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Undated Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Sidney Padrick Mentions Fry Answers Questions

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• [00:00] Opening remarks
• [32:25] Main discussion
• [01:39:03] Follow-up discussion
• [02:27:40] Closing questions

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[00:00] Opening remarks

the story you were told to relate to governor brown i told you that the message he gave me he told me i could only tell it to one person alive on this earth at this time and that was governor brown i could not write it down neither could i give it to an emissary and let him take it up to him he did this unless governor brown has to hear it from the original source like myself

i doubt that he'll even believe me then whether he does it up in fact i don't care if you believe me or not gave me several reasons for not showing the charts to these people public i mean it's

public again and i agreed not to do it and i destroyed them right before them in the fireplace i cut it up and threw them in the fireplace and burned them and i guaranteed them i would not do it didn't mean to throw any more like it governor brown has sometimes tried to develop into a psychic

i don't know whether he did or not i have not read it in this case i mean there's a biography where he did i don't see the outcome of our attack on the unseen objects we're in mid-space

the only direction they like up and down anytime they like any speed they like so what have we got to chase them as i said we want to fight them they come and get us and they don't care if people

directly or indirectly anything about a coming earthquake no i have not this is one thing he did not mention to me and i've been at this a multitude of times by the way that is one of

good space people from other planets if so what planets do the bad ones come from how can we distinguish the good from the bad tell you the sad story of course encountered me they had not

been in my house 10 minutes until they said now mr fabric you're awfully lucky to be alive well you

know of course we've lost a couple of practices where captain mantel was shot down well he's not the only one this is the story they said these people are hostile not those people i encounter

this i have not heard i don't know if anybody has anybody ever heard that before to me until he told me that our craft had been actually taken in to one of these spacecraft over one of the great lakes and they never heard from it or seen it since i didn't know until eric was told me they know for sure this craft was taken aboard

this other craft or at least it disappeared in the vicinity of the other craft now as i say i didn't know this but i have read in the paper where captain mantel was shot down about 1958 or maybe a little earlier i'm not so sure of the year you have craft coming here from another planet are not friendly and i'll say to say that from the standpoint that uh we know undoubtedly there are many shapes and sizes and characters of craft coming here i can

only speak however the one i happen to go aboard i've never gone aboard another i've never even contacted coming close contact with one only the one i happen to go aboard but i am damn satisfied i'll say that time and time again that they are not hostile boy who tells me they are hostile i will disagree with them to the end of it in the time i am satisfied that they would not have told

us if they were hostile i'll pass along a couple of small items here that's the end of the questions please uh mrs has a question she'd like to ask then i'll get back to you people

if i wanted to tell you people what the ministers have asked about these people and what they mentioned that appears in the bible actually they didn't mention anything that i can turn directly to do this about the ministers when they read this one particular phase about me going into

the consultation room i begin to get a multiple of letters from very well-known people throughout the country and they wanted me to repeat for them word for word which i did in all cases 10 times a night and wrote letters to just ministers on this

white of malone because they wanted to hear that again thinking that there was a misquote in the newspaper and there was in several cases exactly as i told all the ministers what this gentleman

told me how they lived to me that ezekiel did come down to him and it was a similar craft that i had

described but to begin with i didn't know that i feared ezekiel though afterwards several passages in the bible i learned i was told several a few days ago on the telephone with uh a gentleman out of new mexico albert turkey what's his name paul veer yeah he read off several and i made notes and i meant to bring them with me tonight and look them up and read them to you out loud but lo and behold i came up and left the glass of things home but my wife was ushering me out trying to get rid of me said you're late now you better go i had a rough day friday that's why so call you something and you'd be the judge i'll tell you how it happened it was not done by man

on this earth and it happened on my front of the beach my car happened to be sitting in this position a gentleman pulled right next to me at about seven o'clock in the evening he thought he got to go home and it would light up the whole countryside in fact the neighbor didn't like it

because it should come out of bed in fact it worked and it owned him when he walked out the door he came back in and said you better come out here and take the a look because my first sight was the two cars sitting there side to side and it raining by the way and my car didn't have a drop of water on it his was dripping wet they had both been sitting there all this time i had pulled in the yard about five o'clock and he pulled in about seven but that is not what he meant and what i was so dumbfounded to see when he walked out and each one was about

two by three years were just as sharp as if you had taken a razor and drawn down that cement and pulled a slab out of it after we got in the yard and started looking at him and wondering how the world he ever got there i knew that he didn't they started covering up she came up there she said why

don't you get your camera take a picture of it well by that time the things were covered up well by the time i got down i got my camera out and they're all set for a flash bulb or whatever the case may be the things are covered up he had not a drop of water on those spots until we got in the yard about a minute later his rest of the next morning he says you know that guy's patterned

there's something wrong with that guy i'm not going to his house again you guys stay away from him he said boy the funniest thing happened there last night i just don't want to talk about it what's so funny telling you if i didn't see it

which would be two months after the incident a ball of fire appeared around my newspaper one morning when i went out to get it's about a minute and it finally disappeared and i picked up a newspaper and went back in the house now i get up at six o'clock every day six o'clock this morning and i got those people i stayed with they got it for seven they said you know where do you get up early for who must be doing it i know we are

not capable of doing this it's thanks to this gentleman if you people dispute this i will get him to write you a letter that somebody read it out aloud to you what he saw when he went to the yard that night if you desire to hear it you might have the same thing to me as a gift in this book

there is a picture of the craft i happen to go aboard or one like it the only picture in here similar to the craft i went aboard was taken in new zealand in 1958 and strangely enough it was taken over about the same kind of terrain it was taken over about the same place as the air force in the world so you're going to look at the picture that you have up there where the incident took place and i will draw the best i can and i'm not an artist bear with me i will draw you the best i

can on the picture or decide the shape of the craft if i happen to go more bear with me one

look like this coming down it probably wasn't quite that high i tried it to the air force was being about 70 feet across and about 30 feet high total and that's a pretty high craft you at 92 o'clock in the morning, believe me. Not exact, just a quick drawing, but just a quick reference. And that picture is in this magazine. If somebody wants to take a look at it, I'll show it to you. I have it marked, but I don't anymore. I have these

actual photographs, however, in my collection of souvenirs. But this is what the crab looked like coming down. And it says here it was taken in January 16, 1958. Photographed by

Eric, I can pronounce his name. It's on page 93 if anyone wishes to come and look at it.

This is what the consultation room looked like. I am very proud of that experience in

particular, and I would like to describe something I saw, if you would like to hear it. I know that the time is almost 11 o'clock, and I've way overgrown my limit, but I will still do it if anyone wishes. Did you have a question about your son? Okay, I'm going to draw the picture of the consultation room and describe what I saw in it. See these colors. And I

have frequently seen these same colors down at LaSalle Beach at sunset time during the summer and winter. And it's a beautiful sight to see. Only God could create something like that. I think

these people put that there just for someone like myself to see. And I enjoyed looking at it. You can decide. Is there any question about this before I go any further and graduate

up to real life? Picture yourself going from birth to the height of intelligence. That

is what I thought about when I was looking. Very clean, pointed feature. I recognize him

as being. The way he conducted himself, the way he presented himself, and the way he left. He was known

enough to be his grandfather. 8 to 5'9", 155 pounds. So just like a military person,

I was a picked crew for coming here. It's the same thing when we pick people to go out

in outer space. We try to pick people about the same height and weight and desires and so on. He has a feeling of great, a person, a greater feeling of security to be with someone that he likes and can do it. And no doubt these people would think about it the same way. During the month of January, I was in the military. I was in the military. I was in the

military in 1916. I came in right through the walls of the house. Working CW tonight. I went down in their room

and, gee, they were both laying back in bed, watching television. CW again. They couldn't

do it. In AC downtown, with a monitor unit on my line, they swore up and down that it was not ringing, but yet the sheriff's department stood there and heard it ring. Telephone man came out and it rang. He figured up and answered it. Nobody on the phone. It went on for two full years. December 19th, one month before this incident took place, and if he was to blame for it.

I have a... in my notes for the next time they can do i wouldn't put it past him that they did this but i want to tell you now my wife was awfully unhappy with mr you know 15 calls and one yes

ma'am but they were real dull you mean uh piercing light do you use their electrify you no i would

say their eyes were a little darker than ours i can't give you a color because i didn't see him that close i only saw him when he faced me when i went in the crash and faced him when i came out only two times instantaneous face in the crash i couldn't because he never looked directly at me

any other questions before we have to sign off to a speaking call we're going to adjourn now

and then those of you who have questions that you want to ask mr patrick uh gather down around here okay morning i'll stay until six o'clock sydney patrick who has come down here from watsonville california to tell us about his

experience and only a year and a half ago he contracted by sydney patrick who has come down here from watsonville california to tell us about his face people old consciousness any further introduction i asked him if he wanted any uh

a flowery introduction or a simple one or a number at all and he said the simpler the better and i still don't know and i still will not say in about two of the fact my wives have been married

then people say well what in the hell were you doing on the beach at two o'clock in the morning

i have been on that beach many times There was nothing unusual. I could be down there tonight. That would be quite a dry pack.

We'd be out. It happened to be one of those nights I got rested and my wife said,

either get up or shut up or do something. I decided to get up. On 1.30, I went out and turned my hand rig on, turned across the dial about a half a dozen times,

[32:25] Main discussion

and this is something very common for hands to do, is scout across the dial until you find somebody you know or you like, and you drum up a conversation, which is commonly called a shoe show. That's Gideon language, by the way. And not finding anyone who I would wish to talk with, I put on a pot of coffee.

Sorry, it hasn't ended yet, so I have to come to that part. Shortly before 2 o'clock, I started to go to the beach. Now, going to the beach, I might tell you, I go through a number of residential areas, about three blocks to be exact,

and the beach was about 1,500 feet from where we were. And I could walk that path day or night, blindfolded, I am certain, because I have walked it many, many times.

It was nothing unusual for me to be out either. However, this one particular night, the dogs didn't choose to go with me. I have two dogs, one larger and one smaller one, and for some unknown reason, they didn't go, and they usually do. There are things about this particular night. One very interesting item I happened to have noticed. I was walking down near the beach, and that was, the night was extremely bright. I couldn't understand why it was so bright to be a totally dark night, no moon. And I'm still not certain why it was this bright. It took place where I owned the beach, as it appeared in the paper.

It took place on the parking lot, a seat from the ocean's edge. It's a little parking lot that's called Manrest of Cape Beach. The states, they own it, but they never do anything about it. And they're turning it over right now to the LaSalle Beach. And they're turning it over right now to the LaSalle Beach. And they're turning it over right now to the LaSalle Beach. So how do you handle with each improvement association for them to assume title to it? I think this is all because they don't want anything to do with Flying Pulsar. Because this is drawn by the crowd down at this particular spot. I happened to be down there for about oh two or three minutes, and it began to appear, I'm gonna stop at this point now, and I'm coming back to this point for a good reason, because there's other factors involved, and you can be the judge about it.

You can say I'm a biggest liar you ever saw. you ever saw, you could say, oh he's the grandest guy I ever saw, you could say anything you like, because I told the air force in the very beginning, I said I know I'm an idiot, I know I'm a liar, you guys can say anything you like, but I know that incident happened. They said how can you be so sure if I was there? They started off by, I'm just about like John Wayne, you know when they

asked him if he was a communist, he said you tell me what a communist is, and I'll tell you whether I am one, I'll tell you if I had one, that's the way it got started. Now the air force was the

first to find out a bunch of characters who left this out, because I told them, like I told everyone else, that I didn't want to be any part of this thing. I would have nothing to do with it. This was something that happened, I was willing to tell them about it word for word, but for some unknown reason the local newspaper got hold of it, and within about three days time, I was receiving about five thousand telephone calls a day, and forty-four, hundred and forty letters a day. They started out like, Mr. Patrick,

question number one, we only have a few questions to ask you, they start at number one, about 150 later they say, thanks, would you answer right away? Needless to say, I still have them in my own drawer about that long, and I still haven't answered them. Things that took place following this, which they did release,

several things showed up which were quite interesting to them, not to me, to clarify this, because I was only repeating what I was told, and I am going to tell you tonight what I was. However, many, many things showed up, and it has things to look at, and wonder just what was meant by it, and why they were said,

and particularly why in the world they were said to me. I think it should have been said to a woman, because I'm not a talker, and my wife can just get over here and talk about this thing? Boy, she should talk all night on it. Let me tell you, she said, you know you shouldn't get involved in this thing, and I said, I know I should, but how can I get out now? The newspapers have gotten me into it. These things that this

gentleman told me, something to me that I have never heard before, which I will tell you during

the main portion of the lecture. There will be a lot of questions about it after the six hours for

Australia, and this will get you home by six o'clock in the morning, but there are a few things

which have been extremely interesting to me. Number one is, we lived in a community that's composed of, about every walk of life you can imagine, it's composed of, I don't know, I don't

know about every known walk of life, and we have a lot of people, or rather we had a lot of people,

of foreign countries living near us at the time. We do not live in this area anymore, I'm going to clarify that too. We now live on the south side of town, because the north side of town said, get rid of it. Well, it wasn't quite the people in the area. I knew about

everybody that moved into this particular place called La Selva Beach, I'd say up to three or four years previous, who lived into the taffy, and I could see them on the streets, and yelled to them, hi Joe, hi John, hi. When this thing came about that I would be the dirtiest rat

in the country, and nobody would ever speak to me again, I was really ashamed of it. About three or

four days later, I began to change my mind, because people that had moved into the area, of whom I had never met, came and knocked on my door, and said, Mr. Patrick, that's a wonderful thing to happen. How did you ever get involved in it? The next time they come, would you call me? And I began to stand there and scratch my head, well, how come? Why do people want to get interested in this thing? Why do they want to get involved in it? I soon learned why they did. I was very dumb in this subject. There were people who knew a lot more about it than I did.

There's one other reason why I don't know why these people picked on me. Now, let's emphasize on that a little bit. When it took place, I was only a casual acquaintance with the subject of UFOs.

Just about what you would call normal for anyone reading the daily newspapers, and never picking up a magazine to read it. I had read accounts in the newspapers, but that was instead of it. I will tell you, I never doubted the fact that these people who were reporting,

anybody of us, I wondered what in the world they're seeing. I believed that all of them were liars, or idiots, or people that didn't know what they were talking about.

I couldn't see that they should be disputed. In fact, they run off with marks. I believe that

these things were taking place, and people are just making it up from nothing. This could be one reason I happened to go aboard it. This is further more what was the fact that I say religion, but there is no such thing as spiritualism because it affects everyone.

Religion only affects me. There's a person in this house that would say we do not have a creator. I don't think there's a person in this house that would say we're the only people in this universe, and say there's nothing out there. We'll disagree with you tonight. You can go ahead and disagree, and I'll let you win the argument, but I'm right. I know there's people out there. I didn't know just how it was going to affect my family.

They wanted to get rid of me and get rid of me fast. Do anything possible to get out from under this, and I said no. You can't run from it. People started coming forward, like ministers and scientists, radio and newspapers, and expressing their interest in it.

My family began to realize that there was more to this than what we realized. In 1915 and 1913,

all three very intelligent, good-looking fellows. There's no denying about that, as you can well hear from my mom with the gag.

It's not turning out to be a gag. It's not really funny. Because there's more to it than I think anyone in this audience can realize. And there's going to be more to come. I think it's going to last for many, many years. I learned through reading these 200 books, or if you wish to call it that. They have existed for years and years and years. They've existed long before the Bible. The Bible was written. I've read several passages in the Bible that we could classify as slide-closers. Read Ezekiel number one, for instance. That was one of the first I happened to come in contact with. Ministers would begin to call up and read passages, and they'd say, well, Sid, or Mr. Patrick, or whatever they called me. They called me everything you could think of. They said they'd turn over to a page and start reading. And sure enough, just like my incidents, Ezekiel described his as a wheel within a wheel, and this is exactly what I said appeared before me.

Now, I don't profess to be equal to Ezekiel. Don't get me wrong. As I told Mrs. Forrester earlier, in me getting involved in this, it had no effect on my physical life or my health or my mental attitude. I didn't feel that this meant anything to me that would place me in a position higher than anybody else. I don't think so, and I will never take that attitude. I feel just as meek as anyone in this audience tonight, and I will continue to feel that way about it, even if I have another encounter which I'm looking forward to. Okay, let's get off that subject for a while. People have asked, what are these people? What are they, and who are they? If they're angels, if they're robots, or just who in the world are they? Like dear, or said Mr. Patrick, what were those things? And they talked to me.

That's perfect. In form, features, characters, I am. In fact, I would say more so. Was that any reason to make them think they weren't robots? Back to their planet rhythm,

I'd call my wife and say, honey, goodbye. And I'll say, that's how afraid you should be.

There is no reason whatever we should ever say these people have harmed anyone on this earth.

Excuse me if I show a little lean over this way because I hurt my leg four months ago, and I'm still not over it. Irritating to stand on for a length of period of time. If I fall, somebody's going to pick me up. At no time have I ever called this craft a flying saucer.

Misquoted me at saying it. Something that we applied because it's an unidentified flying object. And furthermore, it looked like an inverted saucer. Now, mine didn't look like a flying saucer. Well, if you call it a flying saucer, just what do you call it? I says I call it a spaceship. You call it a spaceship. And when you drop me off, you went back to the sky. And I called it. You know, they what? They said there's something in it. Well, frankly, I don't know what you can call it. So they would often ever call this.

If that were inverted and had wings on it, it would be similar to that. Now, I do have a photograph of the craft I happen to go aboard. So in the second session, I will draw you a picture, or neither am I a draft, but I'll get to what the craft looked like both inside and out, word for word.

They said, how long did you say you were aboard that craft? I said two hours. How do you know it was two hours? I says because I got on at 2 o'clock and I got off at 4 o'clock. I'm not sure of the time. I says because I was down at the beach at 2 o'clock. And I disappeared. And I came back. And when I got back in the house, it was five minutes after 4. I says, you see, did you fall asleep? I says, no, I don't think I did. And I know darn well I didn't. Because I got out of that.

And I'll tell you a few things a gentleman said to me. And the only reason I knew it was in the area was because I heard an unusual sound

that I could not play through with any craft that I had ever heard. And it didn't even dawn on me that it might be such a thing as a flying saucer. I beg your pardon to say that. It didn't even come into my mind that it could be such a thing. And it wouldn't the next time if I just glanced up and saw it. But if I was walking along and glanced up and saw it, I wouldn't stop and go back and look again the next time. I wouldn't do like I did the first time. When this craft was coming down, the gentleman who I spoke to inside, presumably the same one, started talking to me. Because he saw, it must have been that I was very frightened. And believe me, at 2 o'clock in the morning, out there alone, in the wintertime, with no light visible in the area, you'd be frightened, too. So when I started running up the bank, which I had just come down, he said to me, do not be frightened. And I thought so. Then he came on down and invited me aboard.

Now, before I went aboard the craft, I noticed one thing in particular. And that was that monster size of that blasted thing. Me standing beside it, I said, what is that? It was big. It was ugly. I couldn't see what was there. I was curious. I had to go inside, curious. I couldn't visualize me standing back here and that voice coming from that craft and me walking up to it. And not knowing what was inside the force was coming from it. I just had to take that chance. Now, as I got inside the craft, there was one interesting thing that took place. And the air force was still scratching their head, wondering why this happened. Just as I stepped inside, the door back of me slammed shut. That was not a very good feeling, because I was alone in a room about 6 by 17 in size.

And just as that door slammed shut, the lights in that one particular room got so bright that I could not see for about one minute. And then they repeated back to their normal brilliance. And the voice said, you may enter. A door in front of me opened, and I walked forward. But stand slow, please.

The second door hit, and I couldn't walk anyway.

I happened to glance to my right, just as I was standing here, and looked that way, alert to the gentleman. That impression has never left my mind. I knew exactly what that gentleman looked like when he looked at me. He only said one thing. He said, you may follow me. There again, he did not order me to follow him. He said, you may follow me. He turned around and went back into a room. He said, you may stand on your right. He told me to stand on his right. I didn't say a thing for 10 minutes.

Now, let me pour out these things out, because they're of interest.

People have said, why didn't you ask this question? Why didn't you ask that question? The first time, you don't give a darn what that other guy thinks. You worry about yourself. This situation, how are you going to get out of it? I am sure you do the same thing for the first time. I couldn't be concerned about why they don't have automobiles, or why they don't have dogs or cats aboard. I didn't even think about it. To me, and to him being there, and I will tell you the 23 questions I asked the gentleman, he would not answer for me.

Mainly because when I stood on his right, he said, you may ask any questions you like. But you know what he did? He stopped. He didn't say he was going to answer them. So I began to wonder, well, now what does the chap mean? I like what he didn't say he was going to answer. He said, you may ask any questions you like. You can speak any language. But I am the only person on this path who can speak your language. Now, just what he meant by that, I don't know. It is interpreted that he meant this. That he meant that he could speak my language as I would understand, because I am not a scientist. I am not a religious leader. Neither am I a professor. Neither am I a lecturer. Anyway, in standing there and looking at the gentleman, let me point this out.

I saw him face to face when I went aboard the craft. And I saw him face to face, likewise, when I left. But no other time during the two-hour encounter did I look at him straight face to face. Mainly because I did what he said to me. When he was beside him, I tried to size him up, look at him, you know, sort of off like this, and kept eyeing him over.

And he saw, he said, you may not touch anything on this craft without my permission. And you know something? I didn't either. He said, you may not. He did not say, don't touch anything on this craft without my permission. I was standing there, I'd say, seven or eight minutes, I don't know, maybe ten minutes. I finally got up nerve enough to ask him a couple of real silly, insignificant questions. And I asked him one. Who are you, sir? What are you doing here? Real meek-like. And believe me, I felt meek. He said, we're humans, just like you. Now this turned out to be real interesting. I want everyone to... He did not say this was his name. He said, you may call me Zeno. So what do I do when I get off the craft? I wrote his name out here, Z-E-N-O. A month later, someplace on the east coast, wrote me and she said, dear Mr. Pat, I have some good news for you. You do not spell Zeno, Z-E-N-O. X-E-N-O. And please look it up in the dictionary,

because it's in our standard American dictionary, and you'll be surprised what it means. I did, and my wife had to put me... Know what that word means.

And I hope everyone looks it up when you get home. There is quite a... There's another thing to this place about that name, too, is that, you know, which he called himself, or he said I could call him. Now, mind you, he did not say this was his name. He merely said, I could call him this. When I looked it up, it says it means stranger or foreigner, which he absolutely was to me. Therefore, I didn't think he was from Missouri. And I still don't think he was from Missouri. Going through the... Did they talk to each other? There were eight people on that craft, other than himself. One of them happened to be a woman. Now, I know you women are supposed to say, well, she's pretty. Well, he told me...

He said that he was the only one on that craft. He was the only one on the craft who could speak my language. And at this time, I asked him if there were others aboard the craft. He said, yes, there are eight others. And I said, he said, well, am I going to get to see them? Yes, you will. And he took his own sweet time about taking me around to see them, too. I could tell you this. I did not advance except one time to see something. And then when I did, he wouldn't let me see it. When he walked up to the instrument panel... Oh, one other feature about him going to his room. This was something, too. He at no time called himself the captain or the master of the craft. He merely told me when I got in this room with him that this was his room. And he stopped there. This room is where we stayed the major portion of the two hours. I would say it didn't take us over 30 minutes to go throughout the craft. And the hour and a half has been...

Now, you might stand here or sit here and say, well, how in the world could you only ask him 23 questions or 25 questions in two hours' time?

The reason why, every question I asked this gentleman, he took his own sweet time about answering.

I don't care how small it was, what it meant. He took about 30 seconds before he would answer. This is one thing the Air Force asked about. Well, why did you do that? I don't know. I only was there. I didn't ask him why he did this. Do you like the nose?

I love it. And then you have bona fide food. Because you asked for something to bring back, which I didn't. This is where NICEF told me I was wrong. I should have asked him for something, but I didn't think about asking the gentleman for something. Have you got something I can take home and take back with me tonight so I'll tell the people I was down here? No, no. You know, this is one thing I can't understand about people. They say, well, why don't you bring something back? From the time I've had three boys, and I told you, they're really fine boys, I have told them, don't take something that belongs to somebody else.

Keep their hands off of other people's merchandise. Don't destroy that belongs to somebody else. I felt that same thing aboard his craft. I felt that if he wanted me to have something, he needed to give it to me. However, I'll ask him about this the next time that I have an earring or one of those nose rings or something. He didn't wear them, but I'll ask him. Maybe I'll ask the girl he told me, but some quite frightened.

I'll tell you, just the way he said it changed it, even though I've been asked to change one word he said, because I remember it word for word, right down the line, everything that gentleman said to me.

And as we all know, you can change a couple of words around, and it really distorts it. This is why I repeat him word for word, and I don't want it quoted any other way. He told me they were from a planet in back of a planet, which we observed. But he said we do not observe them. Now, mind you, he didn't say we couldn't observe it. He merely said we didn't. Now, this could mean that we will observe them in the future. Our facilities at present might not be possible, might not be capable of observing them. And I begin to ask him questions, well, how far is your planet from here? At this time, he told me that they do not measure distance and time by days and hours. But rather in terms of light. And when I said, well, how many lights are you from us? He said there are several. He didn't say how many of those. And I asked him at this point to clarify what he meant by a light term compared with our day if he would not do it.

That's one of the two questions he wouldn't answer. The other one I might tell you right now is the one on the power source. Because he told me in some form or some reasonable sense what they use for power. And I said, well, now, that didn't mean a thing to me. That didn't mean a thing to me. Can you clarify it? And you know what? He was very silent. He didn't clarify it. Anyway, he asked me, gentlemen, several questions. I asked him if they ate, if they did like we do. And he said, yes, in their own way. He said they don't sleep, but they rest for long periods of time. He said they do eat, however, in their own way. Now, what he meant by that, I don't know. He used that expression several times, incidentally, in their own way.

But you can see, after he told you, his own way of thinking about you is only to just sit down and think and think. How do you think then? He started at that moment of instance me, but you can see that I've 2000, no, my complete cat,'m actually, so, say, you can have a little group or do you make different elasticity of mine for one right and then make another nesteas or two. Anyway, it doesn't make any sense to me which one of these person here is saying, God, please thank you for giving life. I do love you, both of you. Thank you for coming here. No, no, no. The other point. Watch what I'm going to say. Wisely? were to them from another craft and he showed me the other craft he called it their navigation craft and when he showed it to me i could i could be sure of one thing it was very large

i could be sure of another and that was it was a long ways away reason number one is i told you it was very clear when i went down to the beach when he showed me this craft it

appeared to be in a real deep haze also in sunlight and this must have been around 2 30 in the morning on january 30th i imagine the craft had to be at least a couple thousand miles to see it in sunlight and i have been told by supposed authorities that these crafts get around seven thousand eight thousand feet long and i wouldn't doubt it i wouldn't doubt that his was that long for instance the scientist told me that he knows he knows for sure of people have driven these crafts over three miles long these uh cigar shaped crafts and i do not doubt that the least fits and i just about confirmed that when i say that craft was awfully high and awfully big and looking at that craft he told me one interesting thing first of all he showed it to me through our little aperture up on the wall which appeared to be some kind of a lens i didn't say it was a lens no i said it appeared to be and look at it was definitely three dimensions it was not a screen i could be sure of

that i said how far away is that craft and he said it's a great distance away i asked him how many people were on he would not tell me he said there are a large number but he wouldn't tell me the specific number and i said well i guess if we'll go aboard that craft he said no and he meant no to be so specific with me because i asked him little simple things about

how old are you he didn't say a word i don't think he told me for one reason that is that they

all look real young not over 25 and i don't i would say that 25 would be very young to them but

comparing their age with ours i'd say they were much older than that although they didn't look at me and i'll tell you why when i get to this point it doesn't tell you one thing i'm only telling you from memory see i don't use notes in this because uh i know exactly what he said from time to time and i would chip over some of the thoughts i know these people are going to ask questions and i'll mention in the second portion no to me but i say about 20 minutes after i was born this class he told me we had moved so i'm standing here we'll where are we then if we move because i didn't see any movements

and he said we were parked up on a hillside used by a large trailer it was not used in the

wintertime and he said we should not be seen from here and he told me i could go out a few minutes later and i did about 3 30 in the morning but not until after one particular incident which i'll tell you about skip some of the questions because i run short on time if i don't and we'll probably get into them in the second portion because you people are going to ask questions now he had already told me he was going to show me the craft and show me the other people i know there's several very interesting things about it one the lighting first of all came right through the ceiling right through the walls but none from

the floor i saw some of the most beautiful colors i have ever seen in all my life from black to the brightest red and the brightest orange and the prettiest white i have ever seen and i'd like to live this again did not have legs they were built right into the wall part of the wall the carpet

on the floor which i didn't call it a carpet i merely indicated it's a carpet and it felt real beautiful and walking down the hallways and their rooms every room incidentally had the same kind of material except the carpet and the carpet had the same kind of material except the carpet also a patient room, which I'll tell you about a little later. It was very soft and resilient light, very easy to walk on, and you could not see a shadow because of the lighting they had. His room was laden with instruments, and at one time we went up and looked at the instruments, and none of them were lit, and I couldn't understand why they weren't, and he told me that they were lit only when in use. I could draw you all kinds of pictures of instruments, but I've been told I shouldn't do it. He said, you guys might want to design something like it, and I'm sure you could, and I said,

if I wanted to. In talking to him, going down to the craft, I asked him, how do they navigate this particular craft, and he said, we don't navigate it. So I stopped and I said, well, tell me, how did you find your way around? He had already told me that the speed was limited only by the speed at which they could transfer the energy source, and I said, well, how do you navigate it? He said, we don't. He said, they do, meaning that other craft, which he called an aggregation craft, and I got the bright idea and said, well, how do you find your way through space, traveling so fast? And it was routine. He told me one interesting thing. The Air Force questioned me for about two nights on it. Just what, it was a planet. I'll tell you, just the way he said it. He said, every planet, he specifically said planet. Separate and distinct means of identification, yours and not the magnetic pole. That's the way he said it, yours and magnetic pole.

Now, let me tell you one thing about this magnetic pole. Anyone who's ever dealt with radio in this room can verify the fact that radio waves go continuously out of space, and it's merely a magnetic wave. If we did not have this magnetism, that radio would be limited in distance, probably 10 or 15, maybe less. But because of this magnetism, it is unlimited. If it were not, then we could have not gotten those pictures back from Mars last July. And I happen to have 22 of those pictures. I wish I had remembered to bring them down and show them to you people. I have them hot off the press down at JPL. They were sent to me as a congratulatory thing, and I've never since figured out just what they meant, congratulatory. I'm talking about this thing or not. But anyway, I happen to get them. I've been told recently they took around 55 pictures, but only 22 were released for public use. Now, this I cannot verify.

I can only tell you from what I've heard. Why they would not release the others, I haven't the least idea. And I didn't question them on it. I am one not to question people if I think they're telling the truth. But I'm right.

This thing was rounded off, edges all rounded off beautifully, every seat exactly the same,

which I drew at the right-hand side when I first got in the craft. All seats were on the right-hand side of the door. When we got around and went around the other side of the craft, they appeared on the left-hand side of the door. So I could only assume by this that the doorway which I went into happened to be the front of the craft. I'm not so sure. It could have been the rear as far as I know, but I knew the doors switched, I mean the chairs switched positions when we got on the other side. The bottom floor was arranged considerably different than the second floor I went on. Now, let me mention this, too. I said the second floor. That is why that craft had three floors, although I only went on two. In this gentleman's room, I went in two more on his side, went down a hallway and went into one of the little rooms they call the relaxation room. I went in two more, and then I went into the little elevator room and went upstairs.

That made five, six rooms on the bottom floor that I went into.

Which included the consultation room, which was the most wonderful experience I've ever had. Now, going down through the craft. Every time we would go to a door and start in a room where it was occupied, it would open immediately as we got inside, as if it were fully automatic.

People working there acted like they were so darn unconcerned about me being there, they'd look around and just pay no attention, go right back to whatever they were doing. And I'm standing here, well, can't they talk?

Okay, we got down.

We went into the first room that was occupied. Then we went into the second one that was almost identical, between the rooms going from one to another. The instruments were placed a little bit different, and some of them had very few instruments, some had many. This I don't know why, but it appeared. And I didn't ask the gentleman how come this showed up. When we came into this little room, he called it one of the relaxation rooms, and it had a bed in it, believe it or not. But strangely enough, that bed only had one leg to it. So I looked at it, and it looked to me like it was something a psychiatrist would use. I've never visited a psychiatrist, but I was sitting there thinking that would be a marvelous thing for a psychiatrist to have. No legs to get in his way down there. This gentleman explained to me that they only relax, that they did not sleep, and this, I don't know why, he just told me this. We left this little room and went down the hallway and came to another room that was

full of instruments. This was the third room, which made the third occupied room on the bottom floor. Then the fourth room that we came to, that was occupied on the lower floor, turned out to be a lot different. It had some kind of computers in it. He put his hand out like that, and he meant, don't go any further that way. And you know something? I didn't. I obeyed him. Now going down through this room, while I was in this room, I'd say within the first 30 minutes, I was 25 years old.

Yet I knew so little about him. I knew so little about his past. I knew so little about what in the world I was doing on that planet. I couldn't help but think that someday I would know why I happened to go aboard that thing and who these people really are. But we left this particular room and went into a room he said was an elevator room. And just as we went inside, a real strange thing took place. And that was, he reached up and opened a little cabinet. He reached up and pulled down. He said, this is part of our food supply. And he didn't even give me a chance to look at it and taste it. It was real fast. He stuck it back up there and the door closed. Now there is one time I could have tasted something had I known nightly everyone had proved that I went aboard that craft. The next time, I will ask for it. Now that little package appeared to be about the size of a packed cigarette. Now I don't smoke, but I know what the size of a pack is.

He leaned up against the wall and he said, you may stand here with me. And I can stand here and tell you that if he hadn't put me on this elevator and said we were going up, brother, I would have never known an elevator was in that floor. I stood up against the wall with him and that thing began to rise and I stood there in utter shock and amazement. That floor just started to come right up and we went up through the next room. But I could not see where it matched in the floor until it started coming up. Now I've been asked if there was a glass around it. I don't think so. I don't recall it. I just stood there with the chap. So we went up on the next floor. We took off and went right again. By the way, we went from right to left in all cases. Whenever he turned, he would always turn to the left and I'd go with him. Just like you walk your wife down the street when she wants to look at her new pet hanging

out in the window. Now, Gordon, who happened to be another one of the relaxation rooms, and they had something

in them that I wanted to question him, but I forgot to. Until I got off the craft and he was gone and then it was too late. That's the only thing I didn't know what I had seen. I had no idea what they were. Now, going into the next room, the occupied room we had come across, it was just about

like the one down below it, and I say below it because I think it was just about directly above. We went into the sixth room, which was occupied. Now, up through these six rooms, I told you that going into them, the door opened as we

approached. As we got inside, the door immediately slammed shut. I could hear the doors opening and closing, just like you open and close doors here, except they weren't quite as loud, but I knew they were opening and closing. Now, when we left the sixth room, a strange incident took place, and I'll never forget it. As we left, he said, we're going to visit our consultation room. So I immediately stopped and I thought, well, what does he mean, consultation room? But he didn't say it. He said, we're going to visit our consultation room. We're here to discuss this. We're here to discuss the comments. He said, we're going to talk about the questions. Said, okay, I'll go ahead and begin, and I said, no, I'll leave it at that. And he said, well, this is the last time I'll do it. I said, no, I'll come back here and do it. He said, until you basically leave this room, this is a more ample space to talk about your concerns, your concerns, and our concerns.

I went ahead and began the discussion room, and he said, wait until you get inside. Well, he went ahead and said, well, come with us, and we'll talk about the questions we'll talk about. He said, well, we'll be right back. And so, we finished. I didn't ask questions. when we got to it we stopped however the door did not open immediately as they had in all of the door

face the face with it instead of not oh and the door opened inside that room

i will describe it to you later if you wish to hear it but i cannot now because it takes the drawing to describe it but going inside the room the door closed back of us but the door did not close as fast as those others did now up until this time this gentleman had not offered me a seat and neither had any of those people been sitting down they had all been standing working presumably working inside this room he offered me a seat now on my left appeared a chair on my right

appeared a chair and on my right over against the wall appeared to a chair and over on my left appeared three that made and then the stool out in front of me which was near the what i call the altar it made the night chair so this would represent nine people aboard that craft and he told me there were eight others so i went along with it inside the room i did decide to sit down to my right which was

the nearest chair i just set their cell over here but sitting in it so when i stood back up next to

him i thought we were about ready to go this incident's ever taken place in my 45 years of life up to that time we weren't ready to go i'm going to tell you what this gentleman told me words words first of all he said would you like to pay your respect to the supreme deity when he said this i could tell you now i didn't feel that high i didn't even feel i existed i said what did he mean by supreme deity i couldn't visualize just what he meant

because from the time i was born my mother always said supreme deity she never met supreme beings

i have always thought this because deity means a little more than being to me i know that's why i'm going to tell you at this time kneeling down the first time i have ever been touched by the hand

greater than man stood next to the gentleman and i still thought we were ready to go no we weren't

ready yet because i had asked him if they lived like we did he said yes in our own way but i will tell you later this is where the gentleman chose to tell me now some of you are going to want to repeat and want me to repeat this or want to write it down you can if you wish i will repeat it for you slowly he started out by saying as you know it please slowly because i see that some will do which

should i stop for a moment where you can't say and i'll continue with it i think it only limits

i got two hours to go because you have to turn it over let me know when you think i'll go see what

the gentleman told me now if you want to argue about some degree and try to figure out just what

he meant but he started out by saying i say again as you know it we have no sickness we have no

fight we have no police force we have no police force we have no police force we have no police force we have no police force we have no police force we have no school he followed this by saying our young are taught at a very early age to do a job which they do very well

we have no money and he finished it off by saying we live as one now he did not say we live in the

one he married us said we live as one i have been misquoted on that theater that last what the gentleman said if you wish i will say it again because i think it's very essential to us He started out by saying, as you know it, we have no sickness, we have no violence.

Someone told me, I'm sure there will be a lot of questions about it afterwards,

and this will get you home by six o'clock in the morning for breakfast. Now, I might point out a few things which have been extremely interesting to me. We live in a community that's composed of about every walk of life you can imagine.

It's composed about every known walk of life and every color of life. We have a lot of people, or rather we have a lot of people, of foreign countries living near us at the time. We do not live in this area anymore, I better clarify that for you. We now live on the south side of town because the north side of town said, get rid of it! Well, it wasn't quite as bad, for one reason. I knew a lot of people in the area. I knew about everybody that moved into this particular place called La Selva Beach. I'd say up to three or four years previously lived into the town. And I could see them on the street and yell to them, hi Joe, hi John, whatever the case may be. And I felt when this thing came about that I would be the dirtiest rat in this country and nobody would ever speak to me again. And I was really ashamed of it. About three or four days later I began to change my mind because people that had moved into the area, of whom I had never met,

came and knocked on my door. And said, Mr. Patrick, that's a wonderful thing to happen. How did you ever get involved in it? The next time they come, would you call me? And I began to stand there and scratch my head. Well, why do people want to get interested in this thing? Why do they want to get involved in it? I soon learned why they did. I learned that I was very dumb in this subject. And there were a lot of people who knew a lot more about it than I did. There's one other reason why I did it. There's one other reason why I don't know why these people picked on me. Now, let's emphasize on that a little bit. Before this took place, I was only a casual acquaintance with the subject of UFOs. Just about what you would call normal for anyone reading the daily newspapers and never picking up a magazine to read it. I had read accounts in the newspapers, but that wasn't good enough. I will tell you this. I doubted the fact that these crafts existed.

I thought that these people who were reporting incidences, like reliable aircraft officers or anybody of a reliable nature or a reliable position,

I thought that they were seeing something when I wondered what in the world they're seeing. I couldn't believe that all of them were liars or idiots or people that didn't know what they were talking about. I couldn't see that they should be disputed. In fact, they run off the mark. I run off the streets for their reported sightings. I couldn't believe that these things were taking place and people were just making it up from nothing. I just couldn't go along with it. This could be one reason I happen to go boring. As I say, I don't really know. One thing that was introduced in this, this is furthermore why I don't know why I happen to be involved, was the fact that spiritualism came into it. I don't like to say religion. Because I've always felt that there is no such thing as religion. I like to say spiritualism because it affects everyone. Religion only affects a few. I don't think there's a person in this house that would say we do not have a theater.

I don't think there's a person in this house that would say we are the only people in this universe and say there's nothing out there. If there is, I will disagree with you tonight. You can go ahead and disagree with me. And I'll let you win the argument. But I'm right. I know there's people out there. Going into this a little further. I didn't know just how it was going to affect my family. And I found out real fast. They wanted to get rid of me and get rid of me fast. They wanted to move, do anything possible to get out from under there. And I said, no. You can't run from it. It's already happened. Why try to hide now? People started coming forward, like ministers and scientists, and expressing their interest in it. My family began to realize that there was more to this than what we realized.

In 1750, I was real proud of my three boys and my wife.

And there's no denying about that, as you can well hear by my expression.

They said, we'll go along with the gag. It's not turning out to be a gag. It's not really funny.

Because there's more to it than I think anyone in this audience can realize. And there's going to be more to come. I think it's going to last for many, many years. I learned through reading, if you wish to call it that, they have existed for years and years and years. They've existed long before the Bible was written. I've read several passages in the Bible that we could classify as flying saucers. Read Ezekiel number one, for instance. That was one of the first I happened to come in contact with. Ministers would begin to call up and read passages, and they'd say, well, Sid, or Mr. Patrick, or whatever they called me. They called me everything but the thing now. They said, they'd turn over to a page, and they'd say, they'd turn over to a page and start reading. And sure enough, just like my incident, Ezekiel described his as a wheel within a wheel. And this is exactly what I said appeared before me. Now, I don't profess to be equal to Ezekiel, don't get me wrong.

As I told Mr. Forrester earlier, in me getting involved in this, it had no effect on my physical life or my health or my mental attitude, I guess. I didn't feel that this meant anything to me that would place me in a position higher than anybody else. I don't think so, and I will never take that attitude. I feel just as meek as anyone in this audience tonight, and I will continue to feel that way about it, even if I have another encounter which I'm looking forward to. What are these people? What are they, and who are they?

And if they're angels, if they're robots, or just who in the world are they? Like dear, or said Mr. Patrick, what were those things? You see, sure, they weren't robots.

And they talked to me. Not they, I mean he did.

He was just as perfect a character as I am. In fact, I would say more so. Is that any reason to make you think they weren't robots?

They looked like they had skin like us, and their clothing did everything I could do.

They had the nerve, mind you, to turn around and say, this Earth, and somebody was just fooling you.

This is what I said to them. Now, I thought that was a ridiculous question, because I said, in all my 45 years, I've never seen a craft come down out of the sky and come down here and do what it did. And weave like it did. Pick me up and take me for a ride, and bring me back. And me not know we moved. I said, that is folks. So they said, well, you still can't be sure that it's not a craft from this Earth. And I said, I can be darned sure. I've never seen anything like it before. And furthermore, you blabbermouth. If you had anything like this, I'm sure you couldn't keep it secret. That's what I told them. They don't tell them that. There is one thing I agreed to do, however, with the Air Force, and this was about five months ago. They asked me to quit showing the charts I had, and they gave me about 102 reasons why, and I agreed not to show them anymore. One of them was the fact they were fighting their people.

Now, let me tell you this. By these people coming here, I can assure you, you have absolutely no fear, or you shouldn't have any. I don't know if you've got any or not, but you shouldn't. Number one, they came here totally unarmed. That was the very first thing they pointed out to me. They are friendly. They are humans, just like you and me. They have no respect for people who fight. They told me this. And believe me, I had no intention to fight them, and I won't the next time. They don't even carry weapons in coming here, and they told me why they don't carry weapons.

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They don't need them, because we couldn't catch them in the first place. There's one thing, one way to look at this. He said, if you people want to fight us, come and get us. So, number one, where are they? And how are we going to get there? This is why I say you have no fear at all. If they wanted to do anything to us, I'm sure they have the capability and the facilities for doing it long ago. This you can be sure of. Now, let me point out this, too. When this craft was approaching, this gentleman assured me of no harm. First of all, he invited me aboard. Secondly, he assured me of no harm. I had no reason to doubt him. I don't doubt anyone anyway until I prove him guilty. You know, the military always has told me this. A man is never guilty until proven, so he's always innocent. Well, why do you keep him in jail for? If he's not guilty, why would he be in jail? Wait until he's proven guilty. They said, well, no, no, he's taken a chance.

Well, I didn't feel I was taking too much of a chance with these people. He told me this twice. Because at no time did he order me to do anything. It was always by an invitation. This is one thing I will never remember. He never told me once what I had to do. He always treated it by saying, you may. Like when he invited me aboard the craft, he said, you may come aboard. And then he said, we assure you of no harm. He told me this twice. I had already disappeared up in the hillside, but I came back to take a further look. I don't know why. My wife doesn't either. The next time, however, I won't run from him. As a matter of fact, the next time he comes down, I'll be waiting for him. But in a little different position. I'll have five cameras with me. I'll have four or five tape recorders. And I'll have about a hundred rolls of film. And enough food to last me about two months. And I'll go come on vacation with them.

Now this is how afraid I am of them. If they were to come in tonight and ask me to go back to their planet with them, I'd call my wife and say, honey, goodbye. That's how afraid I am of them. And that's how afraid you should be. There is no least as whatever we should ever say these people have on me when on this earth. Excuse me if I show a little leaning over this way because I hurt my leg four months ago and I'm still not over it. So it's somewhat irritating to stand on for a length of period of time. If I fall, somebody should pick me up. She will. Ah. Anyway, getting back to the beginning. At no time have I ever called this craft a flying saucer. This is one thing that this paper misquoted me as saying. Flying saucer is something that we applied because it's an unidentified flying object. Mainly and furthermore it looks like an inverted saucer. Now mine didn't look like a flying saucer. The Air Force said, well, if you'll call it a flying saucer, just what do you call it?

I said I'd call it a spacecraft. He called it a spacecraft after they came out of the sky. And when he dropped me off, he went back to the sky. What else can I call it? You know what they said, there's an instructor in it. I don't know what you can call it. So they would often accept it. So until this day I have never called this a flying saucer and I will not. When I recited this incident to them. See the part of that mic? If that were inverted and had wings on it, it would be too heavy. Now I do have a photograph of the craft I happened to go aboard. So in this second question I will draw you pictures. I don't draw pictures. Neither am I an artist. Or neither am I a draft. But I can draw you a rough picture of what the craft looked like both inside and out. There was another thing the airport asked when I recited this incident to them word for word. They said how long did you say you were aboard that craft?

I said two hours. How do you know it was two hours? I said because I got on at two o'clock and I got off at four o'clock. Why are you so sure of the time? I said because I was down at the beach at two o'clock. And I disappeared. And I came back. And when I got back in the house, it was five minutes. And the only reason I knew it was in the air... And it takes me five minutes to walk back to your seat. Well, it's because I heard an unusual sound that I could not... Did you fall asleep? I said no. I don't think I did. It didn't even dawn on me that it might be such a thing as a... And I knew darn well I didn't. Because I got out of that craft and walked around. And I'll tell you exactly how that happened. Okay, now I'm going to tell you just how this incident took place. And tell you a few things a gentleman said. He said to me... The craft came down. And the only reason I knew it was in the air... Was because I heard an unusual sound.

And I could not face it with any craft that I had ever heard. And it didn't even dawn on me that it might be such a thing as a flying saucer. I beg your pardon to think that. It didn't even come into my mind that it could be such a thing. And it wouldn't the next time... If I just glanced up and saw it. But if I was walking along and glanced up and saw it. I'd stop and go back and look again. Before I went aboard the craft, I noticed one thing. I wouldn't do like I did the first time. And that was a monstrous sight that I'd never seen. When this craft was coming down, the gentleman who I spoke to inside... Me standing beside it, I said, what's that? Started talking to me. It was big. Oh, I must have seen it. I was very frightened. I believe it was two o'clock in the morning. I didn't have to go inside to see what was there. In the wintertime, with no light visible in the air, you'd be frightened. I hadn't seen anything.

Who in the world would do that kind of thing? So when I started running up the fence, which I just turned down. He said to me, do not be frightened. We are not frightened. Then he came on down and invited me aboard. I just had to take that stand. Now, before I went aboard the craft, I noticed one thing in particular. And that was a monstrous sight for that plastic thing. Me standing beside it, I said, what is that? It was big, but ugly. I couldn't stand the sight of it. I just had to go inside to see what was there. I was curious. I had to go inside, curious. Who in the world would do that kind of thing? I could visualize it. I could hear that voice coming from that craft. And me walking up to it. And not only walking up to it, but the voice was coming from it. I just had to take that stand. Now, as I got inside the craft, there was one interesting thing that took place. And Eric was still scratching his head.

Well, anyway, I walked very slow. And just as I got inside the second door, it slammed shut. So here I'm in a craft, wondering what am I doing in this thing? And wondering how I got there. The lighting there, I couldn't go any further when the door slammed shut because I was so frightened I couldn't walk anyway. I happened to glance to my right. Just as I was standing here. Just as I was standing here and looked that way. And there stood a gentleman. Now, I want to tell you, this first impression has never left my mind. I knew exactly what that gentleman looked like when he looked at me. He only said one thing. He says, you may follow me. There again, he did not order me to follow him. He says, you may follow me. And just as I got inside the second door, it slammed shut. He turned around and went back into a room. I followed him just as he said. He says, you may stand on my right. What am I doing in this thing?

And wondering how I got there. And wondering how I got there. I got in there. I was so scared. I couldn't go any further when the door slammed shut because I was so frightened I couldn't walk anyway. I didn't say a thing for ten minutes. I happened to glance to my right. Just as I was standing here and looked that way. And there stood a gentleman. Now, I want to tell you, this first impression has never left my mind. I knew exactly what that gentleman looked like when he looked at me. He only said one thing. He says, you may follow me. There again, he did not order me to follow him. He says, you may follow me. For your first time, you don't give a darn what that other guy thinks. You worry about yourself. He turned around and went back into a room. How are you going to handle this situation? How are you going to get out of it? He says, you may stand on my right. That's what I was worrying about. Don't believe me, I am sure you do the same thing for the first time.

I got in there. I couldn't be concerned about why they don't have all of you. Why they don't have dogs or cats aboard. I didn't say a thing for ten minutes. I didn't even think about it. I asked questions I thought were common to me. That only left me an hour and fifty minutes. And to him being there. And I will tell you the twenty-three questions I asked everyone that he answered. I asked two that he would not answer for me. Mainly because when I stood on his right, he said, you may ask any question you like. But you know what he did? He stopped. He didn't say you can answer. For your first time, you don't give a darn what that other guy thinks. You worry about yourself. So I began to wonder, what does this chap mean? How are you going to handle this situation? How are you going to get out of it? That's what I was worrying about. He said, you may ask any question you like. After that, he followed back by saying, you can speak any language.

But I am the only person on this planet who can speak your language. I didn't even think about it. I asked questions I thought were common to me. And to him being there. And I will tell you the twenty-three questions I asked again. That he answered. I asked two that he would not answer for me. Mainly because when I stood on his right, he said, you may ask any question you like. Anyway, in standing there and looking at the gentleman, let me point this out. I saw him face-to-face when I went aboard the craft. And I saw him face-to-face, likewise, when I left. But no other time during the two-hour encounter did I look at him straight, face-to-face. He said, you may ask any question you like. After that, he followed back by saying, we can speak any language. Standing beside me, I tried to size him up. Literally, I didn't even know a sword off like this. Now, just walk by. And he was just standing there, and we just talked about it.

And I asked him, I said, when I saw him, I said, you may ask any question you like. And he said, no. And I said, how do I know what he meant by that? I don't know. He said, you may not touch anything on this craft without my permission. And you know something? I didn't either. Neither am I a professor. Now, there again, he said, you may not. He said, no, I mean, I didn't know the words without my permission. Anyway, in standing there and looking at the gentleman, let me point this out. I saw him face-to-face when I went aboard the craft. And I saw him face-to-face, likewise, when I left. And I said to him, you may ask any question you like. I went aboard the craft and I saw him face to face, likewise, when I left. But no other time during the two-hour encounter did I look at him straight face to face, mainly because I did what he said to me. When he was beside him, I tried to size him up, look at him, you know, sort of

off like this, and kept eyeing him over. And he saw, I was real curious. He says, you may not touch anything on this craft without my permission. And you know something? I didn't either. Now, there again, he said, you may not. He did not say, don't touch anything on this craft without my permission. I had been standing there, I'd say, seven or eight minutes, I don't know, maybe 10 minutes. I finally got up nerve enough to ask him a couple of real silly, insignificant questions. And believe me, I felt me, just like you. He did not say this was his

name. He says, you may call me Zeno, Z-E-N-O. That's a good use for you. Know what that word

means. That's when you get home. There's quite a, there's another thing that this place is

about that name, too, it says. The name Zeno, which he called himself, or he said I could call him. Now, mind you, he did not say this was his name. He never said I could call him that. When I look for that, it says it means stranger or foreigner. Which he absolutely was to me. Therefore, I didn't think he was from this earth. And I still don't think he was from this earth. In no time did they talk to each other.

There were eight people on that craft other than himself. One of them happened to be Zeno. Now, I know you women are going to sit there and say, well, she's pretty. Well, I think so. He told me that he was the only one on the craft who could speak my language. And

at this time, I asked him if there were others aboard the craft. He said, yes, there are eight others. And I casually said, well, am I going to get to see them? Yes, you will. And he took his own sweet time about taking me around to see them, too. Except one time to see something, and then when

I did, he wouldn't let me see it. He walked up to the instrument panel. Oh, one other feature

about him going to his room. This was something, too. He at no time called himself the captain or the master of the craft. He merely told me when I got in this room with him that this was his room and he stopped there. We saved the major portion of the two hours. I would say it didn't take us over 30 minutes to go throughout the craft. And the hour and a half spent in his room. Now, you might stand here or sit here and say, well, how in the world could you only ask him 23 questions or 25 questions in two hours' time? Reason why, every question I asked him, he took his own sweet time about answering it. I don't

care how small it was, what it meant. He took about 30 seconds before he would answer. One thing the air force asked about, well, why did you do that? I only was there. I didn't ask him why he did this. I'll ask him the next time when I go on a trip with him.

Hey, by the way, would you like to know? I'd love it. I'll recommend her. And then you have bona fide proof because she'll ask for something to bring back, which I didn't. This is where NICAP told me I was wrong. I should have asked him for something, but I didn't think about asking this gentleman for something. Have you got something I can take home and take back with me at night so I'll tell the people I was down here? Something? Yeah. You know. This is one thing I can't understand about people. I mean, they say, well, why didn't you bring something back? From the time I had three boys and I told you there's nine boys. I have told them don't take something that belongs to somebody else. Keep their hands off of other people's merchandise. Don't destroy that belongs to somebody else. The same thing about his craft. I felt that he wanted me to have some, then he didn't give it to me. However, I'll ask him about

that the next time, but I'm kind of confused. I don't want to tell him about it, but I'm not. I'm not going to be taken. Do you know why? I don't want to be taken. But I don't know what I'm doing. I don't Did I have an earring or one of those nose rings or something? They didn't wear them, but I'll ask if I can have one anyway. Maybe I'll ask a girl for a dress or for hair. Anyway, some of the things he told me, which were quite enlightening in a way, quite frightening.

I asked the gentleman where he was from, even though I've been asking because I remember it word for word,

right down the line, everything that gentleman said to me. And as we all know, you can take a sentence and change a couple of words around. Now, this is why I repeat him word for word, and I don't want it quoted any other way.

He told me they were from a planet in fact of a planet which we observed, but he said we do not observe them. Now, mind you, he didn't say we know what he was observing. He merely said we didn't. Now, this could mean that we will observe them in the future, observing him.

They do not measure distance and time as far as we do, but rather in terms of light. He says, well, how many lights are you from? He said, well, I could track. He said, there are. Now, this was after he had explained. He did explain how many of those, and I asked him at this point to clarify what he meant by a light term compared with our day that he would not do it. That's one of the two questions he wouldn't answer. The other one I might tell you right now is the one on the power source because he told me in some form or some reasonable sense what they used for power. I said, well, it means a thing to me. Can you clarify it? And you know what? He was very passionate. The gentleman asked me a question. I asked him, hey. Another crack. He slept. He did like we do, and he said, yes, in their own way. He said they don't sleep, but they rest for long periods of time. He said they do eat, however, in their own way.

Now, what he meant by that, I don't know. He used that expression several times, incidentally, in their own way. It was repulsion to me.

He said they could travel. Their speed was limited only by the speed at which they could transfer their energy source. Now, he had already told me.

He told me that. Energy was transferred from one craft to another. This craft I happened to be aboard did not have its own means of propulsion power-wise. The power they used was transferred to them from another craft. And he showed me the other craft. He called it their navigation craft. I can be sure of one thing. It was very large. I can be sure of another, and that was it was a long ways away. Reason number one is, it's very clear when I went down to the beach.

But I was only about seven feet below it. But I was only about 10 feet above it.

But I was a little closer to it. I wasn't so far. I was at a better position. And I literally could see it. It was a little bit different than a what you expect you would get. Or an actual little bit of a observe. When you think about the power of this craft, it appeared to be in a real deep haze. It must have been around 2.30 in the morning. I think on January 30th, I imagine the craft had to be at least a couple thousand miles to see it, in sunlight. of people have driven these crafts over three miles long, these cigar-shaped crafts. And I do not doubt that the least bit. And I just about confirmed that when I say that craft was awfully high and awfully big. In looking at that craft, he told me one interesting thing. First of all, he showed it to me through a little aperture up on the wall, which appeared to be some kind of a lens. I didn't say it was a lens. I said it appeared to be. In looking at it, it was definitely three-dimensional. It was not a screen. I can be sure of that.

I said, how far away is that craft? And he said, it's a great distance away. I asked him how many people were on it, and he would not tell me. He said there are a large number, but he wouldn't tell me the specific number. And I said, well, I guess it will go aboard that craft. And he said, no. And he meant no. I don't know why he happened to be so specific with me, because I asked him little simple things about, he didn't say anything a word. I don't think he told me for one reason, and that is that they all look real young, not over 20. Twenty-five would be very young to them, but comparing their age with

ours, I'd say they were much older than us, although they didn't look it. And I'll tell you why when I get to this point. Because I know exactly what he said from time to time,

and I will skip over some of it, because I know you people are going to ask questions, and I will mention it in the second portion. About 20 minutes after I was aboard this craft, he told me we had moved. I didn't see any movement. We were parked up on a hillside, but it was not used in the

wintertime, and he said we cannot be seen from here. And he told me I could go out a few minutes later than I did, about 3.30 in the morning, but not until after one particular incident, which I'll tell you about. I'm going to skip some of the questions, because I'll run short on time if I don't, and we'll probably get into them in the second portion, because you people are going to ask questions I know, and you guys couldn't. Now, going through the craft, he had already told me that I was going to be seen from here, and he told me he was going to show me this craft, and show me the other people. I noticed several very interesting things about it. One, the lighting, for instance. There were no direct lights in that craft anyplace. It all came right through the ceiling, right through the walls, but none from the floor. I saw some of the most beautiful colors I have ever seen in all my life, from black to the brightest red and the brightest orange and the prettiest

white I have ever seen. I'd like to live this again. It's real strange. There are seats

for everyone. There are seats for everyone. There are seats for everyone. There are seats for everyone. There are seats for everyone. There are seats for everyone. There are seats for everyone. Da ilio. There are right there. There are seats for everyone. There are right there. There are right there. The gentleman that said to me what I was going to look at, the handmaid ashun arame,

he said they were made from fuction. It was tough and spiteful for him, but he didn't let her strangle him. Therefore, I was not pleased. I'm pleased. I was pleased that he

was instant. It was a really good coincidence, because I've been a fair, and they brought in huge gifts for me. So finally I saw the handmaid ashun arame, and really, I've been very happy at the time. You can see that we sell music, that um if that is on the eyes want to design something like this and i'm sure you could i couldn't if i wanted to how do they

navigate this particular craft and he said we don't navigate it so i stopped and i said well pray tell me how do you find your way around he had already told me that their speed was limited only by the speed at which they could transfer the energy source well how do you navigate he says we don't he says they do meaning that other craft which he called an abrogation craft and i

got the bright idea said well how do you find your way through space traveling so fast and it was routine very routine he told me one interesting thing he says every planet he specifically said

has a separate and distinct means of identification yours and not the magnetic pulse that's the way he cleared yours the magnetic pole now let me tell you one thing about this magnetic pole anyone who's ever dealt with radio in this room can verify the fact that radio waves go continuously out of the space and it's merely a magnetic wave we did not have this magnetism

that radio would be limited in distance probably 10 or 15 maybe less miles but because of this magnetism it is unlimited if it were not then the we could have not gotten those pictures back from mars let's have 22 of those pictures i wish i had remembered to bring them down and show me you people i have a hot off the press down in jpl the congratulatory thing and i never could figure out just what they meant congratulatory

they need to get out talking about this thing or not but anyway i happened to get 22 of their pictures i've been told recently they took around 55 pictures but only 22 were released for public use now this i cannot verify i can only tell you from what i've heard why they would not release the others i haven't the least idea and i didn't question them on it i am one not to question people if i think they're telling the truth

i always say you can win the argument fellow but i'm right okay now going on down through the craft i noticed other things about it too other than what i already mentioned one of them was that there was not a square corner on that craft any place it was rounded off just perfectly three feet in the thing was rounded off it is all rounded off beautifully every seat exactly the same which i drew at the right-hand

side when i first got in the craft all seats were on the right-hand side of the door when we got around and went around the other side of the craft they appeared on the left-hand side of the door so i could only assume by this that the doorway which i went into happened to be the front of the craft i'm not so sure it could have been the rear as far as i know but i know the door is switched i mean the chair is switched position when we get on the other side the bottom was ranged and arranged considerably different than the second floor i went on now let me mention this too i said the second floor i am satisfied that craft had three floors although i only went on two into this gentleman's room i went in two more on his side went down a hallway and went

into one of their little rooms they called a relaxation room i went in two more and i went

into the little elevator room and went upstairs that made five six rooms on the bottom floor that i went into before which included the consultation

wonderful experience i've ever had now going down through the craft every time we would go to a door and start in a room where it was occupied it would open immediately as we approach as we got inside

as if it was fully automatic those people working there act like they were so darn unconcerned about me being there they look around and just pay no attention go right back to whatever they were doing so i had a room that closed back with them and i'm standing here well can't

they talk the room was going from one little bit different now you can put happen had

very few instruments from he called it one of their relationships rooms and it had a theater believe it or not i had one leg to it to me right it was something uh

the psychiatrist would use a psychiatrist but i was dead and thinking that would be a marvelous thing where a psychiatrist managed to get in his way you know explained to me that they just only relaxed that they did not sleep i don't know why just told me this went down the hallway came to another room that was full of instruments which made the third occupied room on the bottom floor then the fourth room that we came to that was occupied on the lower floor turned out to be a lot different it happened to have some kind of

computer and put his hand out like that and he meant don't go any further that way and you know

something i didn't i obeyed him so little about his class so little about what the world i was

doing on that plan to go aboard that thing and who these people really are we left this particular

room and went into a room he said was her elevator room and just as we went inside a real strange thing took place and that was he reached up and opened a little cabinet reached up and pulled down he said this is part of our food supply and he didn't even give me a chance to look at it and taste it after he stuck it back up there the door closed now there is one time i could have taken something and i know my captain wanted to prove that i went aboard the craft the next time i will ask for it without the size of a packed cigarette now i don't smoke but i'm against the wall and he said you may stand here with me

and i can stand here and tell you that if he hadn't put me on this elevator and said we were going up brother i would have never known an elevator within that floor i leaned up against the wall with him and that thing began to rise and i stood there in utter shock and i made with that floor just started to come right up and we went through the next roof but i could not see where it was asking the floor until it started coming up now i've been asked if there was a glass around it i don't think so i don't recall it i just did the recording on the next floor we took off and went right again in all cases whenever he turned he would always turn to the left but i'd go with him

just like he woke his wife down the street but she wanted to look at her new pet

on the second floor the first room we came to happened to be another one of the relaxers did not meet him and they had them all and then i wanted to question him but i forgot the door until i got off the ground and he'd go and that's the only thing i didn't know what i'm going to do and i could we might have gotten the b which made the fifth occupied room we had come across

it was just about like the one down below it and i stayed below it because i think it's just about directly above we went into the sixth room which was occupied up until up through the switch rooms, I told you that going into them, the door opened as we approached. As we got

inside, the door immediately slammed shut. I could hear the door opening closing, just like the opening closing. But I knew they were opening closing. Consultation room. So

I immediately stopped and I thought, well, what does he mean? I didn't decide to sit down. But he didn't finish. I sat down to my right near his chair. I didn't set my cellar. I was hanging with him. He wasn't going to make my call until you were found out very shortly. Nice chair. When I got here, I thought we were about ready to go. However,

the door did not open immediately. It had never taken place in my 45 years up to that time. We weren't ready to go. And I'm going to tell you what this gentleman told me about the work. First of all, he said, we'd like to pay your respects to the Supreme Deity. When he said this, I can tell you now, I didn't feel that. I didn't even feel I existed. I said, what did he mean by Supreme Deity? I couldn't visualize just what he meant. My mother always said

Supreme Deity. She never said Supreme Deity. I have always thought this. Supreme Deity means a little more than being to me. People had been sitting down. They had all been standing working. I did. I now feel a little bit of prayer. And I will tell you at this time. Inside the room, he offered me a seat. Now, on my left appeared a chair, and on my right appeared a chair. And on my right, over against the wall, appeared three chairs. And over on my left appeared three. That made eight chairs. And then the stool out in front of me, which was near what I call the altar, made the ninth chair. This would represent nine people aboard that craft, and he told me there were eight others. So I went along with it. We weren't ready to go.

What the John told me was the word Supreme Deity. I can tell you now, I didn't feel that

high. I didn't feel I existed. I said, what did he mean by Supreme Deity? I couldn't visualize

just what he meant. Because from the time I was born, my mother always said Supreme Deity. I have always thought this, because Deity means a little more than being to me. I will

tell you at this time, who's to say that the first time I have ever been a spiritual aspect of that person. And I felt that hand. I stood next to the gentleman, and I still thought

we were ready to go. No, we weren't ready yet. Because I had asked him if they lived like we did, and he said, yes, in our own way, but I will tell you later. This is where the gentleman chose to tell me. Now, some of you are going to want me to repeat this, or want to write it down. You can as you wish. I will repeat it for you slowly. He started out by saying, and he started out by saying, I'll take a breather for one second, and then I'll continue with

it. So I think it only limits about one hour, and I'm told that I should limit mine to one

hour, but I've got two hours to go. Well, you've got to turn it over. Let me know when

you're finished, and I'll go. I'll point out one thing, ladies and gentlemen.

At this time, I am not going to give my opinion of it. I'm only going to tell you what the

gentleman told me, to some degree. I'll merely discuss. I'll figure out just what he meant,

but he started out by saying, and I say again, we have no crime, we have no violence, we

have no police force. Now, a strange incident took place, and I'm not ashamed, but I told it openly, and I'll tell it again. He followed this by saying, I'm not ashamed of my talk, as I said, I'm not ashamed of my time. He was very, very amped to do his job, which they do very well. I'm thrilled that the student cried with that gentleman. I didn't want...

I didn't... He did not say, we live in the one. He merely said, we live at a one. I was in the quarter

one, and this is our last one. We only live... That's what the gentleman said. He wished I would say it again, because I think it's very essential to us. He wanted to go outside. He started out by saying, as you know it. Correct. Second room. after the consequences, there appeared a woman. We have no violence. We have no crime. Now, I told you that there was eight men and one woman on this planet. We have no police force. Now, why did he show you that woman? We have no police force. We have no police force for the fact that he mentioned birds. Our young are taught from a very young age to do a job, which they do very well. We have no money. Because of our long life expectancy, we have a very strict birth control. And I think he was very pretty. He reminded me of my wife. Now, I didn't think I did exist because he made me feel so little.

I said, sir, I want to go with you to this time, and I'll tell him again.

I have seen hard times in my life. See them again. When he told me this, I didn't cry. Where's that gentleman standing next to me? And he said at this time, I didn't cry. I said, sir, I want to go outside if I wish to. And I told him I would like to. But I didn't go out immediately. We went down the hallway, and these next two rooms, which were occupied, we did not go into.

We only looked into them. Now, why we didn't go in, I don't know. I think the time was running short, because I could go outside. I have an idea of a few minutes later. But passing the second room, after the consultation room, there appeared a woman. One woman. One woman on this crowd. Now, why he showed me that woman couldn't it be for the fact that he mentioned Bert? If he hadn't mentioned Bert, and I had seen the woman, we would wonder why he showed me that woman. Furthermore, if he'd mentioned Bert and didn't show me a woman, we could say the whole thing was a hoax. It was a make-up story, but he showed me the woman, as I said. I was wondering exactly that. She reminded me of my wife. This place in the hill. The hills. In that short span of ten minutes. And I did not feel us move. Neither did I feel us on the way back. We got in this elevator and went back downstairs. He opened the door and let me outside.

And the same thing took place leaving the craft that took place when I went aboard. This first room I went into closed and closed me in for about a minute. He dropped me outside. And I was sitting on it. Brother, I hope he doesn't leave. Well, I'm thinking he's back. When I happened to go outside the craft, hanging up and down in the craft, every place I could touch for about three minutes,

even if I could feel any kind of writing or see anything on it, that would give me some indication where they might be from.

But I saw nothing. I felt nothing. But I did feel that craft up real good. One thing about where we were parked, and luckily I did. And I said... The radio station KTVU in San Francisco. A part of what I had seen, and by me telling that over the air, I found out where we went for the two or three minutes at maximum, even if that long.

He told me shortly after I was aboard the craft that we had moved for twenty minutes at maximum that he said we had moved.

And furthermore, I am told by two very reliable sources that this craft was hanging out over the ocean ten minutes after two,

which would have meant either that or a similar craft was hanging out over the ocean at ten minutes after two. It meant I was on the craft at that time. And that means that we would have had to move from there up to this place in the hills during that short span of ten minutes. And I did not feel us move. Neither did I feel us on the way back. I didn't feel us moving on the way back. We were on the craft for about three minutes, and I got back inside. And I asked this gentleman... I called a lot of communications. I asked him about this. And he explained that theirs is unknown to us. And I got involved in the military. Just like their means of caution, he ended up saying it was unknown to us. Now, I asked him if there was any possible way I could communicate with him, and he said no. ...question me as to why I'm going to tell you this. This is what the gentleman told me. If this craft has an armament on it, he said no.

He said they never come here armed.

[02:27:40] Closing questions

He told me they didn't need any protection. They needed no protection whatever. He says they've got it.

Yes, but not too destroyed. This is one thing he said specifically. Not too destroyed. He told me that I had to leave very shortly, and I'm going to keep going off of here about... ...to make contact with any... He said no. He answered it slowly.

It took him about 30 seconds. Could I be of assistance? He said no. ...by saying something very strange. He said your nation and all nations are for purposes of destruction without cause.

Give him an opinion on it. I'm only telling you what he said in any case. And then he explained that theirs is unknown to us.

...like their means of precaution. He indicated it was unknown to us. I asked him if there was any possible way I could communicate with him. He said no. And he said your means of...

Explain this. He said our means of communication, meaning his, was unknown to us. And I even indicated to him that I was having to do a handshake. He told me I... Yes, I know you are. ...in person. I mean, I addressed it. What he meant was, if anybody is familiar with communications is, every time you turn on a transmitter, the book will tell you to let it sit for about 15 to 30 minutes before operating because of drift allowance. And he told me that monster of transmitter I used drifted. And they hear us. This is one thing he made very clear, that they do hear us. Now, before I departed from the crash and he had already told me that I had to leave very shortly, and I'm going to get thrown off of here if I don't quit very shortly, he told me... I beg your pardon? ...that the gentleman... Yes. ...that the gentleman... Yes. ...that the gentleman... Yes. ...that the gentleman... Yes. ...that the gentleman... Yes. ...that the gentleman...

Yes. ...that the gentleman... Yes. ...that the gentleman, if he had ever been here before...

Yes. ...and he said, yes, he has, and he said, yes, it has. Yes. ...he said, not his crafts had, but other crafts had. Other crafts of his kind had taken people aboard. He did not tell me who they were. I didn't ask him because my time was running short and he told me I had to leave very

shortly. He didn't tell me, Hefo! He said, you may leave. And I knew what he meant. That meant I was go. Okay. Now, I asked the gentleman if he would come again, and he said yes, he would. However, before he left, he told me something of a very unusual nature, and I tried to follow it up and find out just what he meant, and I have not found the answer to it yet. And that is, he told me, at any cost, to contact Governor Brown. Now, why he picked Governor Brown, I don't know. Let me explain this. If you knew what he told me to tell Governor Brown, I think you'd change your mind.

It's to Governor Brown in person, and I could not write it down or read it. It's something he could do. Now, I know Mr. Brown could do it. From the standpoint of reading his background and his one thing, I've got lots of pull myself, but it all seems to be downward.

Mr. Brown is in a position to perform this one particular feat the gentleman told me to pass along to him. I sent this message to him. But I don't know. I have not conceded yet. However, I think after about January 4th, I will be able to.

I think it's January 4th. I made a tip to pass this along, but as I told you, they have not conceded.

But Mr. Brown and I happen to know a little more about this than most of you people, because I have made a personal study of his background, and there are things that Mr. Brown has done. Now, I don't like the man either. Any more than you do. But there are things that Mr. Brown has done that I think very few people in this audience would be aware of without doing what I have done,

and that's going out to learn about his character and his ability, and his habits, because he was very young.

This is one thing I wanted to know, why this gentleman would pick Governor Brown. I asked him why he picked Governor Brown, but I know now why he did, eventually getting this message to him.

If he should do what he was told to do, it will affect your life, it will affect my life, it will affect everyone in this room.

I can assure you it will be for the betterment of mankind if he will do it, because he will be guided into it.

He will not be... I will tell him what the gentleman told me, but from then on, he's on his own. I can only tell him what I was told to tell him. To me, it's a message, it's for him and no one else, and I will depart from his company.

He told me that I must be... A few parting words, however. I asked the gentleman, why... He should pick me for such an episode as this. I didn't say episode, I just asked him why he should pick me for something like this, and he said he didn't pick me. He said they had invited many people aboard their craft before, but no one had ever gone aboard his craft, because they'd all been fighting away. And you know he's in, you're picking me away. But I'm grateful that I went aboard that craft, and I would welcome the next chance. I noticed I had gone overboard. I was at 10 minutes. It's 05. I had my limit of which was about an hour and 10 minutes, and I have a lot more to present for those who wish to stick around. And I hope you all do, but at this time let's take a short break, and come back for a further discussion. I would like to have all questions that you have so I can read them off and elaborate on them at the next session.

The terrain of bull did with me for the second session, but I don't think I'm leading the people tonight.

You're not going to fight me tonight. I would like to... say one thing at this time that i usually tell at the beginning of the second session that is that you people might think it's awfully easy to go out and do something like this and make a claim of such a such an incident i can tell you now it is not easy to tell the air force what i had to get my newspaper that's just how i felt how did it

leave me i've received calls all night long john neville i'd like to kill him

o'clock one morning you've got to do this just what do i got to do

he says well i'm going to put you on the air for 30 minutes i said tonight he said yes tonight he

says well i'm going to give us a face talk in a few minutes and i want you to follow that i'm going to lay right here in his bed and talk to him oh that's all i say nothing i think this is normal one o'clock in the morning up in the air he says is it your buddy

i don't know where he's calling from he wouldn't know if this fellow up there was my buddy

three o'clock in the morning now let me tell you this i'm not going to say i'm going to answer him

i'll read them first you get to hear the question this way no do they communicate

by telepathy one thing i cannot answer but i am assuming they do i'm assuming it from the standpoint they did not talk to each other while i was before the class now i think it from a lot of reasons they had hand movement and they had facial expressions that look at each other i didn't know what they were thinking i didn't hear them so i think it was mental telepathy did the gentleman you know purpose i need to see a dire happening

for this planet i will give you one thing that he gave me before i departed from the craft and i will tell you why i think he told me within the next 20 years

this is the way he said it within the next 20 years the american people would be given an opportunity to go into a world worldwide experiment or experience i think he said experience if we but went into it or if we accepted this invitation it would cause a lot of loss of life now what this experience is or experiment i have the least idea but when i read gene dixon's article in the reader's digest the last paragraph and she said that this child was born in the east in 1952 that would put him in the category of the 20 years he indicated that he would rise up to be a great religious leader now i have been told by very high authority in church circles that all churches will

be invited to convert into one unit of church within the next 20 years whether or not this is a great church so i think that's one of the ways that christianity can be much more international and to us this is what this gentleman meant i cannot answer but this is one thing that i thought about when i read her article i will let you be the judge to speak of those people in these crafts as working and what were they doing what kind of work let's take question number one there's others on this too this reminds me of some of the letters i get they appeared to be working had some form of tools they had switches all over they had dials all over and i only stayed in each room about one minute just long enough to get a good look and leave now i said they were working because they didn't look like they were sitting still or doing nothing i only used that as an expression as a choice let's say now i think they were working i know if i'm standing here doing

something i wouldn't call it play i would call it and they were doing something there's a purpose

for coming here i asked this gentleman the same thing i will tell you what he said observation

only but now what did he mean by that i don't think he meant to observe us i think he meant

for us to serve him for this reason at no time did mr zeno call my name he didn't ask me my name

he didn't ask me to color my skin he didn't ask me how old i was he didn't ask me where i was from anything about him he asked nothing about any faith for this reason i am satisfied they know already who i am who you are maybe even mrs

borister who knows now this is my belief for one reason only in this gentleman describing his trip

coming here i will quote him on something because i knew this was going to come up this is why i didn't tell him he said that they observe all of our aircraft and ship movements small objects from

a great distance away i can specifically what he meant by a small object he said you automobiles

dogs cats just anything just name it they observe it why i don't think he meant that they were observing us i think it was only because he wanted someone on this earth to observe him that is my answer were you guided by a type of metal telepathy on

particular night to go to the beach because i didn't want to break my ham radio as i had normally done and then go to the beach after his long secret i stayed with me and by the way a strange thing has happened since that incident i have had no more secret knight in fact i have to fight my band to stay away believe me i almost might be better all my life since that incident but up until then brief this night with me because I went home at four o'clock or shortly after four and I had to

operate military radio the next morning I belonged to a military nest and my presence was greatly demanded and required and they all said that day how much power are you running today my gosh you sound like you're running your wind it's the first time you've ever heard it like this whether these people called it out or not there's one thing about my communications ever since this incident took place sometimes my transmitters are turned on by themselves turned on and warmed up ready to go this has happened a multitude of times my wife has gone

out and turned it off she's locked the door the next morning I'll go out and unlock the door and the damn radio clip was turned on now please tell me how that happened I've got one other one for you too I'm going to tell you as soon as I finish reading these because it killed me I came back to life , though, when this guy picked me up on the floor together in like this it looked as if it was held together in something like this no that's how they looked with clothing on me what did the gentleman when he explained their way of life in his way with ours and believe me that's enough to cry over I think anybody would after hearing him make a statement like that where did this take place where did this take place again I didn't sense it well I'll tell you where it's just

you know do you believe there are space people living among us but they are not outside their faster and warmer time and I will tell you from what I believe if a plunder street unless you haven't been able before would not recognize the most about in resemblance characters facial expressions and their look I would because I have seen but I think I would only if you haven't hand over you like he said he would from a panicked regards but we love having somebody who I've Do you believe there are space people living among us? had been asked many times people out on the street unless you had seen them before you would not recognize they were not close to us in resemblance characters and their looks, if they are not looking at me, they wouldn't recognize me.

He said he was from a planet we observed, but we did not observe him, because I know that, believe me.

He says his diploma gets him through this world. If his diploma means more to him, his diploma means more to him than a job ever could.

I said it the other way around. My job means more to me than a diploma ever could. All the same, I work in a planetarium at Reno, which is part of Reno, I mean, the University of Nevada.

A fine chap, about 28 years old, but he just detests the thought of spacecrafts or flying saucers until I get to talk with him.

And he said, Sid, I don't know why, but I always believe you. I don't believe those other guys, but I believe you. Now, if you were talking to Dan Fry, you'd know that guy said, Sam, it's the biggest lie you ever heard, but I believe you, Mr. Fry. He's a good kid, though. I like him. Every time a scientist becomes interested in this, they're interested in the standpoint of criticism rather than a phrasing or evaluation.

He called me and told me, This couldn't happen. I also had one call me and say, There is no such thing as a planet that we don't observe. About two days later, another one called me and said, Mr. Fadges, we know lots of planets we can't observe. I said, I wish you'd call him and tell him that. And furthermore, about this planet, stripping from a newspaper, and incidentally, we do not take this newspaper. It got thrown out of your, I don't know how it got there.

It's on paper. On June 24th, 1965, quote, That day, it says, Beyond our means of observation, believed to be lying beyond the most distant known planet, I would like to know, What is the best way to contact me?

He did. Did he give you any advice for us? No, he did not give me any advice for us. Would you accept that one prediction I told you? Now, this question is in here several times, so I'm going to hold off on it. I'll just tell you. What the gentleman told me. What kind of a ship could those long bullets shape once be? I saw a very large one of close range, about 100 feet above my head. Must have been at least three city blocks long. Now, he described this to me as being their observation. I mean, he also said they did all the firing back at us,

that we should fire at them, that his craft had. He said they did all the navigating and all the transfer of the aboard. I won't tell you too much about it, because I'll let you go aboard it. When I go with him for that two months, I hope to go aboard. Did the gentleman communicate by mental telepathy with the other? Did he read your mind? Did you read, did you think? Did he describe that with the people?

They have no school.

You ask that, but this is a very good question, and I'll tell you why. We don't need schools either. You know why? I've never...

But we don't need schools. If we taught our young, starting when they're about three years old or less, to do a job... Like he said, they teach third, and they taught them... I mean, we taught this child this every day, six days a week, allowing one for a rest if they needed it. Our boys don't need it, because it ain't no 24 hours a day, seven days a week. If we did this, we'd have brilliant children by the time they're 10 years old. You don't believe it, try it. If you teach them one subject alone, which they probably do... Now, he said they taught their children, but they didn't teach them one subject alone. He said they taught their children, but they didn't teach them one subject alone. Now, he said they taught their children, but they didn't teach them one subject alone. He said they taught their children a job when they were very young. I am assuming by that, he meant when they were in the very early stage,

probably three or four years old. I think if we did the same thing, we would have very brilliant kids by the time they reach 10 or 15 years of age, and they could do anything you want them to practice. I've got a 13-year-old boy now who has self-taught. If he came in here and did a wiring job on any piece of electronic equipment, you wouldn't believe he did it. It would look better than any commercial piece of gear. You wouldn't believe it. you could find and he's 13 years old and i did not teach him this he learned it himself i'm proud of that boy as you well see i think these people are well aware of our activities

in space and as we go along for a little help from time to time i'm not so sure that i'm only saying

it from a general standpoint since if we show any danger to them they're here to help us at the

moment because i think the people who they could get to in health doesn't want their help it doesn't feel now this is my only observation about that and my opinion did they give you an indication

that they had planned their contact with you in advance not on that trip but i will tell you something about this he tells me something i can do and i'm not going to tell you because every dog whenever you'll be out there waiting he tells me something i can do and if i do that he will know that i knew i want to contact with him but that's not very easy i will tell you several days to my wife one night she said uh-uh they

might take you and keep you i'd be glad go ahead we did tell me something i can do and if i do that

one thing they will come and see me again not you but did they did they show amusement at your

questions and perspective no they didn't well let me there's another question here about the same thing that's why i was sitting down here i said or anything i did anything i said or did at any

time they appeared to be very serious although they didn't look fast or anything like that i mean they had an expression on their face where they indicated i mean they impressed me as being serious

i didn't think it was a laughing matter half of people do what they're doing through dress and

how would you and facial expressions that comes under this is the landing spot 175

five miles north of san francisco i did and i'm glad i did because it proved where we had landed up CLOOTS i did when i announced this over the radio station i told one thing i had seen but you seeded surprised

how many letters i got and said you're mr patrick i got one of those one i pulled the fast record

of everything i had seen in that lock that you could see standing in the circles i was in people that i wrote who said they had a lot like this i didn't tell anyone in there that i wrote what i had seen totally one lady wrote me back and told me exactly what you could see And I knew that was a lot, because I missed one thing out for her. When I went to see this box, and by the way, Mr. Ribeiro, who is a friend of mine, and he's also a friend of Gabe Green's, he's a friend of everybody's, in fact, he and I stopped up there last fall, coming back from Seattle, Washington. And it was the exact spot I had been in before. However, it was growing up a little bit, and we couldn't see where the crab actually sat down. I have pictures of it, though. This is something I would not let the Air Force have. They'd like to have them. They'd also like to have the pictures I took of the spot where this crab landed when it picked me up.

Or windows that you have this crab, only the one, only the one that he showed me the other crab,

the navigational crab, I saw no windows otherwise. And I had no light, so it was just a big block of metal or something I saw coming down.

And I didn't see a light. And when the gentleman opened the door for me to go inside, he left likewise. And incidentally, another thing, when he left, it took about seven seconds to disappear. And it was fairly bright at this time. The body conditioned to the force within their craft in the first room used to hit her.

Was that the reason for the blinding light? ...to their ship rather than them conditioning themselves to our earth.

I believe it can stand for what I've been closing me off to. ...in this room, both going in and coming out. They did not turn the lights up coming out. They only kept me in there until the room apparently reached a certain level of temperature. It's not temperature, but pressure, whatever they do. I don't know what it is. But I think they conditioned me to this. And this could be the reason they only stayed two hours. Maybe the day that they could condition my body to only two hours staying on that crab. These people dread. That's another reason. That's a lot of people.