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Undated Saucer Long John Interviews George Van Tassel

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

Hi there, my name is Long John, and I'm sitting right now 24 floors above the square known as Times in the city of New York.

And I do this bit, which is called the party line, from around midnight right through till 5.30, six mornings during the week, and of course on Sundays I get started about one in the morning.

And I sit around and talk till 5.30, so that means I'm on the air 37 and a half hours a week. Now recently, Paul Roberts, the president of Mutual Network, contacted me and he thought that, and I hope he's right too, that maybe we can do a program that will be of value to the various stations on the network.

It's pretty tough to sit here and say, you know, I do a great job, because I don't think it's that good, honestly. Let me tell you just a little something about myself, and then I'll tell you something. Let me tell you just a little something about the show. I haven't been in this business too long. I'm sort of a JCL, a Johnny-come-lately. Actually, this is the first station I've been associated with, that's WOR. I was working out in a little small community that's known as Parsippany, New Jersey. I was selling merchandise out there, and one of the VPs happened to listen to me, and he thought I'd do a pretty good job of selling.

So if you're looking... And for an experienced, old-time radio man, you know, a fellow who's been in it for 20 years, I'm not your boy.

I'm just a Johnny-come-lately. Now, I sit around and talk with many interesting people. I talk to people who claim that they've been to other planets and to hypnotists, and then we get into some controversial subjects from time to time, such as fluoridation, and, oh, maybe it's about hypnotism or psychiatry and things like that. And we just sit around and talk. It's no big deal. There's no big production. I'll say this, and I hope that I don't sound like I'm an egotist. I do a pretty good job when it comes to selling a product, and I have created a certain amount of interest on the part of listeners, and I sincerely hope that I can do the same thing on your station. I'd certainly appreciate it very much if you'll give me a chance, if you'll air some of these programs, and I'm going to... I'm going to make up for you. I think that you'll find, with a little effort on your part, too, you know, a little publicity for the show,

I think we can actually get a number of listeners who come back every night to listen, because we have sort of offbeat material. Well, I think I've told you enough about yours truly, L.J. I've given you a little idea of what we do on the show, and I'm very fortunate to have Tommy Reynolds associated with me, Tommy's been in the business for a number of years as a great musical director, Tommy Reynolds and his orchestra, and he's a writer and a TV and a radio producer, and he's producing this series for the Mutual Network, and I think with the help of Tommy Reynolds and my lack of ability, we ought to be able to put something together that, well, it'll be different, that I can assure you. So, Tommy, I think we've got a little sample of some of the shows

[03:27] First major segment

that we've done, and I think we've got a little sample of some of the shows that we've done, that we've done before, and if you'll set that up, we'll give the good people on the Mutual Party Line, that is, the station managers and program directors, an opportunity to hear, or at least to get a little idea of what we do. Have you got that set up, Tommy? Now, George Van Tassel is a man that owns the famous Giant Rock Airport. That's located 17 miles north of Yucca Valley, California. I had the pleasure of talking to him, and I think he's a great man. I had the pleasure of visiting with George Van Tassel when I attended the 4th Annual Interplanetary Spacecraft Convention. The convention dates were May 11th and May 12th of this year, and, oh, I would say there were possibly 8,000 or 10,000 people at the convention for the two-day period. And, of course, out there I had the pleasure of meeting many famous people

in the flying saucer field, such as George Adamski, Truman Bathroom, and I even met out... I met out there Buck Nelson. You know, Buck Nelson is the farmer, and he's the man who claims that he's been to the planet Venus, and he's also been to the planet Mars, and, let me see, I think he was to the moon. And he brought back a 385-pound Venusian dog. Oh, now, wait a moment. Don't laugh about this. Oh, I know the question that you have in mind. You're possibly saying, John, did you see it? Well, if that is your question, I'll give you an honest answer. I did not see the dog, but I saw the hair. Yes, this man, Buck Nelson, was selling dog hair in cellophane envelopes for 50 cents. He was doing pretty well, I was told, but I did not see the 385-pound dog. And if you'd like to know where it is, I was told by Buck Nelson that the Venusians came back down to his farm up in Missouri, and they took it back up to the planet.

And, of course, Howard Menger was out there, too. You know, that's the sign painter from Highbridge, New Jersey, the man who claims that flying saucers landed in his apple orchard from time to time. And when he was about 10 years of age, he spoke to that beautiful girl with the golden eyes and the blonde hair. She was sitting on a rock out in the apple orchard. And about 15 years later, when he was about 25, he saw the same girl. I say girl because, you know, she appeared to be 25 when he was 10, and she still appeared to be 25 15 years later. Actually, she was 500 years old. Hard to believe. Yes, it's hard for me to believe, too. Of course, then, we also had the pleasure of talking recently with 1452. And 1452 tells us that those Venusians are mean. He said, they're really very, very mean, John. They're meaner than you. So I don't know. However, we had the pleasure, after having George Van Tassel on the program,

he came in from California, and Dan Fry came in, too. Dan Fry is the man who claims that he went from the White Sands Proving Grounds to New York and back, a distance of 4,000 miles in 36 minutes. That's pretty fast traveling. Of course, he went that way in a flying saucer. Now, when George Van Tassel was on the program, that very same morning, Jules B. St. Germain, the attorney from Lindbrook, Long Island, he stopped in, and I must say that they got together, and they got together, and they got into kind of a hassle. Maybe you'd like to hear it. Well, I have some of the tapes, not all of them, but I have some of them, and we'll be listening this morning. In fact, the very first question that came to my mind was just this. Frankly, I wanted Van to give me the answer to it. Now, I know that the Air Force has been investigating flying saucers. Well, I talked to two brain surgeons who post-mortem the brains of 16 bodies.

Now, certainly if the Air Force called in civilian brain surgeons to examine brains, they must know the flying saucers existed that the bodies were taken. Of who? Who were these 16 people? Of space people? Yes, definitely. Identifiable as such? Well, they identified them by the fact that the fiber of the brain indicated they were from 300 to 700 years old, according to our own scale and chart under a microscope. That was not only... There we run right back into the same old definition, or lack of definition of what constitutes proof. You have been told by two brain surgeons that they did this thing, and thus and so was the evidence and the opinion, and you have to take that on their say-so, just as everybody else has to take your statement or a manager's statement or a damsky's statement as to contact. That's right. But as I say, if this hadn't been started under a security measure, as something is happening to the world

rather than to a nation, you see, if something is happening to a nation, then I believe it is privileged to withhold this information from other nations if they feel that it is definitely

[08:39] Second major segment

for their own security. Do you know the name of these brain surgeons? No, I don't. You know, when you sit around every night and you cut up a few jackpots for five and a half hours, it makes it kind of tough to talk in 15 minutes and say a lot. And I guess that's what they want me to do. You know, when I say jackpots, that's, well, that's sort of a jargon that I use to describe, you know, little bits of conversation. So they told me to hustle up a little bit, so I had to interrupt our conversation with George Van Tassel. But there's one little part that I don't want you to miss. He told us about a conoscope. I'm not giving you a con. This is a square count, something about a conoscope. Let's listen to it now. You know, George, George was telling me about the plans and the model that he received from, I forget whether it was Venus or Mars. It was sort of a crystal ball. And George, if I'm not mistaken, you said it was a conoscope?

Yes, it's a conoscope. It's what the space people call a conoscope. What is this called? We have many of them today which are really replicas or duplicates or counterfeits of the real thing. The conoscope is counterfeited today in what we call a crystal ball. The original conoscope is made up in such a manner that the tuning of it is controlled by the thought of the individual looking into it. Does it look like a crystal ball? It looks like a crystal ball when it's finished. When it's finished? This man who happens to be conducting this particular course, this research in making these parts that go into this thing, because they aren't just one ball, there are many parts. And the axis of these particular crystals have to be in relative directions to form three planes. And there's also three of the primary colors that go in the three planes. And this thing will reproduce, by thinking into it, it'll reproduce whatever you desire to see.

It's red, black, and green. It'll produce a full... Full color and in motion, just like a motion picture. You know, if you think that conoscope is something, it is something that's even a little more offbeat than that. We were talking to George, George Van Tassel, that is, and he told me about a rejuvenating machine. Will you hear this one? This is the wildest yet. Well, this seems to be an article about George Van Tassel and his wonderful rejuvenation machine. It sounds like Tom Swift and his airplane, the way they titled it. May I just make this one comment, though? I do know the two gentlemen happen to be in the studio here this evening. That's wonderful. No, the reason I say this, George, is that they based this article on tapes that they made of the party line. Well, all I can say is that either they heard the tapes wrong or something, because there was no mention of Silas Newton on the tapes that I know of. And they brought that in here.

I can ask. And they also stated, which... Which originated with a convicted swindler, Silas Newton. I'll inform you people right now, in case you're listening back there, that Silas Newton was not convicted. You have made a statement of libel here against him, which he could sue you for. You better find out what you're talking about when you print things in the paper. Might I state this, that then True Magazine is guilty of libel. He has a million-dollar lawsuit hanging over their head right now. They gave very specific dates. May I ask you... Of course. If this is a direct quote, may I continue, rather, announcing... May I interrupt just one moment, please? Yeah. I would like to announce that any of the statements made by any of my guests this morning are not necessarily the opinions of the management of WOR, the Mutual Network, any of their affiliates, or yours truly, L.J. Let me quote one paragraph from page 8, the second paragraph on page 8.

I'm sorry to pull things out of context, and I think you appreciate the fact that I'm doing it only because of lack of time, and I'm sure you'll have every opportunity

[12:54] Questions and closing discussion

to do so. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to discuss the article itself at greater length later in the morning. Well, anyway, George has a copy, so you might be taking it out of context. I'd like to comment on this article myself. Quote, However, the most significant tale, now being told by Van Tassel... I'm sure that tale... You understand tale. See, that's an implication. It's not meant in a derogatory sense. Told by Van Tassel is the story of the longevity machine. It seems that it is by no means a machine, underlined, using time fields, that the planet people are able to live so many centuries without aging. In parenthesis, Methuselah, who was a Venusian, had one of these machines, but since it gradually wore out, his descendants lived shorter lives than he did. You don't believe this? The source of people say it so. End of quote. End of parenthesis. Van Tassel knows how to build this machine, and he knows the theory of its operation.

As we age, the electron orbits in our atoms become eccentric, and this machine rejuvenates us by restoring them to circularity. Quote, in parenthesis, as anyone with a smattering of chemistry or physics will recognize, this is Aaron Balderdash. Close of parenthesis. This whole article is Aaron Balderdash. These are not anything here right. No, nothing here is... Have you referred to Methuselah as a Venusian? No, I never referred to any such a thing. This is put in here with a vein of ridicule. This is all written in a vein of ridicule. This whole thing is written in a vein of ridicule. Back here it says Adamski's story is true, and then in quotes it says anyone who has studied this knows it must be false. Look, I talked to an Air Force Major General who personally told me he had witnessed the motion pictures taken from an airplane circling over Adamski's contact of the entire contact. Could you give us his name, please, or write it down?

No, I won't give you his name because he asked me not to use his name. Can you ever give a name and address, Mr. Van Chastel? Certainly, I can't. I have that. But not what they're giving to me in conference. I'm afraid I have to... Let me go over this. This article, let me say something. Yes, but let me finish first. Go ahead, Hans, please. After all, I'm being attacked on the paper by you and by somebody else, and everybody on the attack side gets the time... Mr. Van Chastel. No, they will not. No, they will not, George. Mr. Van Chastel, I am not convinced. I am... In fact, not only am I not convinced, I am a little confused. I should think you would be confused. You've been reading this article. I've been reading quite a number of things. This article would confuse anybody. I can show you a deliberate misstatement here. Mr. Van Chastel. It says Kehoe spoke at the 1956 convention and Kehoe and Ruppelt, neither one were there.

It says both of them spoke there. Mr. Van Chastel. These statements are absolute falsehoods. Mr. Van Chastel. Well, neighbors, all I can say is that that'll give you just a sample of what we do on the party line.