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Undated Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding John Mccoy

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [21:51] Main address
• [01:06:46] Development of the main themes
• [01:39:32] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

I have an opportunity and pleasure tonight to be able to introduce Mr. John McCoy, who we believe is going to have a wonderful message for us tonight. So, Mr. John McCoy, thank you. First of all, before I make any remarks at all about being here, I would like to mention

the book table in the back. The prize, of course, have a full house as usual, and there are a couple of very interesting issues of understanding, which if you don't have, you really should. I'm going to. I'm going to quote from one tonight, which I feel is a very important issue. On my own book table, we have Dr. Williamson's book, Other Tongues, Other Flesh, which I imagine that most of you are familiar with. If not, I think you'll find it is one of the better books in the field today. It starts in Cyclopedia, and it bears not only reading, but a great deal of study. I'm starting my third time around. And now, also, my own book, They Shall Be Gathered Together, is available and purchased with Other Tongues. There is a discount on that. We also have a little 10-cent booklet, a reprint of the Life magazine article of April 1952,

which almost blew the lid off Saucers. You probably recall that it was mentioned in the UFO movie and in several of the books. We thought that some of you people might be interested in having a copy of this historic article, so we reprinted it, and it is available back there. And fourthly, we are taking advance orders on a new book co-authored by Dr. Williamson and myself entitled UFOs Confidential. It is $3, and it will be a full-length, hardcover book. It will be concerned in Dr. Williamson's part. With the radio contacts made in 1952 by Mr. R., whose name will be revealed in this book,

and the original affidavit with his name on it will be published, and so forth. Also, discussions of how the government interfered shortly after the contact was established, and how Mr. R., later on, went to work for the government, will be revealed, the identity of the subject. A challenge group will be discussed, and in my section, the government shenanigans that were pulled after the Padre Island contact in Texas, and several other things of this

nature, including some sidelights of the tour which Dr. Williamson and I are making, which will cover about 30,000 miles. On this tour, we have observed, throughout the country, some very interesting facts, some very interesting things going on. I had entitled my book, They Shall Be Gathered Together, in reference to the groups which are being gathered together at this time, seemingly the elect, as referred to in the 13th chapter of Mark, and so forth. But I found out later on that though I had been able to give a fairly accurate description of what was going on, that I really didn't have too much data on this. There are some really startling things going along. On the theme of They Shall Be Gathered Together, and these will be included in the new book. Those of you who would be interested in advance copies, you can put your order in after that. The ladies on that side of the book table will be handling that.

We will not be printing extra copies of the book, so those people who order it on the

tour will be the only ones who will receive it, as far as we know. It's probably a good idea. Thank you. It will be a little bit controversial for advertising, and it will be mailed strictly to those who request it on this tour. And that takes care of the book table. I'm very, very happy to be here in California. Really, this constitutes the first lecture that I've ever given in the state, with the exception of one at Palomar four years ago, which was very short and to a very small group. So really, this is my... This is the first lecture that I've ever given in the state. And I'm very happy to be here, in this very short time. It's been a pleasure to be here. And I hope that, in the future, I'll be out here more often, and a little bit longer tour. I'm very happy to be accompanying Dr. Williamson. And those of you who would like to have his schedule if you don't already have it, there's lectures in and around L.A. can pick that up at the book table, too.

Tonight I'm giving an entirely new lecture. I felt it. California. deserved something entirely new. So on the way out from New York City, I started putting my thinker on and putting together some of the ideas that I'd been wanting to present for some time. But the result is that when we got to Prescott, Arizona and spent a while in Rick's boats there and up at the Hopi Indian Reservation, that I was able to make some notes for an entirely new lecture. And as I was telling Elmer tonight, as we drove over, I really haven't decided what to call it yet. So perhaps after the lecture, some of you will have some good suggestions. I have never named any of my lectures or any of the books or articles that I've written. Always other people have suggested titles which were very, very good, such as They Should Be Gathered Together. I felt that was very apt for the book. So maybe after the lecture tonight, a few of you will have some ideas.

We might tentatively, call it The Visitor's Plan. And the question I want to pose tonight is one that has been posed many times before and has been answered many times before. But each time as we go along in the sequence of events, we have a little bit more answer to the question of why the space people are here. Practically every week these days reveals a new reason. Or a little bit more perspective on the reason of why the space people are here. So I have some ideas in that which I haven't heard before and which you might be interested in. And I'll pass those along to you tonight under the title of The Visitor's Plan. And regarding the UFO, a principal question would be, why are they here? To start off with, in 1947, it was sufficient that they were here. That was a big enough sensation. That was enough for research. But today, after ten years of cataloging sightings, it no longer is enough merely to say, a green fireball went that-a-way.

We must have some reason for them being here. Surely enough, we know a green fireball went that-a-way. But why did it go that-a-way? Why is it green? What is a fireball? Where are they from? Who's sending them? These are the important questions. And the implications which these questions do imply.

Now, we, I'm sure all of you tonight are aware of the fact that the flying saucers of the UFO are spaceships from other planets and other places. They're definitely of extraterrestrial origin. Therefore, this implies that intelligence is controlling them, of course. Now, seeing that these things are true, there must be a very definite reason for their coming. Intelligence simply does not decide that they're going to send a ship out to such and such a planet with no reason whatsoever, particularly in the numbers that they have been seen on Earth. So, very definitely, the spaceships do have a plan in coming to this place. It is not by chance or by accident. Now, that seems to be a very trivial point, something that's very obvious, but yet, in looking at the research in the field today, the so-called serious investigators, we wonder if they are really seeing this very primary point. They are still trying to prove that they are spaceships.

They're still trying to prove that they exist. The evidence has been given. The evidence has been given in sufficient quantity for anyone who's going to believe it to believe it. I really don't think that there are going to be very many more people understanding this situation than there are today. It seems that the field is being narrowed down rather than widening. We, at one time, thought that we would eventually have flying saucer lectures in Madison Square Garden with Billy Graham and his team, type meetings all over the country. But as we lecture now today, we see that the field is definitely being narrowed down. In New York City, we had a very, very large auditorium and a very expensive auditorium. It did not fill up. We had expected it to fill up. Our mistake was in assuming that the field was getting broader and that there was continual more interest among the masses, not the masses, but the people. There are a great number of people interested.

Don't get me wrong on that. But yet, we're not having the mass interest that we would in the general topics which movies are made about and so forth, the Walt Disney type thing. There's always an interest in a nature series. But in Flying Saucers, after the novelty wears off, after they finally come up against the metaphysical implications, then the curiosity seeker and the casual investigator drop their search and investigation. They are no longer interested. It would upset their own way of life entirely too much. They would not be willing to change. And if they accepted these things as being factual, they would have to start changing their ideas and their way of living. So I'm sure most of you know. Therefore, they do have a purpose in common.

And that purpose would affect each and every individual on this planet. And that would be the very important thing about the coming of the spaceships. This would be the primary point for consideration. Why are they coming? It brings up many interesting ideas about, well, how are they propelled? And it has caused a great deal of thought and very constructive thought, we might say, because we know of a number of groups right now who are constructing working models of spacecraft, working on the magnetic propulsion. And in fact, one organization in Maryland is on the verge of getting a very large contract from the government for the production of spacecraft operating on a magnetic principle and having the shape of the bellcraft. Now, I don't approve of manufacturing anything for the government. But nevertheless, it is to that stage of development that the government knows that this individual can manufacture these crafts.

And if they can't steal the secret, they're probably giving the contract. So these things are byproducts of the coming of the space people. The introduction of metaphysical thought to many is a byproduct of the coming of the space people. We find, in many cases, and my own, for example, first I was interested in flying saucers. Then I got the metaphysical background and all of the allied borderland-type research. But first it was saucers. With many of you, it was the other way around. But nevertheless, we have had many byproducts of the coming of the spacecraft. But now it's time to worry about why are they here. It's really a good question. Now, we could give many reasons why they're coming. The A-bombs and the H-bombs, so forth and so on. These are very specific reasons. There are a lot of them. But let's even get more basic than that. These are definite reasons why they're coming to this particular planet. But let's get the general reasons.

What are their motives and intentions? Now, motives, that sounds all right. They have good motives. Well, that's sufficient, perhaps, for the time being. But now the word intentions. Let's think about that a moment. What does intention mean? What do they intend to do? What are their intentions toward the planet Earth? Now, there's more to it than they're going to help us out. They're going to give us this, and they're going to give us that, and they're going to see that the businesses don't go completely off the deep end, and they're going to build the planet up. So there's a little bit more to it than that, I think. So let's give that some consideration tonight, too. Now, it's quite possible that the purpose of the UFOs could be more easily understood in a clear perspective if we look to the past, to their actions toward Earth in the past, to sort of seek the common denominator so that we can predict or judge their actions

for the present and for the future. So let's take a look at the past history of flying saucers and see what we can determine from that. As we know, flying saucers have been here for thousands of years. We have records, for example, Dr. Williamson last night wrote about Africa, a very, very ancient stone carving was found on a cliff which showed a group of men running from a circular object coming out of the sky towards them. We go back into the time of Thutmose III in early Egypt and we find records of the fire circles which came down low over the armies and frightened the men and the priests and they fell down flat on their faces in awe of these great men and the divine manifestations. So we find that they've been here for a long time. We go back to Lemuria and Atlantis and the continent of South America which was also above water at that time and we find in all these places records of people coming there from space.

Now what have they been doing all this time? They've been flying around, sightseeing probably, but what else have they been doing? They've been doing something. So let's take a look and see what they've been doing. Now one prime example of this we can find in Moses. How many of you tonight have seen the Ten Commandments? All right, that's quite a few. Now I'm going to ask you, did you find any startling similarity to some of the things portrayed in the Ten Commandments and the things that we've read about and heard about and possibly seen in the flying saucer drama that's been in the world? Did you see any similarity in that movie? Those of you that did, raise your hand. Well, not very many. Well, the rest of you are dumb because there's an awful lot of it. First of all, first of all is the bush, the burning bush that did not burn, but yet the fire issued from it. Now in the movie we didn't see flames coming up from this bush.

But it was as if an electromagnetic field were surrounding it. Do you agree to that, those of you that saw it? Yes. Okay. So very definitely there we find something which, and I think you'll recall a few reports that have reported bushes that were burning but were not consumed. And some of the flying saucer contacts from the, from the southern areas. I believe in Mexico there are a couple coming up like that. But that very definitely is a present day phenomenon. Now, we go on and we take the rod of Moses

with which he parted the great sea and performed the other miracles. Now, did it look like to any of you that the great sea might have been parted by some sort of an electromagnetic field? Is that possible? No. That's possible? Yes. Okay. Good. There was some force there that parted it and Moses used the rod in directing that energy quite possibly. Also, the vortex of energy which kept the Pharaoh's army from the Israelites. Also, the great cloud which led them across the desert and from which the food was drawn. Now, what better description could we find of a mothership? Is it more logical to think that the infinite being in his wisdom would direct the spacecraft to these individuals and these people rather than actually manifesting and speaking himself? We say the age of miracles is past. But really, is it past? No. Is it that we simply do not see the miracles that are going on around us every day? In studying the Bible and the other holy books of the earth,

I've come to the conclusion, and it's a personal opinion here, but I'll give it in what it's worth, that the infinite being, the spirit, or the great creator referred to as God, does not take sides in right and wrong. He does not manifest himself strictly as a being. We have many manifestations of him, but many people take the idea and opinion that here is an old man on a throne that says such and such will be done and this and that will be done. I prefer to think of the infinite as being infinite and not limited to a particular sphere or ideology or thought or group of thoughts. This is a person when we do this. Something like ourselves. And I think that possibly we are a little envious or not quite willing to accept this. Are we willing to accept the real infinitude of it all when we limit the true divine creator by putting these little blocks and adjectives around him? You see, there it is again. It crops up continually around this entity

or this, well, it isn't an entity either. It's greater than that. You see, it's even difficult to talk about it because it is infinite. Therefore, it would seem that in the beginning immutable laws were set down and by a knowledge of these laws

[21:51] Main address

we are able to live better. By working with them rather than against them we are able to accomplish the plan which was originally set down by the infinite in the beginning. The infinite would be both good and evil because it is the totality of all creation. And yet it is that which created all creation and that from which all creation issues forth. Therefore, it would seem to me that when we interpret the Bible to mean that God came down and spoke to Moses, that the infinite came down and spoke to Moses, that we are being very presumptuous. Either we're bringing God or the infinite down to a very low level or we're taking Moses up to a very high level. And it is definitely my belief that Moses was a man like possibly some among us tonight. No more particularly evolved or advanced. I know, and Arfeo Angelucci is in the audience tonight and Dana Howard and Elmo of course will know too, people tend to look up to the saucer contact keys

and the people that have written books on the subject. That's almost God. And often when I'm around very long they get terribly disillusioned. So it's that way with everyone. I started out when I was 12 or 13 reading some of the literature that came out and later on I thought, oh my, these are superhuman people. And very sadly I found out that I was quite mistaken. They were human just like I was. And I was quite disappointed in many people. And then I learned that there was nothing wrong with being human. That is the state of evolution of this planet. And if we were out of that stage we would either be avatars or teachers for this planet or else we wouldn't be here. So I've learned that people are people and that they're human. So when we look to the Bible and the Moses episode particularly we'll probably find that Moses was another man just like we are. After all, his own ego did get in the way and he did disobey the commandments of the Lord.

And he smoked the rock and drew forth the water against the rules, so to speak. And he did not enter into the promised land because of this. Now again we have an instance of this rod having power. And Dr. Williamson's latest book which will be out very shortly in England called Secret Places of the Lion goes into a great deal of explanation of this particular incident and the rod that Moses used. He refers to it as the real rod. And it is historically known as a cube which is capable of utilizing the power source a power source which is very similar to that which the UFO uses, magnetic energy. And it was with this that Moses was able to perform most of the amazing feats that are recorded in the Bible. When we look at the Bible it appears very fantastic in faith in many places. But with the knowledge of the cosmic events that are occurring now in the UFO fields and in others we can see that it is a very easily understandable book

in terms of scientific knowledge and in terms of understanding. Now the Lord translated in the in that particular section of the Bible can also be translated as captain or head man. And we find the Lord, the Lord God God as many Jehovah many different people referred to here. Are they one and the same? Now I put this to you as a question. Is it possible that the Lord referred to by Moses was a very high master who was in charge of this particular mothership, our large spacecraft which led the Israelites out of Egypt and through the desert for 40 years and which dropped the food to them and so forth and so on which shot a fiery banger and again we can see the spacecraft connotation here, those of you who have seen that particular movie. He shot a fiery finger out to write the Ten Commandments on two stone tablets. I think that we'll find that Mr. DeMille did a very exceptional job on that movie. In fact I think he must have had a few

Venusians working for him at the time. So I'm not sure whether he knows or not how good a job it is. Now why did the space people take an interest in the Israelites? Why is it that so much trouble would be gone to liberate a few thousand people from bondage? Why didn't we have some act of so-called divine intervention in the United States when slavery was going on? Today in some portions of the United States and some portions of America North and South we have conditions which are just as bad as they were at that particular time. Why when the United States slaughtered the American Indians didn't we have divine intervention? I believe there were something like five or six thousand tribes I may be wrong on this of Indians in the United States when the white man first came. And now there's something like a hundred. Those may not be the exact figures but it's very similar. We were at the Hopi Indian Reservation just a few days ago.

And the stories and the things which are going on right now would shock you. It sounds like Russia. These people are actually not citizens of the United States but are cattle property of this country. And the abuse which they are being given is terrific at the present time. But nothing compared to what it was before. The Chippewa Indian Nation was almost annihilated by the United States Army when, because they thought they were troublesome although they had never fought the white man and had made over fifty treaties with him which the United States broke in every case not one was ever kept when they became a little troublesome to the Army they got blankets from a section of the Army which had been undergoing an outbreak of smallpox to the Indians. And thus we have practically no full-blood Chippewas left in the United States. The Chippewa Nation was almost annihilated by that single act. The Mandans were a very friendly race.

They did not believe in fighting. They did not believe in taking up arms at all against anything. They were contacted by the white man and immediately the cowboy was sent in and they were massacred, wiped out. Now these things have been going on in our own country which is supposed to be famous for freedom. It is rather famous but very few people you'll find outside the United States really believe it although we do have a certain amount of free speech and these things left. You will find though that it's rather considered funny outside this country when you refer to the United States as being more free than any other country in the world. But with these things going on in our present time why didn't we have divine intervention many times in the past? Why don't we have it today? That's a good question and seemingly without any good answer. However, research has disclosed in various places that the purpose of the exodus from Egypt

didn't really have anything to do at all with getting the Israelites out. The main purpose was to transfer very important records from Egypt to Israel where they would be kept safe. Egypt had fallen into the hands at that time of the Amun priesthood which was very definitely following a left hand or a black path and they were attempting to find the secret repositories of these records in Egypt so that they might destroy this knowledge. Throughout history there has been on this planet in order working with the spiritual people of the planet the masters and so forth there has been an order working to preserve the ancient wisdom. The library of Alexandria for example which was burned by the negative or black forces. Before it was burned the important copies were removed and practically everything that was left was duplicate. So we find that throughout history a very important faith of spiritual work has been preserving ancient manuscripts and records.

Now why is this? We have plenty of books today we could burn all we want and it wouldn't dent knowledge in them. However remember in those times that knowledge was the sacred trust of a very few people. Perhaps in a country of several million there were only ten men who had knowledge of reincarnation. Perhaps there were only ten men who had any knowledge of spiritual values. Now looking at it that way they were the custodians and the guardians the trustees of cosmic and secret knowledge which had been handed down generation to generation through the millennia on this planet. And they were holding it in trust for man when he would be able and ready to receive it. Therefore we find that the Ark of the Covenant and the various manuscripts which were carried out of Egypt into the Holy Land were carried out so that they would be preserved and protected. It was not basically so that the Israelites would be safe. Now we go on and we find Ezekiel

and the wheel. There again we find obvious mention of spacecraft. Giving certain information which was recorded certain of it and made available for our general consumption. And certain of it which probably was not recorded and still lies hidden somewhere waiting to be rediscovered that man would be able to use it. We look at Isaiah and Elijah and their experiences with the spacecraft. Other tongues I believe touches on those at length. But throughout history we find UFOs concerned with and in connection with preserving ancient knowledge and wisdom. That was the major occupation of the ancients. We have your Greek schools which philosophical schools which attempted to perpetuate the wisdom. Which attempted to bring it out for man again. But Greece was a failure due to the materialistic and the moralized elements in it. And again we had failures. So it had to go underground again. And it had to be preserved. It had to be buried. Hidden away.

Because there are always those who would have liked to have found it and destroyed it. There has been a continuous battle going on between the black forces and the white forces to preserve ancient wisdom for mankind. The Greek gods also evidently were being some flying saucers. They came down and landed on Mount Olympus from the sky and lived there. We have the discus which very interestingly ties in with the disks in the sky that we're seeing today. All these things point to the spacecraft in the sky. In Peru getting down to my home so to speak that is my home by the way I am a permanent resident of Peru and will be returning to Peru in March with Dr. Williamson. In Peru the Indians have many legends of people coming from the sky and of giving them certain information and helping them along. So in general we could conclude from this that the common denominator of the activity of the UFO in the past has been working for the spiritual advancement

and progression of mankind on this earth. Now maybe you knew that before but looking very closely we can see that UFOs in the past were not important strictly as being seen in the sky that really didn't matter very much and I think you'll find that the same is true today. A lot of people think that a very important phase of the saucer activity is flying over LA so that everybody can see it and be convinced that UFOs are not important to us. Well I think you'll find that's wrong. They are just as active today as they were ten thousand or a thousand years ago. They are still working with certain people on this earth in bringing these manuscripts from one point to another making them ready now for publication making many things ready for people who will be in the new age. The people who lecture and who write books are by far the least of the workers. The people that are the important people are those who are going up every night or every weekend to the motherships to work

with their equipment to speak with the masters there on. The people who all they have to do is sit down suddenly they can project the things that they desire and who are writing these things down messages and textbooks so to speak for the planet when the time of chaos is really upon us and afterwards the people that aren't saying much now. And really I think you'll find that even those who are saying a great deal they're reaching a lot of people but one of these days we're going to be getting pretty close to it now. Madame Curie boiled her pitch blend and processed and processed and eventually she got down through a little tiny bottle of Raven and I think that's what we're finding today that we are being distilled so to speak until the pure essence is left and that is what we're coming out with. Used to you could write a book in sausage and sell 20,000 copies fairly easy. Most of the early books did sell 20 to 30,000 copies. Later on it dropped down to 10,000 copies which was

pretty good. And now today you can sell 1,500 to 5,000 that is really quite good. And very shortly we're going to hit the point where we're getting to the essence and that will be because it will be going out in addition of about 500. We're getting to the essence and when we get sufficiently to the essence then perhaps we'll all be going out every weekend through the spacecraft. Perhaps we'll be living up there. I'm wondering now how many of you are acquainted with the hierarchy on this planet, the hierarchy of masters? Alex Bailey put out a great deal of material on that. Would you raise your hands please so I have an idea of how much I need to explain. I couldn't quite understand If we have questions about it, the spiritual heritage, my understanding, is a group of highly advanced beings, entities, who are the master teachers of this planet, in whose

hands is placed the responsibility for the spiritual evolution of the entities on this particular planet. Did you have something to say there? Well, John, I hope to beg your pardon here, but you put it with forehands. When you elaborated a little, now my hand was doing one less. Now, if you elaborate a little more, I'd be glad to put mine down. So, I do think, Matt, may I give you my interpretation of that?

You go right ahead. I always feel and felt that the creator and creation of the universe is too big to deal

with. Any infinitesimal part of it. He is too big, for instance, to deal with my children. It's up to me to deal with my children. And that is where I become a man and become divine. If I can bring my children into a place of purpose, I have served my purpose. If we space visitors and bring the servant into redemption, sometimes they have served God's purpose. And if they fail, we fail. If we fail, they fail. It doesn't matter who fails first. That's the way I interpret it. And therefore, in the back of those circumstances, I will accept the master's. Very good. That is an excellent framework for me to put this into. Because, as you say, you deal with your children. It's not up to God to take care of every little thing that goes along. So, very definitely, we do find, all along, people at various levels and stages of development, which are working with and assisting those which are coming along behind them.

They're going a little bit ahead on the path, exploring, and they know a little bit about what's ahead a little ways. And they can help us by coming back and saying, well, up here, there's a big bump in the road, and you better get the wagon fixed up so they'll take it, or go around it and take a certain path. Well, the concept of the masters would be very much like this. So many. Many tend to regard them as gods, but really, according to themselves, and what I believe to be authentic communications from them, they are very similar to ourselves. This is the space people, are very similar to ourselves. They're not really gods. They might appear to be, but they are just a little bit ahead of us. In the cosmic scale of evolution, there is really very little difference. But the spiritual hierarchy. My understanding has a certain responsibility, a certain group of individuals, to see that certain things work out on certain lines, certain periods of time on this planet.

They are sort of the school teachers, you might say. The people in charge of seeing that certain things are presented, seeing that knowledge is preserved, that things are made available at the proper time. Now, they too, then. If they are doing that, they are doing exactly the same thing that we see UFOs have been doing in the past. And that would mean that they are probably working together, particularly when we think that not only would the Earth have a spiritual hierarchy, but that every other planet would also have a certain group of its leaders, which would be in charge of things on that planet. Now, it just happens on Earth. That if they make themselves public, they would probably be shot or hung or something like that, and their places of study and worship would be destroyed, things of that nature.

Pagan religion, you know, would be the claim. So they, unfortunately, are not able to make themselves public on this planet, but have centers and secluded areas which are available to them. Those who are of the proper mind and are seeking that particular thing. So, we would see, then, that probably the spiritual hierarchy of this planet is very similar to the governing body or the leaders of the other planets in the solar system and in other solar systems. Because of this, the UFOs would be directly under the guidance of their own spiritual teachers. The leaders. The leaders of their own planet. And we know that these leaders are definitely in communication with those in whose hands the responsibility of this planet does lie. So, there would be a very close alliance. And it would really mean that UFOs are very, very closely connected with the masters of this planet. Now, in Detroit, Michigan, very recently, I spoke to a small group, and I mentioned

the masters. And this one lady, I noticed, was very funny. And I went into that explanation considerably more in detail, and with considerably more questions from the audience. It was a very informal gathering. And this lady, later on, I was told, had been presented with the concept of the spiritual hierarchy and the masters, and she simply could not accept it. But after the meeting, she came up and said, well, I can see the UFOs and the spiritual power. The concepts here are exactly the same. But there really isn't much difference. So, we get a pretty big fight going sometimes between factions in the UFO field. And if we'll just sit down and look at it, they're actually saying the same things. But words are getting in the way. So, one prominent person talks about ether, everything's from the ether, and another prominent

person says that everything's... space and the ether is not any good. So if we'll look at exactly what they're saying, we'll find out that they're saying identical things except one says ether and one says space. And I'd like to ask you where do you draw the line? What is ether? What is space? What's the line between them? Can you really draw a line? So words do get in the way quite a bit. Now this would probably place the space visitors as part of the great plan of the solar hierarchy and thus they would be definitely working along the lines of the spiritual hierarchy of this planet and the other planets and the mystery schools of this planet. Now that gives us a very definite idea of what is going on because we have definite information as to the specific goals of the spiritual hierarchy. In their hands rests the responsibility for the evolution of this planet. Therefore the space people would be working for the same thing. Actually we

should consider them as an additional unit or detachment which was assigned to this planet because it was such a terrible mess that it took some extra help to clean it up. So looking at it from that viewpoint we could go on and ask what is the plan for the world in the future? Now much of the world plan is contained in biblical prophecy. See Mark 13. It's quite specific. It was from Mark 13 that I first got quite a few ideas for my book They Should Be Gathered Together. I started compiling a little manuscript and all of a sudden I was long for the material and it fit together so nicely that we made a book out of it. So Mark 13 I think you'll find will be one of the basic pieces of material for you to read regarding what's going to happen in the future. Also revelations of course if we can make heads or tails out of it. Now any plans made by the space people would be modified by world conditions. In other words, they would have some knowledge of what's

going to happen in the future. If the poles are going to flip because of some big magnetic condition that is developing, they would be able to tell if the probability of the pole is flipping or if the San Andreas Fault is going to crack into California fall into the Pacific. Well, they'd be able to check the magnetic anomalies and have some idea of what was going on. Evidently because of the fact that they are seen over the fault line area a great deal, they are making checks of this nature. Because we do know the San Andreas Fault is a little bit more of a big magnetic anomaly. So we'll have to look at it. We'll have to look at it. We'll have to look at it. We'll have to look at it. We'll have to look at it. We'll have to look at it. We'll have to look at it. We'll have to look at it. It's a little bit unstable. That's generally accepted among orthodox scientists. Not to the extent that it's going to fall in tomorrow. That's not accepted.

I don't know whether it is or not. But they would govern and base their plans on what they can tell of coming world conditions. Now those who have made contact with UFOs and other sources have had information pertaining to what has been termed the Great Coming World Changes. Evidently we are coming to the end of a great cycle which is termed the 24 or 26,000 year cycle. Now we have a little 2,000 year cycles according to certain sources. And the Christ, or Jesus, came at the end of one of these 2,000 year cycles. Now if that's the case, now if that is any indication of what happens at the end of a cycle, then the end of a 24,000 year cycle should be a pretty big event. So what's in store? Evidently there are going to be terrain changes. We're going to have changes in where the oceans are located. We're going to have changes in where the continents are located. We're going to have economic changes. We're going to have political changes.

In fact, I don't think you could name very many things that won't be there. But there are going to be changes. Looking at the world right now and present trends, and looking at the world, well, even 20 years ago, there are very few things, very few concepts that have not been greatly changed. In fact, myself, even looking back upon my early very orthodox Methodist religious training, and looking at present orthodox religious training, there have been considerable changes even in the concepts of religion among orthodox people. There is a terrific trend toward change. Earthquakes are up about 200% considering intensity rather than frequency. They're up noticeably in frequency. Out in the Pacific, there have been three earthquakes very recently in the last year or year and a half which have been greater than any other recorded earthquake. It was publicized in the United States, as far as I can tell. We had word of it in Peru.

But here, in a year and a half period, we have three that are greater than at any other time. Land is rising off Easter Island. Land is rising off Florida. Land is rising out in the middle of the Atlantic. We find parts of California slipping in. There are all sorts of things going on which are causing terrain changes. These are very obvious. And as we look around us, we can see rapid changes going on in the thoughts of the people around us.

It seems that we are coming to a point where man must make a choice. We've had a long time on this planet. Now we can very gladly sit here tonight and say, well, this really doesn't affect us very much. People have always made prophecies that something's going to happen, and it never does. But I think we will find that we are coming to the times where it is going to matter. We have many hundreds and several thousand years of traditional and written history. We have, through various psychic sources, history going back many millennia. Through regular anthropology and archaeology, we have the fact that man goes back at least 30 or 40 thousand years in the past. And we will find that that's going to be revised shortly, probably to several million years. So we've been around a long time. Why have we been around? It's very simple to disregard that question. It's very simple to disregard the idea that there might be any real reason

or intention on man even existing. But we will find that this is a universe of cause and effect. If there is something in existence, if there is something being, there is a reason for our being. It goes beyond this strictly. Physics and cause and effect are strictly ideas of so-called karma and these metaphysical teachings on reaction. But there are reasons and purposes behind existence, behind any phase of existence. And it is that we should be concerned with in this present very critical era in our development. Both personally and as a planet. We find the changes taking place. We find the signs in the skies, the UFOs coming. These are times which are very momentous. Even more momentous than the coming of the great teacher, Jesus. What we will be experiencing in this generation will be so much greater that it will put any other phase of history on this planet far into the shadows. The very fact that we have a chance to live in this time,

that we have bodies for our physical manifestation on this planet should be reason enough for us to give thanks to them. Because these are times which many would very dearly love to be in. I understand that there are many thousands of entities from the far reaches of the universe which are clamoring to come into incarnation on this planet. It is because we are reaching the end of a great cycle here and the beginning of the fulfillment of Earth's destiny. It is because of this that now these many rapid changes are occurring. I understand that man on this planet at the present time has the opportunity to make for himself several thousand years of growth in as much or as little as one year. In a week, possibly, we can accomplish the growth that it might have taken a lifetime to accomplish before. We are coming into a changed concept of time and space. It has been said, and I think very few, including myself, rather very few people understand it,

and I don't understand it either. Very few people understand the fourth dimensional concept. But we are definitely coming into the fourth dimension. This has been given from many authentic sources. Whatever this means, we are having changing concepts of space and time. And it is because of this, partially, that we are able to make this tremendous change in our own outlook and personalities. These are very, very trying times that we are going through. Looking strictly at the flying saucers, we can ask, what part will they play in helping man through these times? First of all, they are the signs of the times. The biblical prophecy that there will be signs in the sky. The Hopi Indians, for example, and many other Indians too, say that in the time of the return of Masawa, which is very similar to Messiah, which is the manifestation of the Great Spirit given to them, which is very similar to our concept of Jesus Christ, when he came many thousands of years ago,

he said that, when I am about to return again, there will be signs in the sky, lights. And they look upon the flying saucers as these signs, and they feel that Masawa is about to return. Nostradamus predicted that in those times there would be strange birds flying through the air, crying today, today, today. Quite possibly, we'll see that prediction literally coming true. Secondly, they have the task of helping to prepare the earth people, for a new and broadened concept of life. I can remember when I was quite young, I didn't have any concept of life outside my own town. But as I traveled with my parents, I suddenly realized that it was a pretty big place we were living in. And later on, I found out that the world was a pretty big place. Then suddenly the interplanetary, and what else, a terrific concept, hit me. It isn't just interplanetary, it extends almost to infinity. And I'm afraid I'd get a stomach ache if I thought about it too long.

But it is a new concept for man on this planet. There is life on the other worlds, just like in itself. Not necessarily in form always, but intelligence is always intelligence. A soul is a soul. There couldn't be any difference even if one of you were manifesting as a door and I were in this body. There would still be that kinship of divine creation and the divine spark of life. No matter where it is, it is the same, no matter what form it is. Thirdly, more specifically, here is what Dr. Williamson in his book Other Times, Other Flesh refers to as the wanderer. These are individuals who are from other planets who have volunteered to enter the reincarnational cycle on this planet and take up earth bodies in order to help their earthly brothers. Now, many of your people who have been contacted by the UFOs, many of your great leaders on this planet have been these particular individuals. Nikola Tesla was such a one. George, not George Washington,

but many others. Franklin was specifically mentioned as one. Ars Natan, our Amenhotep IV, who introduced the concept of the one God in Egypt in the 18th Dynasty was such a one. Many of your prophets, the Bibles, were such individuals. They've been here for many thousands of years helping this planet to evolve. But very definitely, that is one thing that the UFOs have a connection with. These are their own teamwork. In 1952, the radio contact group in Arizona was told by the UFOs, to the apples you salt, we return. That very cryptic statement signified that to the people we have placed here, we will return later on. And we have found this to be true and important to the search of these individuals throughout the country. It is almost as if a giant spy system had been set up. Because very definitely, it is undercover and in secret. And it is so secret that most of the spies themselves at first did not even realize that they were spies.

I have been told by individuals who have been fully awakened of who they are and why they are here that at one time they had no idea that they were different from what people saw. They thought they were boring here, going right along, you know. And suddenly one day they woke up. They all uplifted, so to speak. And they recalled who they were, why they were here, and they were going about their jobs. Many of them are in electronics and in the radio field. And they are doing a great deal to bring new age science effects to the planet, and also new age concepts and many other things. When the saucers do eventually land, and they are here to stay and will land, that's obvious. They've said this many times. It very depends on us when they will do it. But when they do land, then these people who are in Earth's bodies but who are actually space people will be able to do a great deal to bridge the gap between man of Earth and man of other planets.

Even though they are very similar to us in bodily structure and in mentality and in spirituality, still there will be a bridge that must be built over the gap that will be between us. Therefore, these people who will be awakened to their spiritual identity with their Earth bodies and who know Earth's culture and have been raised in it, will be able to help bridge that gap. That is one very specific and great contribution that space people have made to this planet. They have sacrificed many thousands of years of their own incarnation to undergo very painful experiences so that they might help the fellow man in this planet. Many besides this specialized group of Wanderers are being awakened and prepared in the present time. The Wanderers undergo various sequences of individual events which will prepare them for the knowledge of who they are and what they are to do. But many people on the planet are very definitely being specifically guided

and pushed into certain fields and certain events occur which are specifically meant to occur for their development and understanding. Now, scientific instruments are used by the space people a great deal to accomplish this. In October of 1954, or rather, 55, I believe it was, or perhaps it was even 56, at least back in the day, the Stanfords, who some of you may have heard, and myself, and a number of other people, were in Texas and underwent a very interesting experience with what we later on found out was termed the Adafon Ray by Mr. George Van Tassel.

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We had no knowledge at all of this particular ray, this particular device, or that any device such as this even existed. One in the group was able to project his consciousness into the ship, saw the device, and described it later on. And when Mr. Van Tassel heard this, he immediately went to his file and pulled out some material, and there was a drawing exactly like this with details describing the effects of the instrument which had just been given to him by some of those individuals present at that contact. Well, this, of course, was very confirmatory to the situation. The purpose of the Adafon, evidently, as far as we can tell, at least partially, is to enable the space people to raise the vibratory rate of an individual upon whom the beam is focused. I will not go into the effects of the beam, the physical sensation or the physiological sensation, because we were instructed not to. However, there is a definite physiological sensation,

and there is a definite rise in the physical body vibrations or the frequency of the body. Now, if one had a great deal of toxic material, material in the body or poisons in the body, it would be very difficult for you to undergo comfortably an application of this beam. For example, if we get a lot of friction, it gets real hot, and if you kept on going on with that friction, it would get so hot that it would start burning out. The same way with electric wires, if we put too much current through it, it starts to burn out. I may be completely incorrect in this, but I think I'm right. Stop me if I'm not. Some of you know something about electronics. But the reason that we would have an electric wire burning out would be because there would be too much resistance in that wire to a given amount of current. In other words, put too much current through a wire, and you've got more resistance there than can stand that current. Therefore, a person who has

more toxic materials or poisons in the body will have more resistance to this current. And as it is put through the body, it tends to burn out the nerves. Now, one lady there was a chain smoker, and had been for many, many years. And her diet was abominable. And it started out, the first person that got any sensation at all was this lady, and it started out with a mild headache. And it got worse. And worse. And finally, she had a terrific headache. But it was evidently due to this spacecraft and the application of this beam. Later on, she had the spacecraft hover right over her house with 115 witnesses, while inside, she was having the manifestations of this beam. And they kept applying it to her, until eventually, she didn't have any headache. In other words, it was too much vibration for her. It was too much of a rise, and she got quite a reaction from it. But upon continued applications, they were able to transmute her body to an extent,

so that it would be on the same level of vibration. Many people have undergone this experience without knowing what's going on. Probably, I saw a few shocked looks in the audience right now when I was talking about it. But I imagine that some of you have gotten some of these headaches and had these funny sensations and so forth before. Now, right here, on this issue of understanding, December 57, there's a little message entitled, Many Shall Be Called, by Martin Arman. And I want to quote a little part. For your immediate information, allow us to mention that the means of communication now being used can be terms and electronic thought transmitted. This is the mechanical device into which one speaks. The impulses are transmitted to your immediate vicinity, the wavelength adjusted to the particular auric field of the individual receiving. Well, that's another device they're using. They have a great number of devices which they're using to awaken

and contact, either knowingly or unknowingly, in the part of the contact T. But they're using these devices to contact them and guide them into certain definite patterns of behavior and to put them into certain sequences of events. Now, some of you have probably experienced a strange ringing in your ears. And this, we have definitely determined, in many cases, is you receiving your instructions for the day. And you might be surprised to find out how personal the interest of the space people really is. It's really quite a personal thing that many people are considered along these lines and that probably a large majority of this group will have, during the next week, a definite and direct contact with certain instructions given, probably mostly on an unknowing basis from a spacecraft. Now, I've been experiencing the ringing in the ears for some time. It's not unusual or rare, so I'm nothing unusual because I say that I've been having this particular experience.

Many, many people are having it. And as I say, probably a majority of the people in this room, one way or another, are having instructions from the space people, either generally for a set group of people or personally. But one night in Cleveland, I was sitting at a table eating out with some friends, and I was thinking about that at the moment. And I thought, well, it could just be a ringing in the ears. It might not have anything to do with the space people. And at that instant, there came in a ringing. And I thought, well, there it is. And suddenly it began to modulate itself into Morse code. Now, unfortunately, I don't know Morse code. But it was proof to me that there was definitely something modulating that frequency in the ear. So I don't have any doubts about it anymore. And I'm grateful to be receiving the ringing from the ear that's come along. So that's another one of the things that our space friends are doing.

Two, they're coming right off the ship

into the culture, as you've probably heard many times before, working in many ways to help raise and introduce New Age ideas and concepts into our Earth life. So, in conclusion, evidently the saucers are here for a very general purpose. Individually, the people in the spacecraft probably have very specific jobs. But they are here very generally to help us through this great change. Really, the UFOs are very unimportant. It really matters very little. The White Sands incident, if we can get personal here for a minute, was a very important book when it came out. It changed the minds of a great many people. It introduced new concepts to a great many people. But suddenly, it wasn't anymore so much. And a new book was given to men of Earth. Which had new concepts. And there was a certain audience prepared and ready for that. In other words, if you read the book once, and you understand it and get the information, then what good does it do to read it again?

You're ready for something new. So it was given. And now, we find a trend getting completely away from contact material, going into strictly a personal development of ideas which stem from ideas given from space people. In other words, we're getting back on our own two feet again. It's like we've gotten off the path a little bit. The little child, you know, strays a little bit from the path and is about to fall over the cliff. And someone comes along and puts them back in the path. Well, they see the path again and they can follow it along by themselves. So we have strayed quite a bit and we've had a helping hand guiding us back. And that is probably the prime reason the spacecraft are here. They're probably a very small part of what's going on. They're probably far in the minority of the workers which are working in this particular time of very critical evolution on this planet. Saucers are mainly the signs of the times,

objects to awaken a sleeping mankind. The objects themselves are not the important things. And even as Raphael was telling me the other night, it is not even particularly important that we even talk about saucers. They are true and will prove themselves in the fullness of time. It is more important that we give the people what they are asking for. The saucers herald a message. They herald a message for all mankind if mankind will but listen. The message is the concern, not a vehicle for moving from one planet to another. Much emphasis has been placed on the UFOs as objects. Many people spend countless hours in cataloging and filing sightings. Let me say that in general the time for that has passed. The question now is not where are they from, but why are they here and how can we serve ourselves in these troubled times that they herald. The harvest on earth is great and the workers are few. Let us be concerned with making ourselves

fit servants to our fellow man. Those who seek sincerely an active place to serve in the coming great changes will find it. Seek and you shall find, not and it shall be opened unto you. These are immutable promises, a place of service, a waste for each and every one of us if we will but seek it sincerely. It is up to us. If we are not actively serving, if we are not actively working now, if the path for our own personal job is not clear, then we've fallen down somewhere. If we desire this place, then let us seek it. It is promised that we shall find it. It is up to each and every one of us. Thank you very much. I think we have had

a very, very wonderful discourse tonight, have we not? I know I, for one, have been interested in every part of it. It seems so diversified that most everyone would be satisfied. We will have a short intermission after which we will have questions and answers. This will give you a little time to think up your questions. And I'm sure that we have one who is perfectly capable of answering these questions. I think it's wonderful that one should come so far to be with us tonight. And we do have, as you will see on your programs, that on Wednesday, January the 8th, Mr. McCoy will be at Basie's Hole, 1528 North Vermont Avenue in Hollywood. We also, you will see on your program, that Dr. Hunt-Williamson is in Long Beach tonight, and that's where our Dan is to introduce him. And he can't be too close to the blunt, so I'm trying to pinch-hit for him. And we will see that tomorrow afternoon at the Embassy Convention Hall in downtown Los Angeles,

that Dr. Williamson is going to speak for us at 2.30. No? Yes. And Monday, he will be at the Community Clubhouse in Santa Ana. Tuesday, he will be at the Townshend Hall in Pomona. Wednesday, at the Church of Truth in Pasadena. Friday, at the Scout Hall in Ventura. Saturday, at the Vista, Recreation Center Vista. And Sunday, at the Clem Davies Ministry Chapel in Hollywood. No, they have come out.

Is there any way by which we would know these people? Should we meet them? Is there any signal that they would give us? Which people? Come to space. You mean the people off the ships? Or the people here? Well, the question is, how would we recognize space people on this planet? Well, that is a very good question. There are a lot of people that go around claiming to be. And another good question would be, how do you tell when they're not? So, quite frankly, I would say that there, you would have to rely on your own abilities and discernment. There are certain things that you can tell about things which tend to indicate who certain people are. For example, most of these watchers, if you ask them the question, of course, this is very difficult, but they claim to be. It's hard to disprove if they're not. You can ask them the question, questions regarding their childhood, if they ever had the idea that they were adopted or that they were placed

here from somewhere. And all of them that I've talked to that were authentic have had that sensation. There are a few little things like that. Also, the eyes in photographs. You'll find that it will be in effect almost as if they were cross-eyed to a certain extent. That's right, in a photograph. And almost every photograph which is the partial profile will show that. Usually, there are certain characteristics about the hair which will disclose, in many cases, these individuals.

Well, you can come up afterwards and I'll talk to you more about that. Dr. Williamson's book has an entire chapter on that and I forget part of it, the things that he goes into. But he does go into detail on a description of these individuals. Now, as far as from being off the ship, well, I would say that you wouldn't be able to tell who they were unless they wanted you to. Because I understand that they have quite a bit of mental power and control. So, if they wanted you to know, you would. If they didn't, you wouldn't. So, there wouldn't be much to say there as far as I could tell. I really don't know too much about those two questions.

To my knowledge, I have never seen a spaceman where I could touch him. I have had some psychic experiences which I prefer not to go into, although I hardly prefer the psychic end of things. In my own case, it seems like it would not particularly help anyone to go into it, so I keep those private. Does the space people ever indicate when that would be the end that it would be necessary for them to land and help us? How near in the future do they feel that we would need them? How near in the future do the space people feel that they might land to help us? I'll repeat these for the benefit of the tape recordings if you're recording. Well, every place that I go on this trip, we have seen just about everybody that there is to see, all the way from Hewlin Casey up to the heir to the Astor Estate, who is very interested in these topics. And every place that we go, we find that it's always soon, soon, soon. Very few people give any dates,

but it's always soon. Now, whether soon is in 10,000 years or tomorrow, I don't know. But to their way of thinking, it's soon. I would be inclined, personally, and I stick my neck out here, and I say that it is strictly a personal opinion, and I have no basis for it particularly, but I think by 1960 that things will have come pretty much to a head. But that's strictly a guess. That goes along with the automatic fortune teller that you put a penny in. One interesting thing in the way of prophecy, which I will pass along to you, because it's something very close that you can check. How many of you have ever heard of Peter Herkos, the deaf person? Some of you have heard of Peter Herkos. Well, now Peter is in the United States now, and has been for some time. He was brought over by a very wealthy, owner of chain stores from the south, and is in Maine right now at the Round Table Foundation headquarters being investigated. They have found that he is about 80% accurate

in his predictions and what he says, his psychic information. He was used in England and France and Holland by the police, and also in the United States rather extensively by the police, and tracking down criminals. The trouble in the U.S. was that he tracked them down, but they couldn't produce the evidence, and so they haven't been able to make too many arrests from his work here. But in Europe, he's quite renowned for that particular phase of his psychic work. Well, this very wealthy gentleman, he's worth about $200 million, that brought him over, was telling us that Peter had predicted that in April of 1958, World War III would begin without the use of atomic energy. So I pass that along for what it's worth. And also, if you can keep a big secret, I'll tell you a big secret. This is not supposed to be told, and if you tell anybody, well, don't you dare tell them that I told you. And I'll tell you not to tell anybody,

but you probably will. But don't tell them that I told you. Now, Herkos was out in Maine on one of his lonely walks. He has to keep away from people a great deal, because when he's around people, he has the terrible habit of seeing all the accidents that are going to befall them, how they're going to die, and all sorts of things like that, and it's very depressing. So he keeps to himself most of it. Well, he was out on the seashore in Maine, alone, not anybody, and miles and miles, and suddenly out of the water pops the saucer. And he'd never said anything about saucers before at all. So the saucer pops up, and four people get out, and they talk to him about how to best use his psychic powers and things that are going to happen in the world. They take him inside and show him this great crystal, which is glowing, which they tell him is the only motive power of the ship. Ushering back to the shore, take off. So now Herkos has had his flying saucer contact too.

I think you'll find that there have been several hundred of these by prominent people in the past year, 1957. Any other questions? Do you know how many people from how many planets are interested in this whole picture of greater understanding that... ? Well, I don't have any personal information on it. Seemingly, however, there would be about ten other planets in this solar system which would be interested in our own. I'm sure that the number varies according to who you're talking to, but evidently the people in this solar system and the people of many other solar systems. According to one source, there was a very large ship around the Earth not too long ago, which was from many millions of light years away from another galaxy entirely. Tremendous distance. Well, it's further than that. And so far that our telescopes don't even reach that distance. It's totally unknown to our astronomers. That section, even the section of their,

the universe that they're in. And they were here strictly for scientific investigation. So a planet at this particular stage would develop. So I think it would range all the way from completely out beyond our conception even to our next-door neighbors in Mars and Venus. It's a tremendous picture. And it's a very tiny thing that happened to us. But yet it's a very important thing in the concept of ourselves as individual entities. But in the whole cosmic scheme, well, this has been enacted in millions of places all over the universe. And we've gone through it before. Any other questions? If such a ship were here, and I have seen three different sources myself, so I'm not saying it in a nasty way, surely the heavens would have, so supposedly, scientifically wise astronomers would have caught it with their telescopes and reported it? The ship? Well, it wasn't, uh, I was referring mainly to the section of the universe that they were from.

However, the ship was sighted, I understand, over Palomar. So probably the astronomers had a good, good website. And they just went with it? Idiot. Well, they know what's going on, but they don't tell anyone. Yeah. Uh, Major Kehoe keeps referring without explaining to the silence group that evidently they are fairly isolated from the universe. So, uh, well able to keep the news pushed down. But even when it comes out people How do you feel about NICAP? Well, that's an interesting question. Uh, I was in Washington when NICAP was formed. In fact, I was one that paid the rent for the building for the first month. So, uh, really, I was in on the birth of NICAP and was very, very interested in it. Um, Joseph Brown and Rose Hackett Campbell were the ones who were in charge. Sarah Johns thought the whole idea up and infected Townsend with it. And then I came into town and Morris Jessop and I and Townsend and Clara Johns and, uh, Fred ation a few other people like that got together.

raised a little money, and Brown knew quite a few wealthy people who were interested in the subject and got sufficient funds to start the thing. And later on, Townsend hadn't stepped out because of his commitments to the government of France as their main, what is the word, their main consultant on electromagnetic energy

to be used for propulsion of spacecraft, and he had to go back to Paris, and Kehoe very nicely took over. Now, imagine you're referring to the investigation contact cases. Well, NACAP is the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon, and originally they were out to be a filtering center and a gathering point for all sorts of New Age information. Well, Kehoe has come. This down strictly to Saucers, and I very definitely disagree with Kehoe on doing that. However, it still can serve a very good purpose. Now, in regards to their announced plans of investigating the contact cases, well, I don't see what they're doing, really, because they either have to confirm or deny or remain neutral. The contact cases have been fully presented to the public by the contactees. So, I realize... I really can't see that there's much to gain unless they intend to confirm it. Now, I myself know that my own experiences are true, and I've lived with Dr. Williamson

now for almost a year, and I've known Adapski very well, and I've seen certain documents which very definitely prove to me, and they would probably to most people, a number of

Adapski's experiences. Now, the first one, Dr. Williamson's, is that he's been in the United States for a long, long time. He's been in the United States for a long time. He's been in the United States for a long time. He's been in the United States for a long time. He's been in the United States for a long time. And I know written very well, and there isn't any doubt about it, the first experience was definitely true, as presented in the book. So, if Kehoe comes out and says Adapski's lying, Williamson is lying, McCoy is lying, well, I know that Kehoe doesn't know what he's talking about, because there's good evidence that these people are not lying. So, the only thing that I can say that would... prove anything, would be for him to confirm it. And there certainly is enough evidence for a bunch of contact cases to confirm it. He hasn't gotten far enough yet to neither to condemn nor confirm, has he? No. Not really, and I don't see how he ever will.

A lot of people would believe him, possibly, when they wouldn't believe someone else, if he will only confirm it. That's right. I don't see that in the picture, though, after talking to him. Do you feel that some, there are some evil...

Very definitely. All that is coming in spaceships is not good. But I think in here, right here, that you're just against...

Well, now, I have the utmost respect for Major Kehoe, but he made a statement that contact stories are not true. But I would say that Major Kehoe is simply ignorant of the facts, and that it is not... Even the fact that he hasn't been educated, he's not... He's not willing to be educated. But still, I have the utmost respect for him, and he is doing his job. I don't think too much will come of the contact business, but we'll see. I don't know. It'll be a very interesting thing to watch. But there are very definitely individuals in the flying saucer field, prominent individuals, perhaps, who would make statements along certain lines which would be designed... to be to the detriment of the flying saucer field and the world in general. Or to keep the world...

That's right. ...in a higher being if they want to do it. That's right. And I think... Well, let's put it this way. The communists, when they came into the United States, chose the most respected organizations to infiltrate the beginner, to the extent that the... that the entire concepts of Marxism were being taught and were recorded in the Girl Scout handbook. You could pick out phrases which were word for word that came from Marx and which were in the Girl Scout handbook. The churches were infiltrated very quickly. The public libraries were masked with communist literature.

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Your cheap fiction. Bang. It was all... A lot of communists. It was all communist propaganda for a long time. And we find that whenever we find an insidious enemy coming in to attack, that they will choose the most respected method of attacking. So that we... When people heard, well, so-and-so says the Girl Scout handbook is communistic. Oh, no, this couldn't be because the Girl Scouts are Girl Scouts. And so forth and so on. When back home, all the leaders of the YMCA were convicted on perjury in court back in Texas for saying that they were not communists. It was proven that they were party members for about 15 or 20 years prior to getting into the YM and YWCA work. And it was nothing but a big party headquarters for a very long time, about five years there in Corpus Christi. And San Antonio and Houston, I believe. Well, by disguising their own backgrounds and by appearing to be something that they were not, you see.

And by flattering them. And by many devious methods, they were able to infiltrate. So in UFOs even today, we will find we have to because there is a negative influence working in a very powerful way. Against the things, the truths that are trying to be brought out to mankind. But we will find that this influence will be in UFOs too. So we have to be discerning. We can't believe everything we read. Yeah? I'd like your comments on the Great Barber's Book on the purpose of it. It can be as scary as it can get to us. We've got to have a lot of courage in case it's bald or all. Well, uh... I mean, I read it and I said I'm not going to pay attention to it. Well, but Barber... I mean, I've got courage enough to feel it. It doesn't have to scare anybody to scare the heart out of a person. It's a very frightening book. Terrific. Perhaps it served a purpose. I really don't know. It's always been rather an enigma to me as to what is going on there.

Why he wrote it. What the purpose was. Well, I don't know. And if I did, I wouldn't say. But... It's hilarious. Definitely, these things, have been going on, though, where people have been shut up, so to speak. I know of several cases myself where people have been approached for various reasons, on reasons and various levels. But, uh... In Barker's book, I will risk... I make it a practice to try not to say anything personal about anyone. But I will say this. Some of his facts on the Australian, uh... events which he described were not correct. Uh, strictly due to, uh, bad reporting and it got a little mixed up somehow or another. But there was quite a, uh... quite a bit going on in Australia. There's quite a few things that he got very confused which are going to be brought out in a book by Fred Stone of the Australian Flying Saucer Research Society. And, uh... Perhaps most of you don't know it, but, uh... This is a rather new organization.

Uh, a number of people and myself have gone together and organized a publishing company in Texas and we will be putting out quite a few, uh... hardcover bound, uh... books. Pulling, uh... in the near future. And that will be one of them. We just got word today that the manuscript arrived in Texas. So we're going to start work very shortly on it. I am Australian and I belong to all those groups. Oh, really? And none of those things work. That's right. Jeff has been the first president of the first association. Something happened to him. My closest friends are the ones that have set up this new one. Which I'll talk to when I get back. And, uh... They went out to this and that home with the usual bad owner and everything else was there. And he is with us. So something happened. Great. So definitely negative influences are working. Uh... However, I don't think it's possible to be too active in this recommittment debate. Yeah.

Right here. You spoke about the mystery schools. Uh... Is there anything more you could tell us about that? What would you... What more would you like to know? Where are they located? Yeah. Well, there's one right here in the state of California. At Mount Shasta. Which I understand is being removed at the present time. Because Shasta is about to become a volcano or something. So... What about the Tetons? And the Tetons. And there's also one near Banff in Alberta. And there's one in Yucatan. And there's one in Peru. And there's one in France. And there's one in Germany. And there's one in Russia. And there are several in the eastern areas. Tibet and China. There are a lot of them. Do you refer to any of the mystery schools that have other groups that may be worldwide in nature? Because people can join and know where to join. No. Not at all. I don't. These are all the secret organizations. Now, however, for example, Alice Bailey's latest book, which has just been printed,

is entitled The Externalization of the Hierarchy, which would imply that there is a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. It's a mystery school. And it tells you that there is a trend coming about for the secret mystery schools to become more unsecretive, public schools, so to speak. They are coming out into the open more as time goes on. . You were saying that the white brotherhood and the mystery schools could be one of the same? I would say so. There are a lot of names, but it's the same force. It's the same organization. What do you think? . To your knowledge, have any of our great patriotic leaders had actual contacts with any of the space people?

I mean, in view of this situation that we're confronted with today. You mean contemporary? Contemporary, where they perhaps at the opportune time will express an opinion because of their influence across the country, will have a great bearing?

Well, not so much the latter, but the former. I have a good authority that Eisenhower was contacted by the space people, that he talked personally to a spaceman,

and that he has been inside a ship that landed at one of the Air Force bases, and that he refused to cooperate on orders from higher up.

I don't know, that's what was passed on to me by this reliable source. Well, to him, they're higher up.

Well, I understand there are several incidents. The one that I know about wasn't that one. It wasn't California. He was both here and went to that corner. They never opened that corner there. Well, I think that, too, is another case. But we have been told by reliable sources that Eisenhower has had his chance and that he has refused to cooperate with the space people,

that all governments have had their chance, and that all of them have refused to work with the space people. Can you think of... Do you think they have a good reason why they wouldn't contact some of our great retired leaders? Well, I think they have. Douglas MacArthur made some rather interesting statements. But, for example, a couple of members of NICAP's board have been contacted, and a lot of people, but you just don't go around talking about those things.

If you're in that position. Well, I should think that a person with the prestige of General MacArthur and some of those retired military officers on NICAP,

in view of their patriotism to their country, I know that I would, if I was in their position, I would make a public statement over the radio or television. I mean, the situation is so terrible and so serious. Well, I think some of you people here in the audience could explain that. rather well. So you... Some of you back in after the, ah, the argument. Our family. I had a Christian Huygens, who is almost my human flesh patron saint.

But he, ah, conceived, ah, what... Born 1629 and died 1695. So somewhere in between that he conceived the idea of the ego. And with that concept came the new... phase, the new chapter in science. It gave science an impetus which brought us to where we are today. Ah, the ether has been in contest, ah, theoretically and every otherwise for years since the theory of relativity and since the fear of Newton and a few others. But, now, ah, this Christian Huygens did so much for science, he was such a great scientist in his own, ah, right, that we wonder, why is he such a mysterious figure? Since he was the stepping stone. And I myself know nothing more about him except that he gave the concept of the ether. And that concept really launched science into finance. Now, ah, my insistence on Christian Huygens seemed to pass word. Max Miller of, ah, Fine Saucers International started doing some research on, ah, Christian Huygens.

So in his, ah, little pamphlet called, ah, Saucers Magazine, he had a little write, no, not in Saucers Magazine, I'm sorry, but in that book, ah, Fine Saucers, which has been put out by 10 books, he had a nice write-up about Christian Huygens. So half-page devoted to Christian Huygens' story of space visitors. This was as early as late 1629 and between 1629 and 1695. Now, that gives an idea how Christian Huygens himself, otherwise unknown to us, unbeknownst to us, had somehow an interest in space visitors. Now, to me, it was a contact. Now, others may take it as they want. But there, and yet, he, he treated it as fiction, aside from his work, just because people were not ready to accept those things. And the same applies to so many others, like, ah, Harold Sherman, the author, and whatnot. Now, I think that... Jules Verne. Jules Verne, yeah. Ah, that's quite true. Wow. I read, I know, several science fiction novels which today are providing us their experiences.

That's not true. We're ready to go. Me? I would like to say something in answer to this gentleman's question about life. I think that someone doesn't stand for it in the interest of these things. I want to announce that generals before the House, ways and means, ask questions on the 7th.

And they meet at 10 o'clock here. There will be 7 o'clock there. And he has been permitted to speak there before them. Now, what will come of it, I don't know, but there are several measures that are very vital to the welfare of our Constitution, our country, and to many things. And he's very interested in spacecraft subjects. And he is in contact with many of the spacecraft people back in New York and New Jersey. And he is meeting with them and talking with them. So he is really back there in Washington, D.C. today with that permission to speak. Well, next... On the 7th, 7.30, from 7 in the morning on, everyone of you send him a good thought

because we know the power of thought. And send him a little prayer that he will be able to fulfill his mission. Now, will you please tell me when again? That will be on the 7th. Yes, at 7 o'clock Eastern Time. 7 o'clock in the morning? 7 in the morning. At 10 o'clock. At 10 o'clock there, but it will be at 7 o'clock here. I would like to say one more thing along that line. Probably most of you know or know of Major Wayne Ahol. He is in Washington right now also doing a terrific job in educating the Senators and the Congressmen on what is going on in flying saucers. And one thing that could do a tremendous amount to help break this down, to help break this wide open publicly in the Senate or the hearing and so forth, which probably wouldn't come to much officially, but which would break it wide open in the newspapers, would be for you people to write intelligent letters asking that your Congressmen and that

your Senators look into it and find out what is going on. Not letters, if you don't announce flying saucers to the space, I'm going to vote you out. Because all that they have to do is look into it. These men, in general, are intelligent men. But they have these issues placed in front of them about who is going to spin what where. And they simply don't have time for things like flying saucers. But Henry Mayday, the Detroit editor, and Wayne went up to the Michigan Senator's office and on his desk were two letters from organizations and media. Organizations in Michigan. Asking very nicely, very intelligently written, giving certain data, and asking that you look into it and find out what is going on. These were on his desk and you were very impressed with them. Because they were on his desk, he brought Wayne and Mr. Mayday into his office and had a very long talk about flying saucers. He said that he was very interested.

Please come back. So, the shell is being cracked. In Washington. And Holdridge, I'm sure, will do a terrific amount to help go on and crack that. I know that he's been working very closely with you people out here and with other friends of ours. And something's building up there. There's a terrific force in Washington that's against these things and will do everything in its power to crush them into the earth. But if we get enough people that aren't going to be crushed, or if they do get crushed, we'll just jump right back up again. We'll have something growing up there very shortly. It's coming to the time when these things are going to be known. I would like to add a little word to that. And I'm going to keep at this until somebody does. And that is, most of us are sleeping to our opportunity of announcing to the atmosphere that something must be done. And we are asking that it be done. As individuals. And as that comes up to a level,

as a big number, something is going to be done. But if we don't take that stand as individual beings, then the world cannot do a thing. It's a silent word. But we have to announce it. We are willing to know what the laws of the universe are. We want to learn them. We will obey them. We will live those laws. And we want a kind of world like that. But we have to announce it. I mean it. And one of the most basic problems that the space people have is changing earth consciousness. They have to go around so many deviant little ways to get the thoughts of space in people's minds. So that the, so that in the ethers, in the, whatever you want to call it, the entire planes, the concepts can be brought down to the people. There has to be the receptivity here first. So each one of us, back in the little trance, each one of us has to be a transmitter. Sending this out. And by affirming it within ourselves, and making ourselves receptive to it,

can do a tremendous amount. It's essential. If we, who are working in the new age fields, don't do it, well what do we expect the other people to do? They don't know any better. We can't expect to ask anybody else to change themselves if we do that and ask that we are willing. And we will obey. That's why there are going to be tens, but there are now thousands. Well I really feel that General Holdrich has got an inside place for the civil reasons that he is a retired Brigadier General. That he did go through this point with Ike. He knows him personally. And he knows quite a few of those important people personally. And that is why he has this time given to him to hear his case. And I think we better just send him as Mr. McClay said, send him a good thought that he's going to be successful. All right? I'm going to say one word. Just one thing. There is not an unknown fact that he is there. Because he put out over 1,000 of his newsletters

outlining the program that he was going to give when he went back there, asking support, letters to the Ways and Means Committee, to give him added time. They were going to limit his time. And there probably has been hundreds of letters gone in there requesting that they give him full time to carry out the program as he wished to do it. He went before a committee there a number of years ago and they weren't going to listen to him at all to begin with. They said they wouldn't. But when they stepped into the room and found a large basket full of letters from hundreds of people demanding that they give him time, he had ample time, over an hour's time, before the committee. And that, I think, is what's going to take place now. While they're attempting to limit him, I believe that the pressure is on his side. These numerous letters that are going in, which I know some went right from this vicinity, I believe that they're going to give him time

to put his program before and have ample time to describe it in the manner in which he wishes to do it. And I think that he's going to start a bombshell. Did you say it was the Ways and Means Committee? Yeah, the Ways and Means Committee. The Ways and Means Committee, he's learned before. Congress? Yes, Congress, yes. How would you address the Ways and Means Committee of the House of Representatives? Well, it's too late now. It wouldn't get there in time. Telegram would. Telegram would, yes. What's that name? The one with the head of it? I forgot the name now. I wrote letters. It's a special name, yes, rather than we have the name at home, but I don't remember. But anyway, there's a certain party there. But General Colbridge is also president of the Ways and Means Committee. Yes, he is. He's the president of the Ways and Means Committee. Yes, he is. He's the president of the Ways and Means Committee. Yes, he is. He's sitting there.

Well, and you're the leader in the public, but you're taking down time. Ways and Means Committee is an international structure. It was built a long time ago in the

late 1800s.