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Undated Ben Hunter Show Dan Fry Answers Questions

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

get it for higher wages you know well they share equally in everything that's available anyway so they just don't have much to do with it but uh again this is this is getting uh somewhat away we're getting we're getting a little off the subject but i do believe that i do believe that etymologists agree that there's a difference between uh animal life and human life well again it's a relative thing now i don't know whether our intelligence relatively relative to theirs is as small as the ants relative to ours it may be i have never i don't have any standard by which i can point in the degree of intelligence they have and judge it but again the only reason i'm making this point is that we have this idea that anyone coming to us from space should would immediately rush to our leaders perhaps they don't see enough difference between our leaders and the average man to be worth going to the leader fine uh ben on that point there i

would like to ask mr fry does he did they give him any reason why the antics didn't ask him a board in particular oh they didn't ask me a board i expressed some skepticism as to the abilities of the craft perhaps not directly but i certainly had it in mind and i think this was just a just a gesture to satisfy any doubt i don't think it had any particular importance was this a voice that came to you from the craft while you were some distance away from it i was only a few steps away from it well in fact i was in contact with the craft when the voice first came over i had just touched the craft and the first sound was a warning against continuing to stroke the metal and i said may i ask you sir did you converse in english yes i conversed in english and they spoke to you in the english language and in the american idiom except for one fact it could have been the voice of any technician or any engineer or

scientist on the base idiomatic phrases that is slang terms were used to describe the sound of the craft in the conversation they were not always used the way we would use them they were used out of context according to our custom here they were used as though the individual using them was completely unable to distinguish between the words which we have formally and officially accepted in the words which we have not yet accepted but continually used they were used interchangeably and so they sometimes came out of context it sounded a little peculiar in that way although i didn't notice any particular thing that we might call an accident of course at white sands proving grounds we have germany german people working there we had some japanese people in fact we had people from almost every race working there and you heard all sorts of all sorts of uh language dialects language variations uh all the time so it wouldn't be

likely to notice one unless it was brought to your attention i have one other question i haven't had the pleasure of listening to you before uh have you ever described the interior of the craft before yes i have described it may i may i insert right here i think it would be interesting to have dan describe it why we've got the pause for one of our announcements supposing we ask him to do it right after this next announcement okay fine you stick around and clyde thank you for bringing up the subject it's my own bed i swim in pool everywhere i go all regrets people

yelling brief and description of the interior of the aircraft yes i can give you a description

of it won't be very thrilling in the book white sands incident which has been on the market now for some seven

[03:39] Main address

years what is the name of the book uh footsteps right now the white sands incident is the book which describes the craft and has a drawing in it that book by the way has been translated into and printed in nine languages at the present time including the icelandic i have a copy of the icelandic is that right is it in the bookstores too now dan generally speaking uh you can get it at understanding headquarters in pasadena uh i believe that uh divorce published company has a few copies of it well let me just suggest then that anyone wanting information about it simply uh write to me that they're right here yes they're right here i'll see if you get the information the craft itself was uh about 30 feet in diameter and about 16 feet in height it was what i always described as an oblate spheroid that is a sphere flattened at the top and bottom about 16 feet in height about 30 feet in diameter i actually saw only a very small portion of the interior one small segment which

had been arranged for possible use as a passenger compartment it was explained to me that this craft was not actually designed or intended to carry passengers at all it was strictly a sampling device being used at the moment for taking samples of earth's atmosphere at ground level from various isolated points on the surface the craft was evacuated at the control ship and it was set down on the surface at various isolated points a valve mechanism in the top was opened by the remote control device and it would thereupon fill itself with air at the pressure and temperature that existed at that point on the surface when it was returned to the control ship a much larger ship which was stated to be at that time some 900 miles above the surface they had they would have a very large and quite a precise sample of the atmosphere as it existed on the surface at that point there was a small segment about seven by nine feet in the lower portion of

this craft which had been arranged for possible emergency use as a passenger compartment and it was into this compartment that i was allowed to step and from which i made this short test up that's the only portion i saw and it contained almost nothing of interest there were four seating arrangements we would probably call them chairs although they didn't particularly resemble anything that i had seen in the way of chairs before they had no flat surfaces at all they were continuously curved but when you deposited your body in them you wound up in an upright position and they were quite comfortable i don't know whether this indicates that the individuals for whom these chairs were designed were similar to us especially i do think that they were but not for that reason i think that a seal could have been put into one of these chairs and would have been quite comfortable and also would have wound up in an upright position

they were rather ingeniously curved so that almost any large animal that i know of could have fit into the aside from these four chairs and a lighting arrangement in the back there was nothing in this compartment at all now there's uh there's a brief description for you and i know we've got a lot of people who want to ask questions so let's try to get some more of these beeper calls through who is this speaking please mr clinton yeah bill clinton mr hunter i'd like to ask you about it well now let's uh let's let uh mr fry give an answer here to some of these things

okay well i have discussed this uh on a number of occasions uh at lengths of three or four hours

it requires about that length of time actually to really get into any one of these questions there are good and sufficient answers to almost all of these questions which will be accepted by almost anyone who hears them at length except that they just never enough time to are you doing one of your lectures uh soon again dan uh we'd be happy to give it a plug for you if you are is there one in the near future uh the only one i have scheduled at the moment is uh a service club lecture it's a rotary club in alhambra uh that's on the 24th i don't

know whether that will be open to the public probably not probably only the rotary we have been offered uh a 13-week program in by a tv station in douglas arizona his understanding

group and group has been offered free time 15 minutes for 13 weeks well now i got you off the track get back to answering bill clinton here i'm sorry um you uh you see actually the point is that it just takes too long to go through all of this well no i'll be glad to i'll be glad to to go into this at any length that we care to go but if we really get into it we aren't going to get any other questions perhaps we better perhaps we better pass on other things at least temporarily and if we've got some other calls bill have you any other questions

well if you are if you are in a situation like this many people have asked me why i didn't pry something off of the wall uh to use it to use the souvenir uh there are certain things which a person under that some of those circumstances just doesn't do when you are in a position where you are completely at the mercy of a being which you have never seen before and never even knew existed before you are in a situation where you are rather reticent about what you say rather careful about things you ask for in fact you don't ask for much of anything when you realize that your even your life hinges upon the whim of a being which you've never you've never met before you're

not in a position in which you don't do many of the things which might seem logical to someone who's never been in that position i can explain this best by asking an individual what he would save from his house if he suddenly woke in the middle of the night and found the whole house was in flame and asked him what any of you know he only had time to save one or two things what would he say and he will say well first i'd go get my bond box because that has most of my securities and i go back for my wife's jewelry if i had more time a fairly coherent list of the things that he would do if he actually does awaken in the middle of the night and find his house in flames you'll probably find him running out on the front lawn with a

[11:09] Development of the main themes

picture of old aunt minnie which is hung over the fireplace in which he's just said for years he's going to take back to the garage because he can't stand the sight of it under situations like this we just don't react and always react in a logical manner i'm no better than anyone else and there's probably many things i could have done and many things i should have done and things that i haven't taken myself ever since that i didn't do but the fact remains that i didn't do it well any other questions well yes the question of it is i want to talk about taking something off the wall we'd like to see some pictures of what's going on up there well as he says he just didn't think to ask for it well i don't know as a matter of fact i doubt whether they have motion pictures of the type that would fit our cameras our projectors anyway i'll tell you one thing for him he's the best guy that i've ever listened to getting around the question well bill i think he's probably heard

it before as have uh most of the people in this position the latest question she asked him he could he run around in circles i've got an open mind on it i don't know what the other plants inhabited but i just don't think he ever saw a spaceship the point the point is that if these questions were easy to answer if they had simple answers they wouldn't be asked in the first place because everyone would already understand the answer bill uh bill dan it does seem it does seem strange and not just in your experience in all experiences you know i've i've interviewed a great many uh so-called contactees of flying saucers and it does seem strange that none of them has ever come back with anything that could in the remotest sense be considered uh evidence that uh would hold up by any standards that we accept uh well here we come back again to the question of evidence and this is also something that always comes up and i asked repeatedly and this is something that nobody

knows what is evidence what is it that these people want how would they judge it if they saw it what is evidence it's easy to say bring some evidence there are people who have said they did have evidence all right i can i can answer that question but we're going to pause just a moment for a word from one of our sponsors and we'll be back don't you go away and don't forget to call us if you have a question mr dan fry thank you very much by the way uh any questions

or any comments that you ever have about anything you see on this program whether it's involving one of our guests one of our sponsors one of uh our phone calls or anything don't hesitate to write to us ben hunter kttv hollywood 28 and i'll see that your request whatever it is taken care of now a moment ago dan you wanted you said that nobody had been able to define evidence what evidence of an outer space flight might be well now if i were seeking evidence for an outer space flight let's let's eliminate your particular experience for a moment because it was a little unique but take some of these people that claim to have repeatedly contacted outer space beings and so forth i would think that one very definite piece of evidence would be an outer space being that because according to the various reports that i've read about them they seem to have certain powers that we don't have powers of telepathy powers of

walking through walls and i've heard of all kinds of things that they're supposed to be able to do that would be a good starter i would suggest that they um that uh one gain uh well now for instance if you and i sitting here talking on the television this thing were to come up and you'd say well um sam uh speak to ben hunter will you then a voice comes down you know uh this would be evident it would seem to me that on the other planets and particularly if they were technologically advanced so far ahead of us uh you could come up with uh some kind of an instrument that uh they'd had perfected whether it be an instrument for hunting or an instrument for flying their machines that we had never seen on this on this earth but so far as i know no one has ever come up with any of anything of that nature at all well so far as i know no one has come up with anything which has been accepted as being of that nature as far as a device which isn't similar to anything

that we have on earth today our little company of ourselves might control instruments for guided missiles and we come up about once a month with an instrument that no one would believe unless they saw it and about twice a year we come up with an instrument that people wouldn't believe if they did see it i could bring any one of these in here and say this was an extraterrestrial instrument no one except the other individual myself who had created the thing could disprove it might be evidence it wouldn't be proof many of these things that we think are proof aren't so far as uh calling to some being here and saying well manifest yourself this is this is the old uh saying

it goes clear back to biblical times show me a miracle and i will believe but uh history shows us history proves to us that even after the miracle is presented to people still don't believe because they don't want to in the first place they will find a means around it they will find some way of escape there isn't anything that can't be duplicated there isn't anything that can't be uh counterfeited to some extent or another so that none of these things are going to be absolute

[16:37] Questions and closing discussion

proof but it also assumes something which almost everyone assumes and that is that these beings are anxious for us to know that they exist i don't know whether they are or not i rather doubt it i can't think of any advantage that they could get they might be willing to give us a little information a little assistance and as a matter of fact i believe they have on a number of occasions it has to be it has to be accepted i mean information is no good unless it's acted on and it's very difficult to get technical information or knowledge or assistance from an individual whose existence you deny dan our time's running out and i want to get this other call on here let's see who this is who's speaking please oh this is mrs norton mrs norton yes i have a question for mr fry all righty first of all i'd like to know what m31 is m31 is a galaxy it is the galaxy approximately at the distance at which dr perry moon of

mit says that the gravitational field of the sun of our sun becomes zero that beyond that the gravitation becomes negative i've got to happen to have in my box here the cosmological constant and written by dr perry moon and domineer spencer which has this curve of gravitation which is identical with the description which i gave my previous book steps to the stars uh except the book steps the stars was published about five years before uh dr perry moons and he wrote me a letter congratulating me on it which i also had uh let me hear in fact i talked to him i went back flew back to new york last year late last year and talked about it this is norton where did you hear of m31 well my husband called about my husband writing a science fiction novel i believe it was last week and uh they had a picture of m31 i

couldn't quite understand what it was oh i see it's an island universe a galaxy well fine well thank you for your question yes and i got time for another question uh real quick one yes uh could you tell me please uh dr five do you have any idea what power is the spaceship a quick answer please

dan i'm sorry that's yes i have i have an idea uh as a matter of fact if you have the if you were to get the book adam's galaxy and understanding you'll find quite a lot about it in there although it doesn't really directly refer to as powering spaceships but it is a direct conversion of mass to energy without residue we are just beginning to learn how to do that now i think with another five or ten years most of the means of obtaining energy by nuclear efficient infusion that we're using now will be obsolete it's possible through the reverse of the reversing the polarity of a part of the matter to cause matter to completely to convert completely under energy without leaving any residue there's a quick answer for you mrs norton and the rest in his book i guess thank you so much thank you bye i'm sorry we had to rush that one because we could devote a whole program to that but i'm afraid our time is just about up

it's time for us to get to our contest uh dan i want to thank you again for allowing us and the audience to cross-examine you it's always interesting we always enjoy it whether we believe it or not and uh lots of luck to you and thanks so much for being with us well if at least a few people think that weren't thinking before it will have done some good anyway stick around if you like we're going to do a contest which i think you'll get quite a kick out of