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Undated Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Carol Honey

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [15:54] Carol Honey’s main address
• [44:10] Development of the main themes
• [01:12:26] Audience questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

number of years and i know that he has a tremendous message to give us tonight so with that i won't waste more moments we're 15 minutes late now mr honey where are you okay

first of all i want to explain a little bit what happened i gave a lecture in santa anna some time ago and we had a newspaper write-up and i sent some clippings in on this and mentioned that it would be a different lecture but this was the general type of advertising that had been put in the papers so as it turned out the lecture that i gave in santa ana was advertised to be presented here tonight so what i'm going to do is show three or four slides only from the film of that lecture and talk about them a little bit so that those that came on the strength of the advertisement won't feel disappointed and then i'll switch over to the other film strip and go through with it both of these films deal with uh objectivity and criticism and that's why it's the only educational treatment i've ever gotten relating to this subject, flying saucers and people from other planets, in regard to objects that date back as long ago as 40,000 years. Many people are not aware that there's written history available here on this Earth

that goes back over 100,000 years. Most scientists will tell you, or most people, that written history goes back to the time, perhaps, of early biblical times, in the days of Moses, about 6,000 years ago, at the farthest. But this is not true. Well, artifacts have been discovered that date, by methods that pinpoint them down to plus or minus 1,000 years, that date back to 300,000 years old and are artificially man-made. It's impossible to explain a lot of these things as anything but what they obviously are, because when you date something, for example, with a carbon dating machine, and you figure it says 10,000 years old, you know that this thing is somewhere between 9,800 years and 10,000 years old. 10,200 years old, at least. There's an error of that size in that number of years really is very insignificant. So one thing I would like to mention is that I don't claim to be an expert in this field or to know it all. There'll be a lot of things you might ask that I won't be able to answer. But it reminds me a little bit of the flying saucer contactee

who was put on the stand in court. And the main purpose, of course, was to test his sanity. People advised him to be very careful about what he said, to be very rational, to avoid all the subjects that people might think was a little bit way out, and make a real good impression. The man had a tremendous ego, which seems to be a problem here on this planet. One of the things that he was always bragging about was that he was tops in the field. So the first thing that happened was the lawyer gets him on the stand, and he says to him, he says, is it true that you are the best speaker in the flying saucer field, and you know the most on the subject, the best informed? And the man kind of wrinkles his brow a little bit and says, well, yes, he says it's true. So right off the bat, he lost the case. So when he finally gets home, his lawyer and his wife and everybody corners him, they jump all over him, and they say, what in the world did you just do that for? You ruined everything by the way you talked. And he says, what could I do?

I was under oath. So first of all, now I'm going to show you those three or four films. We're going to do this a little bit unorthodox in that I'm going to operate the projector myself, and you'll be more interested in seeing the pictures than you will be in seeing me. And I will talk from down there. So it will take a second here to move the screen in place and to set up the microphone, and we'll start in with those pictures I mentioned first.

Okay, may we have the lights out now, please?

I'm going to move right through the first part of this and show you the particular films that is of my main interest in the previous lecture.

This particular object was one of the objects that was mentioned. This is called, Porter del Sol, or Gate of the Sun. It's located in Peru in South America. This giant object weighs something like 8,000 tons. And the writing on here represents the Venusian calendar that was mentioned in newspaper clippings within the last two or three years that originated from Russia. They had archaeological expeditions by French and Russian teams in this area. The French technicians were archaeologists. The Soviet scientists were radio astronomers. Now, the thing that was odd about this was the fact that radio astronomers were called in to examine this figure. You'll find that pictures, drawings, and quite an explanation on this exist in the books on the continent of Mu by Colonel Churchwood, in which he describes the meanings of many of these symbols. This object here is dated at about 40,000 B.C. by some people, and it can be set back to at least 14,000 B.C. by records which are, pretty much verifiable. I'm going to show you a close-up

of some of these drawings, or carvings, I should say. Now, this release came from the French government from their archaeologists, in which they said that this particular diagram represented the ion-solar space engine as developed by the American Association of Aeronautics Hughes in California, which is their quaint way of saying Hughes Aircraft Company, of course, in California. This translation, and I'll go into it, into this briefly, as how they arrived at this, becomes very meaningful when I compare this to writings of Churchwood. If you have read the Lost Continent of Mu or any of the books of Colonel Churchwood, then you realize the background that this man had and his qualifications for deciphering symbols. Now, when you combine his knowledge of symbols and his meanings of symbols with this diagram, it ties in with both the Russian claims in regard to many of these drawings being a calendar of Venus, and also the French claims, that this depicts a solar engine for spaceflight. Now, I may come back to this in a minute,

but briefly I'm going to go on now and show you the other one. This one here was a blueprint, this is just part of it, of a Venusian calendar, and the periods of time represented here correspond to the latest readings by our radio telescopes on the planet Venus as to its rotation and the length of its day. It represents, when you look at the entire figure, it represents 10 Venusian years and two leap years. Everything agrees 100% as if it was a calendar for the planet Venus. And this is dated as far back as 40,000 B.C. by these archaeologists. And according to Colonel Churchwood's writings and all, we can date it back to at least 16,000 years ago. Now, here is a drawing that depicts the one aspect of this space engine. And I found one thing very interesting today by accident. I made up some notes in regard to this so that I could refer to those. When I talked to you, and somewhere other than the building tonight, I've misplaced them. So I'm going to see if I can get... These pictures are actually twice the size of an American frame of 35 millimeter film,

so I'll try and center the main part I want to show. First of all, notice the left-hand corner. This looks like a rocket, either on a launching pad or in flight. And you can see the two circles with a circle within a circle. You can see the funnel, the light device off to the right, and then a black dot in the center of a white circle up in the black area. And then over to the left in the top is a white object again. Now, on the right-hand side in the middle is an oblong square that stands vertical. In Colonel Churchwood's book, this square, or anything that was an oblong square in these writings, and this goes with any ancient writings that predate the Incas and the Aztecs, was a symbol for Mu, or Motherland. The symbol down below, where it has sort of a triangle below a circle, and then the object like a feather sticking down below, signified the destruction of the lost continent of Mu, or the sinking of these continents, and of Atlantis and so on, down into the depths. Now, the French archaeological team here,

about four years ago, decided from their interpretation that this was representing an ion engine, and of course this is just part of the symbols. Now, let's assume for a moment that they knew enough to determine and interpret these things right and compare them with what Colonel Churchwood had in his books. This is something I more or less accidentally discovered today in checking through Churchwood's books and using his meanings on this particular drawing. The circle within a circle that the rocket seems to be heading for is the symbol for suns, or sun, in this case, suns. So the obvious conclusion here is a rocket that's heading for the suns, and we have the path of a trajectory of launch indicated, and then out in the darkness, the outer space, we have more suns, we have planetary bodies, and so on, depicted. And according to the Churchwood symbols, then we have two suns and a trajectory out into a black void where are other worlds. So when these technicians say this is an ion engine, it could very easily have been a way

that the ancients tried to show people escaping from the planet as it underwent its earthquakes and tremors, and as the continent sunk, escaping to Venus. And the Venusian calendar and the Venusian symbols and things along with this ties the whole thing in to where the whole picture makes sense, and this never quite made sense before. It still doesn't prove a thing, of course. It's strictly a theory, but there's quite a few things there to be quite thought-provoking. Incidentally, this figure is also from that same area in Peru. It dates back to the same period of time, and it shows a man with features that are strangely, unlike those of the inhabitants that were supposed to be in that area, wearing what appears to be a space helmet. I'll comment real briefly on this. This was found in a cave in the Sahara Desert at quite high elevation in the mountains and was drawing a huge drawing of a figure with one eye in the center, of course, everything that you see here. And this relates to the modern-day spacesuits in that the one eye could easily be taken for a faceplate,

but the thing that's interesting is the patches across the top of the head are almost exact, in correspondence to the pressure patches that are in the top of these suits that the astronauts wear. These are to prevent pressure blowout and things along this order. Now, there's, here's again some of those reproductions of drawings that was in those particular caves, and they call them roundheads. Here's another drawing, and it's compared to the spacesuit. And, of course, this is, now, I might mention this. These films were made by the Dutch government for showing in their school system. I have one set of films made by the Dutch government that includes all of the photographs of George Adamski, as well as some of the other information that we had. And, of course, at that time, I was working with Mr. Adamski as a partner, so I was more or less in on the making of these. We supplied the photographs. The Dutch government supplied the money and made up these films. There's three of these all together. And this is a European spacesuit.

It is not similar to the American style, but this is the type you would probably find in France or in Holland, somewhere along that order. And they're comparing it to this. They're showing, again, figures from Japan. I want to go down, now, to the... Okay, here's a reproduction from this cave. They show the roundhead to the left, this strange figure on the right, amongst the animals and the hunters and the normal-type cave drawings that you would find in these ancient tunnels and so on. But these figures are strangely out of place. There's no correspondence to anything that these people knew back in those days. And you have to realize that even their conception of gods and things like this was based upon things that they had seen with their own eyes and didn't understand. In Italy, a man encountered a space being whom he drew in this manner. He was having antennas and earphones and things along this order on his head, according to his description. And they compare that to this drawing that was back in this cave.

And, of course, I say this particular film is the subject of about a one-hour-and-a-half lecture, so I don't want to get too wrapped up in it. We'll never get to the other one. This was one of the other ones. This is the Baalbek Terraces in Lebanon. This is in the same general... well, under the same general circumstances as Sodom and Gomorrah findings by archaeologists who have discovered that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by an atomic explosion. There's radioactive debris and man-made bits of metal and things like this in the area that have been uncovered. And strangely enough, the Dead Sea Scrolls have backed this up in that it was visitors from space who came in a ship that exploded. Based upon known information now, it seems like that the space visitors had trouble with the reactor that they were using in the ship in these primitive days thousands of years ago. And knowing that it was going to explode, it was out of control and no way they could stop it, they tried to warn the inhabitants to leave the town or they'd be destroyed.

And according to the biblical legend that results, only Lot and his wife and a few of his family escaped. And she turned and looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt. Now, the interesting thing about this is that in checking back in the ancient manuscripts, in the actual original biblical manuscripts, and based on modern knowledge of these ancient languages, the translation, the pillar of salt was a mistranslation and actually can be interpreted two ways that are legitimate according to the scholars. And either one of these is very interesting. Now, the first one is that she became barren or sterile. And the second one is that she turned into ash or ashes of a chemical which is, well, it's salt in nature or it's salty. I don't know how to describe it necessarily to the layman, but what it amounts to is the type of residue that was left in Hiroshima and Nagasaki when we dropped the atomic bombs. There was quite a few individuals who were literally burnt to a crisp so that only the salty ashes were left in the figure of a human

or in some cases this figure was burnt right into the walls of the concrete buildings that remain and things along this order. So either translation of this makes sense according to modern-day knowledge of atomics. Now, this particular area is believed by two different scientists in the world who are very prominent in their field. The only unfortunate thing about it is they're both Russian scientists, so this means a lot of people would discount what they say. But they believe that this is the remnant of an old launching pad for spaceships, and they base this on the fact that all around this area is radioactive beryllium isotopes. And these things are residue from atomic power plants. They are strictly man-made. They are not found in nature, at least not as far as any scientist knows it to this day. And yet here they are in this area. They call a lot of these things tektites. You've probably heard of this. Some astronomers and even many pseudo astronomers on television will try and tell you

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that tektites came from the moon and so on. But this has been pretty well disproven, especially since tektites have been created, the exact duplicate, in the underground explosions in Nevada. And, of course, if they fell from the moon, they wouldn't have wound up down underground in Nevada in areas that previously had none. After an explosion, there they are. So this area was loaded with beryllium isotopes, radioactive, that originated from atomic explosions. This, again, is part of the Baalbek Terraces. This is one of the stones that went into this area. This particular stone was left in the quarry, 2 million kilos. This is about 4, this is about 2,200 tons. This is a rock that is so heavy that no modern equipment known to man could move it into place. And yet, these terraces are built with giant blocks of this matter. Some of them are in walls 30 feet off the ground. They've been ground into place against one another to such precision that a razor blade cannot be inserted. Some of them can be inserted between them.

It's about like the work in the Great Pyramid. And you'll find that the date on the origin of these things date back at the same time as the Great Pyramid. The date on the building of the Great Pyramid predates the Egyptian civilization by quite some time. It's approximately 14,000 B.C. also, and was built at about the time that the destruction ended in Mu. Now, you'll find that in studying a lot of these ancient records, that Egypt was colonized by two separate tribes, one that came in from the north and one from the south, one from Atlantis and one from Mu. And these people were, you might say, escapees from the disaster. So this is one of those giant rocks weighing about 2,200 tons. Now, I'm going to breeze through here real fast. Here's a description from the Bible taken from Ezekiel, where four objects come down on land and four beings get out that have the likeness of a man. Ezekiel 1.10 says it's for the likeness of the faces, the forehead, the face of a man, the face of a lion on the right side, and they four had the face of an ox on the left side.

The four also had the face of an eagle. This causes a lot of confusion. If you look at that, which is just a drawing based upon what this just says, then take a look at this and see what it says to you. Now, obviously, these people that got out of these things were human like us, because if you believe in the Scripture at all, it says that they were men. And yet, if they had all of these four heads and everything that some people try to talk about and everything like this, they obviously couldn't look like men. Also, you say, well, what about the verse that says they had feet of a calf or they had calves' feet? If you check the old original version of this or the old manuscripts and translate them correctly, all it's saying is that they had moccasins made of cowhide. Now, they brought Gulliver's travels into that mainly because he made predictions as to moons of Mars that existed. He gave their dimensions. He gave their speeds, their orbit, so on, everything like this. About 20 years later or so, when these things were discovered for the first time,

they were so close to what he said that a lot of people started wondering, well, how did he know? You know, they figured that maybe he had a contact with space people. Now, these are articles that were taken from newspapers. I took these out of Anaheim paper, well, off the stand in Anaheim. It wasn't Anaheim papers. Sent these over to Holland. They incorporated them in this film. And this was based on the fact that scientists have conclusive mathematical proof. Now, those that believe in exact sciences, like, for example, physics is supposed to be an exact science in many cases, law of gravity and so on, which we can argue with on a few points. But mathematics, for example, is exact. And according to mathematics, you can positively prove that the moons of Mars have to be artificial satellites. I don't have time at the moment to go into that. That's all part of this other lecture. Cyrano de Bergeac, he wrote about many things, including people from other planets, three-stage rockets going out into outer space and all sorts of things that are not supposed to have been discovered until very recently.

So I think now that what we'll do, we might show this real quick. A lot of you heard of Project Osma, where we beamed a message into space. This was beamed with a binary code through a method of telemetry in which they sent pulses. A pulse would indicate a one, and no pulse would indicate a zero. All this was in a certain relation to time. Now, if you check the pulses that they sent, anybody that picked them up and recorded them would get a figure like this. Obviously, this would be man-made, and it would show them that this was intelligence that was sending these signals. Up there where it says one, zero, zero, zero, one, one, one, zero, zero, zero, and so on. If you look down here, each black square represents a one, so the top line then is one, zero, zero, zero, one, one, one, and so on. When these things are transmitted, if they're recorded and put together similar to the Mars photographs, you come up with a figure, and this was to represent intelligence behind the signals. Now, if I could have the lights again for a moment, we'll switch to the other film.

Now, I want to get my notes before we start this, because there's quite a few scientific bits of information, and I want to be correct on it. I don't want to trust memory, so I hope you'll bear with me. As I say, I'm unorthodox in a lot of ways, and this is one of them, very unprofessional. I try to deal with facts as often as possible, and when I speculate, I try and indicate so. Okay, we can have the lights off again.

Okay, this lecture is going to journey back to about 12,000, 14,000 years ago into South America. This particular book was written, by a French archaeologist, it was called The Sun of the Sun, Sons of the Sun, and it details his recent discoveries in a region in the Amazons, which prove that people from other planets were here about 14,000 years ago. Now, some of this information that didn't particularly make sense to him at that time came into startling significance later on with George Adamski, and I'll show you how this ties in a few minutes. Again, these slides are twice the size, of an American slide. So I show you the top half, and we have to move down and show you the bottom half. This is one of those unfortunate things. This is a picture of Professor Homay and his dog. He is the gentleman that made these discoveries. We'll show you photographs of some of the things he discovered, and some of it is absolutely amazing. Notice the dog looks very intelligent. Okay, this is a map of the expedition of Homay during 1949 and 1950.

Now, if you notice the dotted line, and I'll show you a little better diagram here of this. I think I can even find a better one than that somewhere in here. Well, we'll go on to this. Okay. This, of course, is the Pedra Pentata. A lot of you may have heard of it. I wanted to refer to these notes to get the exact dimensions. It's 100 feet high. It's 330 feet long. It's 260 feet wide. It's on an immense plain, and on its surface there's over 625 square feet of inscriptions. Now, scientists say that these are all undeciphered, but you can translate every one of them by using the alphabet of the last continent of Mu as given by Churchwood in these books. You'll be surprised how much you can make out of ancient languages that have been mistakenly believed to be Aztec or Inca by following these books. Now, the interesting thing about this, this is a skull-shaped cave. Professor Homay calls it the Stone Book of Atlantis, and this is one of the remnants of Atlantis, as was the Baalbek Terraces, and some of these other things I've shown you.

They predated the so-called Adam and Eve civilization. Here's a cross-section of this rock. Inside are caverns and tunnels and passageways similar to the Great Pyramid in Egypt. Professor Homay found these caves in here in the caverns by accident, and they had a terrific storm during the period of his expedition, and he slept inside of here one night. And while he was in there, he had either a dream or a vision or a psychic experience or some sort of an experience in which he saw what appeared to be the ghosts of many of the inhabitants of the past going through blood-curdling rites and savages that left him very much in fear and trembling and in quite an experience when he woke up. Now, here are some of the symbols that he found on this rock. He took photographs of these and put them in his book. They didn't have any significance to him at all until one day later on when he came across this. George Adamski's book, Flying Saucers Have Landed. And in comparing the symbols that George Adamski received from the man from Venus with these,

there's startling similarity, and I'll show you that. Okay, here's the two sets of symbols. The one on the bottom is George Adamski's. The one on the top is the one off of this rock. And this, of course, dates back 10,000 to 12,000 years, according to Homay. And he states in signed affidavits that the writing had no significance to him whatsoever until he saw very similar writings and symbols in Adamski's book. Somewhere, I think, I have a translation of that in English. Okay, George Adamski, of course, received his symbols on November 20, 1952, and was told they were not for immediate translation. There's been several translations made of these since. None of them agree, and there's no way of verifying any of them, of course. And some of them have real good messages. Some of them are technical. And, of course, we have no proof that any of them are correct. Here's some more of the symbols of Adamski, the footprints. The symbols are the same type of symbols that were found on these ancient rocks that date back 14,000 years old.

And, of course, many of you may have saw the plaster casts that were made of these symbols. Here, again, is reproduction of the symbols that were found on these rocks. I said there was over 650 square feet of symbols carved on the rock. And many of these symbols give the story of the sinking of the lost continent of Atlantis and of the escape of people into lands to the east and west and into space. Here, again, are some more. You'll find that a lot of this language is the basis for the ancient Chaldean language, for the actual origin of many of the symbols of the ancient Greek alphabet. You'll find that practically all of the modern known languages have a basis back to these days and to these symbols.

This particular thing here is a document that was given according to the claims of the individual who received them by a spaceman who stepped out of a flying saucer that landed. This was a young boy. And, okay, it looks like I goofed up already. This particular one is the inscription found on a piece of earthenware on the island of Marheio in the mouth of the Amazon River. This is one of Professor Homay's. He says, I don't know if it means anything from the standpoint of Adamski. Okay, the next picture, then, must be the message from Mars received by a boy in the city of Sao Paulo, Brazil in 1959. Okay, this is it. Now, this particular symbols are very similar to the others. This is one of the reasons they include them in this film. This was in May of 1959. May of 1959, when in the outskirts of the town, the boy watched a flying saucer land and a man step out. He handed the boy a slip of paper saying, go and find us someone who can read these characters. We shall know what to do next. A mysterious message, but not so mysterious

if one hears the explanation given to us by the space people whom Adamski met. These people said the spaceship that landed near Sao Paulo was a Martian ship, and its crew were scientists looking for the remains of a one-time Martian colony on Earth. They were hoping to find someone who could read the characters, which were written in an old regional script of Mars. Then they would have contacted that person for further information. This is a reproduction. Of course, I can't read it. Maybe someone in the audience can. We have English translation here as part of it. These are statements made by Homay. Here's the English about his book, which gives documentary proof of the fact that ancient civilizations on Earth certainly possessed and used flying machines of some sort. Now, I'll give you positive proof here in a minute, that at least 6,000 years ago, some type of flight existed. It's good scientific proof that you can put in your hands. This, again, is his statement in regard to these symbols and the things he found,

some of this information that I've just told you. This particular thing here came from a book out of the Middle Ages, when strange disks appeared over town and frightened all the inhabitants. It's a reproduction of an old etching from the year 1566 showing black flying disks over the city of Basel, Switzerland. This was found in old archives of the town city hall. It's included just to show you that flying saucers were among us even 400 years ago, causing panic among the ignorant people, just as they do today. There was no panic among the knowing people who greeted them as friends in the gray past. Now, those of you who have read some of the books that my particular organization has had over the years would be very interested in statements made, for example, in Flying Saucers Have Landed, which was published back in 1953, a translation of documents from the old archives in France. These documents were written back during the time of King Charlemagne and the Duke of Grimaldi and a lot of these ancient, well, history characters that you read about.

They kept fairly good history records, and there's records of over 100,000 people being put to death for consorting with what they called demons of the air. And they described these demons of the air. They came down in ships that hovered above the ground. They let down rope ladders. Anyone that was seen to go up and talk to them or come back or have anything to do with them at all were burned at the stake as witches consorting with demons of the air. And you'll find that, according to their records, there was over 100,000 people met death for consorting with these people in these flying machines. A translation of some of these documents appears in that particular book, Flying Saucers Have Landed. I brought down about 10 copies tonight for those that don't have them, would like to have it. Okay, this particular picture here, according to the man who took it, is a picture of a pilot of a flying saucer from Mars who stands over six feet tall. And according to his story, he was refused permission to take pictures

and he waited until the man turned his back and started backing the ship and then he took the pictures. And of course, we have no way of verifying any of this. This particular individual disappeared a few months afterwards. He's never been heard from. Nobody's ever been able to find out what happened to him. These pictures came out of the book, Flying Saucers from Mars by Cedric Allingham. Here's a drawing and some of the photographs that he made at that time. And you'll find that this occurred back around 1953 or 4. Let's see. 55, I've forgotten now the exact date, but this was back in the early days when the only pictures in existence were those of George Adamski. And you'll find that these pictures correspond very, very closely to those that Adamski took. This is a clipping from down Australia-New Zealand way.

They had a very prominent sighting in which four figures were seen to be walking about on top of a flying saucer that was hovering and they were working on it as if they were repairing it. Now, the report was made by a Father Gill from the mission. Along with some of the native boys from the mission of the Angelical Church in that area. These people were very religious people who were not prone to tell lies. Of course, this is a picture of Father William B. Gill. They said that these particular individuals waved back at them when some of the native boys waved at them. Needless to say, quite a few of these natives were very much scared to death at this. The little lines around it represent a kind of a blue hazy glow that existed all around the ship from the force field. This was back in early 1959 and published around, well it's July, October, November I believe was probably the issue of the newsletter that they took this out of. This is a map showing the area of the sightings and on the bottom is the picture taken during a lecture

by Father Gill in which he described what they had seen. This is a map of this particular area which shows other sightings that were made on the same day and in the same general location and a plot of the course. There was quite a few other reports of this object on that particular day. Here again is a drawing depicting the people waving back. Okay, now this particular, this picture on the left top

shows Peter Browning. I haven't the faintest idea who Peter Browning was. Pointing out an object as described by a sighting that came out of Europe, I believe. Now the one on the right top, of course, you'll recognize is one of those taken by George Adamski through his telescope. And the one on the bottom is Peter Browning. The one on the bottom is another Angelican priest discussing these flying saucer sightings that occurred down in that area. This, I don't know why they included it, but it only amounts to the bill on the lecture that was given in that area in regard to these sightings. Brisbane, Australia, September the 6th. They don't give the date. Okay, they had a tremendous sighting back there in those days. This was 1961 on June the 6th. The astronomers said that all these people saw was the planet Venus. It just happened that a photograph was taken of the thing in the lower right-hand corner, and of course in the upper left-hand corner was the planet Venus. They had absolute positive proof that people

were not seeing Venus. This is a blow-up. They made a blow-up of that particular area, and you can see the distinct saucer shape starting to show up. I say these pictures were put together under money and financing and backing of the Dutch government. And they're used as an educational program in Holland. There are also, I've had reports, I haven't been able to verify them yet, that New Zealand was going to use them also. Okay, this particular picture is the Coniston saucer. I think most of you have become familiar with this. 15 February 1954, when this 13-year-old son of a doctor, Stephen Darbyshire, took this photograph in England. Orthographic projection comparing this picture with George Adamski's pictures proved positively the genuineness of both, and I'll show you how that was done. This was a reproduction of a statement by the Duke of Edinburgh. And statements by Lord Dowding in regard to flying saucers. Lord Dowding, of course, was a believer. And here's a blow-up of that particular photograph. A lot of people question the fact that a lot of these photographs

are foggy and indistinct. This is one of the things that you generally have if the picture is genuine. Now, one reason why George Adamski's pictures were so good was the fact that the pictures were taken through a telescope, and he was quite some distance away. The cameras that were up close were so close they were in the field of the ship, and the force field will fog the film negative, similar to X-rays, and it'll give you this out-of-focus effect. If you see extremely clear photographs of flying saucers, nine times out of ten, they were faked. Okay, here's the Adamski saucer photograph in the left top. At the bottom is a Coniston saucer, and this is what's known as an orthographic projection. This compares ratios. It compares the different angles and curves and things along this saucer that's taken at one angle. You'll notice that George Adamski's flying saucer is at a different angle than the other one. When they compare the ratios between the height of the dome, the position of the flange, and all of this sort of thing,

they will come out 100% in correspondence. Now, what this proves is that this boy could not have looked at Adamski's pictures, which had come out about that same time. He could not have looked at these pictures and then built an object or an outline and took a picture of it and had these lines, this orthographic projection correspond, because it would be impossible on a two-dimensional picture to give the three-dimensional characteristics that the orthographic projection shows. So what this really proved was that both of these were genuine objects and that they were the same object. So this boils down to one other statement, and that is if Adamski's picture was a fake, then whatever he took the picture of was sent to England and this kid took a picture of the same thing, which, of course, gets very improbable as you go on. So this is good scientific proof for those of the engineering background that want to see something that's concrete, that proves that George Adamski's picture was not taken of a model, but was actually a physical ship.

Some of these things I don't think are too important in this day and age. These are statements by Lord Dowding and so on about his belief in flying saucers. This was an article that appeared in the Flying Saucer Review in regard to the UFO fleets that were over Washington, D.C. in 1952. Now, those of you who have seen this article, seen the movie UFO, which has been on television in this area quite a few times, will see pictures in that film that this refers to. I'll show you here real quick. This was the radar screen of the radar tracking. Now, this, of course, is the movie screen. These particular pictures are fakes. In other words, this is the Hollywood production that relates this particular story, but the story is true. The incidents really happened, and the radar of the various airports picked these up, and this faithfully depicts what did occur. I want to say again that these particular photographs were not made of the radar screen at the actual time that the incident occurred. This is the movie version. This is a plot on a polar projection

of the flight of these objects. Quite a few of these things would probably be left out of a film if it was made up today. These particular films are quite old. This was a new book at the time by Mark K. Jessup in regard to UFO unidentified flying objects. Mark K. Jessup is another man in this field who died under circumstances that are odd enough to where a lot of people question whether it was suicide or some people think it was murder. There's all sorts of weird things going on. There's been quite a few personalities that have passed on under mysterious circumstances. Most of you remember in the late George Adams, who passed away in April of this year, was in the hospital three times on the same day, and on the first two occasions, they couldn't find anything wrong with him, so they turned him loose. The third time he came in and he died there, and they never did find out what was wrong. The last report I had was that an autopsy was being performed. I never heard any results, so I don't know what happened or what the results were.

All I know is he was cremated and buried in Arlington National Cemetery. This relates to a story that happened, of course, back in those years again. Most of these things refer back to 1952, 1954, 1955, and so on. This film itself is two or three, four years old. This was a mystery ship that was seen over Labrador. These pictures represent the descriptions by various witnesses. This is something now that, again, is this physical proof that's hard to discount. Many of you have heard of the Perry-Reese map. This is a photograph of this map, which was found in archives in, I'm not sure at the moment, I think it was the Smithsonian Institute, but it was something that had been lost for many, many years. They shook the dust off of it, and they started comparing it. This is a map of North and South America, and it shows Greenland and Antarctica. Now, you're not going to recognize very many features, and the reason you won't is that the projection that was used in laying out this map was different than the one we use in our maps today.

Now, most of you know that a map is drawn different than what the land would appear on a globe. They call this a Mercator projection, for example, the typical map we see of the United States. And they have various types of projections. Now, I'm not sure whether you understand exactly what I mean. If you don't, then in the question and answer session, I'll try and illustrate on the blackboard what I'm talking about. But what this amounts to is if you translate this particular projection into the Mercator projection that we use today on our maps, then this faithfully gives you the North and South American coastline. It gives you the land masses under the ice cap of Antarctica and under the ice cap of Greenland, which were only discovered in the IGY year of 58-59, and yet they're on a map here that's 5,000 years old. This map could only have been made by aerial survey. It's absolutely impossible for it to have predicted as accurately as it did the coastlines and especially the land masses underneath this ice without aerial survey and scientific knowledge

as great at least as ours today. This is something that's been examined, this particular map. I have the names in my briefcase of the men in the Navy Hydrographic Office that examined this, the various scientists who have examined it, and there is no doubt as to its authenticity. Now, as I say, these particular films were made at the time George Adamski and I were working together, and a lot of the pictures were supplied by us. This particular picture was thrown in. This is Senator Margaret Chase Smith, and the reason they put this in this film was that she interviewed George Adamski at least once and perhaps more, but at least once. She read quite a bit of the material that we were preparing at that time for the third book, Flying Saucers Farewell, and so they're making a little story of this for the European audience. This is, of course, a picture of George Adamski with a movie camera with which he took his motion pictures of flying saucers. Some of you may have been privileged to see those. And one scene, the ship is close enough

you can make out the big dome as the thing is in flight. A lot of them are small lights in motion similar to other film that's been taken, but in this one case you could actually see the physical metallic ship. It was one of the best pictures I've ever seen in movies. It's interesting to know now that the Navy Department in San Diego, the Navy has 40,000 feet of flying saucer film. Many, many, many, many feet of this shows flying saucers in better detail than even Adamski's pictures. And most of these are motion pictures taken through gun cameras of fighter planes, and the entire 40,000 feet is classified secret as far as release goes. Some of these things, now of course the one on the right is the Adamski saucer as we've labeled it. A lot of these on the left are descriptions that have been passed on by witnesses,

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and a lot of these things were taken from several Air Force files. The drawings that they have in their report. This again comes from the Air Force reports. Project Blue Book, for example, shows these drawings. This was a very interesting cartoon that appeared in Europe. The translation reads, Don't you think you're doing it the hard way as the Earthman goes by on a Pioneer rocket. That was drawn by Wilbert B. Smith, another saucer figure who is also dead. Seems like a lot of these guys kicked off. Okay, due to the fact that we were running behind in time and so on, I rushed through this probably a little more than I should, but we can discuss many of these things in greater detail and answer pertinent questions that you may have. It's now 20 minutes to 10, so the time has passed quite fast. We'll have that little intermission and then come back to the question and answer session.

I said he was in the hospital three times in one day, and then he died and they didn't know what caused it.

The two here that came up,

let's see what kind of questions you're asking. Yes, those are the only two so far. These are good ones. Yes, they are. You know, we have that one asked every blessed meeting. I'll give them some good scientific stuff on that real fast. Oh, I love your line. My, you know your subject. I'm afraid I rushed things that you said.

We're an audience. So many times,

half of them leave. Some of them have to. We got rid of a few. Oh, we got rid of a few, huh? By them asking you in person, huh? Is that it?

We always have.

Best.

Let's come to order, folks. Everyone get their seat. Let's come to order.

Very fine audience. There are many returning for the questions and answers. You must be interested. Attention, please. Is there anyone here who would, who goes to downtown Los Angeles from here tonight who would take a lady who lives down there? Is there anyone here who would take a lady to downtown Los Angeles tonight from here? Who? Would you take a lady with you? She'd appreciate it very much. Where is the lady? Mrs. Cornelius. Thank you. Take good care of her for us. We appreciate it. Okay, let's have your questions written.

I wonder if this little girl down here with the pretty blue socks would come up here and choose the tickets. Would you like to do that?

A pretty name. Okay. You stand there with me.

Pull one out.

They have a number on them and you'll draw a ticket out of the basket and then you give it to me and I'll call the number off. Whatever number is on there. See the number there? And then that number may get somebody one of these book prizes. See how they work it? Well, see the number here? You go to school, don't you? See? Can you read that number? Oh, same thing. Yeah, sure. Okay. Alright, get your tickets, folks. We have a very generous donation of our speaker's books tonight. Number one prize is a five dollar book and a marvelous book. The Hidden Channels of the Mind by Dr. Ryan of Duke University. Not by him, by his wife. And he writes the foreword. That's a wonderful book.

Is that your ticket? Oh, okay. We have a little young visitor tonight. Her name is Ton and she's gonna draw the tickets for us. Okay, one ticket. And the number is 077139. 077139. Who's the lucky one? 077139. Well, that person left, I guess. Is that the number? And she asked you to take care of it for her? Do you know her name? Doesn't give the name, though.

Oh, they're both his. Mr. Charles Wakely of Glendale. He had to leave, but he asked our friend here to take care of it for him. So, we have to give him the book.

Okay, now another one.

077157. Well, our visitor from Detroit has it. And she will receive Mr. Honey's book, The Origins of This World's Religions. I wish I was the lucky one. Mrs. Galloway of Detroit, Michigan, visiting us. Right, Ton? Another one?

Dig way down, Ellie. You know it isn't yours, huh?

077088. Kind of a poetic number. 077088. No? Okay. Draw another one. 077045. And this gentleman receives Mr. Honey's newsletter for 1964. What is your name? Mr. Blair Williams. Got the right number? Okay. Good for you. And we still have two more. Shut your eyes and just take one. Just take one. 077037. 037. No 037? Yes, sir. Okay. And your name? Mr. Patterson receives Understanding Unit magazine for this month.

077133. 133. This lady receives the latest issue of Cosmic Star newspaper. Your name? Mrs. Livingston. Thank you.

Our first time here. Let's give all these folks a good hand. Okay, the first question that I have here tonight is one that's asked by the audience in every lecture, by every lecturer. Is there a... Well, okay, that's the second one. I'll ask the second one first. I prepared some material that George Adamskin and I published in 1958 that covers this subject. I'll read you excerpts of it. I'll send this to you free of charge anyone that sends me a stamped envelope and requests it. And this is one of the little question and answer booklets that came out back at that time. It's question and answer booklet number four. And in here, in the back, it gives you the reason. Now, what it amounts to is this. The Air Force keeps the flying saucer secret and they have no choice, and I'll tell you why. In 1951, the Joint Army-Navy Chiefs of Staff at that time issued a bulletin called JANAP-146B. This means JNAP. Pronounced JNAP means Joint Army-Navy Air Publications. It was issued, as I said, September 51, declassified per DA message dated 12 December 1953.

Under Section 111, any pilot who reveals an official UFO report can be imprisoned for 1 to 10 years and fined up to $10,000 under Title 18 of U.S. Code 793. Second order carries court martial penalties. Okay, each of the services drew up their own documents based on this document. For example, the Air Force issued AFR 200-2, and this stands for Air Force Regulation. This was issued on August 26, 1953. It was signed by Secretary of the Air Force Harold E. Talbot. Under paragraph 9, called Release of Facts, only hoaxes, practical jokes, and erroneous UFO reports can be given to the public or press. All genuine UFO reports received by the Air Force must be kept from the public. Under AFR 200-2, all confirmed flying saucer reports must be rushed to intelligence by teletype or radio. When possible, all tangible evidence must be flown immediately to Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, Ohio, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Okay, here's the tangible evidence. One, photos of flying saucers, actual or suspected. Two, photos of radar scopes showing

saucer maneuvers and speeds. And three, genuine pictures of flying saucers. Now this means that if a genuine picture of a flying saucer is submitted to the Air Force and they can examine it and prove that it's genuine, it's immediately classified it cannot be told to the public. So this means that you're not going to get the story on anything genuine. It further provides that all these only hoaxes and erroneous reports to the public. So this means that every time the Air Force comes out and releases something, they're bound to say either it's a joke, it's a hoax, it's an illusion, it's something else. This is $10,000 and 10 years in jail if they don't. AFR 200-2 confines actual UFO investigation to three super-secret groups. The Directorate of the Air Force Intelligence at the Pentagon, the 4602nd Air Intelligence Service Squadron, which has spatial investigators at all air defense bases, and ATIC, which is Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, Ohio. Even top-ranking Air Force officers are warned not to probe beyond the first stage,

that of securing UFO reports from these three groups. Okay, now, under subhead, abbreviated service, CIRVIS, JNAP 146, again going back to the Joint Chiefs of Staff document, orders pilots to report by radio UFO reports from any spot in the world. By the security clause, however, anyone who makes a service report or learns what one contains is forbidden even to reveal its existence. This order, backed by fines and imprisonment, applies to military, naval, and airline pilots making service reports on UFOs. In addition, it muzzles all members of the Defense Department, Civil Aeronautics Administration, the Civil Aeronautics Board, and any other agency involved with service reports. Okay, even you as a private citizen could be prosecuted if you revealed information that you learned from one of these radio reports. In other words, once it hits the service radio network from then on a secret, it doesn't make any difference whether you're a civilian or who you are, you're in trouble. There are photocopies available of these various documents.

Okay, the Navy issued the same document, same type of document, under PRNC 3820.1, Code 03, issued July 23, 1954, by the Potomac River Naval Command and signed by Admiral T.B. Hill. And this is substantially the Navy's version, then, of this Air Force document. And it lists seven different reporting areas to send in the reports, like the Air Technical Intelligence Center again and these various places. Okay, the Marines, of course, Coast Guard, and all these different areas have their own documents based on this Joint Chiefs of Staff document. On February 5, 1958, new instructions to ensure secrecy on UFO developments were issued to all Air Force commands. The orders are contained in a revised seven-page edition of Air Force Regulation 200-2, the official Bible on UFOs. Following are key censorship points from page 4, paragraph 9. Quote, information regarding the sighting may be released to the press or the general public by the commander of the Air Force Base concerned only if it has been positively identified as a familiar or known object.

If the sighting is unexplainable or difficult to identify because of insufficient information or inconsistencies, the only statement to be released is the fact that the sighting is being investigated and information regarding it will be released at a date or late. Later date, boy. I got my tongue over my eye tooth and I couldn't see what I was saying. To continue the quote, if investigative action has been completed, the fact that the results of the investigation will be submitted to ATIC for review and analysis may be released. Further inquiry should be referred to the local office of information services. And it may interest you to know that requests to this office are always denied. Okay, the Air Force has another censorship memorandum, Air Force Regulation 200-9. It's a classified title and details are not even known. That's classified because the Joint Chiefs of Staff decided that it should be secret. Now, you'd have to ask these men why they decided this, but this explains why the Air Force kept them secret.

Well, I can give you a lot of the reasons, but some of these reasons are more fantastic to people than the existence of flying saucers. It used to be that one of the main reasons was panic. And I don't believe this holds true anymore because I think people are getting space-minded to a point to where the idea of somebody out there isn't as startling and astounding and everything as it used to be. But there's quite a few things to look at and we start getting into trouble the minute you talk about some of the main reasons. And I think that if those of you who have read the book that I wrote on the origin of this world's religions will find a good clue as to why a lot of this stuff is kept secret. Because you will find that if the Air Force or the government came out and made a statement and says, yes, flying saucers are real, they're coming here from Venus and Mars, they have people in them like us, you raise questions that will affect the stability of the civilization of this Earth. And this is not an exaggeration.

This is a conclusion by a panel of scientists who spent a study that cost $65,000 into the problem of what would happen if the government released this information to the public. And their conclusions and their reasons and all this sort of thing have been published. It's available in a book written by Major Keogh in which they stated that it would mean the end of civilization as we know it because it would upset every economic thing that we stand on. It would upset and destroy the foundation of great religions and all kinds of things that's going to affect every person on Earth. Now, as I say, some of these reasons are harder to believe than the existence of flying saucers. But the first thing that comes into mind, of course, is theological questions. If people live on Venus and people live on Mars, then people that are real interested from a fundamentalist standpoint in the Bible and in the church's viewpoints and things like this want to know, well, was Jesus, for example, born and crucified on every planet? And of course

many churches believe that Jesus Christ was God. And you run into all sorts of things that strike people where they live and you can't pull the foundations out from under somebody's firm belief without putting something in its place that will be as strong or better. Now, people have to learn on their own what's right, what's wrong. And this is a slow process. The original educational program set up by the government was to last 20 years. And now it'll last at least 5 years longer. I think we'll probably know the answers to a lot of this stuff by say, 1970. But we're getting to a point where various physical things are starting to occur on the Earth and will get worse. I'm talking now of earthquakes and weather and different things along this nature. To a point where pressure is going to have to be exerted on the governments to come out with a little more information. I think you'll find if you examine very carefully the things that I've written and published in the monthly newsletter from time to time on what was happening, that

this very thing has occurred. Because at the present time, at least for the last several weeks now, we've had quite a bit of information come out to the public. A good example of this now was an Air Force intelligence man who was on radio on one of the all night conversation stations from about 1230 to 5 AM. He claimed, and of course this is just what he claimed, there's no way at the moment of verifying it, but he claimed that he was in the Flying Saucer Investigation Agency of the Air Force. He further claimed that he was bound by secrecy, that now he'd been released he was a civilian, there were certain things he could talk about and certain things that he couldn't mention. Now some of the things he said was, yes the government knows that flying saucers exist. They know that they come from Venus and Mars, and of course this is true. They know that people from other planets are walking among us and could be sitting right next to you tonight and you wouldn't know it. They know that the flying saucers come and go at will

and they're absolutely powerless to stop them. There's no way under the sun that they can influence them. They can't control their flights. They can't control their takeoffs. They have no ability whatsoever to interfere and they're not about to admit the existence of something that they can't protect you from. They're not about to admit that something exists that they're powerless to interfere with. And there's very, very many people in this country who believe in the Big Brother concept and they feel that they have to have somebody up there to look after them and they're looking to government figures rather than to a deity or anything else. And if the government was to admit the existence of something that it had no control over, you can imagine what this would do to a lot of people. It would be similar to 40 people committing suicide in 1938 or whenever it was when Orson Welles had his radio broadcast. So there's all kinds of answers. There's quite a few things you could make lectures on individual points. That would explain a lot of this.

The names of

I think six of these scientists were given in Kehoe's book. It's not given in any book that I was concerned with. Now the only book that I've been concerned with for example was Flying Saucers Farewell with George Adamski. And him and I produced this book. The other books, of course most of these that I have back here tonight, newsletter year books and the book on origin of religions and all are my own. This book on the origin of the world's religions for example goes back many thousand years and it's very highly documented back through verifiable history as far as you can go and there's quite a bit of things in there you can look up and verify. And this is the result of a 20 year study. This is not something that I sat down and knocked out to make a few bucks or anything like that. You can go to your own library and follow the bibliography in this and find the same conclusions and same answers. And you'll find much of this stuff is known and you'll find a lot of this stuff actually exists in documents that are classified

again. But this brings up the bad part because I hold a secret clearance with the government through the Department of Defense. I work at Hughes Aircraft. I've had this clearance now for almost nine years. I know of documents that exist on this but I can't talk about them as far as what's in them or anything else. I have a lot of reasons for believing things that I can't impart to you. And if I told you, you wouldn't believe it anyway because I couldn't produce them to back it up. So it puts you in an embarrassing situation. And you might get them by contacting Kehoe. I have I think all of his books at home. And I might be able to supply those five or six. I know that the study was made under a grant of about $65,000. And the conclusions were that it would destroy civilization as we know it if this was revealed to the public. And they listed their reasons. And whether these reasons are valid or not is beside the point. It's the idea that this was the conclusion. This is what the government decided. So if the government decides

to do something or the president decides to do something, even if it's wrong, it's still valid. They do it. So this is not the question then of whether this was right or wrong. It's the idea that this is what they decided. Another question was, is there a chance of seeing the motion picture films taken by George Adamski? And this one I can't answer at all because I don't have the film. I have all of his pictures except the motion picture film. And he had this with him when he was back in Washington at the time that he passed on. And I haven't the faintest idea of what happened to his films or any of the things that he had with him. So that's the question I just can't answer. There's another one here that's very good. I put the better questions to the front. One of these is, why the saucer shape and what sort of propulsion is presumed? Now I don't know whether they gave me any chalk here or not. I'll look and we'll see if we can move this microphone down to the blackboard. Or maybe I can talk loud enough that you can hear me. We don't have

any chalk unless someone back there has some. Do we have any chalk, Lee? Clarence? Well I'll tell you, I can give you a word picture I think that may be fairly plain. And one of the things is, why the saucer shape? Now you notice in going back into ancient accounts of these things, the shape always was the same as today. It was saucer shaped. In many cases it was cigar shaped. Now the method of propulsion in the cigar shaped ships is

[01:12:26] Audience questions and closing discussion

very similar to the propulsion in a saucer shaped ship. But the reason these things are round is the fact that the mechanism that generates the force field is like an armature in a car and a generator in a car and an alternator or something like this. It has to rotate. And the logical shape of course for something that rotates is round. Now these things do not fly by aerodynamic means. These things do not fly by aerodynamic means. And what I mean by that of course is that they do not fly, they don't need air to fly. It's not they don't fly or obtain lift through the differences of air pressure on the top or bottom surface of an airfoil or of a wing of a plane or anything like that. But they fly by a field that is generated that is gravity in nature. Now I don't claim to have coined this word, but we call it gravity-natured. And what it amounts to is if you considered the force of gravity of the earth for example as a pull or vector pointing straight down and you had a device that could generate a gravity field that was opposite so that it pulled

straight up. If you had the strength of these two equal then the ship of course would be weightless and it could hover. But if you had the field of the ship adjusted so that instead of the pull being straight up the pull goes off at an angle like this, of course the ship is going to move and of course this would be a good way to steer it. Now to talk about this sort of propulsion is going to answer a lot of questions that used to puzzle scientists in regard to flying saucers. And one of these questions was well what happens for example we've tracked on radar flying saucers doing 9,000 miles an hour that make right angle turns. They do this without slowing down or they'll be flying along at a few thousand miles an hour and they'll stop dead. There's been many cases where radar has observed these things flying at terrific speeds and immediately they either make right angle turns they stop dead or they reverse direction without slowing down. Well it used to be that scientists said well if anyone's in here they have to be like a bee or an ant

or something like that because the force of gravity the inertial forces would be so great that when this ship stopped all of a sudden it'd be like you slamming on the brakes in your car you go right through the windshield. So they'd plaster these people up against the walls and they'd be dead. Now the thing that was overlooked is this and that is if a force field that is like gravity is used it overcomes all of these inertial effects and the way it does it could be illustrated in this manner. Let's say that this eraser is one of our aircraft and a pilot goes in a dive I've been in the Air Force and I've experienced blackouts so I know a little bit about what this amounts to. When you go into a dive and you start to pull out inertia tries to keep you going in a straight line, in the original line so your body becomes heavy g-forces become involved and the blood starts rushing down out of your head and the first thing you know you gray out and then you black out everything turns black. You're still conscious but you can't see a thing. It's as black as night.

Then when you pull out of the dive then the heart becomes strong enough to pump blood back up into your head and you start to see again. Now if you made the same identical dive in a flying saucer and this thing was propelled by a field of gravity when this thing started to turn and started to come up it wouldn't be caused by pressure on wings of the plane but it would be caused by what you could label as gravity pressure that was actually lifting every atom of the ship every molecule of blood in your head all the bone, hair in your head, suit, whatever you're wearing is all going to be lifted molecule by molecule in exactly the same manner and you could be up and walking around without a safety belt and never know that thing made a sudden stop or a 90 degree turn at 9,000 miles an hour because the force that would stop the ship would stop and hold you at the same time. And if it holds the molecules of your blood from rushing down or out or trying to leave and so on why, because every molecule is held and stopped at the

same time. None of them are going to press against the next one to give you a feeling of pressure or gravity or anything like this. All these questions are answered and it's all scientific and it's all based on one postulation and that is that the force field is gravity natured. Now if it turned out someday the force field wasn't gravity natured then the expedition wouldn't be worth the power to blow it up. But as it turns out we have scientific measurements again that prove that the field is gravity natured and these measurements were made by a project called Project Magnet Setup by the Canadian government operated by the United States for quite some time and you'll probably be familiar with some of the information that came out from that. But they measured changes in gravity and changes in the Earth's magnetic field any time that a flying saucer was over the area. And they had instruments that were designed to detect anything unusual in the air that would change these fields. And every time the alarm sounded they'd go out and look and in many

cases they would see these things as they fly over, sometimes they wouldn't. But they could measure the effects. Okay now we have another question. Do the space people talk with audible sounds like our languages or do they use mental telepathy? Well the answer is yes. They talk with audible sounds like our language and they use mental telepathy. You'll find that if people are living here among you they're going to look like you. If they're wearing your clothes same clothes and everything you wouldn't know them from anybody else. If one of them had to be a little darker skinned than another one you might think well maybe he's an Italian from the that particular side of the Italian race or if he had dark hair and fair complexion you'd think well maybe he's an Irishman or something like that. Maybe the other guy happens to look like a Frenchman but you wouldn't give it a second thought. There would be no reason to. And the mental telepathy that they use has absolutely nothing to do with mediumship or what you would call voice

control or anybody going into a trance and somebody talking through them. This isn't mental telepathy at all. There's an awful lot of ignorance out in the field in regard to what mental telepathy amounts to. And you'll find that mental telepathy and the so called channeling or voice control are two entirely separate things. Many people will call it mental telepathy but the mental telepathy used by the space people does not involve taking over anybody's vocal cords and talking through them or any type of mediumistic effort. The next question is do you think a flying saucer stationed over Los Angeles to be here at time of crisis? And the answer is no. I don't. This one it seems to me that the structures which are supposed to be from a very far advanced civilization look ancient in my eyes in regard to their period of technological advances. Your comment. Well in the first place it's logical that they look very aged and very old because as I said many of these date back 14, 15, 16 thousand years some of them back 40 thousand years and

in some cases people have very good reasons to believe they're older than that. But the thing that proves that technology equal to or greater than ours is the fact that these things are so huge and have been ground into position just like the stones in the Great Pyramid. They've been placed there and formed together by actually rubbing them back and forth just like that until they ground themselves down into position. And some of these things like this one that I showed you the slide on weighs at least 2,200 tons. We don't have any mechanical equipment today in this day and age that is big enough to handle these things. It would be impossible for us to duplicate it. We couldn't duplicate the Great Pyramid today and yet a lot of people would try to tell you that we could. A few years ago some engineering students ran a, as I said, a problem. They ran, they were going to build the Great Pyramid as a problem. So they sat down and calculated and they came up with some astounding figures. They found out that if the Great Pyramid

was built by building sand ramps and then dragging these boulders or these slabs of stone and things up the sand ramp as has been depicted in movies and so on that the weight of the stone being what it was and the weight of the rope available in those days and all this sort of thing, there was not enough people in Egypt to have pulled these things up the incline and also that there wasn't enough sand in the Sahara Desert to do it because sand has a certain viscosity. Now viscosity would be a way of well let's describe it like motor oil. It's thin or it's thick and the viscosity is how thick it is or how thin it is. So if you have sand you can either sink into your waste or you can sink in a couple of inches. It depends on the viscosity of the sand. Now the viscosity of desert sand that's dry and has no moisture is such that you can sink in quite a long ways. You couldn't have pulled anything up slopes to pull these stones up there for example because the viscosity of the sand was such that they couldn't have piled

the sand up and had it support it. It would have been impossible. It had to have a structure spread out so far. We've taken so many ropes, so many people and all this thing. What it really boils down to it turns out to be an engineering impossibility to build the Great Pyramid. Obviously nobody built it I guess. I don't know what their conclusion is. But you can't build it according to the ideas of how the thing was built. Now there's quite a few things that exist that I didn't show pictures on. One of these is in Ireland. Now in Ireland there are remains of old castles that were lost to antiquity thousands of years ago as far as who built them. The people in the ancient middle ages didn't know who built them. They were in ruins then. Some of these have concrete like walls that are six to ten feet at the base. Across the top of these they have jagged broken glass that's fused into this concrete like material by heat. And this of course was designed to prevent people from climbing over these walls because they would cut themselves to ribbons.

Now it turns out that the heat necessary to have done this would amount to heat that we can get only by controlled atomic fusion or fission. It would be atomic heat that would do this. Nobody knows how they did it. The same as no one knows how they hardened copper. But we have hardened copper tools and axes and so on available from so called primitive people. And our technology today can't duplicate that. So the fact that they may not have had rubber-tired automobiles and a few things along this order doesn't mean they hadn't developed in other ways. If there were spacemen among us, would we be able to recognize them? And if so, how? Well the answer to that of course is you'd never be able to recognize them unless they wanted you to. And some of the methods that are used to recognize them, for example, most of you wouldn't be able to employ anyway. How did you first become interested in UFOs? I don't really think this would be of too much interest to most people. Whatever happened to Dr. Halsey, and the only information

I have on that was that apparently he crashed in the mountains in a plane. And this again is the same question. What started my interest in UFOs? And this particular individual apparently believes that these saucers could be terrestrial, contrary to wishful thinking so prevalent here. Well this is true. There are some of them that no doubt are terrestrial. But we have to face one thing, and that is that our modern jet plane era only started a few years ago. Flying saucer reports have been coming in for hundreds of years, and we have documents, for example, like the Middle Ages report from the Duke of Grimaldi and Charlemagne of France where 100,000 people were killed for being contactees with space people. And you'll find today that people that have contacts with people from other planets are generally crucified in some manner or another. And immediately, of course, they become crackpots. But the thing to remember is this. We have a lot of secret experiments. The government has over six research laboratories engaged right now trying to duplicate

the method of propulsion on these things. They have secret projects going on at Hughes where I work that involve this stuff. They have them at many other companies throughout the United States. And there's test flights being conducted on various things from time to time. This means that today, in this day and age, you have to have a real good sighting to be sure whether or not this thing would be a true flying saucer or whether it's something of the government. In many cases, you wouldn't be able to tell. But it's only been about ten years ago to where anything that you run into along this order would have to be what you'd call a true UFO, provided it was legitimate at all, because the government at that time didn't have anything going that was in flight. This Avro Canada project has released photographs every year through the Air Force of a saucer-shaped ship that was test flown. It reached the astounding speed of 200 miles an hour. And this thing was finally completely disbanded because it wouldn't perform.

And this didn't fly by force field. It flew by what they call the Coanda effect, which involved, well, similar to these air cushion automobiles, you might say, that go along the ground. This thing certainly is no competition for true flying saucers. And it looks to me like we're running out of time. We're 20 minutes to 11 already. So I... Out by 11? Okay. So what I would like to do then at the moment is just to make a brief comment on some of the things that I'm doing. Number one, I publish a newsletter every month that runs anywhere from 10 to 12 pages. This thing carries articles on different aspects of this field. In the last few months, I've ran a series of articles on semantics, how to think clearly, how to develop perceptive insight, and various articles that are designed to improve a person and do them some good. It has no connection whatsoever in a manner of speaking with flying saucers. It's articles that are designed to make you think, to improve your mind, and to stand on their own merit. It doesn't amount to your having to believe

in flying saucers or anything else. Along with this, I've reproduced the photographs as they appear each month and various articles on different aspects of flying saucer phenomenon. In addition to this, I publish a correspondence course on mental telepathy and cosmic science. I define cosmic science as any of the aspects, for example, of telepathy, of the true nature behind ESP, the true nature of the voice mediumship, transmediumship, and all these sorts of things. I also go into the true nature of the psychic world and what it really amounts to. I'm trying to show people the scientific facts behind this thing and why the space people do not use mediumship as a means of contacting people here on Earth. This thing is a physical, down-to-earth thing. That the people here are here as one of us. They're flesh and blood. You stick them with a pin, they're going to bleed. They're no different than us. They're just a little farther along. And you'll find that articles of all these different natures appear in the newsletter and then also the correspondence course,

which goes into the deeper philosophy behind a lot of this. You'll find that I'm trying to carry on from the point left off by George Adamski at the time that he turned his work over to me in 1961. And this program has actually been going many, many years. It was going many years before I started it. And it'll go on many years, assuming the Earth is still around, after I leave. So then again, I have the book on the origin of the world's religions. And as I said, this is a documented study that goes back many years. It's authentic. The first two or three chapters, you will find the origin of man here on Earth and a lot of things which are suppositions and you can consider it theory. Of course, I can't document it or prove it. Some of this information is the same information, for example, that appeared inside the spaceships and some of the other things from this organization a few years ago. So any of you who would like to have free copies of the catalog, free copies of some of the literature that I have, anything that's in white back here is free.

Those in the yellow covers or the books, I am charging for these. You're welcome to free copies, though, of the catalogs that list books on every subject you can think of, on archaeology, on religion, on philosophy, ancient civilizations, on chemistry...