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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

This book, Stranger Than Science, carries such stories in full view of his family, never to be seen again, weighing 2,200.

Amazing stories, true ones. The book has been printed in a dozen and one languages. I don't know how many. We officially introduced Frank. I do want to remind you about some of the trips we have coming up because we'd love to have you go along with us. And thank you, Frank, for being with us. How have you been? Been looking forward to kicking some of these stories around with you that you tell in this amazing book, Stranger Than Science. How did you accumulate, Frank? Well, actually, that's a sort of a labor of love. I have altogether about 3,000 of these stories, but the problem with many of them is to verify them.

Yes. And so the ones that I was able to confirm and, you know, to make certain that they had actually happened, as the story indicates, ruled out a great many of them.

But the ones that I have in the book have all been fully documented. And, uh... I think they, as I said, it was a labor of love. And I think they show that our senses are not adequate to deal with all the forces that exist around us.

There must be a lot of things other than electricity that we can feel and can't see. In other words, the conclusion is there's a lot we don't understand. And, as Edison said, a lot that we, that taught us a lot about how little we understand of the things that we do know. And I think that's still true today. Well, now... I don't mean to pin you down mercilessly here, but the term fully documented, you as a newsman know, is rather loosely used in some cases.

Except in this book. That's what I wanted to get to. How do you define fully documented? Let's take the case, for example, of the Hindu girl who lived twice. I got the documentation on that from the government of India. They appointed a... An official commission was appointed to examine this girl's story, to put her through tests, to see if... She could make good on the statements that she had made and was making. And the answer to the questions was yes. And the government of India, as well as some private doctors down there who were members of the commission,

all furnished me with their statements and documentation on it. So I feel that case is fully documented. Incidentally, the girl is still living today, and she is an employee of the Indian government, incidentally. She was born in 19... 1926. And she says she no longer is interested in this family, which she says was hers when she died ten years before she was actually born, according to the records.

Well, now, this story of hers, I think, is more or less legend among those who believe in reincarnation. Well, I think it's one of the best documented items of its kind. I should have said legion and not legend. It's legion among the reincarnationists. And I'm impelled to wonder why, if she would have this experience in the first place, there wouldn't be no repetition of it or no carry-through, no follow-through. Well, Ben, maybe we should explain what happened in this case. Here was a girl named Shanti Devi who was born to a wealthy family in India. And when she was a very small child, she began talking about her husband and her family. Well... Her parents, especially her mother, who was with the child all the time, regarded this as just kid talk, a highly imaginative child.

But as she grew older, the little girl began to elaborate on this same background. And she told her mother that she had died about ten years before she was actually born. In fact, she was born in 1926. And she told her mother that she had died about ten years before in a little town called Mutra. And that her husband, she gave her the name of her husband. And she said she had a son and a daughter and that she had died in childbirth. And she did not know the name of the child that was born at the time she died. Well, she kept giving so much detail on this. And the story got around and they became very much interested. That is, medical men who examined her. And they put her through some tests. They had this... They had the brother of this alleged husband come to visit their home. The home of this little girl. Unannounced, she ran to the door to answer the doorbell and began shouting his name. Although she had never seen the man before.

You know, in this life, certainly. They took her... This commission took her to Mutra. She got off the train. She began conversing in the local dialect with the people there on the platform. She pointed out the mother of her alleged former husband. She pointed out his brother and sister. She named them all correctly. She named certain other individuals. And the crowd. And then, blindfolded, she led this group of members of the commission and others to the house where she said she had lived and where she claimed to have died in childbirth. She correctly identified an old man who was sitting out in the yard as her alleged father-in-law. And this fellow, whom she claimed was her husband in this other life, said, well, if you were my wife, what did you do with the ring I gave you? She took him around in the garden in back of the house. And she pointed to a spot and she said, dig there and under a plank you will find a jar with a ring in it and some coins.

And sure enough, they dug there and there was a ring with the ring he was looking for with some coins in this jar. They then took the little girl back to New Delhi where she lived, or rather to Delhi. And she was quite confused about this whole thing, which I think is understandable. But as I say, she is now... Well, let's see. She was born... Born in 26, would make her about 45 years old. No, 35. 35, yeah. She's about 35 years old. She now works as a clerk for the government in New Delhi. And she told some newsmen, including one for the New York Times, which carried an article on it not too long ago, that she has forgotten or tried to forget and put all this out of her mind because it is only confusing to the son and daughter and this alleged former husband and also to herself. And she says there seems to be no satisfaction for any of them. So she's trying to live her own life the best she can under the present circumstances.

And the Indian government confirms that. Yes, yes. They have the records on it. Well, of course, that answers my question then, why there's been no follow-through or repeat since... And I answered it in not more than 10 minutes. Well, you told a marvelous story. And as long as you seem to be in a storytelling mood tonight, I should like to know about the atomic explosion of a spaceship in 1908. Would you mind... If we pirate that one out of the book, too? Well, that's listed in all the astronomical records as the Tunguska meteorite. It was a tremendous explosion that took place over the almost barren lands up around the Yenisei River in Siberia on June the 30th, 1908. And whatever it was, it was a tremendous glowing object that came in at a speed of about 750 miles an hour. And it exploded at an altitude of about... a little over a mile above the Earth. And it was always regarded as a meteorite. But it lacked many of the characteristics of a giant meteorite

because there were no really big craters there. There were a few holes. And the soil around there was barren and has been for a good many years. And after World War II, a fellow named Alexander Kazantsev was a member of the Russian Investigating Commission that went to Nagasaki. He was in Hiroshima to investigate the effects and appearance of the atomic bomb explosions there. And he noticed a strange thing. He noticed that the trees directly under the center of the atomic blast had the limbs stripped off of them, hanging down, which is a peculiar thing. And the only other place he had ever seen this was in Siberia at the site of the so-called Tunguska meteor explosion. So he went back and pointed out this fact. And finally... Many, many years after the explosion had taken place, of course, the Russians sent an expedition up there. And Kazantsev says in his book, A Guest from the Universe, that they traced out a radioactive circle,

which would indicate the cone of the blast, as typical of airborne atomic explosions. They could trace out the cone of the blast by the radioactivity in the soil. And for many miles around there, the trees are all brushed down flat, away from the center of the blast, and they're all scorched on the side toward the explosion, just as they would be with a gigantic atomic blast. And he says that the cone of the blast is still easily discernible by modern instruments, and that it indicates that this thing weighed about 50,000 tons,

[09:37] First major segment

and that it exploded at an altitude of one and six-tenths miles above the wastelands there in Siberia. Now, there's some argument about this. Some other Russian scientists say this is... While what he says is true, it doesn't indicate... Well, he says it does. Nevertheless, about three-fourths of all the Russian scientists who have been up there and examined the thing have come to the same conclusion that Kazantsev did. And he says that on that day when this terrific, this great object came in and exploded with such terrific fury, we lost a guest from the universe. Hmm. Isn't that fascinating? I have another question to ask you about it, and I'm sure that some of you have some questions, too. So remember, if there are any questions that you would like to ask, I'd like to address to Frank Edwards, news analyst and author of Stranger Than Science and other books, too, for that matter. Give us a call at Hollywood 66148.

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serving the Los Angeles area. Charge it with your Bank of America card. Check your phone book for the Kinney store near you. Thank you. Uh, Frank, the other question I had was this. Here you've collected stories of spaceships, stories of reincarnation, now, and other things, wild and wondrous. You said that, uh, you came to the conclusion that we didn't understand all there was to understand in this world. Now, that seems to me a rather guarded statement. Uh, if you can get a story like this and get it documented, then, uh, you must have to accept it, don't you? Well, I accept these stories as true. I don't know what the answers are to them. Is that what you mean, Ken? Yes, I was, uh, I was sort of pinning you down. I had to take, uh, for instance, uh, if the story about the Hindu girl is documented and true, and if you do believe it, then it follows that reincarnation must be true, right? Well, the, uh, the answer that I have to that,

I don't have any answer there. I'm giving you a third degree. Yes, well, this is all right, because this is a logical question after a story like that. Uh, so... As I say in the, in the closing line here, I deal with that. Let me see if I can find that right quick. I'll, incidentally, I'll autograph this book for you. Well, thank you very much. It, uh, it keeps you from selling it. I see. The girl who lived twice, all right? But the, uh, the answer to that is this,

that if she did not live twice, the evidence, there's something wrong with the evidence, with all the evidence in her particular case. Mm-hmm. If she did live twice, it presents science with a more baffling and, and, uh, and bothersome set of facts than if they could prove that she was wrong. So there's really no answer to it. You just have to... Mm-hmm. ...to accept the, the facts and, uh, make your decision on the basis of your own personal opinion in the matter. Mm-hmm. What are you doing out here on the West Coast? Well, I came out here, uh, Ben, on this, uh, Warner Brothers Jubilee. Oh, yeah. And I got to see a preview of the, of a wonderful picture that we got called Fanny. I think this is one of the, one of the best ones I've seen in years. I... And we had a wonderful time. Great show out there, of course. And then also I've got a new book coming out this fall called Strange People. And it's about people who are mentally, physically,

and psychically strange. And, uh, Jack Dempsey and Steve Schaefer, my two representatives out here, are working on some film deals to make this, uh, this next book impossibly stranger than Science II... Mm-hmm. ...into a TV series. Oh, that'll be a good one. That'll be a good one. Well, we've got some, uh, viewers here that want to ask you a question or two, Frank. So let's, uh, let's see who they are and what they... This is the deduction of the, uh, Russian scientists

who were on the scene. And, uh, just exactly how they figured this out, I do not know. But they used this figure, 50,000 tons, several times as the estimated weight of that particular, uh, object or craft or whatever it was. I don't know how they arrived at that. The trees around this particular blast,

as I said, are all brushed outward from the center, for many miles around there. And, uh, the blast did there exactly what it has done in similar cases, including Hiroshima. It simply swept the trees and everything beneath it out and away, out to the outside of the blast area. Uh, in your investigations, did you, did you check out any of these UFO stories? You know, I've interviewed most of these fellows who claim to have ridden in flying saucers and that sort of thing. Did you come, of course, you mentioned this, this one story, but any of the others, did you check out any of those stories? I never checked out any of those contact stories for the simple reason that I agree with the Air Force that no one has ever contacted any living creatures in or from one of these unidentified flying objects. I belong to NICAP, Ben, that's the National Investigating Committee on Aerial Phenomena, which is headed by Admiral Hill and Cutter,

the former head of Central Intelligence. And we have among our members many scientists and many former top military men of prominence, all of whom are credible and, uh, and competent. And competent people. And, uh, they take the position that, uh, on the basis of what General Twining told us when he was the head of the, uh, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that the Air Force has tried every conceivable means to communicate with these things and has not done so, as General Twining said, has not been able to communicate with them for what General Twining said we assumed to be physical reasons. Admiral Hill and Cutter immediately asked him what he meant by physical reasons. Never mind, I've said too much already. What he meant, I don't know. Well, now, NICAP, as I recall, was started by Major Kehoe, was it not? Well, he was one of the founders, uh, Admiral Hill and Cutter, and actually, uh, Admiral Delmar Farney was, uh, was the principal founder of it.

He was the head of the great, uh, Navy based out of Point Magoo. He was the man who coined the term guided missile. Well, uh, Major Kehoe has seemed to have been, uh, somewhat of a guiding light in this, uh, NICAP thing because I know that most of the correspondence Yes. from him. Well, he's the director of it. He's the director, and he stoutly maintains that the Air Force is lying. Well, he's not the only one. The, uh, majority leader in the House of Representatives, Congressman John McCormick, said to a group of newsmen about three months ago that he was confident that the Air Force had not told the American people the truth about the so-called flying saucers and that there was too much evidence from credible and competent witnesses to dismiss all these things as the Air Force tried to dismiss them. He said, I think there should be a full and complete, uh, investigation by Congress of this whole subject. And last week,

Congressman Overton Brooks, who is the head of the House Space Committee, told Congressman McCormick that he would set up a subcommittee to hold public hearings and have a public investigation of this particular subject in the manner in which the, uh, public has apparently been hoodwinked. Hmm. No, I think it's quite simple why the Air Force has taken this stand if they have hoodwinked the public, as I personally feel they have. The Air Force gets many, uh, hundreds of millions of dollars from the American taxpayer each year, and the Air Force is charged with the responsibility of controlling everything in the air over the United States and its territories and possessions. The Air Force has never been able to control these so-called unidentified flying objects, and therefore, rather than to admit its failure, it seems to have taken the tack of, uh, trying to deny that things exist because it can't control them. I think,

I think this is an understandable policy. I think it's a very unfortunate one. And incidentally, since it became evident that there would be, or that, uh, there apparently would be these congressional hearings, the Air Force has dropped, uh, Colonel Thacker, who was their press chief who made so many contradictory statements on this subject. Oh, has, has Thacker been out? Oh, yes, he's out. I interviewed him, and, uh, I recall his saying at the time when we talked with him. He said, uh, now, after all, somebody, uh, out in, uh, Cucamonga or someplace says that they saw a flying saucer. He says, the Air Force has the finest, uh, scientific laboratories in the entire world with which to investigate those findings, and they devote all of these laboratories and all of their facilities to checking this thing. And they find that there's nothing there, and then somebody sits back and says, well, dog-donnit, there sure was. Well, if there was nothing there,

the Air Force should stop issuing orders like the one that went out on December 24th, 1959 to all Air Base commanders over the signature of the director, uh, the, uh, uh, Director General of the Air Force in which he advised all Air Base commanders that the so-called flying saucers, officially known as unidentified flying objects, must be treated as a matter of serious concern for the Air Force even though they may be ridiculed in the public press. And then they devoted seven pages to telling the Air Base commanders how to investigate these things, how to take samples of the soil where they landed, how to photograph them, how to report them, how to, uh, keep records of their movements on radar. Seven pages of it. Now, if they don't exist, that's way too long. They're wasting a lot of, uh, of carbon copies. Mm-hmm. Well, let's, uh, get some other... I'd like to kick this around with you some more. Better let somebody else get in on the act.

Hello. Hello, Ben. Yes. Uh, this is Mrs. Stevens. Yes, Mrs. Stevens.

I enjoy your show very much. Thank you. I'll be walking, uh,

uphill. We have a story on the thing that you're talking about. That's the so-called Oregon Vortex. And there's a story on that in this book, Stranger Than Science, uh, along with 72 other stories. I see. Incidentally, uh, Frank's, uh, radio and television work, he has another book here that, uh, we might as well give a plug to. It's called My First Ten Million Sponsors, which is, uh, a rather goodly number. What does the ten million sponsors refer to, Frank? Well, uh, for several years I was sponsored on a national network by the American Federation of Labor. In fact, I was the first newsman ever to be sponsored nationally by a labor organization. Mm-hmm. Those were very interesting years. I built a tremendous audience. When it was all over, it was all over. Fine. Oh, like, uh, as sponsors do, you know, they come and go. Yes, they do. They win. Yes. I don't know what the answer is, but the story about it, a, uh, a rather lengthy article about it

is in this book. And, uh, I think you'll find, uh, that it's worth your 50 cents and, uh, along with the other 72 stories in the book. Good hearing you on it. Thank you, Miss Stevens.

[24:03] Second major segment

Mm-hmm. Number one? What do you think of Charles Ford? Yes. What do you think now? Of his what? Well, Charles Ford wrote with tongue and cheek. Don't forget, he, he kept saying that the Earth was surrounded by a mass of clear jelly. Yeah. And that the stars were little holes in the top of it through which the light was filtering. And, uh, these were just pranks with, uh, Ford. Where his theories on science left off and where his pranks began, I don't know. But, uh, he kept telling out of the great masses of scientific literature strange and unexplainable, uh, incidents. Well, I think, uh, Frank, am I, uh, not correct in saying that, that Ford really had, uh, a rather higher objective than all of that, which was to, uh, prove that science was not a sacred cow. Oh, yes. In other words, he was, he was trying to... He was an iconoclast. Exactly. Yes. Uh, of course, uh, the, uh,

Frank's answer's right here. Uh, can probably be obtained at almost any, uh, place that sells paperback books. Who was the publisher? Ace. Say, pardon? Ace. A-C-E, Ace.

Oh, Ace. It's also in hardcover which is available from any bookstore. Yeah, I've had, I have a thought it would collect out a minute and a half of the stories of Alexander the Great. So I suppose, uh, it's possible for them to be back over there again. Thank you very much. Thank you, Lillian. Bye. Since Alexander the Great, people were seeing something in the sky that they couldn't identify. Alexander the Great's, uh, recordkeepers tell the story of the two things which they called great shining silver shields, spitting fire, which they said came darting down from the clouds they were waiting affording a river and drove them back and it took several days for him to get the scattered forces together and get them across the stream again now shield in those days of course was a circular uh metallic device and that of course would uh sound very much like the conventional unidentified flying object of today interesting having gone through one life and

having matured going through her second life now she's about 35 years old and she works for

the government of india in a minor capacity in new delhi and she is living there in uh she has

a nice apartment there and uh she is unmarried and has no intention of getting married she says and uh she's living uh i don't know whether it's her first or her second life but the life she's living now she's living in pretty ordinary fashion let's say

suppose as normal as it could be after all the publicity she'd had by the book

thank you for some of these books that deal with reincarnation well the new york times has run

several uh several articles on it uh since 1952 in other words they've kept pretty much in touch with her and uh i guess their man in india is fascinated by this i dare say uh we have to pause just a moment now to bring you a very important announcement is the one the first

one hundred percent corn oil margarine fleischmann's the first margarine made from one hundred percent golden corn oil from the fields of sun ripened corn fleischmann's has partially hydrogenated all the goodness of one hundred percent corn frank was uh just telling me he put on his other hat while uh you were watching that message and he this is his newsman's hat he says he's got a new scoop for us what is it frank well i think it's a very important one ben uh our atomic submarine the thresher has successfully dived to depths greater than 600 feet

up now very few submarines in fact we know of no other submarines that have gone that deep and lived to tell the story and this is very important first place the submarine has a rather unique the thresher has a rather unique uh system of uh or method of uh stiffening the hull which enables it to withstand that tremendous pressure down there and the second part of it is this along our east coast we know that russians have dropped the russians have dropped several uh devices on the continental shelf and these things uh are slightly different each one is different from the others so that any russian submarine that got close to one of these would know exactly which one it was and therefore would know exactly where that submarine was with relation to our coast now in case of a missile attack by submarine it would be very important and vital for them for the submarine to know exactly where it was and with the aid of these devices out on our continental

the russian subs would know where they were now the devices are made so that we haven't been able to pick them up because of the depth of which they're dropped but if our submarines can go to 600 feet or deeper we will be able to pick these things up well i am shocked at the low figure i thought that subs have been going lower than 600 feet for a long time i'm very surprised at that well the navy is very proud of this that's all i can tell you all i can say is excuse me navy i know a school diver that went 400 feet where are we now line three not sure from that brief description whether i know the case you're

talking about or not uh there was a fellow named uh lanphier some years ago who claimed to have a substance that he had put in water is that the one you're talking about yes that's correct yes i know about that story and uh the uh officially they admitted that the he had uh his tests had been successful but this fellow suddenly disappeared and along with him the substance it was and uh that was the end of the uh whole proceedings as far as i've ever been able to learn these things crop up every once in a while the story that somebody has discovered something can be put into water and converted into a combustible and explosive substance but that's the only case that i know of where any sort of tests were conducted and you know official tests and where they admitted officially that it did work but the guy disappeared he said he was going to europe but i guess he went because he never came back is that so now i'd heard a story like that and they

they but it was a guy the way that the way this story i heard went you'd go around from gas station to gas station filling up his tank with water you know yeah and pretty soon he'd get somebody to buy the tablets of course needless to say he had a he had a double bottom in his gasoline tank you know and he'd pull in the gas station guys they fill it up with water and the guy said you're nuts you don't need to know fill it up so the guy'd fill it up and he'd drive off and he'd come back there and do that several times the first thing you know he had a market for these well they put this fella in a in a sealed room with a gallon bucket and they gave him uh a gallon of water and then he mixed the stuff and brought it out and they poured it into these various motors of their own and they did run according to the official records but what he had or what became of him i don't know he must have had vanishing cream because he disappeared isn't that

amazing he could use some of that made himself unfortunate let's talk about uh 10 million spot

there's again for a minute i'd like to in being in the business i'd kind of like to get us a little bit of a slant on uh on your 10 million sponsors does the book have many to do with when you were sponsored by the union no it starts with uh um when i was a kid about 11 years old a traveling medicine show came through the little town where i lived and i joined up and just one guy who called himself doc white and he had long white hair and he wore a big 10 gallon hat he looked a little bill you know might have been i don't know and he called himself doc white and he sold submarine ear oil made from the inner ear of the fish and he sold it and it worked yeah i was with him one summer and i had a wonderful time he was a great guy submarine ear oil then it tells about uh when i started in radio in 1924 at kdka in pittsburgh and then i worked on the floyd

[35:51] Questions and closing discussion

collins case the man who was trapped in the cave that was radio's first big news story and it broke five i worked on that and uh then the story comes through some of the uh rough and tumble days of radio particularly those during the depression when i took the job for nothing a week because i needed the money yeah they paid us off in weenies is that right oh yeah i got so that i didn't care much for weenies even to this day i'm not really fond of it did you ever have any uh sponsoritis frank sponsoritis you mean uh trying to get water no i guess we've all had that no i mean where uh the sponsor begins to feel that uh he's

everybody ben everybody who has been in the news business uh particularly in the broadcast field has had that problem at some time or other if you uh don't mind losing a sponsor and a job occasionally why you can you can buck it i would think particularly sponsored by a labor union that you might well the trouble with being sponsored by the labor union was the fact that uh it had uh was i think 74 or 75 major unions in it and each of them had their own problems and their own viewpoints and their own not only the viewpoints of the union itself but of the officials of the union and it was a case where you couldn't please everybody as a matter of fact the editor who tried to please everybody ended up in the insane ward at the poorhouse and i didn't care to follow him i can i can readily understand that let's let the our viewers ask questions yes who's speaking please this man was not in new york this is this story incidentally is in my next book

strange people which i recommend highly for obvious reasons it'll be out next fall and uh this is one

of these stories in my in that book strange people and it's about a fellow named edward mondrake who was the son of a wealthy family in britain and he had a face on the back of his head it had eyes nose mouth uh it did not eat nor did it speak but the eyes worked and he could see in back of himself as well as ahead of himself and he wore a big black beret over his head because it confused him and he finally committed suicide at the age of 38 because of the uh distress of this condition great day in the morning well there's uh there's the answer thank you nice to have you with us thank you i'm a night owl too good for you okay goodbye important word for you bottle washer that's me and in addition i'm the

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to counter gravity i think the real tip-off on this came in june of 1955 when dr herman obert concluded his series of studies for the west german government on the unidentified flying objects and he said that he and his colleagues were of the opinion that these things were operated by distorting the gravitational field in other words converting gravity into usable energy in order toüfra posted the first mulheres we would have been able appropriate 23 positions in the coffee field in the room and forthank natural gas and light-emitting pol giggles counted for attaining redstone isn't that not quite as much as starship goes to the compare they were unable to post video content cladding beley if objectively located to have American

is said to 6 times die andaza giant owns 2017 luxury lancer the laza everal analysed photos of manned weapons shipped abroad at pic Foi otero bo conference at the Frankfurt airport I know that we're making some progress. There are many experiments underway. That'll sure beat these multimillion-dollar rockets. Oh, yes. Do you want us to pause to invite you to stop in on my TV show

when you get to Indianapolis, as I hope you will, for the big race next year? Oh, I certainly will. I do a 45-minute show there every night. It's a sort of a jack-par thing, and I have all the big stars, Rosemary Clooney and Jack Leonard and Phyllis Diller, the whole string of them. And we would feel that we had really had another big star on if you'd stop in. Well, thank you. We'd certainly be delighted to. And as a matter of fact, we've been actually very seriously toying with the idea of coming back there for the Memorial Day Classic. Be my guest next year. How's that? We certainly shall, Frank. And thanks very much to you for chatting with us. Thank you. It's been nice being here. Once again, the titles of the books. There were two books here. I want to tell you about our program next Saturday night,

which concerns a very serious internal situation in the United States and some tremendously important speakers that will be on the program. But before I do, they tell me that there's one more announcement that we must take care of. So let's handle that, and then I'll tell you about it.