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Undated Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Lee Yates Introduces Chan Thomas Includes An Intro 102

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• [00:00] Opening and introduction
• [38:07] First major segment
• [01:35:17] Second major segment
• [02:28:39] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening and introduction

Well, ladies and gentlemen, tonight we have a wonderful speaker. He's spoken for us before on ESP. But before we introduce our speaker of the evening, there are several announcements. First, there will be a ten-minute intermission following his talk, then a drawing for a door prize, and then a written question-and-answer period, and paper will be given to you for those who would like to write a question. And now, briefly about our speaker. You've had quite a report written up about his background. He's an engineering graduate at Columbia University, turned scientist, president and board chairman of Chan Incorporated, a research firm which has performed prime contract work for the Air Force and Earth Sciences, a director of the Computer Calculator Leasing Corporation, a former vice president of Photoscan, and a trustee of the Cancer Science Charitable Trust. This is a non-profit organization. He has done tremendous work in this particular field with regard to cancer and leukemia that was mentioned here,

and there is definite signs of a breakthrough here, which is a tremendous thing, once you grasp the significance of all the work that has gone into this and the wonderful results that are coming forth. And he will, I believe, mention these to you, but we wanted to bring this to you to let you know because this is something wonderful for the world, to begin with, the people around this, so that they can spread this information, and I'm sure it's going to spread. And we are doing our best to notify the radio and television broadcasting channels about this. We've already sent our notices. They know about it. And now... Now, in 1968, after his several years, I think it was eight years of work, this Cancer Science Charitable Trust was formed, and it's federally recognized as a tax-free foundation and dedicated to bringing the latest scientific knowledge concerning leukemia, cancer, and their treatment to the art of medicine.

Now, tonight he's talking about California earthquakes. We've all expected something would happen. It didn't happen. And at this particular... area here. And I personally had asked our speaker, Chan, before we had him lined up here to speak for us, what he thought about this, and he told me that it wasn't going to happen. He didn't think it was going to happen, at least at this time. Back in 1966, I first heard Chan Thomas speak at Dr. Frank Strange's convention in Los Angeles. And I thought, here was a tremendous speaker. Just tremendous. And shortly after this, why, we had Dr. Strange speak here. And who would appear with Dr. Strange is in the company of his friends, but Chan Thomas. So I got an introduction to him and asked him if he would speak for us. And he graciously consented, and we had a wonderful talk on ESP. And he is the platform speaker, known for his work on ESP. And he is the platform speaker, known for his work on ESP.

And he is the platform speaker, known for his work on ESP. And he is the platform speaker, known for his work on ESP. And he is the platform speaker, known nationally, from coast to coast, being in Arthur Godfrey's program, Joe Pine's program here, Johnny Carson's program. And this gentleman speaks with a great background in science. And tonight he's going to give us the benefit of the information and his conclusions on California earthquakes. And then he'll bring in, I'm sure, about the breakthrough in this country. And I'm sure he'll bring in a lot of information. And I'm sure he'll bring in a lot of information. And I'm sure he'll bring in a lot of information. And now it gives me a great pleasure to welcome again our speaker of the evening, Mr. Chan Thomas, who incidentally lives here in Westchester. Thank you very much. Chan Thomas.

It certainly is wonderful to look out on a sea of smiling faces. And we all look cheerful tonight because that earthquake didn't happen, did it?

Well, tonight, I had quite a lot of thinking this afternoon about what to say. because there is a way to understand earthquakes fully. We are told by the experts that there is no way to predict earthquakes, that no one knows how. Well, I have to say that back in 1959, in November 1959, as a result of my work since 1949, ten years of work in a non-recognized science, an unrecognized science of cataclysmic geology, I had for six months put that study to test. I felt that if there were any validity to this, which I had concluded there were, that it should stand the test of predictability. The essence of science is predictability. If you're... If you're going to find out whether a hypothesis or a theory is true, put it to the test of predictable results based on the theory and data obtainable. So I gathered what data I knew, what data I could, concerning earthquakes for six months and correlated it with the data I had gathered concerning cataclysmic geology

and predicted the major earthquakes over the years. over the world for the next five years. I gave this in a seminar in the Pentagon in November 1959.

I had no paper which I delivered. It was not written. It was verbal. The officers who were there from the Joint Staff, it was given for the Joint Staff, have been checked by the Kansas City Star since that time. They phoned all over the world to track these officers down to verify or refute whether I had made these predictions. And they found that, yes, I had made them. I hit every major earthquake for the next five years all over the world as to location and month. I missed Johannesburg in 1960 by two months. That was the only one I missed. I had the location, but the time was wrong. If you remember, in May 1960, there was a whopper down in Chile, right near Peru. There was the the Iranian earthquake, the Yugoslavian earthquake of 1962. I think it was September. I've forgotten these things. It was home. It really wasn't a major effort on my part. It was only a check on a total effort of cataclysmic geology. Well, now, if I could pass the tests,

if the work could pass the tests of predictability, then this science had a lot more to do with earthquakes than one would imagine. So in order to understand our topic tonight of California earthquakes, we must first have an understanding of cataclysmic geology. How many here have ever heard me talk about this before? I hope I won't bore you by repeating it again. Back in 1949, I stumbled across this thing called cataclysmic geology.

And if you want to look it up, if you look in the Encyclopedia Britannica under the article on geology, buried in the script, you'll find a couple of paragraphs about cataclysmic geology. It's more than geology. It covers, it embraces every science known, pertinent to our Earth. I think it should be called cataclysmology, the study of the cataclysms of our Earth. I found that this thought goes back to the very beginnings of geology. In England, there were three men, Hutton, Playfair, and Lyell. Now, Hutton was a mathematician, a minister, a son of a minister. He first came up with the concept of geology as we know it today. He wrote about tremendous gigantic geological upheavals. Playfair, a minister, son of a minister, enlarged on this. Lyell, a barrister, a lawyer, added to it. But each time it was changed, the flavor of geological upheavals was sort of subdued. Wiped out. And finally even denied by Lyell.

Our concept today of uniformitarian geology arose from the very basic fundamentals written down by these three great men. Across the channel in Europe, other forces were at work. Andre Deluc, who held the professorship in geology at the University of Göttingen in the mid 1700s, wrote his letters to Professor Blumenbach. And in here, in these letters, he first proposed the concept of cataclysms. He said that once every while, every few thousand years, the surface of the globe takes a revolution in an odd direction, and the resulting inundations wipe out all of life, and somehow it gets regenerated and starts all over again for a new cycle of more thousands of years. Dalamir, the man who discovered the mineral dolomite, he was a mineralogist, concurred with this. And later, the man who might consider to be one of the greatest scientists of all time, Georges Cuvier, in France, during the French Revolution, concurred.

The mind of this man was so tremendous in its broad concept, it's hard to encompass what he did. I'd like to mention just one thing. He's the father of the modern paleontology as we know it today. He was the first man to even conceive of the science of comparative anatomy. From his studies of fossil bones, he could correlate anatomy between all species to the extent that if you gave him a piece of a bone or a tooth of any animal, prehistoric or contemporary, he could reconstruct the entire animal from his knowledge, from his self-gained knowledge of comparative anatomy. His textbook on paleontology, first published in 1812, is still used today as a textbook. In his book, The Theory of the Earth, first published in 1812, he concluded that catechisms do occur. I'd like to read you some excerpts from his conclusions. He said, Every part of the Earth, every hemisphere, every continent, exhibits the same phenomenon. There has, therefore,

been a succession of variations in the economy of organic nature. The various catastrophes, which have disturbed the strata, have given rise to numerous shiftings of this continental basin. And he's speaking of Europe here. It is of much importance to mark that these repeated eruptions and retreats of the sea have neither been slow nor gradual. On the contrary, most of the catastrophes which occasioned them have been sudden. And this is especially easy to be proved with regard to the last of these catastrophes. I agree, therefore, with Messieurs Deluc and Dallemire in thinking that if anything in geology be established, it is that the surface of our globe has undergone a great and sudden revolution, the date of which cannot be much earlier than five or six thousand years ago. Also, one preceding revolution at least had put the continents under water, perhaps two or three eruptions of the sea. These alternations now appear to me

to form the problem in geology that it is of most importance to solve. In order to solve it satisfactorily, it would be necessary to discover the cause of these events. These ideas have haunted, I might almost say, have tormented me during my researches amongst fossil bones. There we have, which to me, is the greatest challenge ever laid down in science. It's greater than the challenge of space. It's greater than any challenge we have that we're solving today. Other men have joined later on this challenge. There's one of our contemporaries whom I'd like to quote, and that is Professor Frank C. Hibben, who's the chairman of the Department of Archaeology in the University of New Mexico. And his book, The Lost Americans, is a fabulous book. I think you can get it in paperback today. Be sure to get it. He said, this was no ordinary extinction of a vague geological period which fizzled to an uncertain end. This death was catastrophic,

and all-inclusive. What caused the death of 40 million animals? The corpus delicti in this mystery may be found almost anywhere. Their bones lie bleaching in the sands of Florida and in the gravels of New Jersey. They weather out of the dry terraces of Texas and protrude from the sticky ooze of the tar pits off Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. The bodies of the victims are everywhere. We find literally thousands together, young and old, foal with dam, calf with cow. The muck pits of Alaska are filled with evidence of universal death, a picture of quick extinction. Any argument as to the cause must apply to North America, Siberia, and Europe as well. Mammoth and bison were torn and twisted as though by a cosmic hand in a godly rage. In many places, the Alaskan muck blanket is packed with animal bones and debris in train-loaded lots. Mammoth, mastodon, bison, horses, wolves, bears, and lions. A formal population in the middle of the desert

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the soul gave birth while theyara revolutionarya in the middle it once and for all and the only way to do it was first to gather all known data accepted data from all the various earth sciences paleontology archaeology anthropology geology oceanography glaciology you name it anything to do with our planet and cross correlate this data to see what the picture was and the first thing i found was that i couldn't find where anyone else had ever done this we live in an age of specialization and each one stays on his side of his fence

and the first thing that i found also was that the cross correlation offered an irrefutable picture that this cataclysmic thing does happen whatever it is so the next step was to find the process what is it that happens then the next step was to find the trigger believe it or not we didn't find the trigger until last year well some of the more romantic data

which i like to talk about i'll share with you tonight for instance up in northeastern siberia north of the arctic circle the barasovka mammoth was found around 1900 and this beast has done more

to confuse science than any single find i think in the history of man but one man's work stands out above all the rest i believe he's a paleo biologist he's written one of uh the best

flying saucer books i know and i can't think of his name but he wrote on the biology of flying saucers uh ivan t sanderson right ivan t sanderson oh by the way how many here have read the condon

report the condon report i mean not a condensation the report it's in paperback you can get it how

many here have read the conclusions of it how many here have read what the newspapers say the conclusions are if you read the report itself you will see that there is no relationship between the conclusions and the body of the report the body of the report tends to verify the existence of ufos read it that's much more valuable than the conclusions it's in paperback you can get it don't read anybody else's commentary until you've read the report itself then you understand the commentaries all right ivan sanderson brought me to that by mentioning his name anyway sanderson approached this beast from a viewpoint different from anyone else from a frozen foods viewpoint when you freeze meat you have to freeze it fast enough

so that the water content of the meat doesn't have time to crystallize because if it takes time to crystallize if it has that much time it will destroy the fibrous structure of the meat and when you defrost it's nothing but a mass of goo and you can't do a thing with it you can't eat it's just nothing It just slopped. Well, this beast, when they defrosted it in 1900, was so preserved that every fiber of every muscle, even the stomach lining in that beast, was preserved. The structure of it was preserved to that extent. So Sanderson went to the American Frozen Foods Institute and asked them, what does it take to freeze a mammoth like this? And they said, well, we have problem enough freezing a quarter or a half a beef. We never thought about this. So they attacked the problem with glee and came back with it two and three months later, three months, and said, Mr. Sanderson, there is no, no way. We have no ability within science to freeze that much meat that fast.

Furthermore, there's no way in nature known to do it. It's impossible. Yet there it was. But if you're going to do it, here's what you have to do. You have to have a heat sink in technical terms. That means you have to have... You have to have a supply of cold, if you want to put it that way, which is infinite. You have to have an almost infinite supply of cold to remove the heat from that beast that fast. Moreover, this beast wasn't found in ice. He was found in mud, alluvial mud, homogenous mud, miles of layer of mud. So the beast himself and the mud had to be frozen. And it really did take an almost infinite amount of cold to remove that much heat from the mud. And the beast, that he died in violence, was contested, was attested to by the fact that he had a broken hip bone and a broken front leg bone. Now, you two, think what it takes to break that, or break those bones in a mammoth. It's pretty much... Hunters couldn't have done it.

And that he was suffocated to death in the mud was verified biologically by the state of the body when they dug it out. Well, in Africa, I mean in Alaska, to the east there, of course, we have Professor Hibben's findings. And he spent months following the bulldozers as they carved away mountainsides to get at the gold underneath. And in these mountainsides, he found these trainload lots of animals, of prehistoric animals, frozen and buried. But he found that they had been blown across the countryside by supersonic winds, known to be supersonic because the winds shredded the meat from the animal. They were also burned by volcanic upheaval. And then they were buried under this alluvial mud and frozen. Now, these are the clues. Supersonic winds, volcanic action, and piling up into literally mountains of mammalian flesh, and then freezing. And kept frozen for thousands of years. And then we have the Laurentian Basin in Canada,

about four and a half million square miles in area. Now, this was created by the pressure from an ice cap, and all of the radiocarbon dating done shows that this ice cap came to an abrupt end 11,500 years ago. There is no dating work anywhere on that basin contradicting that date of 11,500 years ago. We have the work of the great Swiss geologist, Francois Farel, in studying the St. Lawrence Riverbed, and he said that somehow, some gigantic upheaval, 6,500 years ago, raised that whole riverbed to the level it is today, to the extent that the Ohio River, which used to flow into the St. Lawrence, turned around and started flowing in the direction we find it today. If we look at the Niagara Falls Gorge, here's a gorge about seven miles long. We know from records kept over the past 100 years that the gorge grows at an average rate each year by the breakaway of the rock from the falls. This breakaway averages about 4 1 2 feet per year.

Now, when the gorge was just beginning at its birth, when the falls was seven miles below where it is today, the breakaway was faster. We know that because the height of the water over the falls was much deeper. The water was deeper going over. It would have broken away the rock much faster. We can compute. There's our time clock. We can compute when Niagara Falls started. It was 6,500 years ago. At the time, Francois Farrell said the St. Lawrence River bed raised up. The geological evidence in this country is just fantastic. If you go to... How many here have been to the Grand Canyon? This is like next door. You stand on the north rim and you look across and you see these various strata. Each strata is homogenous from top to bottom. Then there's a sharp demarcation and another strata, totally different in its content. Homogenous, top to bottom. Even, level, for miles upon miles upon miles. And where a pinnacle stands up within the canyon,

the strata match that, the strata in the edge of the canyon. Now, if you take any one strata and study it, I've been in Roosevelt National Park in North Dakota. I've been up to these strata too, where you see a strata 50 feet thick, 30 feet thick, another strata 20 feet thick, another one 10. 10 feet thick. Each one indigenous to itself. I picked one that was straight. Looked at it at the top, at the bottom, all the way through it. Homogenous. Identical. Now, how do you deposit that way? At the bottom of an ocean over thousands, millions of years with sedimentation gradually settling down? No. There's only one way to lay it down so evenly, so homogeneously. Each layer was put there all at once. There's only one way. There's only one way to do it. And there's only one force available to do it, and that's water. Water moving at fantastic volumes and speeds to lay that much earth down over so wide an area, so evenly and so homogeneously.

The next time you go to Grand Canyon, look at these layers. I'll give you the dates for each layer after we go on. Now, if we go farther south into Mexico, there's a pyramid of Quico, just outside Mexico City. It's been there as long as man has thought. And this pyramid, it's been there for a long time. This pyramid is unlike any other in the world. It's made out of lava rock. And there's a spiral path up the outside, and the top is flat. And it's an oval-shaped pyramid. There isn't one piece of writing on this pyramid. Nothing. No adornment. No figureheads. No statues. Only on top, there is a little platform and something that looks like a French bathtub, which they uncovered there. And there is a lava bed around the base of the pyramid. The base of this, which is about 75 square miles in area. Tremendous. And an Australian geologist, who was hired to date that lava bed, which was laid down around the pyramid by some tremendous eruption,

said that it had to be between 6,000 and 7,000 years ago that it was laid down. The important part was that it wiped out a civilization totally unlike any which has appeared since. If we get down to the Galapagos Islands, right on the equator, it was here that the work on evolution was done. So much work. And I can't remember his name. Why? What's that? Darwin, of course. I've been working for eight years in cancer, and many of these things are slipping my mind. The last two years have been day and night work in the field of cancer. This is a vacation for me to get back to cataclysmology. I'm going back to it full-time as soon as we finish our cancer work next year. Darwin said, He said one thing. I have over 11,000 years of uninterrupted evolution to furnish me with my data on these islands. Now, why? Why did he end it at about 11,000 years? That's the same as the end of the Laurentian Basin ice cap. Down in Australia, there's a river called the Murumbaji River in southeastern Australia.

And geological studies of the Murumbaji River Basin show that there was an ice cap in southwest Australia, which came to an abrupt end about 11,000 years ago. 11,500 years ago, same time. And that ice cap was directly opposite the Laurentian Basin. Look at it on your globe when you get home. As far as I've been able to determine, in any geological literature, no one has ever correlated those two locations and their timing. They appeared in two entirely different publications. Well, we could go on and on. In Africa, there's a basin called the Chad Basin, the Sudan Basin, and in the center of it is Lake Oceania. Lake Chad. This is right on the equator. And the mountains surrounding this basin are glacially formed, much like those around the Laurentian Basin. The Caspian Sea Basin is just the same in Russia. The Sudan Basin, with this Lake Chad in the center, is curious in that Lake Chad is the largest freshwater lake in the world

with no outlet to the sea. And by all standards of geology, Lake Chad is the largest freshwater lake in the world with no outlet to the sea. Lake Chad is the largest freshwater lake in the world with no outlet to the sea. And by all standards of geology, it most probably is the last remains of an ice cap in that basin. If we go to the Holy Land and the Tigris and Euphrates River, here we find the beginnings of the science of archaeology. In the later 1800s, the Palace of Sennacherib was found. His grandson, Asserbanipal, had added a library onto this palace, and he had done something that very few rulers to that time had done. He had recognized property rights. He sent emissaries out amongst his kingdom and had them borrow what they considered to be good tablets for his library. So the originals that they borrowed, which were written in cuneiform, he had brought in and had his court chiselers, or whatever you call them,

copy these and made his library from them. And he returned the originals to their own rightful owners. So the library that was found was copies of originals, 30,000 tablets, which had been arranged in the late 1800s. They were not changed in any modern library technique, language, history, mathematics, science, medicine. And in the literature section, there were, I think, 12 tablets found, which were sent up to the British Museum in London. And at that time, who could read cuneiform? There happened to be a fellow in London who had a hobby, believe it or not, of reading cuneiform, whose profession was that of an optometrist. His name was George Smith. And so the British Museum said, come on down and see if you can translate these things, George. And he said, fine. And as it turned out, this story is the Epic of Gilgamesh. And I won't go into the details of it, but as he translated it, it came out that a story of a legendary emperor, Gilgamesh,

which has, incidentally, it's been proven since then he was a real live emperor, I think of the third or fourth dynasty after the flood, the great flood of Noah. And Gilgamesh, I don't know how he ever ran his kingdom, because he was always out in the countryside hunting. And he had a buddy named Enkidu, and Gilgamesh and Enkidu just to raise cane all the time. And Enkidu got sick with a fever and died. And Gilgamesh was so heart sick over this that he determined to set out to find the secret of eternal life. And... he was told to look for a man by the name of Utnapishtim. And he found Utnapishtim. And Gilgamesh and Utnapishtim sat down and swapped stories. And Utnapishtim said, yes, you bet your life. I'm the fellow who was granted the secret of eternal life by the gods. I was warned by the gods. And they told me, oh, son of Ubar Tutu, aren't these all wonderful names, Utnapishtim, son of Ubar Tutu, go home, tear down thy house,

and build thyself a ship, and let it be well measured. Which he did. And the ship that was described was not like that in the Bible. It was square. Which, by all standards of naval architecture, you can't tip over. And he had all of his neighbors in who wanted to help him, and the craftsmen, and they helped him build this thing. And everybody, of course, thought he was a crackpot. And after he had it built, he launched it on no less than eight shakedown cruises. He brought it back each time, and he cocked it up with bitumen, and he launched it again. And right after he had it ship-shaped, he had a real Belshazzar's feast. And he invited in all the neighbors, even those who thought he was nutty. And he describes this feast, they had wine and beer and venison and mutton and everything, just like today, you know. And the very next morning he launched it. And he said, he first loaded it. And the describing of the loading is like that in the Bible.

And even to the going aboard himself last and the closing of the doors. And then he describes the onslaught of this storm. And if you can get it and read it, it's in George Smith's translation. Read the first one. It's available in most good libraries. And then, if you want to read it in a book that I know is available, there are excerpts from it, in a book called God's Graves and Scholars, by C.W. Saram, C.E.R.A.M. In it there's a chapter called George Smith's Flood. Be sure to read that, it's very interesting. But it's, without a doubt, the primeval version of Noah's Flood, written by somebody who existed, written 3,000 years before the Hebrews wrote their version of it. And scholars in the English language say that for a man to write like that, in such descriptive form, and so vividly, he had to be there. He had to see it. Well, in 1924, it was determined that if this were true, then this layer of mud, which Utnapishtim described,

because when he described it was over, and he opened the window and looked out, he said he beheld a sea of mud, as high and as flat as the rooftops lay the mud. And thousands of dead, of man and beast and cattle, lay floating in the mire. That's his description. Well, it was decided that that layer of mud should be there. And archaeologists digging down there found, yes, indeed, that layer of mud, burying a civilization underneath it, much different, totally unlike any which existed above. And if you go into the Valley of Mexico and count the layers of sedimentation there, deposited like in the Grand Canyon, they agree in depth and in stratification across the continent to the extent, across the ocean to the extent that if you count the same ones in Zanzibar and on the African coast west of Zanzibar, they agree. Same stratification. Same depth. I could go on and on and on. One of the most wonderful studies, I think, was done by Andre Duluc, Jr.,

who studied all of the granite blocks in the Jura Mountains in France. The Jura Mountains are much like the Appalachians in that they are rolling mountains, non-granitic, no granite on them, but blocks deposited on them. And these blocks on each ridge are deposited on the eastern ridge where they went through a pass on the ridge to the east of that. And Duluc studied each block and traced where it came from in the Swiss Alps across the Swiss Valley. Years of research. Years of work. And he found that these blocks had been erupted from the primary rock of the Swiss Alps and were swept across this basin through these passes onto the eastern slopes of the Jura Mountains losing hardly any altitude. Swept there by water moving so fast that 70 ton blocks of granite lost no measurable altitude. Well, I have files at home full of this. What we concluded was that, yes, the surface of the globe does take these revolutions. And if we look at the inside of the globe,

we find that there is a shell 60 miles thick. Beneath that, a molten layer another 60 miles thick. Now, seismologists have been arguing about this for years. It wasn't until, well, in 1924, the great seismologist Gutenberg first suspected from his earthquake records that molten layer was there, 60 miles deep, extending 60 miles further. And... he started a real bombshell in seismology and it wasn't resolved until the first subsurface nuclear shots in Arizona in 1958, which gave the seismologists their first sharp beginning pulse. If you ever look at the waves of an earthquake, there's really no beginning. It's a mishmash. This gave them a sharp pulse to work with for shallow readings. And they did determine that, yes, there is something there, which is, hmm, plastic? The Hawaiian seismologists say, well, it's molten. The American seismologists say it's plastic. And this is still a war waging. Well, the electrical engineers have come in

and come up with a solution, that the inner electrical and magnetic structure of the Earth, which we call magnetohydrodynamic structure, makes this molten layer act as if it is a near solid, with no shear strength, but the strength of a near solid. So, once every few thousand years, that molten layer is allowed to, act as a free liquid, instead of being restrained by magnetic and electrical force. And the shell of the Earth, the 60 mile thick shell of the Earth, shifts around the interior, with the poles going to near the equator in less than a day. We think it's about a half a day. And of course, the oceans don't want to follow that change in rotation. They just keep on going in their normal direction. And this way you get tremendous inundations of continents. Now, to trace back the unbelievable

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pattern of the position of this shell, we have to say, well, let's just take it as it is, and see what the data shows. And this is what the data shows. Today, of course, we're living in the Arctic Ocean era, where the Arctic Ocean is at the North Pole. 6,500 years ago, to 11,500 years ago, the Sudan Basin in Africa was at the North Pole. And it moved where it is today, 6,500 years ago, and that was Noah's Flood. 11,500 years ago, to 18,500 years ago, for 7,000 years, the Hudson Bay was at the North Pole, and that was the era of the Laurentian Basin ice cap. That was the so-called Ice Age on this continent. You see, Ice Ages are not a matter of advancing and retreating ice. They're a matter of relocation of the position of the shell about the interior, so that ice caps form in new areas, and old ice caps melt, rotating about the equator. Now, the reason that Darwin had 11,500 years of uninterrupted data for his evolutionary studies

was that on the last cataclysm, the equator before the cataclysm went west of Peru, through the Galapagos, up through the western United States, through Alaska, down through China, through the Malay Peninsula, down through Antarctica, and back to the Galapagos. And that equator was, of course, equatorial, and it tilted to its present position, the two pivot points being the Malay Peninsula and the Galapagos Islands. This is why so much prehistoric life, tremendous lizards, alligator size, are found on the Malay Peninsula, and why so many prehistoric animals are found on the Galapagos. It's a high survival probability area. It's the only area of the globe that really does not undergo any environmental change. Before the Laurentian Basin, the Hudson Bay, the Caspian Sea was at the North Pole. And the most tremendous verification of that is the prehistoric city of Tiahuanaco down on the border of Peru and Chile, on the shores of Lake Titicaca.

How many have read about Tiahuanaco? It's a fabulous city. I wish I could go there. The American scientist, I'll think of his name in a minute, he was a Polish fellow, studied this. He spent his life, Arthur Poznanski studied this. He had three degrees, one in anthropology, one in archaeology, and one in electrical engineering. Electrical engineers do funny things, don't they? He studied this, and he determined that city was built 15,000 to 20,000 years ago, and that it had undergone a subsequent cataclysm of some sort which hoisted it up to its present altitude of 12,500 feet. It was built at sea level. All the evidence shows it was built at sea level. There's a temple in it called the Temple of Calasasaya, and a tremendous stone gate in this temple. Huge. Two British scientists, Bellamy and Reed, have translated what's on this gate and have come up with a conclusion that on this gate is the calendar of that civilization,

and that the gate states it was facing westward. It's facing northward today. If the Caspian Sea had been at the North Pole when it was built, it would have been facing westward. They state that they had a satellite orbiting the Earth west to east 449 times per year, so accurately that they sighted on this through instruments in the gate. And it was so huge that they could sight on the leading edge and the trailing edge and take an average of the two readings for their reading for time reference accuracy. That was their Greenwich time, as it were. Hard to believe, isn't it? How do you launch something like that in a civilization like that? Well, you look at it and you find that they had canals going from the Pacific Ocean through their city to what had to be an inland sea, which is now the Amazon Basin. Those canals are there at the top of the Andes today. Maybe you've seen pictures of them. They're straighter than the roads in Kansas,

and they're wider than the Panama Canal. We finally, came to the conclusion, last year, as to what the trigger is. Inside this Earth of ours, we have tremendous trapped magnetic and electrical energy. Without this trapped energy, we wouldn't have radiation belts outside our planet. And without this trapped energy and the radiation belts, we would not have the molten layers, the outer core and the shell layer 60 miles down. Without those molten layers, we wouldn't have oceans. Without oceans, we wouldn't have water. There would be no life here. That's what's happened to the Moon, by the way. It used to be a full-blown planet. If you want to talk about that, we can cover that later on. But you can see, if you look at some of the pictures of the sedimentary stratification on the Moon, just like we have here, which says it had to have cataclysms at one time, which means it had to have outer core and inner core structure. It had to have radiation belts.

Well, anyway, once every few thousand years, we are traversing through normal cycles of aging of our universe. And these cycles include magnetic field reversals. Paleontology tells us this. Paleomagnetism tells us this. And from studies of paleomagnetism, we know that these reversals mean that we have to go through zones of no magnetic field strength. When we go through a zone like that, the inner magnetic field of the Earth and the electrical currents within the Earth are lowered to such an extent that this molten layer 60 miles down is freed to act as a free liquid. It no longer acts as a near solid or a plastic. Now the shell of the Earth,

right now, the shell of the Earth is not dynamically balanced, but because these inner molten layers act as near solids, the shell is not being allowed to tip or move. The whole Earth follows more or less the laws of mathematics of ball gyroscopes. Not actually. We know that it's a real dynamo and motor inside because it does not follow uniform speeds. It changes speed. It speeds up, slows down. You read about that in the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's in there. In the 1890s, it sped up. And in 1914, it slowed down again. It's a matter of record. When it's freed as a free liquid, then it serves as a lubricant for whatever imbalance exists on the shell to pull the shell into a position of balance. Now right now, let's look at it. The two ice caps of Antarctica and Greenland are not centered. They were formed after the last cataclysm. The torque created by their centrifugal force of not rotating on the center axis of rotation

is tending to pull the shell around with a torque, if I remember correctly, of 48 times 10 to the 15th ton miles. That's a lot of torque. And that torque can pull the shell of this Earth around in the time that it took to freeze the Barasovka Mammoth. We're not moving. Well, let's look at where we are today. Two scientists in the magnetism have told in their paper that we are heading for another one today, another magnetic field reversal, at an accelerating rate right now. When it'll come, I can only tell you, it's sometime within the next 500 years. That's our study. If we had the money and the time, we could nail this down mathematically to precisely when we should expect it. And if we were to pursue this on a scientific basis, this would be the most tremendous scientific effort in the world today. I wouldn't care what race you are, what religion you are, what nationality you are. You'd have to work together to balance the shell of this Earth

so that when the next one comes, we don't shift. We just stay put right where we are. We've got to counterbalance that 48 times 10 to the 15th ton miles of torque. And you know, from every computation I've made, there just isn't enough energy available to do the job. Maybe some way we can find some energy. I don't know. But using nuclear energy, there just isn't enough energy. This thing is so delicate that when the Navy was measuring the position of the South Pole, not the magnetic pole, the axis of revolution, they found that on Friday nights, when the heavy traffic from New York City goes northward on the New York State Turnpike, the shift, the pole, South Pole, shifted. A few feet. And on Sunday night when they go back home, it shifts back into position. Just from the mass distribution change of automobiles going north and south on the weekend. Isn't that something? Well, there we are. Now, from this knowledge of cataclysmic geology,

we know much more than we knew before. We know that the deep trenches in the Pacific are formed during a cataclysm because when the shell shifts into a new position, it doesn't just stay integral. It doesn't start and stop and everything stay the same. Great areas pile up. Other areas thin out. This is how the shell, the crust of the Pacific has become so thin. It's all gone eastward and northward and piled up into the Andes and the Rockies. And it's left these deep trenches in the Pacific where it's split apart. If you look to the west of California, you see these tremendous cleavages eastward, and west cleavages where the stratification has literally shifted, like this. That's been mapped. It's really known. And it had to be done fast. It couldn't have been done slowly. So we know that any time these pileups occur, like the Rockies, like the Andes, and one of the oil companies which does prospecting in the Rockies during the summertime,

one of the universities, it's the University of Washington, has formed very recently geologically and very suddenly. This is not public knowledge, but this is what they've concluded. It sort of upsets uniformitarian geology. My contention is that uniformitarian geology is not wrong. It's just incomplete. We need to marry uniformitarian geology and cataclysmology. The two belong together. Someday you'll see that happen. We have this stress within the shell of the Earth of suddenly piled up areas and any stress that exists is looking for relief all the time. And where it's going to find relief is wherever the strata are broken. And these are known as faults. You've got an Inglewood fault here. We have a San Andreas fault. There are other stresses. Now the ice, let's take Antarctica. Antarctica is about 7.2 million square miles in area. It's about ten and a half, it's about five and a half million let's see, it's five and a half million

square miles in area and about 7.2 million cubic miles in volume. This volume of ice, which is about two miles deep, 10,000 feet deep in most places, has depressed this continent into a molten layer below. So that most of it is below sea level today. And in depressing the whole continent of Antarctica, five and a half million square miles in area, of course it bulges the rest of the southern hemisphere. It has its effect everywhere all over the world. And that bulge, of course, is measurable, and it is measured as a greater bulge in the southern hemisphere than in the northern hemisphere. Now, being off center, this ice cap rotates in the center of rotation and has a centrifugal force tending, because it's landlocked, it tends to push the whole continent northward in one direction. That northward is in the direction of India. And that's why India and the Pacific Ocean. And that's why the Himalaya Mountains keep piling up higher

and higher and higher. And geologists just don't understand this. It's beyond all the limits of geological feasibility that they keep going higher and higher. Now, the Greenland ice cap, which is pushing southward from where it is, creates another stress. It wants to pull Greenland southward. And it tends to pull that part of the hemisphere southward. And it's these two forces, the Antarctic ice cap tending to push northward on the Pacific Ocean, and the Greenland ice cap tending to push southward on the Atlantic, that creates the movement in the San Andreas Fault. Northward on the west, and southward on the east. Actually, it's northwest on the west, and southeast on the east side of the fault. And we can measure this every year. It moves a little bit. And that's what it's from. The centrifugal force of the ice cap is pushing. Now, the Greenland ice cap, of course, is much less. It's only 670,000 cubic miles of ice. Only.

You know that over 95% of the world's ice is on Antarctica? If we were to melt all of Antarctica, the oceans would rise 220 feet all over the world. No more Florida, no more Washington, D.C., no more Manhattan. And do you know that oceanography records that about 6,000 to 7,000 years ago, the oceans all over the world rose suddenly around 200 to 220 feet? They say 200 feet. There's only one way we know how to do that, and that's to melt the ice caps. And there's only one way we know how to do that, and that's moving to the equator and let the sun do the job. And there's one of the most tremendous verifications right in oceanography. And do you know that the first pyramid ever built, the pyramid of Khufu at Giza, it's the only one which is not a tomb. It's the one which has in it all the references of all of the space sciences, of every planet, of our planet, all the dimensions of the solar system, and they're all there. It's the only one which has a

high water mark 200 feet above the base. It had to be built before Noah's flood with that water mark. Because the oceans since that time have gone down gradually to where they are today. Why? All the water has been evaporated out and deposited on the poles where the ice caps are today. That's where the water went. Now, the, of course we have this bulge factor which I mentioned. And this bulge factor is not uniform. Now, three nations, Russia, France, and Australia, independently verified in the IGY that the Antarctic ice cap is growing at the rate of 293 cubic miles per year. That's a lake Ontario per year. That's a lot of ice. But of course it's not much compared to 7.2 million, but it's a little bit each year, like a straw on a camel's back. But it's not a uniform ice retention rate all year. So much falls in the wintertime, much less falls in the summertime, and some runs off. It's not really ice. It's all hoarfrost. This

hoarfrost which settles on the continent. Some runs off. Some stays. The ice retention rate is much higher in the wintertime than it is in the summertime. And you can see that between summer and winter, there is a transition period when the ice retention rate will jump from low to high. It's at this time that stress which has gathered to a near breaking point anywhere in the world will find its relief because that sudden change in ice retention rate on Antarctica will change the bulge in the whole shape of the earth faster than at any other time of the year. You look at the Baldwin Hills disaster, it correlates. When the dam broke, it correlates. My contention is that the Baldwin Hills disaster was caused by the Antarctic ice cap. If you look at the fall of the year, September mainly, October, this is when the ice retention rate on Greenland takes a jump. And then you find other major earthquakes. There are always exceptions to any rule. I'm giving

you a general pattern. Why April, May, and May are the great months of great earthquakes, I contend are because of the major factor of the ice retention rate change on Antarctica. And why September and October are the secondary months for major earthquakes is because of the major change in ice retention rate on Greenland. Now we can come to California. Now we begin to understand more about California earthquakes, don't we? At the time I made my predictions in 1959, I also predicted that there would be no earthquakes over the next five years in California. And if you look back in the literature of that time, in the newspapers, you'll find experts who were saying that we were overdue. That we were going to get a major one. I contended that because of the major earthquake in Yellowstone Park, remember that one? Where they just lost people, were buried. Because of that, the major stresses in this entire western area of the United States

were relieved. And the there would be no earthquake here for the next five year period. Luckily, I guess, I don't know whether I was lucky or what, I turned out right. You know you quit when you're ahead, don't you? After I made those predictions, the National Geographic came to me and said, why didn't you tell us? We were down in Chile and we left just before that earthquake. You should have told us. We would have stayed. I said, come on, if I told you would you have really stayed? You would have said, another crackpot. And they said, well we want all your other predictions. Keep predicting for us. The Air Force said, please, give us more predictions. Just keep it up every year. I said, no thanks. I'm not interested in earthquake prediction. I'm interested in cataclysmology. All I've done is to indicate that there is a way to predict earthquakes. If anybody in the earthquake predicting business wants to predict earthquakes,

they can have my information free. Nobody has asked me. I don't... Laughable to me, I guess. Nobody has asked me. I really don't care. But anyway, when they said, well we want all your predictions from now on, I said, no thanks. They said, why not? I said, well, whether you know it or not, mathematics tells us that if you take known existing data and based on that data predict forthcoming data, you are subject to errors of the fifth magnitude. This is something derived by the data reductionists at White Sands Proving Ground, some of the best mathematicians in the business. And I said, I can see myself predicting that in 1973, Japan goes under. Or something like that. And so we get out the Red Cross and we get out the United States Navy and we evacuate everybody and everybody stands back and nothing happens. It could happen if I start predicting like that. All I've done is indicate that there is a possibility to predict earthquakes.

I think that we have a better understanding of why they occur, where they occur, and when they occur. I have done no prediction work based on this scientific analysis for any area of the globe for any future time. Now, in our work in ESP, we have discovered how prediction works. And how many here heard my talk on ESP last year? Very few. All right. I'll give you a quick summary. Everyone, all of you, everyone, has two bodies. We call the conscious body, body one, and the subconscious body, body two. Body two is made up of particles so small as to be collisionless particles. They will not collide with any other particles known. They're much smaller than electrons. It's a brand new field in physics. It's just too technical to go into here. These particles are those particles which create gravitational pull by a predominance of those particles traveling in one direction, namely outward from the center of a planet, for instance, or outward from the

center of an atom, or an electron, or a proton. It's what gives a body mass. Now, these particles gather in every human being in the embryo stage before birth. And they gather in conjunction with the nervous system. The entire nervous system is paralleled with this body of particles gathering. Now, if you stop and think how much of you is nervous system and your skin, I defy you to find any place where you do not feel except in scar tissue. Part of your nervous system is your equilibrium system. And the equilibrium system pays the most predominant part in the formation of this body too. And it is this body too which can communicate from person to person freely. A child is born with the ability to communicate this way with his body two and his body one, his subconscious and conscious, if you will, tied together to the extent that he doesn't even know the difference between the two. In a matter of three months, an infant in his body two

and his subconscious has the vocabulary of an adult. For an adult to come along and talk so-called baby talk to a baby does nothing more than confuse the daylights out of the poor child. Any child who was raised in the environment of having his parents speak to him as if they understand, as if the child understands them, that child will be far more emotionally, intellectually normal than a child who is spoken to by his brothers and sisters and parents in so-called baby talk. It is when the child is first subjected to what we call the group concept that he learns that not only can he, but he must sever these two functions. You know, the measure of social maturity today is in your ability to hide what's in your mind. Isn't it? And when the child is first subjected to the group concept when he learns this and he must not be so outspoken and say what he thinks, he cuts the two, he severs the two, buries his subconscious, learns that's

now he can lie, cheat, steal. The next advance in our society, the greatest advance in our society will be when we reverse the requirements for social maturity to where your measure of your social maturity will be in your ability to share what's in your mind. It is these people who retain this tie between body one and body two who turn out to be the Jean Dixons, who turn out to be the ESP sensitives, who turn out to be mind readers, who show us they can communicate at any range. It is the body two, by the way, which never dies. It is the body two which, when it dies, is freed on its own for all eternity. And believe me, there is every reason to scientifically believe there is an eternity for everyone. Now, for those who see into the future, we have discovered in delving into this ESP that those whose body twos have been in existence a long time after their body ones have died evidently have discovered the ability to communicate in time.

And we have gone through many excursions with people who have died and we have gone through all kinds of authentication to prove that the people we were conversing with were indeed the person they said they were. And in traveling in time, they predict what's in the future. They describe what's in the past. So that a living person means a communication, has still this tie between body one and body two, is communicated to by these who travel in time. And comes up with a date. This April we're going to have a tremendous earthquake in California. That's where it came from. Now, the ability to read the exact date in the future is a rare one. Extremely rare. This means of communication carries within it a tremendous amount of spoofing, pretending, wishful thinking, and just plain lying by those in the body two world. It's not as factual a means of communication as we would like it to be. So that somebody who is pretending or maybe even

thinking they're properly predicting in the future could communicate this earthquake prediction. California will float into the sea and so forth. And it's not true. I can predict to you precisely what will happen in the next cataclysm. We know that. Incidentally, it's described in my book which I have here called The Adam and Eve Story. This is a summation of cataclysmic work which I wrote. It took me 12 years to write this little thing. And my wife has some back there anyway. The new North Pole next time will be just east of India in the Bay of Bengal. That will move to the North Pole. The new South Pole will be just west of Peru. That will move to the South Pole. How about that? The pivot points will be just south of the Sudan Basin in Africa on zero longitude and 180 degrees around on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific. That's the pivot point. No place to hide. If you want to go to a high survival probability area believe it or not

South Africa. It's a triangle actually between Nairobi, Johannesburg and the Belgian Congo. Leopoldville. And if you want to go to a place that's decent much like the weather here around Johannesburg. Year round. If you want to go now because when the time comes there's going to be a mad rush and the barriers will be up. Go when you can get in. I think that what's happening down there should be straightened out in a hurry in the best way possible and all the seeds of our civilization planted there. Because the next civilization will rise from that location. And if we believe in passing on anything from our civilization let's try to pass on the seeds of our civilization. So when it comes to California earthquakes the next time we'll see California the whole United States go southward. And the Pacific Ocean will go west to east as we go southward and hit the California coast with a wall of water somewhere about 6 to 10 miles high.

And it will sweep across this nation in less, oh a fraction of a day and you tell me what's left. It happened before this very same way and that's what piled up the Rockies the way they are. It happened when the Hudson Bay tumbled to the equator. It happened when the Sudan Basin tumbled to the equator. We will emerge from this inundation in the south temperate zone and it takes six days for the waters to settle down again. To the peaceful seventh day. And this is what's described in Genesis 1, 2, and 3. The cataclysm of 11,500 years ago. It's actually a recreation each time. Now we say, oh how terrible. Everybody's going to die. There's no question about that. How you die. I'd like to see this happen, wouldn't you? What a tremendous adventure. Knowing your body too is going to survive. Why not? Really. There's no rush. Believe me. But we'll emerge washed clean. Brand new continent. Ready to go again. Think of all the exploration

to come. New shorelines. New oceans. No more pollution. It's the greatest population regulator known. Man isn't going to do it for himself. But you know that man isn't going to regulate the use of natural resources either. This is one of the greatest reshuffling of natural resources known. I've often wondered what would an archaeologist 5,000 years, 6,000, 7,000 years from now, what would he find here of what we have? And I think of glass? No. Glass isn't permanent. That deteriorates. Lumber? Every building going would be just swept clean by this wall of water. What would he find? Well, you know, porcelain. He would find bathtubs and commodes. We are the bathtub-iest, commode-iest society in the history of man. You know? That's the first thing he would conclude. He'd find mountains of these piled up. Talk about mammalian flesh and bones. That's fine. So with that note of looking into the future, really, I'd like to throw the floor open to verbal questions

rather than having them written. We'll cover much more ground in much less time that way. If there are questions,

will you please ask? Now, it's not the inner core. You see, the mantle is 1,800 miles thick and then comes the inner core. And the whole mantle of 1,800 miles doesn't have to move that fast. You just can't do it. But in the mantle, the crust is about, it varies between 10 and 30 miles thick. But 60 miles down in the mantle starts this molten layer which extends 60 miles further. Now, the fact that this exists worldwide is proven more by oceanography than anything else. Do you know that tides all over the world at high tide are 7 tenths as high as they should be were the water on a rigid sphere? That means that the depth of water increases a certain number of feet, right? But the altitude of the water has only increased 7 tenths of the total depth. Not where it should be. It has depressed the floor of the ocean into the molten layer that much. Just a few feet of water. People down at, engineers down at Kennedy tell us that they survey in benchmarks

on the range. And the day after they survey them in they're moved by tides. Up and down. Sideways. Now, what happens is this. After each cataclysm you have ice caps which have moved to near an equator. And they start rotating about the equator and they melt. And the oceans rise 220 feet, 200 feet, somewhere around there. And at the poles start growing new ice caps. Now the dynamic balance with the ice caps rotating about the equator is nice and solid and steady and nobody's going to tip it from there. But now you melt all of them. And you put new ones at the top. And you put them a little bit off center. Now the shell is now unbalanced again. It's wobbling today. We know that. The chief of the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington D.C. has done more to mathematically correlate this movement than any one man. He's taken the data from all the observatories around the world. And he wrote a paper called Latitude, Longitude, and the Sectorial

Movement of the Pole. And he traced it into vectors like this. And a resultant vector. There is a movement this way and there is a wobble movement that way. And he just said that's the way it is. I correlated what he came up with to the torques offered by the ice caps for off centeredness. The ice cap rotating around wants to fly off the Earth. Gravity says no, you stay here. So the resultant is it wants to move around. But since it's land blocked it can't move around. So it wants to pull the land that's on with it. And it can't because it's got the whole shell of the Earth to pull. Besides that, the molten layer beneath it isn't acting like a lubricant because the inner magnetic and electrical energy is making it act like a solid. So the Earth in essence, roughly follows all of the laws of what we call a ball gyroscope. Now if you take a ball, a steel ball, and you start it spinning and you put it in space it's going to follow certain rotational laws.

And one is that any change within it will not affect its rotation. Only a change from without a push from without for instance will make it change direction of rotation. However, if you can make a shell on this and lubricate the shell and imbalance the shell the shell will change its position about the interior without a force from without pushing it. Got me? So this torque of the ice caps is constantly trying to pull the shell around and the Antarctic ice cap and the Greenland ice cap are working in couple with each other to pull the shell around. And it won't be until the molten layer falls down is freed to act as a free liquid by taking out the magnetic field strength and doing away with the magnetic and electrical energy in it that it will be acting as a free liquid and then the torques will go whoosh and away goes the shell. We have enough evidence from past civilizations to indicate that there is about a 40 year warning period

of when it starts when it is freed for a short time but then it stops because it wasn't totally freed and it is restored for a little bit. We have some indication I contend that there might be an indication that the Alaskan earthquake which was not the Alaskan earthquake that is only the place where it started it was a worldwide earthquake it cropped up all over the world it was just a real ringing earthquake all inside this earth that could have been the first warning because there are plenty of indications that the shell of the earth did slip a little at that time. There was a question in the back, yes. Well this is another stress

I didn't mention actually another thing the IGY came up with was that the floor of the Pacific Ocean today is literally a seething cauldron of escaping gases and we know that this is from the molten layers inside the earth anytime you have molecular conflagration I am talking about burning leaves in your front yard or molten lava anytime you have a molten state not in nuclear temperatures but molecular burning temperatures you are going to get normal byproducts of combustion, one of which is water this is where our springs come from in the mountains the other is gas, CO2 and this escaping gas comes through the Pacific floor but it is trapped under continents and this is one of the things that creates a total steady stress leading to earthquakes so that every earthquake is a combination of relieving the bulge stresses, the torque stresses and the gas stresses from underneath yes, Churchwood was right but the gas was only one of the things

he was incomplete yes

first of all did you all hear that question? what is the effect of underground nuclear explosions and do I think that Vesuvius will erupt again? Yes and Paley first of all I am dead set against any nuclear detonation of any kind as a scientist I am dead set against a nuclear detonation of any kind from a spiritual point of view I am dead set against any nuclear detonation of any kind from a conservation of the structure of the universe point of view that every time you destroy matter in this fashion you change the balance of nature as it is created and if we think it is limited to the area we do it in we have got another thing coming and the people who first uncovered this were the Soviets in their tremendous shots in the Via Zimlia back in the late 1950s now at that time one of the new scientists well it really wasn't new it was about 50 years old but the unpursued sciences was earth currents the study of electrical currents within the earth

I myself have built three earth current stations I know what the study of earth currents means at that time the Soviets had 30 earth current recording stations in Russia proper alone not counting what they had in Siberia at ships at sea like the Vostok studying nothing but earth currents and in Antarctica we had three stations on our continent only three and today I defy anybody to get any government money to build an earth current station to learn what is going on inside this earth but they discovered and this was on the front page of the New York Times many mega toners that there's earth current recording stations in Antarctica recorded an instantaneous pulse at the instant the bomb went off now by all standards of E equals mc squared by all standards of transmission of energy time required at the speed of C the speed of light there should have been a time delay and yet there was not no that's above ground which means that somehow

that pulse got through instantaneously from one end of this globe to the other now this now has been verified by our work in particle physics with this particle of infinitesimal size which I say has to do with gravity and has to do with ESP and body too from our theories of the generation of gravitational fields of our theories of the involvement of this particle in it and the structure of the human soul if you will that you can destroy a human soul with a nuclear detonation that's the only way to break it up if you bomb a city with a nuclear bomb everyone caught with that bomb has no hereafter think of that what's life? I mean it's momentary but what's hereafter? can you take that away from a civilization what have you got? all right you ask so any subsurface shot what they're doing today try to get in with that kind of a program and you can't get in the physical effects the seismic effects are all they're measuring and the other physical effects

now we do know this that when you have a volcano it's a planetary version of a sunspot there is tremendous electrical activity in a volcano the Japanese discovered this they've done much more earth current work than we've done in our country no one studied it when it was not erupting as compared to when it was erupting and it's a center of such electrical activity during eruption that it has to be they've concluded and I concur with them that it has to be far more than just a physical pressure phenomena it's a an electrical phenomena it's a magnetohydrodynamic phenomena it's an eruption of this layer 60 miles down through the shell of the earth and it isn't just because there happened to be a fissure or a leak there it's because there is a gathering of electrical and magnetic energy which is a very tiny version of a sunspot on our planet now you ask me will Etna or Pele erupt again? I can't say I haven't checked on that even through

ESP just for the fun of it there will be volcanoes heavens yes we are pretty sure that as a cataclysm nears volcanic activity multiplies by many times incidentally when we go through one of these magnetic null zones during a cataclysm we evidently pass through a galactic scale asteroid belt and this is the solar system traversing outward in the galaxy and we pass through this asteroid belt and we hit these tremendous amounts of meteors meteorites not meteors meteorites and asteroids and that's where all the craters on the moon come from that's where the craters on Mars come from and their craters exist here on our planet too the reason we don't see them is because they are washed over by the oceans now Mars does not have any radiation belts it lost its radiation belts fairly recently in a cataclysm because at this time of passing through a null in magnetic field energy if you retain your radiation belt it's because you're in a very strong position

to do so Mars is evidently in a weak position to do so however it's on a fundamental node from the sun so it kept it pretty long it probably lost its radiation belts in a matter of thousands of years ago because there's enough temperature left inside the planet to create moisture on the planet that we see and there were there are so few craters on the planet of Mars that the previous ones had to be wiped out by inundations during cataclysms the moon which was a planet between Earth and Mars on a harmonic ring not a fundamental ring lost its radiation belts a long time ago and the subsequent cataclysms have been recorded by collisions with asteroids until you have this plethora of craters on the moon as we see it today by all that Velikovsky uncovered in terms of legends we have to go along with the moon being captured by the Earth 11,500 years ago and he erroneously mistakes what the civilizations of those times calls Venus for the Venus that we call Venus today

the moon had to be their Venus and it went into its new orbit around the Earth 11,500 years ago this is my interpretation of Velikovsky's work which makes it a lot more plausible incidentally the moon just couldn't have come out of the Earth if we look at the position of the planets every planet Mercury and Venus and Earth and Mars are all on fundamental rings the moon is now on a ring that is the first harmonic ring away from the sun so it would naturally be a very small planet if you look at the orbit of the moon about the sun today not about the Earth, about the sun it doesn't loop around like this it zigzags around inside, outside the Earth's orbit like this and that is the path it describes as a result of being captured by our planet but if you take the speed the orbit of where it is when it is outside the Earth and presume that to be the orbit about the sun it comes very close to the orbit of what it should have been by

Kepler's laws before it was captured by the Earth and the speed around the Earth today the tangential speed out there is by Kepler's laws what it should have been orbiting about the sun at that distance any viruses?

I really couldn't say I haven't studied that I'm weak in that area how about that there were some over here questions?

I thought I saw a hand

I'm glad you brought that up we have a pretty strong hypothesis of how these particles are formed I won't go into it here tonight because it's too technical about the hollow Earth theory the hollow Earth theory as let's say hypothesis as being a big hollow space inside the Earth down in the mantle to me is impossible to every seismologist is a laugh to me from a point of seismology it is a laugh because the seismology is a firm enough science to show us positively that it's impossible that the density of the Earth of the mantle at those depths is known the speed of seismic waves and the deflection of them follows certain mathematical laws which prove that it has to be solid not a hollow down there now let's go into how it could be possible alright if this hollowness exists within the 60 mile thick shell of the Earth now we've got plausibility suppose in our civilization down around the tropics somewhere and let's say for the fun of it

let's put it in the Himalaya mountains or Himalaya mountains and let's put it in maybe Borneo back in the jungles maybe there are caves there where they go deep maybe 10 miles deep no deeper gets too hot gets too close to that molten layer and you go below 10 miles but down there let's say for instance there are tremendous caverns and we've got people there let's get real wild and say they've got all the secrets they've got flying saucers they've got motherships they've got everything down there not only that they've learned how to tap the energy from the 60 mile layer of molten energy below them they know how to tap it and make light from it energy from it they don't need sunlight in fact they probably make more constructive light that doesn't age you as fast you live much longer if you live in those caves but now let's say the next cataclysm comes and they're yanked up to the North Pole along with the Bay of Bengal winding up to the North Pole

remember? and after this is over they climb out to see what will happen oh man it's cold up here and they go back down in it's much better down there let's go wild and say suppose this last civilization had this kind of ability or maybe two civilizations ago and the caves went down their description has to be Pike's Peak and only a handful of these about a dozen of them made it to the top and uh they talk about standing on top of the mountain and watching all of this molten stuff break through below and bury the rest of their tribe in this sea of molten fire and then the ocean came in and rose almost to their feet amidst this howling wind and then it receded and there were just the chief and a handful of young ones and children left who were strong enough to make this run to the top and all of their laws were just wiped out they could reproduce as fast as they could at any age to replenish the tribe and this was the seed of all of the western tribes

after Noah's flood this group of Indians uh the crowns for food the pestilence there are hardly any plant lives there's nothing what do you eat? what do you dig with? what do you write with? that's where Stone Ages come from why is it that the old Stone Ages 11,000 years ago

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the new Stone Age at 6,500 uh their description has to be Pike's Peak or bought a dozen of them, made it to the top. And they talk about standing on top of the mountain and watching all of this molten stuff break through below and bury the rest of their trough in this sea of molten fire. And then the ocean came in and rose almost to their feet amidst this howling wind. And then it receded, and there were just the chief and a handful of young ones and children left who were strong enough to make this run to the top. And all of their laws were just wiped out. They could reproduce as fast as they could at any age to replenish the tribe. And this was the seed of all of the western tribes after Noah's flood, this group of Indians. But to scrounge for food, the pestilence, there are hardly any plant lives. There's nothing. What do you eat? What do you dig with? What do you write with? That's where Stone Age has come from.

Why is it that the old Stone Age is 11,000 years ago, the new Stone Age is 6,500 years ago? They date right along with the last two cataclysms. Everybody's driven back to a Stone Age every time it happens. That's why we need to retain more seeds of civilization for the next time. All right. So this is what they find when they come down and look after it and they say, let's get out of here. It's much better up on the mothership. So if there are motherships, then that's where they stay, wouldn't you? And believe me, we know that if you're going to build one like that, can't you build it without disease, without crime? What's civilization here compared to that? Yes.

I'll answer you by saying that I believe from our work in body two ology, if you want to call it that, that the reverse is true. That times of disruption within the earth create bad thoughts in men and women. And that times of peace within the earth bring peace within the thoughts of men and women. Now, certain races, some races have far more sensitive equilibrium systems than other races. Some animals have far more highly developed equilibrium systems than other animals, ducks and geese. Do you remember the Alaskan earthquake? Did you read in the newspapers what happened in the Tacoma Zoo? At the very instant of onset of the earthquake, before the seismic waves, the waves had a chance to leave the area. The animals in the Tacoma Zoo started setting up a real holler. And the peculiar thing about it was the orderliness with which it progressed. It started with the animals with the highest degree of equilibrium sense,

the navigational sense, the ducks, the geese. It went from there on down to anthropoids, right down to the animals of least equilibrium sense. But they started in that order and it was a clamor second to none. And the owners and the keepers of the zoo say that happens every time there's an earthquake. But that time was particularly bad that they were animals were all frantic because of it. And it's a kind of a clamor that cows are said to put up every time they are approached by a UFO. Why? Because their navigational references knocked off Kilder by the energy coming from the ship into the ground, upsetting their normal navigational reference. To answer your question further beyond what you asked, it is so powerful a thing for people to gather together and think the same thought that they can influence almost anything they want to. If people were to gather together in rings and join hands around a center in concentric rings

and think the same thought, they could almost govern the policy of a nation, depending on the size of their rings. A very famous sensitive in Nebraska told a friend of mine in a private session that the day other people will feel we are ready to be communicated with, by people of other worlds, will be the day that we gather enough people in, well, something as big as the Coliseum, who are all firmly in the belief and the faith that what they are doing will succeed. And they all join hands concentrically, and all think the same thought under one leader in the center, who is speaking that thought out loud. And it comes through as one thought, with no jamming, no disbelief, that means. Then we are ready as a civilization to be communicated with by others. And it really makes sense, if you've ever studied ESP. I differ with that for one reason.

Now this, I had not planned on saying this tonight, but I'll, I'll say it. We have found in our ventures into this body two world, that, the body two, the subconscious, the soul, call it what you will, does not always wait till death to leave body one. Sometimes it will leave in a glowing spiritual astral experience. Sometimes it will leave in neared brushes with death, and come right back. But we find that under conditions of tremendous pressure, I'm talking about indoctrinal pressure, of a religious nature, of parental pressure, of educational pressure, where you are said, you told your, you think like I tell you to think or else. And you get this long enough, the body two will say, I will have no more of this and leave. And you have literally a person, without a body two. And we find a prevalence of this, state of existence. In communists. Absolutely no empathy. A person without a body two. And you cannot reach them with prayer.

What's the alternative? Yes. I wrote a book called Fight for Your Life. This was in manuscript. And, it gave the scientific facts about cancer and cancer treatment. And about a year ago, we were approached after a speech I gave on cancer, by some very fine businessmen in Palos Verdes estate, who asked us to form a trust, which we did. It's called the Cancer Science Charitable Trust. And they gave thousands to this trust, to the work that we are doing. And the purpose of this trust is to get the best possible scientific means for the treatment of cancer and leukemia, into the hands of the medical profession, legally as soon as possible. We are succeeding to the extent, that the use of amygdalin is now legal in this state. Amygdalin. A-M-Y-G-D-A-L-I-N. Erroneously known as Laetrile. It's legal to a limited extent, in that the California Advisory Council will allow its use, only on application by a reputable physician.

We expect to, by June or July, sponsor clinical work, and, one of our more famous foundations, hospitals right here, in the Los Angeles area, to take the last step to making it generally legal to use this treatment everywhere. We've gone through the first steps of going through the animal efficacy tests, and animal toxicity tests. And while all of this fight was going on, nobody had ever taken the trouble to go through the legal steps necessary. The fight was over nothing. All anyone had to do was to obey the law, and it would have been accepted. The National Cancer Institute has duplicated our animal toxicity and animal efficacy tests, and are endorsing this treatment from top to bottom, saying it's the best thing that ever came through the Institute. There is no fight. There's no war. Better we not publish that book. Understand? Laetrile came... Now, I'll get technical for a moment. You can find a million, you can find amygdalin,

A-M-Y-G-D-A-L-I-N, in Webster Merriam's International Dictionary. It's been known to the chemistry profession for 200 years. It's known that it's been non-toxic intravenously in the human being for that long a time. It's comprised of an aromatic molecule and a cyanide molecule and two sugar molecules, two dextrose molecules, and two amygdalin molecules. The Laetrile first conceived was a manufactured substance similar to that, which had, instead of the two sugar molecules, a glucuronic acid molecule, which does not occur in nature. It was called Laetrile. And the name was loosely applied to amygdalin. See? And to stay legal, and to stay correct, we say amygdalin now, because that's what it is. Now, we know that when we get this treatment to people, and incidentally we're legally treating people now, bringing them out of the terminal. I have a couple of beautiful cases of it. There won't be enough amygdalin around.

You get it out of apricot pits, and within a few months it'll be all gone. We've got to synthesize, and we've already known what it takes to synthesize, and we're going to synthesize something else, and go through all the testing all over again, and be ready for it. We can see where, within a year to two years, we'll have cancer and leukemia wiped out in this country. There are a thousand people a day dying of cancer and leukemia in this country today. What's Vietnam? What's automobiles? Yes.

A person submits to individual pressures on himself in this way, and losing his body too. In the Christian world, he can get it back with prayer. Communists don't pray.

Well, no. We have been through experimental work that is almost unbelievable. We have also been through devising a training program to train anybody to communicate this way, and we had a teenager who could communicate a whole pack of cards, receive a whole pack of cards without error after the training. It's quite possible to train anybody this way. I mean anybody. Yes. Everybody has the ability. Everybody's born with it. And everybody can get it back through proper training. And it is possible to scan any group and get a reading of the group by this means of communication. And this is what we did. We scanned groups. Yes. And the response you get from a group is interesting. The response we got from criminal groups was very interesting. Fascinating. I contend that if this means were used to its fullest extent, we could understand and fight crime in this country far better than we're dreaming of right now. It takes a, almost,

it takes a separate unit of people trained for this who don't even associate with civilization. Because the minute you associate with normal civilization, you are forced back into this position of severing the body one and body two functions. So, you have to fight to get back the tie between conscious and subconscious every day. Yes. I can scan this group

and get negative thoughts from any place in the room. Oh, I get the positive ones. You bet. But you'd be surprised how negative ones stand out, like a sore thumb. Oh, yes. I've had some very interesting experiences in this respect. Back in 1962, up till that time, anybody who talked about cataclysmology was considered a real crackpot. He was a nut of the first order. And on the day our fourth child was born, I was supposed to give a talk on cataclysmology at the University of Wichita. And I stayed with Eleanor all day. And I was, let's see, I didn't leave till 10.30 that morning after the child was born. And I took a flight to Oklahoma City and they met me with a private plane there and flew me to Wichita. I had a quick shower and showed up at the banquet just in time to start dinner. And I hadn't had my clothes off except for that shower for 48 hours. It was a... Oh, this is something else I'm going to get into. I've got to say this

because we've done work on natural childbirth for years. And another thing we found out in this body tube business is that how a child is born shapes his body too, as to whether it's battling or peaceful. And natural childbirth is one of the greatest influences toward an emotionally healthy child from that respect you could ever hope for. I won't go into the details, but there are details of why. Anyway, when I stood up to talk that night, I think I was more relaxed than I'd ever been in my life. 48 hours. And I talked. They had me... Oh, I found out after I got there that this was a symposium of every professional scientific and engineering society in the state of Kansas. And they had me there to talk to them on catechismology. And the table right in front of me of about 30 people was all the geologists. And physicists way over there and everybody else. Just amazing. And all through my speech, I was on my feet talking from 8.30 till 11.30.

Three hours. They had me in a two-hour question and answer session. And about 2,000 people there and not a soul left. And all through the speech and the question and answer session, I was getting signals from over at this direction that were tending to bury me. Oh, it was awful. I was getting beautiful signals from the geologists. I was utterly amazed. I thought I'd get them from down there. And I had to stop in the middle of the Q&A session. I said, somebody over at the physics table is fighting mad at me. And I want him to stand up and give me his question and stop burying it within himself. And this guy stood up in a livid rage and fired a question at me. He had just finished writing his Ph.D. thesis, discounting everything I was saying. And I was upsetting his whole world, you see. And after he did that, the guy who was obviously the head of the geologists' table, an old white-haired gentleman with a happy smiling face,

stood up and he said, Mr. Thomas, our table here, he said, none of us are book boys. We're all practicing geologists out in the field. We see what you talk about. And he said, believe me, we've had the most thrilling night in our lives because you have solved every heretofore unsolved problem in geology with what you said tonight. And he sat back down again. So this guy then, he walked out. Yes. They're doing something

up at Cambridge Research Center on this now. But I read their papers on it and, uh, they're too technically involved in it to get properly involved. Uh, I think that I may submit an unsolicited proposal for Chan Incorporated, which is my company. We, laughingly, say that it stands for Creative Harassments and Nuisances, to do some prime contract work for them. We've done prime contract work for the Air Force. However, we're pretty sure that it's not really plausible in that the astronauts are not isolated to the extent that they can indulge in this as factual communications, reliably. Now, we have, in the past, communicated with them while they were in orbit around the Earth and asked them for questions, asked them questions about their position, their location, and the time and everything. And we purposely were not keeping track of where they were so that this was the only answer we got at the time. After the mission was over,

we went back and checked the information and it was correct. Uh, we've had other interesting experiences. For instance, do you remember the crash of the DC-6, the United DC-6 and the TWA Constellation in the Grand Canyon, oh, ten-some years ago? Remember that? We communicated with the... Now, this is just four years ago we did this. We communicated with a stewardess on the United flight, and she gave us her name. We didn't know who it was. We didn't know who the crew was. She gave us her name. We checked on it and it was her name. So there was that factual verification. And we asked her, what happened after they crashed? And she said, well, everybody was standing around and then we realized that we were dead. I said, well, then what did you do? She said, well, we spent the rest of the day climbing out the canyon. How pitiful! They could have been out like that! You see? That's all it would have taken. Incidentally, in our civilization,

do you realize that we prepare people for birth, we prepare them for life, but we never prepare them for death. And if everybody's going to go through it, you and I, right? I'm in no rush, neither are you. But let me tell you what to expect. And the people who suffer the most are those who die suddenly. Battlefield deaths. Automobile accident deaths. When you die, it's a birth, believe me. The first thing you feel, suppose you die suddenly, like in an automobile accident, the first thing is that you realize you're stark naked. This body, too, doesn't carry the clothes with it, but all it takes is a thought, and it's clothed again. Did you ever dream as a child that you had no clothes on? Lots of people do. That's actually a body, too, experience, where your body, too, is going out, taking a trip during your sleep, and it sees that it's naked. And sometimes, if you remember, you could even think clothes, and you've got clothes on.

That's all it takes. Then the first impulse is to continue doing what you were doing. If you were driving a car, and you were in a crash, well, you want to do it again and keep on going. And you look here, well, there's the car, and by golly, there I am, lying there. No, I can't be. I'm here. You see, what we know also is that the body, too, is your personality, your memory, everything which is you is in body, too, not body, one. It is a part of you that is you, the body, too. Now, so now you say, all right, well, am I alive or am I dead? What do I do? First, conduct a very simple test. Take two fingers and see if you can run one through the other. If you can, it's something different, isn't it? Huh? All right. If you still don't believe it, walk up to somebody who's, you know, walking around like the policeman who's taking notes. Walk up to him and make a crack to him that you never would make to a policeman. See what happens.

If he ignores you and doesn't even act like you're there, well, you can be pretty sure. Now, if you die a normal death, let's say with your boots off and you're sick in bed, be prepared to have friends, friends from the beyond whom you haven't seen for a long, long time come and help you through. And one thing you'll find is that everyone has an assignment in this body tool world. Everyone. You have yours. I have mine. If you find out what this assignment is before you die, so much the better. Some people, especially women, have the assignment of helping babies who die. Imagine the hereafter of a baby who has not had a life. And he's got to be trained somehow. He's got to be given some knowledge or else his hereafter is nothing. There are women who have this task. I know yet of no man who has this task. You've heard of guardian angels? You know what they call themselves? Watchers. There are people who have this assignment.

You all, on the day you're born, you're assigned a watcher. If you want to check this, and you have a Ouija board at home, that is your communications medium. It does not do a thing. There's nothing mysterious about it. There's nothing supernatural about it. All it is an indication for what your nervous system, your body too, is receiving. Treat it like a telephone. When you call somebody on the telephone, first you address, don't you? You dial. Then somebody says hello. Will you just sit there and wait for them to say something? No, you talk to them. You get an answer back. And converse, right? When you write a letter, do you just put a blank envelope in the mailbox? No. You write an address on it. All right, so you want to talk to somebody. If you say it out loud, your body too is putting out the same message. And that's the one that counts. Saying it out loud organizes your body too thoughts. So you say, I want to talk to so-and-so.

I want to talk with Lizzy Glotch in East Hackensack, New Jersey. Lizzy Glotch will answer. But you got to clear the line. Say, I want everybody else off this line. Just Lizzy Glotch. Now, one of the things that you'll find if you use this, and don't ever just stop. When you're on the telephone, you say, well, it's nice talking to you. Goodbye, hang up, right? Don't ever just stop. Close out a conversation. Goodbye. Nice talking with you. Thank you. You're welcome. Use the niceties of everyday politeness. It works. Now, you'll find that if you address central control, you'll get an answer. And this is the foundation of factual information beyond all fanciful dreams. But there are spoofers. There are spoofers. There are liars. There are pretenders. There are wishful thinkers. And you got to sort them out from the truants. There are those who will even masquerade as central control. You've got to... If you doubt what you're told,

you jam the system. And this is interesting. Faith brings success. And this, to me... Oh, boy, we could talk about Jesus here, walking on the water. Now, Jesus knew how to make his body, too, leave his body, too, leave his body, one, and do acts of benefit to other people with it. And to demonstrate this to his disciples, he said, Look, I'll make my body, too, walk on water. And he showed them. And he had trained them well enough to where they were seeing his body, too, with their body, twos, and their body, ones. They had connection, which he had trained them to have. Yet they didn't understand it. They thought that he, himself, with his body, one, was out there in the water. And he was doing this to train them, to teach them how to live in the body, too, world. Oh, we could go into a... That's another lecture of mine called Jesus on the Cross. We know so much about what he did then. Yes. Well, first of all,

we live in a world of social acceptability, scientific acceptability. I'm speaking things here tonight which are scientifically repugnant. You understand? And I know that. And I know that I could be hung from the highest yard arm as a scientist for saying that. Yet I'm just saying it because I think they're of value to say. People who are raised in an intellectually, spiritually free environment with very little parental pressure, if none, if possible. Children who don't lie ever grow up to be this kind of a person. You understand? It's amazing to associate with a child like that because they're untouched. They're untouched by the pressures of civilization which demand that you lie. My, you have the prettiest hat on today. You know, like hell she does. You know? Just a chance remark like that has its effect. To say something you don't mean has its effect on severing your own body one and body two, your own conscious and subconscious.

No. Every child is born with its conscious and subconscious, as far as we can determine, closely tied together. It is only by influence around that child that the two are severed. And to me, if this is true, it speaks so loudly for God's intent of how civilization should be. We're given the chance at birth to live the kind of life that would be fantastic. If suppose that the rule of society that for your social maturity, your measure of sharing what's in your mind were paramount. If you were found starting to, trying to hide what's in your mind, you'd be sent to the asylum. See? You'd be, not to the asylum, you'd be sent for training. You'd be sent to the psychiatrist for reattachment of body one and body two. See? And maybe the psychiatrist wouldn't be a psychiatrist anymore. He'd be the, a brand new profession, which is a combination of doctor, minister and psychiatrist. He'd have to be, wouldn't he? Uh, who would dare plan a crime?

Who would dare plan a war? Who would dare intend to do evil to anyone else? Many of the thoughts which we have today which society tells us are evil would be so standard to everyone we realize they're not evil at all. It's only intent to do evil to others that is truly evil, I think. Uh, other thoughts aren't really evil. Uh, and who would dare to intend he'd be uncovered like that if we all shared minds, if we all retained this tie between one and two. Jean Dixon has a fabulous tie between her body one and body two and it's her watcher that feeds her information about the future. Yes? Well,

I really don't know how you change a society. Jesus got himself killed for trying to do it too fast. Uh, the individual can't do it because it's wiped out by society the minute you put a child in school. We had our children's, our teenagers' minds, one and two's, connected to the extent it just took two weeks in an Easter vacation. We said, and they went back to school, one of them in high school, one of them in junior high, and they came back from school that day and my, our son said to my, gosh, he said, what's, what's an exam? I know what the teacher's thinking, I know what the kids are thinking. She's thinking all the right answers up there. Uh, our very educational system is founded on the basis of hiding what's in your mind. Our daughter came home from junior high and said, oh my gosh. She said, if all the girls in school knew how to do this, not one of them would dare have a catty thought again. Uh, and it just took a matter

of a few weeks and they were severed again. They couldn't keep them and our six-year-old child was absolutely fabulous in this means of communication. All it took was a month in kindergarten. she'd come home and it's amazing when this severance takes place. The spark goes out of a child's eyes. Do you remember on Danny Kaye's Christmas show a few years ago, this child, Victoria, sat on his lap and she sat there with stars in her eyes looking at him, seeing something, something, expedaliosis, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, no child could say that on her own. But you see, show people to be a good transmitter, let's say, to be a good transmitter of ESP, you put out the same signal with your body two that you do your body one. And what you do with an audience is actually capture every one of their subconscious with your subconscious. A good speaker, a good showman has this ability of putting out everything he's putting out subconsciously

as well as consciously. Johnny Carson has it. Danny Kaye has it. And here this child, who still had a strong connection between body one and body two, sat there reveling in the concept that here is an adult who's telling me the same thing with his voice as he is with his mind. And all she did was voice back what he was communicating to her. He was sending her supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. And she was just saying it as he thought it, you see? And she captivated the whole country, the letters he got. He had her back. Well, right after that, her mother, who was a frustrated actress, took the girl and gave her training, see? Pressure here, pressure there, pressure here, dancing, at that age. And she revolted against this. She was thrown into the world of severed ones and twos. She rebelled against the whole thing. She came back on his show and had no communication with him and was worthless. He never had her back again. And you could see her eyes had changed.

We saw this in our third child. Literally, the stars leave a child's eyes when this happens. It's tragic, literally. Our civilization will mature when we realize this. When we open a special school somewhere and we send children there and bring them up this way to retain that tie, then we'll mature. That's what to do about it. I didn't think of that until just now. Let's open an experimental school somewhere and send children to pre-kindergarten there where the teacher doesn't say, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. But, any child who commits evil to another child is out. Only children who do not do evil to other children are allowed there. There are enough children going around. There are enough children available that you're allowed that rule. You'll be full. That school will be full. I'll bet you if I put a notice out in the paper that we are opening a school like this in one year, it would be jammed. Just jammed.

And send those children all through school. No exams. The minute you have an exam, you cut the conscious and subconscious. You can't give a school with no exams to present-day civilization. But the minute you start a civilization that says, we share minds, not when we want to, but all the time, you've got the only available next step forward. Religion hasn't done it, has it? It's a tragic thing. Yes. It's all right. Yes. All right.

Let's talk body, too, I suppose. This is the soul. All right? This is what I meant by soul. There are two ways to annihilate a body, too. You don't annihilate it. You break it up. You destroy its entity. First of all, its entity. You destroy its structure. It's a gathering of particles. If there is some way to scatter those particles, then you've broken up the structure. All right? And nuclear detonation will scatter those particles. In the vicinity of the nuclear detonation. Everywhere in that detonation that atoms are broken up, that structure will be broken up and scattered. Well, I think that the person,

the personality, the memory, the experience is all recorded and is part of the gathering of those particles. The function of the human mind having to do with memory is yet to be found. There is no place in the brain where memory can be found. The other way to destroy a body, too, is to put that body, too, in an inner core somewhere. If a body, too, doesn't know that it can travel to the extent that it can, which is anywhere, sometimes it doesn't know that it has to stay out of inner cores, inner core of a galaxy, inner core of a planet, inner core of a star. There is no, the magnetic field inside is so small that the body, too, particles will collapse into each other. It would just end right there. The particles would exist, but not as that entity anymore. Oh, my! I wish I'd brought with me something I just thought of, which came out of the temples in Hindustan 3,000 years ago. It is a recording by the Hindus as given to them by prehistoric civilizations of India

of the end of a planet, the end of a universe. And their description is so fantastically correct as to, it lends credence to a lot of things that we thought were the wildest of dreams. Their description of the shrinking of atoms to nothing, the shrinking of all living life, the disappearance of waters, and the stopping of time as we know it, and the time clock as to the age of our universe was so correct as to where we are right now as to compared to when we started. I think they said 4.32 billion years is our half-life, which is awfully correct. It's a very vivid thing that they described. Now, we have reason to believe that the universe as we know it is only one of many, many, almost an infinite number of universes. Perhaps, indeed, an infinite number of universes. And as each one is born with the big bang, that big bang is when it escapes from an inner core of a parent universe. And it goes through an outer core energy zone

of that universe and explodes, and that was our big bang. And it scatters, and we are expanding now in an expanding universe. And as we go out and out and out, parts of our universe will wind up in other inner cores of other universes eventually. And as we approach, if we could, it would be time to leave and find another universe to live, wouldn't it? And there is every reason to believe as far as I am concerned on my own hypothesis that man is old enough of being to where he has lived through many universes and moved from universe to universe and came here from a previous universe via space travel. And let's look at the plausibility of that. If you look at our planet alone, and you look at how it operates as a motor and a generator, and it's rotating and orbiting, and it's taking energy in the North Pole and energy out the South Pole and energy emanating from it in terms of collisionless particles emanating from it. Suppose we, instead of one South Pole,

could put three South Poles. And somehow within it direct this energy out any one, two or three of the South Poles. And let's make it hollow and put people in it instead of on it. And make this collisionless particle thing controllable inside so we create a gravitational field inside commensurate with that that is on our planet. Now we've got a, functionally, a freely navigating planet rather than one which just orbits and rotates. And within this world of collisionless particles, if we can make it behave only in answer to the laws governing those, the speed of travel will take you to Saturn in five minutes. Or will take you to Andromeda over the weekend. You see? It's far more plausible than we are led to believe by today's technology. So I firmly believe that man is a far more, older creature than we are led to believe on this planet. We came, I think we came here from another world. I think that possibly some scouting is going on

from people who are looking for a new world to go to now. From people looking from a universe that's time to leave. It's possible. Yes? Two questions.

That information which is stored in the Pyramid of Kuku, the Pyramid of Khufu at Giza, was meant for our civilization now. Well, what happened to it? Well, we, the Egypt itself would be inundated partly and emerged again as the land of the ancient, the land of the ancients after the next time. The Pyramid would not be the true, the reference to true north that it is today. If we were to build that Pyramid today, it would be impossible, first of all, to survey it in as accurately as it is surveyed in with reference to true north. We can't survey that accurately. And yet, whoever laid it in predicted our north before the cataclysm with the accuracy that it is. Because it was laid out with respect to the present north before the last cataclysm. Now, I can't say really what would happen to it. Maybe we'll get around to building one for the next civilization. I don't know. We've got to discover more truths. We've got to put in it

than we have, I think. Now, what was God's design? First of all, I think that physical death in God's design is not as significant as our civilization makes it out to be. So I think the significance of cataclysms is not that significant. We are in the midst of the half-life of our universe, which puts our cataclysms much closer together. Now, let's, let's, let's name periods of time. The last cataclysm was 6,500 years ago. The one before that was 5,000 years before that. And that was the shortest interval between cataclysms. Halfway between was the half-life of our universe. The one before that was 7,000 years before that. The one before that was 10,500 years before that. The one before that was 14,750 years before that. These are all mathematically derivable. Now, it's so that our civilization is in the midst of the times of when they do come closer together than ever before. Think of what it takes. It takes about 5,000 years

for man just to stagger back to his feet again as a civilization after one of these. Look at what's happened in the past 100 years. Oh, I can talk about that all the technology in the world. But you can talk about advances of civilization in terms of some very simple things, like man's attitude toward woman in childbirth. I can remember when the profession of obstetrician was scorned in the medical profession. It was only a few centuries ago that every woman in Europe had to be baked in front of a fire to rid her of her sins after the child was born. Look at the knowledge of just how to deliver a baby in the past 50 years. Look at the attitude of man toward his fellow man just in the past 30 years. Our beat generation today, our hippie generation, is seeking a way, he doesn't know how, but he's seeking something better than we've got. Those who are not of the criminal element within it, and they are not given the guidance,

they don't know how, I say, and I could be wrong, of course, I'm only human, I say that the only real way is to teach our young people the retaining of the tie between body one and body two. So God's design, first of all, is when man refuses to regulate his own population, do it for him. And we certainly refuse to regulate our own population. As long as you have any religion, and there are a whole hat full of religions like this, I'm not naming one, any religion that says multiply as fast as you can with no restraints, you're going to have life as cheap as it is. And with life as cheap as it is, you're going to have war and crime. We've got an awful lot of maturing to do. Let's have just two more, one from you. Well, we're not sure what civilization built the pyramids. We really don't know. Legend says that a tall, blond, blue-eyed race built it, which is certainly not there today. Yes? Who does?

Oh, well, we,

the magnetic fields outside the North and South Poles are conical, but they change into trap fields around, you see. Oh, well, now,

you're going to have, inside the Earth, let's see, let's take, this is the Earth, okay? And you have a magnetic field coming into the North Pole, let's say, right at the Arctic Circle, okay? It doesn't just go through like that. It comes in and goes around like that and out. Now, this going out and around is a very interesting thing. Previously, we thought they did go through like that, but the Russian work in Earth currents showed that the magnetic fields and the Earth currents in the Earth gather much, they change much more rapidly with a change in depth than we ever had dreamt. Which indicates a condensation of energy in the molten layer

[02:28:39] Questions and closing discussion

60 miles down. Now, if you have a magnetic field going this way outside and this way inside, somewhere, and it's going this way clear to the surface of the Earth, somewhere between where it goes this way inside and this way at the surface, there's a null zone, right? So, right within our Earth, we have a null zone of no magnetic field strength. Now, the magnetic structure of a planet with radiation belts is the same as any blue-white star, is the same as any galaxy like our Milky Way, like Andromeda, which means that there are areas in the galaxy of magnetic reversal within the galaxy. You see? And what we are evidently doing is traversing these reversals for cataclysms. Now, since a galaxy has the same shape of trapped fields, that means there is a big conical shape immediately above the North Pole and outside the South Pole of a galaxy, just like outside a star or a planet with radiation belts. Okay? Well, we've got to... It's getting late,

so we've got to close tonight. I've just got to tell you that one of the greatest pleasures in my life is sharing minds with people, and I've enjoyed very much sharing minds with you and having you share yours with me tonight. Thank you very much. The following is a speech

given by Rex Studer at the Spiritual Unity of Nations on May 9, 1968, subject, The Esoteric Significance of Flying Saucers. It is my privilege

to introduce Reg Dutter, B-A-F-Z-S. Reg Dutter had an expansion of consciousness in 1953. We have all had such initiatory experiences of one type or another, or we would not be here today. But, Rex Dutter's already expanded consciousness was expanded still further when he came into direct contact with a flying saucer. He will tell you about this experience. Since that time, in 1953, he has been a director of the Flying Saucer Review, and his experience also taught him to delve deeply into the ancient wisdom, and he has done this since that time, mainly with the Theosophical Society. My friends, I introduce to you Rex Dutter.

Mr. Chairman, friends, two points of view. First, anything I say is merely a personal point of view. It doesn't implicate any organization, particularly the TS. Secondly, I thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for your very kind introduction. A little overwhelming. I assure you, please don't misunderstand it. All I did was come into the saucer field, if you like, in 1953 by reading a book, and since have been extremely interested in the subject. But beyond that, I don't go. Now, before the talk, which is on the esoteric significance of sources, as I understand, our friends, the BBC, are here, and as there was this very good program last night for an hour and a quarter on BBC TV, you might perhaps like a very short summary of it, and I hope our friends, the BBC, will not be too cross if I make a comment or two on the program. Basically, it was a very good one. Basically, it was very fair. Basically, it intended to show the people who see saucers

rather than the theories about them, and it was done by a professional hypnotist, and it so often happens in Earth life, if one's a professional anything or other, whatever it might be, one tends to look at it from that point of view, and it sometimes happens that point of view is a little too narrow. It can be. It can happen too often. It can happen to anybody, the saucer man included. They showed, for example, photographs. Mrs. Oldfield, a lady who was flying from London to Blackpool, took a photograph through the window of the aircraft, and the BBC then, they say afterwards, reproduced it and proved to their own satisfaction that all she saw was the tail fin of the airplane. But please, Mr. BBC, do be honest. Mrs. Oldfield said she saw that thing through the window, with her eyes, i.e., she was not looking through the curved bit at the corner where your camera was, where it comes through the curved bit, distorts the fin, retreats, and the fin disappears.

This, frankly, is cheating, sir. Also, her husband simultaneously saw it visually, both with eyes looking through the center of the porthole. Then she sent him to get the camera while she was still looking at it. Then he came back, could still see it, then they photographed it, and you can't cheat that into just a viewpoint of a camera through the curved end of a porthole. Similarly, they showed us a sighting, a very good one, in America, of Zarocco. A police patrolman hears an explosion, goes down there in time to see the saucer rising and goes away. The professional hypnotist is pleased to think that this policeman with a good reputation is a hypnotic subject and was hallucinating himself. Would you please note, Mr. BBC, first, the scorch marks on the ground which were found by the second policeman. Second, the additional policeman also saw the saucer going away. Was he hallucinated too? Three, the landing marks which are still there and which your own film showed.

Was that hallucination and hypnotic subject too? These sort of cheats, Mr. BBC, are the treatment which is just not fair. I'd continue with this all through. Thank you very much. And if you want details, I'll go through them, but frankly, it's not worth it. They also showed a very fine BOAC pilot, Captain Howard, who watched the saucers for 20 minutes with his co-pilot, his crew, the passengers and the crew who were there to see the saucer. They also showed a very fine BOAC pilot, Captain Howard, who watched the saucers for 20 minutes with the passengers and so on. And the feeling that Captain Howard brought out, the hypnotist was trying to say, were you afraid of them, saucers? And Captain Howard and his crew and the stewardess who came on TV said, no, it was friendly. We felt a sense of loss when they had gone. And that was the keynote all the way through. The policeman at Sirocco, the hypnotist was trying to say, were you afraid? And he said, yes,

of the flames. And he said, are you afraid? He said, no, of the flames which were coming up. I waited till the flames finished before I went. Of the saucer, I was not afraid. And this sense of loss when they have gone, I think, was the keynote of Captain Howard. He had a lovely face, lovely voice, so had the stewardess, and I feel their sincerity and honesty came through. And all the people interviewed had this note of love, non-fear, separativeness, a positive factor. And I'm afraid the hypnotist kept harping on fear. And it ended on a keynote which I'd like, again, to draw your attention to. It's a very dangerous thing to make prophecies, but it's as well to be awake. That program ended with the suggestion that people who see saucers tend to be hypnotic subjects. Now, and this was the key line right at the end, perhaps it was missed. To be hypnotized, you need a hypnotist. And the implication left at the end, not stated explicitly, but left at the end,

positively can be developed later if we're not careful, is that somebody hypnotized these people. And that somebody was the saucer, or the beings in the saucer. No, but this danger of planting fear in humanity's mind of the unknown is one that we've had since the day humanity came. And if you look at the saucer field, the rhythm is this. 1947, expression, flying saucers is born. For seven years, a rather interesting number, seven till 54, round the planet we talked of saucers. Round the planet, whether you were Chinese, American, English, Dutch, Greek, or Turkish, all your newspapers, all your governments talked of saucers, all your minds. Then came a censorship. Sorry about the word, but if you look through the newspapers of the world, you will find this is true, and this is an academic exercise anybody can do. It's quite easily repeatable by anybody. 1954, no mention of saucers, whether it's a Chinese press or an American, or Russian.

Interesting combination. Before that, plenty. This period of silence lasted. Then, came another period of ridicule. If you saw a saucer, if you believed in saucers, you were a crank. Then, came the period of conventional explanations. It was a balloon. After we put up the first satellite, it was a satellite. It was temperature inversion. It was high-flying geese. It was some darn thing or other. It was the tail fin of this plane seen through the corner. Any conventional explanation. Then, last of all, came the period of flat denial. And about every six months, you had the United States and the United States Air Force getting up and saying they don't. And while they kept on saying they don't exist, hundreds upon thousands of people kept seeing them. Trained personnel, people in the air, people on ground. Some of the sightings, tonight, I don't need to go into what we call the nuts and bolts approach, proving the reality, though this must first be done

before we can examine the esoteric significance. But the nuts and bolts approach is the most important thing for us to understand what is happening in the world today. The nuts and bolts approach would, is easily done. For example, you get an aircraft flying in the air. The pilot sees it and locks on with his radar. That's visual and radar. Simultaneously, ground control see it visually and ground radar picks it up. So you've got a four-fold check. And there are many such instances. If you want, I can give you these. So, my friends, let's get on to the subject the esoteric significance. What are sources for? Why are they here? If the reality is agreed, how long have they been here? And this was the first shock in investigation that I found. Others may have been prepared for it. I was quite happy to scratch around with radar, films, landing reports. And, like many people, I thought life began more or less with cricket and the public school, you know. There's some

barbarian somewhere. And sources are mentioned in the Bible. All right. Sources are mentioned in the Vedas, the Hindu Vedas. Whatever the date of the Vedas, they're certainly at least 5,000 B.C. So that's 7,000 years. If you want to argue about that date, sources were mentioned by the pharaohs of Egypt. Well, now if sources have been here since the pharaohs of Egypt, it's a practical thing, like landing in Hyde Park, shooting up a few grenadier guards and having tea with the queen. I mean, that's the proper thing to do, isn't it? Then you'd understand them. And then, if they go on and show us how to make a bigger gun and shoot somebody else up better, well, then we give them a, you know, they're fine. We all clap. Instead of that, they don't exist. But then the damn things keep appearing on radar. One of the things last night on this film, it showed that there was a very nice man who'd filmed the saucer through his car. Then you get this tame scientist hanging models

outside a similar car, photographing it with a similar camera and proving that you could more or less fake. And you were left with that. Except they had to go on and show the experiment in Norway in 1954. The Norwegian government wanted to photograph an eclipse of the sun. It sent up three separate aircraft, specially equipped, 50 scientists aboard, hand-picked equipment, no glass in the porthole so that you wouldn't get refraction of light, all this sort of thing. They photographed the eclipse of the sun. This is the first time that I've seen these two flying saucers. The chief cameraman hurriedly unpacks his equipment and takes a ten-second colour film of saucers, which was shown last night on TV. And thank you very much for that, Mr BBC. It was really well done. But can you honestly imagine what it would have been like if you hadn't seen it? You see, the saucers were there, metallic, revolving, two of them. So we get back to these questions. Why don't the darn things land

in Hyde Park? And then you get stories, at least I got stories, as the change in lots and bolts mined, why the saucers wouldn't land. I couldn't understand why if there was intelligence in these things, the manoeuvrability they had, the clear pattern they showed, why there wasn't contact. So I started looking for contacts, people, known contacts, known contacts, because it's my personal belief that only the failures and the martyrs are known. Three thousand. Well, if, Mr Chairman and friends, you don't even know the names of these people, let alone you haven't read their stories, and if you've dismissed it, in the name of God, you'll have no chance of finding them. I started investigating these in the same sort of way one might do a market research before putting a product out. It's no good seeing one man, or two, at least not sufficient sources. Well, it's entirely your privilege to think that I'm hallucinated, gullible, etc. But you would do perhaps better to do the investigation yourself and see the reality.

And each time the standard questions were asked by the earthlings, to the sorcerer people, to the minister, why don't you go to the government scientist, somebody who counts. And that was a standard question. And the other question was, where does the sorcerer come from? Now, those two questions, and why don't they land at Hyde Park, that triple approach is the point. And I couldn't answer it with nuts and bolts. I had to go beyond the five senses. And I think everybody in this room has done that, otherwise you wouldn't be here, you'd be at the local bingo hall or something like that. So, what was the essential common factor in these 50 earthlings? Why was that one picked and not the prime minister or the president or the archbishop or the caliph or the great temple priest or anybody else you like, or the commissar, I don't mind, anything. What was the quality? Would you like to guess? Evolved souls? Yes, but what was the manifesting quality? What? Yes, but how does love manifest? It's a word we use and

throw about. Open mind? No. Many of them had never even heard of sources. What was the quality? Humility. You see it's the last thing we come to. And when we look at it, humility, gentleness it was, was my word for it, and yet this is the essential quality of a spiritual being. It's the most difficult I think. It's the thing that comes last. It only comes, true humility, not the pretend stuff, you know, when you're not separate from, when you're not above looking down, when you're not on the within and the other chaps without. There really is this flow and this oneness. And it doesn't matter whether it's Narayama, the great god of the Atlanteans 40 hundreds of thousands of years ago, 40 hundreds of thousands of years ago, doesn't matter. This quality of gentleness. And that was a striking thing. And the man and the woman and the child who has gentleness in this physical world. And then, what was the sort of differentiation in this gentleness? Why was he gentle and he full of medals? This chap has all

the newspaper publicity. This chap has got a famous name. This fellow's never known. You take the allegory, this is a Christian country by and behold, he was born in the local salt mines. If you were in Rome at the time, Imperial Rome, you'd never heard of Judea. You had to look in a map to find it. If he were the son of God, why wasn't he born Caesar in Rome? Presumably could have been the Buddha born on the peacock throne at Delhi. All he had was a begging bowl. Muhammad, Prophet Muhammad, he didn't even have a camel. Later came all the great big cathedrals and mosques and everything else and temples. But the great beings themselves had nothing except gentleness. It was a shattering thought. If again, coming back to say Jesus, I mention him only because we're in England. If this were talk in India and Delhi, it would be Lord Krishna the beloved. If it weren't Damascus, it would be Allah the compassionate. To me, there's a oneness of life and these beings are all of the one oneness. If there's

truth in the Christ consciousness, presumably there's nothing on earth which would prevent it from materializing now. And if it has this love and compassion which I believe the great beings have to help humanity, why not do it? Is this not the same as asking the sources to land in Hyde Park? And then what is it about? This expansion of consciousness is a word we throw about. Love is a word we throw about. We need to throw them about because we've got to learn from them. But what is it that we've got to learn? How do we become gentle? Now, it was these questions, and then I began to sort of learn to spell this word spiritual, for example, which was before that rather unfashionable. And I can only give it to, as I find it, as I say it's only a personal viewpoint, learning, I did history amongst other things at universities, I take that seriously. I began looking at the story of mankind on this planet. Well, I believe in Atlantis, I believe in Lemuria, I believe in these evolutionary great arcs

of growth. And it is said that there are sort of seven steps. Would you accept this theory? Well, here you've got spirit, here you've got matter. Actually, I don't believe the two are separate. There's a oneness. I don't believe the cockroach is separate from an archangel. There's a oneness. I don't believe this little village planet Earth is separate from a star a hundred million years ago or a hundred million years ago. And it is said first root race, these seven steps, where coming down from spirit, first differentiation, first veiling towards matter, you get the first sense all over you, sense of touch. Second sense, coming down a little bit further, the second differentiation, a little more detailed sense is the turning point in man's history, where spirit and matter begin to meet, where man first gets a physical body. Time of Lemuria, the land under the Pacific, some eighteen millions of years ago. In the Christian allegory, the fall of man, if you like. I don't want to go into

details. Now he has his free will, he can fall. And the struggle, the age-old one we know of spirit and matter. Fourth race, Atlantis, man is densifying down, this tall, loose, incoherent body of the Lemurians in the Atlanteans is the world's fifth sense, that of mind, sorry, fifth sense, that of taste, and we're developing and showing this fifth quality which is mind. We're as far away from spirit as it's almost possible to go. In fact, the new god we worship called science denies the turning point. And millions of us are striving, yearning, searching for something more. We're coming up this return arc as distinct from the downward. Our sixth sense, our seventh sense, sixth root race, seventh root race, and back here. And this one is now different facets. It's the physical body that we can radiate from. Down here in separateness and selfishness. Here in unity and therefore in love. Here we take, here we give. Now, if this fairy story is true, then we are going to have to change the world. We are going to have to change the

world. We are going to change the world. So if you are a Christian, for two thousand years you've been learning to love your neighbor. If you're a Muslim, for a long period you've been trying to show separativeness. And how can you do it by punching a bloke on the nose? How can you do it by coming in down to Hyde Park and shooting up the Grenadiers? It's pointless. And who's going to do it except you? If something or someone could have done it, it would have

been done. Narayama would have done it in Atlantis and we wouldn't have had any more. Wouldn't have had any wars, disease, disease, all the rest of it. Separativeness. But we had apparently to form this selfish center. Some of us formed it quicker and went on and became what we're pleased to call initiates, masters, and so forth. I believe in such beings, by the way. I don't wish to either offer a personal opinion too strongly or to decry anybody else's. But this pattern of involution, evolution gave me a link. Now this is extraordinarily difficult to put over in a nuts and bolts world. I took a personal stand in 53 and said I believed in it. And by about 54, I'd arrived roughly at this sort of mental conclusion at any rate and was talking about it, was fool enough to talk about it. And therefore was obviously a crank and so on. But I was

also a businessman. In my business, I deal with the tycoon. It's a luxury trade. And by the time the tycoon was gone, I was a businessman. And I was a businessman. And I was a businessman. And I was a tycoon. I dealt with me in business. He realized I wasn't quite such a fool. And then he began to listen. And then people began to ask me to talk. And now you can have subject to flying saucers on a talk like this and the BBC putting on a show like last night. This is a great growth of evolution. This is a great thing I think we owe people like Joseph Busby and his wife Louise who are doing this sort of thing. And other people who've had other conferences like this as well. But you and I and the people who are doing this sort of thing, I think we owe people back. The other question I have for you is whether we're a Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Russian. Because there's nothing wrong with being an atheist. It's just another version of being

some other thing. We've all got this involutionary arc, evolutionary arc. And we have got to on our own two flat feet go and make the change. That, I believe, was the first question of why they didn't land in Hyde Park. Now, the next thing, let's bring in our friends the

Russians. the atheist is a place if there's anything that's true in this consciousness of the one life whether it's a Jesus or a Mohammed or a Krishna or anything they light the lot I cannot conceive of any of these beings saying I like him but I don't like him I know we do that and we have lovely wars about it but I cannot conceive it of the beings themselves and this is what I find with the sources they don't care two hoots which part of the village we live in planet earth Peloponnesian islands or London to them it's the same there's a oneness of life and they're just as interested in the cockroach as they are in any of the big metals that we so like that was another thing this very expression flying saucers I'll be talking of its origin in a minute but its universality is the thing with our nuts and bolts mind we like to give it importance this word isn't serious enough we want unidentified flying objects something which has got some more show-off in it

but the simplest peasant in Africa or Asia or in Mayfair knows what a saucer is it's universal and it's simple and this to me is again the keynote of sources and this to me is again the keynote of anything esoteric all the rest is show-off separative involutionary art as distinct from the beautiful lovely permeating unifying evolutionary arc of oneness now the Russians I give you some nuts and bolts on this please if I may because I feel they're trying to help us the saucers and they're trying to teach the kid half-grown humanity that's all of us in our three thousand millions around this village you know to turn from one to the other and this is perhaps one approach they took to the Russians there they're taught there isn't a God it's just a variation of the one taught here where there is a God or a particular version of it the oneness is still there I believe and the Russian Academy of Sciences began noticing some impulses from out in deep space

I've forgotten the name of the star they called it it was some fantastic distance like a hundred million light years away and they watched it for about a year and at the end of the year they gave out the frequency the time the place and they asked anybody on the planet who was sufficiently interested to watch these impulses because they believed it showed life in other planets and you know of course that our astronomers all our astronomers and so on believe there's life in other planets and if there are perhaps a thousand million planets out there if 10% are inhabited only well that gives you a huge number which have got inhabitants and if only 10% of those are more advanced than us with all our conceit that gives you plenty of places from which sources can come and the Russians gave these facts and we were asked to watch for a year and I don't know whether you remember in the papers a little while ago several months that it came out in a flare

in the headlines the Russians say there's a super civilization out there next day or so Jodrell Bank says oh no it was only a natural phenomenon the thing was forgotten but these were the facts behind first we'd been asked to watch for a whole year around the planet secondly the impulses came through alternately like this 100% strength 80% strength 100% strength 80% strength now we have no technology on this planet we have no technology on this earth which can phase down that volume of strength from 100 to 80 and then bring it up to 100 again it's beyond the wildest dreams of science fiction and it answers the second question of contacts what language do they speak here it was mind to mind whatever language you did or did not speak you could understand 100% 80% 100% 80% the thing was so strong this signal that that it was almost an argument for it being natural phenomena then the phasing was so vast 100 to 80 and back that again it was an argument

for it being natural phenomena but the signals came out every 100 days now the coincidences of it being every 100 days regularly phased take it beyond the ordinary realms of possibility of natural phenomena and it was on these days that it was possible to have natural phenomena and it was on these days that it was possible to have natural phenomena on these bases that the russians were asking us to look and they said it was super civilization trying to contact us now the point of all that is appealing mind to mind making minds think round the planet be it russian be it american what happened if the easiest thing was just to deny it which jodrell bank did but the thinking went on and people began to realize it couldn't be natural phenomena but the thinking went on and people began to realize it couldn't be natural phenomena but the thinking went on and people began to realize it couldn't be natural phenomena then there was another question

if this thing came with the speed of light 186,000 miles a second and took a 100 million years or whatever it was to come here how did that bloke know that in a hundred million years there'd be a thing here called russia and how it communicates to it and then we come to the other thing that maybe these people move with the speed of thought maybe they don't go from point a to point b along that plane maybe they don't go from point a to point b along that plane but come to a within plane, we call it the mental, and then out again. And you could move as quickly as that to Venus and back. Because otherwise, how do you explain signals so long ago? Because there was another factor with sources. For example, radio waves go up to the ionosphere or somewhere like that and come down again in a given number of seconds. You can't hurry them, you can't slow them down. It's way beyond the wildest reach of science fiction.

When sources are about, they often take the radio wave, hold it for three seconds, and then release it. Now that again is mind to mind. Any technician can understand it, and no technician has the faintest idea of how to do it. And again, it begins to make you think. And I believe that the second question, that the contactee asked, why me, why not the government scientist, is related to the Christ not being born Caesar in Rome, but being in the local salt mines, and coming from the ground up, you can accept or reject. Muhammad came from the ground up, you can accept or reject. And in the acceptance or the rejection, you can listen to me or not, you think, you feel, you sense. You search, you seek, and you change yourself from involution to evolution. And you've got to do it yourself. That's my main point. It's not very dramatic. I don't believe truth is dramatic. It's not very sudden. Again, I don't believe truth is sudden.

Not real truth. If it had been dramatic and sudden, Jesus would have just done it. He'd come here now. Christian. A Christian would no doubt join him, and so would the others. But it isn't done that way. Clearly it's not. We know that from history. And we've got to grow. We need these guides. We need these helps. We need these getting together. We need the phenomena in the sky. But it's your flat feet that you need as much as anything else to get you on your way. Why was the allegory of the Christ going through on an ass? What was the ass? Except you and I. What was the star upstairs that's kept your inner self and mine? And what was the difference between your inner self and my inner self? All the spiritual content of this little village earth, and the spiritual content of a star a hundred million light years away. Do you mean there's a separate God for that one and a separate God for this village? Or is there a oneness?

And that oneness isn't linked in time. Not limited to time. Did it really start a couple of thousand years ago or ten thousand?