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← Back to Undated – Part Two – Inglewood Unit 15
Undated Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Lois Martinon Reincarnation
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- [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
- [23:38] Main address
- [01:12:14] Development of the main themes
- [01:47:41] Questions and closing discussion
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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
Good evening, everyone. I'm very glad to be with you tonight. I'd like to have you know, I'd like to have you feel, I'd like to have you understand my father, fathers, and my feeling when we would help people to understand themselves.
So, it's a privilege, and it's an honor, and it's an opportunity to look at the circumstances and events of another person's life and to understand why they are going through the things that they are.
It's a privilege and an opportunity for us to take a look at our own lives and to understand why we are going through the things that we are.
Take a look at your own life now. If you're in a circumstance that you don't like, if you're even in a physical condition that you don't like, why are you in that? Why are you going through that?
What does it mean to you? And what lesson will you have gained after you have passed through or conquered that experience?
My father, by profession, is an accountant.
He specialized in state and federal income taxes, a great mathematical mind, a mind that knew how to balance everything.
Because, you know, the lectures of any corporation, any set of books, must be balanced. And when Dad, early in his training of accountancy, was studying in the Columbia University,
he learned that there was more to life than business and balancing books and so forth. There was also a balancing of our life, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
One of his roommates was a fellow, a fellow who was rather a dreamer, other people thought.
He would sit in class way at the back of the room, and when the professor would say, and when the professor would give his talk, and so forth, everyone else would be busy writing notes, you know, and they knew that they were going to get an examination on this test and on the grades, so that they were busy writing and keeping all the information and facts that they could. And this fellow, young fellow, would sit back there, and it would almost look like he was going to sleep. But when time came for them to take the examination, he would come out 98, 99, 100 percent. Just right off the bat. So the fellows in the dormitory would get together and have these bull sessions before tests, and they would say, well, now, his name was Andrew, they would say, Andrew, here's some notes that I find it a little hard to transcribe. Now, it started out this way, can you tell me what the, what was the professor's idea, what he really meant?
And Andrew would be able to name off everything that was done. So they said, what are you doing? And he said, well, I put myself in a mental hypnotic state. You've heard of people who can have a photographic mind. They can take a page and glance at it, and they can tell you exactly what's on that page. He said, I hear something, and it's registered, and I know it. And examinations are no problem to me. So, in one of his classes, Dad spent a long time learning thanatopsis.
It's a difficult poem. And they had to learn it by such and such a day. And like all fellows, and girls in college, they let things go to the last minute. And one fellow came in just the day before they were to know this, thanatopsis, and they said, Andrew, Andy, they called him, I don't know it, can you help me? Whatever you can do, teach it to me, teach it to me in a couple hours. So, Andrew said, well, just quiet down and sit down. And he started through his process of hypnotizing the fellow. And in just a matter of five to ten minutes, he said, now, go into the room there, close the door, take your book with you, close the door, and when you come out, you will know the poem perfectly. You'll be in there about an hour. So, he went in, a little less than an hour. Why? Because he didn't wake up, and he came out as if he hadn't realized even what had been going on. You see, he was in a state of hypnosis, and he didn't realize that, of course, in that state, what was happening.
And as he came back, no one said anything particular to him. He said, well, what are you doing? Did you have a good rest? Oh, yes, I feel fine. I've rested. Now I'm ready to start in with my work, and so forth. And nothing was said about the thanatopsis. No one asked him a question. The next day, in class, Dad said he had it perfectly. So, Dad had known this fellow that had the thanatopsis experience. And about ten years later, Dad met him on the street. And he said to him, I heard of a poem that I just don't know what it is. I don't know who wrote it. I don't know how it starts. But it says something like, So live that when thy summons come, and so on. He says, the other fellow said, oh, yes, that's a thanatopsis. And he started from the beginning, and he recited it clear through. Ten years later, and that was still vivid in his mind. So, of course, Dad realized that there was an awful lot to the subconscious mind of individuals.
A lot to the conscious mind, but tremendously a lot to the subconscious. Dad, by faith, was raised a Methodist. He taught in the Methodist Sunday School for quite some time, was supervisor of church schools in his district and so forth. And when he started to study a little bit beyond the orthodox of that time,
and read books and hear lectures, a little out of the, church schedule, he thought to himself, this is good. If we have lived, and he heard of reincarnation, naturally, if we have lived before, we should know it. We should remember it. I can understand, or I can know, theoretically, that a person comes into life, they pass through a lifetime experience, they go out, they stay out for a period, then they come back in. They should remember it. The blinds of their memory should not be so closed. But Dad did not particularly like the idea of putting a person back into a deep hypnotic sleep,
and ask them and call forth many of these questions. He felt if we did not direct their mind to any place, if we would not direct their mind to any condition, if we would understand and not presuppose anything in any nature, but just drew out of themselves the past history of themselves, as they wish to give it, what would be revealed? And this is the premise under which he went. So that when he started to put people back into past lifetimes, as we called it, or turn them back on their time track, or in the tape recording of themselves, he would not use direct hypnotic suggestions to the relaxing of the physical body. He would suggest, yes, that they were relaxing, they were becoming still, their mind was becoming very quiet, their breathing was regular and normal, and so forth. And then he would tell them to think back. What did they do yesterday? Well, we can all remember what we did yesterday. And what did you do last week?
Well, maybe we wouldn't know exactly what day, and yet maybe we might know exactly the day and the hour of what we did. But sometimes it would be, well, I did this, I don't know what day, but it was about so-and-so that I washed the dishes, and I had cottage cheese for supper or dinner, whatever it was, and so on and so forth. And he would have them go back further and further and further into themselves. And he would say, well, what did you do at a very early age? Tell us about some happening that meant a lot to you. And their mind would come up with many, many events. And he found, and he found that in going back in this manner, they were soon sometimes talking languages which they did not know in this present lifetime.
They were telling of conditions which did not fit the history of this present life. He realized that he was getting into a condition of their mind that was not of today's circumstance, that was not of today's recording. And yet there seemed to be the greatest continuity, no particular step-off period, like we think of birth being a definite stepping period, or like we think a pass on or a death is a definite stepping period. There was the continuity of mind all through it. And in some conditions, he would say, what are you? What do you look like? What country are you in? And actually, they would say, well, I'm in France. I'm in Germany. And then he would ask, well, who's the ruler of the country? Who are the important men? And they would come up with the answer, identifying themselves as being in another space, another time, another place.
Instead of asking them the ordinary conditions about the policies of the government,
the political situations and so forth, he was more interested in asking, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? What does it mean to you? And when he realized that they were not in a physical body, by the answers that they gave, he would say, what did this experience through which you have just gone meant to you? What did you learn? You see, it's not as important to know that we were the Queen of Sheba, that we were Cleopatra, that we were this and that and the other person. But it is important to us to know what we learned, why we went through the experiences that we did, what we have gained in a soul measure or on a spiritual measure by the experience through which we went. I remember one incident in particular. This happened to a young lady who at that time was the wife of the district attorney in Toledo, Ohio. She's a very beautiful woman and has five daughters. She loves music. Her daughters are playing the piano.
Some are singing. Some are playing the violin. And she is always urging them on to greater accomplishments and greater skill in their music field. Emma loves to sing. But she sings for her own amazement, for her own joy and for her own satisfaction entirely. Because were you to hear Emma sing, you would say she sounds like the foghorn down here at the bellboy or the bell boa because she does not have the physical voice qualities. When she went back into a past life, this was in Toledo, Ohio that this happened. She was sitting in her ordinary living room and dad had her remember this process of remembering back. And she came to a period where she seemed quite haughty. She seemed quite important. And in asking her what she was and what she did, she said she was a singer. And she said, what do you sing? And she was in Italy and she was on the stage. She was a prima donna. And bless her heart, she acted like a prima donna.
She looked like a prima donna. There was all the expectancy of fame. There was all the expectancy in her manner of having people cater to her, of having people praise her, of having people appreciate her, and of being the center of attention. Dad asked her to sing. And had the tape recorders been as available then as they are now, we would have had a wonderful recording. But they weren't. Had the windows been open, we could have heard her had we gone a block and a half to two blocks down the street. She has a magnificent voice. It's powerful. It's strong. And she's able to throw her voice out and express all the quality and feeling in her voice. She went through the rest of that lifetime, had a very easy transition from the person as the singer into an in-between life period. And Dad asked her what she had learned by that experience. Oh, she had gained a lot. She had made people know who she was. And she had done this and she had done that.
And just after passing through, there was quite a revelation of experiences and an evaluation of experiences of her life. As she went on through different happenings in the in-between life and came ready to come in to another physical incarnation, Dad asked, are you going to bring this voice, this still with you again? Are you going to express this lifetime as a beautiful singer? She said, no, I'm not. I'm going to leave this ability and skill deep into my mind, deep into myself. Because if I bring it down and if I express it as a child or even as I grow older, it will take me into entirely different set of circumstances that I need to be in. She said, you see, I need to learn humility. I need to learn humbleness. I need to learn how to give to others, not how to expect and how to take. And Dad said, well, what about this ability? Will it be lost to you? She said, no. Nothing that we have truly gained, no skill or ability or understanding
of any art or any expression of ourselves is ever lost. We may leave it in a higher sphere for a while, but it can always be taken up. She said, no, I won't be able to sing, but I need to learn the lesson of humbleness. And we understood why Emma had come back with such a beautiful love for music, but with such a terrible, terrific, foghorn voice. She was learning her humility. She was learning how to express the humbleness in herself. She was learning how to urge the children, the five girls, to build skills and abilities that they would never lose in themselves. You see, that's the reason we have so many child prodigies. So many. Why? Because this particular skill and ability, they bring back this lifetime, not like she who had left it on another plane. These lessons are tremendous. When we look in our own lives, just with that little understanding, can we understand why we are going through some of the experiences that we're going through?
Can we understand why we have an urge within ourselves to paint, and yet we'll never become a great artist? You see, I don't think we're all here. And I say that kindly. I don't think we're all here. There's a great part of ourself that is somewhere in our history, our own personal history. So when we look at another person, we cannot judge what they are. We don't know the little facet of their life that needs the polishing. We don't know what great skill is in the history of their soul. We look at any person, and we can only recognize and salute the divinity that's in them. We go through these many, many tests. One experience that meant a lot to this young minister was a decision that he had to make. He had studied to be a minister. He had gone through many years of theology and meditation in himself. He was married. He had three children. He was a minister in a small church that did not pay him a large salary. I'm speaking now of the present lifetime.
And yet he knew that he had to give these children a good education. He felt a deep urge inside to give them all he could. And his understanding at that time was not only the spiritual understanding of that which he taught, but also the advantages which money could bring. And he wasn't in a position, being the minister of a small church, to give them any great material advantage. He had wondered within himself whether he should leave the ministry and whether he should take a job in a mill, in any kind of business with some of his friends, and perhaps build a greater life materially. And this was his, one of his great decisions to make when he came this one Saturday night to visit my father. And he told my father of his decision. He said, I have almost decided to take a job. I have been offered a job that would give me at least $300 a month to start with, more than what I'm getting. My children are the age now where they need it.
I can invest in them. And after all, they are my responsibility. I have brought them into the world. They had said, well, let's see what your own inner self has to say. Let's see what pattern is before you. So when he had him relaxed, when he had him entirely quiet, relaxed in mind, now watch, relaxed in body, relaxed in mind, relaxed in emotion, he suggested to him, as he remembered back, period after period, until he came to the early part of this life. And then he gave them the suggestion, go into that part of yourself which will tell you why you came into life in this particular period. What lessons you wanted to learn in this day and age. Go into that part of yourself which will tell you why you are here today. And it wasn't long before Reverend Reed was telling us of a past life in Palestine or in and around Palestine. He was a Roman tax collector. Bless his heart, he was doing it beautifully. He was very rough in his ways,
[23:38] Main address
going into people's places and telling them, you owe this to the Roman Empire. Give me this, give me that. What do you have? And so on, checking it off. And he was quite ruthless at times. This was during the period of Christ and he had heard of Jesus the Christ. But in his way of thinking, Jesus was more like a rebel. Rebel rouser, you know. And he didn't have too high a regard for him at first. And as he went on through his life and he grew older and older, he came to the feeling, well, he had heard of him. Yes, I've gone up to hear him speak and see what he has to say. I've listened to him. Some of his ideas don't sound too bad. Some of them sound pretty good. I think I'd like to know that man better. And so on and so forth were his comments. As he got a little older in life, he found that the opportunity came to him to be one of the several groups of people who were conducting healing and following the life as Jesus the Christ had set it down
for the many people in that area, in that district. And you see, he had the opportunity to be a little bit more understanding with the people from whom he gathered the taxes, but he wasn't. And when this opportunity came to him, he waited and he said, well, no, that seems to be a life of poverty. I don't seem to get much out of that. And after all, my tax collecting brings me in more and so on and so forth. So he turned his back on his opportunity to understand more of life and more of Christ's teaching. And he stayed with the collecting of taxes with the Roman Empire. You see, he had the opportunity to choose one road or the other. And he chose one. But it was the road of the more material finances. It was the road that gave him authority over other people. Not in understanding, but the authority to get from them what they had. He missed the boat. And when he passed from that lifetime, he said, what have you learned from this experience?
What has it meant to you? He said, I missed an opportunity. I missed the principles of living. I have done many things which has caused me sorrow
and which has caused thousands sorrow. Not simply because he collected the taxes. We all have to pay taxes. But it was the way in which he collected the taxes. And he knew that he had done wrong not only to those people, but to himself. And so he chose to come back as a minister. He said when he got ready to reincarnate again, I'm going to teach the word of living, of right living. I'm going to serve people. So you see, here he was in this lifetime coming to that very same decision in himself. Am I going to follow the truth or the principle I know within myself, or am I going to go after more of the material value? And after he had come back into his present understanding of himself as Reverend Reed in this lifetime, he said, my decision is made. I marveled when he came out of that experience. He was very, very quiet for quite a while. And when he spoke, he said, Mr. Martin, my decision is made.
He said, I can see the pattern of my life. I can see the roadmap of my life. I will not turn again against the principles which I know and which I understand for any material value. I will not turn my back on the Christ again. And that's what it means to us to be able to look into ourselves and see why we came into life, why we are following the experiences that we are. When a person comes into life through the many, many experiences that Dad reviewed, and Dad helped others to review, I should say, we seem to come into life with a certain blueprint or a pattern, a light pattern of what we want to do. Let's put it on the physical plane. If you wanted to go to New York, the first thing you would do and you wanted to drive by car, the first thing that you would do would be to get a map. And you would decide whether you were going to take the northern route or the southern route. And you would decide what streets or what cities you want to stop at.
And if there were people along the way that you wanted to visit, you may drive out of your way to visit some little town or area because you wanted to see somewhere. And you would know exactly what you were going to do. You would know about the time that it would take you. That seems to be what we do when we come into life, this physical life. We seem to have, in the soul recordings of ourselves, just about how we're going to travel. We know what we want to accomplish. We know the important people that we are going to meet in our life. The people who will have an influence over us. Or the people to whom we are, over whom we are going to have an influence. Or our helpers, you might say. Even sometimes to the children that we have. Because there may be a lack of a lesson, too, that they have and need from us or that we are learning from them. And then in going over this pattern of ourselves, remember the conscious mind
doesn't always realize it. But the subconscious mind does. And the subconscious mind keeps us down our road, going down our path, more accurately than we could ever consciously realize. We know that we've done things that we haven't wanted to do. And sometimes we don't know why we've done some of the things that we have done. And sometimes we ask ourselves afterwards, why on earth did I do that? We have all had this experience. But if we knew what was working out in our soul pattern, we would not be amazed. We have found, in going over thousands of people's past lifetimes, that there is that pattern in their own heart or their own soul or their own subconscious self which urges them to do these many things. And we can see why. We can see a main purpose coming out. There are other times that we do things and we say, why on earth did I do that? It's something I never wanted to do. I will not do it again. We know that it could well have been
a tangent in this life that we took off of our chartered course. And many of us do go on tangents. You see, it takes a great lot of discrimination for us to know and understand ourselves. It takes a lot of discrimination for us to see why, and what we are accomplishing. One particular incident that comes to my mind right now with a past lifetime of a young woman who in this lifetime, at about the age of 23 or 24, suffered from a paralysis and the left side of her face and her arm was very much impaired. And it even drew her mouth down. She found it difficult to speak from that side of her mouth or from her voice. And she had a difficult time in using her hands. When she went back and she had prayed a long time, she had gone into many meditations within herself to understand why. And she had gotten glimpses, she had received glimpses, glimpses of the life in the early part of this country. And she wondered, what has this to do with me?
Am I seeing someone else's life or is it really my own? And so on. And she wasn't at that time too sold, we might say, or too understanding of the principle or of the theory of reincarnation. And it was a theory. It wasn't a knowing process to her. It was a theory, as it is to many of us even now. When she quieted herself and relaxed herself, one of the first visions that came to her was this scene in the early part of this country. And of all things, she was a young Indian girl. As a young Indian girl, they were in a tribe that was quite a peaceful tribe, not like the, like the Iroquois or the Blackfoot out here, not a very warlike tribe. And yet they made war on the whites if their ground and if their prerogatives were too stepped upon. She was a young Indian girl and at that time, many traders or trappers, fur trappers and so forth, were coming around. And one of them talked them into going with her, with him rather, pardon me,
one talked her into going with him. And he did a pretty good job of selling because she traveled with him for quite a little while and they traveled around the north and they were quite happy in the many catches of furs and foxes and so forth that they got. Until she told him one morning that she was pregnant. And this rather upset him. As we can well understand why. And he thought she's a good cook and so on and so forth. But my heavens, I can't take a pregnant woman around with me. This is just more than my life in the woods will allow. So he suggested to her that she go back to her tribe. And she said, I can't go back to my tribe. I've left them. I know what will happen to me if I go back to my tribe, to my tribe. And he said, well, can't you go and live in the white villages? And I will come back and pick you up as soon as I make this trip and so on. He was rather bypassing. And she said, I don't feel that I can live with the whites.
I know nothing of their customs and you are the only white man that I have ever known. And so he said, well, you decide. And by tomorrow morning, we will make up our minds what to do. When she woke up the next morning, there was a gun by her side. But no tramper. He had left sometime during the night. And he had left it up to her either to take the road to the white people, to take the road back to her tribe, or to do whatever she wanted. And she realized that she was trapped. There was no place that she could go. And so she stood and she pointed the gun at herself and pulled the trigger. And she shot off the right, left side of her face. In going back, she realized, after she had passed life, had passed through this death and looked back on it, she realized the decision that she had made. She said that she was a young Indian girl at that time, about 22, 23 years old. And that is the reason that at 22 or 23 years of age in this present lifetime,
she had suffered this paralysis. She understood what she had done to herself. When she understood what it meant to commit suicide, when she understood the whole panoramic view of what happens before and after and the pressures that build up to a suicide, she said, never again will I take life. And so in this life, she had come back again and had gone through that period of retesting herself. She recognized her husband in this lifetime. He was the white fur trader, the trapper that had been her companion. She recognized the son that she had. And the son was her unborn baby that she had killed. You see, we draw these many, many things to ourselves and we wonder why. Her husband in this lifetime had been very kind and very patient with her. He had been very helpful to her, not only materially, but in a spiritual way. You see, they were paying their debt to each other. And even when she received this paralysis attack, he was more understanding.
Although he did not believe in reincarnation, he knew nothing of this line of study, his own natural innate self showed such beauty of understanding, such love and such sympathy that she knew that he was a great soul within himself. Look around you and see and try to understand your problems. The people you are living with, your parents, why were you with them? Your husband or wife, why are you with them? Your children, why are you with them? If you have problem children, if you have crippled children, why? You see, we are all equal. We are born equal. But some of us have greater problems than others. And in our true equality, we are equal in the depth of ourselves. Although physically and outwardly, we don't always manifest this great equality. But look deep within the souls and the hearts of people. Look deep within the soul and the heart of yourself. As she went back
into her life again, in her past life, to discover why she had a crippled grandson,
she asked the question before she went into her past reverie, what connection have I with him? And she was taken back at a time of Genghis Khan. And she recognized in the events or in the movie picture almost, of her life. And she recognized this soul, this grandson. And she saw him as a terrific, brutal, brutal person. When she realized this and saw this picture of him, she realized why he had come in a deformed body. He had come in a body that the doctor said, had there been a mercy killing at the time of his birth, his would have been it. There were practically no joints in his body that worked in the right way. He was, I believe, nine or ten years old before he was ever allowed to come home. He had stayed in the hospital most of that time and had operation after operation. And when she asked in her deep meditation why he had taken this on himself, she was told that he had done so much to others in the past that he needed this experience
for him to know what it was to live in this type of body. He's a wonderful soul now. And his job is teaching crippled children. He is teaching in a crippled children's home. And he is an example to them. They look up to him of what he's been able to accomplish with the body that he has. And it gives them new hope. It gives them new understanding. They know nothing of reincarnation. They only know his valiant example of what he is doing with the body that he has. A person goes into an experience of this type, if you ever want to try it yourself, and you well can, sit down in a chair. Don't lie down on a bed. You're likely to go to sleep, most people. Most people think of beds for sleep and subconsciously and consciously they just go to sleep. Sit down in a comfortable chair, relax, and start this process of remembering back. Just remembering back. Remembering at the earliest time that you can in this particular period. When Dad was putting people back,
he had us all sit very, very quiet. And I didn't realize exactly what was going on because he put me back into a past lifetime. And in this lifetime that I went into, it was very difficult to get back in. He had tried a number of times with me and I had, I would get relaxed up to the point of my throat and then I would swallow. And I would swallow again and swallow again. And I think, well now it's relaxed, I'd even rub my throat and so forth. And pretty soon I was swallowing again. When I went into this lifetime I had committed a suicide by cutting my throat. And I realized why I had brought this condition back with me. It had in my early years impaired my speech and I lived all the time. And I wasn't able to talk plain no matter what I said. And dad and mother had given me elocution lessons and special exercises of the big black bug with the big black bear and so forth. And I had to say these many, many times. They never did free up
my speaking and free my voice until I had, after I had gone into this lifetime where I had cut my throat. And when I went through that experience and it wasn't a gruesome experience as it sounds to go through, I realized and I erased, so to speak, from my mind the impingement, the impairment impingement that were in my subconscious self and it freed this condition of my voice. I went back in. Everything was quiet. Everyone was quiet. In going back into any period of yourself or in seeing anyone else go back into a past period, we must remember that the present time now does not exist to them. I had gone back to a period approximately 300 years ago. Well, 1960 just didn't exist. I was back in another century, you see. And the senses, our smelling sense, our feeling sense, our hearing sense is intensely refined during that period of recall. And things must remain very quiet in the room. I know in some of our experiences some people's lives
are really hilarious. They were so funny and we would get to laughing and we couldn't laugh out loud that we would have to sometimes get up and tippy-toe from the room and really laugh and laugh ourselves out until we come back. But you see, we made ourselves just a short laugh or break you might say because we didn't know always what we were missing and so not wanting to miss anything, we would hurry back. And when people would come out, they would, they weren't bewildered but they were very quiet. And before Dad allowed them to open their eyes, he would have them, in speaking to them softly, he would have them entirely oriented with their feeling and with their condition. He would bring them up to present time. He would ask them to mentally recall their name, recall the date on the calendar, recall where they were, why they were here, and so forth. He would completely orient them before he would have them open their eyes and tell us more
of what they had been through because this is true. When you would go home tonight and although all of you are sitting there watching me, if you were to go home tonight and your wife or your husband were to ask you what color dress did she have on, say, well, I don't know. I looked at her face but I don't know what she did have on. And what color, what color earrings did she have on or did she have any earrings on? What color was her hair? So forth. Why you'd say, well, I don't know. But yet if you would imagine yourself sitting here even as you are now, right back in the condition, and someone would call to your attention if any earrings does she have on, you would instantly know. See, your subconscious mind is picking up much more than you realize. Consciously on the surface. And this is what happens when you go back into a past period of yourself. That's the reason why they say that our subconscious minds are such faithful tape recorders
that not a trick is missed. Because our subconscious mind, more than the tape recorder, can pick up sound, can pick up color, can pick up taste, can pick up smell, can pick up feeling, can pick up all these senses can pick up an inner knowing that the tape recorder can't. When you come out into a lifetime like this, then you're able to tell much more of your experiences than the questions asked you during this particular time. And so that is the reason then when Dad had people come back into present time, keenly aware of themselves, who they were, why they were, and so forth, he would wait a minute until they would start talking. And some of the things that they revealed to us that wasn't brought out by the questions and the answers that they had given were tremendous. Many political things were brought out. Many spiritual conditions were brought out. Many physical living conditions were brought out. We had one gentleman go back
into a past lifetime. He had no reason to go into this particular lifetime except that he was researching just as my father was. And if there was anything to reincarnation, he wanted to know about it. And he wanted to be able to prove it to himself. He went back into a life in the early part of this country where he was in the Middle West. And in this Middle West, he had been a recorder of deeds in a certain courthouse. And many people were home for him. And they were doing homesteading at that time. And they were laying out stakes and they were laying out claims. And he was doing all this recording. And it was a very uneventful life as far as being a spectacular personality or having a great ability. He had two children. And he was very nice with those children. But at the age of 16, out you go. You're on your own. I've supported you long enough. And different things like that, that were quite temporary in those days. When he went back,
of course, we recorded everything through which he went on paper. We recorded the name of the courthouse or the little law offices where he would do the granting, where he would make out the claims. We recorded many of the conditions in the life in this town around there. When he came back, he was able to tell us again much more than when he went back. He was able to tell us what he was going through. He recognized, in his lifetime now, he recognized two people who had been with him in a former lifetime. And he recognized them as homesteaders in that age, in that period. And about six or eight months after he had this experience, he made a trip west. He went to the little town. Still a little town. He went to the recording offices and asked for certain law books and grants and so forth. And he found his name written many, many times. He went to some of the old families in that section and asked them about, in their family history,
what they knew about certain things and so forth. And he hadn't been a well-known figure, but he had been a figure well-known enough that some of the descendants remember that they had been told by their parents back, back, back of such conditions as happening in the land-granting time, in the homesteading time. And he found several reports of himself in some of these histories. That was his proof to himself that we do have places in our lives now, which are a blank, but they have a recording in the personal history of ourselves. We have a reason for being here. We have a purpose for doing what we're doing. And when we take a look at ourselves, on the inside of ourselves, we find that we have as great a space to conquer, in our memories, in our minds, in our lifetimes, as our government has in exploring the universe and trying to get to Mars or trying to get to Jupiter. One experience that Dad had in going back was a young scientist
in this lifetime who had been present at a time when there were quite wonderful aircraft in that period. He described the aircraft that kept coming and going. He described what seemed to be glorified spaceships of what spaceships seem to be now. He was in a period of time when there was great turmoil on the Earth. There were a few people who had gathered together and had taken off in these spaceships and his particular spaceship into which he was getting was not able to leave the ground for some reason or other. There had been some great explosions and earthquakes. And after a time, he came to himself yet in his experience and he looked around and he said the place was practically devastation. He came out and he found a few people living. And he was in this condition for quite some time as far as earthly time seems to go before he described ships coming and bringing people to repopulate the area and the Earth. Past histories of ourselves.
We had one woman go back into a past lifetime in which she had a husband.
Pardon me. He wasn't a husband at that time. He was a husband in this lifetime. I have to remember this correctly. He was a husband in this lifetime. And when she went back, she saw herself in Germany. And she and her father, her mother had passed on, ran this little, let's see, in England they call it pubs. What do they call it in Germany? They serve the beer and the wines and so forth and all the happy... What? Hofbraten. They have the happy times. And there was a young composer that came, kept coming in. And he was very gifted at music. They would have him sit down and they would have him play and everyone would drink more and have a great time. And she, as the young daughter, would give him more drinks, more drinks, more drinks. Until she got into the condition that as he came back and back and back, he practically did what people call drank himself to death. And in this lifetime, she is married to him, he has always been a problem.
Because several times, she has been threatening to leave him. She has tried to leave him. She's tried to... Pardon me. She's tried to go away. But for some reason or other, she was always drawn back. I can't leave him. I can't leave John. What will he do without me? So the next time then, he would get pretty well sober. He would vow never to do it again. And he would remain faithful and so on and so forth. And in a short time, he would be in the same condition again. And she would want to leave him again. Three, four different times, she definitely went away and left him. And each time, something made her come back. Now, it wasn't her conscious mind. She was a decision. Shall I or shan't I? But you see, it was this whole record of herself, this whole path. Because she needed to help him out of this condition. And when she realized she needed to help him out of this condition, rather than leave him in the condition like she had before,
she stayed with him. And through the Alcoholics Anonymous, through several organizations that he tried to receive help from, they gave him great inspiration. They gave him great help. He was able to clear himself of this condition. And of all things, for the first time in his life, he started to compose music. He started in, with the same grin that he had left before, with the same thing that he had left undone. And some of the marches, some of the pieces that are now played, and one particular piece that is played over in the Westminster Abbey, was composed by this gentleman. About ten years after he had completely been able to break himself from the drinking habit, he passed out of life. But his wife was so glad that again, she hadn't passed up the opportunity of helping him over a condition which she had allowed him to get into, in which she had willfully wanted him to get into. We have these many opportunities, pardon me,
we have these many opportunities within ourselves. We have these many responsibilities within ourselves. And always we don't know why. Always we don't know who we were in the past, what we did. But always we know that we are here for some purpose. We are working out some problem. In our mind, in our heart, even a problem in our physical body. And it doesn't always make a difference if we know what caused it. Although it helps us to understand a lot if we know all the background history. But whatever the background might be, we know that we have an opportunity this life to correct and balance. If you know what the cause has been, all well and good. If you don't know what the cause has been, realize this, that our understanding of the problem, our understanding of what we want to do about it, our understanding of what we don't want to manifest in our lives and to happen, our reaction to our everyday problems is what determines whether we are making
greater problems for ourselves in the future or whether we are clearing and balancing the books of our life. You see, these conditions in our life don't just pass on and leave no recording. They just don't pass on and are never paid. We pay them to ourselves. I know over here in hmm just off the Hollywood Freeway, Glendale, on Glendale, there was a publishing house called the New Age Publishing House and Dorothy Thomas operated it, Dorothy Thomas and her husband. And they were very lovely people. I liked them very, very much. I understand now that she's out around 29 Palms or out in that area. But anyway, they were going through quite a few ups and downs in their publishing business. And one fellow from the Orient, and he was a yogi fellow, and I have great respect for the yogi people and some of their philosophies and understanding. But this one, well, just as all of us, they have some things to learn. So he had quite a bit of publishing done.
And when she would ask them and when he would ask them to please, would they pay something on the bill, at least something if they couldn't pay at all, he said, don't worry about it. You'll be paid either this lifetime or next lifetime. Don't worry about it. You see how people can use an understanding of this as a scapegoat. You see how they can understand there's a way out. But technically, either in this lifetime or in the other lifetime, he will have to balance the ledgers of that account. Now, it's not that he owed her $100, but it's a fact that within himself, he wasn't willing to balance the books of his life. He was willing to cheat someone, so to speak, out of money that he owed. He had a principle within him of wanting to get something for nothing. We don't. We may think we do. But in the recording of ourselves, there's a black and white record. Of what we do and what we don't do. Of our, as the Bible calls them, sins of omission
and our sins of commission. Our principles in this lifetime should be to live each day, to live each hour, to live each minute and each second. That in facing, in retrospect, the results of every day and every hour, we will be able to look at the history, the personal history of ourselves and say as God would want us to say, well done, thou good and faithful servant. We are our own judges. And if at the end of a day or an hour or a minute, we look back and say, we wish we hadn't done that. As God, we have the opportunity in our thinking, in our relations with people to again come back or to do tomorrow what we failed to do today. It's an opportunity, it's a privilege to look into the lives of people. It's an opportunity and a privilege to look into our own lives and realizing the balancing and the eternal vigilance that we must keep. Let us all pray and hope that tomorrow's life will bring us the understanding that we are thankful
for what we did, for what we said, for the principles for which we stand and for our part in this drama of life.
Is there a reason for an individual to suffer unreasonably whenever decisions have to be made? I think perhaps one of the reasons that a person, so-called quotation marks, suffers unreasonably when they have to make decisions is that they have previously made them on the wrong basis or they have previously made the wrong decisions. And in their heart they know this. In their subconscious minds, they know this. And so it puts a fear, sort of a fear into a person. What shall I do? I don't want to be wrong. I can't be wrong this time. And many times in a situation like this, they become what some Scientologists call the maybe state. Maybe I will and maybe I won't. Maybe I can and maybe I can't. Maybe I'll do this and maybe I won't again. I think what happens is that they don't know themselves. They haven't made the contact between this conscious mind and their deeper subconscious mind in meditation or in prayer. And if we don't know ourselves
and we don't know how to get into the inside of ourselves, how to deal with it, become alert to the so-called hunches or premonitions within, then we suffer unreasonably in life. The reason I think this person is in this condition is to teach them more conscientiously, more alertly, to understand themselves within, to have their inner communication system between their conscious mind, their subconscious mind, and their God or superconscious self. When two or more are united in God or in understanding, let us say, since this is an understanding group, when two parts of your mind, your subconscious and your conscious mind, are united in understanding, the answer will be given to you. It will be the right answer. But the answer doesn't come out from many people. It doesn't come from the outside. It comes from within. Concerning intelligence, do all souls have the same intelligence but vary it according to the needs of the life?
Or does intelligence develop as the soul does, which would explain low social conscience with low minds? We could liken our life to a beautiful tapestry. If we had a beautiful tapestry back here, you all know what a tapestry is. It's a beautiful weaving of many colors and many, it could be trees or scenes. And if we would say, I came down this time to perfect the rose, and this time I came down to perfect the leaf, and sometimes we come down maybe to perfect the little thorn that's in that pattern. If we leave any part of this rose undone, then we have to come down and redo that again. Maybe it's a short life. Maybe it's just a little thing that in this tapestry of our life that we left undone. And so maybe we don't need to make a great so-called splash in life in order to correct this little thing. But whatever's before us to do, we need to do it as thoroughly, as honestly, as deep to the principles of good moral and spiritual living
as we know how. I think sometimes we come down with not too great a problem and not too many tools
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to solve that problem with. That isn't saying that in the deeper soul of ourself we're just as great as anyone else, because we are. You see, in our soul, in the spiritual part of ourselves, all men are created equal. We don't always express it in every lifetime, that equality. But the innate part of ourselves has the greatest intelligence, the greatest love, the greatest understanding. We here are a mere part or a shadow of our greater selves. Does that answer your question, dear? That's true.
And the Christian belief has the principles. Look back into the Christian belief and you'll find many great principles. But the greatest principle of all is love. Look back in the Mohammedan religion and you'll find that the greatest principle of all is love. There are about 835 different ways of saying do unto others as you would that others would do unto you. It appears in every religion. It's a principle of religion. And I think that people with high intelligence, they may not understand it as the name religion, or they may not understand it as the name Christian, or Mohammedan, or Yogi. But just so they have the principle, that's what counts. A rose by any other name would be as sweet. Where do we spend our time between reincarnations? And what do we do during that period? Thank you for that question. That's something that I should have talked about earlier. In between lifetimes, we naturally live in a different density
than we are in now. The planets seem to be places where people go. We had one woman who had lived quite a hectic life on this earth. And it was a life of terrific possession, both of things and of people. And when she went out of this incarnation, she still stayed around the earth. She was what could be called an earthbound soul in a way. She stayed around these conditions. She had found a very sickly young lady and stayed around her to the point when the lady left, and the lady left with very weak and very weak and very, what word do I want, a weak and not a strong vibration, very unhealthy diseased vibration. The other soul of this woman came in and occupied that body and it was a changed personality. From then on, we've heard of these in psychology and psychiatry, of changed personalities. The earlier soul had moved out, had vacated the body, but it wasn't allowed to take its last breath. The other soul moved in immediately,
the disembodied soul. And while it was the same body, the whole personality was changed. And the other soul, when it was, when it was out, sometimes did try to come back because it hadn't been the time of its passing. And the soul who had taken over this young woman's body had forced herself back in and would not allow this other spirit or mind entity to come back in. So you see, she had stolen a body, so to speak. And when she passed from this stolen body, and she lived it in, in a matter of about ten, eleven, let's see, about eleven and a half years, when she passed from that body, she was taken into some terrific conditions on some other planets. And she spent, she imagined, about, a period of about two thousand years in living in some terrific conditions, visiting one planet and then the next, and learning in herself not to steal and take over the greatest possession that a person has, their body through which they express.
I think we, I think we visit many planets. I think we visit many conditions in life. We aren't, we aren't subject to the three-dimensional world. I think we visit many other dimensions or densities in our living. And in between lifetimes, we seem to go to schools of learning, that, that teach us to look back into our past lifetimes, to decide what we're going to do in the next lifetime, and to live a better now. In fact, that's the three conditions of living. Recognize the past, or what you can of the past. Let it determine your reaction to now, so that the future may be more perfect. She's answered five questions. She's answered part of this, but it's still a very interesting question. Do we reincarnate over and over again? Is there an end to it sometime? Yes, bless our hearts, I hope so. In studying people's past lifetimes and going over them, having Dad put people through, we seem to form a pattern of how people live
and why they live and what they do. And some people came back quite rebelliously. They didn't want to come back and no way would they come back. You've heard people even speak up this lifetime. If I hear about reincarnation, I don't believe it. I never want to come back. I'm never going to come back. This is all I want. They have a rebellious nature inside themselves, somewhere in their deep subconscious that they may not show it. They may be perfectly beautiful, lovely, wonderful people, but somewhere there's a pressure. Something has forced them into life. We seem to come into life just like a little child. You take a little child and send it to school and for a while it wants to go. Then when it gets into problems in school, either with its people or with its teacher or its little students, it doesn't want to go back. And there comes a time when you have to make it go back. Yes, you dress it up and push it out. You make it go back.
And then there comes a time when all those rough edges are knocked off. People who live life more perfectly or are more adjusted the way we want to, then we come back only by choice. Only by something that we have left undone or something that we want to do to someone else or maybe something that we want to do for a whole group of people. I think an Abraham Lincoln was a man of that time. He knew the turmoil. He knew the trend of the mass thought at the time. I think a person like Washington and Lincoln chose to come back to be the leader of the people at that particular era. And it was a choice of not something that they had to do, but that they wanted to do, a service. And I think we have, after we have gained a stability within ourselves, we have the privilege of coming back only if we want to. And if we don't want to, goodness knows, in all of outer space, in all the densities of life, in all the whole universe, there are so many, many places to go.
And we can all go there. What is the average length of time between incarnations? Do you change sex? Male, female, she means. First question. Generally, 50 to 100 years approximately. Yes to the second question. And I base my answer on this experience we had. I know of a, in the Civil War, she's a woman in this lifetime. She's a mother in this lifetime. In the Civil War, she was a general and had gone to war. Her wife had been about two months pregnant when this general went into the Civil War and was killed. She was born as that child. So you see, she was her own father. And this can become complicated. This can become complicated. But she was her own father. I've heard this song on my own grandmother or grandpa. This truly happened. In her lifetime experience of events, you see. And she was the father. She came back in and she was born a, a girl at that time in the female body. And during that lifetime, she lived until about 37,
38 years of age. And it was a terrific time, even during part of the world, I mean, the Civil War. Of course, she was a youngster. But her greatest work was in the recovery of both the North and the South. And she worked a lot in that period.
Is it true that tracing back into other lives and ourselves can help people over their emotional problems in this life? It can. I think if we watch our fears, we look at the fears that we have. If you want something more positive, look at the blessings that you have and try to find out why you have them. If you have a beautiful voice, like my friend down here, Christine has a gorgeous voice, more than one lifetime to train a voice such as she has, look at our blessings, look at our talents. Even look at the talents of young children, protégés and so forth. Again, to get into the more negative or less-wanted aspect, look at our fears and we can see where they come from. Maybe they haven't stemmed from this lifetime. I remember one incident of a woman who hated cats. Mine was how she hated cats. And she was taken back into a past lifetime. Being a little waif into debt. And she knew no mother, she knew no father. All she knew was that she was
just this little girl. And she would go to a temple and the temple was surrounded by a huge wall. And often they would dump their garbage over it a couple times a day. And there were many of them who would get what they could out of that throwing away of the garbage. About every equinox and every solstice that would be two solstices, two equinoxes, that would be four times a year. They would open up a small part of the temple grounds and have the people come in and go through a ritual which was supposed to bless them for health, happiness, and prosperity and so forth. And one time she went into one of these and she hid herself in the temple hoping that when the doors were closed that she would be safe inside there and she would be able to eat because all she knew was here was food. And when the priest caught her there he took her before a huge altar that they had and they had cats at that time and they performed many of their
temple rituals with cats and with dogs because cats and dogs have a high psychic vibration or emanation. So she was taken before this cat, a huge cat there, and she was told to look straight into the eyes of the cat and the priest there pronounced a curse on her and was told that whenever, if ever she set his foot inside the temple again or came into any condition where she was not supposed to be that such and such would happen and it was a terrific curse, you see. You can understand why this lifetime then she hated cats. She had two daughters, about 13 and 14, or 15 years old. And after she reviewed this lifetime and she had told them of her experience they realized that she needed help. You see, this had been one of her fears. And they said, well, Mother, if we give a little baby kitten because we love cats and anything baby, if we get a little baby kitten and you help us go take the little kitten and train it and so on and so forth,
wouldn't that help you get over this terrific fear? And she said, we'll try. And that made her realize how a dominant factor in another lifetime can even affect the fears and the upset emotional conditions of this lifetime and how it's usually a cause that doesn't exist now but it still has its effect on us. What proof is there that
these past experiences are one's own individual experiences and not something drawn from the great fund of our knowledge? Might it not be long before we can be someone else? That's a good question, too. I've often wondered if we would take a Secretary Hagerty to the presidency and we would say three lifetimes from now, send him back into this lifetime, that's what he does now. He quotes the president. He knows the president's every mood. He knows how he feels. He knows how he thinks. He knows how he sits. He can probably, as an imitator, imitate to perfection President Eisenhower. If we would take him, say three lifetimes from now, and take him back into this lifetime, what would he do? Would he go into the life of the president or would he go into his own life? What would he remember? Because the president's lifetime is more important to him now even than his own. When you get chances of lifetimes, unless you know your own self
and your own vibration, it's true, you wonder just what you are in. As of today, I know five Cleopatraids. Now that girl really got around if there are five of them going into incarnation now. So you see what they have probably done is gone into a sort of a patterned life because some of our great people have more or less patterned lives and they've committed some of the same crimes and then accomplished some of the great blessings that they have, and so we look back into those. But there comes a time in knowing yourself that when you go back into a past lifetime and you feel the sorrows, you feel the reactions, you feel the boats that you missed, you know the places where you missed out when everyone else is praising you and you say, yes, that was good, it looked good from the outside, but I know that this is what I didn't do and this is what I should have done and so forth. You have a great evaluation of your own life,
but getting back into someone else's life you haven't that same reaction to. And I know that in testing a person, my father would use several different tests to try them out. Were they merely reading a past lifetime of a superstition or a past lifetime of another person? Was it really one of their own lifetimes? And how deeply did they know that person? And this would come out many times. Did your father put his clients under hypnosis? No, he didn't. We had come down from Chicago. We were in Sharon, Pennsylvania. There was this gentleman that came down from Chicago and told dad that he had several problems that he would like to find out some answers to. And that's all he got, the only information that he gave dad and he talked generally about himself. So we then put him into a past lifetime. It was about 2.30 in the morning when he came out. He had gone through a period of five lifetimes in this state, in this area.
And when he came out, he looked at dad after this quiet period and he said, Mr. Martin, I know the difference between your work and mine. He said, I am a professional hypnotist. And he said, I can see exactly where our two roads branch off. Yours is in one direction and mine is in another. You relax the body exactly like we do, relaxing the physical body and so on and so forth. You relax the mind much like we do. We tell our people to go to sleep, our conscious mind to go to sleep and so forth. He said, you bring yours to an entirely different reaction. And he said, when this happens, he said, there is no one time that I lose consciousness of myself as myself. I may not always realize, and I don't, that I'm in the present time, that I'm in this body and I'm a professional hypnotist. I lose that understanding because that hadn't happened yet in my former lifetime, you see. And he said, I can see exactly the difference. And he said,
at any time, I could have quietly withdrawn from your vibration or your voice, the rapport with your voice, and I know that I would have come back up to my condition now as being in present time. So it is not a hypnosis. Although some of the avenues of getting ourselves quiet, relaxing ourselves, mentally, emotionally, and physically are quite the same. This maybe hasn't been answered already, but it ties in with another question that was asked. First, what is the purpose of the reliving? Second, is there another state of being in another world? The purpose of reliving is only to find out the cause of the effect that seems to be taking place now. If we're in a problem, it's the result of something. Something caused this problem. So if we know the cause, then we know what to do about it. There are some people who don't like to work that way. They look at the result here now and they want to do something about it and, pardon me,
to heck with the past. So that's exactly what they do. They don't go back into any past. So what am I going to do with the problem that I have now? And they work from that basis. Either is all right. Providing you get to the same goal. But to some of us, knowing why, knowing what we did that caused it or what we didn't do, makes it a lot easier to understand and to do what we want or what we know we have to do. Let's see, the second part of that question. Is there another state of being in another world, the next world, in quite the same vibration and understanding that we are now? Well, if I walk out of this door, or when I get to where those other gentlemen are back there, then I do what I would do in this room. Quickly after I get over there, because my senses aren't as dull. I see things quickly. My senses are stepped up or speeded up, so to speak. I haven't the dullness nor do I have the pressures of this everyday world
to deal with. So my senses are here and I think this is what we go into. Now, I think we keep on living life just as we are. We meet many friends. We meet many places. Some of our places are replicas of this world. Some of them are the same as this world, sometimes not in the same condition as in here. For instance, if we take ourselves now into a physical body and look around us, we're used to certain walls and certain trees and a certain density. We can raise ourselves into another density and be aware of all this two worlds at one time then. Likewise, when we speed up sensitivity and our senses of ourselves, we see still a higher world and a deeper world. There are two things that take us into a deeper world in our physical eyes. We can go by the way of the telescope or the microscope. It takes us into a world in which we cannot see with our physical eyes. The same way when we are out of the physical body, extend our senses into other realms,
we see much more and we see much more of even some of the same things. So I think it is a different state of reality. I think it's a different state of seeing what we already know. And he sat there and he had been a robo. He had been in England and I mean he had been a rogue there. And this lifetime he's a highly respected businessman. And so when he realized some of the conditions he had been through and what he himself had reacted to, he said, Mr. Martin, I've been a saint and I've been a sinner. And I believe that maybe that's the way we all have been.
All right, Richard. Have you ever had a person in this life that you recognized in another time? Do they have the same physical appearance? Yes, there have been people recognized. That and sometimes would, particularly when they were a family or a varied group that works together, a very close group of friends that work together, live together. He would have them open their eyes and ask them if they would recognize anyone. Now, we must realize that being a different body is quite the same. Well, here I am, Lois, and I'm in this body and I have this dress on. Now, if I go home and put another dress on, a pair of Levi's on and a blouse, I know I'm still Lois, you see. It's the soul of ourselves that's the same. We have a body to operate through and we close the body. When Dad would have people open their eyes, they would see not the person, not the physical body so much, but they would look at the person into the soul of them and they would recognize them
by the soul. Now, when Dad would have people open their eyes, they would see not the person, not the physical body so much, but they would look at the person into the soul of them and they would recognize them by the soul. Now, quite often, their future, pardon me, their former lifetime had effects upon this lifetime, particularly if it was a problem they had to have or if they were in the same vibration or soul learning. Then their features may be quite the same, but that wouldn't come out until later he had brought them up to time and they say, oh yes, you look a good deal like you did before. I should have recognized you had this part of my mind been open to me. And so, if I had been open, I would have recognized you right away. Of course, I didn't know about this other lifetime before, but you are quite the same. Again, it may be entirely different because when a person takes on a physical body, they build that body the way they want to,
but remember, they build it from the genes and chromosomes from the chemical balance of the mother and heredity in that line has something to do with each body into which we come. Do you think it's fair to say that the physical body of the mother is the same as the physical body of the child? Do you think it's fair for a person to suffer a lifetime for some wrongdoing he did in a past life that he has no memory of? Well, let this person answer the question themselves. Do you think it's fair? Then, did you come into this lifetime accepting the suffering that you are going through? You see, somewhere in your soul, somewhere in your mind, you must have accepted it or you wouldn't be in it now. I was thinking myself to be going through any physical or emotional or spiritual and looking at other people that seemed to be under tremendous hardship or handicap and to think themselves basically nice people having a fair and then to be going through these hardships
is something they did when they might have done but they had no memory of it. Well, just because their mind hasn't recalled it, then, I'll tell you what that does. That would throw all of us in a sort of an amnesia of ourselves. A person who committed a bank robbery or a murder could go into a self-hypnosis of amnesia and his soul would be cleaned. You see, what a person does, they don't need to pay back penny per penny so to speak. That's not a good thing. That's Caesar's way of doing the things. But what in them allowed them to do something wrong, it was a weakness in their own character. Now, what they're doing now isn't paying back penny by penny to that person or act by act to that person. What they're doing now is refining the own soul. That each soul, after it goes across and reviews what it has done and it hasn't done, it makes the choice of even when to make this retribution or this balance to itself. And after it has made that, then it comes down and that memory is quite clean,
you see. And when we look at it, in the way of balancing and in the way of refining these chains or character chains, links in the chain of character within ourselves, it's not a soul suffering unless we make it so. It's not a rebellious thing on our part. It becomes understanding on our part to be true to the path of our destiny. And if you don't believe in the path of your destiny, you have to make the decision to follow the path of your destiny. So, that's what it don't think, would be a creator's way of showing justice and love. But each time we come down with a problem, we bring down these tools to solve it. And we have only to use those tools the way they
should be used in order to balance what we need to clear out within ourselves. Where can any one
of us find someone who will do as your father did, help us regress and know why things are as they are, and also perhaps see a future existence with those we now know? I wish dad was still here.
He left sort of in a hurry. He was preparing to write another book even and didn't get too much of it done before he left. I know there are many people who have worked along this line and have had relatively good success with it. Ken Broman, I believe, is in this area. He has had some good success with it. There are people in, I think, Scientology or Dianetics that work into taking people back
through the problems of themselves. I think the greatest way is to do it within ourselves. I think the greatest way to discover ourselves is not trying to depend on any outside person or another being, but I think it's a process. I think it's a process. I think it's a process. I think it's a problem of sitting down, analyzing ourselves, taking a good look at ourselves, taking a good
look at our likes and our dislikes, our relationships with people. Are we satisfied with them or aren't we? Are we doing the things that we feel inside we should do, or are we carrying a chip around on our shoulder? All these little things are like mirrors to ourselves. And if we start looking at
ourselves in the right direction, we're going to be able to see the things that we should do. And if we start looking around, it's the right kind of a mirror, all these things will be revealed to us. What's even in your dream state, your dreams and what you go through in your dreams are symbolically some of the things that have happened in your past. This ties in with what she was just talking about, to go back to a former life, must one go into a
state of self-hypnosis? Regan Wilson Don't think of it as a state of self-hypnosis. If those doors were closed, why would you go back to your dreams? Why would you be in a state of self-hypnosis? The? Let's take this one. We're all looking this way. If these drapes were drawn, and that represented another lifetime, because it's in back of me. It's another lifetime. And I wanted to go back in there. I wouldn't have to hypnotize myself and command myself to open those doors and to so on and so forth to get back in there.
I could simply sit down quietly, calm myself mentally, calm myself emotionally, and I could either project myself into there without using my body, or I could say, all right, there's something in there for me.
I will open the doors. I will pull back the drape. In a way, in a strict... terminology of the hypnosis, it may well be called self-hypnosis, because you're telling one part of your mind to be quiet and listen to what the other part of your mind has to say.
And in this way, if telling one part of your mind to be quiet, to relax, and don't do so much thinking, but do some listening for a while, and I'm talking of our conscious mind.
Don't do so much thinking, but do some listening for a while, then it could well be called self-hypnosis.
It's all in a matter of what we want to accomplish within ourselves, what part of ourselves we want to listen to, and what part of ourselves we want to reveal to our understanding self.
[01:47:41] Questions and closing discussion
There are four questions here, but there are only two here that perhaps pertain, because the others have been answered.
And one is partly answered. First, has one a choice of parents? And second, if all are born equal, why are some deformed? I think we do have a choice of parents. After we have reached a certain stage in life, if we were to take our grade school, for instance, you live in a certain district, and you're told to go to a certain school, and there you have a certain teacher.
Now, you have no choice of that teacher. That's because you don't know enough, you see. We're still... We're still from, what, one to the eighth grade. So we take what's there before us. We're told where to go and when to go. But after we graduate from high school, we choose what college we want to go to. We choose what subjects we want to take. Even in high school, we choose our courses. And I think that's the way it is in life. There comes a time when, after we have been told, like a little kindergarten child, that, yes, you must go, and so on and so forth, there comes a time when we're able to choose. Why? Because we have the self-development and the discernment within ourselves to be able to choose. But we have to earn this. And it's something we develop in ourselves.
If we are all born equal, why are some deformed? Remember I said that we are equal in the soul or spirit of ourselves.
And we are sometimes come back into a deformed spiritual body, a physical body,
only because we have a lesson to learn in that deformity, which we didn't learn in a full, undeformed body.
It may have been a lesson to ourself, what we had done to ourself. Or it may have been like this little boy that I told you. It was born so deformed. When he knew what he had been in the past, he had been a member of the Genghis Khan group, and he had caused much suffering, much deformity to other people. He needed to take on that condition himself, to learn and to understand, never to do that again.
He was forced to live in that body himself. Are you presently carrying on your father's research? If so, how will a person reign for? Or an appointment? I'm carrying on the research rather spasmodically with a group in Covina.
And lately we haven't been able to do too much work there, partly because of sickness of one of the wife in whose home we are there, and partly because some of my own work. By profession, I follow my father's accounting work. And my position right now is rather heavy. In the corporation that I'm with. And so it's been rather curtailed. But what I'm trying to do, and want to keep on doing, is to follow and write for my father, or finish for my father, his second book. Because, you see, he had beautifully started it. Can a dream of myself drowning in the ocean mean I died in my life before this present one? And how many past lives can we recall or go through? Well, we have found no particular number.
One of Dad's ways of putting a person back, or premises, I should say, in putting a person back, was to go back to find the cause of certain conditions in this lifetime. The reason for certain things. So that sometimes a person would go through three or four, maybe three or four past lifetimes had definite reactions on this lifetime. There have been many more, we do not know. Or maybe there were a chain of lifetimes that brought out this one.
The going back and following through of any events seems to be that when we do something to another person, when we maybe kill, or when we terrifically wrong another person, we seem to either be able to clear that up in one lifetime, or sometimes it takes several. I think for the people who aren't willing to learn, and look around, look at yourselves and look around, you find many people who aren't willing to learn yet. They aren't in the stage of wanting to make a change. And if they don't want to make a change, well, there's not much you can do about it. Or if you don't want to make a change, there's not much you can do about it. You're simply taking maybe two or three lifetimes, what you could do in maybe two or three years of this lifetime. But when some people go back, they find a couple lifetimes that deal with this one, and we find that they have brought into this lifetime certain problems in their tapestry of life to finish,
and they have the ability to complete all of those, or they can turn their back and complete none of them. And this is a matter of sole choice. We can go to New York by the southern route, or we can go by the northern route, or we can start out and take all the tangents there is, there are, and every bypass that there is, and so-called never get there. Or ultimately, we can start going to New York like Corrigan did, by the way of Japan, and we'll eventually get there, but it'll be the wrong way around. And that's the way a lot of us do when we go through an experience, and the same thing hits us on the head, spiritually speaking, time after time after time, and gradually we wake up and we understand why that thing has been hitting us on the head. If a man in Jesus Christ's time, living now,
who saw him then, of course, could he describe Christ, and if he looks like the statues we have of him now? He probably could.
Well, I know he could describe him as he knew him then. If you people were to describe me to someone at home, some of you would say that I was very tall, and some of you would say, well, no, she wasn't very tall, and some of you would say, well, she's rather stout, and some of you would say, well, she's very fat, and some of you would say all different things, you see. It's depending how you look at a person and your evaluation of it. Now, this is the way I am tonight. If I follow my reducing program, you see me in five or six months, and you'll say I'm very thin, and you'll say that to another person, and she'll say, well, that isn't the lowest mark I saw because she was rather heavy. So, you see, it all depends on a person's timing and how a person evaluates. True, you might say, well, she's blonde. Twenty years from now, I may be gray, and you'll say, well, no, it's not the same person at all, or else she's done a lot of changing.
We all have these different evaluations that we go through of the person, and when we look at them physically, we see them physically, yes, but some of us, instead of looking at a person, we look through a person, and we see vaguely what's on the outside, but we see deeply what's on the inside. And I think some of the painters who have had visions of Christ and who have painted Christ have seen them from the inside, not so much the outside, and they've tried to make one match the other. There are so many beautiful paintings of Christ, and I know they aren't all the same. But what matters, the discrepancy in the outside, what really counts is the principle by which he lived and what he taught in the inside. In your experience, has it been found we always, in the present lifetime, are in association with persons known in former lifetimes? If so, why should this be? I think we're quite often in association with people
who we have been with in the past lifetime. Many new strangers come into our lives, and we look at them and we smile and we say, well, it seems to me I've known you before, and you seem quite familiar to me, and maybe you can't trace their pattern from New York to Florida out to here, and you don't know their past history, but there's something about them that you do know. We come into physical families for certain reasons, but we have a larger family, which I like to call a cosmic family, and our cosmic family is a good many more people than our physical family could ever be with our aunts and uncles and cousins and so forth. And we find that some people we're drawn to from a physical standard of life, but some people we're drawn to from a soul or spiritual or thinking pattern of life. And whatever it be, our associations of the past, somehow, somewhere, our associations of the present, and somehow, somewhere, someplace,
some universe, some planet, we will meet all of us again in another existence. Several questions again, but this one here, what about will changing our predestined life? If we relax alone to review our past lives, how do we bring ourselves out of the trance? I think that's a good question because when we go back into ourselves, we don't go back with a half an hour to relax in and to meditate in and 10 or 15 questions to be answered all at once. In other words, that would keep us in for quite a long time if we're really delving deep into them. Take one question into your meditation and ask one question and ask to be shown the background or the cause of this problem or question. And when you come out, you'll come out almost as if you're waking up from a sleep. Sometimes it will seem to you that you have been asleep and it has been sort of a dream, and other times it will seem to you that you have seen a movie picture
and you have watched the playing of the drama before your eyes and you will recognize yourself into it. Going in with that understanding and going in with that feeling that what you need to know now will be revealed, will come to you and will be shown to you, will bring you back on time, in time and in perfect condition. Is it right to self-hypnotize ourselves if perhaps by releasing knowledge, such as knowledge needed to further talents, might hinder us in learning our life's lesson? And how can we know? I doubt if we could go back, take Emma for example, I doubt if she could go back and say, I want to be a singer because her whole pattern, her whole life has been planned that she did not have this talent because of what she needed to learn. Her body, her physical structure, her lack of the training of this body, wouldn't all at once produce that effect within her. I think that if we would go back and in a past lifetime
and ask for those things to be brought up to present date, I think physically, there would be a struggle because it would be going against our innate pattern. And I think the, what we would call the super-conscious self or the higher mind or the God self, keeps us so in, keeps our conscious mind so in alignment with what we want to accomplish that we follow through without desiring and have the burning desire to accomplish painting or accomplish the arts and the sciences that we may have left. So I don't think it is a big problem to us. I think it's just a matter of learning how to look at our abilities, looking how, learning how to look at ourselves and each day take a step forward in the perfection of what we already have revealed to us now. She told us, she gave us her name and because they had asked her name and what operas and what songs that she had sung in and so forth, that was all, this I didn't know consciously.
I wasn't aware of this consciously. Can this going back technique be done by one alone?
Does the technique involve hypnosis? It can be done by one alone. It can easily be done by one alone. You can have other people. Like I say, it is not hypnosis unless you want to term it that. Strictly in hypnosis, as I understand it, the person tells you to relax. They have something that fixes your attention like a swinging pendulum or something of that sort and they tell you where to go, they tell you what to do, they say, in several hypnotic sessions that I have watched or observed, they say, now you are a small child. You are living in another lifetime and so on and so forth. They tell you what you are and where you are and what to live through. You see, this is not the way Dad did. Dad had a person go back, directed them to go back to the cause and that produced the effect that they find in this lifetime. He didn't know where to tell them. He didn't know that they were a child when this event took place.
He didn't know whether it took place as an adult or what. He didn't know what sex they were. So he couldn't direct them back like hypnosis does. Although I understand that now hypnosis is taking a person into the trance state and then telling them to go back into the part of themselves that has something to do with this lifetime if they are working with that type of a hypnotist and certain things are revealed. I think hypnosis is branching out into a much broader field than it had been at the time that Dad was working his method. This will be the last two questions. It's approximately five minutes to eleven. We could probably go on until twelve o'clock. This subject is so interesting. This is such a wonderful group this evening. I know you're all seriously interested in this but you wouldn't be here at this hour. And that's wonderful. If our plan of life is in our subconscious at birth why is it that some entities become criminals and evil persons?
Are we given the choice during each lifespan to determine how we will live and does the early subconscious plan control us?
I think that we are given a lifespan to decide when we come into life.
Before we come into life I think we decide this I want to adjust within myself. This I want to try to overcome within myself and so forth. And when we come back here we still have free choice remember even consciously. We can absolutely refuse to do what's before us. We can absolutely kill our mother-in-law if we want to if we don't like her. Now that wasn't in our life pattern. No we just chose to do it. We can rob a bank. That's not something that's in our life pattern. Those are these tangents of life that I think we sometimes get into. And what does that do? That only adds to the weak link in our own character. And sometimes unless we live in balance with ourselves each day we find when we get through with this lifetime well this is one that I shouldn't have gone through at all. I have now more on the debit side of my spiritual ledger than I had when I started. And I can't charge it off as a bad debt or something or other.
I have to balance it. I realize that this is the whole of life. We cannot unbalance the universe. We cannot unbalance life. Now watch this.
Sometimes things look evil. But the final outcome is not evil. For instance when we went through the war and we were rationed on sugar and so on and so forth like that.
That may look like something bad. But really as a race and as a nation we consume much more refined sugar than we do. It's the cause of many of our ills and so on. So I think that some of these so-called things are only conditions by which we can react to in a better way.
They bring out a higher living. Some of them I think are definitely evil. And it wasn't decided at the beginning to be evil. Now I'm not going to make a lifetime. For instance if I'm going to go out tonight and come back in five or six years from now or even a hundred years from now. I'm not going to come back with the ideal. Well I'm going to cheat the government out of thousands of dollars of tax. And I'm going to become an Al Capone and so forth. I don't plan that in my life. I don't think basically we are evil. I think basically we want to balance. We want to live. But I think we get these temptations and we get these tangents of life. And the grass looks greener on the other side. So we make a beeline to go there. This concludes our program this evening except for one announcement I'd like to make. And first of all though I'd like to thank Lois Martin for coming here. And I think she has given us a wonderful talk.
And let's show our appreciation by a nice round of applause.
We hope to have her back sometime in the near future. And I'd like to make this announcement about our next speaker in July the 30th the last Saturday of the month. And it's going to be George King from England who is the founder of the Etheria Society. And he's going to speak at our unit on the subject titled the Third Satellite. And I'll read just a part of what we have here about the Third Satellite title. It's reported that the Third Satellite is a spaceship which orbits the Earth at given times of the year. There are two others which orbit the Earth almost continuously and which have been tracked on radar. Now if you are on our mailing list you'll get an announcement of this. And there will be some additional information too. So if you've enjoyed your stay here this evening and you are here for the first time perhaps. And you like this type of understanding. Please come back again and notify others that you think you'd like to see.
I'd like to inform about this subject because this subject is so interesting. It could change the world in which it is with a small group already changing the world. We now have 38 units of understanding throughout the United States and also we are going abroad. We have one up on the stand in Canada and there's one in the formation over in Japan. We need understanding all over. It's very apparent. So until our next meeting. I thank you again for coming and thank again Lois Martin for coming to speak to us. Mr. Harry Baker.
Mr. Harry Baker I'm glad to know you. He has to know you. Thank you.