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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [39:37] First major segment
• [01:39:04] Second major segment
• [02:27:42] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

So in the dream he said that Amenhotep III was paralyzed for six years and couldn't speak.

And then I did research on this and it was true. But that was a crazy dream. You can just take it or leave it. But when you come to Ramesses II, and it's Edgar Cayce who says that Ramesses II and Amenhotep III are the same individual. Not only do they look alike, but if Moses were the man who crippled this first pharaoh, Amenhotep III, or Amenophis,

then you come to Ramesses II. Remember how often the Bible says he was ready to let the people go and he hardened his heart. It would be like a subconscious memory. But when we got to Karnak and Luxor, our guide was a young student. He has his M.A. in archaeology. He's working for his Ph.D. And he just would go in. He was interested even in reincarnation. And when he took us to Luxor, he called me Jessica. He said, look, Jessica, Amenhotep III did this over here. But he said, Ramesses II did this, exactly like it. We got to Karnak, the same sort of things, the same sort of columns. Amenhotep III did this, but Ramesses II did that. So I had never talked to him, even five minutes. He said, you know, I think they're the same person. And so that is what Edgar Cayce said. So it's an interesting story. But to wind it up, someday someone is going to find these records. I hope to go back. Maybe it's you. Okay, thank you.

Yes, please. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to have the questions. Will those of you who would like to ask a question, raise your hand, stand up, and give the question. And then we'll have Jessica repeat the question for you. Barbara, Mrs. Yates? Jessica, did you tell them that? Do you want to come tell them about Reinhold Smith? Is that it? Well, I went up and I was right. I told them. Well, I didn't. I left out the most important thing. This man started to have all these. There's so much to tell. You know, and me, I've already talked an hour. This man started to have all of these dreams. And as I said, I would check everything. It went on for a year and a half. And I thought, oh. I thought, I wanted to shut off reincarnation. I spent some, as I said, 14 years working with Hewlin Cayce. And Hewlin said, Jessica, no one has ever broken down my life reading. He said, you try to do it. Actually, Cayce left a reading for someone born March 18, 1911,

and said that this individual would be clairvoyant, and with Hewlin. So it took me seven years to break down Hewlin's life reading. He finally showed it to me. He said I was the sixth person in the world, fifth person besides his father, who's ever seen his life reading. And there were all these lives before me. I had dreamed and dreamed and dreamed. It was rather astonishing. But every time you find a past life, you feel like that big. Because it's like seeing yourself, and you're so nothing. I mean, it's one thing to, it's very odd. At City College, Cayce said I should be a drama teacher. And I went to City College to see if I had any talent in acting at all. And I once did on the stage a past life. And it was so easy to do it, something I once lived, according to Cayce. It was so easy to do it on the stage. But the thing is, I was so young. I was so young. It was a humiliation of knowing the weaknesses of this individual.

So the last thing I ever wanted was to know past lives. And when Joe began to dream all of this, the odd thing was I began to dream with him. And I would wake up crying. When he dreamed of one thing, I would dream along with him. Now, as I said, I do not mean I'm any of these people. Not at all. I believe, I got, incidentally, I have, I think, 25 or 27 letters from Nefertiti. I do think it's rather odd that they picked a little Chinese girl. I write on a paper. I write under the name of Mei Ling to write and tell them, tell her. But they all have something on Nefertiti. So it's like a Nefertiti cycle, a Nefertiti period, which I mean, I think means it's time to find the records. But what happened, as I said, Egypt was shut off to me. If any, even at the lecture at Virginia Beach, when they talked about, when Hewlin talked about Egypt, I walked out. And I loved to hear him lecture. He's a good lecturer. He's splendid.

But I couldn't stand to hear it. And suddenly, the whole thing opens up for me. And in dreams, it pours in. And I prayed about it. I said, God, I don't want to lose my mind. I just don't want to lose my mind. And whereas it took me so many years just to break down Hewlin's readings, here when I started to dream about Egypt, lifetime after lifetime after lifetime after lifetime came through, I think I found 14 lives in about a matter of two months. And it was, you know, dreaming in the greatest of detail. And then I said, if there's a purpose, God, let me know. Because, gee, this. It could be insanity. This is something I don't understand. It took so long before. And then one day, Joe, this man, he had a dream about 12,500 years ago. And Casey said that there were three men who rang the bell. Now, rang the bell on the first day that all the people came together for the first prayer in Egypt, that is, as a group.

And so I had heard any number of dreams. And Casey gave a key that Hewlin once showed me. And I'll tell about it. But all these people, these boys at Virginia Beach who dream of ringing the bell, they would have a bell and they'd go ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling, ding-a-ling. And that's not it. You know, that's not it. So when Joe told me this dream, it was early on a Saturday morning. And he said, and I dreamed that I was hanging onto this rope. It was the top of a pyramid, it looked like. And I was trying to do two things, to ring a bell and to do something, he said, to the apex. I think to seal it in one way. And he said, he thought, my God, I can't hold out any longer. My hands are raw and bleeding. And he looked below him and there were two men hanging to this rope. And he didn't know who they were. But see, Casey said, none of these three has entered the work. There are three people in the world who could find the records and about, I guess, 300 that

might be able to find them. And finally, he said, in his dream, he said, Ra, help me. Ra, Ra. Ra would have been. Edgar Casey. And suddenly, he was able to strike the gong. And he was able to strike it twice. And then he dreamed the whole thing about sealing the records and the secret of it. That's why we do think, when Marjorie, my friend, I left that out, too. When Marjorie, my friend, who's an archaeologist, she got a 10-day permit. And for 10 days, she dug. And on the 10th day, in front of the sphinx, she said she hit a rock. Now, maybe she thinks she did. But the guide, I did get to see Mrs. Nasser at a tea. And she assigned the same guide to us. She was very friendly. She heard of Edgar Casey. She didn't say we could ever have a permit. Her secretary talked to me most of all. But I had the same guide. And he'd keep all these other people. There are hundreds running after you. Buy, buy, buy, buy. Buy this, buy this, buy this.

And she hit water on the 10th day. But according to Joe's dream, that's the secret. He dreams. He did dream. I don't see him anymore. But he would dream all the time of what, how to get the records. To get the water out. That's the secret. So that only the people who are supposed to find it, any new age person, will ever find it. But Marjorie hit water. And to come back to Barbara's question, how did I know? He dreamed all of these great details. He has a whole map worked out. And again, it's a good map. And finally, I thought, gee, Nasser won't let anybody in now unless he's a PhD. Here this man who hasn't even finished 11th grade. He wants to go to Egypt. And look. Casey must be wrong on this. So finally, I said, Joe, you know, I know what you're dreaming. And he said, what? And I told him the whole story. I told you from the beginning. It took about an hour. And when I finished, it was 10 minutes to 11. That was the Saturday morning.

And I said, Nasser will never let you go into Egypt. It's just out of the question. And so he's a very odd fellow. And he took out his wallet. He took out a $20 bill. And he walked over to my desk and laid it down. And he dialed O for operator. So he asked, I want to speak to Mrs. Nasser. And he even gave the address. Oh, my God. He's gone completely mad. He's just out of his mind. So they operated there. So there are only 10 minutes left. She said, I will try to get through in that time. She said, whom shall I say is calling? And he said, tell her it's Joe Brandt. Tell her it's her chauffeur, her guide after World War II in Germany. And who worked with her in an office. Mrs. Nasser, before she married Nasser. Actually worked in Germany after World War II, getting some of their people back into Egypt and so on. So in about four minutes, a call came through. I answered, not Joe. So I know that he got her. And so I guess her secretary said, could she speak to Joseph Brandt?

And Joe went, they started to speak in German. And I just heard a little bit. But finally, he said in English, do you know about Edgar Cayce? And she said, yes. And he said, I think I know about those records. Do you know about the records? And she said, yes. And so it seemed to me fantastic. Joe got to see Mrs. Nasser the day after I left Egypt. I got invited on my own. I didn't think it was a good idea. They used to be engaged. They used to be in love. And I didn't think it was a good idea for me to even say. He was with a friend of his. They stayed together. And I stayed way at the other end of the hotel. But one day she called there and said that Jessica Madigan was to come to tea. And after that, really, one nightly, when I went to my room, there was seven of the servants there. And when I walked in, you know, the old lady, that was the day she called. But anyway, we haven't a permit or anything else. But I hope to go someday.

But I'm getting kind of old. And when I was there, I was thinking, I've really made it some of these young people. The Johnny Rivers age group, 22 to 26-something, they may be the one. But that's how I happened to go to Egypt. To me, it's a fantastic story that out of maybe a million boys, that this one man, Joseph Brandt, was the one who actually knew Mrs. Nasser didn't.

Are there any other questions? Yes? Oh, Jessica? Yes, John. Yes, dear. When you saw those flying saucers in Egypt, did they... I saw one there, one. Did they look like anti-spaceships? A little. Casey described what he called the shoe ships in Atlanta. And I think that, you know, flying saucers are mentioned, you know better than I, Lee. And isn't it, Ezekiel, Ezekiel, they're mentioned. And Edgar Cayce once saw a red chariot in the sky, which I think is a flying saucer. Nobody asked him about it. So I think that they were very similar. Yes. Do you know how Jean Hickson feels?

Well, I don't know exactly. You know, Jean, I know her mother. I know, I did know her father. And her sister. Evelyn, when I was a teenager, was my closest friend at that time, Evelyn Pinkard. And they were very poor at that time. And the way Jean speaks now, they were very rich. But they were, you know, in moderate circumstances. But they are devout Catholics, are her mother and her sister. And I don't know. I saw Mrs. Pinkard about three years ago. She could be dead now. She's about 80, maybe in her 80s. And she has had a small five and dime car right outside of San Bernardino. And my friend and I spoke to her about Jean. And she said, well, Jessica, what about Evelyn? She said, you know, Evelyn now owns Tri-City Airport. Evelyn comes to see me every other day. Evelyn this and Evelyn that. She never answered us about Jean. So I don't know if it was because she's a Catholic or what it is. There's not a close communion there.

That's my idea. I did read where Jean Dickson said that she believed she had one in her past life. But of course, she is just the fact that you don't know reincarnation wouldn't be that you are not an evolved soul. But she may have closed this door for some reason. Yes. Anything. Oh, yes. You just asked the question about Arcturus. Edward Casey said anyone interested in Arcturus has been there or is on his or her way there. So you know that. Someone asked Edward Casey, what happens? Do we just keep coming back into the body? It's so difficult. The person who has the easy, easy, easy life is usually just having sort of a treat to get away from hard lifetimes or else they haven't been in the body. An old soul, he said, is one who's been in the body many, many, many times. We were all created in the beginning, all races, everyone in the very beginning. So some of us have stopped a little while. But he said that when you have learned enough of love,

you have to learn to love yourself. But Buddha talked about the Arhats. And he said that some of them have never seen the face of the Buddha, that although they could go on, I think to be a Bodhisattva, if I'm pronouncing it correctly, many of them chose to come back as Arhats to leaven the whole. And this is what Edward Casey said about Arcturus. Arcturus is simply the next port of call out of the solar system. And he said that he himself could have gone there 8000 years ago in Persia. He's the father of sin. But he chose to come back because the reading said he had this clairvoyant gift. He wanted to help humanity. And the other portion of his entity, his twin soul, was not yet ready for Arcturus. So he came back. But that's about the only mention that Arcturus is simply where we go from here. It will be a much more spiritual plane, as I understand. Well, you mean astrological symbol, Robertus in the back?

He spelled it out. Arcturus, A-R-C-T-U-R-U-S, the brightest star in our heavens. And he said that this is where we go, that sometimes a person will go to Arcturus and decide to come back to Earth. Now, the moment this is what Casey did once, and the moment he got back to Earth, he didn't know he was an old soul. And he said an old soul is a person who is, first of all, sincere. Sincerity is it. Many people have acting ability, writing ability, anything in the arts, or who had just sought a way out. They hear the sound of a different drummer. Sometimes that's it. And sometimes just a very ordinary person, maybe an Arcturian soul. He said once, the man who is so much a little boy, the woman who is so much a little girl. These are the old, old souls. They may be Arcturian souls. They may have, quote, graduated from Earth. Not that we know everything when we leave here. This is the difficulty. Someone like a Madame Levatsky, who just, you know, insulted people

apparently all over the place at times and other times loved them to death. Well, this was a very old soul. And she was dealing with the extremist thing within herself. I don't know that she was an Arcturian soul. But he said that you just cannot judge. We don't know about other people. We can't know where they are in soul development. The one thing he said was that selfishness was the unforgivable sin, but it's the sin of the whole world. But to break it down, he pinpointed spiritual vanity of self. But he said that when there is enough of love, if the soul, if it so chooses, it may return to Earth and life will be difficult if they return to Earth because they're more sensitive for when they are, it may go on to Arcturus. OK. Yes. Well, yes.

What time period did the Greeks come, Wally? She's an authority on Egypt. She should be up here. What time period?

Oh, that's very late. That's Cleopatra's. No. Hermes, according to Cayce, was Nubian.

He was black. He came from the land of Nubia. He is the legendary black Christ, as I understand it well. Was it 12,500 years ago? Let's say Cayce was an exile nine years. So it would be 12,000, subtract nine from 500, 491 years ago. So that would not be at the time of those, at least what he called them, H-E-R-M-E-S. Now, sometimes he gave symbolic names. When he gave Hewlin Cayce Cayce, who was the pharaoh who injected Edgar Cayce, they had trauma from Atlantis. He gave him about ten names. And I tried to pronounce one the other night, Ararat. All of this is A-R-A-R-double-A-R-A-R-T, you pronounce them. And so then he gave him several other names. Apparently this is what was done in Egypt, one way or another. Yes, you can ask on anything, not just Egypt. Reincarnation is my strong point. Yes, not Mount Etna. He said it would begin with Mount Etna. She asked about, you're talking about the Earth change. And then within 90 days after that.

The earthquake, the California earthquake. Yes, my question is, volcanoes are really erupting because they are not telling the public about them.

Well, I have read about Mount Etna erupting, but I have not read about Mount Vesuvius or Mount Peli. And according to Cayce, remember, of course, you don't remember. But the San Francisco earthquake, as I was told in 1906, in fact, I read it. One of the speakers at college gave it several years ago. He said that Mount Vesuvius erupted exactly three months before San Francisco's great earthquake. Now, I'm sure that Cayce didn't have that information at hand. And yet he says that either Mount Vesuvius will have a tremendous eruption, which I think we would have to hear about, or else Mount Peli will have a tremendous eruption. The Earth currents apparently will not hit California for about 90 days. So you have three months to get out of California if you don't want to stay. Well, very briefly on the radio. Yes, it's been erupting a long time. September 16th. And they said it had a continuous eruption. But it has for a long time.

All right. Now, but it's been quite a while since she, now she's starting now. Also Kilauea and Kilauea Inkey in Hawaii. And three other volcanoes. On the Big Island over there, which have not erupted for hundreds of years. Yes. Have been erupting since last November. Yes. Yes. But they don't let us know these things. Now, my question was, how are we to know? I don't know. If we were to follow these things. I don't know. I think there's been so much publicity about Edgar Cayce. I was on television three times right here in L.A. and each time on the earthquake. I mean, the station was pretty mad at Edgar Cayce for having begun the whole thing. And then somebody came along and said it's going to happen April 15th. This Mrs. Steen, who dreamed about the earthquake. And apparently she was dreaming about her own physical body, which is symbolic. And she herself died at 28. She was dreaming about her own death, I think.

But nevertheless, Mount Vesuvius and Mount Tully have been named hundreds of times. And somebody will be there. I mean, how many Americans in Italy two years, two years ago? No, just in the spring when I was there. Somebody is going to know about the prophecies. I think we'll find out about Vesuvius and also about Tully. It may be that Vesuvius will erupt. There's a young scientist in the in the audience and Bill Kelly, an astrologer. And they were both speaking last night. It might be 10 years from now when the astrological things are right. I do believe that maybe it was possible it might have happened in April. But I hope that we find out about Mount Vesuvius and about Mount Tully. I think it'll be published. Too many people know about it. Yes, go ahead and let her come back to you. How did you ask one?

Yes, that's something I want. He just mentioned equinox. And so I decided I'd go every equinox. And next this time we went in the spring equinox. Next time I hope to go in the fall equinox and then there'll be two more. And maybe when I'm an old lady, I might see it here. Johnny Rivers is going, he says, and he's going to measure everything. And several of these other young people exactly where it would have hit the apex and where it would have thrown the light back. But I don't know. I can't answer you. I did ask a boss who's been there for 45 years. And he was the guide that was Marjorie's guide when she did hit water. And he was our guide. And he said, I can't remember, Jessica, that it ever hits the front, but it might. So I don't know. Yes.

No, not on the equinox. Just another side. Once Bill said that I think he was talking to one person who was called Hatshepsut, not Hatshepsut, who was a queen, but Hatshepsut something. Anyway, this individual he had by who was going to Egypt. He said you might go at the time of the equinox. But he didn't say which equinox. Yes. Oh, I see. Oh, this is Bill Kelly. And he's a sidereal astrologer. He's a very fine man. You have one or two more questions, because, yes, about the Aquarian age.

I think I told most his predictions were sketchy. But he said 1998 ushers in the new age. Also, the Christ will be seen in the heavens. There will be a short war of Armageddon. Only a little of it will be on Earth. I don't understand it. He says they will war in the heavens. The souls who are trying to enter as well as on Earth be very sure will not be another atomic war. But he said. What we talk about is the Aquarian age will be the new age. For one thing, he said that everyone who's lonely. He said that, you know, do not commit suicide now. Do not get discouraged. Now, this is a time of testing for the net. When you come back, you will automatically be drawn to your, quote, twin. So he says other portion of your entity. You'll have a happy marriage. You'll have a definite work to do, because if you make it now, the people, especially you would have been in the temples and it's a long story, you'll be drawn back at that time to bring in the brotherhood of man.

But in a very happy life, some of us are going through a great deal of testing.

At this time, we'll have a ten minute intermission and then we'll come back and have a drawing for the door prize, and then Jessica will show the slides and narrate these wonderful slides that she has. If you don't hear anything that we say, Shari and I, please tell us. Can everyone hear us now? Yeah, well, of course, this is the beginning of the pyramid, some of these are professional slides and some are those that we took ourselves, and of course, this is a professional slide. You see the Sphinx in the in the foreground and the Great Pyramid in the back and the other pyramid, the second pyramid. I'm pressing it, Lee, but nothing happens. Oh, nothing happens.

Oh, should I roll it around? Do it automatically. Why don't you just do that? Instead of just go forward and back and back. All right. This is right across the street. Like this was taken from the balcony of my hotel, which is the MENA, M-E-N-A house. And this is the view right across the street. And look how much it looks like California. In fact, these are the gardens at the MENA house. And as I said, we could see the Great Pyramid in the distance. This is another slide. This is a little $24 camera. Incidentally, if anyone wants to go to Egypt and doesn't have much money, do what I did. I borrowed the money from KLM and I just have to pay them back $30 a month. I had a wonderful trip. So it's very easy to do. Fantastic food and a free day, two free days in Holland. You'll love it. But this is just near the pyramids, the scenery there.

Now, this is some of these are mixed up a little like worked all afternoon, but the last moment somehow some of these extras got in. This is Rameses the second. And this is a professional flight. It was taken at Memphis. Memphis is the place where Rameses was at the time that Moses was ejected. He took his people and left. And this is if we show Amenhotep in a little bit. Just note how much they look alike, even though some of these statues are stylized. All right. This is also at Memphis. It's just one of their, quote, good luck charms. The guy told us some of you may know more about it. This I don't know much about. This is a huge statue of Rameses the second or Rameses the second. He always had himself depicted as just being a giant of a man, but he wasn't. He believed in reincarnation. He believed that he was Amon Ra. I believe he was, too. He said that he had dreams about this. And I think that's another view on the way to Memphis right outside.

Memphis is 10 miles or 12 miles from Cairo. And here I am standing. And this was in April. It was like a summer day. And both Joe Grant and the the Arab who was with him, they had a very good feeling about being at Memphis. They were unhappy. They both got sick for no reason. And I tried to get them to stand in front of the statue of Rameses the second be photographed and they wouldn't. And so I did. As you can see, this is not a professional slide. Here's another one that we took. And this is in one of the tombs at Memphis. It's a wall painting. And the colors are just as vivid today as they were four thousand years ago. In fact, someone should go there and write a book just on the paintings in the tombs. This is the River Nile. The River Nile, of course, Edgar Cayce said was very close to the pyramids at the time that they were built, as I said, I believe it was supposed to be less than a mile. It's quite a ways now.

This, I think it's rather mixed up. Do you recognize this, Shari? I don't recognize this. I'm sorry. This is one that I that I must have mixed up this afternoon. I think it's on the way to Karnak, but I'm not sure. Oh, she says it's the beginning of the Abbot Symbol Dam. This is so we'll talk about that suit in a little bit. This is her. It's like Cleopatra's needle. This is her obelisk. And when her stepson, who was Thutmose III, who I think is the former incarnation of Moses, in case he says so, when he wanted to destroy everything she had, he had a huge wall built around this. And so actually kept the engravings, the carvings just as clear as if it were done 20 years ago. Oh, where is this, Geraldine? Does anybody here know that this one, I think that this is at Hatshepsut's Temple, I think it's the entrance there. Oh, no, Shari tells me this is at Luxor. Uh huh, I see. This is one of the statues, again, in the same area.

And I don't have my notes on this particular one. It's one of these huge things. It's outside. It looks just as it did. This, I know, this is the statue of Hathor. And Hathor, Hatshepsut had a home, a garden and a temple for Hathor.

She said all the way to the land of Punt, she sent a lot of boats there to bring back beautiful trees and so on. And this is what remains of the statue of Hathor. This is at Hatshepsut's Temple. This is another wall painting. This is one of our own. We took this down in the, I believe, in the tomb of Seti I. And Seti I would have been the foster father of Moses, one who reared him actually.

This is interesting. This was on the way to Karnath. And we stopped here. And these little children came out and they begged, let's say, in English for 15 cents. That little girl in red next to the last one, she begged and begged for 15 cents. And I said, why just this much? It was Egyptian money, of course. And she said, because tomorrow I have an examination. And if I have 15 cents, my teacher will pass me. This is one of the statues that we have in Karnath, and it's one that the face has been obliterated. But it looks exactly like this. We were there on a day that was about the same temperature as today. And they say you should be there by moonlight. This is our guide. But he is much younger than he looks. At least he told us he was 27. And he is working for his, I believe it's his master's in archaeology. He's the one who believes in reincarnation. This I took myself. And there's the Nile in the back. And we rode in that little carriage.

All the way to Karnath. That was one of the happiest days of my life. This is Karnath. It's such a, I don't know, when you walk in, you just feel that you've been here forever, that you know this, you just know this whole place. It's so, it's so beautiful. It is so tremendous. And what it must have been when it was when it was built many years ago, thousands of years ago. This is another view of Karnath. This is the entrance to Karnath. One of the entrances, I believe. And I believe this is one of our slides that was taken outside. We were there on a Sunday afternoon. Now, this is not Karnath at all. You know, say it for me, somebody. The worship of Mohammed. Almost everyone in Cairo was named Ah Mohammed or something of that nature. And this is in their own temple. It's the only slide that came out. We took it on it. On another Sunday afternoon, they have such they have a thousand lights in one of their places of worship, a mosque.

I couldn't think of it. This is my dad picture of the Nile. And that was taken about 10 o'clock in the morning. Here is another tomb, a tomb of Seti. This is, again, Seti the first. And I have had just this little $24 camera and you can't see the face, but it was supposed to have been. A statue of Seti the first himself. This is where is this symbol? It must have gotten mixed in. This is a symbol which, Shara, you know about that. It doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't. What happened with that was simple. Uh huh. Well, I think that they raised. Does anybody know that we're trying to raise several million dollars to preserve at least part of this, but the answer is where they built the dam to cover. Yes, the dam is covered a lot. Some of these. That was the temple. Well, this is the museum. It's in backwards. But this is starting the Egyptian Museum. Now, in fact, you could spend a month in the Egyptian Museum and you couldn't see everything.

Yeah. Honey, say it so they can hear you. Can you come over here and tell them? This is Shari. She is a teacher and she was born in Damascus. She's going to tell you. I think this is the this is one of the ruins that the people in India were trying to buy and have moved over here.

Like they moved the London Bridge to Lake Havasu because they were building a dam here. This great dam that was going to help the farmers and along the Nile. And if this dam went in, this would all be covered over and they wanted to preserve it. And they have the Great Arabian Nights pageant in India. Every year. So they wanted to move it there. And the last I heard they were bidding on it. But what happened from there on? I don't know. Of course, this is not in the Egyptian Museum. I just got me. I don't know how my slides got mixed up this afternoon. This is Ramesses the second. And again, he has himself so huge. And once again, you will see how much he looks like I'm in hotel there. This is also, I believe, Abu Simbel. And she just told you. Part of the story on that. This I don't know. It's one of the slides that we took and I think we took it inside of a tomb. And whatever it is, it didn't come out too well.

Now, this is Karnak. And you can see how huge it is by the size of the people who are standing there. These columns are just tremendous. These are some of the guides that are in front of the Sphinx every day. In fact, when you go to Egypt, just take a lot of coins with you. They love American money. They much rather have it than Egyptian money. But it's really against the law to take. You give up all your American money when you enter. But they do. They just beg you every moment for something. I mean, you just can't refuse them. At least I couldn't. This is inside the Great Pyramid. It's looking down into the king's chamber. It's upside down, she says. But anyway, I don't think it makes much difference. You can get the idea. I believe this is another one of Abu Simbel. These of Abu Simbel are professional. And I must have mixed them in somehow. Only this I can tell you about. This is the Sphinx at night. And they have this, what do they call it?

Shari Sound? Yes, they have this festival every night but Monday night. And one night it is in French. And this tremendous music in the background, the next night it's in English. So the three of us went when it was in French. And I did take one, two years of French in high school. But I understood just about every word. And the next night I heard it in English. And I already knew it was one of those strange things. But it is so beautiful when the lights go on the Sphinx. Sometimes it looks like a woman. Casey said it's actually the face of Ra. But sometimes it looks so different when they change the lights. It's so beautiful. You sit at the Hilton coffee shop. We sat on the balcony there and look at this beautiful thing. This is again, you see, here's water here. And it's just about a half a mile from the pyramids. This is one of our slides. It's just the surrounding country. Again, it's so much like California.

You feel that you're down at Riverside or someplace like that. This again is a pyramid. A great pyramid of Jesus. Again, there are three pyramids there. I think the one in the foreground is the Pyramid of Understanding, Casey called it.

And there it is again. You see, it's sized by the size of the people. Barbara, you'll have to come and help me.

I guess this one, is it over with? It's over. We're sporting. Casey said that the original Pyramid of Understanding was built, was never used as a tomb, but it was used as a place of worship.

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And it was used as a temple. I don't know. I mean, I can't prove it. This is what Edgar Casey said. Cheops, C-H-E-O-P-S, is said by archaeologists to have built the Great Pyramid with his son who came later, Shefrin, I may be mispronouncing it. Turn it off. But Casey says it's 12,500 years old. This is one of my slides. It turned out rather well. It was early in the morning. I took it on the day that I left. There was a tremendous wind blowing. And across the way, it's a place where they housed horses and camels. Now, everyone told me, I mean, several people told me who had been to Egypt that I have 13 dogs and I adore animals and I just couldn't stand being there. They were cruel to animals. I never saw anyone treat their animals better than these people. Did there would be boys out there. They would even kiss the camels, some of them. It may have been unusual. Here we are back at Karnak. And this is another one of one, I believe.

I believe this is one of the obelisks of Amenhotep or Amenhotep III.

This is from the on the way to Karnak. Go up the Nile River, up to Hatshepsut's temple. And then you come back to Karnak. And this, the boat was moving. It was moving rather fast. And this is just a picture. This is at noontime when we came back to have lunch at the hotel and then to go to Karnak. This is from the Egyptian Museum. You can see the intricacy of their jewelry. Now, this was came out of the treasures of Tutankhamun. He had been called Tutankhamun and he changed the religion also. And it became Tutankhamun. Here he is. Now, this is not a large statue. This is, I believe, 12 inches high. I think it's called a shatabi. I'm probably mispronouncing some of these Egyptian words. But he had 360 of these in the tomb with him so that a servant could serve him every day.

A different one that you remember in ancient Egypt. They used to they used to bury the servants with them, but not at the time of Tutankhamun. This is a slide that Jerry had. It got mixed in from the Atlantean thing. Jerry made it up to be the time of Rata, but I think it looks much too modern. I think he got it. Actually, it would be much later than that. This is something we took ourselves and I believe this is the entrance again of Seti, the first tomb, which was a very beautiful one, but didn't come out too well. This is a musical instrument. This is in the museum, the Egyptian Museum. Shari says that this is the lute. Oh, she said this is what David would have played for Saul. Same type of instrument, the lute. And this is, again, a wall painting in one of the tombs. And see how vivid the colors are after all these centuries. This is the Book of the Dead. Jerry took it out because all of the Egyptian history, their religion is based

on the Book of the Dead, life after death. They believe that life went on in the material plane after death, although you'll see some of the things that Tutankhamun had in his tomb, which are amazing. This is Nefertiti. It's a famous, the famous slide that was in Germany that they still have it in Berlin. I think the people of Egypt are very bitter about it. But if Egypt has a goddess, a quoted goddess, it is Nefertiti. There are so many legends about her that I collected a great many of them from the people. He would go into a little gift shop and there would be a picture of Nefertiti on the airplane that we traveled on, which was the Egyptian plane. Nefertiti is all over. And several of the women told me, you know, her husband turned away from her after she bore him so many children and so forth. And they seem to have identified with her in some way or another. They also told me about a legend of her burial that after I, her father, her

foster father, her godfather became a pharaoh after Tutankhamun died, A.Y. it's called, that she was, they believed that she was carried in a gray and golden coffin down the hill and buried. No one really knows. They did not find her tomb at all. Now, this is on the back of the throne chair of little Tutankhamun. And look at how beautiful it is. All of this mother of pearl in the background. This is Tutankhamun himself on the left. And his little 12 year old bride on the right. Wally, if you're here, are you here, Wally? Will you say her name? Say it very loud. Oh, I can't say it. That's her name. Lovely name. This is, this is Amenhotep IV, or this is Akhenaten. Yes, the fourth. Amenhotep IV, and he changed his name. Well, we were talking about the pronunciation of names. We had three different archaeologists with us at different times. And each one, you know, they told me it's not Akhenaten. One said it's Akhenatone, and another one said it's Akhenaten, and so on.

So they really don't think they know. But it is the young pharaoh, or he was, I believe, most authorities now say maybe it had been in his forties when he died, who was the husband of Nefertiti, who when Egypt was attacked, he simply was inert. His generals wrote him from all over Egypt. The people are taking our country. He did absolutely nothing. But apparently before that, he would have been Thutmose III and took countries right and left. You can see that he may have what they say is elephantiasis. Although when I did a little research, Wally may know more about it than I. If you notice the prominence of the abdomen, I all at that period, this was what they did. So I can't be sure at all that he had elephantiasis. He did have a type of brain disease. Physicians believe which would relate to intermarriage. And what is the name of that, Wally, the brain disease? Yes. And it would have caused a slow blindness, a slow form of blindness.

And very definitely, I think he was paranoid. Even if you just take the history, it's given by the wall painting at the end of his life. This is little Tutankhamun. And this is apparently when he was quite young. And as I said before, I believe I believe that Tutankhamun was the son of Nefertiti and of Afanatan. It is believed by many archaeologists that he was the son of Ty and of Amenhotep III, but I believe otherwise. Take your choice. Here he is. Isn't he beautiful here? Here he is as a young man. And this is solid gold inlay. I think it's all gold here. I love this statuette. I stood in front of it, I guess, for 15 minutes. It's so beautiful. Now, Tutankhamun, apparently, he never really gave up the religion of Eitan because they found the symbology, but also the symbols of Eitan in his tomb, that is the sun with the long rays and hands. At the end of the rays. But this would be the ship of Isis, apparently.

They believe that at night or at some time that the soul could take the boat and go out into the heavens. And so this boat was put there so that Tutankhamun could travel through the heavenly spheres at night if he so desired. This is, does someone else recognize these? These are also boats, I believe. Now, all of this is in the British Museum, and these are tiny boats that were put in the tomb of Tutankhamun. And here we have, again, the throne chair itself. And the little queen and Tutankhamun would have occupied this beautiful throne chair. And you can see, look right up at the top of the chair, you will see the symbol of Eitan. Sometimes they spell it A-T-U-M, Eitan, and at other times A-T-E-N, Eitan. But you can see up at the top the symbol of the sun. And the rays coming down, and each ray ends with a hand. And in a sense, it's as if the hand of God touches the earth. Now, here are all the servants for Tutankhamun to have, that every day of the year,

there are 360, the Egyptians had 360 days at that time in the year. They added on five someplace. But this was a servant for every day of the year. Here is the jewelry. The precious jewels. And according to Edgar Cayce, some of you, if ever you want a very psychic stone, get the Laugh of Lingwa. It's really what you might call, as you write, are, the other name is Chrysocolla. And that, to the Egyptians, was the most precious stone of all. So some of this blue is what we would call Chrysocolla, and some of it is turquoise, we were told. But some of the stones are very precious indeed. And this is the jewelry they have at that time. Again, we have a photograph of the throne chair. And you see the faces of the calves, of the cows in front. And this would have been Hathor, would have represented Hathor. And this, I think, is the most beautiful of all. This is the one that I don't see any aura at all on this.

But when I opened the book at the library, this beautiful blue gold of several colors just went all the way around the room. Whoever this man was, this young man, remember, he must have died. And they think of tuberculosis. They do think he died a natural death. He must have been a very spiritual, very vile being. And this is, I think, Wally, do you know, or do you know, Shari, I think there are seven outer, no, six outer tombs of coverings for Tutankhamun. Do you know, Wally? I think altogether there are seven. This is one of the outer coverings. Imagine they got this in a room that was much smaller than this. All these things. Yes.

Wally says five, five of these beautiful cases. And this is another. I believe this also is Tutankhamun. This is a closed up. See how perfectly beautiful it is. And all of this is gold inlaid with precious jewels. And remember, this would have looked like him. Oh, I did forget to tell you that Khan, K-H-O-N-S, the god of the moon, was also supposed to be a former incarnation of Tutankhamun.

And they look amazingly alike. Although some of these were stylized, of course. They were made to look like a god. And here is one of the coverings. And you can see how huge it is because of the size of the people. It looks like gold. I've forgotten. I think that's mother of pearl. I'm not sure what the white is. I don't know what those tell me. This is also in the in the museum and it was found in the tomb of Tut. Or King Tut, as you might have realized. And this also is supposed to represent King Tut. It's in a glass enclosure. And right now, of course, they're at war. And they were already at war when we were there in April. And they had sacks of sand all over. And every one of these glass enclosures, they just have so much of sticker tape on to hold, you know, so it won't shatter that you can't see them too well right now. Here we have again the Nile and in the background, the pyramids. This would be the River Nile.

There's all this I took. This was from my balcony. That is how I saw every morning the Great Pyramid. You see how close it looks. Actually, it took me 30 minutes to walk up to it. I walked every morning at 530. I was on my way up there to see the sun come up. But you see how close it is. There's a fascination about that. I went inside and you have to crawl on your knees and, you know, then you walk a little ways and crawl again. But it's such a beautiful place. And there is one of my pictures of the Sphinx, probably taken early in the morning. I used to get there before all the guards got there. And I took this one, too. That's the face of the Sphinx. And that is at six o'clock in the morning when the sun is first coming up. Oh, there I am. I thought that awful picture was out. But if you see this, if you see this, look at this heavy man here. He has seven wives. And every morning when I would go up, he'd be the first one there and he'd pick me up bodily and put me on the camel.

So before I left, he said, he called me Jessica. He said, you know, I have only seven wives, but I'm asking you to be wife number eight. This is a side view of the Sphinx. This is one of ours. And you can see the great pyramid of understanding of the Pyramid of Giza in the background. And here's the Sphinx again. In fact, we tried to get it from every possible angle. This is at high noon, I believe. And yes, it was very hot right at high noon being right there. There's another view of it. And we tried to get the feet because if it's time for the young people or the whoever they are, the fifth root race, Edgar Cayce said that they can even dig right at the paw of the Sphinx. And he said it was even the third paw that you would start to dig. I believe it's the left paw. There's another. Yes. Sixth root. Are you sure? Yes. Well, he says it's a sixth root. It doesn't matter. And there is the same man. He has seven wives already.

And here we have again the Great Pyramid at night. On the left is the Sphinx and all of these lights. Some of them are colored, colored lights. Oh, it just is fantastic. You feel as if you're in another world. The pyramid is so beautiful at night. I guess I'm out again, Barbara. This is Barbara's projector. She was very kind. She didn't let me use it. I don't have one. Jerry is back at the door. Virginia Beach. And he usually runs the flights for us. That's all, huh? Don't I have another one? Oh, no, I just have those two. Do you want me to put them in for you? Oh, yeah. If it would take long to put the few in. They're just a few more. Barbara's going to just stick them in. I hope they're not upside down. I think one or two important ones I've got in there. That's the only thing.

If you have any question, I'll try to answer. We have Wally back here. This is Wally Albertson, and she's quite a student of Egypt.

Shari, you tell them the secular history of the pyramids. Yes, I told them why Edgar Cayce said. No, tell her. Go ahead. Shari's going to tell you what historians say about the pyramids. Go ahead, Daryl. It's been several years since I took this trip, and I don't know a great deal about it. I think Wally could probably tell you more about the history of the pyramids and why they were built. But the Egyptian rulers wanted to take as much as they could of their material wealth with them.

And they always made a tomb large enough to hold these. And the pyramids, as I understood, were built for that purpose. Could you add more to that, Wally? Give them more. She's telling them the history of the pyramids as we know it from history books.

And according to Cayce, all three pyramids were built for purposes of a temple for religious study.

Do you have anything to add?

Oh, Barbara tells me I didn't tell exactly what was supposed to be discovered.

If they find these. I mean, we're not going to go into the details. But the pyramids had their most important records, primarily the records of Atlanta. But about $60 million in gold. That is, everyone who lived at that time would have had a golden symbol, very much as we would call a shield. She says I'm talking too fast. Okay. There would have been about $60 million in gold of these little shields. For instance, your name would have been on the shield. We'll be able to translate it when we find it, whoever finds it. Also, the second pharaoh, the pharaoh of the second dynasty, would have been Hulan Kesi. And according to Edgar Kesi, there would be a statue there that is 60 foot long and is solid gold.

There would be jewels of that time, and there would be the story of the temples. That is the temple beautiful and the temple of sacrifice. But primarily, the prophecies that are written, I think they're written in the Egyptian language,

that is in hieroglyphics, a type of hieroglyphics, that were written by Hermes himself. Kesi called him Hermes. Later, maybe it's only legendary, maybe I think it's the same man. He was called Sothoth. Kesi called him Hermes. And I can't think of anything else except the records of Atlantis. The type of, in Atlantis, according to Edgar Kesi, that we were able to travel by air simply by putting a belt around us.

And, you know, in dreams, you often dream that you take a big breath and you go up over the trees. I'm sure all of us have had this kind of a dream. Well, Edgar Kesi said, That we were simply able to, we didn't go very high, but we could fly over the trees. If you wanted to go down, say, to the Broadway to do shopping, put on your little belt, you didn't have to bother with an automobile. And that they did have a type of solar plane that went even to other planets, all of this. Okay, there are only about four more slides here. We'll see what I left out. Oh, this is, I believe, at the Temple of Karnak. On this side of the wall. And again, you can see, oh, it's so tremendous. I just feel that I must have left some of the slides out. This is Karnak. Oh, and it's so beautiful. And this, this is not Karnak. I believe that this is Hatsetsu's temple. You see the mountains in the background, her palace and her temple.

She had a temple to Hathor. And incidentally, the story is that her father, her father decided that she should become a pharaoh because she was, at 16 years of age, quite an architect.

And Senmut, S-E-N-M-U-T, who was the architect appointed by her father to help her. This was one of the great, one of the greatest piece of architecture in all the world at that particular time.

I believe this is Abu's symbol, which is a professional slide. And naturally, I think this... This part is under the water now. And I guess that, no, we end up, I guess, Jerry inserted that slide. He liked it because it was in geographic, and he thought it was probably the way at the time of the first or second pharaoh. Okay, thank you, Barbara.

Jessica is such a wonderful person. I know that the first time I asked her to come out here, she graciously consented to come. We offered her a minimum donation. She would have come, she said, if there was no donation. She's so dedicated in bringing this information to people who are interested. And again, thank you, you wonderful people, for coming here this evening. Just a minute. Wouldn't it be fun when Jessica goes back in a year and a half, if we could go along and have her as our guide?

Well, this concludes our meeting, and we hope to see you at the next meeting in October. Thank you again. This is the beginning of the Space Convention at Giant Rock on Saturday, October 11th,

1969. ...gathering this morning. They cried like heck for years because it was too hot, these things, so we brought a little cold in for them.

Now, if you all get your thinking together, and project it out there, we'll shut this window off. All you people, to our home here on the desert, Giant Rock Airport,

we've been here for the past, 22 years. When we came out here, there wasn't only two houses within 20 miles.

So we've had a lot of fun developing this portion of the desert here. Ron has leased from the Bureau of Land Management, 20-year leases. We just recently renewed the lease for another 20 years. And when we came out here, we acquired four square miles, or 2,560 acres, through the government, under the Airports Act. So you're on public domain. This land belongs to the people. And any of you people that have been here year after year, you have my authority at any time if you see any destruction, or anybody acting out of order, to take action on your own and correct the condition. The Sheriff's Office is available here throughout the day and night. I want to ask, graciously ask, all sand buggies and motorcycles,

do not run up and down this road during the course of the program. You can run those things all over the other side of the runway, and there's trails and hills to climb out here but a hundred. And we would ask you to be courteous enough. Do not disrupt our program here, which is all sound, by rowing back and forth with motorcycles and sand buggies. If it gets so that conditions are too bad, we'll have the law take a hand.

The restaurant is open at 7 in the morning. They'll serve a standard breakfast until 10. And I managed to get a hold of some of the finest bacon that I've ever tasted, and that'll be on the breakfast menu tomorrow. With the program at 10 o'clock, this window on this end of the restaurant

is open for hamburgers, hot dogs, coffee, and other hot things. If you want cold drinks, they're over at the stand, the first stand, over there on that row of booths. Now down in that row of booths, between the booksellers, I think practically every book ever written on UFOs,

the operation booth there, the second booth, very shortly, we even have a man running for governor that's got a booth down there,

which is anybody's privilege as an American citizen to run for office. I happen to have known this man for many years, and he's Colonel Harry May. From the Air Force. And he has been involved in the saucer business since way back in about 53, when I run into him. He's had some real strange experiences, along with other people. I managed to do something else this year, had a lot of work for the women. We were buying commercial hamburger, which comes through machines, and is stamped into four-ounce hamburgers. And we didn't like them ourselves, and we don't like to sell anything we don't like ourselves. So we switched to our local supply, and the women made these hamburgers up that we sell all the time here. And they're a quarter pound, the best meat you ever tasted, in the form of a hamburger. And they'll be available out of this window, throughout the program till five o'clock. Now this road, coming up through here, must be kept open at all times.

Under state law, this is necessary. So nobody can double park or close that road off. It has to be open to two lanes of traffic at all times. The runway, under Federal Aviation Administration laws, must be kept clear, and people keep off of it. There's a federal fine for driving any kind of a vehicle on an airport runway. It don't matter whether it's out here, or down in Los Angeles, or anyplace else. If I file a charge against anybody, against their license number, they're going to have to pay about a $500 fine, at least. And so that runway is to be kept clear. If you see anybody crossing it, yell at them and tell them to get off of it.

Now these stands are brought in here by the Landers Homestead Fun Festival group.

They're out for exactly what they get for them. We don't make any profit on it. Now at the bottom of this stairway, leading up to this stand, are no trespassing signs. Anyone who climbs this staircase and goes up on that rock is going to be arrested for trespassing, day or night.

Code down here at the bottom of the stand, who wants to know if anybody has Otis Carr's address. If anybody has Otis Carr's address, somewhere around the Pittsburgh area, I know she would appreciate it if you'll come up and give her the address.

Over the past year, I've lost a couple of good friends. The bathroom died. He lived over here about four and a half miles. Truman and Elvira were married on this platform a number of years back. And Truman passed on. The Negro who was aboard a ship, and it was brought out in a big article in the national magazines, through hypnosis, also passed on. As did his dog a week later. However, with these losses, we've acquired something. We've acquired Dr. Hynek from the O-Force, the Astronomers' Convention in Denver,

where six top scientists sat on the platform, including Dr. Hynek, and brought out data on UFOs and declared they were true, they were real, and they have combined in the scientific field to combat both the Condon Report and the Air Force policy. Dr. MacDonald was there, Dr. Harder was there, Dr. Sprinkle from Wyoming University, Dr. Hynek, and David Saunders was on the platform also in the group.

He's the man who wrote the book UFOs, Yes! counterdicting the Condon Report. Also, UFOs from quite a ways back,

and he was on the Condon Committee, so he had the inside story. I wish Swede or somebody would go down and get that sand buggy off that runway down there, because he's just tearing the place up, and he knows he isn't supposed to be there. Tell Swede to get the wagon and go down there.

Weeks back, I thought it would be nice if we could have our greatest citizen today come out here and talk with us. He has an aunt and uncle that live in Joshua Tree, and he visits in the high desert here occasionally. And I'm referring to Neil Armstrong. So I sent him a letter inviting him out, where he could combine a visit with his relatives on the high desert here and our program here. Fortunately, the invitation was not only too late, but he was occupied and couldn't get here. So I want to read you the letter in reply. This is from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Manned Spacecraft Center of Houston, Texas, addressed to me. It says, Thank you for your recent letter inviting astronaut Neil Armstrong to attend the 16th annual Space Convention on October 11th and 12th. Mr. Armstrong appreciates this invitation very much, but I regret to advise that an acceptance is not possible due to overseas commitments for the month of October.

I understand right now he's in Paris. Pending completion of the world tour in which all three Apollo 11 astronauts will participate, they will join other members of the astronaut group involved in support assignments, including the Apollo 12, 13, and 14 flights. The demands of these flight support duties have necessitated a sharp curtailment of public appearances for all astronauts. Mr. Armstrong joins me in extending my best wishes. Sincerely, Thomas B. Stafford, Chief Astronaut Office. Well, he did get a nice reply from him, and I'm sure some of you people that saw the look magazine pictures in the special issue of the astronauts on the moon didn't fail to observe in one of them that there were two saucers in the sky behind them, very close, and there wasn't a solitary remark made under the picture about what those two objects were, and they were not hylations. They neither had atmosphere or windshields or any other type of glass to give off a hylation.

Now, I've received a number of things which to me are unverified but interesting. I don't know whether they're true or whether they're not true. Know that recently, out of Canada, there was an article published about a Russian general who defected and came over to the side of the West.

He claimed, through a reporter, that the Russians had already put two men on the moon. They had landed, and they had got out of the capsule, and as they walked away from it, something mechanical came up and grabbed one of them. And the other one got back into the capsule and radioed Moscow and said, What do I do? And they said, Blast off. And he's supposed to have come back by himself, and left the other Russian there in the arms of a robot. I have no way to verify that story, but it came out in public media and print. Now, there's also supposed to be a transcript which was received in Canada when Armstrong and Aldrin were out on the moon's surface. And as you know, you get delayed broadcasts on many government things, where there's a live show or live information. They have a delay system where they can hold back the information in order to correct it or take out a cuss word or something else. And if you've ever been on radio or TV,

you know how this works. But according to this report, which is taped, and the man who wrote this is in possession of it, there was some information came back while Armstrong and Aldrin were on the surface that was not released to the public. And this was what it said. I don't know which one of them said this, but one of them said, what was it? What the hell was it? That's all I want to know. Then there's a garbled period there where they couldn't understand what was happening. And then he says the babies are huge. Sir, they were enormous. What the hell's going on? What's the matter with you guys? They're there under the surface. Roger, we're here, all three of us, but we found some visitors. Yeah. They've been here for quite a while, judging from the installations. I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there. They're lined up in ranks on the far side of the crater edge. Let's get that orbit scanned and head home.

That's the end of the quote. This sounds almost like a verification of the Russian information. But neither one of these to date have been verified in any way. So we'll have to accept them as hearsay information at the moment. Now I have been severely criticized after some of these conventions because I kept stuffing people up here in front of you and letting everybody say something, and I didn't say enough myself. So I thought I'd start out here this morning to give the other people a time to get their selves organized by telling you I have found out

over the 20 years in a brief resume of incidents and so forth. Now, living on a public airport where we run through 400 to 600 people a week and people from all walks of life and all stations and positions and professions come in here, we get a lot of information without going looking for it. I had a NASA man in here recently that told me, verified some information I had before from Cape, not Cape Canaveral, up here Vandenberg.

They fired a missile up through the Van Allen belt and when it came down they trapped it in the air with a flying boxcar with a type of trapeze underneath it and recovered it before it fell in the ocean. They took it back to a lab to examine it and found out it weighed much less than when they fired it. To all appearances and measurements it was identical and yet it weighed less. And I understand they put this in a glass bell and evacuated the air out of it to create as near a space condition as they could for further analysis and that a few days later they discovered that both the glass bell and the table it was setting on also were losing weight. So this incident was brought to me a couple of years ago.

This friend from NASA that was in here the other day is associated with the Apollo program and he said that all of the Apollo capsules that came back to the moon also weighed less. Not only did they weigh less, although they appeared to be the same, but a metallurgical analysis of the density of the metal indicated that the metals had also lost density. Now this is quite a problem and I know they haven't figured it out yet. We hope that the condition that would cause metal to lose both weight and density will have beneficial effects on the astronauts who were in the capsule rather than detrimental effects. We have somebody that braved the wind. I hope he observes those twisters on the dry lake

when he comes across there. Back in 1951 I had a chance to have a comparative sighting,

not just a saucer up there against the sky, but a saucer flying about a half a mile away from and off to the left and a little behind a B-36 bomber. At the same altitude. And following behind that was an F-86 interceptor. Now here were three different types of propulsion at the same altitude and the same speed. The jet interceptor had a jet engine and was emitting a white vapor trail. The B-36 had 4360 corncob Pratt & Whitney reciprocating engines, which were also emitting vapor trails. And this big object, which made the B-36 look like a toy, wasn't emitting any vapor trail. So this observation I reported to the Air Force. This occurred on January 21st of 1951. I never got an answer from them. So in 1956 when we flew back there in Art Aho's tripacer on a lecture tour, I went to the Pentagon to get an answer. And they informed me that all this information was Wright-Patterson Field. So we called Wright-Patterson Field from the Air Force office in the Pentagon.

And they said this case hadn't been analyzed yet. And that was five years later. So it seems that some of the important sightings where you have comparative checks, are the ones that never were analyzed. Now we know the B-36 crew had also reported it, and the F-86 pilot would have had to have reported it, because it was out in front of him. It was also observed by a CAA flight test inspector in Yucca Valley, and by a North American aviation metallurgist eight miles north of me here at the time. So there were good witnesses. There was a good observation. And this case, set for five years according to them without analysis. Now we have never had any conflict with the Air Force. Our only disagreement with them is on the hush-hush policy, simply because we believe if anything is taking place in this country that affects the public at large, either now or in the future, that the public should be made aware of it.

It is not something that involves the security of the nation in regard to danger from other nations. This is our only conflict with policy, not with the Air Force. Now back in 1953, on August the 24th, when a saucer landed here, of the Adamski picture type, it wasn't expected. I did what anybody else would have done, under the circumstances, and I talked with a man who spoke to me for about 20 minutes while he escorted me around inside the ship. Now since then there have been, I would say, at least a thousand landings, contacts, and people getting burned, running up when they're not invited by the static field around the ship, in the papers and magazines all over the world. You read these accounts. This instance really didn't dawn on me as something unusual until a few days later. When something out of the ordinary occurs, you don't really, it don't penetrate. You don't grasp the significance of a very unusual incident until later.

So I didn't begin to analyze it until days later. But the whole occurrence was definitely known to the government. They came out here in talking with government officials. They didn't say, they didn't act it down on radar, but they, by implication, admitted it. And the Air Force has known the story of these UFOs, their origin, their purpose, and the fact that they are friendly since way back in the 1950s. Now I had the fortune or misfortune to be involved in that incident. I consider it fortunate from my point of view in many respects, but it has brought me a number of snide remarks from people who don't believe it. Nevertheless, it changed my whole life from that point on, because I didn't get the second jar until the boys out there orbiting the moon took a picture of the Earth. And this awakened your concept of the fact that when you look at that little ball of blue out there on which we live, you know it's got railroads thousands of miles long

and oceans thousands of miles across. You know everything that's here. You can see the far horizons that look like it goes forever. But when you look back at that little ball that's your home, it does something to your thinking. And this concept of understanding should certainly lead us to an understanding of each other, all space people, on this little ball in space. This is our home and our ship and our capsule. And we should certainly start doing something about cleaning it up, maintaining some order, stopping the killings and the wars, and bring some semblance of intelligence out of this civilization. Before it destroys itself. To me, this picture of the Earth from the moon should have opened even the most ignorant person's understanding. Now, as this UFO thing has come down through the years, I was on the investigation of these things before the Air Force established their security policy. And like I say, they talked openly with me then.

They knew the score. They knew the ships were real. They knew they were peopled by intelligent beings far beyond our intelligence. And they have actually never made any outright denial that these spaceships exist. But they did call them unidentified flying objects. And even that wasn't right because they were already identified. They knew what they were. The Air Force has continued to hide from the public the information it had then simply by a continuous investigation in which every few years they change the leader of the project, put somebody else in charge that doesn't know anything about it, and continue to make the public think that they can't give you any answers because they haven't got any. And this isn't true. They had the answers way back before they established the security. And I've said so down through the years. I've published it in a paper we print, the corporation paper. And I have photographs taken by motion picture camera

flying back from the east coast in 1956 of a saucer under us which is undeniable. And yet they tried to explain it away. Now this whole subject over the years has become to me a hobby. I don't mention flying saucers or UFOs unless somebody else brings the subject up. But as you know, most of you who have a hobby, you devote the finest of everything you have to it in developing whatever you're making or in applying yourself to whatever your hobby calls for. So I have intensively registered a lot of things over the years simply because I have people from the Goldstone Tracking Center come in here and talk to me. That's only 65 miles over here from different branches of science come in and talk. They each tell me a part of a story, their part of a story. And when you sit here and five or six or a hundred or a thousand people bring you in little parts of a story, from one focal point, you can begin to put the pieces together.

And they make quite a picture. So this is the advantage I've had of being on a public place. Many other people who have had experiences with these ships who live in private homes, the investigators like MacDonald and Hynek and the other boys who had to go and examine something at a distance, after it was over. So through this advantage of not only being in on the investigation prior to the security, but living on a public place where the information was brought to me, I have had so much indisputable proof over the years of things beyond the imagination of any human that are actually taking place that we are in a real condition a real state of change. This wind and this cold I predicted the day the Chinese fired their atmospheric bomb test. And our science knows this. Following every bomb test, according to how far away it is, the atmosphere moves from west to east, east around this hemisphere. And we had timed enough of those bomb tests

so we knew from the distance when the cold would arrive and the winds and the atmospheric disturbance that follows all bomb tests in the atmosphere. So we knew this was coming. We were hoping it wouldn't be too bad at this latitude because these conditions gradually spiral around the earth and end up at the north magnetic pole. Now I might add another piece of information here that has been given recently. The ocean science that have examined conditions over the last 20 years relative to germicides, pesticides, contaminated food, our rivers and lakes and oceans, and the atmosphere. The one big problem facing our transportation industry today in the jet air traffic field is the fact that over the last 20 years they have burned up 4% of the earth's oxygen supply between the automobiles and the jet aircraft. And now it is depleting faster than the algae and the oceans and the vegetation can replace it. This is what emphysema is, a lack of oxygen.

Oxygen is the treatment they give when you get it. One jet engine on one four-engine airliner flying from Los Angeles to New York will burn up more oxygen than one adult human will breathe in a lifetime. The jet aircraft over the past 20 years have burned more oxygen in 20 years than all of humanity has breathed throughout history. And now we are making bigger and better engines and bigger and better jets and more and more of them. So this is one of the crises being faced today by the science fields in pollution. Not only do these gulping monsters burn the oxygen up but they emit hydrocarbon pollutants wherever they go that fall down eventually and come down to the surface. They are not only consuming our oxygen we breathe but they are goofing up everything else that is there. Now this is a sad thing because in our progress in transportation we, all of you who have flown jet, know it's a wonderful way to go someplace fast.

We went up to Denver in two hours and fifty minutes about six weeks ago and it takes about three eight hour days to drive it. And besides you don't have that terrific heat in the summer, you're air-conditioned, all the comforts of the world, good food aboard and so forth. And it's a sad thing that we have developed our methods of transportation along lines

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that create a condition that's adverse to our living. But this is the way it is. Our science knows how to make electromagnetic and electrostatic ships both for ground transportation and air transportation. And I have maintained that the advanced Air Force research and advanced Navy research have been flying anti-gravity, electromagnetic, electrostatic ships since the middle 1950s as test vehicles. Some connections in my past, because I was in the flight test business for sixteen years, that are still around in the game. And through some of these friends I get these little tidbits of information which I put together. Our science in two years could replace every automobile that runs by internal combustion. And I don't mean steam. But the big factor facing us again is the fact that we've built a civilization that is dependent upon money. Not only as a medium of exchange, but as a commodity to make more money on. Had it remained a medium of exchange,

it wouldn't have been affected by the changes that come along. But when it became a commodity to make interest on, and the more you had of it, the more you could make on it, then it lost its value as a medium of exchange. So this monstrous, mammonistic economy we've built today is the barrier that stands between us and clean air, clean water, anti-gravity travel, with no internal combustion, and cars that could go at each other full bore and miss each other because the fields repel each other. There would be no tires or wheels or moving parts on them. And there would be no purpose in paving highways because you wouldn't touch the ground anyway. Of course, this would also eliminate the need for gas stations and oil companies and tire companies and axles and radiators and generators and all the other parts of our internal combustion engine equipment. So the reason this great propulsion system is withheld is simply because our economy today

has become the power monster of the world. Those who have the mostest have the greatest power. And these people in authority who have that power are not going to give it up for a system that would make them equal to everyone else, even if it has to kill the civilization off to hang on to it. Now Washington knows this. The economic advisors to the President know this. And the top Air Force and scientific people in our government know they could produce these electrostatic magnetic cars at any time they want to produce them. But when you do, you're going to eliminate highway departments, paving contractors, gasoline stations, oil companies, and all the rest of it. So this is the sad thing that we face today. A planet that's polluting itself out of existence in order to hang on to that old dirty paper stuff. And the money system itself has reached a point where the economic people are in great alarm simply because the dollar used to represent a dollar,

a hundred cents in value, and it was backed by gold. And then as the interest started eating up the monster, the money became backed by silver, and the gold standard went out. Then as the silver fell in value over the years, they pulled it out behind the paper, took all the silver out behind the paper, and you had a paper money system with nothing behind it. It isn't redeemable in anything. If you look at your bills, they used to say that this was redeemable in silver or gold under the system. And there isn't a solitary paper bill in your pocket today that you can go down and turn into the government for potatoes or cornmeal. There is nothing back of it. It's a Federal Reserve note, and you're carrying the national debt of over $300 billion around in your pocket. The more you've got of it, the more you owe of the debt. That's what it amounts to. So when the paper dollar, without anything back of it, got to the point where it was devaluing,

they came up with credit cards, which have nothing back of them, except the fact that you may be working, and you may be drawing so much a month, and they give you a little piece of paper to say that you're responsible to buy something with this other piece of paper. Now, this system got to the point where they weren't making enough interest or carrying charges, so they evolved the system where you could go down and buy a room full of furniture and start paying for it 90 days later. You didn't even have to pay anything down. Well, of course, the minute you signed the contract at the store, you created money. That contract became money to the people who sold you the merchandise. It was just as legal and as legitimate as that hunk of paper they called a credit card, or the one they called a dollar bill. So now we've arrived at a time where everybody can create their own money simply by signing their name on a contract.

And that period of 90 days, by the way, you're not getting by with that for free. They're collecting the interest and carrying charge on that and adding it on to your contract when it starts. So don't think you're getting something from nothing. Not out of Mammon's Monster. It'll bleed you dry. So this economic factor is the one reason that authority, either the Air Force or the administration or any other branch of government, cannot come out and make a flat statement that alien craft are in our skies from other places with people aboard them that are smarter than we are. For the simple reason that if they ever made such a statement publicly, they couldn't retract it. And the minute the public ask what kind of power do they use, the government will have to say they use an electrostatic magnetic power that requires no fuel. What do you think would happen to this big golden calf overnight that had become a paper calf?

It would collapse, worldwide. There wouldn't be a depression, there just wouldn't be any money. Then you people sitting down there in your electric homes in L.A. would suddenly discover the juice went off. No electricity. Those guys up at Boulder Dam weren't going to get paid so they walked out. Nobody would work anywhere for the simple reason that they wouldn't be able to get paid for working. So everybody would go home. And in a matter of a few weeks you'd find the cupboards running out of canned goods and the markets were running out of supplies because there was nobody delivering anything. There was nobody canning anything. This is the kind of chaos that the Air Force and the administration sees if they make a public statement. They in their position as government responsible for the order and upkeep of this nation and the world, in their position they're right in withholding information. Simply because

they cannot take a chance on any further collapse of the economic security of the nation. And this is exactly what would happen when I've described to you. So when we condemn someone for withholding information, let's look at their point of view and realize that from their point of view they have no other choice. If they were to officially announce electrostatic magnetic propulsion, the economy would collapse overnight. The stock market would go broke. And not only would those who hold stocks suffer, but indirectly as I've explained to you, everybody in a matter of weeks or months would be in a total state of survival of the fittest. And you wouldn't be able to buy a can of beans for a $100 bill because the guy that had the beans could eat them and he couldn't eat the $100 bill. So you would evolve into a state of chaos. Gang rule. And little squads of people running around taking anything anybody else had for survival.

Now this situation is coming to us again through the agricultural field. The top ecologists of the nation today say definitely, without a doubt, within five years we will not export one single grain of wheat abroad. And today we're supplying the world. For the simple reason that they're taking up the land for houses that'll grow wheat. They're building model cities. They're running freeways across grain ground. Eighth of a mile wide and 300 miles long. All ground that can't grow wheat anymore because they've slapped some cement on it. In Orange County alone last year they bulldozed out some 300,000 orange trees to build houses where the orange groves were. So every trend on this planet today is in a detrimental direction simply because those people who have the power to say yes or no can't say no to that mammonistic monster. It's the rule. It's the ruler. And it runs everything. So all of these conditions facing us from fish dying in the ocean.

Three states on the Atlantic coast have dead fish up and down the beaches for 250 miles that have drifted in from pollutants that have gone into the ocean. Oil slicks and everything else which don't come apart. They don't emulsify or be absorbed by the water. The wildlife. I just had a report from a doctor friend up north where they run an analysis on the wildlife near Sacramento in Northern California where they get rains and snows. All of the wildlife is loaded with Strontium-90 and bone cancer. One of my friends, I was down at her place overnight just recently and she said that the birds didn't come this year. It wasn't the birds that were always there didn't show. And of course through atomic research they've demonstrated in laboratories that increased radiation on any growing thing will cause it to grow larger. Out on Bikini soon after the atomic test the rats became three times their normal size. And we observed on the desert here this summer that most of the insects

that we normally saw are bigger than they ever were before. We've had thousands and thousands of percent increase in spiders and cobwebs and black widows.

Now all of this is a result of what happened way back there when they were conducting atmospheric bomb tests.

Our space friends up there know all of this. They have a record of everything we're doing down here. They look upon us and wonder how long we can stay stupid. Not individually stupid, but collectively stupid. Because we have the know-how to build a heaven on earth, an anti-gravity traffic, an unpolluted atmosphere, and unpolluted lakes and oceans. I know a lot of you saw that recent show on television that showed Lake Erie and the Great Lakes and the pollution of them. There's no more commercial fishing in those lakes. Even in this state, a bill was brought up before the assembly because DDT was poisoning everybody and everything. And they proved this for a fact, that it was true. But they pigeonholed the bill until 1971 to allow the chemical industry to sell all that's made up of the darn stuff. So you've got to suck it up for another couple of years before they can put the bill through because they don't want to break the company that makes it

or distributes it. So this is the adverse thing that's occurring where we're using poor judgment. And these people upstairs see it. They know what's happening. That's why they're here. They're concerned for us. They see a civilization going down in the gutter instead of climbing up to the skies. Now, the tremendous expense of our moon flights has put a burden on everybody. Your 10% surtax not only hits you when you pay income tax, but it hits you through your phone bill and through your public utilities. Some of them plastered their surtax onto the consumers and listed it on your bill when you get it. So you're paying your 10% and their 10% too. And apparently this must be legal or they wouldn't be doing it. So how long is the little guy down at the bottom going to be able to foot the bill for our scientists to play with bombs in Alaska and Vegas, shake buildings and crack things and damage things and wreck the atmosphere and everybody's nerves on top of it?

Sooner or later they're going to have to reach a point, and I think it's coming very, very soon, where one of the underground tests is going to cause the loss of thousands of lives, the collapse of some major cities through earth tremors. And I don't think it's very far away. So they have to commit an act like this before they realize they've gone too far. That's why they signed the Atmospheric Test Ban Agreement because every time the atomic scientists met they lowered the critical rate for people. It became lower and lower. They didn't realize until after they had exceeded it already that it was lower than they figured it was. There are five points in the United States today that exceed the critical radiation level. And the Atomic Energy Commission knows and admitted that 58,000 children are going to die in Utah and probably many of them dead now because this was a fallout about five years ago. 58,000 children that got an excess or overcritical dose of radiation

from one of the Vegas atmospheric bomb tests. There's a recent article out in the National Enquirer which a number of doctors stated that over 400,000 children are dying every year as a result of radiation from the present bomb test. Now according to the Atomic Energy Commission the safest place you can live to avoid fallout is the driest areas on the continent. And like I say this doctor friend up north where they have lots of rain and snow said all of the wildlife is loaded and dying of bone cancer. So we have three and a half inches of rain annually here. That's our average over the last 30 years. This year we haven't had only a half inch since January. And that's why the road's in such terrible shape because there's been no water on it to make a bottom in it. So we consider ourselves fortunate in being out here where we don't get much rain and snow. We know every time we talk with friends or communicate with people who live in the rainy areas

that every time it rains they got more bursitis and bone aches and so forth. Now when a government knows these conditions and permits them to continue they're not fulfilling the obligation they were put in office for. This is a sad thing but actually the people in authority are not the experts in the field. They are the ones who decide whether somebody does or doesn't but they don't know the conditions. The scientists who know the conditions are not in authority. And ultimately if this planet survives it's going to be necessary to have top scientific people and top political authority or there will be no survival because the politicians aren't educated to know scientific know-how. Now in the course of going over the years lecturing around the country I've done 348 radio and television shows and some 250 something lectures I've observed one thing among the people where I would have a thousand seat hall and it was full

I had a good thousand people to question. So I would ask the audience how many of you people have seen flying saucers or UFOs? And the average out of a thousand was a hundred. Out of the hundred I would say how many of you reported to the Air Force? And I was lucky if I got one hand up out of the hundred. In an occasion or two I did get two hands out of the hundred. So in an Air Force investigation they're actually conducting their investigation which is a front as I said before it isn't necessary they already know. They're conducting their investigation to the public on two percent of the sightings or less than two percent. And then when they submitted this contract to the University of Colorado under Dr. Condon, bless his soul, he conducted his investigation on less than two percent of the two percent that the Air Force had. So out comes this great big man with a mammoth book, the report of the Condon Committee

at University of Colorado. It'll bore you to death to read it but nevertheless it's another cover-up to try to keep from telling the people what the government already knows. Now sooner or later they're going to have to say something and I hope it's sooner because the sooner we make the change from reciprocating in turbine gas jet propulsion and gasoline the sooner we're going to start on the road to survival. We don't have to worry about H-bombs getting us. We got to worry about our oxygen running out. And you can lay around and gasp like some of these poor people with emphysema if you've ever seen one of them. That's what Truman Bethram had. And he nearly died a dozen times with it before he finally died. I wish one of the boys would go down on the dry lake

and tell those motorcycles to head out in the boondocks somewhere they're crossing the runway. Anyway, here we are. Everybody says, what can I do about it? Well, really, individually you can't do anything about it. And you should have found out by now that voting for the other party isn't going to solve the problems of the country. Regardless of which party. The other party gets in power. Simply because, as I said before, the politicians aren't running the show. They're only up there to front for the military-industrial complex where the money is. Now, we can't condemn them either because they're in the system and they're doing what they have to do to survive in the system. There's only one answer that I can see at present. To our problems. Our racial problems. Our demonstration problems. Our poor people's problems. And all the other problems. And that is to do it and do it with order. Reveal it and explain it intelligently.

And start on a system that will correct the conditions instead of priming the pump and jamming some more billions into welfare and soaking some more out into space to keep the industries going and building ABMs which are absolutely useless and all of these necessary things under an economic structure which has already collapsed. The thing to do on the part of any intelligence in authority is to admit the thing is wrong. We've eaten up our economic structure and start something from scratch with some order and intelligence. Now of course some people think that this will be done by the United Nations or a one world government. Well the United Nations is more disunited than anything else. And they are not capable of running themselves let alone a world. Neither has any administration in a city ever shown how to run a city right yet. So let's not be fooling ourselves and thinking some organization of humans is going to get together with computers

and Big Brother us out of this thing because it just won't happen. That too will fail. The only answer is to work with the people upstairs who know the score they see the whole picture they know our problems and they'll offer to help if we just have the guts to follow up. They won't do it for us but they'll assist us. And they have already assisted in many ways. Now this is the only out. Our only survival is dependent upon somebody more intelligent than we are. Because you can see down through the years we haven't progressed up we've progressed down. Now we as a people gathered here today at a UFO convention which is relative to those people up there whether they show a ship over here or not don't mean a thing or whether you ever saw one or not doesn't matter. Or whether you ever went aboard one or talked to the people doesn't make a darn bit of difference. The important thing is that everybody down here in this mess we've generated over the generations past

is that we get together and we dedicate ourselves to correcting a condition because they can't do it for us. They're not down here. We have to get together in some form of organization. We can do it through theocracy through a religious approach. It's the only one that has any moral basis because certainly if you do it on a materialistic approach the first thing you know you're going to have division in your numbers. You're going to have everybody wanting to be the big shot and everybody telling stories about each other. And you won't have an organization. Now to me the only way that we are capable as people on this earth of getting something done is to organize under God in the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule and treat each other right look upon each other with respect and dedicate ourselves to correcting everything in our area. And if the world would do this cut out the old hates cut out the old racists cut out all the worry

about the younger generation going sour. Don't worry about the darn marijuana. When they get enough of it they'll get away from it or get on something stronger but it's their life they're wrecking. So don't worry about these things. That's the way life is set up so that you have a choice between two courses. And when you burn your fingers over here you get away from the darn thing. So I'm not worried about the younger generation going to pot which is actually what they're smoking but the fact that they look upon the generation ahead of them through a gap which doesn't exist. This gap is only a matter of words somebody created. There's no gap between the older generation and the younger generation. I talked to a group of fellas and girls in here recently and they said well I sounded like a square. Well all I can say is us squares brought us from the horse and buggy in our generation to men on the moon. Now if they can do as well in their generation

then I will have the respect for them after they've done it. But in one generation we came from the horse and buggy radio telegraph you name it. television air travel and men in orbit around the earth. In one generation us squares did more than all the other generations down through history. So the young people can't look upon us if they follow the facts. They can only be thankful they've got the TV we made and they've got the push button kitchen that cooks their food and thank us for it not condemn us for it. So there really is no generation gap. They are just young yet and I was that way when I was young and you were the same way when you were young. All of you. You had little times in your lives where you thought you knew everything. And like I say you'll find out later you don't. And the older you get the more you realize it. Now one thing about it when you get up to the point where you figure maybe I got a year or six months

or fifteen years or five years or whatever it is and all I got to look forward to is a social security income in order to retire which isn't enough to have fun with or travel or do anything on you really don't have much of an outlook for the future as you grow older. And then when the inflation eats up the buck you have got and it won't buy much it's even worse. So I think before the squares go out before we all kick the bucket we ought to set this civilization straight on its feet and hand it to the kids in order so they can carry on with something that we gave them. Because we've done all the technological wonders now let's get back to the human point of view and hand a humanity to the kids that are coming up the grandkids and so forth that has something they can stand on a solid that has a background of reality not a paper front and give these kids coming up something as a last effort that has stability and reality and morality with it.

Because they're in a tough spot. We saw this generated we saw this invented we came up through it gradual. These kids being born today already have men in orbit and men on the moon. Their viewpoint at the start of their lives is different than ours. So they can't possibly see the things we saw or understand them. And it isn't a generation gap it's a scientific gap. Now back through the years that I observed ships in the skies out here it got so that it meant less and less every time I saw them. Now this is a condition that science is proving. Through what they call cell communication. Possibly some of you have read of some of the research that Cleve Baxter has done. It was done before Cleve but it wasn't done on a scientific basis. It was done as experiments. Cleve Baxter has proven with a polygraph hooked to a plant that you can burn the leaf of another plant in another room and the polygraph will react on the plant it's hooked up to.

And he also proved with living animal matter in the form of shrimps dropped in boiling water that the plant also reacts to the shock of animal cell structure. Now there is communication between all of us in the cell structure of our makeup. We have that common bond in the essence of intelligence that created us. This is the way that the thing between us we cannot get away from. We are all spirit in the flesh. And once we assume that we are going to create some kind of order in our own cell structure so that we can transmit intelligently to the other people who are also cell structure and also to that tree which can love you like anything and can assimilate love. This has been demonstrated many times in the growth of plants, by loving one and hating the other. The one that's loved will grow better and taller and more beautiful. So we have this common bond in cell structure communication between us. Now this is the thing we often call

the urge between two people we call sex. It also is that feeling that you have we call love for a child. Or any other kind of feeling you may have or emotion involves this emission of energy and communication between us. Now we all belong to each other. We mustn't forget that when a negro is born to negro parents he didn't have a damn thing to do with it. He was born a baby just like you were born a baby. And because his circumstances were worse off or he was born in a welfare area and never knew anything else he can't grow up understanding some other kind of a condition. The same as those of you who were born on a farm you go to the city and you run into all kinds of freak conditions. And the same way if you live in the city you go out on a farm. So when you open your understanding of others and look at things from their point of view like the astronauts looked back at us I think with this start in the UFO field of just demonstrating understanding

and love and affection for each other and reciprocating under the laws of the golden rule I can't understand how it can't spread. Because this UFO thing is now I think about 55% of the population believe in them and I would say that there are at least 11 million members or solid believers who work together throughout the United States and I think this is a potent force. Now Harry May down there he hopes all us UFO buffs go out and vote for him. Well, Harry's a good guy but so are a lot of other guys and I wouldn't commit myself one way or the other and I love the guy over the years because I saw some of the things he put up with some of the experiences he had and so forth. I have that common feeling for him which doesn't mean I've got to stamp an X behind his name. The thing that we have to remember is that we support each other in our life processes. The politics isn't important. It don't matter who you put in office

you're not going to change the system by electing people and you should have found that out long ago. So let's try to use this thing we have in common the self-communication between us. This is actually an emission and a reception of spiritual energy. And it has a moral fabric which you can't violate or tear down or render useless because it's eternal and it's electric. So this common bond between us and understanding is something that we should try to develop in ourselves. And I think we'll achieve more through UFO membership and belief than all of the politicians have achieved throughout history in bringing a heaven back to the earth. Now I said a few words here off and on about Harry May and I think I'm going to ask Harry to come up here and say a few words to you because he has a tremendous UFO background. He was involved in some very uncanny experiences. There's Harry down there at the booth and I know one instance where they had a group in LA

he could probably tell you more about it than I could but when they come out of this group meeting they found a brain a bloody brain laying in the front seat of their car. And this was done for some purpose that I never understood because I wasn't involved in it. And then I know when Harry was in North American aviation he got a telephone call at his desk one day some voice telling him they were going to run off with these kids or kidnap them or something. And when he tried to check for the switchboard he found out his office phone wasn't even plugged in at the switchboard. So no outside call could have come to him at his desk through that switchboard. Now Harry had some real weird things happen back there and I lost track of them for about five or six years and suddenly he popped up again quite a while before he got this political run he got this political idea and at least you got to admire the guy for believing he can get in somewhere and do some good.

This is the thing I think we should all have respect for each other for is the effort to do something. Once you attain the top of the mountain you've got no place to go but down. But as long as you keep pushing that top out in front of you and never quite getting there and struggling to go on that's the people that need help. They need admiration. Those who offer themselves and their dedication to others to make this life a better place to live and this planet a better place to be. So without any further ado I'm going to turn this over to Harry I should say Colonel Mays. I've known Harry since I think 52 or 53 back in there and I'd like to have him tell you before he asks you to vote for him I'd like to have him tell you some of the experiences he had back in the early days prior to when the Air Force put the hush on this business. Harry take over.

Thank you George and welcome ladies and gentlemen. It's quite a pleasure for me to get back up here on this stand again. It's been several years since I've been up here. However I've been up on this stand before several times. I've known George since practically the time he came out here and I've known and worked with most all of the rest of the people who have been involved in SOSA research from time again. I researched for the Air Force directly. I researched privately mostly throughout the many years. At least 25 years I've been involved in metaphysical research. During this period of time I have managed to become acquainted with many people that had experiences. And fortunately I have had several myself. Enough that gave me the idea that there was really something going on that needed some further investigation. The incident that George was talking about there a while ago that happened about 15 years ago

that was talking to us over the telephone

was supposed to have been from the planet just a minute I'll tell you a little bit more about it. She came to us and talked to us over the telephone in a period of two weeks I would say at least 75 times. Her name was Andrea. A-N-D-R-E-A. She was supposed to be the pilot's wife of a ship that had come here from outer space and landed here during a storm and crashed here on Earth. She was killed. And she has been getting into people's hair giving people trouble and trying to tell people how good they were how good she was rather and what she could do for them. She wanted me to be the pilot of the ship wanted to raise the ship up out of the mud where it was buried raise it up and correct some of the electrical problems that caused it to crash and fly her back to her home planet. And this was quite a challenge in a way and I thought this might be very interesting to see if there was any truth in it. And so for two solid weeks

we went around the clock 24 hours a day investigating and researching and talking to different people on this project. However, it was negative. It was negative from the word go. And all of those wonderful people here that worked with me in that project over those two weeks were quite a number of notable people in the area and I'm not going to disclose any names because they probably will be able to disclose themselves if they wish. But they worked on this project along with me and we found that it was definitely negative and we pulled out of it. The unfortunate part at that time was that I was not able to do anything about her or her feelings or her influence on a person either myself or on anyone else. I realized that we were quite a bit at a loss for power, a loss for knowing what to do. Many of the people who have been involved in Salsa research have clammed up, have stopped their publications, have refused to talk to anyone.

They have shut up in many ways over the period of years. In the magazine, the periodic comes out, the saucer scoop, almost every issue tells of someone who has clammed up and forgotten, don't want anything more to do with it because somebody has gotten to them. They have felt that they got pretty close to the answer on these flying saucers and the negative forces got to them, shut them up. Sometimes they're called people in black suits, the black suit entities that were around. The people, whether they were physical or otherwise, in many instances they were indicated as being entities, in other cases they were indicated as being physical. They came in black sedans with black suits and they warned the people or physically harmed them in some way to show them definitely that they meant business and to keep this stuff quiet. I felt that this was a point that needed some attention. And so over the period of years I have developed into, in the research,

into the ability to do things like this. And along through those years I was able to get a doctorate degree in metaphysics and another one in divinity, and which gave me, not the degree, the piece of paper doesn't mean very much in itself, it was the ability that I gained in my own thinking and my own ability to do things to counteract these negative forces. And I have been very successful at this. And anyone else can do the same thing. There is no limitation. There are no restrictions on any individual to do this. Getting back to some of the other rather interesting things that have happened in the past, I found that over a period of many years I had some rather interesting experiences. I have probably seen the neighborhood of 150 unidentified objects. These are objects either as a solid object, as seen maybe by day, or as a light by night, or as a cloud effect. And sometimes, as you might say, as a negative, like a negative to a picture,

where I can see where they have been, but couldn't see the object itself. This is an indication of some of the things that I have kept my eyes open and watched for and been able to recognize. I have the ability, of course, being in the Air Force for many years, I had good eyesight. And I had good training which allowed me to know whether that object was of earthly origin or not. I had many instances to prove

that some of these sightings and contacts that people have had were actually real. They actually happened. I have waited over a period of many years for some of these shows, some of these people, to slip, to make a wrong statement, to prove themselves as a hoax. Looks like I'm going to have to nail down some of these chairs around here. This wind, if we all get a good frame of mind here, we can concentrate on it, you'd be surprised how much power you can put forth in a mass mind like this and quiet this wind down. And we can all just think for a short few seconds here on the idea that we want the wind to quiet down, so we can have a very peaceful convention today while I'm sure that it will happen. I've seen many interesting things happen. Many of them. And getting back to some of these people that have had some very interesting experiences, I've tried to prove, to my own satisfaction as well as to others, whether they actually happened,

whether they were reaching out, trying to get publicity, or whether they actually had it. Whether they actually had something happen in the physical, or was it in some other form of, say, in the astral or in the etheric region or in some other psychic phenomenon. And just where does one leave off and where does the other begin? In working through the various aspects of this research in conjunction with the Air Force over the period of many years, I found that there was a lot to their side of the question. I have listened to many people discuss the pros and cons of why they want to suppress so much information and why they don't come out and say that they are here. One problem that they have, of course, is security. They always throw that in. They get the information in and they say they have to keep it under wraps until the object or the information is obsolete. And when it's that way, then they can release it for the public information.

It's pretty hard to say when there's flying saucer information, it will become obsolete. It might be a long time if we wait for that. I think one of the other things that is holding them back from making a statement is primarily the religious standpoint of view. How does this fit into religion? I have always answered the question when people ask me, what does this have to do with religion? I've always said that religion had something to do with flying saucers. And it wasn't necessarily that flying saucers had something to do with religion. Because I've become a firm believer that flying saucers is a picture of life in existence throughout the entire universe.

[02:27:42] Questions and closing discussion

We are looking out into space. We are looking into something that is going on. We are able to see a little bit of what life is like in some of the other dimensions. A dimension that is able to change its frequency in some way so that it would be invisible at some times and visible at other times. An object can come over the head right now and not be seen at all. And suddenly we look up and see a full-sized spacecraft up there that we'd say is visible. Then there are those who have taken pictures. Many pictures have been taken here at the Rock, at the conventions, and at other times too, where nothing was seen. When the pictures were developed, there were spacecraft in the pictures. And I'm sure this will happen again today and tomorrow here, that many of the pictures that you take here, will have spacecraft in them when you get them developed that you didn't see when you took the picture. This doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't real.

There definitely is something going on upstairs that needs some more investigation. This is my firm assumption on this whole, all these 25 years of investigation that brought this out. There definitely is something going on that needs further investigation. And I'm going to keep on investigating. I have some good ideas on what's going on. I've had a lot of good comments. I've listened to a lot of people talk. And I've given public lectures on my research on flying saucers for over 20 years. I don't say that I have the ultimate, that I know exactly what they are, where they come from. I've listened to one man. He says that they came from the Earth. He has proof that they definitely all come from the Earth. Another man says they all come from Mars. Another one says they come from Venus. Another one says they come from here and from there. They each seem to have the answer. But I believe that they each have a part of the answer.

They are each getting a piece of the subject matter and they're getting a feeling that they, at least they're getting a hold on it, a bite into some of the background of what this all amounts to. Take a look at the, what's happened in these last 20 years to the people. I've watched them change from a materialistic, scientific type individual like myself, as an engineer, a scientist, a pilot in the Air Force. And I would, thought a lot about these things. I became interested in them. But I wasn't psychic in the sense of being overly psychic or anything like that. But I was interested in these. So I gradually dug into these. And I've watched the public change. I've watched the trend change. It's nothing today to see a show on television showing students at the university with their witch cults openly talking about it, discussing the way they work at it and how they go about it, and to actually express themselves and to ask for more members.

It's quite the thing to get up these various witch cults today. It indicates the trend of thinking. We see through the years the trend that went through the beatniks into the hippies. And today we also have the Aquarian and other terms that are used relative to people or their thinking, their philosophies. It's becoming very open today to be one of these people. To be one of this type of thinking. In fact, so much so that it's the predominant factor in the voice of America. The young people today are different. They're reaching out for something. They're reaching out for something and I'm not so sure that they know what they're reaching for. I have a pretty good idea of what they're reaching for because I've been studying it. But they are suppressed. They don't like the orthodox system that is given out in education at the schools. They don't like the way the public runs things. They don't like the government. They don't like the war in Vietnam.

They don't like this and they don't like that. The orthodox system all the way through is indicating that they have something else that they really want. And this is really wonderful too to have them have this wonderful expression of freedom. Being able to look out into space and to have what is called the freedom of thought. Freedom of speech. We have many controversial issues in our schools today. We had one at UCLA here this last week or so with a Professor Davis. And many of the people have asked me about this and this is just one of the controversial subjects that is confronting our educational system today. We have many other controversial subjects all the way down the line. We have many things that are indicated in our public domain today. The integration of the various races. Why do these people have to be suppressed and pushed down and forced into things that they don't necessarily want? This is an indication

of what the various administrations or various orthodox systems are forcing upon the people through their various forms of government. The political systems and the machines that have been in operation for over a period of many years have stayed in a certain way. And if you look at the public today, the problems that we're having throughout the country today, you'll realize that the system that is working in the schools and in the government is not working with the public. Our youth today are breaking away from this. And we have to understand this. We have to understand their philosophies in order to reach out and to be a friend with them, to give them what they want. They may be here to find out about flying saucers, or they may be down on a love inn, or they may be up on a rock somewhere just meditating. It makes little or no difference. They are certainly not really out for the system that is being exhibited throughout the country today.

And I feel that it's necessary for someone to get into a public office, one that has a lot of persuasion, in order to give the people what they want. I want you to realize that I am one of you. I'm not the politician that might be from Sacramento or from some other system along the way. I want you to feel that I'm one of you. I've been with you as a citizen of this state for over 30 years. Most of the time here in Los Angeles. I've worked here. I've earned my living here. I've suffered with the taxes and the cost of living rises and various other things. And I feel that all of this goes to prove that I'm going to take those sentiments into Sacramento when I go up there next year. I've had some wonderful responses from the people all over the country up to the present time. They are all for it. It's amazing, really, how much public opinion is for someone like myself to get into some form of government where they have a means

of releasing the tension that's over these people. The public today in general, if you saw something about a flying saucer, or if you had a contact, who would you go and tell? You try to tell the authorities about it and they'll call you a crackpot. In some other terminology, it will be indicated as such. Why is this so? Because the cloak that's been put over you and other people like you have been so indoctrinated into their system that they cannot think. They cannot talk of anything else. And they don't believe that anybody has the right to think freely, to express themselves about any such controversial subject as UFOs or metaphysics and get away with it. But I believe that there are enough people in California that want to think freely, that want to be able to express themselves, that would be more than enough to put me in the Sacramento up there in the governor's chair. I have a booth down near the end next to the last booth in the line there

and some information, some cards there available and other literature there for you to read about and give an idea. I might mention a couple of other things that have been brought to my attention as far as things such as the smog. The smog is something that I can remember back in 1940 when I first flew into Los Angeles area from the east in the afternoon. You're facing the sun and you're flying into the haze at that time. But the haze was so thick if I hadn't known the streets in Los Angeles such as Valley Boulevard, Garvey Boulevard, some of the other main boulevards coming in from the east, if I hadn't known those streets very well from the ground I would not have been able to fly in and find the airport. It was that bad then. You were strictly flying on instruments. And over the period of years you were flying on automobiles and to the point where it's almost unbearable. Statistics have been given here recently by scientists

to show that within 10 years there will be enough pollutants in the air in Los Angeles to kill all the people off. Now if we're going to sit back and let this type of political influence on the people go along in red tape and let them work out their problems and maybe eventually 10 years from now be able to come up with something there's going to be a little bit of trouble before then. I feel that there's a definite date to be set that something has to be done by that date and I'm all for doing it. It's nice to be out here in the desert like this and get away from some of that smog and get a chance to breathe some clear air for change. I think one of the things that people have discussed a great deal over the period of years and this has been referred to I do not like to use that term minority. As far as I'm concerned everyone here in America is an American and there are some of them that are underprivileged through their various

problems of education. One of the things that is lacking very definitely lacking in our educational system today is a phase in around metaphysics. We are getting some of the hypnosis and the psychology courses more and more into this. We had a seminar last June down at UCLA for a couple of days down there which was very good. It gave a chance to many of the teachers and many of the speakers throughout the country to discuss the many phases of metaphysics to the people to the students there and it shows the trend is gradually going over to this but it's so far from what is necessary that we still have these dropouts in school far outreaching any limits that's even conceivable. There's no reason to have dropouts in schools today. They should be desired they should actually love to go to school to learn that which they want to learn to be what they want to be. Someone was saying the other day about the music they were talking about some opera

and other forms of symphony orchestra and music that they were going to put on for the schools I can see some of these people modern bands trying to listen to some of these symphonies I can't see them going across the street to even do it. I think that the people would be very happy if they could give some form of education into the type of music that the people today people of today really want to hear and teach them how to express themselves in this way. Music is a wonderful thing it's a wonderful way of expressing whether it's whether it be rock and roll whether it be a rumba whether it be any of the other terms that have been used over the period of years makes little or no difference each individual has his own way of expressing the rhythm, the frequency of which he has which he feels the mood he's in it can be very relaxing and again it can be very very tensing. The doctors have indicated over the period of years that tension is good

a certain amount of tension is good we must have a little tension to keep up a pace of life but yet it is good to relax the people who cannot relax unfortunately die young they are so tense that they can't feel the life that is here they can't get the expression that they need there is so much in this form of teachings there is so much in this study of all these various subjects in regards to metaphysics I have realized incidentally in the past few years that very few people know what metaphysics is many people think well it's talking about astro travelers talking about flying saucers not necessarily metaphysics is a broad subject and in a way it's a way of expressing yourself and researching into everything that is not of physics this is what they say metaphysics is beyond the realm of physics but yet the dictionary gives out a definition of metaphysics as being the study of the being that's yourself what you are and what you are going to be

and what you were and the evolution of the earth so we look at these rocks up here on this hill we take a look at them we look real close we can see our there is a lot of water marks where the waves have rippled against those rocks for many centuries carved out shapes in those rocks it would indicate to me that those rocks have been underwater since they were in the shape they are now many people thought that California was going to fall into the ocean Before that, we had several psychics that predicted exactly what would be at that time. And along from that time on, there were many other psychics that got into it, indicating a trend of belief and thinking that California was going to slip off into the ocean, or at least everything west of the San Andreas fault line. This is one of my pet hobbies, is researching into earthquakes. And I've followed this trend for many years. I've watched people, watched the news items, watched the prophecies and the predictions come along.

Year after year after year, they would predict that a great cataclysmic earthquake was going to happen. The time would come by and it wouldn't happen. The next thing you know, next year there would be another prediction, it would happen again, and so on. And everybody feels it's going to happen. I take a look at a hill like this right here with these rocks on it, and I realize that's been up and down, but it didn't happen overnight. And it was very likely, nobody was drowned in the time that it went up or down. Yet it happened so gradually that we didn't realize that it was going on. A news item that came out not very long ago, oh, I think maybe two or three months ago, was stating the fact that the couple of areas where they have up in Sacramento there, where they measure it, that the ground is sinking one inch every year. It's just going down, that's the rate at which it's sinking. Another rather interesting item here recently has shown that the city of Venice,

you know, where all the canals are over there in Europe, is going to have to do something very soon about putting dikes up. They are sinking down so far that if they don't put some dikes up, they're going to lose the city entirely. It's going to be underwater. This goes on and on and on, all over the earth. The earth is very pliable. If we had a balloon, or a big rubber ball, thin-skinned rubber ball, about 25 feet in diameter, and the skin of it was only an inch thick, this would represent what the crust of the earth is like and compared to the entire size of the earth, the entire planet. It would give you an indication of how flexible that crust can be with a molten type underneath. We assume it's molten, it's pretty much molten, at least it looks like that when it comes out of these volcanoes. Well, I watched this, the research in the background on this Ann Andrus fault,

and I found that almost all of the movement of that fault line has been in a horizontal direction. Very little of it has ever been in the vertical. I don't think there's any place that's much over six or eight feet of vertical movement that showed up over the period of the centuries. Thousands of years, in fact. There's an indication by scientists that if it continues to move as it is now, that if it's not moving, that it will be, that Los Angeles will be up alongside of San Francisco eventually.

Of course, if we have to wait for that to happen, we might have a long time waiting. Because I imagine it'll probably be several million years before we get there. We've got another problem on our hands. The indication is that within 20 years, that there'll be 40 million people in Los Angeles instead of 20. By this next April, before the June election comes around, the statistics show that California will pass the 20 million mark of residents. This is quite a lot of people here. And it's very interesting, too, that the populace per capita here in California is very strong on the metaphysical side. Most people that are involved in metaphysical research, whether it be of flying saucers, or whether it be of other forms of type of training, or research, kind of congregate towards California. I'll admit, we've got some wonderful weather down here. And I appreciate all the help you people gave a while ago, but there's still a little breeze blowing.

I think if we concentrate again a little more on it, we can even quiet down that breeze to where it'd be very pleasant to sit out here and discuss things all afternoon. There's going to be some very interesting speakers this afternoon up here on the stand. And right after lunch, about 1 o'clock, Governor George will have some more very interesting ones to give you their standpoint of view, their experiences. And I'd be very happy to listen to them, too. I didn't come out here just to tell you that I'm going to run for governor. I came out here to get some more information from you people. Down there, I have some cards and some brochures indicating my address. But I want you to tell me, in a letter some way, what you want. What people are after. What you'd like to have me do when I get up there in Sacramento. If I can get from you people what you want, then I'll know exactly what to do when I get there. Because I'm going to act as your representative.

I'm one of the people of California going into politics. The question's been asked, incidentally, very amusingly, why someone like myself should go all the way up to the top? Why don't you start at the bottom and work your way up? Well, I have really started at the bottom and worked my way up in many ways. When I went into service at first, they gave me $21 a day once a month. And that was very interesting. I often wonder, I used to smoke Bull Durham, and I had to ration that. Rolled my own. It was the only way I could get it. A nickel a pack. Two other people, Laundrie and some like that, got out of that $21 why I think I had nine or ten and sometimes $11 left for the month to live on. At the present time, I hold a rank colonel, lieutenant colonel to be exact, what's called a light colonel in the Air Force Reserve. I understand the things that the military has to do. I understand what they are for. And I believe that someone in my position,

as I'm going up there, is going to have to have a firm hand to keep things in tow because there are some people, still referred to as militants or in some other terminology that could be referred to that, who like to get into our organizations and disrupt them. And to keep peace, harmony prevailing throughout the country, we have to be able to hold a firm hand. And I'm sure I can do that. This is one of the things that I learned in service was to be able to control things and to set things straight where they belong. But I'm a free thinker. I'm an open-minded person who believes in understanding what the people today want, what they're looking forward to. And I can just imagine what the crime rate's going to look like 20 years from now if it continues to increase the rate it's increasing now in the last 20 years. Just look at any phase of the public today, how it expands in a progressive rate or the increasing of population.

If we increase the population by two, making it up to 40 million people in the next 20 years, what's going to happen to them? Where are they going to go? By 1982, the Feather River project will be inadequate for water in Southern California. It means that we're going to have to go to other sources to get water. All of these projects are very definitely in the need to look into the future. How's it going? Anybody getting hungry? It's getting pretty close to lunchtime. And I'd like to talk to each and every one of you individually as time goes along. I'd like to have you tell me what you'd like to have me do. I have a pretty good idea what the issues are today. I haven't been in this for the last 25 years without knowing what you want, what you're looking forward to, what you don't like about the present administration. I have my feelings about that, too. But I'd still like to know what you want me to do, what you'd like to have me do.

And I'll certainly weigh it out. If you don't feel like you have the time to stop by and talk to me, I'd like to have you put it in writing. Post Office Box 155, Santa Susana, California. That's Post Office Box 155, Santa Susana, California. And the committee's name is the Committee to Vote for May and June. A very good term, and I'm sure that as time goes along that you will see it down there, Vote for May and June, that you won't forget that. It should go for many things. Have you got something else to say, George? All right, fine. He's got somebody else he wants to say in a couple of minutes here, so I'll turn it back over to George Van Tassel. Thank you very much. I want to bring you a man who is a visitor to our country, and I may pronounce his name wrong, but he's from India, and this particular climate here doesn't agree with him

on the high desert. I want to present this man to you as one of our best friends, and I'm sure you'll appreciate that he's a very good friend of mine, and I'm sure you'll appreciate

that he's a very good friend of mine. I want to present this man to you as one of our neighbours from India, and I haven't the faintest idea what he's going to say, but this is Sri Chakrabarty from India visiting in our country, so let's give him a hand.

Ladies and gentlemen, I hail you, and respect you with the name of the most ancient nation in the world, the Hindus of India. Well, from time immemorial, Though we have not this facility of modern technical knowledge, yet we know from scriptures that there are lives and entities and beings in space beyond.

About three thousand years B.C., we find in our scriptures, revering to some of these entities, existing the higher living beings in outer spaces, whom we could contact through the spiritual and other ways. Now, we must say that the modern technologies and modern physics and science wants to explore that space and want to bring home and back them into our space, into one world organization, one universal organization. This is not impossible. What we wanted to do in? In our homes, in our exploration, here we find that the midst of astrophysical exploration, this is possible. We find in the remotest dawn of Indian history that there is a verse in Veda,

which was written about three thousand years B.C., where it is written, śrīla u vi e am daśya-putrā āyati-divyā dhamāni dastu vedāha-meta puru a ānta āditya-var a paraśa-ta sthara Listen, O humanity, and all the beings that lives in space beyond. I have known and realized the Supreme Being and realized Him. We can cross the depths and but from that time onward, we in India try to explore and come in contact with the space, with the beings in the other entities in the space beyond,

and we claim that we have come in contact in our own way, but couldn't make proceed further any progress. Here we have come to find the possibilities of an exploration, taking the help of modern sciences, if that can be done. And we also find that there are references in our land, that we find here and there, such supernatural phenomena, which couldn't explain in our own way, and we must recourse to these. There are some things beyond which can't explain in our modern ways, and this must be ascribed to the spaces life beyond. I shall be looking with interest the development of this modern sciences here, this laudable project here, the enterprises here, to further explorations of knowing the life beyond and to make a world universal life organization.

Thank you. Thank you, Sri.

Now, there's some people over there in a white bus back of the stands, with a red band around it, that have these giant rock convention souvenir badges. And they only made up 200 of them, so if any of you people want these souvenir badges, they have them over there at that bus behind the stand. Now, right after lunch, we're going to hear from Dan Fry extensively, because he can tell you a lot. And following Dan Fry, we're going to bring Mel Noel up here, and he's going to give you some information that may shock you a little. But he says he wants to get up here and say it, and I'm certain that you, who have heard him before, know he's going to tell you something different. And I'm not going to tell you what it is, because it's his story. So, as of now, we're going to take a break for lunch.