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Undated December Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Gabriel Green

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[00:00] Opening remarks and history of the saucer movement

Gabriel Green. Thank you, Roberta, and good evening, Flying Saucer enthusiasts.

Because there are so many of you here for the first time, perhaps attending a Flying Saucer meeting, I am going to attempt in the first part of our meeting, before the break, to give you a little bit of the history of our movement and some of the evidence as to the existence of these craft that have been visiting our skies for the last two decades in the modern-day era of the Flying Saucer. In the second part of our program, I will try to give you my interpretation or understanding of the significance of these extraterrestrial visitations to our world and to you as individuals.

Most of you will be familiar with the existence of the Flying Saucer, but most of a lot of you who are old-timers here know the history of our movement as well as I. In 1947, June 24th, Kenneth Arnold, a private pilot, was flying over Mount Rainier, Washington,

when nine objects, he spotted nine unusual objects cavorting at fantastic speeds. He radioed ahead to the field. And when he landed and talked to the press, they asked him to describe the motion of these craft that he had sighted. He indicated that they appeared to fly in a skipping motion, similar to skipping saucers over the surface of the water, and the press coined the term Flying Saucer. Since that time, according to a recent Gallup poll, over five million Americans, people in the United States alone, have reported seeing flying saucers. There is a much higher percentage of people that now claim to believe that they do exist. Perhaps they don't know what they are, where they are from, why they are here, but this has been the lot of the dedicated Flying Saucer researcher to find out. In 1950,

[02:43] Daniel Fry and early contactee cases

Dr. Daniel W. Frey became the first Earthman in modern times to ride aboard one of these vehicles.

He was at White Sands Proving Ground, where he was in charge of rocket installation, launch, instrumentation installation, and he was walking out on the desert in the cool of the evening one night, and one of these glowing objects, came out of the heavens and landed a few feet from where he was observing it. His first inclination was to run, but being an intelligent man, he felt that any civilization that could demonstrate such advanced technology would certainly be able to stop him if they chose to. He decided to investigate and watch the object land, walked around the object, left footprints where he had walked around it, and proceeded to start to touch the surface of the craft to feel its texture. As he did so, he heard a voice over an apparent PA system speak to him and say, Don't touch that, Mac, it's hot. He was invited aboard the craft via the English American Idiom Language, and he was invited aboard the craft via the English American Idiom Language, and as the hatch opened up, he seated himself in one of the two bucket-type seats,

and was taken from White Sands, New Mexico, over the light pattern of New York and back in the space of half an hour, which averaged out the fantastic speed at that time of 8,000 miles per hour, fantastic to many who had not expanded their consciousness sufficiently to believe this was possible. But yet, I believe that our history has proven that what the mind of man can conceive of, he can in time achieve. Our present science is proving this constantly. We are constantly accomplishing the impossible. It was only a short time after that our own astronauts were orbiting at speeds of several multiples of 8,000 miles per hour. At one time, we believed that we could not surpass the sound barrier. Now there are many scientists who believe, and seriously so, that we will in time surpass the light barrier, which in times past seemed so insurmountable or so inconceivable. As time went on, hundreds of UFO research groups sprang up around the country, not only in this country, but in other countries throughout the world.

They published magazines with which we exchanged information, and we formed speakers networks to sponsor people who had seen these objects, not only seen them, but made contacts with some of their crews and had conversations with them. In 1952, Mr. George Adamski claimed that he made contact with a man in a one-piece flight suit with long golden hair on the California desert near Desert Center. The man indicated at that time that he was from the second planet from the sun, or Venus, and that indicated by drawing symbols in the sand that he was from Venus. At a later time, Mr. Adamski had the privilege of being taken aboard the scout ship that he had seen on the desert that day and into one of the oblong-shaped motherships that he was later privileged to photograph, which I will show you later on this evening. Mr. George Van Tassel, one of the pioneers of our movement, along with Mr. Adamski and Dr. Fry, was also an early contactee. When a spaceship landed at the Giant Rock Airport, where he was the operator

for the auxiliary airfield owned by the government. In this case, he was awakened in the middle of the night while sleeping outside in the heat of the summer with his wife and taken aboard this spaceship for approximately 20 minutes and had a conversation with one of the crew members in English. His wife did not wake up at this time. Apparently, there was some effort or ability on the part of the extraterrestrials to keep her from awakening for purposes of their own. There have been numerous other contactees. I believe that I have a list at home of approximately 100 people accumulated over the last 15 years that claim to have been not only seen these craft, but actually been aboard these extraterrestrial spaceships. Today, more and more people are seeing these objects. It is getting so that in spite of the government's denials that there are such things, even though they know differently and have much better evidence than even civilian researchers have, that an ever increasing number of our people is not buying this bit of propaganda.

In 1956, our own organization,

the Los Angeles Interplanetary Study Groups, started sponsoring contactee speakers at monthly meetings. In 1959, we, at the suggestion of the extraterrestrials, formed the Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs, in an effort to bring greater organization, unity, and understanding to the flying saucer movement. Now, what is the flying saucer movement? Because this is not a national phenomenon,

because these craft are seen over every country of the earth, photographed by independent researchers in every nation, the worldwide exchange of this information has brought about a much greater understanding amongst those who dedicate their time to researching the subject. In relation to the general public, who unfortunately has not been aware of the tremendously overwhelming, abundance of factual information regarding the reality of extraterrestrial visitors in our skies. In one of our publications, we listed over 82 magazines published by the different independent flying saucer research organizations. The Understanding Organization is one of these. AFSCA, or the Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America, is another. Actually, there is NICAP in Washington, D.C., and there are hundreds of other groups, which are not single organizations, but through their efforts to bring this message of the space people to ever larger numbers of people, they are forming different units of their own. And each one functions,

on a different level, reaching people according to their particular interest, but nevertheless enhancing their understanding of the new age that we are coming into, the flying saucer subject, and people's understanding of the significance of this whole investigation to mankind. In 1959, AFSCA held its first national convention

at the Statler Hilton Hotel in Los Angeles, at which we had approximately 1,500 people in attendance and over 45 contactee speakers. This is the first time, due to the huge number of people attending this event, that we were really able to break the press barrier that existed for some time prior to this. And because of this event, we were able to obtain worldwide publicity for the saucer subject as a result. This July, we held our third national convention at Reno, Nevada, and even though our attendance was not what we had hoped it would be because there was an airline strike at the time and a lack of time to properly notify all of the members in our organization, but we did accomplish the main goal that we were striving for, and that was to get on the international wires and to bring the flying saucer subject to the attention of millions more people than had heard of it previously. I think if there is one word which most aptly describes the state of the world today, that is change. We are going through changes of all sorts.

The phenomena of the flying saucer in our skies in these modern times, the unrest in every country of the world resulting in uprisings from juvenile delinquents to beatniks to the younger generation, to the nations in Africa, rebelling against the status quo and the conditions that they, at a previous time, would tolerate, but because of some influence on them now, some realization that perhaps there is a better way of life for mankind, they are not as tolerant of these less idealistic conditions in their lives. And they are rebelling against these. The youth is rebelling. The older folks are getting tired of the pressure of ever higher and higher taxes and I think they are rebelling politically. Whenever one party is in for a certain length of time, people get so fed up with conditions that there is a natural desire for change and a better deal and they will vote the other party in office just to give somebody else a chance and see if they can make some improvements that the previous party wasn't able to make. In our publication, Flying Saucers International,

we attempt to publish the most, what we feel is the most significant information concerning the extraterrestrials' message. Our organization, AFSCA, like I say, is only one of many, but we also, we are a contactee-oriented organization. Now this, we are different from other more conservative organizations which for purposes of effectiveness limit their investigation to citing reports like the NICAP organization. And although they claim to be scientific, they refuse to examine the contactee reports, which are really the only source of legitimate information of real value regarding the purpose, the reason, the true motivations as to why the space people, as we have come to call them, are visiting our planet at this time in our evolution.

[17:13] AFSCA, change, and the meaning of the movement

Bob Renaud, a young electronic technician, is one of the people stories that we have been running recently because we feel that in his experience, he sums up what many other contactees have experienced in years earlier in a single experience. And in addition to that, he is constantly having new experiences and is able to write these up and perhaps more concisely than some of his former, the former contactees. But we feel that each contactee has made a great contribution to this research. I think over 150 books have now been written on the subject. And there isn't one that I haven't been able to get something from. Unfortunately, there is no single publication that has all the wisdom of the universe in it. I doubt whether anyone would expect that. But if you know the old adage, seek and ye shall find, and if you're interested enough, you can seek out the information that will make a great deal of difference in your life and enhance your understanding. When Bob Bernard was listening to the British Broadcasting System on a short wave set

late one evening, he heard an interference, an irritating noise, you might call it, and his curiosity got the better of him. He decided to tune in this interference and as soon as he did, it stopped. And a beautiful, feminine voice spoke to him, called him by name and said, Bob, we would like to speak with you for a while. Of course, he was rather staggered by this. He didn't understand how anybody could be aware of his existence, so speaking to him over the radio, his radio set. But as soon as he picked himself up psychologically, they sort of explained where they were, that they were in a spaceship from another planet, and that this lady that was speaking to him was one of a group of 25 scientists who had come from the planet they called Corindor, had learned our language through monitoring our radio and television sets through their more advanced, sophisticated instrumentation, and had selected him as, as their one and only public contact during their period of stay during their mission on this planet. Since that time, in further conversations,

radio conversations, they told him how to build a transmitter so that he could have two-way conversations with him. And through these two-way radio conversations, he later learned how to augment his television set so that he could pick up their video signal directly from their craft. I think after he had been talking with these people for about a year, year and a half, two years, he had the opportunity to see this beautiful young lady that had been speaking with him over the radio during previous contacts, and he certainly wasn't disappointed when he got the first view of the inside of their spaceship and the camera rather dramatically panned over on Lynne Airy, as the young lady's name happened to be, full face. And this is quite a thrill for Bob, as I guess it would be for anybody having a similar experience. Later on, he had the opportunity to not only meet Lynne Airy in person, but some of the other scientists that were in this particular group. They claimed that they were constructing a number, a network of underground and undersea bases here

so that their people could condition themselves to our climate, it being different on their home planet of Corindor, which they said was located over 400 light years distant. They said that their native planet had an oxygen content twice that of ours and a gravitational pull about twice that of ours. So that when they came here, any task was accomplished with relatively little effort as far as they were concerned. However, they did have problems with the lesser oxygen content here and it was necessary for them during the adaptation period to acquire additional amounts of oxygen through some special type capsules that they took several times a day to somehow release this oxygen into their bloodstream. Additional oxygen. As they became adapted to the surface conditions here, the human body, being very adjustable, could adapt to the lesser oxygen content without too much difficulty over about a three or four month period. He was later permitted to go aboard some of these spacecraft of theirs to actually fly some of the smaller scout ships

because the controls were so simple. This is... I would say one of the major thrills in his series of experiences. The first time he actually piloted one of these craft solo. At a later time, he was permitted to visit some of the underground and undersea bases that they had established and to visit some of the larger craft at a later date. Now, you'll find that as you investigate this subject further that there's an overall pattern to the contactees' messages. And by and large, most of the contactees, according to my understanding, are very sincere, dedicated people that are trying in the best way they know how to introduce concepts which are so little known, so little understood to the masses of our people that, like any new radical concept, when first introduced, they are generally met with ridicule. But as our history has proven, most of the great men who were 50, 100 years in advance of the masses of our people were proven out and were considered great because their awareness was that far in advance of most of the people.

The contactees are asked by these space people to try to take their message, relate their experiences to other people that they might expand their own awareness and understanding, try to understand what the significance of their visitation is and better their lives and this world as a result. As a result of the information acquired from the extraterrestrials over a period of years, people like Dan Fry have built instrumentation through the knowledge that he gained from his contacts with which to, to help our own space program having several instruments aboard some of our Atlas missiles. Other people are being given the understanding of the free energy systems by which the flying saucers propel themselves and are building power systems, power packs, which are so vital to our own evolution here now that, the internal combustion machine is just about making it impossible for mankind to exist on this planet in terms of pollution of his atmosphere. You'll find that Bob Bernard's total experiences are covered in our magazine. Those that he,

he's constantly having new experiences and we will be bringing this information to you as we acquire it and are able to publish it. I think at this time I will show you some of the evidence of the existence of these flying saucers in the form of photographs and if you'll bear with me while I set up the screen, we'll show those to you in just a moment.

[27:55] Photographs and evidence discussion

If we may have the lights out please. Most of you will probably recognize this photograph of the Andromeda Galaxy. I think it is rather inconceivable how man in his egotism can look at a galaxy such as this and claim that we here on this planet are the only life existing in the universe that we are unique in the cosmos. There are, according to astronomers, over 150 billion planets or rather stars alone in our own Milky Way galaxy, let alone all the billions upon billions of stars that go to compose the various pinpoints of light like this Andromeda Galaxy that go to make up the universe. This one pinpoint of light is a whole galaxy similar to the one that we are in. Many of the extraterrestrials claim that they are coming from over 400 light years distance towards the center of our galaxy. Now these are the famous Lubbock lights named so because they were photographed over Lubbock, Texas. In reality they are a group of scout ships flying in formation. The space people claim that formation flying requires very precise calculations

because of the overlapping of the electromagnetic force field due to this close proximity flying. Here is another group of four craft manifesting as light because of the ionization of the atmosphere by the power source or the force field of the spacecraft. Now at our headquarters we get hundreds of calls from people that say they have one of these objects hovering over their backyard fence all the time. They don't report them. They don't appear in the newspaper. A lot of times when they do report them the police or the newspapers will say, well that object that you see hovering there or streaking off or bobbing up and down is merely a hallucination or a figment of your imagination or a swamp gas or something like that. Here's a couple more of these objects over the Eiffel Tower in Paris. This is a night shot of several craft taken in Hawaii with a time exposure so that their maneuvers sort of draw out part of the shape of one of these scout craft. These objects quite often are seen as pulsating lights where the force field will pulsate up and down

and the color of the craft will change according to the intensity of the force field apparently. Here we have what in biblical times people might have called a pillar of fire by night and a pillar of cloud by day where the light and moisture in the atmosphere would be condensed around the force field to obscure the superstructure of the craft. Perhaps for purposes of concealing the fact that there was a craft there from the people at that time since they probably wouldn't have understood it in the first place. Of course, from a practical point of view if a people were to be led out of bondage, to wander the wilderness for 40 years, they had to, they could not stay in any one place long enough to raise their own food so somebody had to support them and we have information that manna from heaven was really something like K-rations and that the people rested in the heat of the day under the shelter of the, in the shade of the craft and were able to travel in the cool of the evening as the craft lighted their way. That object was taken

by the way over Los Angeles on November 7th, 1956 when according to the Martians an extraterrestrial spacecraft would be over our city. This is a phenomena type photograph taken by myself while returning from the Northern California Spacecraft Convention at Berkeley, California a couple of years ago. This is the famous Yosemite Fire Falls. It's a time exposure approximately 15 seconds. I didn't see anything but the fire falls at the time but this is what showed up on the film. Some sort of an object in the foreground and another object directly under the rim of the spacecraft of the mountain below the moon. The halation at the top lighting up the picture is the moon in addition to the fire fall. This type of phenomena has happened over and over again with photographers. Carl Anderson got a very unusual phenomena show up on his film at the Giant Rock Convention at the beginning of the convention when George Van Tassel first opened the convention. These are things that most of us don't understand. I don't know whether any of us do understand them

but we certainly do realize that they are possible that they are happening. Most of us believe that there are no miracles. There are only things that we don't understand the scientific explanation of. Some of these miracles or mysteries of course appear to be miracles because they are beyond our own comprehension. Here is the definite hardware. Photographs like this really as with all of these photographs don't really constitute proof to any individual or rather to all individuals because proof is different to each individual according to the sum total of his past information and experience. So however we feel that the photographs that we have collected do tend to support the sightings and contacts with tangible evidence and of course if you happen to be the photographer you know that is real if you see it bobbing around and streaking bobbing up and down and then streaking off at thousands of miles per hour. Most of the craft sighted have been in the shape of a saucer although there have been numerous shapes described but most of them appear

to be saucer type. Of course a saucer can look like a hat or a sphere or sort of an oblong ship depending upon the angle of view to the observer as you see here. Here's one pretty low over the telephone wires. In the early days a lot of the pictures were very small and what you see here is the extreme enlargement of the grain of the photographic film. But it's interesting here that the same silhouette was photographed on three different continents approximately eight years apart. This is one taken by Paul Villa here in America. The others were taken in Europe and South America. Now a lot of these craft here's an extreme enlargement over South Africa. The famous Trinidad Island photograph taken by a Brazilian Navy photographer and officially released by the Brazilian government. Taken by Elizabeth Clare over South Africa a lady who claimed to have had the privilege of meeting one of the extraterrestrials in person when this ship landed. Here the roughness is due to the extreme grain of the film again. There you see the silvery metallic appearance

that most of these crafts seem to have reflecting the sunlight. And we see an inner rim and an outer flange which is quite often described as rotating or appearing to rotate. We don't know in all cases whether it rotates or not but at least it appears to in some instances. It might be that the field the magnetic field is being rotated to give it that appearance in some cases. We have found out that the extraterrestrials are from many different levels of evolution just like we have different levels of understanding on our planet. We have found out that the extraterrestrials are from many different levels of evolution just like we have different levels of understanding on our planet. We still have people here that wear bones in their nose and there would be no way to really communicate with them our present understanding. They would like some of our early forefathers in the Christian era perhaps assume that if we were to land a helicopter or a spaceship in their midst that we were indeed gods having descended out of the heavens. We would be gods

to the extent that we would be gods to the extent that we would be gods to the extent that we would be gods to them and that our understanding and our capability would be so much more advanced than their own that we would be godlike beings to their limited understanding. This is taken by a photographer friend of mine Joseph Kerska taken from Twin Peaks in San Francisco. This is over the Seal Rocks looking south towards the fun zone on the beach at San Francisco by Mr. Kershka. A naval photographer snapped this shot. Looks like it might be some sort of

antenna hanging down there. Dr. Fry took this picture while driving near El Monte. He was

impressed to run into a drugstore and purchase an inexpensive box camera, load it with film, drive on down the road, and shortly thereafter, he saw this craft and snapped this picture. I'd say that's pretty good cooperation. I've been a professional photographer for years. I've seen 85 to 100 of these craft myself, but never had the opportunity to get a photograph of one. So, well, you can imagine that if you see a craft like this just for a few seconds or even for a few minutes. Unless you have a camera handy, even if you do, chances are you might be so shocked you'd forget to cock the shutter or something. But some of the better photographs that have been taken, as you'll see in a few moments, have been taken literally by appointment or by some means of cooperation with the extraterrestrials, such as them giving Dr. Fry the

suggestion that he, the mental, the telepathic suggestion that he run into the drugstore to buy the camera. This is taken in England by Cedric Allingham. The craft landed and he was able to get another picture. You see the three portholes there and the foreground. This is generally referred to as an Adamski type because he was the first one to make contact with this type of craft. Or a Venusian type spaceship since the first pilot to speak with Adamski claimed that he was from the planet Venus. It's also a very picturesque type of craft, an object that looks very much like a saucer if it is to be portrayed photographically or in the drawing form. There really aren't many details to indicate exactly what it is other than a couple of pictures. So, it's a very picturesque inverted saucers. But this type of maybe old fashioned archaic type of spacecraft is certainly picturesque. Here's another one that really looks like a cup with a handle on it. Now this is taken

by Howard Menger by the light of the craft at night in New Jersey on a Polaroid film. There you see the three ball landing gear and the portholes. In the compartment, passenger compartment of the craft. Here the same craft has landed and one of the

pilots of the ship is silhouetted by the light emanating from the craft itself in the foreground. At a later time Mr. Menger claims that he was taken to the moon over a period of a week's time with

some other people. And actually allowed to walk over the surface of the moon in some area. He said at the area that he was, he had no difficulty in breathing. This is a picture was taken by a man and his wife who were hiking in the Italian Alps.

Came across this object, landed. They tried to get closer but were prevented by a crevasse. They took a series of several pictures. Here we see what appears to be a figure of a human in a suit that, uh, would look quite similar to what, perhaps, our first space men going to the moon would wear. Uh, you also see what appears to be an antenna sticking out of the backpack of the figure to the left of the object and a antenna sticking out of the cabin section of the saucer. This figure was seen to walk the front of the craft they observed the silhouette of the backpack on the person's back and as he walked behind the craft again the aerial on the craft retracted and took off and several other views were taken here's one of it taking off this is a famous

george adamski photograph who passed away last year after many years of pioneer work in this field and was a worldwide lecturer author of three book three four books on the subject flying saucers have landed and inside the spaceships this is the close-up of the venusian craft and one of the portholes there appears like there might be somebody looking out mr adamski for hours and hours would watch the heavens through his telescope from mount palomar where he lived uh during the evening and he was eventually rewarded with a wonderful series of photographs taken through his telescope now some of these crafts eventually came so low that they were below treetop level and he got some shots this is the mothership that mr adamski photographed which in reality is a interplanetary carrier and operates in space similar to how our aircraft carriers operate on the surface in the sense that they carry several hundred of the smaller scout ships aboard their flight decks. They have several different flight decks here.

In this case, Mr. Damsky said that the craft were launched from the bottom of the craft and were received from in-air locks at the top of the craft. Since the smaller scout ships did not have interplanetary capability, but were confined to within 5,000 or 10,000 miles of a planet's surface, there are other ships, however, that look quite similar in the sense that they have saucer shapes but do have interplanetary and even interstellar capabilities. Here we see several of the scout ships looking like lights being launched from the craft and the one in the lower right-hand corner is taking on shape as it gets closer to the camera. A lot of people report seeing what appears to be a brilliant white light in the heavens and they'll watch it for a time and wonder, is that the planet Venus or wonder just what it is and suddenly it will start to move slowly. Perhaps bob up and down and then streak off at fantastic speeds. Of course, to our knowledge, stars don't do that. Of course, the astronomers never did have any rational explanation of the star of Bethlehem either.

Here we see one of the series taken by mechanic Paul Villa from Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Here we see one of the series taken by mechanic Paul Villa from Albuquerque, New Mexico. Here we see one of the series taken by mechanic Paul Villa from Albuquerque, New Mexico. was taken a year ago, Easter Sunday, by Paul. That's his pickup truck in the foreground, which he likes to get to identify, to prove to his friends that he was actually there. This craft is causing a fire directly in the trees, directly in the center of the picture, over the tailgate of the craft, just as a demonstration of their capability. They put on several demonstrations for Paul that day. He claimed that he was contacted in Los Angeles while working for the Power and Light Company in San Pedro and taking aboard a craft several years ago. And because of his natural telepathic ability, they contacted him that way and invited him to bring his camera to this place. to this location for the purpose of getting this better type of evidence, photographic evidence of these crafts. They actually posed for him for quite a period of time. He's not the best of photographers,

but these at the time were some of the best photographs that we had yet obtained to date. We were very happy to get them. He said that this craft landed and that he talked with two of the crew members in English and the other crew members in English in Spanish. And so we

were glad to invite those that we knew to come to the event. I want to thank the group of people for coming. We thank all of the people for being here. The people that we were able to meet this morning with us. in some cases, to the Alpha Centauri star system, as well as to our moon.

Here we see a 300-foot diameter craft hovering sideways very close to the surface.

Here we see a closer-up view of the same craft. This is not a sphere, as you might suspect, but a saucer-shaped craft. It's very thin. And what we're seeing is the bottom of the craft and the three telescoping tripod landing gear on the bottom. Here we get a better, closer-up view of it. It's also of interest that at the time the people claimed that through the power of their mind they were controlling the formation of the clouds overhead. And you will see perhaps a silhouette of an Indian in the top cloud laying on his back with a feather. There's also, in the longer view, another face of an Indian showing their control over inanimate weather

or the elements of the earth, which our people are talking about doing now, but which the extraterrestrials are very accomplished at. Here we see a side view, even though blurred, of the same ship. Here the same craft. The same craft is vibrating at a very rapid rate of speed back and forth, which gives it this blurred effect. It's changing its angle of view to the camera. While the camera lens was open, there was obviously a slow shutter speed used here because of the movement of the camera and the objects in the foreground. This is another silhouette view in which the space people were controlling the weather again

from a very clear day. They created this dust storm suddenly, which is obscuring a better view of the craft. Here is an enlargement from some 8-millimeter film taken by Madeline Rutherford of Maryland. She will be lecturing here in this city on the 30th, showing her movie films as well as some of the films of the late George Adamski and describing her. She will be speaking at the Women's Club in Los Angeles, if any of you are interested.

We can give you that information if you want to call our headquarters. We're in the phone book under Flying Saucers, so it's easy to get our number. Here we see one of the ball landings. The landing gear apparently retracted on one side of the ship. It was hovering in her front yard for a short period of time. She said that her attention was attracted by a small, remotely controlled device,

approximately a foot in diameter, bobbing around in the trees. As she got her camera and was taking pictures of it, this larger craft came, came back within a few minutes, and she got pictures of it.

[54:00] Later photographs and closing remarks

Now, the founder and president of the Understanding Organizations, of which this is Englewood Unit 15, Dr. Daniel W. Fry, took this picture of a ship over Merlin, Oregon, near his home, along with a number of other photographs, which we consider, are very, some of the best that have ever been taken. Several of these shots are published in the last issue of our magazine, Flying Saucers International. The only reason I'm not showing you more of them is because I don't have slides of them at this time. But this particular series, I think, is one of the most impressive pieces of evidence that we have to date, in that the, on the movie film, what appears to be brilliant reflections, possibly sunlight, are actually rotating around the craft, the dark surface of the craft, the two dark bands, which indicate that it is a power source discharge of some sort. They rotate on the movie film from left to right. In another picture, this craft was also photographed by Dr. Fry, near Joshua Tree, California, over 1,000 miles away at a later date.

Rather, a craft similar to this. We don't know whether it was the same craft or not. Also, another craft that he photographed, near Joshua Tree, has umbrella-type markings on it, and these can be seen to rotate, or to change their position in each frame of the motion picture film, indicating that it is rotating. Whereas a craft like this, because it doesn't have any definite markings, you really couldn't determine whether it's rotating or not. Some people have the theory that the tip of the craft on the bottom being dark, and the tip at the top being white or light, and the dark bands are actually negative polarity, and the light surface serving as a positive polarity. In another, view of this craft, the underside is definitely in shadow, where here you see what appears to be an electroluminescence over the whole surface of the craft, or a positive light discharge coming from the craft. Now, at night, you would see this as a glowing light, perhaps. Here we see another series taken by Paul Villa, within 15 miles,

about 15 miles south of Albuquerque, New Mexico, his truck is in the foreground, again, behind the bushes. This series was taken on June 16th, 1963, and he posed the craft in amongst the trees, or rather with the trees in the foreground, because most of the pictures previously had a plain background, and did not have any other objects with which to, uh, relate and compare the size and the distance, and, uh, and the depth of field and so on, which, uh, which lend authenticity to a photograph, if you can, uh, re- relate it to other objects, and the degree of sharpness of the objects in the picture. He estimated that this, uh, uh, craft was about 75 feet in diameter. He claimed that, uh, he was told, uh, once again, to come to this location, uh, bring his camera, uh, communicated with telepathically. He said the craft landed, that he spoke to the occupant, uh, the nine crew members consisting of four men and five women, who were all between seven and nine feet tall, and very beautiful beings, very well constructed,

very well proportioned. Here the craft, uh, appears to, uh, to me to be, uh, hovering sideways to demonstrate the principle that there is an artificial gravity within the craft, uh, uh, there is an artificial gravity within the craft, uh, and, uh, because there is no up or down in space, only relative to a fixed point, the Earth's, uh, gravity is not having any effect on the occupants, and they are entirely as comfortable there as we, not, uh, experiencing any g- pull from our planet, but, uh, only from the artificial, uh, gravity, which makes the floor of the craft down to them, so that regardless what position they are, uh, the, uh, the floor is always down. This is one of the, uh, problems that, uh, our own astronauts will have to be confronted with, uh, the doctors are finding that over long periods of weightless time, uh, weightlessness under weightless conditions in space, the, uh, calcium washes out of the bones of the body, and it is hard to, uh, maintain, um, maximum health conditions, uh, in a weightless condition for long periods of time.

The, one of the first questions Mr. Villa asked these occupants was where they were from. They said, uh, that we are from the constellation you call Coma Berenices, about 400 light jist- years distance from your planet, towards the center of your galaxy. And as astro- astronomers tell us, we are sort of the Johnny-come-latelys, uh, in that, uh, our own planet Earth is, uh, in the outer two-thirds of the, our Milky Way galaxy, and according to some theories if the center core is formed first, uh, there's an awful lot of people that are more advanced, uh, than we, living on these, uh, inter-stellar systems. This, uh, opening in the craft, uh, we, uh, first thought were windows, but, uh, a later time, uh, when Paul had a chance to ask the people, uh, more detailed questions, uh, he found out that, uh, this had something to do with a propulsion system, the craft, and it was only open in a planet's atmosphere, not, uh, in space. Uh, a lot of these craft have, uh, different type of viewing systems. They will have on their control panel a TV screen,

or, uh, actual lenses, uh, mounted, uh, around the surface of the craft, so that they get a 360-degree view on their video screens, uh, at the control panels. Other types of craft, uh, you can see, uh, from the inside out, uh, just like a one-way mirror, but you can't see from the outside in. Uh, depends on, on, uh, the, the type of craft, and, uh, and where the control cabin is located, et cetera. Uh, Dr. Fry claimed that the craft that he sat in, uh, had a one-way, uh, mirror effect, so that, uh, there were no view screens in it, but, uh, he was able to look right through the, apparently right through the skin surface of the craft. Here is, uh, one of the closest-up views, uh, taken of a, a craft, and, uh, rather, uh, pretty picture, which, uh, we have incorporated on a postcard. And as you can see, we hope that this presentation, uh, will at least give you an indication that, uh, flying saucers are indeed real. Thank you very much. I think if it's all right, uh, we'll take a break at this time,

and, uh, after a brief intermission, I will, uh, I don't know anything about White Sands, New Mexico. I do know that, uh, Frank Scully wrote a, a book, uh, several years ago. It came out in 1950, in which he described a, uh, spacecraft that, uh, crashed, apparently crashed in, uh, New Mexico. And, uh, of the, uh, I think it was nine or twelve, uh, small four-foot, uh, bodies aboard, they, uh, were all dead, appeared to be electrocuted, and, uh, they were finally able to get in the ship and finally cut it apart, although they had quite a job of doing this. And according to reports, the, uh, ship was, uh, trucked to Wright-Patterson Field, Dayton, Ohio. Uh, according to George Van Tassel, who said that he had a visit from one of the, uh, surgeons that did the autopsies on these people, uh, he claimed that, uh, uh, of course, uh, they, there is some way of telling the age of a person or estimating it by the, uh, structure of health, and, uh, that all these people were between three hundred and four and fifty years old.

Uh, the average age of, uh, most of the, uh, extraterrestrials, uh, seems to be, uh, about that time, although, uh, some of them, uh, uh, report, uh, ages of 1,000, 1,500, 2,000. Uh, and, of course, our own lifespan is increasing here as we come to understand, uh, more of the laws of the universe or science and become the masters of our fate rather than the victim of our environment. Are you a contactee? Please tell us about it, if so. Uh, I qualify as a person who has had the opportunity to meet with some of the, uh, of the crews of these craft. I've never been aboard a spaceship. I'm still looking forward to that. I've been promised such a, a trip eventually. I have no way of knowing when or if it will occur. Uh, I have, over a period of, uh, years, met, uh, several of these, uh, space people by appointment. Uh, one of them claimed that he was from the planet Mars, another from the planet Clarion, who, uh, Truman Bethlehem wrote about, uh, after making his contact with, uh, a scout ship, and, uh, Ara Range, who was the, uh, captain

of that 300-foot-diameter scout ship, which landed, uh, on the, uh, desert. And, uh, Ara Range is the lady, the captain of that ship, uh, with which, uh, Truman Bethlehem made 11 comments about his contacts, I believe. At a later time, uh, a lady, uh, named Haiti King, uh, established, uh, telepathic contact with Ara, and we received, uh, uh, quite a long series of information, informative, uh, messages, uh, concerning their planet. Uh, my contacts were arranged, uh, through other contactees by appointment to meet people who, with, from whom I had been receiving, uh, information concerning the, uh, flying saucer movement and how to, uh, promote it, how to, uh, make it progress, and, uh, in relation to the primary purpose of the extraterrestrials here in the first place. Uh, I might say that, uh, one of the, uh, gentlemen was a 4-foot-tall man named Renton, who claimed to be from the Alpha Centauri, uh, star system. And, uh, uh, one time, I was discussing with my associate various problems concerning the movement, and, uh, I said,

gee, wouldn't it be nice to, if we could get Renton here, uh, and get his advice on some of these, uh, questions. And he said, just a minute, I'll see if I can get him on the phone, uh, meaning, uh, telepathically. And, uh, he did and, uh, reported that he was on his home planet, uh, he was tied up in a meeting and couldn't, uh, come right away. Uh, about 10 or 15 minutes later, there was a knock on the door, and it was Renton. Uh, I said, uh, gee, Rennie, as I call him, because he's so small, although, uh, I suppose I shouldn't, but he doesn't seem to mind. Uh, I said, gee, Rennie, I thought it was, uh, that from our previous ex- conversation, it took you about at least an hour to come, uh, here from Alpha Centauri, uh, aboard your spaceship. And he said, well, it does take longer than just a few minutes, but, uh, since I was in a hurry, I had to teleport. And, uh, I, of course, had heard of, uh, this, and my associate had described experiences of being teleported, uh, through the process of instrumentation. And, uh, I also, uh,

had heard that, uh, the more advanced extraterrestrials, uh, can, uh, through the power of their mind, uh, teleport their, uh, bodies where, wherever they wish without, uh, the means of a spaceship. So I said, uh, gee, Rennie, that's pretty good. Uh, did you do that through using instrumentation, or did you use the power of your, your mind? And he said, uh, well, with, uh, people, uh, like you who do not have this ability, we can use instrumentation and teleport them anywhere. Now, they have various types, uh, beams that they can put on individuals seated in this audience, so they'll disappear instantaneously and wind up halfway across the universe if they so program it. Um, also, they have cabinets, uh, which you can step into and then step out of another cabinet at whatever location you're destined for. Uh, Bob Renaud is one of the contactees that has also had, uh, experience of tele, teleporting from, uh, one base, uh, within 10 miles of his home in Massachusetts to another base, uh, off the coast, undersea base off the coast of California

several thousand miles away. When he was aboard, uh, one of the spaceships, he also, uh, had, uh, several crew members. Uh, one of the, um, girls that he was with that he had met at the undersea base in California. He, uh, became quite attracted to, and just as a social event, they had teleported, uh, her up into the big spaceship when they were having a, a meeting there. Uh, just, uh, um, so it would be fun for him to have her around. And, uh, while he was taking a tour of the 650, uh, 25-foot, uh, diameter, uh, spaceship, they showed him the teleportation room there, and two of the girls, uh, came in, uh, with, uh, punch cards, uh, in which their trip was programmed. And they stepped into the, um, area, uh, for such purpose and just vanished, just like on Star Trek. And, uh, of course, uh, this brings up another point. Uh, uh, uh, he asked him, uh, uh, where, where they had gone, and, uh, he told him it was some, uh, star system so many light years away and so on. Uh, which, uh, makes, uh, space travel pretty simple once you know how to do it.

Of course, uh, we have, uh, a long way to go to accomplish that. But, uh, according to the extraterrestrials, if we'll sort of behave ourselves and really take an interest in living a better way of life, uh, this is the, the sort of thing that we can look forward to, uh, if we will open our hearts, uh, to them and, uh, uh, make it possible for them to come openly amongst us. They will, uh, give us the advantage of, uh, much of their advanced technology, uh, so that, uh, in a relatively short period of time, we could, we can evolve, uh, eons of time in terms of progress. Uh, this is quite possible, and it's something that, uh, people alive, uh, today uh, can look forward to, uh, if we don't, uh, uh, make the mistake of, uh, of, uh, destroying ourselves, uh, and, uh, through thermonuclear oblivion. Of course, we're still in a very critical period of our evolution. Uh, anything is, uh, possible in, in a way if we don't take right action, but I feel that through divine intervention, the impact, uh, information is being given to mankind

through, uh, contactees, which might be the modern, uh, modern-day counterpart of the prophets of old, uh, to disseminate information to, uh, masses of our people as to how to resolve these problems which threaten to annihilate us. Of course, the, uh, extraterrestrials, uh, having long ago solved, uh, all the problems of the type that we are complaining about here, today, uh, would be in a ideal position to describe to us how to, uh, resolve these problems since they did it before and are living the more idealistic ways of life which we would certainly call utopian. If these flying saucer people have meetings with certain peoples of Earth so as to get pictures of their UFOs to prove to us they exist, why don't they just flip down on the lawn of the White House? Or are they afraid the naive people of the world would panic? I guess that's the gist of it. Uh, well, of course, you know, the famous science fiction, the most famous science fiction classic of all time in the day the Earth stood still, a spacecraft did land on the White House lawn,

and the first, uh, thing that our troops did was to shoot the pilot of the craft. Uh, you'll find that, uh, uh, most of these concepts that, uh, you will come in touch with in the flying saucer movement, uh, have now been incorporated on various science fiction, uh, television shows. These shows are created for this purpose, to help augment the effort of the flying saucer movement to, uh, infiltrate the minds of the people, these concepts into the minds of people so that, uh, when they're confronted with the real experience, they will have, uh, been exposed to these concepts. They will not be radically new to them, and they will accept them just like old-time stuff, concepts such as teleportation, telepathy, reincarnation, which is a fact of life, according to all the space people. And, uh, these, uh, when you stop to consider how easy life could be if, uh, we had the knowledge of just one of their, uh, matter, uh, duplicators. Uh, Bob Renaud, um, had, uh, eaten aboard one of their craft. He had, uh, one of the best ham sandwiches,

he said, he ever had in his life aboard one of these ships, and a glass of milk. But, uh, question comes up, well, uh, where do you raise your, your meat? Did you, uh, get the milk from, uh, cattle? And so on. Uh, but then, uh, they said, no, we don't, we revere all life, we don't kill anything, and therefore we don't raise animals for slaughter. Uh, but it's quite simple for us to duplicate your products. Uh, if you start with an original, uh, in the teleportation process, you start with a physical body, you have to have a, a complete programming of the complete, of the total atomic structure of that body, a complete picture of it, you have to record it somehow so that, uh, wherever it's going, it can be duplicated. Uh, it has to be, uh, dematerialized, changed batter, back into, uh, energy, and, and reconstituted somewhere else. Now, if you can, uh, record this onto a tape machine, similar to what we have, we record our, uh, radio broadcasts and our video tapes, record this whole atomic structure on a tape, then, if you happen to lose an arm,

or a leg, or even a body itself, it's just a matter of replaying the tape, uh, to duplicate, uh, whatever you happen to lose or need at the moment. George Van Tassel has something along this line in that, uh, he is, uh, developing an Integraton out there in the desert, uh, by which he hopes to, uh, rejuvenate people or give them more energy. And who knows? Maybe he'll do it. Uh, he's, uh, been given the information from the space people. Certainly, they have means of doing this. Uh, I don't know how soon George will come up with it if he does, but if he does, it will be a great contribution to humanity. And, uh, of course, uh, from our limited points of view, uh, it somewhat staggers the imagination. Uh, you wonder, uh, what life would really be like when it's so simple. When all of your physical needs are met, uh, for instance, if you, if you, instead of milking, uh, having cows eat, uh, grass and then milking the cows to get your milk, you start with a glass of milk, uh, run it through the duplicator machine, and, uh, grind out all the milk you want,

uh, anytime, just by replaying the tape, uh, it, uh, life becomes pretty simple. Uh, you ask yourself, well, what do you do in a situation like that? Well, maybe you go traveling around the universe trying to save backward people like us. Uh, I don't know. There's all sorts of possibilities. Uh, life becomes pretty simple, and, uh, I think, uh, very idealistic in that, uh, you have a much greater measure of freedom, of choice to decide what you want to do rather than, uh, having to do a certain task or working at a certain job because you need to make a living just to, to pay the taxes, uh, to support, uh, Murder Incorporated or the murder of your fellow man like we do at the present time. Through wars and so on. It's, uh, and, uh, much of the, the motive for wars seems to be economic in that if you can't get, uh, what you need to meet the needs of your people because, uh, the process, the economic processes are inadequate in a money system, well, then, uh, you develop expansionistic philosophies like they, they have developed in China

to try to steal from some other nation either land or the material needs of their people. You may try to take over the earth assuming that, uh, that your particular people, uh, race of people, are more important than somebody else. If it's a matter of choice in limit, in limited circumstances, if there's only enough food to feed a certain number of people, well, a lot of people would rather it be their family that, uh, has the food rather than somebody else. Actually, we don't have a, um, a limitation of food or, or anything on this planet now, uh, that, uh, over the last 2,000-year period. We have developed a technology capable of producing abundance for everybody so that we can literally materialize a heaven-like existence if we can just figure out how to distribute it. And the space people claim that, uh, they have a superior type of, uh, economy which, uh, does not use money and does not have the limitations of money. And, uh, they have communicated this information to me as well as made the statement to almost every contactee

that we cannot, uh, expect to, uh, make any progress on this planet, uh, until we change to a non-money system of economics, uh, which will resolve, uh, help to resolve most of the problems facing mankind. Now, uh, this specific information as to how to do this and, uh, to, uh, constitute the various forms of more idealistic forms of government which resolve most of the problems about which people are complaining, I feel is, uh, one of the most important, uh, projects on this planet. If we don't start resolving our problems, if we don't start changing our, our ways, our attitudes, and, uh, when we say we're spiritually advanced, but, uh, every act of our life is, uh, uh, for the most part a violation of some universal law, then we're going to have to suffer through the law of cause and effect because of it. Once we understand what the universal law is, what the universal laws are, and how to, uh, uh, orient our social and economic structure to conform with these, uh, or orient the laws of our land under which everybody is forced to live,

uh, to coincide with universal principles and laws, then we will see these destructive conditions in our lives cease to exist because we have come to live by universal law rather than in violation of them. Uh, Mr. Van Tassel stated that there are people from, uh, Venus living amongst us. Uh, almost all contactees have been given the information that there are thousands and thousands of space people living amongst us and, uh, are. Some of them might be here. You wouldn't be able to tell them, uh, any difference from their appearance. Uh, we know that, uh, numbers of them have, uh, come to various conventions in the past because the contactees, uh, uh, know some of the people, uh, they have met some of these people aboard the crafts that they have been on. Uh, I had a whole list of, uh, of outlining the various states and cities from Bob Renaud of, uh, how many thousands of people they had in each locality at one time. Uh, but this is only representative of, uh, one, uh, faction of extraterrestrials that are now, uh, taking various strategic positions

in, uh, government, and, uh, in education, and, uh, in the, uh, news disseminating, uh, fields, television, et cetera, uh, for the purpose of, uh, of, uh, changing the direction in which we're heading, the destructive direction in which we're heading in a gradual manner so that it will not appear like we are being invaded. Uh, if the Martians were to come openly, uh, in their spaceships and, uh, try to, uh, take us over and say, now, you do things our way, there would be a lot of natural resentment against them, and a lot of people would be saying, Martian, go home. We don't want you. Or the other portion of the people would say, uh, uh, well, if you're so smart, why don't you do all my work for me? And, uh, as a result, we really wouldn't learn too much in the process. They have adopted, uh, the, the strategy, and I believe that it's an intelligent one, of, uh, giving us a helping hand, inspiring us to help ourselves, and giving us the knowledge with which to do it. But, uh, you can have, uh, a world of knowledge in a book,

but unless you make the effort to apply it and do apply it, uh, it's not going to do much, do you much good. Uh, the Flying Saucer Movement and its leaders now have the understanding of how to make a literal heaven out of this planet, and it is, uh, one of the purposes of this movement, to disseminate that information, uh, so that people will have a choice of, uh, uh, living by it, or, uh, analyzing this information for its merit, and, uh, if they feel it has merit, uh, greater merit than our present system, to do something about changing the status quo for the better of all people. If we do not now consider the welfare of all of humanity, uh, as our own, uh, what security do we have for ourself? Uh, very little. Uh, that, uh, if we do not see that, uh, the poverty-stricken masses of the rest of the world, uh, are elevated in their standard of living to that of our own, then they will have justification for trying to steal from us what they do not have. If, uh, a millionaire wants greater security than he has now, uh, it behooves him

to see that all of the rest of society has, uh, enough, uh, money or, uh, an automobile which has adequate brakes so that they won't, uh, wipe out his life in an accidental coll-collision because they had poor brakes through, uh, insufficient money to finance a new automobile or a brake job. Now, you carry this on, uh, you could char-go on with example after example to, uh, cite, uh, how this would affect, uh, everybody's life that, uh, if we can, uh, now apply the knowledge of the extraterrestrials to our way of life here, which is my understanding will be done and is the major overall purpose of the extraterrestrial visitations here because if we don't resolve our problems here and now, we constitute a threat to their continued existence through our developing the ability to annihilate this, uh, civilization, if not the planet itself, thereby endangering life on other nearby planetary bodies. So from a selfish point of view, they do have a vested interest in our interest here, and they are helping us out as our elder brothers,

as we help, uh, our younger, uh, brothers, uh, by sending missionaries to them to elevate them to, uh, a better understanding of life. Could you describe the space people's appearance, uh, voice, and so on? Uh, it depends on their level of advancement, uh, uh, but, uh, many of them, like, uh, Paul Villa's, uh, group of nine, seven to nine feet, uh, tall people from, uh, Como Breneses claimed that, uh, they, uh, could learn and did learn, uh, over 400 of our Earth's languages in a relative, uh, short period of time, uh, through their more sophisticated learning methods, and, uh, they spoke to him in English as they speak to any contactee in his native language, uh, unless he happens to be bilingual or multilingual, and this is the only way to communicate. It's simple for them to learn our language just as we train agents to, uh, learn Russian in, uh, when we send them to Russia. They, uh, learn every aspect of the Russian life so as not to be conspicuous. The space people train people or pick certain people as interplanetary ambassadors.

It doesn't mean that each person on another planet learns our language. They would have no, no, uh, reason for doing so because they would never be coming here. Uh, what, uh, uh, government organization is keeping the government from admitting the flying saucers, uh, are real. Um, well, of course, the Air Force has had the responsibility, has been a whipping boy of the government, and, uh, has, uh, had so much, uh, public criticism of their activities to suppress knowledge on this subject that, uh, I think the recent, uh, award of $300,000 to Colorado University is an effort to get public criticism off the Air Force, but, of course, the, uh, the Air Force, uh, or the people in the Air Force that are concerned with UFOs are a very small group of people, and they're just acting under orders. And the pilots that have to risk their lives chasing these UFOs every day have nothing to do with it. But, uh, the, uh, government apparently is dictating a policy, possibly through the CIA, uh, who is really not responsible to the, uh, the government,

uh, for anything. According to what I can learn, they can seem to have the ability to do anything they want, anytime they want, and lie to the people as much as they want. As to the reasons why, uh, they have developed this policy, uh, we can only, um, theorize since, uh, there are very few people, obviously, that determine this policy. Even, uh, most of the congressmen, uh, when they call for investigations and their constituents put pressure on them to, uh, have investigations of this subject, uh, they're told, uh, that, uh, this is none of your business, layoff or else. So, uh, I don't, uh, I don't think that, uh, we can expect that the government will, uh, will make any announcements that flying saucers are real. I think that, uh, everybody will realize that they are as, uh, the present policy of, uh, overflights and landings continues as an educational effort to focus more attention on the flying saucer movement and its purposes. This will also give greater stu- uh, support to organizations like this, uh, and there will be more of them in each

city of the world. One of, uh, uh, ASCA's purposes is to get more and more units, uh, throughout the United States. Other organizations have the same purpose. It doesn't matter much who disseminates the information because we're all, uh, brothers in spirit to, uh, get this information out to the people, which we feel is so vital. How are the spaceships powered? Uh, by some application of electromagnetic drive or gravitic drive when they're close to the surface of a planet. Uh, Dr. Fry could probably go into, uh, um, the technical detail uh, on this, but in general, they don't carry any fuels such as gasoline or atomic power. Uh, some, very few of them, uh, have um, a jet drive, but it does not, they're noiseless. Uh, they do not have, uh, uh, screeching jets like we do. Some of the small craft, uh, have this, uh, jet drive which is a, um, uh, still, uh, powered by a uh, uh, free energy type of, uh, power, but it is a jet thrust. Now, most of, uh, the other craft apparently uh, are operating on some displacement of the, of the gravity, uh,

field or the electromagnetic field or some application of that. And I would assume that there are as many applications of electromagnetisms or different types of, uh, space drives as there are applications of electricity, which, of course, you know there are numerous. Depending, depending upon the evolution of the people. Have you talked with space people from outer space? Yes, um, most of my conversations, uh, although limited, like most contactees, uh, to, uh, uh, a few minutes or a few hours conversation, uh, are limited in, in what you can cover. Uh, I suspect that, uh, I would have, uh, 24 hours full of questions if I ever had the opportunity to sit down with them and, uh, and ask them of somebody who could give me the answers. Uh, maybe I will someday, but I feel that through the information that has already been given, uh, it's enough to keep me busy for the rest of my life just, uh, working on the application of this information and knowledge. And, uh, as many of you people in all cult work know, you know that, uh,

through a psychic experience or some sort of spiritual experience, in the twinkling of an eye, you can obtain, uh, enough knowledge and information to, to really, uh, keep you busy for a lifetime, just, uh, carrying out, uh, what you became aware of during that split second of time. Uh, do you have any information on, uh, Ray or, oh, Tony. I, I suppose that's, uh, Tony Apao of the Philippines, uh, and he's doing this psychic surgery, uh, I don't know what information you want, uh, he apparently is opening the, uh, doing psychic surgery operations of, which there's a great deal of information going about now. These days I look upon these psychic, uh, surgeon operations as, uh, manifestations of the greater works of which Jesus spoke about that we would, uh, be doing in these latter days. And, uh, in case you're not an all cult student and don't know what time it is, these are the latter days spoken of in the Bible. And, uh, the latter, the end of an old age, and, uh, the beginning of a new, uh, more non-destructive, uh, state of existence on this planet.

It's sort of, uh, a, a graduation, a change of the status, uh, of this planet from, uh, uh, a grade school to a high, high school. We're going into a new period of time. And, um, of course it's taken a long time to arrive at this cycle, but, uh, the Piscean Age, or, uh, symbolized by conflict, struggle, and hardship through which people experience growth of the soul is now going, uh, into the Aquarian Age where there's harmony and, uh, greater enlightenment. There is doubt, uh, there is, uh, dissension, there is conflict in the Piscean-type atmosphere, situation, uh, there is belief, like we have numerous religions, we believe this, we believe that, we don't know very much of anything. But, uh, as we go into greater understanding and awareness, then we become, uh, gods like the space people in relation to us, or more god-like beings if we understand that through expansion of our consciousness we become aware of more and more of the universe or of what God is if God is composed of everything that exists of which we are a part. Then,

uh, you expand your awareness so that you can control your environment and, uh, then, uh, extend your lifespan and perhaps, uh, in time become immortal beings as is spoken of in our Bible. And, uh, perhaps, uh, before too long many people, or at least some of us, will be developing immortality and some people claim that, uh, this has already, uh, happened here on this planet. The four-foot-tall spaceman we call Renton claimed that he was, uh, alive in the time of Jesus and that would make him over 2,000 years old. He wouldn't tell me how much older than that he was. But if you, uh, can understand that through, if you have the ability to, uh, control matter through the power of your mind, just like Uncle Martin does on My Favorite Martian, he points his finger at an inanimate object in order to pictorially illustrate that it is being moved when actually it's being moved through the power of his mind or telekinesis as we call it. When you develop this ability, then, uh, I don't see any reason why the body has to die because if you can control the cell structure

of matter to rejuvenate it so it is eternally young, where is death of the physical body? Even though there is perhaps no death of the soul, survival of the consciousness. I'll leave that to Dan Fry, positive and negative. That's about all I know about it. Did you know that George Adamski was on several trips on a flying saucer? Yes, uh, of course these are well known to people in the field. He has two books called, uh, Flying Saucers Have Landed and Inside the Spaceships, and his last one, Flying Saucers Farewell. Why don't we have pictures of space people, not only ships? Uh, there's been a lot of people that want to take pictures of them and some people have and have tried. Uh, when I was with a group of people that uh, had conversations with space people, one of them tried to take a grab shot of the spaceman and the flash bulb didn't work. It was a brand new camera but it wouldn't work at all, so through the power of their mind, if you try to do something that they don't want you to, it's not going to work. That is, if

they are sufficiently advanced. Now, I'm not saying that everybody is that sufficiently advanced just because they come to Mars, come from Mars or some other planet. Yes? Uh, it, uh, concerns the overall strategy uh, that they've been using for the last 20 years, which if they wanted to force the reality of their existence on us, uh, they could have done this in 1947 or a few hundred years before that or a few thousand years before that. Actually, we weren't ready for, uh, for it. Uh, we, we are just about ready for it. Now, I, I feel uh, although the saucer movement still has to to, uh, do a lot more growing, get better organized, to take advantage of what a sensational uh, event of this uh, would create. Uh, you see, the world is in such a behind the eight ball, you might say, in which the mediums of communications are so controlled by the status quo. So people who have economic investment in the, uh, let's say the power, uh, the obsolete forms of power that we're using today are, uh, in oil, gas, uh, uh, anything else that you can name

and if great changes are going to be made for the betterment of the people as a whole, if, if a person has an economic investment in something that's going to be, become obsolete, then there is a motiva- motive for trying to thwart any change or progress. Uh, we see this in our labor unions, which try to thwart efficient operation of our factories because they realize that if machines, uh, turn uh, turn out the production of our land, that uh, there's not going to be adequate distribution of purchasing power or money to people to buy the products which those machines produce. So, uh, in a money system, you have a, an irresolvable problem, uh, uh, so that, uh, you have the constant struggle between uh, labor and management through the wage price spiral. Wages go up, naturally you can't squeeze blood out of a tournament, and uh, prices have to go up in order to pay for those increased wages. Uh, so that, uh, there is a conflict, uh, between, uh, labor and management, same as there is between the two, uh, major parties of this country, the Democrats

and Republicans. The Democrats are primarily representing the special interests of labor, and the Republicans primarily are representing the special interests of management, or those people who are wealthier than somebody, uh, that, uh, doesn't have wealth. So, uh, they call each other dirty names because there is no resolving of, uh, most of these problems. Uh, although, uh, both, uh, factions have legitimate, uh, reasons, uh, and, uh, goals. For instance, uh, certainly the, the goal uh, of, uh, uh, Republicans have more efficient government operation, and, uh, um, uh, a greater measure of freedom for people, so that, uh, you don't have all these controls and big government telling you what to do. Uh, certainly this is, uh, a, a good ideal. But on the other hand, uh, how, how are we going to, uh, meet the needs of people unless we increase, uh, taxes or, uh, take something away from people in order to finance them? Well, uh, we, we can't, we just can't, there's no way of resolving each problem, no way of financing all the,

the new freeways that we would need in order to eliminate traffic congestion. Uh, uh, no way to finance all the foreign aid programs to send technical assistant, uh, teams to foreign countries to show them how to elevate their standard of living to that of ours, et cetera. All of these obstacles are overcoming, uh, an economic system which space people claim they use called, uh, universal economics, and, uh, which, uh, we will be describing. Uh, we will be having some meetings, uh, in my home at AFSCA headquarters, uh, next Sunday afternoon in case any of you are interested in talking about, uh, or learning about the, uh, detailed, uh, explanation of this economic system called universal economics as, uh, well as, uh, talking about, uh, problems, uh, concerning our, our movement and, uh, just, uh, sitting down and uh, uh, having you contribute, uh, your thoughts and your ideas as to how, uh, we can do something to better the effectiveness of the flying saucer movement. Certainly there is something that each one of you can do,

something that you can contribute, and, uh, we'd like to have you participate in this, uh, very vital social reform, uh, educational reform program. If it's, uh, nothing but telling your, your neighbor about what you've heard here, uh, tonight, even though they might think you're a little bit loony, bring them around and, uh, they might not, uh, think so afterwards. But if enough people like yourself stand up and be counted, and, uh, stand up for what you believe in, and, uh, let your thoughts be known to others, you'll be surprised how many people will be standing with you eventually. Uh, to answer the question again, uh, about the pictures, uh, we are gradually getting more and more, uh, uh, evidence, uh, of, of these objects, and they're gradually letting us take better pictures. Uh, eventually, uh, we can look forward to, uh, uh, better pictures, uh, taken such as people standing in front of these spaceships, perhaps with some of the people that are, uh, much taller than us, which will constitute much better forms of evidence

than we have at the present time. Eventually we'll be coming back from other planets, perhaps, with mo- motion pictures of their way of life in order to more adequately inspire us to emulate it. I might say that,

uh, according to them, most of our biblical works are in reality a historical record of extraterrestrial contact and communication. That is, that they are the people, they are the gods, they are the lords, they are the lord of lords. The people that our people a couple thousand years ago talked to are, are met in their spaceship when, uh, the spaceship landed, uh, landed on Mount, uh, Herboyne, or, uh, when the Ten Commandments were given. Uh, uh, the top of the mountain was surrounded by clouds, uh, which is, uh, typical of, uh, a, uh, cloud formation around the, uh, form, uh, spaceship, uh, certain types of spaceships. And, of course, if, uh, there was any radiation around the craft, they certainly wouldn't want people coming close to the craft. There are, uh, also remotely controlled devices which can, uh, pick up, uh, a person's thoughts, uh, uh, they can pick up the thoughts of, uh, everyone here tonight, um, monitor what they're thinking, monitor what we're saying, uh, pick up, uh, perhaps using the brain waves of, uh,

several different people in the audience to act as, uh, television video lenses. And, uh, picking up these brain waves and, and, uh, projecting them in 3D color on their video sets aboard their craft. At, uh, Bob Renaud, uh, reported, uh, attending a, um, motion picture on, in one of the underground, uh, undersea bases, rather, in which he, uh, happened to see me in 3D, uh, color at our 1959 convention at Statler Hilton. It was just sort of a special event. I suppose that they have all sorts of re-, recordings. Uh, Reinhold Schmidt claimed that he uh, witnessed President Eisenhower and, uh, at one of the summit meetings when he was aboard the ship and saw a cruise ship pounding his, uh, shoe on a platform, uh, aboard the video set, uh, when he was, uh, in one of the spaceships. Other planets detect, uh,

earthquakes, uh, according to, uh, a lot of information being received from, uh, them. Uh, yes, they're, they're monitoring a lot of our, our earthquake activity and the pressures on our fault lines and, uh, do have craft, uh, for purposes of evacuation in case it becomes necessary in case of, uh, extreme catastrophe. Uh, they do have, uh, teleportation devices or, or anti-gravity beams such as George Adamski, uh, went up, uh, uh, and Dan Martin went up on one of the spaceships and, uh, they, uh, so, uh, if you suddenly find yourself ascending into the heavens, uh, don't get too excited. Uh, perhaps you, it's, uh, necessity and, uh, enjoy the experience and be glad that, uh, you're having it. It may save your life. Uh, I could probably go on here, uh, all night or for the next two weeks talking about various aspects of this subject, but I understand they're gonna close the building before too long, so you better get out before they do and I better sign up. There's one more question here. Maybe I can answer it real fast. Uh,

that's a week from this Sunday and, uh, if you might be interested, uh, please, uh, give us your name and address, uh, out front where my wife, Helen, is and give us your phone number and, uh, if you want to call up in the meantime and, uh, tell us later on that you're coming to make sure that we have enough room, uh, please do, uh, contact us. Uh, we're in the phone book under Flying Saucers or Augmented Flying Saucer Clubs of America. It's been my pleasure to talk with you and we hope that you have learned a little bit more about some of the aspects of this fascinating and vital subject. Thank you. We'll hope to see you January

the 28th. Make sure that we have your name and address for the notices to be sent you and have a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and keep yourselves alive and safe. God bless you each one.