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1976 February 28th Maybe Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Lee Yates Introduces Bill Cox On Dowsing The 1hr41min Bill Hamilton Talks On Ufos 1976

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [34:56] Main address
• [01:46:45] Development of the main themes
• [02:39:10] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

evening, Bill Cox, who will talk on psychic contact with the inner planes, and this will be on the spiritual as well as the physical. So we hopefully look forward to learning something from both avenues of awareness and understanding. So, Mr. Cox, you step forward and take over. Before I relinquish the podium here, I'd like to say that the lecture will last approximately an hour, the time our speaker begins. We'll have a 10-minute drawing after that time, a 10-minute break, and then browse around for the books and literature that you may be interested in, and then we'll call you

back and have a drawing for a door prize, so hold on to the ticket you were given, and then we'll have the question and answer period from the floor, and it may also bring out a discussion. So we'll have a demonstration and answer to the question. Thank you. I consider it a great, great pleasure to be here this evening, because you come highly recommended, too. Elaine Pike, who spoke to you a few weeks back, sends her love.

We got a nice letter from Dan Fry and Taha Leta sending their love down from Merlin, Oregon. So we've got lots of love in the room. Okay, what I'm going to do is divide this. This is going to be a double lecture, and I'm going to go twice as fast. I'm going to talk to first. I'm going to talk to first half about dowsing, and the last half will be on pyramid or energy of form, and the dowsing will kind of lead you along the path, and that's the pyramid energy that I will explain a little more understandable.

If you have any questions, if you have a real burning question, don't interrupt me, and I won't get angry, but if you can wait, I may cover it anyway, and there will be the question and answer session at the end, and so I'll answer your questions as best I can. Then I will, I have the arm meter here, and I'll demonstrate that the dowsing will be on pyramid or energy. So I'm going to start with the arm meter. In my hands, or in your hands possibly, you should be able to, with a little practice, be able to outline energy fields from the human body, the aura, telepathic beams, and

many other emanations. I won't have a chance to measure everybody because I've been swept out the door in more than one place trying to measure everybody in the room, but what I might do, if you pick the one measurement you want, maybe we can get almost everybody, but I'll help measure the telepathic beams and also the dowsing. The third eye. Now, this is something I've been working on for a couple months. You're going to ask me questions about it that I can't answer.

All I know is that I can feel emanations coming out from the position of the third eye, and I get the most unusual configuration. Also, there are some other things that might blow your mind a little bit, as the kids say, and so I'll probably wheel these tables back at the end. So as I understand it, the demonstration will follow the break after the one-hour lecture. So here we go. And I'm going to use a blackboard quite a bit, and if you can't see or you can't hear, speak up.

First of all, as a professional dowser, I had the great privilege of working with Vern Cameron of Elsinore, the late Vern Cameron, who passed away a year ago in March. Vern was probably among three or four all-time, not contemporary, but all-time great dowsers. He spent 47 years as a full-time locator. When I started to work with him, I was writing a short story. I wrote a short story on him for the High Country Quarterly, a 2,000-word article, and Vern backed up to my doorstep literally with a dump truck full of documents, and when I got through, I realized that I really had something.

I had a lion by the tail. So he asked me then to collaborate with him on his book, which I did. We spent 18 months putting out aqua video locating underground water and two pamphlets. Also, Georgiana and I have been producing the Pyramid Guide, which is based on about 25 years of studies. We've been working with Dowsing and Energies, what we call etheric or numeral world energies, that are measurable with Dowsing instruments. And Dowsing is a non-scientific, I should say it's less than that.

It is looked down on by many of the scientific brotherhood, so to speak, as being a rather kind of a far-out thing. But wonderful things are happening. In the last year, they're coming up with physical apparatus, material apparatus that will measure things. We've known for years of Dowsing. So Dowsing is coming into a little bit better standing. Anyway, working with Vern, I had the privilege of working in the field with him, and he forgot

more than I'll never know, as they say. But what I'm going to try to do now is capsulize just the general techniques of Dowsing to you. I didn't even bring the rods or the fork switch. So I'm going to hit you real fast with it. And by the way, I give a class. If you're interested, maybe we could get a class up here in a couple months. And then we go into detail, and you can work with a pendulum. And you learn how to Dows.

You work with the instruments. We work with map Dowsing, remote locating, and the whole bit. OK, now the Orr meter, there is a combination of instruments that was devised by Mr. Cameron after about nearly 30 years of intense research. And what he wanted was, instead of getting out on the job and getting a weighing device, which goes up and down like this, or a water compass, which sways this way, or a pendulum, which gyrates, he found the Orr meter, finally, working with. Very ingenious little spring inside the handle and the coil spring, that the Orr meter would

do all these things. So it really is the most sophisticated Dowsing device in the world, and there are perhaps around 3,500 in use now on this planet. We find, working with the Orr meter and with engineers, and they've been tested, that it will measure down into the milli ounces of pull. And the instrument is capable of measuring energies or the most subtle or subliminal vibrations that you can imagine. And when I'm working with the Orr meter, I go through various stages, and this is what

I'm going to show you on the blackboard. And I try to get into the highest stage, the divine that puts, or the word that puts divine in divining. Now, roughly, when we get through just even a short lecture, you'll know quite a bit more about Dowsing than a good deal of the Dowsers. They don't know what happens, they just do it. So you're going to have a little bit of a technical understanding. Now, we could be dead wrong on this, but Vern Cameron's answers were so good, I haven't

found anything better. So we'll assume that they're correct until somebody comes along with something a little more refined. Okay. I'm working with the mines. Everybody says, why don't you just put this thing in a vise and bring a bucket of water up to it, and then see if the instrument will move up and down. I tell them, well, just stick the keys in your car and send it down to the grocery store

for local bread. You have to have a psyche. The human factor must be there. So what we're really going to do, we're going to gather information. We're going to take the information, and we're going to put it in a vise, and we're going to put it in a vise, and we're going to put it in a vise, and we're going to put it in a vise. Okay.

So what we're really going to do, we're going to gather information in dowsing, beyond our five physical senses. So in order to work this out, fortunately, my background is different from Vern's. I was a professional musician for many years, and I learned by using symbols and using other techniques a lot of things that Vern didn't articulate to me. Okay. but he, more or less, he gave me the foundation, and I came up with these theories.

So if you like them, keep them. If you don't, toss them right out the window. This would be the conscious mind. This would be the memory pattern. This would be the subconscious. Can you hear me all right? This would be the collective, unconscious. This would be the superconscious.

Now, actually, it's all one mind, and not only that, this is not just my mind, it's your mind. We're all really in one mind, even though we appear to be separated. So in the conscious state, I'm aware of my five physical senses, and I rely on the influence that I get there.

And I make decisions in my conscious mind based on experience I have through the conscious and my memory pattern. So when I need to relate to a certain incident, I draw an experience out of my memory pattern, and it tells me pretty well that I'm in a conscious state. That's what's going on.

Now, in mind control, they call this the beta state. And this is from about 14 to 28 cycles per second as measured on an EEG. Now, the next state, now that you hear a lot about this, is the alpha. And below that is theta.

And below that is delta. And briefly, that's deep sleep. This is a deep sleep stage there, and these are where the intuition works. Now, I figured if I'm going to depend on my conscious mind to look through the earth and get information, say,

about flowing underground water, then I better quit right away because I can't see through the earth. So I have to rely on other resources. So I go to my subconscious mind, and I also go to the collective unconscious. And what I had to do was set up a two-way communication system

with my mind and train them, and hopefully in time, I finally unlock a channel that gets me into the superconscious, and I don't need to worry about any of it. Something else is working, another power. Now, in working with the subconscious mind,

I envision that it is able to get information for me in the now. In other words, it is able to go transcend time or space. It can go through the earth. It can go anywhere on an instant. It can give me the information, hopefully, and relay it back.

Now, the subconscious mind doesn't talk to me in English. It sends up impressions and forms a symbol. Now, sometimes it would be what I do, I just kind of like a theater or a screen, and I get the information coming

in a form of pictures, maybe. Or it may be in a form of language. But anyway, the information coming out from the subconscious, I have to understand what kind of a little rascal he is because he doesn't know right from wrong.

He doesn't know whether he's giving me good information or bad information. All he knows is that he's scanning to give me the information I'm asking for and give it to me. Now, unfortunately, the subconscious mind, being limited

only to the information he can get and not knowing whether it's good or bad, I have to determine that, and I have to train the subconscious how not to, how not to give me wrong information and have what we know as a dowsing failure

because it's very expensive when somebody spends $10,000 to drill a well and your subconscious mind is giving you wonderful reactions and responses and there's no water down there. Unfortunately,

there's some men that have had that and I haven't had that experience yet. But I know the danger is always close. I'll give you an example. We're setting up two worlds here, really.

Here is the outer world and this is the inner world. I'm going to show you the outer world and this is the inner world. I'm going to show you the outer world and this is the inner world.

I'm going to show you the outer world, right here. And I can show you in just a very short time here that I can get you seeing, smelling, touching, tasting and feeling

inside, in your intuition. And perhaps if you work with it through meditation for long enough, you will find that that's more real and tastes better

and smells better and sees better than the outer world. And this is why you have some guys meditating in the caves over in India right now. They like it so well

they don't want to come out. Now, over here in the outer area, I've called this again divided these up in a line here and this is the intellectual and over here

is the intuitional. Let's do that. Intuitional state. Now, you take the average guy that goes to college and if he becomes an expert in his field and he's gotten it out

of textbooks and lectures like this and so on, he relies pretty much on his intelligence or his intellect and he gauges everything

pretty well on that. And he has a memory pattern with quite a large amount of information in his mind that he can use to understand

things and he has quite a storehouse of data in there and he can come up with answers and whenever I get into a discussion

with an intellectual he can cut me to pieces because I must admit I never was an intellectual but I have whatever I did have I came over into intuitional state

and I prefer to stay over here. I haven't gone to the cave yet but it's helped me a lot. Now, the one point I'd like to make is this.

That there are extremes. If you just go here in the intuitional you can sort of get out of touch with what we call the real outer world

and by the same token the intellectual who doesn't trust his intuition at all once in a while he sticks his big toe over there and because he doesn't

use it enough he stubs it and he retreats right back over the intellect and picks up a couple more books and retreats

more into what he can pick up in terms of external output. Now, I think the whole man would be somebody who could bridge

the two who could walk back and forth between the two worlds with one of these supermen. He probably wouldn't belong on this planet

anymore. He'd probably be battling his way up on another plane if he could do that. But I think this is the goal to strive for

because the scientists that I've talked to maybe they don't want to lend their name to the phenomenal or let's call it the alcohol world but they travel

over here in the intuitional and I find that they are really outstanding people and they have plenty of intellect over here too.

Okay, now let's remember that the conscious or the inner world five sensory you're getting into the subconscious you're coming over

into the intuition world here or the inner world and as I say the five senses will work. Now, let me tell you about the subconscious.

If I say orange this orange and then you may just think of the color orange and some of you may think

of an orange itself. But let's just carry it a little further. Now, we're going from imagination into visualization. Now, if I say

let's picture the orange in its color and the texture and its shape and now let's let's smell it just try to smell

an orange if you can and then we take the knife and we cut the orange and I picked it just a little bit unripe and we cut the knife and I squeeze it

and you can just hear the juice running down into the cup and you're just you're going to have a sip of that tangy juice in just a second

and already I've got your mouth watering and mine too with an orange it doesn't exist except if you have eaten bring that forward

so I just made you more or less feel, taste and smell and maybe and if we feel the peeling of the skin

you can feel it but the inner world is very real and the more you visualize the more and work in the intuition the more you're going to have what we call

psychic experiences and the better ones you will have they will be voluntary and you will find your powers of telepathy and mental processes

beyond what we call the physical will increase rapidly I have known not only for myself but some people I'm in association with

using these principles we're having some really outstanding rapid growth in this area and we're not having we're not running up into goblins

and green elephants running up the walls and all these things that they say that you have in the astral plane we're having really good experiences

okay now the subconscious just served up an orange it really doesn't exist that came out of your subconscious mind as far as

I'm concerned and therefore the subconscious in its effort to please if I try too hard to look for an underground

stream of water and I'm always looking for moving underground water because it's usually free of pollution if I want to try too hard

it will make my instrument bounce around with a stream that isn't there and I'll get all of the responses I'm going to show

you now so what I have to do is train it I only just it's kind of a subtle request that I make in the subconscious

so let's presume here that this aisle is about a three foot wide underground stream of water and it's about 70 feet down

let's say 72 feet make it technical and the stream is flowing that way I'm coming along all I'm asking for is moving underground water

I don't know any of the things I just told you and as I come to the edge of the stream the instrument will bend off

in the direction of the flow hopefully now then I'll find the other side of the stream is it 10 20

30 is it 40 feet is it 50 is it 50 is it 70 and we'll stop rolling now if I go back

to 70 is it 71 yes 72 yes 73 no now that if I'm doing that right

I'm getting it probably from the subconscious or a deeper level of mind it isn't if I'm getting it from here

I'm in real trouble and this is what makes it hard in the water world I find it very very difficult to believe that the subconscious

mind can give you this type of information but it can because I've gotten information many times bedrock at 320

and they get it at 318 water predicted at three levels it comes in within a foot or two or right on

that is mathematically not only improbable it's impossible for me to do it as a human being walking around on this planet

if I think too much if I visualize that stream flowing through cobblestones or whatever and I can

just see the water and I overdo it then the subconscious mind is going to come up with that phony orange we just did so I have to just

ask it and then just kind of release it now the key to this is that the subconscious gets the information

in the now but there's another tool that's available is the collective unconscious this would be in some kind of a universal

repository and it's available to us at any time if we can unlock the symbolic key to make the connection this makes it possible

for people to make predictions they don't always hit right but when they do it is really fantastic they are able to with cosmic memory

to go back in time I know some people who don't have time because they're really running fast who are furnishing information

for example to the London Museum adding data or two mysteries that they have part of the archaeological findings

and they're unable to substantiate them this person comes through with the information they check the data and they've got it he has to get it

from a source beyond his knowledge he doesn't know anything about archaeology he has words come through that he doesn't

even understand he just writes them down so if the collective unconscious can move backward and forward

in time he can see earthquake falls or the fissures whatever that created the stream and the activity

and so I can get past data by going into the collective unconscious it's interesting to note I've been put on the EEG

and some other dowsers that we're not producing alpha at all we're going just like a rock from beta

right down into theta that is a real intuitional state as far as I'm concerned I believe that alpha probably unlocks maybe the theta

then there would be kind of a vibrational activity going on between those two states now this collective unconscious is a little harder to communicate

in particular like I said setting up a two way communication is difficult because the collective unconscious cannot speak English

it would be like a foreigner living in my house could be a Frenchman I can't speak any French he can speak no English but because we have a desire to communicate

I use body language and he uses body language and we can get along at a time because of a desire to communicate so I realize that I can do this

with my collective unconscious and so I've set up some symbols that I've adapted universal symbols mostly I'm going slow

and I've also found that I'm getting symbols from the collective unconscious at night or when I daydream these dreams that come floating up that you don't understand

that's the collective unconscious that's striving to get some kind of a message to you don't eat too much or don't smoke too much or hey you're having

such a good time but it's always trying to send up a message and you're getting in the form of dreams and psychiatrists psychologists

are really going crazy trying to interpret somebody else's dreams because I think they're very personal and what may be your dream may not apply

at all for another person so the dreams or the messages that come up are symbols now it would be beautiful to train the collective unconscious

with symbols that I can send down and say okay now I want this information so I have been working to try to and this is

called yellow you can see some of the emotions and there are a lot of emotions and some of

the emotions that are out there so the idea of some of the symbols is that you are

doing something that you truly want or that you really

want but that you don't want to have meditated on the cross or revered it in some way think of the tremendous thought energy they have given to that and i can tell you i can measure thought energy with your meter and that

can we can take a cross and bless that and the energies that will go up from that are really outstanding now also here's another one it's a heart and valentine type heart and i use it when i want to send a love message out telepathically and i make that thing swell up and get it just as big as this building and send it out with color and vibrating and i'm having wonderful telepathic rapport both receiving and sending and i'm it isn't only on love i'm having it almost a warning sometimes if something's wrong with somebody i can pick it up or i can send it so using these symbols i know that my collective unconscious understands this because that's all people have been thinking of the heart is love and the cross it's a religious

devotion for thousands of years so i've got a built-in symbol i don't have to train the unconscious to understand what they are it already knows so at least i've started very in a very kindergarten way to set up a two-way communication now uh the collective is conscious can also travel out of body and assure you that we're not subject to space or time uh and using these levels of mind we can picture ourselves right now as standing on the moon looking back at the earth right just in an instant we can be there and we can visualize earth there's no such thing as time or space in this dimension this is what makes it a little bit

a little bit scary for some people who haven't been dealing with the intuition too long but move slowly make your your protection the white light or whatever techniques you use and go into the intuition trust it and i'll tell you it's a marvelous experience now those of you who are already in there you can develop it by working these symbols now i brought these are just selected from the library they're just random symbols in fact some of these were used by industrial corporations in the world but to me they have some kind of a significance and they we have gotten letters from other people who don't always get the same responses with a pendulum or dowsing devices that i do but they do get responses these have energy just this two-dimensional

symbol just taken out of the uh library uh the focal point on these will be up here they seem to come right up like a cone shape and have an energy that is measurable and we can get beyond that focal point or short of it and when these are cut into a three-dimensional form why you've got more power you've got to believe that these will work you have to believe that dowsing will work and you can do these and when you once you believe it and you set up the proper sequence and give it the energy you're going to get some responses okay now and working with this symbol here this symbolizes to me energy it's a sign of intense energy because it seems to move just as i look at it now that's a visual energy so when i want to send energy into my body say that i'm feeling fatigue and uh i have

to get along on about four or five hours sleep at night and maybe not getting that much sometimes i do get a little tired but when i use this symbol go into meditation a little breathing exercise i've got so much energy i don't know what to do with it so the problem then is controlling the energy that comes in it's like prana or psychic energy whatever you want to call it so you have to go slow because it is raw energy that works for me in this case and the few people i know who use it have the same response this is a picture of dr a commercial this is our pyramid guide by the way that's our bi-monthly newsletter here's dr anderson who puts a pyramid on top of his head and the pyramid as i will show you also artificially induces psychic energy the body

okay getting back to delving now the pendulum is very effective it has its limitations but it is a very very responsive instrument and it may work for you where the rods or the wand or the fork switch or maybe the arm meter won't work as good so find the instrument that responds for you develop your own convention or code for example over here or left is no and i am artificially inducing the instrument to move now but when i get beyond this state here it's like a super conscious state i'm really not too aware of any of my external five senses and i'm not too much concerned with my internal world senses either this thing this wire seems to be missing from here and that tip is just floating out there

in space and i'm not really aware of where i'm at and when i'm doing that i know i'm piped in at the high source and i've had my most really quite amazing responses in water locations or whatever i'm searching using that technique and i don't just walk out and do it i have to kind of work up to it now with the arm meter the it was tested by alvin kaufman an engineer in los angeles and they tried to find every way with stylus and recorder a movie to see if bern cameron was cheating and he wasn't it isn't coming what they call motor automatism or from a conscious physical direction it is coming from a deeper level of the mind so what is it it's a symbol it's a physical prop to give you information that's

coming from the deeper levels of mind so a lot of guys say what kind of the what kind of minerals have you got what does that mean what kind of ore what's the length of that what kind of what gauge what that doesn't mean anything as long as you have nice uh limber response there it can be in green wood or it can be from any tree you can work from a clothesline wire or coat hanger wire and you're going to get a very good response is that you must set up the processes of belief or faith and uh incidentally faith i read i think it was today and i liked it so faith is when you're you're expecting to believe in something that's beyond your five senses or beyond the external world five senses i don't i think the time is

running short but this is generally a real fast shot on dowsing and i'd like to get into the pyramids because it's going to take a little longer this is an exact miniature replica of the great pyramid of gisa it is constructed on an angle of 51 degrees 51 minutes and 14 seconds as near as possible the bottom has been added because it enhances the energy that works within and from without the pyramid because of its form is called an energy accumulator and the greatest amount of energy seems to be working up from the ridges and it's tremendous amount working from the apex and then this pyramid going up in a shaft maybe a little over a half inch in diameter like a round shaft and as far as we know it's going up into infinity and the energies are

going up and coming in both like alternating current there's a vortex action going around the pyramid and we find the vortex action is going in both directions which was quite a mystery so apparently we're we're not limiting this thing there are so many types of energies and motions here that it's hard to see just what is really going on inside there's also a vortex action going in both directions now what we see now is the manifestation of the energy accumulator it is pretty much a link the energy is coming from contents of the structure its being Half Titan this energy cumulatingúcil matrix it works on top of its Majesty hybrid atoms and how the earth water forms up in the surface of this semi- compatriotic

and it will also biscuit from the earth's Maldon organization and that is also true in the form of nature and and its future because we have this co-creation Hey Unknown and you say though so it mean Eish verschiedene arrives along the orbit aging as a Antarctic to be when the pyramid is oriented with one panel to the north direction as near as possible that would be celestial or magnetic north I don't think there's

too much difference between the two and you put your specimen on a platform inside about one-third above the floor of the pyramid that seems that's the King's Chamber level in the Great Pyramid of Giza I wish I had a couple hours to tell you all of the marvelous things that are being discovered in the pyramid related to our mathematics our astronomy our astrology our geology the whole thing is in our biblical prophecy the Arab-Israeli war was was predicted in there and I think it's 1948 the World War one World War two were predicted anyway the special platform at the bottom holding their razor blade for

example with the long part of the blade on a north-south axis seems to do the job the pendulum I mean the pyramid will cause the pendulum to gyrate above either clockwise or counterclockwise depending on the person operating the instrument it makes the rods a single rod will gyrate two rods will cross above once in a while someone will have where the rods tend to turn up it alters TV and radio reception unconnected in fact it has all of the color on the TV set on one of our readers in Temple City and channel 13 I think it is he likes to watch the fights he never could hardly

get it on his station when he rigged the pyramid nearby it was the best he got it better than any of the others all the way up to the top of the pyramid there's a lot of things that can be done with it all the way up to the top of the pyramid there's a lot of things that can be done with it all the way up to the top of the pyramid there's a lot of things that can be done with it although once in a while this is problems for somebody else to work out it ruined a couple other channels they didn't come in quite as good but anyway it showed that something's happening there and science can work that problem off it will also cause the hand levitate we have another what we call a

levitation pyramid with one panel out removing a panel or all panels will not seem to hurt the pyramid at all it's the corners and the ridges the form that counts so if you were just to make one out of wire even thread if you had a maypole running up the holding threads there you would find it would really generate the energy and do the job the bigger the pyramid the greater the energy the as I say the bottom seems to enhance the energy perhaps two and a half to three times now there are other forms that work the cone shape it seems to be that the band

or you know a spectrum of energies in the cone lies within the pyramid range we find them in the pyramid but we don't find the pyramid energies in the cone so the cone has its own distinctive band the cylinder creates energy we're talking about real weak responses in relation to what the the pyramid and the cone will do they seem to be the two most superior spheres and hemispheres also reproduce a great deal of energy but nothing like the pyramid which is a most the most perfect form and Vernon labeled it God's holy mark because it seems to be a you know universal form throughout the entire space Buckminster

Fuller a great scientist in our time believes that the pyramid or triangular form is a basic component structure from which all all designs and all forms originate and if you want to get a little bit far out but we have some clairvoyant and through hypnosis very other techniques I haven't I'm not a hypnotist myself but I have been both people have gone under hypnosis and they tell us that the pyramid is such a universal form that if you were to wish to buy locate your body and that would be the quickest way you could do it

and you would reappear in another pyramid somewhere if even on another planet or if you wish to communicate with somebody on another planet if there's life form there where you would have a better chance of doing it if you were in a pyramid and the other life form was also in one there's a man named L George Lawrence and San Bernardino who has devised an instrument or with other scientists for measuring thought they've been communicating with planets plants as you know and they can tell the emotions and the plants are having many of the same type of responses that we

give when we're upset or excited whatever and he hooked up this plant to his apparatus and put a telescope out in a galaxy in outer space and he found that the plant responded telepathically to another life form this is recorded on tape and whatever and it's in the Smithsonian Institute now I'm believed to be the first scientific proof of interplanetary communication between two life forms this thought thing is interesting too because the pyramids are being used to communicate as I told you also people are using them for meditation it seems to heighten

their ability to get into meditation quicker they're seeing dreams visions out-of-body experiences past lives we're getting all kinds of reports from all over the world unrelated one to another in other words we're getting many parallels so either they're under a form of synchronicity where they're to me of the collective unconscious mind and getting the same idea at the same time like inventors will do on two sides of the world but nevertheless they're giving us reports of responses that are really exciting and we have a young man in Fresno who's going into the

manufacturer of the corners and the apex of pyramids and you make your own anywhere from maybe a foot high up to twenty feet high as big as you want to it you just put your own post in there the angles are all set and i'm telling you i think he's got a good thing going there people all over the world writing in about them now and he's going to have them on the market within a month or so now this is just a temp simple uh biofeedback that's i see i'm in pretty good intuitional state in fact i couldn't really keep up on extra extraneous uh talk uh if i wasn't pretty well in my intuitional level now the more excited i get the faster this goes and this is just like if they call it a galvanic skin response indicator uh something

like the lie detector and the more moisture there is on your fingers the faster this thing goes let's see let's you take a hold of this he's pretty much in his conscious mind i hope so because

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he's probably listening and he looks wide awake and that's the way i like him i'm not i'm not making fun of it because sometimes i make this thing go faster but anyway this little instrument here uh is great for getting into a kind of a quiet meditative state because it has a light on the top also as well as the sound to work with so we've been using this now anyway they have devised an instrument for measuring thought and this scientist uh at sonoma state college was able to concentrate on a nuclear reactor imagine with one thought for a minute and 30 seconds he could only think of his wife for 60 seconds they tried again and it came out the same way now this uh

but our thoughts even well talking to you yours are probably going to beep beep beep as your thoughts change where it picks him up now the ticket here is to keep your mind on focused on one thing but like i say if the desire is too great then that subconscious will serve up false information so you've got to use a little technique i've developed here to kind of trick the subconscious mind let's see this would be thought this would be desire this is emotion okay now it starts out with thought i want to locate underground water and then when i realize that i'm going to be paid for making the location and also the people need the water and the thing is

set up i get a desire to locate the water that's greater than just a single thought and then it's pretty hard to get emotional about it underground water but when you realize that people may lose the homestead or the many many reasons they're hauling water they maybe want to grow plants organic plants or they want to feed people they want to do it for a good purpose and if i talk to them a little while i can work up an emotion and i can feel the same desire to get the water as they do so these are the three processes i try to set up when i'm located now let me tell you about thought i use this one have any of you heard my lecture before i think the mcginney's here thank you so i'll i'll bore you with this stuff now this is uh i'm not getting off the

pyramid i'm just trying to get back to it uh okay here's another one over here now those are those of c's candy and unfortunately i'm a candy oholic and i have to work on it to keep from just being totally controlled by sweets because it's a tough proposition i grew up in a family where the first one in the candy dish won and and i didn't always win and that made it even the desire greater now these things i picture these as floating around in the astral plane that is a platform i visualize that nice white box of candy and it is good you know i picture that thing floating around and the more i think about it i'm not sure what happens but the same thing has a result whether it finds another box that attaches to this one or whether

another box touches it and they integrate and it becomes twice as big but i know when i'm driving down the street and i see a candy store or if i know it on the way i start thinking about this by the time i get almost alongside the steering wheel of the car turns left into the driveway the wheels just melt my legs melt and i start to feel like i'm in a place i'm like hey blown in. The next thing I know, I bought two boxes of candy and I'm only going to eat two pieces before I get home and I eat more. What happens is I build a thought form as big as the Empire State Building and I am no longer the master. That is a symbol to me. And that subconscious mind says, well, look, I want to see his candy. I'm going to

give it to him. And he really does. He does it with alcohol and the guy that smokes a cigarette. The guy really doesn't want a cigarette. He probably has kind of a bad taste in his mouth or maybe he's been drinking too much and he's got a headache. But the subconscious mind is sending us a drink, have another drink or have another cigarette. And the guy reaches down and takes it whether he wants it or not. So knowing that that's the way this subconscious mind behaves and works with thought form, I've got the same thought forms done. And I can, by the way, I haven't dissolved these C's candy boxes, but I do drive by occasionally now and I have been able to only buy one box and maybe only eat the two pieces. And even

one time I ate one piece. I was very proud, even though I didn't eat the whole box when I got home. At least I postponed the agony or the joy. But after I eat all that candy, I feel pretty bad, you know, and it lowers my vibrations. And so I have really, honestly, Boy Scouts honor right hand, but I have pretty well been able to control that thought form. Now it's hard to do because when I get rid of that and I've got another one waiting for me and that's ice cream cones. And I eat one the other day bigger than Mount Whitney upside down.

Okay, now knowing that these are symbols really, aren't they? The cigarette, a guy will tell you a hundred ways why he smokes a cigarette. Calms his nerves, it's company. He can give you a hundred reasons why, but really it's a nasty, dirty habit. You burn holes in your clothes, you have to get out of bed on Sunday morning, run over, buy a pack of cigarettes, your wife's emptying the ashtrays, you're always out of matches or lighter fluid. And it's really, it's a terrible thing to be, have that habit. And I've been able to do it for a long time. I've been able to do it for a long time. I've been able to do it for a long time. I've been able to do it for a long time. I've been

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the cigarette Marlboro country or wherever it is what's the country got to do with the cigarette but nevertheless through the advertising experts on Wall Street are so smart that they know how to get down in here and subliminally it's subliminal perception I made a lot of study of this in fact they're teaching speed reading now and people are reading up to a hundred thousand words a minute and maybe more using subliminal perception I had some experiences with it myself I don't read a hundred thousand words a minute but I read a great deal faster than I ever thought I would using the techniques

what happens is there's a consolidation method that works where you read a book upside down for a while and you learn just to see the whole page that's all it's important that you pick up the page once you open your vision to a peripheral state then you turn the book right side up and just flip the pages be sure you see the whole page and you know you just read that whole book although you don't have the joy or pleasure knowing what you read at that time it is going into your memory pattern show you how great the money is and it consolidates in there and I can give you an

examination on it and if you did it right you may you get 50 or 60 or 70 percent reading 10,000 words a minute this is average now show you the possibilities working with the mind I believe that the superconscious must be the highest levels of this state okay now back to the pyramid now the pyramid we're not dealing with currents I like magnetism or electricity we're dealing with vitality we're dealing with electricity we're dealing with the vibrations and it is my belief because of the efficacy and the results we find with the pyramids that we're dealing with the highest vibrations known on

this planet I'll give you an example your Paramahansa Yogananda passed away some years back and about 20 or so days after he had passed over they examined his body and there was no sign of decay whatsoever his body was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believe that he was in a preserved state and I believ state or vibratory emanation from the body and I'm also able to measure psychic energy fields from the body now since the pyramid will induce it for example I just put the pyramid on top of my head and in about a minute or two my

ears will start ringing and to me that is the sign of home arm and I it's a sign of the universal spheres now this I just leave this on here and preferably if I were to point north with the one panel like this and about ten minutes is about all I want because any more than that I get it isn't edgy but I get in a very what you call it kind of a psyched up state I'm not going to go out and do anything bad but I just feel peppy like I want to get out and run or just work off some energy this is a very common occurrence with people now in the meditation pyramids the same thing happens only to a greater degree because

the bigger the pyramid the greater the energy okay . who are not used to it have been not too many but who have gotten in meditation pyramids feel a little disorientation because there are what we call a time warp or time distortion that occurs within the pyramid don't have time to go in all the details of that and we're getting into the UFO area to you in a minute but because of the time warp or time distortion people feel a little

uncomfortable or maybe it isn't really a nausea but it would be sort of a little . . . touch of nausea because of this disorientation I would compare it to jetlags that people get when they fly from one country or one continent to another they're for a little while they feel like it's a little woozy because they've little bending of their time and whether the cause is in our spleen or in the pituitary gland or whatever there is some activity occurring now this is beneficial because I'm not talking about healing but it is beneficial and I haven't

known of anybody who is suffered any ill effects other than just this something . . . sort of a little woozyness a few people have had when they stayed in a meditation to pyramid too long now there are some being built and some constructed it'll change the taste of water if you if you were to put raw river water in there and you leave it in there long enough and that wouldn't be too long either you would find it tastes just like spring water plants grow better when watered with water that has been inside the pyramid there's an outfit over in glendale that makes an energy plate that's charged with pyramids and you that plate can be put under your food or put in your tea or coffee and it's supposed

to improve the taste and the reports that i'm getting apparently it works now the one thing you must remember is if it's going to work you have to believe it will it's going to work anyway whether you believe it or not but it works better when you employ the psyche because you set up some kind of a vibrant vibratory harmony or harmonic with the pyramid to get the results in other words those who believe that the pyramid will produce the results get the best ones see how are we doing on time okay now i've been talking so fast i'm running out of time uh i want to show you just a few things here these are uh charts that are put out by manly hall they're very beautiful and it shows the the chakras the spinal chakras and uh i think

this particular individual must be in a high state of samadhi or in a booty plane because if if you look like that or i could measure emanations on you like that you're not from this planet uh this star form here on the back here is these are taken from old paintings and old concepts clairvoyant vision going back perhaps thousands of years and without knowing about this we can always are getting substantiating information to confirm what we've been feeling with the dowsing rod in other words you've got your clairvoyant with clairvoyant vision i have uh tactile clairvoyance i'm able to feel what i can't see so uh here's the

similar to over the third eye area we're getting emanations out there on this star form and off the chin and this is very symbolic i won't go into it but this is the pituitary gland here and that little tail vibrates on there when that pituitary is working and here is the pineal eye and that one really vibrates and when this is vibrating at a right state the there is an opening of the third eye and these people are able to look into another person's body they have x-ray vision some of them they're able to forecast the future they're able to uh telepath with anybody any place at any time and do a very good job of it they can read with their hands and they can do many things that we consider

paranormal they're not paranormal at all it's as though that our ancestors have these abilities or we wouldn't have these things built into us today and we've lost them because we've got so hung up in this intellectual external world only what we can feel touch states matter here therefore these people that are responding are having activities here to make these things vibrate it has to come from the intuitive state and meditation is the best way I do know there are other techniques I won't go into them in detail but there are what I call certain bodily and mental disciplines that you must adhere to if you want to accelerate the growth

your growth not only spiritual but your physical and mental growth which would enable you to have experiences perfectly normal voluntarily that would be considered paranormal by your neighbor georgiana if you would come up you're such a good subject and I'll demonstrate the arm eater and how I'm able to delineate these energy fields okay now Georgiana has many many rays working up from her body and they're working in all fashion one thing about thousand are able to select what I want to get in other words

to get what I want to get in other words to get what I want to get in other words I go over the gas pipe and I'm looking for water the gas peckle register or vice versa I can be selected by what I want so right now I want to get her a third body body or inner aura that's about an inch out and below the knees I don't get much power but from the waist up and round the hands yes but pushes off just as though there was kind of an invisible thread or an error going now at the shoulder area there's a tremendous concentration of energy and I can delineate her aura and it should be about an inch out and on both sides she also has an inner aura

that I can pick up there if I just come in and concentrate it now that's about it right there are there any clairvoyants in the audience that can see Georgiana's aura her inner aura will register about right in there and I can blane it's more like an oval shape over there and then she has an outer aura and I think it's the outer aura that may work with a collective unconscious in other words it's just like that and it can go out and touch any place even on another planet I think that the way we communicate with one another even when I come in here you decide right away whether how you feel about me whether I'm you like

me or don't like me or whether I'm coming to the truth or whatever it is and I'm up here and I'm wondering how you're responding to my lecture and we're sending out new invisible thread or vectors and we're touching and we're inter exchanging information with one another picking up on each other and we can do it with hundreds of people at one time and you let it down in the deeper levels of mind so I think that's done with the outer aura or with these telepathic beads I will measure but first of all right in the shorter area here is the halo area

as you see in ancient pains of saints and so on where there's just kind of a white glowing light or a yellow light around the hip now Georgiana has a halo and hers if she grows spiritually the halo tends as near as we can tell hips this way if she was at the conscious level of Jesus Christ her halo would pretty well be back like this in other words I would get a measurement like this and around the head rather than this type that I'm getting now the one above is like a donut and has about a four or five inch hole in the center it's about four inches thick it comes up about four

inches above the head and I pick that thing up there as the aura meter now I've got to disengage now I've got to forget what I was looking for and wait till alright now I'm asking you information and hers is unusually large tonight they're usually about eight or ten feet in diameter Georgiana it can change with thought and maybe spiritual attitudes or whatever I'm not sure just what's going on but they're not always the same size but I could find the end of that and trace it back and right at the middle where the hole is located it's like the silver cord comes right up through and

goes into infinity as far as we know when I try to hold the aura meter steady above Georgiana's silver cord area it tends to oscillate back and forth this way that's a pretty slightly what it does over the apex of the pyramid when we put the pyramids on Georgianna head this is very interesting the pyramid orders her following aura one much your hair okay now when I come up this time put your hands aside when I come up to the side this way there's a sharp it goes right off the elbow both sides they're very strong the shaft is still cutting up the top and if you were to stand on a chair or a bench like it's

major shout the force coming out from beneath her feet and what have we got the students cause I think you do it really the symbolic cross okay now right okay let's try that again not right at Georgiana's temple is what we believe to be our telepathic beings coming out now sometimes it will only come out of a person's right temple or only the left or both generally they will not be in the same force as they come out of both sides one will be stronger than the other and she has good force coming out and I call there's one that's kind of a

portion isn't one of the thrust in other words there's two types seem to come up but I believe I thought pattern to change in other words of Georgiana which occurs is more of a push if she wanted to fool me or once did she get picture thrust going out of there and I'll pick it up you the other side she has a little elimination on the left side but her power is on the right so if you are to send a telepathic message it would be a benefit to her to symbolize the message is going right on the right temple only

communicate with Al animals right fine I think Fred Kimball and some other people later this if there's a forever something that goes off in the solar plexus so if you ever want to communicate with an animal if he seems to be hostile picture that you're sending up right off your solar plexus to hit it with send him a heart or a little bit of love he'd be barking and all of a sudden he'll look a little bit more and he doesn't know why but all of a sudden he doesn't really he should be barking but he stopped and it works the dog will do

the same thing with you so it's a way of communicating with animals now we have emotional beings these are totally disengaged from what I've been talking about and over the chest area I pick one up and there's like an interpenetrating like a double bubble of another one it comes off the solar plexus see what happens here tonight right now it's fairly strong it's about maybe six inches stronger than the last time I measured Georgiana if she was angry or highly emotional state she could send that right off through the back wall would not keep you guys down to the public movie with a few hairs on

the same thing over the chest area this is usually larger that's a bigger bubble and there are many many other emanations from the body that we pick up a lot of them we don't understand we don't know why they're changing shape or form but that's the way they behave now Georgiana you're gonna have to turn your back on somebody so if you over here about this way right I'm going to measure your third eye the idea here is to come up very strong energy field coming up and it's a little bit of kind of a serration right out here yeah I just keep feeling until it comes up

there I'm on the top of it I get nearer and there's a little bit of a push off so that would look something like this it would like this is her forehead it comes out and has just a little bit feel like this and it kind of just goes up a little like that now these are very I find I'll have to really need to show you don't go away Jordan I need you just right some of them I'm gonna put the forehead this way because I draw faster some of them will measure like this some will measure this way some will come out and then I have a ball on the end like this I've had some

come up where there's a ball here right at the head I've had some where they just go right on up I can't find the end of them I find some that have a hook on them like this on the end some with a downward hook and I've had some that come out just like this and seem to want to go on and I just pick up just a little bit of a trace that's like I just like a board real thin it seems like persons who have an opening of the third eye are going to lose thrust out there instead of a push did you have something wrong okay another thing now you really got to trust me on this one

I'm gonna have yeah I think you just faced this way now Jordan at the back of her head also has you just get one step to the right at the back of her head remember I told you there's kind of a thin shape and it's a part of that star form there appears in that picture Vern figured that this is a probably a receptor beam. It's a triangular type pen. It will vary a little bit. She can even change the shape of that with thought, but without thinking about it, it will come out this way. So he figures if you're going to send telepathic messages, you've got to receive two. So if you concentrate it, you're receiving a telepathic communication through that pen. It works very

well. Also at the back, right in here, Georgiana has wings. She has good energy field, and comes back. They will measure from 8 to 14 feet long. Now, what are their wings? I don't know, but they seem to appear as wings. There are two of them. They come right off the shoulder blade. Some people, the wings come up. Some they come straight off. Some start low. I only found one person who didn't have any at all. Vern found one woman who only had one wing, and I'm further checking. She had one that was broken. It went off to the side. She had one coming back and one off to the side. I found one man in Santa Barbara, no, Redwood City, who tried to trip me by thought form, sending wings

out of his chest. So when I came up there, I thought, oh, well, I found a second guy who couldn't find any wings. And then suddenly my instrument shot up, and that's just exactly what he wanted to do. He thrust his wings out behind, and I picked it up. So let's see what Georgiana's wings are. I can reflect. Just running along a grease pole is what I want. Just keep going back. And so the infant walks again back. That's not good with Georgiana, because I know herds are about 18 feet long. But it seems they were about 12 feet long. If I bring the instrument, it'll tend to bend back like that. And then really, you see, then I just catch it off, and I made it. Now, whether it's a sign of

spirituality, I don't know, because I've seen some people that don't look too spiritual, and they have pretty long wings. But Georgiana is spiritual. Yeah, I know. What color? Yeah. Okay, thank you, Georgiana. Why don't we take a break and then we'll get about an hour away. We'll take a break, and then we'll answer questions. Anybody want a free copy of the Pyramid Garden, we'd be glad to give you a copy of our new issue, just off the press. And Georgiana can answer a lot of questions, if you can, get to me.

Hasn't it been an interesting lecture? Let's give our speaker a round of applause. Now, we're going to have a 10-minute break, but before we do, I'd like to make an announcement. Our president's wife came up here briefly with the Understanding Magazine, which is an issue for combining the July and August issue. The things I spoke about in there are our international president, Daniel Fry's article, who is an editor, about a mission impossible. And then again, any literature that he runs out, if you'll see him, or his co-worker here, Georgiana Tiefels. Okay, we'll throw it open for questions.

Okay, it sells for $49.50. They were for sale at $60 apiece, but we found a production method that cut the cost down a little bit. Yes. I don't think that it was ever designed for a king, and I don't ever believe it. I think that it was designed, it's a repository for ancient knowledge. That's my belief. Pyramidology, if you can ever get Joseph Calhoun over here to give you a talk on pyramidology, you'll find it quite fascinating. Anybody else? The materials, though, matter that you make the pyramid out of? You could make one out of carrots, if it would hold its shape.

We've got a prototype that's in the mail to us now, but I saw it demonstrated in Santa Barbara. And the beauty of it is, it's like this. I'll show you the principle. He has developed corners. It's very hard for me to draw, but it's a corner like this. Now this one comes up, you see, like this. And these go up flat. And so it creates, there's an opening here, and an opening here,

and one here. And all you do is just pick your wood dowel or your pipe, any length you want. And it has a capstone made like this. And it also has a little extrusion here, and you can just stick your pipe up in there. So this is about a foot high, and you can use this as a, it's about 14 inches, I guess, but you can use this as a miniature pyramid for testing, and then when you run your pipe in, I really didn't put those in the right place, but if you've got your corner down here like this, you just stick your, run the pipe in there, and run it down here, and you've got your pyramid.

If you want one four feet high, just use the length of pipe you need. And these are made out of aluminum, they're beautiful, it's a very attractive pyramid. And I'll tell you, that thing hums, you get inside of it, you don't need any panels at all. But if you wanted to, you could cover it with fiberglass, mylar, masonite, anything you wanted to, plastic. Is that the one that you mentioned the guy in person was talking about? Yes, uh-huh. And we will have those, we probably know the, I think the,

those are going to be sold also at around $50, and they're a real piece of workmanship. And excuse me, one thing, they, there are, some people are experimenting putting the open pyramid, or the suggested lines of pyramid over a garden, say over plants, or over flowing water, or a pan of water, and they're getting quite amazing results. Are they using a large model of the pyramid, or is it drying and cleaning, or securing a piece of the pyramid? Or dehydrating it, you know, is it being used commercially? Not commercially, the, most of what we're getting, we're getting about 20% of our input from scientific,

organized people, like some of the universities, even at the grammar school level. We have a young man in Canada that just sent us a lot of data on dehydration of water. Inside a plastic pyramid, there wasn't any sign of condensation of water that normally you would find, like on glass or plastic. And we've got, we've got so much that we'd like to print, we're not going to be able to. It's really, it's hard to know what to put in next. The hydration level, I would say, where it's at, like two-thirds of the distance up, do you know what percentage of the distance is due to the hydration?

Well, he just said, the pans on the floor of the pyramid, he would set one pan outside and one inside to, for comparison, then he'd put one in a box, in case, say, that there was more evaporation outside the pyramid. So he ran all kinds of tests. Do you have any questions? Well, I think it's important to establish that the pyramid definitely caused a rapid rate of vibration in relation to any other type of receptacle or technique that he used. Yes? That's a very, very good question.

There's one thing about the pyramid, the energies will go through, in other words, we can connect a copper wire to a top of a cone or a pyramid, and the energies go right through the wall. We picked them up on the other side of the wall with a dowsing instrument. So the energies, in other words, maybe it converts the energy in the water to a higher vibratory state, or maybe it just goes right through the aluminum or the cardboard. Incidentally, a cardboard pyramid is all right. They'll do the job. In other words, you don't want to turn into a mummy if you're a medic.

All right, this is a good question. And fortunately, I have an answer that I think is substantial, that is, that as long as there's a life, there's a form. See, you as an entity, you are a living thing. And there is no mummification that occurs. All it does is raise your vibratory rate. And you are like a storage battery. You're a tremendous mass of whirling, pulsating, vibrating energies.

Although we see you as a solid material person, you are really just in perfect motion. And so getting into the pyramid will alter these favorably. But if you take a piece of meat, and you cut it off from its life form and put it in there, then the mummification process sets up, because there isn't the life process going on. Well, if the plant is living, it's a life-living form. In using the Oro meter, do you tell your subconscious what message you, or what you want it to do?

Right, your answer is only hopefully as good as your question. In other words, I catch myself sometimes asking two questions. I'll say, is there water here? And is it in quantity? Uh-uh. I've got to ask one question at a time. Maybe I will finally arrive at some form of symbolic connection,

where I can ask many questions and get them all at once. But I can confuse the subconscious there. Or maybe there's some other level of mind. So I have to be very careful that I phrase one question at a time. And then I'll get the answer. Yes? How much are your classes? The classes are four hours.

Usually, they've been running. OK. I think about five hours, because we get fooling around with the dowsing instruments. But they're $10 per student. And we work with the instruments. And I have rare slides of cyclotronic generators, an aeronomous box, and other dowsing machines, and phenomena that are being scientifically established.

People can move objects by looking at them, and we know how it happens now. And I have also a four-part lecture. And everybody in the class learns how to douse. And with the instruments. In other words, instead of my standing up and telling you how good I am, I want you to douse. I want you to learn how. It's a one-afternoon class.

And I haven't tried to stretch it out, although I will. They've invited me to give classes over in Phoenix at the new center that the Fry's have purchased around Phoenix. I think it is. And I'll probably be giving longer classes there. Your knowledge, does Mr. Cameron ever locate any of the mines or any of the departments that were renovating? He sure has.

Uh-huh. He has. Do you know the names of any of them? Well, most of his, the big mines he located were in Canada. And the biggest oil fields were in Australia, so it's a little hard to prove. But I have the documentation on it. But Burns' greatest success was with underground water. And he only got into mines and other type of things, missing persons later in life.

And he felt very humble about it, because it's a little trickier when you, he had his symbology set up to grow a field and try to find something new. Yes? What effect will this have? Will it have a purification? How do you view this? I'll quote Roth Bergstraser. He's a hard data scientist who is working with these pyramids.

He claims that you could take polluted water and I'm not recommending that anyone would do it, but that it would be safe to drink after being in a pyramid for a very short time. I would be inclined to believe it. Although, I don't think it's safe to drink it. I don't know. I don't think it's safe to drink it. I don't think it's safe to drink it.

I don't think it's safe to drink it. I don't think it's safe to drink it. I don't think it's safe to drink it. So, I don't know if I would want to try it. Yes? A short time, what I find is for example, I put my breakfast cereal and my morning fruit and so on. I put it in the pyramid and it actually changes the taste.

It gives it kind of an electric. It's almost like eating sparks and it's very delightful and it enhances the taste and ten minute charge and sometimes 15 minutes, depending on if I put a big heavy bowl of cereal in Or if it was a box of See's candy, it might take a little longer, but about 15 minutes, maybe. For example, here I'd just get a little block of wood that would put the specimen about a third of the way up, directly below the apex. And if you have something that's a little longer and it is wide, have it long, running on a north-south axis. Yes, Gigi? There's talk of putting copper coils over in Hollywood, a fellow's going to work with it, and screens, copper screens.

Copper seems to work very good with the pyramid energy, and running them over the screen, or using the screens in the garden. In other words, either mounted above the plant, and he has all kinds of things going. Because we can run a copper wire from the apex. Some of the bigger pyramids we make have an electric banana plug, like a jack, like a phone jack. And it comes out, and we can use a copper scouring pad. And we... put the flour or the meat on that copper pad, and it'll do the same job as it will inside. Yes?

The bigger the pyramid, the greater the power. And the better the angle, or closer to the tree angle, the better. Although some, if they're too flat or a little bit steep, will still work, but they'll lose some of their efficiency. It is my belief that if the Great Pyramid of Giza would be able to stand erect with some kind of real rigid form, that it would probably twist right off its base, because there's a tremendous vortexial energy developed there. And I think it's the sheer weight of the pyramid probably keeps it in position, because of the size. The pyramid is too flat. The pyramid is so flat that it's less than a half an inch from corner to corner.

And you can take the pyramid, the periphery of the pyramid, and multiply it twice the height, and divide that in the periphery, and you get the significance of pi. Right. Thank you. We have computerized formulas in one issue of the Pyramid Guide for pi, and we also have them for the golden section. They're very close. And there's one thing, too, that's a belief, and I may go for this, that there may be an exact reproduction of the pyramid below, with a point going down. It's a possibility.

We have a book, I don't know if we have any more, but Conkle came up with a book, a theory that the pyramid has a pump. And boy, that's convincing. You get through reading that. There are so many things that are possible with a great pyramid. I mean, you can just almost go into any field, any area, and you'll find there are answers, or mathematical equations, or something in there, information that seems to tally out. Now, there were a few pyramidologists that got a little bit too eager, and they fudged around on the figures. But Calhoun, who's an engineer, nobody could get him to fudge, and he plotted a thing exactly, and it comes right out to the money.

Incidentally, 1976-77 is the beginning of the millennium. It's supposed to be a different era, and we are approaching it now. So when you see Calhoun's chart, it would probably wrap clear around this room. He shows you where the pyramidologist really has something going. Any other questions? Oh, you had a question. If you had your cereal in there, wouldn't it get soggy? No, just the opposite.

It would tend to dry. But I notice prunes, you get kind of a little, I don't like to use the word sweat, but moisture on raisins and prunes. It builds up on the outside. It must be drying it out of the inside, drying it to the outside until probably the moisture would be gone. But just in 10 minutes, those prunes are very wet. Do you notice any healthful benefits from eating the food that's in there? Well, I don't have to use the word health because people get put in jail for talking about things like that. But I can tell you that I eat it because I think it gives me energy, in my own personal opinion.

Yeah? . Did I notice you say? . Yes. Oh, yeah. And I know people that have put beds inside of pyramids and most of them can't stay in there all night. Yes?

I didn't understand all of what you were putting on the blackboard there, but since I bought one of these larger ones, could you put the pipes down from the corners of that and then cover that with some other materials and the metal that the original one is covered with and made out of? Right. Would that work? You have the makings of a larger pyramid there because you have the capstone in the right angle. So if you could someway clamp or mount on something to follow those angles down, you could make it as big as you want to up to a point. You don't even have to cover it.

. As a matter of fact, I've seen some with kind of a baggy plastic on there and I think it hinders. Actually, I've measured a few of them with the arm meter and they seem rather dead. There was one in San Francisco. It doesn't even look good, but they're selling them. But I think I would just build your frame. Make sure you have a floor. In other words, have your pattern around pretty well because you can have a leakage if you don't have it sitting perfectly level on the floor.

If it were up like that, there could be some leakage at the corners or underneath. So have a nice straight base to it. . Yes? . . . .

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. . . . panel out. You just put your hand in there. It can be one, like we're talking about, without any panels at all. My norm is eight minutes and ten seconds, and my hand will levitate. And then my hand will come back down, and it'll come back up again. The more I do that, I haven't done it as much as some people, but the more you do it, the quicker the hand

levitates, because what you've done, you've charged. There's some effect that goes on inside, and it's only beneficial as far as we know. And the hand will levitate immediately with some people if they do it often enough. Yeah, right. That's it. That's one of the most common. Another one is kind of a singing. You know when you put your head under the ocean, and you kind of hear a singing sound in your ears, you know? And they'll feel it, and sometimes it's just kind of a little vibration going. I think it's in the third eye area. There's vibration that goes on in the forehead. Tingle.

Right. Yeah, because that's prana coming in. What it does, it just opens a flow. I think it's coming in all the time anyway, but it seems to just, perhaps when Georgiana had it on her head, it was coming off her elbow. That may be one of the major outlets. In other words, a flow is coming in, and let's hope it's driving out energies maybe of a lesser quality. Yes? Yeah? Yeah. Many people with meditation, when they find this out, the awareness of their higher self or their soul.

Right. Well, you know, I think it's the same thing. Nature has a way of protecting us from experiences beyond our ability to cope with them. Right. If we were just suddenly thrust into the fourth dimension, it would be quite a terrifying experience. I think there are a lot of four-dimensional, or partially four-dimensional people in this room, but maybe they're not ready for the whole act all at once. I've talked to a young lady. Well, apparently... There's a lot of people.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But any stimulant, even coffee or tea, maybe to a very low degree, tends to lift a person towards the astral or these other planes. And you take the alcoholic, when he sees the little green bugs and all that, he sees them. I think they do exist in this higher dimension because we're talking about energies, we're talking about frequencies and densities. When you freeze water, it becomes ice. It becomes heavy. And when you boil it, it becomes steam.

So we're talking about frequencies and densities all the way through up into the infinity of planes. And if you ever go out in the desert during a cloudburst or a high, high sun, you don't look at the sky. It'll just come to life because it's in stagnant. And all of a sudden, the electrical charges and the high charges of the water coming down, you create a condition and go out into the light. I'll subscribe to that. There's a very interesting concept. It's an ancient oriental belief, and I think it's great. This really boggles the mind. But just imagine there would be

an infinity of dimensions of light. And the sun's going to be in the same space that we're in right now. All one unknown to the other. Yeah. Well, I'd hate to see a tar adapter flying by. I wouldn't want to chant that. Yeah. So we had a hand up. What was, I didn't get the first part of the question. What I really believe is that just a minute, we think we've, you know, we've got this

thing all locked up. in and we've got it it just flies away like a little bird because I think there are so many energies beyond believing various bands and frequencies and forces so the one that I think the principle is the same the one that people can move objects by looking at them they can levitate objects or levitate their own body or have I think they're all sort of in that higher range we're talking about vibrations not currents or magnetism that's why I think they're going to have a hard time proving a lot of these things using magnetic or electronic

equipment because you're trying to measure vibrations and they're going to have to realign their thinking maybe they're mathematics before they can pin this stuff down maybe they won't believe it when they do you know in line with what you're saying I don't drag this out but I think this is very interesting because I went to what I consider the equivalent of a wisdom school for about two weeks in Austin Texas and Dr. Harold Torrey who is head of the space research at NASA lectured us for two hours and he gave us just a little thing on the mind would you like to hear about I hope I can

remember there's a scientist in the crowd please forgive I'm going by memory but I'll tell you what's like this and here's another one over here and here's another one over here and then there's little dots all around me millions and millions billions of them okay now this is a neuron we have 12 billion of them approximately every time every day we there's 30,000 of these die and fortunately they do die because if we had a terrible experience in our memory pattern and we want to forget them we can if we don't keep bringing it up and thinking about it over and over again those neurons will die away we have a tendency to forget so but if you want to remember something like a musician who is trying all the time to play better while he keeps firing new neurons on

the same thing and he just develops pattern so that he can get immediate response without even thinking about what is happening but it's not that he's so it's just giving you 3 feito about what they find out in here in the center of the neuron like this there's a little thing right in the middle and the neuron has a little synopsis from here and once like over in here and what happens is if I if I get an idea and I say let's go back to my feed box candy I'm thinking of candy these little biol cells they kind of get a tickle you know they get a little excited if I did

enough of these growing they agitate the neuron and there's a firing in this neuron right in here and if I think hard enough about the candy pretty soon there's a quantum sets off this neuron this one here and pretty soon I can send off a whole chain of them and if I send off enough they go into my memory pattern it's going to be awful hard for me to forget that candy now where they know what happens was Italians of all people who are not too famous for their scientific work they were able to go down then we're talking about the millions of an inch we're able to go down inside of one of these neurons with

a tiny probe you here to find out what was going on and apparently there is some kind of an electrochemical action that occurs near the causes in there on the fire and causes a pattern to form in our memory core now the interesting part about it is that right in here at this little juncture between like another little union here when word does this in other words this this let's say this is electric I'm not sure which is which or this is chemical but what is the thing

that triggered that right in there and it's the fact that they have no way of measuring that it has to come from a higher source that is mine that is that's a real part they don't know what that is so at least I know it is there's scientifically did because they can explain it that it is electrochemical but another interesting thing is that if you lost all 12 billion of your neurons you probably go on anyway because they're gonna last you a long time maybe 120 or 30 or more years depending on how much you use them and even if they were gone these glenoh cells and they were gone

and there's billions of them would come into play and probably take over the same function. So we don't have to worry about running out of neurons. Any other questions? You're a very good mind reader. Once you've used the pyramid long enough, you can create a thought form, a pyramid. And I spent about two weeks in meditations

constructing a pyramid to the exact dimension, the size that I wanted. I gave it the color I wanted. I had it radiant. And just as every detail, the ridges, the total construction of it, and I can make that pyramid over my head and it's my symbol of protection.

That's my white light. And I think that that pyramid, if I work right, that I could probably put it over my car when I'm in traffic. And if I see somebody that's coming near me, I put a pyramid over them so that we don't crash. And also I think that if there's levitation involved, wouldn't it be nice if I could just lift up in freeway traffic and go right over the top of everybody?

Yes. Fifty-one minutes, fifty-one degrees, and fourteen seconds. You'll get a little argument. We're just talking about minuscule figures. One way or another, but that is the mean average and we're getting very, very good results with those measurements. Can't argue with them. Yes?

The beautiful dowsing instrument. Yes. It'll work from the subconscious. It's another. It's a crop. It's a crop, or a symbol, a physical symbol. And once you learn, if you develop a good convention or code so that maybe a circular left-hand gyration means one thing,

or a right-hand, or elliptical forms, or oscillations, forward, and you can work out a multitude of chords, of codes with it. And they're very effective and very good. The more you do it, the better you get. Because you must remember you're working with the intuition or level of mind. And also you must be very specific about the question you ask to get a specific answer.

And when you're doing that, you're going to get a very good result. And that's your own way. Yes? Would you recommend the Susan's crowd for a final exam for a big study on the pyramid? I'll tell you, I'm so sold on the pyramid that I think that everything it does is good. So if it would help you, and particularly if you believe it will,

all the more, all the quicker and the better it'll work for you. Yes? Right, I haven't used the pyramid in doing it, but I use what we call remote locating or map dowsing. Now here's a little technique. We learn it in the class. But you can have somebody out driving around in a car and you can follow them on a map

with a pointer and your dowsing instrument. And we've had people get very good responses. No, we're not subject to space or time. Remember, we're going into another invisible numeral world, another dimension when we're dealing with this. The larger contours on your map, the better you are because if you've got a pointer and you've got 80-foot contours

that are maybe a sixteenth of an inch apart, it's very hard to zero in on a specific location. So if you're trying to get in, say like somebody's lost in the woods, the bigger blow-up you can get, the better. Once you've picked up the area where they are, then you get a blow-up of that area and then you can get right down into the feet maybe.

Right, I think you could graduate. That would be one way. And you could also ask the instrument, is he in the south part of the United States or the north part? And if you get a yes answer, go with it. So by using yes and no questions, you can use numbers.

Incidentally, numbers have energy and they are symbols as are words and letters. So you can develop a code, get people's names or answers to things using both numbers and letters of the alphabet. You're talking about the Bollard's Dunler Biometer. It's a dowsing machine. There are several.

There's a banjo device and different ones, and they work. Heather? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, very effective. Yes? Conscious?

Okay. First of all, you're having a voluntary experience, right? So you learn to do anything voluntary by practice. Go move with caution. Make your protection. And I think, I think that people,

this is not to say anything against people that have unfortunate experiences, but I think maybe they just leap just a little bit too fast or a little too far. There's some negative aspect in their psyche. We are very vulnerable when we go into the intuition. I think our silver cord is out and we invite any kind of a power entity

that could come in on that cord. So be selective about who can touch your cord. And you set up your visualization and your pattern and always be careful. If you have guides or a master or an angel, or somebody that you believe, if you believe in demons, then there have to be the good ones there too.

So summon the good ones and they'll keep the demons out. That's where I'd look at it. That's right. Because you're dealing with an inner invisible world that you're, until you get more experience, I'm sure there are adepts right now

who meet on the higher planes. They're in different parts of the world and they get together and they have meetings and they talk things over. I believe it with all my heart. You had a question. You said some of them were three-dimensional. Okay.

So each diagram, change a different part of the body, the mind, or part of the body? Well, in using the symbol, the more you can add to the visualization to make it more real, if I were to take a simple,

well, the word is, but a simple two-dimensional and cut it and make a glyph, a carving, to give it a three-dimensional effect and give it color and so on, it just gives it more power. It's like a crucifix

or like the cross or the heart. The more you can make it more real and give it more life and more thought and build it up, the more power it has. But one thing about a symbol, you can make a symbol serve you.

You are the master. But like that box of candy, if I'm not careful, I become the slave and the symbol is the master. You've got to be careful. Was there other angles on the pyramid to determine its effect on vibration

or dehydration? The question, the leading question, that is this. How was the pyramid arrived at? Is it intuitive? Is it, did the knowledge come from somewhere else?

How, did they arrive at the exact dimension and relationship to the north and south direction? Well, the Great Pyramid of Giza was constructed by ancient science and there must have been

tremendous civilizations on this planet either coming here or were here at one time and that's, they had to put that knowledge down so it's like, here it is and when you're ready to find it,

it's there. So it's like, to me, it's a great repository of information, of knowledge and they, they knew, now, this is where it gets interesting

in the UFO concept that they are generators like the Great Pyramid of Giza was designed as a generator to recharge space vehicles and also probably set up in their communication system. So,

there's talk that there might be generators in hidden chambers inside or below the pyramid and we found that, for example, I've gotten letters from people who have made just a three-sided pyramid and they claim that the results

haven't been too good at all. So, apparently, I'm not going to argue with the formula. We know the Great Pyramid replicas produce such tremendous results and it seems to be the most effective of all. Just stick with the formula.

Just accept the fact that somebody knew what they were doing when they laid it out like that. 51 minutes, 51 degrees, and 14 seconds. But here's a naughty little thing.

If you make, if you make the parallel on that angle, you're going to be in trouble because that's a different angle. But if you made a template that would fit up inside snug with the apex,

there's where your 51, 51, 14 would be. It's the slope of the side. Not corner to corner, but the panel would fit. Yes, sir? Using the pyramid to recharge me anything.

Number one, if you have a razor, would you put the razor and razor blade in both of them? You're correct. I put my electric razor in there. I've got a three-head Noroco shaver and it sharpens it every two days.

And it's just like new. And I put it in there when I think the thing's so tired I'm going to have to get rid of it. In a couple of days, it's back all alive. And there's ideas that since a beard

or whiskers are energy, that it could be that the Noroco gets charged and when it comes in contact with my beard, they just lay down. In other words, there's a reversing.

It isn't cutting them at all. They're just giving up. There's an energy transfer. So, you know. Well, usually, put your long way on a north-south axis of anything you put in there.

It'll still work if you put it crosswise. In other words, it just suggested that the long-wise north-south. I'll tell you one other thing, too. This is really interesting. You know,

when you take the pyramid and you make these tests with it, if you get it too close to electrical equipment or some kind of like fluorescent lights, they can interfere somewhat with the vibration.

So, you have to keep it in kind of an open area. Do you have a question? Is it the panel? The panel. Keep it a flat panel. Yes, sir. They're just getting interested in this.

I'm going to be on a program up in Big Sur around November. And Raymond Willey, the secretary of the American Society of Dowsers, will, as far as I know, he's going to be on the same program. And he's a little anxious

to learn more about this. But dowsing is a perfect tool. So, I've been wondering why they're a little slow to get into this. But not too much is known. That's why we've been putting out the pyramid guide.

It's just a lot of hearsay going around. Yes, sir. Okay. I'll tell you what you do. Ask George Yannis to send you a copy of the number two.

We've got a diagram in there. And then you go the easy way. Okay. I don't want to get into a mathematical discussion. Every time I do, I lose. I hate to have an argument because I always win.

But no, the best thing, we have the computerized formulas. The best thing, we have the computerized formulas, which were the last word that they, just like he said, people've got them and then they don't know

what they mean. Then we had somebody come along and simplify it for them. But it made it more complicated. So we used the diagram. Yes, yes, yes. Each panel, they're all in conformity,

one or the other. But it's, uh the trick is if you start making your panels on a 51 degree angle then you're going to have a very flat pyramid when you get it built because the panels are one thing and the form of soft efforts builder is another one you follow me now let me tell you how i do it it's kind of clumsy wait well these are not equal uh what i do i get a uh okay i get a you know the compass you buy in a dime store like this and here's here's the 90 degrees right and about 51 would be over here something like this so you describe your line over 51 right and then you you draw your line

across here and you turn it upside down that's a sneaky way of making it in your campus remember that template that you cut out goes up inside this way panel to panel should fit right snug on it not not this way because this is something else this this angle here is steeper i don't know this might be like uh 64 it's a different angle this one it's the angle inside any other question well that's true there is a difference i forgot an exact formula but there is a difference in

ratio well the continental drift there's many explanations for it but nevertheless it's uh you you can turn these six degrees off we found and still they produce very well i think that's only off maybe three degrees or less i'm not sure is that all it's all it was celestial or magnetic probably celestial yeah probably celestial right we get all kinds of arguments that one's good the other one isn't but i can tell you doesn't make any difference you get either one of them are close to it you're you're in business well thank you very much it's been really a pleasure you're a great group

it's been wonderful having mr cox i know i'm sure all of us have learned something our minds have been stressed a bit and i hope that uh in the not too distant future we can call him back and have this lecture extended in another avenue of instruction here because it certainly is fascinating before you leave i'd like to uh have the people that i read to pick up their renewal membership cards peggy shaffleton the following is a speech by bill hamilton at the Englewood Unit of Understanding on Saturday, February 28th, 1976. Subject, UFOs, 1976.

Very good. Can you all hear me? Yeah. Okay. Interest in UFOs is running high. How many people have seen the Herald Examiner today? They even carried an article about the Martians are coming to visit us for the bicentennial. I guess the United States is doing a better job at promoting the bicentennial than they thought they were.

I thought it was very interesting that the woman, I believe it was Mrs. Lincoln, was quoted as saying that evidently some of these Martians that go to the Herald Examiner are going to visit us for the bicentennial. I thought it was very interesting that the woman, I believe it was Mrs. Lincoln, that they had gotten together 200 years ago to form the United States of America and that they were coming back to see how we made out. So that's right up to date. Now, what I'm going to do tonight is I'm going to take a little detour here

from what I had planned because I thought it would be important to tell you a little bit about my background, the study of UFOs. When I started out studying them. Actually, I started out when I was nine years old. I had an interest in astronomy at that time, so I did a lot of... And I got to know quite a bit about the elements of astronomy. I could look up at the night sky and I could tell the difference between a star and a planet. Now, that doesn't sound like that's too great an accomplishment,

but I assure you that there are a lot of people who can look at the night sky and not be able to tell the difference between a star and a planet. And there's a very simple indicator that you can pick out, you can go by, and that is if you look at a planet, you'll see that it shines with a steady light. And you'll see that the stars twinkle. The sky is relatively brighter than the stars. A planet usually... And shines with a steady light, that's a planet.

Now, if you also see one of these lights, then you might suspect that it's not a planet. And it's not a star. Not if it's moving more rapidly than the stars and planets. This is somewhat of what I saw. Now, this is before the age of Earth satellites, about 1957. By the time I was about 14, I had read several books on UFOs. And I made it a point to find some people. I started to find the people who had written the books,

who knew a little bit about the subject and could answer some of my questions. Of course, like anyone else, I wanted to see UFOs firsthand. I wanted to see what other people reported seeing, so that I could evaluate what they were seeing, what I was seeing for myself. One of the people I met was the founder of this group, Understanding. And I met Dan Fry back in 1956. And I joined up with the first unit, unit number one, which was based in El Monte, California.

And I met a lot of people who talked about flying saucers landing and about meeting the occupants. And I got more interested because I was wondering why we're saying that there was no such animal. Now, how many of you know that UFOs are not flying saucers? I'm sure you know why. UFO is a designation, unidentified flying object. And of course, once it gets identified, it can be identified as what we call a flying saucer. It may be identified as something else.

It may be identified as a balloon, a plane, a planet, or something. Or maybe just in somebody's eyes. It can be identified as a lot of things. How many know that flying saucers don't fly?

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Not in a very restricted sense of the word. Yes, they do move. They can move through space or air. In the conventional sense, we mean by flight, which is to gain lift from an airfoil. These are some of the things I'd just like to bring out, because my purpose for giving this lecture is not to just impart information, but to bring everyone to a greater understanding of the UFOs. Now, I have some that I brought along with me that I just couldn't rely on my memory

because I don't know how to use them. Some of them are transcripts that I want to read, and I find them very interesting. They're transcripts that were not broadly released to the public. They're transcripts of the communication between the astronaut who went to the moon, the manned space flight center in Houston. And I think you'll find it very interesting because I've stated that all UFOs, and that is a fact, they've all seen UFOs. Some of them have even...

...rolled film on the UFO. They have also seen some other very interesting things, but we're not... This is not broadly... Now, on the... The first thing I want to take up is the scientific... ...the sciences. I'd like to know how many people here are familiar with... Now, I want you to stretch your minds a little bit...

...with the scientific method. How many people are familiar with the scientific method? Okay. I know we have great faults in our educational system, especially when it comes to teaching subjects like mathematics and science. So sometimes I have to go back to a little bit of education. But I'm going to give it very simply. Keep in mind anything that I say that you don't fully understand,

and bring it up later. Ask some questions about it. Because I want you to understand what I say, as far as I'm concerned. The purpose of communication is to bring about an understanding. The scientific method and science... There are basically two types of science. There's observational science. And observational science is the oldest form of science.

It's an example of observational science. It is not too easy for an astronomer to experiment with what he is observing. And then there's experimental science. Science like chemistry or biology. The scientific method is scientists just, he sees something. And he formulates a hypothesis about this phenomenon. He says, well, here's my explanation for it. Now the next thing he does is he tests this hypothesis.

He has to run experiments or tests to see if this hypothesis holds true. Now, if the result of the test yields some data that violates the hypothesis, then he must discard the hypothesis and formulate a new one, which is a new experiment. And that's the explanation for this phenomenon. Tests do hold true. And in a universal sense. A hypothesis may eventually take the status of a...

Now, there are many scientists who have gotten interested in UFOs. Some of them. Right here is a Dr. Thornton Page, who's an astronomer. Northrop, who's an aviation pioneer. Northrop Aviation. Dr. Leo Sprinkle, an associate professor of psychology, University of Wyoming. James Hurtack, a professor, California Institute of Art. Eugene Sermon, an astronaut, the commander of the Apollo 17 moon flight.

Dr. Gary Henderson, senior research scientist, General Dynamics Corporation. Dr. James Harder, assistant professor at Civil Engineering, University of California. And you'll hear his name a lot. Professor Herman Ober, father of astronautics. And Dr. Berthold Eric Schwartz, psychiatrist. Some of these scientists, and some that I didn't read the names of, a blue ribbon panel back in 1972 for the National Enquirer. And they offered a $50,000 reward who can prove that UFO came from outer space

and is not a natural phenomenon. This is the stance that these scientists took in 1972. And by the way, subjecting a lot of the data to their analysis, and a lot of reports they got, they have paid out back to a helicopter crew on one occasion. They paid out $5,000 to that helicopter crew because of the experience they had with the UFO. Now to indicate the amount of scientific interest,

which is not, there is a well-known UFO, it's one of the oldest agencies, it's called the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization in Arizona. It gives you a kind of a look at how broad this subject is. The consulting panel, they have 10 biological scientists, 23 physical scientists, 9 social scientists, and 47 representatives throughout the world. An impressive list of manpower that was mustered by a civilian

and more impressive than what the government or military has done in that area. And I find that very interesting. Now, some of the so-called scientific take-ins by the United States Air Force regarding UFOs are pseudo. They say, well, we have a scientific explanation. Well, somehow that word seems to carry some weight, scientific. And I assure you that some of their explanations are far from scientific. And here's a little example of it.

An Air Force official at the Pentagon once issued a widely printed newspaper release that placed flying saucers in three categories. One, seen on low-hanging clouds, small meteors that break up with their crystals catching the rays of the sun, that might have produced large hailstones, which could have flattened out and glided through the sky. Almost immediately, this brought a storm of protest from several prominent scientists

who promptly issued a statement saying, in effect, that the unidentified Air Force official was crazy. Nobody, the scientists said, ever heard of crystallized meteors or huge flat hailstones that glide through the air. As for the solar reflection theory, they called that absurd. In some instances, there is a striking similarity between a natural phenomena and reported UFO observations. Now, recognize this.

A UFO report falls under two categories. Event, happening. And it can be analyzed as a physical event. Person who witnessed the UFO. And that's a psychological event. So we have two components to any report of a sighting. We have to take that into consideration. And that's what these people do.

Now, UFOs that were sighted in the Exeter area of New Hampshire, which brought a lot of attention to the news, the color, the sound, the dynamics of ball lightning. This is the, uh, this theory of ball lightning given by a man named Aviation Writer. And he's gotten into the subject of UFOs. And I don't know why, really. His entire purpose is to classify UFOs

as ball lightning. For UFOs, regardless of the circumstance. Another gentleman who takes a viewpoint in favor of UFOs, and that's Dr. J. Allen Hynek, an astronomer in Northwestern University. And he pointed out that unidentified flying objects demand serious and immediate scientific attention. I say this so you are not misled by the gullible ones

who have made the subject so difficult to explore rationally. UFOs are a real puzzle. The myth has not been put to test. And the scientific fraternity must take cognizance. No longer does Smith decide, begun to feel that there is a tendency in the 20th century science to forget that there will be a 21st century science, and indeed a 30th century science,

from which vantage point our knowledge of the universe may appear quite different than it does to us. We suffer, perhaps, from temporal provincialism, a form of arrogance that has always irritated posterity. A very, very good statement by Dr. Hynek. UFOs have been looked at by scientists, recently released, in the Scientific Advisory Panel on UFOs,

in 1953. It seemed to come to light about the CIA recently, and this is just another thing that has come to light. Now, they have a case history of sightings between 1951 and 1952. Summary reports of sightings at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, the USA Research Center, Cambridge, Massachusetts, investigation of green, outline of investigation of UFOs proposed by Kirtland Air Force Base,

motion picture films of sightings of 1952, and Great Falls, Montana, August 1950. Summary report of 89 selected UFOs, selected cases of sightings of various categories, formations, blinking lights, manual, how to make the Aerotechnical Intelligence Command, a chart showing plot of geographic location of unexplained sightings in the United States during 1952,

chart showing balloon launching sites in the United States, chart showing selected actual balloon flight paths in relation to reported sightings. Now, this is a very interesting phenomenon because if a balloon goes off any, any time within 72 hours, say 100 mile radius of the sighting, then the sighting is classified as the balloon.

Regardless of the data in the sighting, it may not have looked anything like a balloon, of that nature. Now, some of these UFOs fall into this category. If you look at these statistics, some of these UFOs have been identified as known objects as airplanes, or balloons,

or reflections off clouds. And it may just be in that category. And if you read the action report of the sighting itself, you get the impression that the person reporting the sighting was not talking about a balloon or a reflection or anything of that nature. In fact, one categorized that way is

over a two-state area, a UFO, that's better than 100 miles from any other state, so there were four altogether. We saw this thing 300 feet out, and early morning hours, irritated. Explanation of this is Stanton Friedman has now devoted full-time UFOs,

investigating and lecturing on the subject, and if you could ever get one, is that many scientists aren't investigating UFOs, being laughed at. And so, illustrate that UFO research is right here in the modern age, and it's research going on right now.

Headed by an old friend of mine, Ray Stanford, Austin, Texas, and he's got some equipment, something called a magnetometer. Magnetometer is needed for measuring magnetic fields. He's got videotape recorders, a camera, all at this one station,

and most of this equipment is all to be mounted on a truck of a sighting. Another group called ground software, things like even analyzed photographs, that the object photographed was indeed some kind of large object at such and such a distance, and wasn't something else. Now, all I want to cover right now

is the scientific participation in the field, which is meager. Back over the years, analyzed some reports that astronomers have given over the years. In fact, one that I saw that was very interesting goes back to the early 1700s, where a member of the Royal Society,

after having left a meeting and walking through the streets of London, saw a very strange object flying over London, and he recorded this in the journal, a picture of what he had seen. And that's one of the earliest known reports I know of. Scientists to astronauts. I'm going to introduce you to a very interesting

about our moon. What I'm going to do here is I want to read which you may or may not have heard before. Has anyone here read or heard any of these transcripts concerning astronauts seeing UFOs? This may be relatively new to most of you. We get into using slang language quite a bit,

and there may be even one or two that I'm not familiar with. You have trouble? I'm trying to look down a little bit. Is it picking it up? Apollo 16, ground-to-air transmission. Astronauts Duke, Young, and Capcom. Communication, capsule communication.

These devices... are covered. The bottom is covered with blocks five meters across. Besides, the blocks seem to be in a preferred orientation, northeast to southwest. And on the other side,

you can only barely see the outcropping at about 5%. 90% of the bottom is covered with blocks that are 50 centimeters and larger. Sounds like a secondary. Duke, right out here, the blue one that I described from the lunar module window is colored

because it's... But underneath the glass, it is crystalline, the same texture as the genesis rock dead on my mark. I was referring to this. It says, the Soviet and American Academies of Science

jointly sponsored the first international conference on the problem of contacting alien civilizations in September 1971. It was held at the Mayrkund Astrophysical Observatory in Armenia at just about the same time

the American lunar budget was being drastically slashed. Experts from the fields of biology, chemistry, computer science, anthropology, astronomy, physics, and linguistics were gathered to discuss and explore exobiology,

the study of extraterrestrial flight. They were specifically concerned with how life originated on Earth, the possibility of other life-supporting planetary systems in the galaxy, the origin and evolution of intelligence, the search for signals from intelligent life in space,

and establishing contact with extraterrestrial non-human beings. Now, there's an interview here concerning the astronauts again with a geologist who trained the astronauts. His name is Elbaz. Questions are asked.

Well, since everybody seems to know that there have been no extraterrestrial landings on the Moon, and then Elbaz interrupts and says, ah, but we don't know that there have been no extraterrestrial landings on the Moon. It has not been so thoroughly mapped, as some think.

It has been pretty thoroughly photographed. But with a resolution of one or two miles, that is the smallest object you can see in many of these pictures, is a mile across. We cannot possibly rule out that extraterrestrial objects may be on or under the lunar surface.

The things that the astronauts have encountered have been, they've been tailed by two brilliantly flashing objects, mystified by unexplained sounds on their radio, startled by unaccountable seismic disturbances on the lunar surface, sending back pictures of a mysterious blue halo

encircling one of our spacemen, unable to identify the ghost light of Burma, which loomed into sight as they re-entered Earth. Now, the term that pilots use for UFO, or unidentified targets, that's used in this transcript here. Said we have a bogey at 10 o'clock high. Capcom.

Roger Gemini 7. Is that the booster, or is that an actual sighting? We have several. Looks like debris up here. Actual sighting. Capcom. You have any more information

as to make distance or signs? Spacecraft. We also have the booster in sight. Capcom. Understand you also have the booster in sight. Roger. Spacecraft. Yeah, we have a very, very many,

like hundreds of little particles banked on the left, about three to seven miles. Capcom. Understood. Now, what's the distance that they're passing by on your left? At what distance?

It looks like a path of the vehicle at 90 degrees. Capcom. Roger. Understand that they are about three to four miles away. They are past now. They are in polar orbit,

and they were about three or four miles away. That's what it appeared like. That's Roger. Were these particles in addition to the booster and the bogey at 10 o'clock high? Roger. I have the booster on my side. It's a brilliant body in the sun

against the black background with trillions of particles on it. Capcom. Roger. What direction is it from you? Spacecraft. It's at about two o'clock position. Capcom.

Does that mean that it's ahead of you? Spacecraft. It's ahead of us at two o'clock, slowly tumbling. This is 10, Houston. We have two bright objects up here in our orbital path. I don't think they are stars.

They look like we are going right along with them. Capcom. Roger, 10, Houston. Capcom. Where are the objects from you? They just disappeared. I guess they were satellites, some extremely bright objects.

I believe it's too bright to be a planet. It's north of Orion, about six or eight degrees. Right now, it's approximately eight degrees. Is it the Gemini 8 Agena? Over. He's asking that because they track in orbit and they can give him a reading from the computer

as to the identification on the object. If it matches the position or speed of a known satellite or booster. Pictures that it makes, just about an equilateral triangle with the belt stars in Orion and with Pleiades. Capcom. Do you notice anything moving relative to the stars? Spacecraft.

Possible. I haven't noticed any movement so far and unfortunately, the stars are disappearing now and I can only see the objects and one or two other first magnitude sun starting to fall. Sun's starting to come up. Roger copied that.

His view got cut off there and the sun came up. Some of these mysteries about the moon that have been discovered in Apollo 16 and 17, some of these have been known by astronomers, is that the moon is the only satellite in the solar system whose size is so large compared to its current planet.

Its concentrations of mass on the moon that are known as mass counts, which alters the gravity of the moon, is only 60% as dense as the Earth is. Lunar rocks have been dated at 7 billion years old, which is older than rocks on Earth. It reverberates when it disrupts,

like a belt. It has been recorded by lunar seismometers on the surface of the moon set down by the astronauts. Now, one of the new theories about the moon, Soviet scientist Mikhail Vason is one of the scientists, and the other is Alexander Shcherbakov,

and they state that the moon is not a natural satellite, but a huge, hollowed-out planetoid fashioned by some highly advanced, technologically sophisticated civilization, which was steered into Earth orbit eons ago. It is possible that some of the dating on this that's been done

is it may have been steered into orbit over 12,000 years ago. If the dating of the city is correct, Iwanaka is the city of South America. Iwanaka means city of the dying moon, or city of the doomed satellite. In fact, legends among the Greeks,

people called the Arcadians in the skies of Earth and are after. An unusually high amount of is a metal that we use in the construction of partially hollowed-out planetoid that could have been steered thousands of years ago. It could have been steered into the Earth orbit of Earth.

It occurred to me a planet in Lemuria. We go down about in Earth orbit and on the Earth. A hypothesis that I have right now,

and I don't have any real evidence that this has occurred, but it's something interesting. Any real direct evidence that the moon is, by the way, in the vicinity of UFOs. Now,

I don't know how many people here have been to UFOs. People who have gotten within a very close vicinity of these crafts bizarre effects from the electromagnetic effects. UFOs in the vicinity of cars, electrical,

on the ships or planes, or whatever. In fact, some of these effects have been measured by some military planes. But, then again,

this is not probably known. On the growth of humans, plant life, and insects. In fact, one woman terrified

when one of these saucers came over her car because it literally lifted her up in a seat. And, in fact, she was terrified

when one of these saucers came over her car in this seat in the car for a moment there. But, she was going to be carried away car and all

with the UFO. Same thing occurred to a helicopter UFO in very, very close range. And, the UFO was overhead shining very brilliant

green light into the cockpit. So, they couldn't even read their own, they couldn't even see their own panel lights. It had lost

its own power and in another force and it actually rose over 1,500 feet in altitude carried by the force

in the UFO. When its power was off, physical objects and one of the most interesting and fascinating are

accelerated heeling in the vicinity of UFOs. In fact, one case that I remember in particular

were two policemen in Texas who went out on a report that a UFO was being carried by a helicopter in the vicinity

of the UFO. One of the policemen was seen in an area and the power line moving along quite low

and it seemed to throw out a purple beam of the car. He wasn't quite aware of the police. Now, one of the policemen

happened to have a very severe bite wrapped up and he said he felt a very strange sensation when they saw

this purple light and the very next day he said the injury that he had caused him was a

severe pain and he was shot in the head and his body

was completely paralyzed and it was hard to breathe

and we had to go to the hospital and

I was about to me consider anything to relate to tonight here that i wanted to uh just give you an example of trans uh regarding as an effect i don't know how many heard this story called the fred white episode and it began in march 61 while he was fishing in durban south africa and he saw a light direction and he looked at it had a slow steady wine minute rose and it moved away at richard's bay from 150 miles north of durban and one evening after having this dinner outdoors white decided to take a short walk along the beach before retiring now five minutes after

starting out he suddenly heard a high-pitched sound looking up he saw very bright light about the size of the moon traveling due south some 200 feet above the water following the identical pattern of his first experience of a year earlier the light changed direction and came directly towards him stopping 100 feet away so did the sound which accompanied it with the spaceship and white could see into it through a large porthole it was then that he saw an occupant fair complexion and quite muscular wearing what looked like a metallic craft helmet watching and waiting white suddenly noticed the pulsating green light on the ship's dome as the sound the humming which he had heard vibrating from the ship during his former

sighting resumed at the time however it was louder the spaceship in a terrific downdraft which sent the sand around it spiraling crazily into the air in all directions suddenly took off rising circling and then vanishing completely years passed without incident then in september 1966 fred white had to be hospitalized his ailment was diagnosed with a collapsed lung one morning during visiting hours white recalled a man walking into my room pulled up a chair and repeated my name as if asking for verification when he told me how well i looked i thought he he was one of the doctors making his rounds

but then as he extended his hands towards me as if preparing to take my blood pressure i noticed that he wore a strange looking wristwatch it glowed almost pulsated it was like no time piece i had seen white said the man then asked what had happened in telling about the chest pains and the choking sensations preceding them the visitor smiled and told them there was no cause for alarm when he asked about my work i mentioned my interest in shortwave radio radionics and a powerful receiver a friend i had been working on i also mentioned the theories with signals we had picked up emanating from an unknown source before he left fred white's visitor told him to be prepared for beneficial changes and more contact he did not elaborate what is even more unnerving

than having received a visit from an extraterrestrial is that after the mysterious visitor left fred reported that his chest was free of pain and he was able to breathe without the slightest difficulty new x-rays revealed white's lungs to be completely normal the holes he had there before now totally healed the doctor treating white's remarks as if he was in a coma i had never seen anything like it recount that particular incident there because that's representative now the ufos represent a mystery and a mystery is just something without an answer mystery absorbs a lot of our attention the mystery is cleared up of course what we delight in doing

often finding another mystery because mysteries seem to be of great interest to human rights there's somebody apparently or a group of somebody who doesn't like us chasing after this particular mystery these people who are anonymous have been referred to as men in black and any men in black in the audience i'd like to tell you right now that i'm going to speak about you so get ready now i've looked into this a little bit because it's been of interest to me as a part of this phenomenon because the the story of ufo isn't flying sausage for anybody who's been in them for any length of time and i've been in the investigation of this field

for over 20 years now uh finds it to be a very human story and has all the elements of human nature included in it and i think that's part of the fascination there's all the different reactions you get to to this particular subject now uh mostly appear in black clothing, even black shirts, black ties. Now, why they do this, I don't know. Maybe that identifies them one to another. But they have appeared on the scene when someone has gotten some particular piece of evidence that is a very good piece of evidence.

Bishop Landon's backyard, he's got a good photograph, or he's got a piece of material from it, or something like that. Boom, up pops one of these men in black. And they say, Mr. Jones, we know all about you. We know what you have. We'd like it back. And it would be in your best interest not to pursue this subject any further. Now, these men have variously, they're very good masqueraders, and they've presented themselves as insurance sales, Air Force officers, FBI agents.

They're circumstance. Now, anybody attempting to get their license plate number, in order to get their license plate number, to track them down later, has always come up with a number that has never been issued, which is very interesting, because if they were doing it by chance alone, you might say it's possible that they would accidentally use a number that's been used. But that means their intelligence is pretty good. They have a very good spy network of some kind.

They seem to show up on the scene even an hour or two hours after the person has had a particular experience. And they have some evidence, and then they demand the evidence. Now, it was a surprise to me to find out that the earliest known report on these men in black goes back to the year 1924. And the story goes that the farmer saw what he thought was a mysterious airplane land on the farm. He noticed that a number of men had arrived in black cars and surrounded this. He also noticed some other men coming out of the object were in silver uniforms.

He just wondered what was going on. And he asked a few questions, and he was told that everything was under control and that officials were taking charge. And he noticed something, that a piece of metal that had dropped on the ground, evidently from a strange aircraft, which, of course, was a farmer. He didn't understand how it flew without wings and without tail. But he picked up the strange piece of metal and put it in his pocket and went home. And it wasn't until hours later that...

One of these men that he had seen, we want it back. That's all he told him. And he said, what do you mean you want it back? He said, you know what we're talking about. We want it back. These men have been around for some time. If you ever do have an experience, you'll hear... Men in black, expensively cut suits, usually black or gray,

and made of a glossy, slightly reflective material. A number of reports they were seen were infused with unusually thick rubber soles. One odd consistency in these reports was the fact... that their clothing usually seemed to be brand-new. The soles of their shoes looked unlocked upon, just left to the haberdasher. Yet in a number of instances, their brand-new clothes were strangely out of date. In styles that had been out of fashion for several years... They were dressed in styles which came into fashion several years later.

The same peculiar feature is apparent in their vehicles. They had been seen in automobiles that were 20 years old or older. The showroom model. Witnesses who were... who have entered the men in black vehicles have been reported that they smelled new. Heavily tinted windows seem to be their preferred mode of transportation. But in recent years, they have also appeared in Volkswagen and Ford. They're not partial to the auto industry.

One witness in the Midwest claimed he was visited by a tall, extremely thin, cadaver-like man... who traveled in a car that seemed to be assembled from the parts of men makes and models. Phantom campers, station wagons, and panel trucks have also been reported with increasing frequency. Witnesses in several cases have managed to get the license numbers of the mysterious vehicles.

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But police checks reveal that no such numbers have been issued. Official agencies, when contacted about reports that... Air Force officers or CIA agents or whatever have been out... The UFO witnesses are quite upset. Shenanigans, you could call them. I don't like to be misrepresented in fashion. The reports of contacts between strangers... and black and UFO observers and researchers...

have continued to filter in from all parts of the nation. Another incident was recorded in West Virginia... where Todd Jones observed a cylindrical object... hovering over a well-traveled highway on January 19th. Shortly after he reported this sighting... Jones found a crudely worded note which someone had shoved under the door of his home at Dunbar. The note clearly warned him not to give anyone a detailed description... of what he had seen hovering over the highway.

On the heels of that incident, UFO eyewitnesses in the state of Washington... reported that teams of strange men, all wearing black turtleneck sweaters... made the rounds of the residential sections in at least five communities... sternly warning all UFO observers to keep their mouths shut. Last August, a black Cadillac was reported to have... deliberately tried to run over a UFO witness... who was strolling down the main street on a small town on Long Island, New York. You remember me in business, I guess.

I find that one report very interesting. A team of them. Defiance, Ohio. A UFO researcher was awakened by a telephone call... to his home early one morning in mid-July. The caller was a lady who said that she and several of her friends... at that very moment were watching the maneuvers of two saucers in the skies above Defiance. The researcher quickly donned his clothing...

and started towards the scene in his car... only to notice almost immediately that he was being followed by a black automobile... which carried no visible license plate. And to cap the climax, the stranger behind the wheel... was wearing what appeared to be a dark blue shirt. One of the strangest of all men in black confrontations... was vividly described in James Moseley's Saucer News. The dog howling awakened Joseph Henslip...

in Grimm, Long Island, New York... one morning in October. He looked outside and was excited to see a strange circular object... hovering directly over the post office building not far from his home. Grabbing his camera, he took a whole roll of film... shooting a picture sequence of a luminous metallic disc... with a window of film on top. Since the object was very low...

he was certain that he obtained some sensational pictures... and when he received the finished print... from the commercial film processors a week later... he knew he was right. At least, Henslip felt he was right... because, as it turned out, no one else ever saw those pictures. Two days after the negatives and prints were returned to him... he was visited by a pair of strange men.

He found them waiting for him... when he returned home late about 3 a.m. Both strangers were about medium height... and had deeply tanned complexions and dark hair. And sure enough, both were dressed in baggy black trousers... black turtleneck sweaters and jackets... which Henslip described as resembling... black smoking jackets or pajama tops.

Talk to you about your sighting, one of the men said... in a voice that carried a slight Scandinavian accent. We're from the government. Henslip asked them for credentials... but the two men informed him... that they were from a secret agency... which they were not allowed to designate by name. Then the strangers went on to tell Henslip...

certain facts about himself that astounded him... because these were facts that not even his closest friends knew. We know that you have taken some photographs... the men continued... and we want you to turn them over to us... for the sake of yourself, your family and your world... and as a good American. Blabbergasted, Henslip decided to stall...

telling them that he hadn't yet received... the pictures from the film processor. But the visitors warned him... that they would return in exactly 24 hours... and that he'd better have the pictures available... for them at that time. The following day, Henslip carefully studied the pictures... with a lens and discovered some definite markings on the UFO...

but the print was too fuzzy to permit a clear reading. Henslip says, I probably could have made some kind of a large shadow... moving up and across the windows of the craft... in the final frames of the film. The following morning, not two, but three men appeared... all threatened. And again, they vaguely threatened Henslip... when he seemed reluctant to turn over the pictures.

The family gave them both the negatives and the prints... to see his visitors leaving a bit of the town... to think of them. I think I would like to relate... He acknowledged the ancient astronaut theory... as Erich von Däniken... the originator of this theory. A man who I consider...

true originator of the ancient astronaut theory... a man by the name, as far as I know... publicly known... in astronauts in South America. He had taken several trips down to... a special trip to Machu Picchu... and he made a special trip to Tiahuanaco... and he made another special trip to see the...

the lines on the plains of Nazca... in Peru. And he came out with some pretty advanced... concerning... the visitations in South America... and the people in South America. So one of the most interesting things that... I had...

gotten to find out about with him... and considered... was... something regarding... learning about the Indians... the Indians' passage of the Bering Strait... from Asia. With this new evidence...

George Hunt Williams from South America... he had a theory that a lot of the Indians... had not come from the Bering Strait... from South America. And when I looked at it in that light... it explained a lot of things. And a lot of phenomena... at least seen out here in the Southwest.

All those people who were familiar... with the Indians in the desert. And I took a trip with him out here... in the Mojave Desert... to one of these hieroglyphics. Now the hieroglyphic... was called... The Face of Veracocha.

The ancient jaguar king... that they know they're the people... who the Incan civilian legends built... the ancient cities of Tiahuanaco... and Machu Picchu. The inscription here... from California. And I found that very interesting.

People had migrated... from South America to North America... traveling with the symbols they used... to communicate their language. You can often... trace down... the route that... a people take...

by the route that languages take. This is something that... George Hunt Williamson as an archaeologist... knew quite well. And he was editor... for some years... of a magazine in England... called The Flying Saucer Review.

He states something here... that I find very interesting... that I thought I'd again restate for you. Some of these things are... are stated a lot better... and more succinctly... than I could tell them. He says that UFOs are a phenomenon...

that has always been with us... right through recorded and unrecorded history. It's my firm conviction... that in order to trace the origin of UFOs... it is necessary... to go right back to the original source... the creation. And there we find...

a very strange set of circumstances... that the majority of people who read the Bible... are unaware of. There are two creation stories... in the book of Genesis. Most people... are under the impression... that there is only one.

If you read the first two chapters of Genesis carefully... two entirely separate accounts... are found. There are not two accounts... of the same creation. Two entirely different events. This is all important. Let us refer to the story...

in the first chapter of Genesis... verses 26 and 27. God said, Let us make man in our image... after our likeness... and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea... and over the fowl of the air... and over the cattle...

and over all the earth... so God created man in his own image. In the image of God... created he him. Male and female created he them. This is related to the creation... of galactic man by God. No one really knows...

when the sky people... who is created... the signal event is lost in the starry mist... of an antiquity so vast... our own planet is no more than a speck of dust in it. The gigantic galactic race of the first creation... did not have earth animal bodies. They have bodies...

of a somewhat different structure... and functions are chemical bodies... but they are not animal ones. They also have a different density... to those of the second creation. They are beings of light... and having been made in the image and likeness of God... they are the sons of God or angels.

In the Old Testament... there are many examples of divine messengers... meeting, walking and talking with mortals. An example I would like to mention... are the three men who visited Abraham... in Genesis 18. The galactic race is created by God... and the first creation...

have also been known since time immemorial... as the serpent people. The cultural relic of our planet... the ancient symbol of the serpent... can still be found. The serpent is the representation... of the two major arms of the spiral galaxy... in which we live.

They are the symbol of galactic civilization... as well as the signal of the great creator. There was a seal of the serpent kings... who are said by old cultures around the world... to have come from the sky... to establish the beneficent... and civilizing rule... of the sun and the sun upon earth.

That kind of sums up... what the... at least from the kind of religious viewpoint... what the ancient... astronaut theory is all about. A recent interest... in this day and age... a kind of a new...

UFO event. We have reports... I suppose that many of you... who are interested in UFOs... have heard about this one... in Arizona. It happened not too long ago. This guy, by the way,

appeared on television. I don't know how many saw that particular... TV program. It was... emceed by Leonard Nimoy... at Star Trek thing. He talked to... this young man...

who had six witnesses. They were driving in a truck. They saw this UFO descent. A beam of light, a blue light... coming from the underside... of this UFO... and striking their friend. They went into a panic and they left and came back.

They saw the UFO... moving off in the distance. And their friend was gone. Pulled in by the authorities after about a week... because it was suspected... that there was some foul play. Their friend didn't show up. So they took a polygraph test.

Now one man... was too nervous to pass... the polygraph test. But five of them passed the polygraph test. And one of the boys was confronted by... a number of humanoids... type creatures. By the way, these have been classified.

And they're called type 1 humanoids. From a lot of occupant sightings. This is the first report... we're seeing in 20 years... together. By some kind of new alliance. From my talking here... you can see that I have...

because that's an old subject. You wouldn't be here tonight. The extraterrestrial... origin of UFOs. As far as I'm concerned... there's no doubt about it. Now there's one other... you might say hypothesis floating around.

Well there's a few others. But one other major hypothesis... to the origin of UFOs. Which I find totally untenable. And that's that they come from... some other dimension. Somebody saying a UFO comes from some other dimension. It's very interesting.

They use the term dimension. Because they obviously don't quite understand... what a dimension is. But they're trying to say at least... that they come from somewhere else. Some other universe. That is not particularly coincident... with the universe that we know.

Space and time. Matter and energy. And there's a possibility. But there's an extraordinary... emanation from an extraordinary phenomenon. I think it's quite adequate. We don't need to invoke anything further. When we get on the order of...

the possible number of... civilizations in space. Quite mind boggling. 100 million particular galaxies alone. There are several million galaxies. Observable universe. When you consider hundreds and hundreds... and hundreds and hundreds of millions.

The possibility that at least... percent of these stars... have inhabited planets. 60% of the inhabited planets. Just by a ratio. Are more advanced... in their technology. Than we are at this time.

A very, very highly inhabited universe. Which is quite, quite different... from the viewpoint that was held... 20 years ago. Or 25 years ago by astronomers. Where it looked like a pretty... empty universe. Considered that New York was...

only a boat of light. And that position is total. And I'm afraid that we were probably... ahead of them by at least 20 years. Interesting little transcript here. Diaz. In Argentina. He was abducted.

In some UFOs. There seems to be a very consistent pattern... to these abductions. These people are medically or... biological in some form. They are examined. Some blood sample is taken. Some tissue sample is taken.

For what purpose? In this one particular case... one of the abductees said... whether we could live... where they live. Something should happen to the Earth. In fact, that goes... quite a bit along with a lot of...

stories that have come out... in the UFO field over the years. That something is going to happen to the Earth. Something monstrous... or catastrophic. Well, no doubt. Something probably will happen. Some kind of catastrophe because...

it's a pretty good guess that... it's more likely to happen... than not to happen. Considering the history of... our particular planet. Or any particular catastrophe. If any catastrophe comes along... I'm sure it will endure.

I would rather go on living on this planet... because I've kind of... grown to like it. And maybe some of you feel the same. So, I don't know what their intended purpose is. But they also... use people to hypnosis... a particular incident.

Now, I find that a little bit... ridiculous. Because in one particular case... one of these people... again in South America... ended up in a hospital. And medical doctors... subjected him to hypnosis again...

in order to find out what happened to him. And they shot him... with sodium pentothal. And they got him pretty well drugged up. And they did find out... that he was abducted... aboard a saucer. He was abducted and ran into a barrier.

With all their knowledge... of hypnosis... with all their knowledge of drugs... they could not... elicit 30 minutes... in this man's life. They could not get that information... out of him.

There was a mental barrier they could not break. A technology superior... to our technology. They were afraid to any further... hypnosis convalescence. The messages the man said was... did have a message. The time was right...

to discover what that message was. Something of a particular fascination... I am finding of more fascination... than just the... technically oriented people... or the scientists. But... many, many people I talk to...

are fascinated with the idea... of what makes... what propels them to the conventional... dynamics. They are so very interested... because I have actually found... groups and individuals... flying saucers.

I find that very, very interesting. I begin to go back to a particular subject... as to how these saucers operate. A lot of electromagnetic phenomena... associated with saucers. So this was one of the clues founded... by a very powerful electromagnetic field. Powerful that it can affect...

it could possibly affect... the electric power station. There is even a theory that... they have done so. I went to Eastern Blackout in New York... and found it to be very interesting... because I was... fascinated with this subject.

Unified field theory. I found out that... there was some clue in this unified field theory... if we could resolve it... as to how... are propelled. And this would be an extremely important thing to find out. And I will tell you why.

It is because the force that we know... in the physical universe... there is no insulation... over gravity. If it is matter... it is affected by gravity. Or somehow... man's greatest achievements.

Because if you will please notice... that one of the things that people fight all day long... when they are working... ideas going around... that somebody at some time... in the history of Europe... has conquered gravity. Has been able to lift the...

that composed the Great Pyramid... and some of the huge structures... of America. That there was no other way to lift... except by some power... to qualify gravity. Two people working on gravity... new things have been found out...

about something I would like to tell you about. Now I have this... for this particular part... so that I can very very simplify... symbolic than it is real. But this is a picture... this exaggerated... mass of sphere like object here...

is a proton. And this smaller one here... is an electron. Now that's all we have... basic element... in this universe. Hydrogen atom. Now over here...

similar larger looking picture... and this is the sun... which represents the earth here. Now one thing known... hydrogen atom... positive core... nucleus... only has proton...

this little particle... which is the smallest known particle with mass... the electron... has an electric charge... and that it spins. And because it has a spin... any moving accelerating electric charge... is a magnetic field.

The electron has a magnetic field around it. These two are so closely related... in one term. Electromagnetism is a very very... basic force in this universe. It is not in this universe... more basic. It is the force holding the earth...

around the sun. And they have found out recently... a particle called neutron... will respond to gravity. Charged or not charged... it responds to gravity. And gravity is a much weaker force... than electromagnetism.

If you can count this high... electromagnetism is 10 to the 40th... greater than force... than gravity. By that much magnitude. 10 with 40 is 0. Electromagnetism is forceful. This...