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1975 January 25th Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Intro By Lee Yates Peggy Shackelton On The Potential Of Education In The New Age

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [24:52] Main address
• [01:16:00] Development of the main themes
• [01:53:19] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

The Potential of Education in the New Age, a talk by Peggy Shackleton at the Understanding Incorporated Unit No. 15 at Inglewood, California, on January 25, 1975. I appreciate your coming out to this first Understanding Meeting of 1975 to hear me speak. Those of you who have heard me speak before, you've had great courage to return, and those of you who have never heard me are here on pure faith. But I don't think spirit is going to let you down. I think it's an essential topic for all of us to consider

because the education of our youngsters and of our future parents is crucial. And I just wanted to say, as one of you mentioned, that 1975 was going to be a very important year and it is. And this past summer, Chief White Bear of the Hopis came to Santa Monica. And he loves boys and he wants to help boys and he gives his time to any boys club in the United States who wants him. And he had come to this particular boys club to paint Indian murals on the walls.

And because I knew he was in town and I've always had, you know, I've always had a lot of fun with him, and I've had such great respect for the Hopis, I went down to talk with him. And he's a very gracious man. In spite of all that he had to do, he took time out. There was one thing in particular I wanted to know. He had finished with his murals, really,

and he was doing some preliminary murals for someplace else. And so I didn't really stop him from his big job, but I did have some questions, and one in particular. And in the course of defining for me what I wanted to know, he went on and told me some other things that fit in with what I'm going to say tonight. I wanted to know whether the formation in the, what is it, the Verde Mesa in Colorado that is commonly shown on the films and pointed to by the forestry department,

I wanted to know if that was true. That thing that they called a kiva was really a kiva. It is huge. And when, the last time I saw the movie, In Search of Ancient Astronauts, they showed that shot of that kiva, and the forest ranger once again said, this is a kiva where the young men went down below for their initiation,

and they came out this place. And I had an uneasy feeling about that, and so I asked him, and I said, knowing that I might blow my whole reputation with one question, I said, Chief White there, when they show that film, I've never been down there, I don't know this place, but when they show that film,

I always have the feeling that that isn't a kiva. I said, I feel that it's a landing or a launching pad for spacecraft. And he said, he looked right in my eyes and said, you know, and gave me the Hopi blood brother hand clasp. Well, I didn't know. I just felt it wasn't something, you know, that they were saying that it was. I think I've been an old Indian,

and there was something, you know, that I was remembering. And then he got interested, and I asked him, I said, do you have sightings? And he said, indeed, I do. He said, our people came, over to this continent in two ways. My family came by spacecraft 70,000 years ago, and we were given the privilege

of bringing the spiritual truth to this continent. And we were told that we were to walk the length of the entire continent. We were to begin wherever we landed and go north, east, west, and south, and that we were to meet again eventually in 1975, and that this would be the crucial year, the turning point for the planet.

And all of this is on a stone tablet that he talks about. And he told me further than that. He said, you probably know that the Hopis have some problems. Almost all Indian tribes have some governmental problems, and, I don't know too much about this in detail, but he said, there are some decisions that have to be made, and they will be made this year regarding the Hopis

and the land that they are using. It is my understanding that the Navajos and the Hopis have some differences. And he said that his people have been warned on those tablets of 70,000 years ago that the way the decisions go for the Hopis this year will determine whether the United States of America is to be a spiritual leader as a nation

on this planet in the future. He said some other very, very interesting things. But I got to thinking about people and who are the people who have the influence. And I've come to the conclusion that there really are two groups of us that have to be tremendously concerned about getting spiritual values

and spiritual truths to the new-age children that are being born. And those are the parents and the teachers. And the politicians and all of the others are really secondary. And I feel that White Bear would agree because he's now beginning to work with youngsters in situations where he can relate the spiritual truths to them

through the stories that his people have handed down for very many years. Now, tonight, I think, perhaps I'm probably not going to speak as long as I might have. I'll cut it down just a bit. But I do want to talk to us about the essentials because I think we really need this.

Can you all hear me when I talk like this? Yeah. Okay. I don't know why I'm suspicious of gadgets like this. I trust people much more than I trust machinery. It doesn't do anything to my voice to speak this loud. And if you can't hear me, you just, you know, put your hand up and I'll know that I'm not coming through.

Please. Hey, will you be aware of the microphones over there because we want to record this. We have friends that live in other states that... I'll try. ...going through a transition period. And so, this evening, I would like to speak to two portions of education.

The education that is going to come in this chaotic period of transition. It's a very beautiful period if you understand what is truly happening. And the education that is going to follow. Which is different from anything that we can really incorporate at this time. Some of us have come to this planet knowing,

in particular, what we must do. And others are coming in not being sure of why we are here. My task, I know, is to be a teacher. But up until just a short while ago, I had not understood what I was to be a teacher of. I've had a feeling in the back of my mind that being in the public school system was the right place. But there is a tremendous frustration

for every public school teacher who has an endowment from early years in the truth teachings as to what your business is really to be. Because there are dichotomies and frustrations. When you get into a system that has... been so locked up with the intellect. And about a year or so ago, I began to have a revelation

as to what this transition period was all about and what teachers were supposed to do. And it's by the back door that we will come in, in the beginning. And this is what I'd like to speak to, first of all. The processes of education will be exactly the same in this transition period as they will be in the Great Aquarian Age,

when we will once again be in temples and we will be transmitting knowledge instantaneously to one another by imagery. And the purpose of education, of all schooling, is to unite the lower egoic self with the divine self. That is what we are here for. The journey does not really begin for any individual entity until it is what you and I would understand

as being Christed. And in this transition period, the powers that are coming into us are so very strong that changes are being made almost instantaneously in all of our bodies. We have four lower physical bodies that can go by the name of physical. I'm sure in the Truth Teachings you know that.

And this flesh body is the lowest in vibratory level. It is being changed every single instant. As we get closer to the central sun, Vena, the energies that are coming into us are so powerful that every atom, having any kind of resistance, is going to feel the power, the cosmic power, to change it and to lighten it. I don't know about you,

but I know that right now, every day, I feel aches and pains that I know are, at my age I hope anyway, are not arthritis or, or, or, or. And some people do not have the understanding of what these aches and pains are. I've had my thighs just simply pain me so much and I wondered, I haven't done any extraordinary walking,

but I've wondered, you know, is this going to end? Well, that's where my resistances are. Now, I'm not going to go into the occult matching up of what the thighs are attached to and all of this sort of thing, but I think everybody has had headaches. Everybody has come down recently with some things you're calling colds.

And some people are having what they are calling flus and all of these kinds of things. Well, they're not that for the most part. We are going through changes in our physical structures and the toxins are being released. Wherever there is darkness, it is coming to consciousness. And I would hope that our public school teachers

would be, and our parents, would be the most aware people of these first changes in this transition time. Because you're not who you always were in these manifestations. You also will be going through, if you haven't already, you'll be going through some releases

of subconscious material. You are going to be having dreams. And the dreams will be vivid and charged with energy, especially if they are designed to help you release a pattern. Now you may do nothing more than dream and sort of halfway remember it in the morning,

but the work will have been done. We are in a period of purification. And every child is undergoing the very same thing. And for some it brings about a rather strange behavior. For those who are truly crystallized in certain patterns of their life,

there will be what they, what you and I would call periods of sort of temporary insanity. And I don't know if you've already been through the period of dropping things, but I have been where I can't hold on to anything and I'm bumping, I'm not coordinated,

I'm bumping into things, and I've got bruises on my hips because I'm smacking the sides of things. You know, and my bodies are not in alignment. And the bodies of the children that are coming in are not in alignment either. And we're getting some frustrated behaviors erupting as a result of this.

And our youngsters need tremendous understanding at this time because much of what is occurring is not under their conscious direction. But it can be under our conscious direction. The transition period will bring about violence if there is violence in the ancient patterns of our soul.

The soul does not by nature wish to continue with anything that is negative and against the light. And in this transition time, the soul is going to demand its moments to become whole. And this means a disruption and it means a disruption

for every atom in our bodies and it means a disruption for every national atom on the planet. And the nations are feeling what every atom in the earth is feeling. And we are going to have a tremendous struggle. And some people have termed it the battle of Armageddon.

It is here, it is now, and it is in every atom that is on the planet. There's nothing we can do about it. It is a tremendous happening. It is the darkness before the tremendous dawn. And the structures that we have become so familiar with and perhaps dependent upon

are coming down. You've seen it in politics. And I see it in the educational field. And I am delighted, but it's coming down very fast. We have been in a long cycle of developing a particular part of the divine entity

which is the intellect. It has been essential for us to develop the mind. Now, the mind is much larger than the intellect, as you well know. And we have made a detour on this planet,

particularly, I think, in the western countries. We have made a detour. And we have aligned our egos with the intellect at the expense of the great intuition. And the intuition, being a feminine aspect

a receptive aspect from the divine, the highest aspect that we can know in the four lower bodies, and being an aspect of higher mind or, in the ancient Eastern teachings, what is called buddhi, is to come into its own. And in order to come into its own,

there must be a rebalancing. And I am not going to talk about the rebalancing in all of the other fields. I am going to try to show you what has happened in education and why that has presented a resisting force to what is to take place

and why there is such disruption. I think you are aware already of a tremendous movement in our country for parents to get back into schools. And as a teacher, I welcome this, because we need to work together. I think you have noticed West Virginia, where they are

upset about the textbooks, that there is no God in the textbooks, and the textbooks are doing this and that and the other thing. Bravo! It may be an exaggeration on their part, and the darkness within them may be centering,

it was too great a force, on what they think is an external. But when they come to realize that everything that is manifesting in the outer is evidence of what has been in the inner, and that it is simply coming out there for us to look at,

that whole community and every community will begin to examine, what have I been projecting through my thoughts and my feelings? And we are going to begin to get to the truth of why things are as they are. And we will no longer shift responsibility and say, well, it's the Board of Education,

well, it's because parents don't do this, and so forth. We will see that collectively, in our thought patterns, we have brought about a situation that has not supported the total soul, and souls are in rebellion. And that's our first step,

to bring things to consciousness. And all of these disruptions that you see and hear about throughout our country, in the field of education, are really positive, because we are bringing to the conscious level what has lain in the subconscious patterns

for quite some time. And once we find out that we have made intellect our god, and we have made intellect serve the materialistic point of view in too many places, we will backtrack. And here is what I see is happening.

Now, this is just Peggy speaking. You mustn't think that I represent any school of thought or any big organization. The angels, I may not even represent them. You know, I may, tonight when I leave my body, they may shake me up a bit,

as to what I said. However, I see that this next period is going to be the most exciting one for us to go through. Those of us who are aware will be holding to our own inner centers. We will be calm. We will be projectors of harmony and order

in the midst of what is going to happen. The teachers that I work with, are basically of two strands. The enlightened ones, and the ones that are sensing that something has to take place, and they are almost crushed by what has happened.

They don't see the direction out of it. Let me give you an example. I taught ten years at the high school level of English. And I left because it was just so fatiguing. And you know, when you have 185 students every day, and you're giving and giving and giving,

comes a time, particularly in English, I think you read more papers than any other teacher does, there comes a time when you have to learn how to replenish, or you go under. And I hadn't learned how to replenish.

And so I stopped. And I went back to school for a while, and then I wrote the books, and then I came back into the field of education again in the elementary level. I had been there before I went to the high school level. And every once in a while, I will meet a colleague at the high school level,

and I'd like to return to the high school level. And I sort of inquire, you know, how is it? And there are two points of view. There are those that I'll meet on the bus stop who will say, Peggy, don't return. It's a madhouse.

The children have absolutely no respect for you, for property. And I have heard such stories, you know, of how the tires are of a teacher that kids don't like. They're slashed. There are obscene telephone calls.

Oh, you can use your imagination. And they say that the kids don't appreciate anything. You give your hearts and mind totally to them, and they walk out as if it didn't matter and all of this. And one gentleman said, he had a kidney removed, and he said,

if I didn't have to stay in to pay for this kidney operation, I would leave. Because he said, now you can get out at the age of 57 and then you can retire, you know, on some decent living.

And that breaks my heart. And then there are the others who say, we're getting a new crop of children. And they are exciting. And they are not allowing just anybody to be an authority over them. But they are frustrated too. And they don't know what to do with their lives.

They see a double standard everywhere they turn. Some of them have money, and they have parents who have abdicated parenthood. And so the kids with the money go where the action is. And these teachers want to do something with this new energy that they sense is coming, but they don't know what it is.

They don't know where they can move. And here's what I see happening. All of that is going to come down. The school systems are going to try one innovation after another. This is the pattern that they have been going into. You hear about reading. Children don't read with this method,

therefore we chuck that one out and we're going to try phonics for a while. And then they don't read well with that method, so we're going to try a look-see method for a while. And I'm sure you've been in on some of the experience. Well, we need new math. And then the kids get out into the real world and they can't add and subtract.

And so we chuck that and we say, all right, let's go back and let's redo the concepts and so on. And because I've been a writer of textbooks, I know what power the textbook companies have over an author who wishes to do something that is basically spiritually right. And let me tell you, it isn't easy.

I hung in there as long as I could. But let me give you just an example of what you're up against when you try to move in these patterns. You have to have spirit with you. You have to have something greater than you are in order to make a dent. I was to interview a family in San Francisco.

I was a first-grade social studies book that I was to do. And I won't go into the history of how I got into this thing, but I felt it was guided. And I left college. I took a year's leave of absence to go back to see if I wanted to jump all those hurdles, and I found out that wasn't for me. And right at the best time, Thanksgiving,

I had an offer to write a textbook. And I thought I was writing a textbook for a woman who had tried for two years to produce a first-grade manuscript and couldn't. And I thought I was going to ghostwrite it for her. She was going to get the credit and the money, and I was just going to have the experience and perhaps a fee, you know, like $500,

to just undo what she'd done and put it together another way. It didn't turn out like that at all. And I'm grateful. I'm really grateful for all of the journey I took. It was unbelievable. It opened my eyes with a bludgeoning almost every time I turned around.

I found out that the whole idea that she had had was to be scrapped. And what I was to do was to find, turned out to be 11 different families in this country, and I was to interview them to find out how families live. That was exciting. I didn't have any extra money, and I was going to get to fly all over the United States.

I did that, too. That's a book. I'm someday going to write that book. It was a manifestation of a father's generosity from the very beginning. It happened that the San Francisco family

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was to be interviewed so that we would have a chapter in our little first-grader's book about economics. And so when I got to that area, I have a brother living up there. He had a beautiful Japanese family that he knew, and he was an architect. I couldn't resist doing the interviewing for him, so we went ahead with that one,

and at the same time, I interviewed a Chinese family, and that father was with the Internal Revenue Bureau. There I thought, oh, boy, there we will get it. And the whole thing that little first-graders can know about economics will be brought about through the Chinese family,

and everything that children can learn about the arts and architecture and creating through having a vision and all of that can come through this Japanese family. So I interviewed the Chinese family and found that they had a darling little girl, and we took her to Golden Gate Park, and we photographed her,

my photographer and I photographed her all the way through that park with the tea garden and the goldfish. It had a beautiful layout. It was touching, and the photographs were exquisite. And then we photographed the father at work and all of that,

and we photographed the little girl going to the bank and putting her dollar in and the big vault and all of this. And when I got the material back, I looked at it all, and I could see that we could have maybe three pages out of that story devoted to what the little girl did with her money.

And the rest was to be devoted to what she did. To what a child experiences when she goes through Golden Gate Park. Well, I wrote it that way, and my editor was pleased with what we did, but everything that we did, and there was a team of us.

The series was kindergarten through grade 12. Everything we did was submitted to 12 consultants, each one an expert. And when the consultant read my first grade story, the consultant in economics, he said, well, that won't teach children very much about economics. Only three pages,

and she doesn't even have the very basic first concept in economics. Do you know what that one is? Anybody here? See that I'm a school teacher? Well, the first, the basic concept, if you are an economist,

is the law of scarcity. On this planet, there are limited means. And unlimited demands made upon the source of supply. And if you are a true student, you know that that is a lie. How can you write a book for children and tell them that there is such a thing as scarcity?

There is no scarcity. The Father is the source, and the Father is all of us, and it's infinite. And if we could unlock the energy in one grain of sand, we would have enough to run the planet for eons. And there I was,

low man on the totem pole, trying to tell these people that I could not go along with them. And I said to the co-author, who had a position in a university, if we do this, we lead children into wrong thinking, and what is the result of thinking about scarcity?

Competition. I'm going to get mine, and that means, you know, that the might makes right, and you get into this whole bag that this planet has been inundated with for so many thousands of years. And I refused.

It didn't matter to me. You know, they could fire me. I didn't care, but I was going to hold my own. Well, it became a thing. And I finally said, well, if you put that in, I'm going to take my name off the book,

because I'm not going to be responsible for that type of consciousness going into first grade children who have come in, oh, you can't believe what they don't know, when I say who have come into this body, particularly to bring the light. What do you mean, come into this body?

And you can't stop and give publishers and editors and consultants a whole thing. So, the chapters were eventually pulled out. I wouldn't give. And when it was finally seen that the book was too thick anyway, the chapters that had any friction in them

got pulled out entirely. Well, I was grateful, because I'd rather have the chapters out of the book than to be responsible for teaching children anything that was wrong. But there are not many teachers, and there are not many parents, who picking up that textbook

would have realized that the concept of scarcity, which is an intellectual concept which man has brought about because of his false thinking, was untrue. It would have been taught as if it were the truth.

And this is what our new age children are rebelling against, but they don't have a handle on it yet. They intuit that something is not right, but they don't know quite what it is. Do you see what I'm saying? This multiplied many times over

is what is causing the present chaos in what we term education. It's really what we should be calling schooling. And we must get back to fundamental things. We must get back to the truth teachings, but we dare not couch it. At this point,

in terms that seem to be religion. And so how do we do it? Well, I know how it's to be done. And I know now what my role is for the next few years anyway. The vocabulary must be the vocabulary of psychology and science. They are going to open the door for us.

And the psychology that is going to be basic is going to be the psychology of Carl Jung. I'm sure that you know something about Carl Jung. But if you don't, if you ever see advertised the movie that Lawrence Vanderpost has put out in three parts on the life of Carl Jung, you go.

And if you have any youngsters in your family, take them. I think it's a donation basis usually of a dollar or something. It is not run in the, you know, I mean it's not a thing you would hear about just every place, but different organizations pick that film up and show it.

The Theosophical Society has shown it. The Yogananda people have shown it. The Jungians have shown it several times. It comes to Los Angeles frequently. And you go. Because there are ideas in there that the lay person can take with him that are absolutely essential for us to have,

for us to clean out what isn't wanted in this next transition period and to get to the business of beginning to bring the psyche into wholeness again. And it doesn't matter what terms you use with your own family, but if school teachers are going to start talking about things like this and using things like this, we really do have to have somebody

who is looked upon as an authority or we don't get very far. We still are locked in to the false idea that there are outer authorities. We will one day, and the day is going to be very short, in coming, we will know that every man

is his own authority for everything. Because you are divine. Every man is divine. What children don't realize is that they are not at this point totally hooked up with their divine pipeline. And they are going to relink. We won't need to worry about the vocabularies

because the realities will be right in front of us. Now Carl Jung has said, he has some things to say that I'm going to say to you tonight and then I'll go on with what is going to take place in the real future. Carl Jung maintained that there were very few people

who were really whole. He saw evidences of non-wholeness in even the most balanced of his colleagues. And he began to wonder what causes illness. And so, if you know the story of his life, he was studying under Freud.

And Freud had some rather fixed ideas about what caused illness. The frustration of the libido and all. And Jung was an intuitive. Jung was a psychic. Jung was a mystic. Jung was an occultist. But Jung was also

a very, very expert scientist. He combined these qualities. And Jung would not accept all that Freud had to say. And one of the things he differed with was the idea of what is causing illness. And he parted from Freud. He parted from Freud for,

I guess, a number of reasons. But he makes a statement in the film that when it finally came to the point where these two men were to share dreams, you know, if you're going into analysis, you've got to be analyzed yourself so that you know what your own hang-ups are and you don't project those onto other people.

Projection is a very great unconscious force. We all use it. And so, Jung had shared his dreams with Freud. And Freud had given him an interpretation of them. And then it came turnabout time. And Freud did give Jung some of his own dreams to analyze. And there was one dream in particular.

And Jung came back to Freud and he said, I really cannot help you with this dream unless you tell me what it means to you personally. And Freud blushed. And he said, I cannot do that. And Jung said, why can't you? Because I would lose my authority. And with that, Jung was finished with Freud.

Because Jung knew that until you have that honesty and that integrity to be completely obedient to the divine that is within you, you cannot make any progress. And Jung branched off then and went on his own. And he went to a hospital where there were people who were judged to be insane. And I believe it was for two years he observed them.

And he found out that there were some there who were not insane at all. They were more balanced than the others running around on the outside. And he came to the conclusion that illness was caused by one of two things. And he said, every man has a story. And when a man's story is rejected,

he becomes ill. When a man's story is not heard, he becomes ill. That we are dealing with now, we have a nation of illness. And each one has a story. And some of our young people are trying their very, very best

to tell us their story. And their story, you know that that is a symbol that I'm using in that way, their story is being rejected. And in some cases, the story is not even being heard. There was a very fine teacher who tells the story of a little girl

who came to kindergarten. This shows you how soon these patterns start. And the teacher wanted to make her feel right at home. The others had been there for several weeks. And this little girl came in new. And the teacher knew that there would be a sense of shyness.

And kindergarten is very often a trying time for a child. You know, he leaves home and all of that. And so she sat the child down with a stack of papers and gave the child some crayons because the child was unable to make any verbal or physical contact with the other youngsters.

And as the child sat on the floor with a stack of white sheets of paper and her little crayon, she would look at the teacher and then she would make a mark on the paper and then she'd look back to see if that was all right to do.

And the teacher constantly smiled and nodded. And the child went through every color and every paper, fearful until the very end that this might not be the approved thing. Notice the fear pattern that has gotten started way before the child

has had really any experiences in the school. There should not be fear in our children. Fear is absolutely opposed to the divine plan. If there's anything that's going to hold children and us back, it will be the fear of being who we really are. And so we must begin in this transition time to work for wholeness.

And Jung said this. He said almost all people come into the body having four main functions. Have you heard about those four functions? Some of you are nodding. You're into the Jung thing. He said some people

are basically sensation-oriented people. And they get most of their data and their orientation to their world from the way their senses give it to them. And that was my editor. He and I were opposites. That man could go into a family and he could sit down

and know what they'd had for dinner. His nose, you know, would just pick up all the odors that were in the place. He could tell me how many children there were like that, what the color of the sofa was, whether the rug was an oriental or a Persian

or what, you know. And I was flabbergasted with the instantaneous kind of data that he would pick up. Well, I can ride in Los Angeles. I can drive myself to a place I've known how to get to for years and go right by and be lost

because I am so lacking in that same function. And I am intuitive. I love to deal with the things that are unseen and with predictions and with prophecy and with problematical things.

And, uh, I don't know. I'm here and I'm dressed, but, you know, that's because I have to pay attention to that part. The other is more important to me and I have developed that

and I'm at home with that. So when Bill and I got together, we came from opposite ends and we were glad to have one another, but for a long time we didn't understand. And I would go back home

to write my stories and I would not remember certain kinds of things and he couldn't understand why I'd have to write him a letter and ask him, you know, what's going on?

And I would go back home to write my stories and I would not remember certain kinds of things and he couldn't understand why I'd have to write him a letter and ask him,

what was the name of that third child? But I knew when the parents were having trouble between one another and I knew when a child was having

inner hang-ups and needed to talk and he did not know these things. So we pooled these things. Well, Carl Jung says that these two functions are opposed to one another

and when a psyche, a soul, comes into an incarnation having a lack, it sets out through its strength to try to bring the lacking

function into manifestation so that there's balance because the soul wants wholeness. And then there are two other functions

that are also opposed and that's the thinking function and the feeling function. And if you will examine most of the things that go on in the school setup,

what one of those four functions do you think gets predominance if you take it from kindergarten through grade 12? Are you oriented

towards it? Well, I think it's important that you take it from kindergarten because teachers are oriented

towards it. Film strips are oriented towards it. Which one of the four do you think? Thinking. Right.

But the child is me. Yes. If you get a feeling child and that is the child that is turned down through the emotional feeling nature

and it isn't entirely emotional. It's the sort of thing that you can best describe that he feels this is worth his time and he's all into it

or he feels it is not worth any of his time or not worth any of his time. That's basically what it is. It's the area of values

and then he gets excited about it or he gets very depressed because of it. All right. You get a feeling child coming in

to an educational structure spending day after day after day with thinking

processes. Do you know what happens? His story cannot be heard. He cannot

find his place. He cannot find an area where he can do easily and naturally. I think

the master would say going with the force of least resistance. It's never there for him. And so what

he has to do as a little child is to begin to force himself to play the game and it becomes a very artificial

kind of thing. Now it is right for him to have some thinking things. We want our children to be balanced. But he must come out of

balance from his strength. And this is one of the key things for us to remember. We bring great strength with

us into any incarnation. And those strengths should be the launching pads for whatever else we do.

That is one reason, the fact that there has been so much intellectual emphasis

that the school system is coming down fast and our children are not going to be the same

as the children we are going to be. And that is why we are trying to

get our children to be the same as they were when they

were little. And that is what we are doing. So we have

to get our children to be the same as they were when

they were little. And that is what we are

going to do. And that is what we are

going to do. And that is what we are

going to do. There must be many, many choices for our

children. And in order to have this whole thing going,

we have to get to some principles. And I

am just going to give you a little

bit of time to think about what we

are going to do. And I am just going

to give you a little bit of time

to facilitate that one thing. I had a boy in the sixth grade

a couple of years ago when I had my own classroom who liked to do

nothing but electrical work. He didn't care for any of the other

things we were doing and he had been a problem all the time. And I

told him that this was where the action would be for Tim. I asked him what

he would like to do. If he could plan his day at school what would

you like to do? You throw the responsibility back to the soul that is

there because the soul is omniscient and it is the only thing that can

change his life. And he worked out and he took him down to

the first grade classes and those children began to learn how to add

and subtract with the computers that Tim built. And they were very simple

things. They would go up to 20 and his spelling improved, his reading

improved, he got interested in UFOs and the magnetic force field kind of thing

and look where he is going to go. And this is all it takes is a

reference back to know that we are to help them to change humanity.

And this is the period that we are in now. The one essential object of

all education is the growth of the soul. I don't care what you call it.

You can call it the growth of the entity, the growth of consciousness, awareness,

the being, whatever. Whatever vocabulary you use yourself doesn't facilitate

the growth of wholeness for the soul. And if the answer is no, you don't

have to throw it out but you have to begin on your own to put in

the parts that are lacking. And if you know something about what Carl Jung

is saying you can do it with the children in your own family. You probably

don't have children who are exactly alike and they often have quarrels and fights and all of

this with each other just because they approach the whole world from an opposite angle.

They won't even see the problem as being the same problem. And this is going

to help them learn to put in that area where they are weak. They learn from one

another. Second thing we must do is to find the system that is easy and natural.

We must no longer keep children at tasks that they are bored with. We must

no longer ever, ever, ever give them time to think about what is

going on. We must not let them get too busy with

any work that is going on. We must not

let them get into the middle of what

they and so many things. And Tiger Button would come home from school and he was all, that's my name for him, he was all excited. And he got the vocabulary so easily, you know. They were bivalves. There are bivalves down there, Aunt Piggy.

What are bivalves? You know, clams. Don't you know what bivalves are, you know. All of this was coming in so naturally and she was taking them there and they were studying and they were photographing and all of this. And he had all his little projects going at home. By the time he was four, he had outworn his Tinker Toys

and his, oh, those Legos. And I saw him one afternoon. He asked me for a piece of paper and I gave him the piece of paper and I came back a little bit later and I saw him trying his best to do some drawings and I said, what are you doing, Tiger Button? And he said, well, I've done everything on the map.

The map was his name for the colored little thing that came out of the Tinker. It was a Tinker Toy box that showed you what you could do with them. He says, I've done everything on the map and now I'm inventing some of my own so that other boys like me won't get tired of them. And he really was going to send those in

so that the manufacturers could include those so that, you know, you could do more things. The mind and the body and the intuition and the feeling, the whole thing, was all of a purpose. He was using 100% of his focus and his awareness. He was making up his own problems to solve.

That was one of them. And fortunately, he had a marvelous kindergarten teacher who supported all of this and then came first grade and it was all over. Something happened in the first grade and I really don't know all of the story but he came home first day, he got through it all right. Second day, he came home and he says,

Mama, do I have to go back to school? And she was worried. And she said, well, yes, everybody goes to school. Your older brother and sister have gone on to school. And he said, well, all right, I'll try it another day. And he wouldn't tell her precisely, the teacher. He lied, yes, yes, yes, but I knew he was bored. And so the next day he came back and he said,

I don't want to go anymore. I don't want to go. But his name is Charles. Chucky, you've got to go. That's the law. And that child was perceptive enough to see if it was the law. And he went the next day and he asked around,

you know what he came back with? He says, Mama, I don't have to go till I'm eight. Couldn't we just have fun at home like we usually do and I could go? When I'm in the third grade? He checked it out. Now, that's your new age child. They aren't going to just merely accept what we say.

They're going to find out whether it's so. And so then Jeannie had to really do some things for him. It wasn't really bribery, but it came off it close. She went over and she did see the teacher and things did get better. And now he's in the sixth grade and he really adores it. He's going to build his own telescope this year. So things have gone well.

You know, he hasn't been turned off enough. But there it was at that very early age and we were seeing the signs of it. The soul does know. Now, that child's going to go into science. And we can see that. You don't have to be clairvoyant to see the destiny written. You know, Agnes DeMille, I think it was she,

gave an awfully good definition of a teacher. I went to hear her when I was in Washington, D.C. and I watched. I wanted to be a dancer in the beginning of my life. And that door closed on me when I was 13 in such a painful and a dramatic way. I knew it wasn't for me to do. Apparently, I just finished up something

or I'm just to know about it. But I've always been interested in the great dancers. And so I wanted to hear her. And she was talking to teachers. And I wondered, what would she say to teachers? You know, the first thing she said, she gave a definition of the teacher. And she said, the teacher is the one

who can look into your eyes and call you by your name. And you think about that. Soul to soul when you're there. And that's what the necessity is, meeting soul to soul. Nothing can be taught. It's the first principle that every teacher should know.

Nothing can be taught. But what we can do is to confirm and we can clarify and we can provide an environment for these souls to begin their journey of discovery and remembrance. And that's an exciting task.

And that's what the transition must provide. Because the structures are all going to fall. The textbooks are all going to go. There's going to be a sort of a poverty thing and the school systems are not going to be able to afford to buy textbooks. And there are going to be more children than the teachers can take care of.

And we're going to be back to intuition coming through the teacher. What do you do? Here are the problems. And you've got to, relate face to face with all of these youngsters. And if you will just do that

and know that the soul within them will communicate directly with the soul that you are, there won't be any real chaos or frustration for us to go through. Material supplies we won't have. A lot of the things we've come to become so dependent upon that are false are going to go away.

But we are going to get back to the real. And then the teachers will begin to know that inside each of those children is a mind that has essentially two portions. The lower portion and the higher portion. The lower portion is going to contain within it

all of the senses and the mind you know is a sense too. I always say six senses because the mind is able to do its own direction. And it will contain the ancient memory patterns which we've been calling the subconscious. And then there will be the higher mind

in which there is that, that glorious intuition. And we will begin to see that we are to help children develop the correct uses of the senses. We will give children a flower or we'll give children some article that is in nature.

And we will ask those children to study that and tell us what they see. And from this study and this intuitive process and this analysis, they're going to arrive at the great laws. And then we can reinforce. And then the other thing that we must do

is to begin to be examples. That is the greatest teaching if there is teaching of any kind. To example what the truth is. And that isn't always easy. But it's exactly what has to take place. In the lower mind, you're going to find

the ability to analyze analyze, and judge, to organize. But in the higher mind, you're going to find the instant perceptions of truth. And you're going to find

the facility of speech. And you're going to find the direct vision of knowledge. And when we're brave enough to teach children how to meditate, we can do that in the public schools in Santa Monica now, by the way. The Board of Education unanimously passed,

and I'm very grateful to them, the edict that meditation is allowable in the public schools. I believe that meditation, I cannot ever say you must meditate, nor would I ever do that. That's an affront to the soul. But I can say to children,

if you would like to take a few minutes to meditate, let's do that. And they can go into their inner selves and pull out whatever it happens to be. Now good teachers have been doing that for a long time and not calling it meditation. When children need ideas,

particularly when children are in emotional trouble, and they kick the coach or something, or some horrible thing, and they've been sent back to you, you do what you can with them, Ms. Shackleton. And then, you know, what do you do?

Well, you don't start talking. You start going into their journey with them. Once I was in a session with Dr. Ira Progolf, who is a Jungian. I wanted to see how he worked. And I just went, you know, and we became a circle. And there were some who came to him

with real problems. And I felt, sort of, embarrassed to be there because I didn't feel that I should be taking up the space when there were those that were hurting so badly. But I watched him work

and I'm grateful for the evening because I saw that he listened to their stories. And he didn't reject anybody's story. And there was a lady there who had lost her son. Her only son was missing in action. This was in Korea.

And she was convinced he was dead. And her husband had died a number of years earlier. And her boy did not, by legal rights, have to go. But he enlisted and he told her goodbye.

And she was upset about the whole thing. We did not know that whole story. But when Dr. Ira Progolf put us into a short period of reflection, he said this. He said,

I want you to go down into your well. Which is just another way of saying I would like for you to bring up the subconscious things that are within you at this moment. Not everybody goes down

into the well easily. Some people are just inhibited in that way and they've not done it. And this lady went down into her well and she began to sob and sob. And if you have been with people,

if you have compassion and you've been with people who are going through what you know is deep grief, everything in you says go over and put your arms around that person and hold that person.

And there I was sitting opposite her and it was all I could do to stay in the chair. I kept looking at Progolf to see what he would do. I was up from my well. I couldn't stand this.

And he was waiting. And finally he said, can you talk about it? And she tried. And then he extended through his voice, he said, take me into your grief with you.

And with that, you see, the whole thing was no longer a resistance pattern and away we went and she got the whole story out and then he was able to get her down

into a deeper level. I thought it was up into a higher level where she saw the image of a candle burning and there was a great wind and the candle light would not go out.

And of course, this was the symbol, the healing symbol that she needed coming from in her. And this is the way we would be working with children.

We let them be silent and quiet and go within after they've had a terrible experience but we go within with them and we share their journey.

We don't stand outside the experience anymore. Not if we're in the light, we don't. Because when you are in the light, you are strong. You are strong

with a strength that is not your own. And you can go into these journeys and not be pulled down at the same time. And that's what they need is that strength

and that love and that light. And by your exampleing and by your faith in them and by seeing them through these times, they reach to you then. And then eventually

through that exampleing, they begin to see how to do it themselves. They just begin to get quiet. I took two boys who were fighting on the playground one day

and they were two black boys. They were sitting there and I had six graders, both of them larger than I was. I had yard duty and the bell rang

and they started their fighting just as the bell rang to end recess. My fourth graders were all, oh my, they were sixth graders

that year, they were all lined up ready to go back to the room and there was this fight. And so I decided to see if Dr. Ira Progost's method would really work

in the middle of a fight. And I went to the, I told my class to go on. I'd be there in a minute and I went to the two boys

and I stepped between them at the risk of getting bopped from both sides and I took their hands and I said, let's go down to the far end of the field

and sit on the bench. And they were both, I know, surprised that I didn't say, you go right in to the office. Because that's

the usual way. You know, handle it quick, get rid of it, you've got a class waiting, your own door has to be unlocked, these two kids

are doing something they shouldn't do. I decided to take the risk and I went down. Well, you know, I don't, my life isn't filled

with all these success stories so I remember the ones that work out well. We went down there and we sat on the bench and I held the hand of one and I held the hand

of the other and finally, they were just shaking with rage at one another. Finally, one boy said, how come you

hold our hands? And I said, well, I'm really trying to neutralize your vibes. And they cracked up. So,

I started to laugh and he says, are you serious? And I said, yes, I am. I said, the two of you

are so filled with the energy of anger that I don't think we can talk about anything until you've kind of calmed down. And then,

they expected me to ask the next question. You know, well, who started it or how did this whole thing get going? Well,

I learned from Progoth, don't go back, don't look back. Start with what you can do right there. And I want to know

how you two boys can go forward from this moment on back into the classroom and complete the day without any more of this churning anger inside.

And I know that too was a thing they didn't expect. And they sat for some time trying to think about how

they could do it. Neither one was about to apologize to the other. But I have seen teachers force apologies.

See, that's against the nature of anything. It should unfold and evolve from who you really are. Well,

finally one boy said, well, I guess I don't have to speak to him. And the other boy said,

well, I don't have to speak to him either. And I said, all right, can the two of you keep quiet

and not even give each other dirty looks until the end of the day? He said, yeah. So I said,

well, I am not going to be a good teacher to you. And he said, no,

I'm not going to be a good teacher to you. I am going to be a good teacher to you.

And you know, the teacher said, well, I'm going to be your best teacher in my life.

And he said, well, I am going to be your best And when you start saying, who caused this, you're going to go back to Rome for the whole thing? You know, if you get a sudden flash and you see them like that, then that gives you an insight and you know they're carrying forth something that wasn't resolved then.

Then you can begin to give them some processes. Well, in the last analysis, what takes place is that as we work these things out and get them to the conscious level, all our bodies that I talked about in the beginning become lighter. And as they become lighter, we become like clear crystal. Then the spirit can descend and can take over because now we can be clear channels for that. And when that happens, education has been fulfilled. The individuals are then launched. Now in the true Aquarian age, we shall be working with archangels and angels.

Openly. Because in the not-too-distant future, there is going to be such a light vibration input here that if you cannot go with it, you're going to go off. You won't be on the planet in a physical form. You'll be in the next dimension working very hard. But you'll be from that side. And those who have lightened their physical bodies, have dropped their old emotional patterns of hatred and lust and greed and all of these sorts of things,

have caught on to what it means. It means to be in tune with the highest intuitive self and what joy and peace and love there is that way. Those people will go on and they will start this new group going for the true Aquarian age. And it's not too far in the future. Jesus cannot come back to us until we've done that work. It isn't that he doesn't want to. But he's vibrating at such a potency that he would blow us all out like batteries that have got plugged up with too much of a generator.

And our new age children know that they are to come in to do that work on themselves. And that is the only work we are responsible for. Our own selves. To get our own selves in perfect alignment with the truth, with a capital T. And everything that springs from the aura of one who has done that is automatically an upliftment for every other person. And this is the job of our teacher. And our teachers in the true Aquarian age will be the cream of the crop.

They won't be those, as Shaw said, who can't do. They aren't now, really. They've been guided. They're a great bunch of people. They're overwhelmed with problems that the families have abdicated and the nations have abdicated. They're trying to take them on and do the whole thing. That's why they're tired. That's why they're frustrated.

That's why they get irritable and angry at children. That's why they go home at night and can't do anything. They can't do anything further but take off their shoes and lie down on the couch and conk out. That's why they're grateful for Ironside. Because good old Ironside coming on from, what, six to seven takes their minds off all of this thing. I mean, it's almost a necessity. It isn't because they don't know inside. It's because they haven't got the wherewithal quite yet to operate on that high level.

But when you can receive on that level, you are sustained through the whole thing. And the children say, You know what they begin to do? They give you energy. They come right back. They will grab you around the waist, as one little girl did to me a number of years ago, where I thought I didn't know very much about teaching and all I had was enthusiasm. And she looked up at me with those big brown eyes and she said,

I want to be just like you. You know, that's enough to keep me going for an entire lifetime. And I hope I meet Becky on the other side and I can say thank you. Your little comment lasted me, you know, for nine months. I think I'm going to be here longer than that. No, I really do. I think that some of us have been told we better start processing sunlight directly and a few other things. We're supposed to keep our bodies.

We're not supposed to go through that awful mess of having to create them all over again. That, too, is coming. And our new age children know this, that they are to retain the physical and transmute it. And then our beloved Jesus can come back. And he's waiting for us to get at the work. He's waiting for us to get at the work. That's what he told us to do. And I leave you with just the one injunction.

He said, be ye perfect. And he didn't say go out and try to make everybody else perfect. He said, be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect. And he meant even as your own Christ self right now is perfection. All you have to do is accept the idea of perfection and get rid of the false ideas. And that's what our teachers must do, whether you're in parenthood or whether you are an older, brother or sister, you are a teacher. And if you are a teacher, you teach through the exemplary and no other way.

And when we are in the Aquarian age, the archangels and the angels are going to be our examples. And our intuitions will be open spontaneously and instantaneously. We do need some things to help us remember. They will be using the energies of color and sound primarily, which is what they use now. We will be. Because our auras will be readable one to another. There will be what Chan Thomas calls instant mind sharing. We will not need words anymore.

We will broadcast instantly in terms of our images. And those of you who are awakening the third eye know that this is already possible. Some of you are actually sharing dreams. You find somebody else has had exactly the same dream that you have had. And you know that you have been on the other plane communicating. This will be the order of the day. You will have talismans that you will come in with, by the way. Some little goody that you have kept, you know, that you have liked.

Something that carries your own vibrations, like my winged cross. All right. The minerals are picking up who I am, and they are retaining the memory of all of this. And if I do have to go out of the physical body, which will be a much lighter physical body, I will ask people. I will ask people that have a close relationship with me to be my parents. And they will be my parents the next time and before I go. And I will know when I'm going to go.

I will give them my talisman. And when I return through them, they will return it to me. And through the unlocked memory of my talisman, I will know rather soon, age of three or four, all that I have been and all that I am to do. And I won't have to fight through all of this to get that return to me at all. It's going to be so much easier. And we will all be teachers of somebody and all be learners of somebody. Well, my angels aren't getting mad at me, so I guess we've said some of the right things.

I'm going to stop with just this remark. There are some mind-stretcher books coming out for all of us. And one of the ones that I love, Joel Goldsmith. And Joel Goldsmith stretched me a long time ago in making me see what illusions were. And how they work. How I couldn't come the mental path to get rid of them. It had to be the complete relinquishment. Every single thought had to be relinquished.

Every emotion, every action had to be relinquished. It's just relinquishment. You don't have to work it out. You don't have to demonstrate anything. You don't have to work on a saying of any kind. You just give it up. And then came the set books. Set books really explain what Joel Goldsmith,

has been saying as a mystic. But Seth says it as a scientist might say it. And if you want to know what you're hanging on to that you need to get rid of in order to reach this Aquarian age in the divine form, I think this is the best to open you up. I would hope every teacher would read The Nature of Personal Reality. And it takes some time, because it's filled with rather startling information. And when you stop to internalize it, you realize, I knew that, why did I reject that?

Your own consciousness determines everything in your life. Change your consciousness, and you change it all. And I'll leave with the definition, I'll stop with the definition that Carl Jung gave for religion. He said religion was obedience to awareness. And your level of awareness is where you are. And it's where our youngsters are. And with that, we'll make it through. There are no authorities outside of your own divine self.

And there's no journey that anybody has to make, dictated by anybody else. I'm not going to let you go.

[01:16:00] Development of the main themes

But if there are any of you, do you want to time? We have a question. I'll tell you what. Feel perfectly free to go home. If there are any of you who want to stay around afterwards for questions and answers, I'll be happy to. But I know that some of you have come a long way. And I really appreciate that. Such distances.

To me, it was a great privilege to be here to launch this. I don't particularly like that. Thank you. I don't particularly care to have the lecture platform. But I've been saying no to Lee for some time. And finally, I realized he asked such perceptive questions that he did deserve to have at least one evening. Thank you, Lee, very much. By Jane Roberts.

But the person that is the entity that is channeling through her is Seth. S-E-T-H. And it's called a Seth book. And Prentice Hall is publishing it. And they can't keep it in stock. That's a very good omen. Because for this kind of thing to be sold out and to go through another edition, somebody's reading it. And so consciousness is going to be evolving and coming up all over.

The young people are just soaking these things up now. Yes. The first two. Yes. Have you seen this one out in paperback yet? No. No. But the first two.

The Seth material. That's the title of a book. I think it was the first one. And then Seth speaks. Jane. Yes. I think once you get this one, you'd want to have everything else. But for me, I think this pulls so much together.

I believe that the trance mediums are going out. A trance medium goes into a trance and then sets. And then Seth comes through. But most of the channels that I know personally, and I know quite a few now, are conscious channels. And that is for the new age. Because that really connects you up. And then you don't have to have all of these doorkeepers and guides and protectors and all of that. Jane is very fortunate.

Because nothing has made her fearful or anything like that. After she got going with this. But I think for most of the new age channelies, you are in full control of your consciousness. And you know that you're getting a beam. Either from spacecraft. There are programs put on spacecraft. You know that, don't you? I mean, there are spacecraft up there.

UFOs that have programs put into them, into their computers. And our divine brothers and sisters. Our divine brothers and sisters do this for our health. And they play them at our convenience. They don't hang around. They put them on their computers there. And then we punch the right button down here. And the channeling comes through for us from them on the machinery.

In this transition time, we will be using many machines. You're seeing them now coming through for healing. There have been many. What's the one out of Giant Rock or not? Van Tassel. He has been impressed, you see, to go through the machine wake. And the biofeedback that you're hearing about where they put on the electrodes and so on. So that you can tell when you're in the alpha and you're in the beta and all of this.

It's a transition means. It is going to be jettisoned. But for some people, the healing has to come first. So they can feel what it feels like. Before they can get rid of the emotional hangups that have kept them ill. And for some who aren't sure that they really matter. There has to be a feeling of peace and joy and fulfillment. Even though it's very temporary.

Before they can get the hang of how to do this on their own. And so there will be an era that's very Atlantean. When we will have machines. Of. Almost every nature. Machines for instant teaching. We're getting very close to that in television. And that's one of the reasons, by the way, that a lot of our children do not wish to read as much as the children used to.

They've gotten it instantly through the ears and through the eyes and through these images. And when they settle down to reading, it has to be of value to them. And one of the great forces. All this from your question. One of the great forces that we will begin employing which great teachers have known about and used for eons is the imagination. That's coming. And when we get first class television shows that support the imaginative faculties of the people. We will begin to draw from our children remembrance patterns.

And they are going to come right into their roles. And they will know. I know about that. It was most amazing to me last week. All I am is a facilitator. I teach just enough astronomy when I have to. But I have two astronomers that work with me. One from Griffith Park and one from the Santa Monica Community College.

So they take over the burden of astronomy. But every once in a while I get into a discussion with children. And they'll ask me some questions that. Start with astronomy and go someplace else. Last week a child asked me. We were talking about light. And what light does. The physical nature of light.

And some boy said well what is a laser beam? And I explained in a very simple way. What the laser beam was. And how the ruby as a crystal was doing what it was doing. In pulling the bands of light together. And they understand now about dispersion. So they could understand the opposite process of dispersion. And bringing the bands together so that they go out.

In a beam forever. Without separating again. And getting wider as most light does. And I not thinking of what I was doing. This shows you what can happen when you really will allow. The spirit to. To use you. I said.

The ruby is only the first of the crystals. That we will be using as we did in Atlantis. And it was out of my mouth. As we did in Atlantis. You know who's we? I sort of thought well I better be careful. There is a teacher in the room. Last time I did my bit on Atlantis.

Was when I was a geography consultant. I am always teaching things I don't know anything about. I went into a classroom. Where the children were trying to do hypothesizing. On how did the American Indians get here. And they had in their textbooks. The hypothesis that. Well it's really not a hypothesis.

It was being stated that our people came across the varying straights. And came down the coast. And went all the way down to South America. And so I started in on Atlantis. I said it's very strange. The textbook. The textbook that's you know being really open and objective. Doesn't present to you a second point of view.

Did you know that at one time there was a continent called Atlantis. And many of these people were on Atlantis. And I thought the teacher was going to take off. She was sitting in the classroom listening to me say that. And she really believed I was having a joke. You know. Mythology. And when I realized how uptight she was getting.

I thought I better stop all this. But the children were so excited. I couldn't stop it. So I had to go get the ancient maps that I had of Atlantis. And bring them in. The next time I came to that classroom. And show them that there were some people. Who had psychic remembrances.

And they had put these remembrances down on maps. And we got into the Perry Reese maps. And the ancient maps. You know could all these people be wrong. And I just started asking questions. Instead of stating so much. And that was my way out. Of all of that.

But with these children this last week. There was no doubt in their minds at all. That there was an Atlantis. None at all. And when I said we had crystals. That were great helps in remembering things. And on a single cubic inch of crystal. We had at least 50 volumes of material.

Down because the space is different. We use space differently. By the way in Santa Monica. There's the most fascinating company. The holographic company. If you have a chance. Go down and take a peak. They are right on the ocean front.

Near Colorado Avenue. And they are now. I think you saw it in the ICC. Did you see the new photographs. Done with light. That are just as flat as this card. But when you look at them. You can see the back side of the object.

That was photographed. The side of the object. You turn it just a little bit. And the impression is that it's three dimensional. It's all there. On a single flat sheet of paper. But it is now giving you a three dimensional photograph. Grabbing through the laser beam.

And the implications of this are tremendous. The machines are here. We're going to go through the Atlantis thing. Very, very fast. And there will be the equalizing of the blood. We're going to see the balancing of brains. That have gone around. That have gone awry.

With crystallizations. Where people are having strokes and so on. Those passageways are going to be reopened for them. So that they can re-remember how it was to feel the other way. And then with that feeling nature. Re-established. We can reprogram them into truth. And they can begin to drop the old patterns.

Which are in the subconscious. But the subconscious is plastic. You see. It can be changed. The fourth dimension is all plastic. Anything that you have lived in your life. You can re-live another way in the fourth dimension. Did you know that?

And some people who have gotten so hung up on the karmic debts that they owe. That they can hardly get through a lifetime. They're even searching for people to pay off their karma. And oh this one is in my life because I've got this karmic debt. Could be so relieved if they only knew. That by a simple replaying of the whole thing. And your imaging with your feelings. And your mind.

How you would have done it if you could have done it the perfect way. Does it over again. Because that is energy in the fourth dimension. That is positive energy that negates what happened before. This is the reason that Jesus did not want us to get all churned up about reincarnation and our past lives. He told us to drop it all now. Didn't he? He didn't say remember who you were and get that whole thing worked out.

Jesus talked to us about the state of grace. And that is a reality and you can walk out into grace at any moment you choose to do so. And the law is fulfilled by your decision to be in grace. That's complete relinquishment to the Father of course. But the instant you do that all of those cruddy things that you have been working with and trying to work through. Are dropped and dissolved. And it's only if you choose to remember and bring them back and work with them again. Are you under the law again of cause and effect.

But in this new age we are going with the age of grace. That's just another terminology for an enlightened age or the Aquarian age. But the age of grace is for us all to inherit and to accept it. And Jesus is, if he's sad about anything it's that we didn't believe him for two thousand years. But this was the way. Follow me. Do what I do. I got Christed.

How did I get Christed? I accepted my Father as my Father and I sought only for the kingdom first. And you will be with me this day in paradise. Which is an inner condition. Peggy, hearing what you say and from very limited experience on my part I know it's absolutely so. However, in working with people psychologically. Who have very. Traumatic.

Happenings in their past that they do not consciously remember. But that are still affecting their lives. Yes. Now I am sure that you mentioned that reliving would be the way to correct it. But how in this case do you get them to do it? How do you do that? The soul tells us. Every soul will tell you if you are in a constantly position.

Or you know you are listening to somebody who has a very deep thing to do. To work through. The soul will tell you the pathway to follow. Now one of the ways that the soul can release is through the dreams. As you well know. And you have been working with the Jung and the Progoth material. And you will know that in the Progoth journal there is a part for all kinds of dreams. Where you take them all down.

Then you look back and you look at the patterns that the dreams are making. In addition to the individual symbols. You can see that your dreams do erupt for you a pattern where you are hung up. And when the conscious mind. That aspect of the intellect that decides to be a brother to the intuition. When the intellect is being used properly. It will see what the pattern is. And in the instant of that awareness.

Most of the energy of the ancient pattern is dissolved. Right there. When your patient says. Oh could it be that? And then what you say is. Does that feel right to you? Because you want to get it into the feeling nature. To see if the feeling nature and the thinking nature are at one with this.

And then the words reflected back. This is like the feedback. The bio feedback. Where you say well it is done. It is finished. You have got it. There was a little girl last week. Which is just like this.

After we got through. 40 minutes. Of talking about reincarnation. We are supposed to be on astronomy. And I said. I said to them. After three or four minutes had gone on. Are you sure you want to talk about all of this.

Instead of doing the astronomy. Yes, yes, yes. So we did. And the bus drove up. And they had to go back to their classrooms. And there was this little girl. The children were all gone. Except this child and her best friend.

And she came to me. And she said. I have to tell you. I have dreamed the same dream. Over and over and over. And she said. I am always getting killed. She said.

I have been killed by arrows. I have been killed with swords. Somewhere like that Roman Colosseum. She was trying to describe. She said. I have been blown up. First World War. You know.

Some place. And she said. Always. I go through the same patterns. And I am always being killed. And I see myself die. And I see myself. Come back to life.

Over my body. And she said. What is that all about? Great intensity in this child. To have waited all the way through. And let everybody get on the bus. And then tell me this. You know.

So there is no tomorrow. So. Right then and there. You go cry self to cry self. You get the piggy out of the way. And you allow to come through. Whatever is going to be coming through. And I don't care.

Whether it is my cry self. Or whether it is my death. Or whether it is my death. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care.

I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. My son and I don't care.

My? I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Whether it is my cry self. Or whether it is my guides. Or what it is.

If I know that my motives are pure. Of wanting to help her. I won t get too jammed up with it. You know. As long as it is not an ego trip on my part. Oh I am going to help you out dear child . Sort of thing. I can just get that out of the way.

And in just those few minutes. See what I can do to release her. It came through. Tell this child her soul has released released the problem, and that in this feminine body, being born in a country that is not at war, she now can look at it all and have no fear. And that's exactly what I told that child. Now, whether I ever see her or not again is not important. Her soul told what it had to tell, and then it isn't the soul that's confused, it's the ego that doesn't

understand it. And so that's what you put back, soul to soul. That soul has probably been trying to tell the ego what this is all about in those dreams all these years to help her through, and it hasn't happened. She's blocked somehow. And so having somebody that she feels comfortable with say it that way, she doesn't have to accept it, but just hearing it reprograms that information for her. And now she can handle it, emotionally she can handle it. Oh, it's all over with. And she probably will never dream it again either. There are many ways. Sometimes the soul erupts in art, and you need to know how to release it in art.

This will probably be on the physical level, but I heard two doctors mention about hyperactive children. One doctor said that he wished she could get a hold of mothers before they become pregnant in order to get their bodies ready for the child. Yes, indeed. And the other doctor said that hyperactivity in children is due to life. Yes, it's going to fit in. That doctor's got to have his ideas changed because it's all in her and it manifests on the outer. There are some people who can have the same amount of protein and they don't turn out to be hyperactive. It is never that simple. But it is, the movement

is in the transition period. For one, for every child that comes into an incarnation here to be loved before he gets here. Now that is fundamental. No unwanted children. I am not in any way for abortion, I have to share that with you. But the problem of unwanted children that has been dealt with through abortion is merely bringing it to our attention that there are souls who are going over to the after-birth question in an indirect way. I'll get back to what you really asked. Are so attached to the earth for not evolved really far enough. They've had many, many opportunities, many, many chances, but they haven't gone far enough. And so they

want to come back for those satisfactions as fast as possible through that force of their inner energy they do. And they don't go long enough periods into the light. They're they don't take the whole cycle of going through the astral into the higher astral and on into the etheric and being blessed with the angelic teachings and comforts and so on before they come back. They go very quickly and they come back into physical bodies without having these things solved. And they are full of tensions. That's one of the reasons you have the hyperactive child. That's not the only reason, but that's one. When we understand that souls choose their parents, they choose their parents. They choose their parents.

And that the parents have a responsibility to begin long before conception to do their own purification. The souls that will be choosing them will also be of a life vibratory level. This doesn't mean that every set of parents has got children of the same vibratory level coming in. This isn't always true. Some of you make a great sacrifice and you take youngsters who are not of the same vibratory level. And you take youngsters who are not of the same vibratory level coming in. And you take youngsters who are not of the same vibratory level coming in. And you take youngsters who really do need you very, very much to make a great sacrifice. And you take youngsters who really do need you very, very much to

up their level of vibration. And so you have children who are, you can't understand why they are feisty from the very beginning. And the two of you are not like that at all. But that soul has chosen you for the gifts you can give. And the reward is that you can give. And that is simply in that you know that each day it's a little bit better. But until doctors recognize that most of the causes of anything that is physical lie in the higher bodies, the emotional body or the mental body, we will not have complete restructures of things. Yes, the body has to be treated and there will be some who will be eased by an input of protein. But that only solves it temporarily.

It's like some of the healings that are spiritual and not cosmic. Some healings are very temporary and the person comes back sometime later and he has a recurrence of the same thing. And then you go through this awful bit of guilt. How come, you know, by your faith are you healed? And if your faith gives way after a while, then you get the same arthritis again and you get the same heart palpitations. What we need to understand is after the healing, this is what Jesus did. He was the teacher, not the only one. Lot, Sue, all of the great people. He was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the

one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. And he was the one who did it. He healed first and then he got the teachings in. Bam, bam, you know. And he would say, like, go and tell no man. What did Jesus know? He knew that the instant you start the ego trip of telling out how it all happened to you, then they start questioning you. And before you know it, you've lost this thing you had that was perfect faith at the moment. And the old vibrations start to change. And you know, start setting up again, and with that comes the recurrence of whatever the manifestation

was of illness. And so he said, be silent, hermetically seal yourself. If you know that there's any glamour in it, then don't talk about it, purify that in yourself. And so some were healed and they went on in the work of the light because they understood what the real teaching was underneath the healing. Many of them did. But some of them did not. And some of them, well, I'll just say for myself, I have a great deal of work to do on the fruits that St. Paul talks about. And, you know, that's being patient, being loving, you know, the nine goodies. And I haven't so far found that I'm able on the personality level to give myself many brownie points because when I really,

really get into it, I find that somewhere there's a breakdown and I see a selfishness creep in. And then I know I've got to dig that out. And what I try to do is to hand it over to my Christ self and dissolve it. I don't try to work with it in the old patterns that we used to work with it in. I just say, this is where it is, Father. You take it from me. I'm now willing to relinquish it since it no longer represents who I want to be. And that to me is the, that's what the Aquarian Age is all about. And the doctors are coming to this. The doctors are beginning to see that we are all of one piece and that whatever they do on the outer has to have a follow-up

with some kind of counseling so that the patient then knows. Give him faith. If you give him faith in an outer thing, then for quite a while that thing will work because his faith is there. And you tend to manifest what you believe in. And if you believe, that high protein is going to take away your hypertension, that is what will happen. But if your faith ever wavers in that, then you've got to get back to what the real cause is. And those causes lie elsewhere. That's why I think it's just easier to go the first route, you know, and face it and say, yeah, everything in my life I have magnetized. That's what I am. I'm a magnet of light. And I've brought it. What I've brought is a magnet of light.

And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And I've brought it. And now I've brought it, and that's why it's connected one way or another. And if I want to search as to why I've brought it, then I have to get the unconscious, the conscious, and the superconscious working on it for me. But there's only one power. Only one power. And all this illness and unhappiness and depression that we have is truly just our belief. We've created an illusion that appears to have power, but

it doesn't. unfocused from it, and it goes down. I often, when I ask my high self to help me with some things some time ago, I was given the image. I give a little haiku. I don't know whether it's my soul or God or who, but somebody on the other side has operated with me for some years in giving me Japanese haiku for my lessons.

And they come through in perfect 17 syllables. And it's been very delightful. And I look back over some of them, and I still don't understand some of them. But occasionally I've been given an image in one of the haikus that I can take with me. And one time I was shown those little firecrackers that we used to have as children where you'd light them, and an ash would form, and it would look like a snake. Did you have those? Yeah.

And I was shown that. And that while it's forming and it's going, it looks real. It's got this motion to it and everything. But when the fire or the energy has stopped, the whole thing stopped, and with one... That's the illusion.

It's only that real. When I withdraw the energy from it and give that little active... I don't want you anymore. And it is gone in that instant unless I dredge it up and have to go the suffering bit again. Well, I guess... Maybe it was in the Reader's Digest of the...

Preacher who held out a $5 bill to his congregation. And he says, I'm offering this $5 bill to you. And it was such a different thing that he was doing. They sat there and looked at each other, you know, and looked down. Nobody came up and claimed it. He put it back in his wallet and took out a $10 bill. He says, I'm offering you the $10 bill.

Of course, you know what I'm trying to demonstrate here. And nobody came up to get it. And finally he got a $20 bill out, which is unusual for a minister to have anyway. And they... Would not come up and get it. And he said, well, that's just the way Jesus felt. Nobody would come up and claim what he was offering.

And that's your part in the whole thing. That's my part in the whole thing. To claim the truth. But you've got to get up there and do it. You see, we are love in action. And if we don't take the action, then nothing happens to us. This is a very active period. And it's no time for anybody to get tired.

Yes, Lee? Hey. To me, this talk has just been tremendous. Now, if this talk was sent to, say, members of the Board of Education, some high authority, would your position, would you be... Could they destroy your position? Bury you?

Could they take away what you're doing now? No. I'll tell you. I have started not for doing it here and doing it on the weekend. They have no part in my... If I were to just stand up here and do this with a bunch of children who are a captive audience and I'm being paid for that hour, yeah, that's why I'm worried about the 40 minutes in reincarnation.

Because all it takes is one child to misinterpret something that I have said and go home and say something that is not so, and the telephones start ringing. Last year, what I'm involved in is a cultural exchange program. That means one... A group of sixth graders from the north side of town, which is economically well off, middle class and high, meets with a class from the south side of town

where there isn't this economic largesse. And they meet to study astronomy for five days together with the real purpose of getting to know one another. The vehicle is astronomy. It's my function to facilitate the whole thing. That's how I got into it. It began to fall apart. I was a curriculum writer.

I had no part of this. And the two astronomers couldn't teach children and the teachers didn't know anything about astronomy. And the classes were getting together and nothing was happening and everybody was frustrated. And so my boss asked me, would you go down and work for four hours each day with them until they're on their feet?

And I've never gotten out of there. Yeah, well, that's because I couldn't put them on their feet. You can't do that. You can't do that kind of thing, click, click, overnight. You can't give two astronomers a crash course in teaching and expect them to be able to do it. They have to see you a lot do it. And I would think maybe next year they could do it on their own.

And the teachers have been through enough astronomy now that I think that they could probably take over and answer questions and so on. But it took two years. But I decided that if the real purpose was for auras to blend and vibrations to harmonize, that what we would do would be to sit around in the beginning where they didn't know each other at all

and we would sit around in a large circle on a rug together and we would do a mantram. Oh, that's me. I'm way out sometimes and don't realize that I'm so far, you know, out there that they're not going to dig it. And so I gave them an American Indian mantram. And a very simple one. And I didn't have any problems in the beginning.

The first teachers in the classes accepted this and I sort of described what was happening in terms of our goodwill forces going out from the heart region and from the head region and from the throat region, the creative centers. And then I got one teacher who didn't like this at all. It smacked out ritual and religion. And now I could see it from her point of view.

But she kept her class outside while the other class came in and did it. And this was a terrible separation kind of thing. And the telephones in the community were being picked up, you know, what is Peggy teaching and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I even had to prove, I had to bring in a book to prove that there were such things as light vibrations. The Curlian book on photography had just been out. Fortunately for me.

So I could say, here it is. There are auras and here's the photographic proof of them because I was even being challenged on that. And I asked for a meeting and we got through it all right. And I wondered what would happen this year because I refused to jettison the mantra. Although I was asked, please not to do it because it created waves.

And nobody set down a mandate. But when the assistant superintendent says, please, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this.

Most teachers would say he doesn't want me to do it. But I decided, we had, we were going to sink or swim on the basis of this decision. Can a board of education unanimously pass a, what do you call it? A resolution that meditation was all right in a class and still say that a mantra was not. And nobody had to do the mantra.

was optional. And I wanted to know. So we went ahead and did it. This year, there has been absolutely no one protesting. The children have heard about it. They have come down to the center eager to do it, but they got the name wrong. They thought it was a tantrum. The ones next year, you know, this year, and so they were expecting it. And this last week, the woman who objected to it most was here. And she said, this is the way spirit operates. If you'll just hang in there. She said, I, for what it is worth, I want you to know that I feel that the tantrum is a beautiful way to start the day, and I didn't understand it last year.

Can you go through that for us? Mm-hmm. We sit on the rug, and we start with, I explained to them that the Indians wanted to be in harmony. With all of nature. And that when they sat together, they were likely to open any official session with an expression of their desire for this harmony. And then they begin with, their hands are on their knees. We sit, you know, Indian style. So that the vibrations of the right hand, the masculine, and the vibrations of the left hand, the feminine, are making a closed circuit with the ankles.

So that we actually have the physical energy beginning now to circulate. And then when they raise their hands from the knees, they begin to say, all moves well above me. And

[01:53:19] Questions and closing discussion

I ask them to take the, they rub their hands together before so that they can feel their own energies. If you've never done it, try it sometime. You can feel your electrical energies going. Am I pretty strong tonight? That's nice. That's nice. Thanks. I am because they're beaming it through. You raise your palms, and out of the palms go the light energies. And I explain this to them. So that as their palms go up towards

each other, they are giving one another a blessing of light, light energy. And then they go up, and they say, all moves well above me. And they cross their hands over and come down, and then it's all moves well beneath me. And all moves well around me. And then I repeat, they go up, and then they cross their hands over and come down, and then they cross their hands over and come down, and then they cross their hands over and come down. And all moves well within me. And this is not an, they don't do it this way. When you go within, you're still blessing your neighbor with the palms at this angle, because you are one. You and your brothers and sisters are one. All moves well within me. And then

they take the whole universe and they bless it all with all moves well and they bring it into the heart chakra, all moves well. And we explain what is that? All of these are all moves well. So they're saying, they all move well, and they say, I wish you all would do that. All going on, and that's the way we start today. It's optional. I've had only two... Do professional astronomers watch you do this? They do it right with me. There is a black man who comes to me from Griffith Park. That soul is such a very dear person. He drives all the way, I believe, from Bell in the morning to come and be with us,

and then goes on and works at Griffith Park after 1230 until 10 at night. And I said to him, Wendell, how can you possibly do this? And he said, something has happened to me by being in this situation. And he said, I wouldn't give it up for anything. As a matter of fact, he has decided that maybe he should become a teacher. There we are. Very nice. Well, I guess astronomy isn't so great. You can't go after a lot of years unless you can really get into the big observatories. But he knows all of the astronauts personally because he trained them when they came. They needed, you know, to know the heavens.

And he and his staff set it up for them at Griffith Park. Out of all the planetariums in the country, they chose Griffith Park. And children just love this man. And as a result of his training, Apollo 13 got home. Do you use the word japa? Indeed I do. Indeed I do. I certainly do. I say to them, you have energy centers throughout your body. And you have seven main ones.

I mean, if I'm going to teach the truth, I'm going to teach the truth. And I'm going to be hanged for 100% and maverick if I'm hanged here. Yes. But I also give them another vocabulary, too, so that they don't have to use those if they don't want to. I don't care what the words are as long as we've got the idea going. They all understand about vibrations. In fact, when I say to them, have you ever walked into a classroom and felt immediately whether they were having a good feeling in there or a bad feeling? Oh, boy, yeah, yeah. Because almost every child has been asked to take a note to some other teacher's classroom.

And believe me, when you open the door, you feel the vibration. You just do. And it may not be anything you can put your finger on. You know, you can't say this is doing it and that's doing it. It just is. It's the same way with here. People who walk into this room while you and I are exchanging, you have sent such love this evening. I felt it come in waves.

Apparently there was something that brought your soul here that was to support what I was doing because I have not felt any resistance here. It's just been this way. And anybody who would come in would feel that and come right into it. I don't think they'd feel it. I don't think they'd feel that we were strangers. There are other situations where you feel very left out even though all the subject matter you share. What do you think of Carl's segment? Well, I really don't know astronomy.

It's not my field. So I have to say I don't know. I've learned just enough to get by hoping I could escape out of this because I don't think this is where I want to spend my time. Although, you see, the touches for me are two things. There are two few and two iffy. The Matrim is fine. That's a thousand children every year to get that over to. And we occasionally talk about UFOs because somebody will ask about them.

But I get the feeling every once in a while that maybe that isn't where the Father really wants me. I did it because they needed me to do it. What I really feel is that there's probably a book I should be writing. And that the book should go out to teachers. And that then the teachers can, in the classrooms, influence the atmosphere in such a way that these things start happening that need to happen. And what I've been given is enough concrete experience to make what I say valid. Maybe that will happen. It just seems to be coming more and more that way.

I don't particularly want the lecture platform, as Lee well knows. This isn't really my thing. I've heard beautiful speakers. And I ain't it. But I love people. So we can manage. You mentioned the spacecraft that are computerized to help people. Could you tell us more about this?

Well, just a little more. They know that there are enough of us who are on the beam. In certain fields. That we are going to be asking questions. And we are all vibrations of energy. And those energies are translated into sound and color as they go out from us. You all know that the spacecraft are taking a thought. Everything we do is on candid camera.

I'm sorry to tell you. But our space brothers are beaming everything. They're not interested in us in a personal way. But they are interested in knowing where this planet is in consciousness. And are we ready for the landings that they would dearly love to bring about. And so we're beaming up all the time to them. Because there is on the spacecraft. There is at least one person who is assigned to read this.

How would you like to write the job specs for that person? Just think of what's coming up. On the master computer. Master computer. Just makes you shudder. By our space brothers and sisters. I'm not Peggy. I'm somebody else.

I'm just wearing that name and this body. They know my vibration. My name is on my forehead. The pattern that is swirling around here says who I am. And that's different for everybody. Brain wave number. Yeah. You can call it.

Yes. Right. It's who I'm like. I'm a point of consciousness. And they know this. Okay. Now I'm on different frequencies. I'm on different octaves.

As I vibrate here in this physical body. I'm on one octave tonight. And my soul is on another octave. And my Christ self is on another octave. And I'm all. I'm known. I'm different. And even in the octave I have my own vibratory level.

And that is computerized. There's no mystery about it at all. And. When I have a need. To know. They can anticipate to some extent what Peggy is going to need to know. And when I have a need to know. And the electronic beam or the electromagnetic beam or whatever you want to name it goes out from me.

It automatically triggers in the spacecraft. The lesson or the information that I need. And it just plays. For me. Just as though I push the button. I do with my energy. Frequencies in the physical push a button. It's no different.

Those energies of request go out and push the button in the spacecraft. And then that plays for me. And that gives me what I need to know at that particular point. That is one way they work. And they just program these lessons ahead of time. Knowing that we're going to all make some part of this journey sometime. And they just have it there like a great library. And we just check it out through this frequency.

Of request. Now that is only one way. But but it is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is.

It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is.

It is. It is. It is. That is only one way. But it is being done all the time. I would like to know how these UFOs that you are talking about and their programs tie in with our previous teachings that we had about the effient massacres in the IT. I'm sure they work together.

Indeed they do. There is no mystery there either really. When you consider that all is energy. And energy is if everything comes together and everything comes together. That does not mean everything is parts together. manifested on any plane in terms of form. And why should a master,

an ascended master, take all that is necessary to beam himself to his many students and disciples if he can use the intermediary of spacecraft to do it? Why should I, as a teacher in a classroom, if I can set up a listening center

for eight of my children knowing that these eight are definitely going to need to know this legend of the Hopis, why shouldn't I just put that on a tape and have them go there and listen instead of my taking the time to gather them all around

when I know that I could be doing something else with different children? You see what the... All of the masters are economical in the use of energies. And they want us to be. We. We waste a terrible amount of energy here.

And so they work with the spacecraft. Now, often they are on the spacecraft because when we leave our bodies and we go at night, we often are on spacecraft together. We don't go to the highest etheric realms. We go to the realm that is easiest for us to fit without so much adjustment.

And in the spacecraft, they can come down that far without having too much adjustment. And that's not so much of a problem, too. It's difficult for a master to get all that density again. This is a hard thing. It's an unpleasant experience

to lose part of your consciousness and come into this density. Most of the time, they just project a thought form to do it. But they can come on the ships because the ships are of a high enough vibratory level and they can teach there. And so they use the ships.

Jesus uses ship number 10 all the time. Yes. Do you think that we each have a personal cosmic teacher? Indeed we do. We may have more than one besides our Christ self. You see, on that level, we are one. We are one.

We are all different aspects of the Father expressing. But we are one in the consciousness level there. It doesn't mean we've lost our personality or anything that's interesting at all. But we are in such total harmony and we share the omnipresence and the omniscience. On that level. Indeed we do.

We are co-creators with the Father there. And that is what our destiny is to be. And when we have perfected all of the experiences and brought out the gold of each one so that that is who we are, then we can be trusted. Jesus didn't do all those marvelous things until he was Christed.

In the last three years, he really, what should I say, cooked up a storm. But he waited until he had the powers. Since you've studied the stars so much, what do you feel about astrology? Have you ever gone into that? Yes.

Do you like it? Yeah. Well, I think astrology as we practice it now is in its infancy. I think there are a lot of old astrologers that are back with us who are beginning to remember what they knew in another time.

And, oh, much of it is wrong. But much of it is right. We are influenced by all the energies that are in the universe. And it does make a difference to us as to what time we have come in

to this frequency as to which energies were in force at that time. Because the atomic structures that we are are energy. And energy relates to energy. Energy is affected by energy, attracted and repelled. Whether it's chemical or electrical

or what level it is. And so those energy patterns are valid. It's just that we don't understand enough about the unseen frequencies. And so most of the time what we're working with is rather a mundane level and not an esoteric level

coming from the highest intuition. Now, when you get someone who has spiritualized his or her life, then you can pay attention to astrology. But I know there are people, I've been led away from it. Every time I've tried to do it, I can set up a chart,

but I've been led away from it as a way for me because I would be likely to say, well, I better not go out at 9 o'clock on Thursday because that's bad aspects and you know, all of that sort of thing. And the inner teacher says to me, with spirit all things are possible

and you're either going to believe that little girl or you're going to believe in this mental stuff. And so I know where I am, where what I have to, relinquish is all of this mentalizing that has gotten me into detours at other times and other places. But I have great respect for it

for those that are still going around the mountain. But I'm on my knees crawling up the center now. That other delightful journey of knowing it all in my head, I have to sacrifice for being. Being, that's where I am. Well, in Alice Bader's book,

they mention the fact that adventure in the world is not just about being. Astrologers who will be able to determine where you are on the path and then they will be able to relate your pattern according to where you are on the path.

And I mean, isn't that because for the enlightened person to go by mundane astrology, it doesn't make any sense. No. You may go. I know some of you have long distances to go.

Don't stay. I mean, just go. And if there are still those that want to ask questions, fine. It's getting late and I... Jeff, all right. Now, you said it's the computer, right? Yeah, for something.

Is there one for dreams? I don't know. Does anybody here know? You mean if you... If you... If you dream a dream, can you have it interpreted by a computer? Or do you mean...

No. Who sends the dream? Or... Oh, who sends the dream? You said a computer. I'll tell you, Jeff. Sometime when I'm over at your house for dinner, ask the question again. Because the answer to that is not simple.

Your soul sends you dreams, but so does the master that works with you. So do the disciples that are trying to reach you, the guides, and so on. And then there's the dream that just plain comes from indigestion. So... Carl Jung, I think, has seven categories for dreams.

These two are the sources of them. Yes? Before we go, can you tell us some hoping prophecies for, say, perhaps the year 1975, are there some prophecies this year that... Well, this is the turning point. And the planet in the year 1975

goes either one way or the other. It is to be a crash year for structures. I don't want you to go away with any fear because let me tell you this, that whatever is taking place is taking place... You will be in the right place for you if whatever is taking place in your life is taking place because of your consciousness

and my consciousness. And if you are centered... I have to say this beforehand because what he told me isn't very pleasant to listen to. If you are centered in the knowledge of who you are, that you are a divine son of the Father and you wish to be connected

and if there's desire in your heart to be an agent, to be an agent of your father. And it doesn't matter what religion you have or anything like that. If that desire is there, it'll be all right with you. But he does believe that there will be catastrophes

of the geographical kind that will set off emotional imbalances throughout the planet and they are to increase. He said that the prophecies say that large numbers of people will be taken out of the physical body at this time. And they prophesied that airplanes

would go off, that they would go down. No, they have. We've begun to see this. That there would be many, many earthquakes. That there would be typhoons. The whole thing he told me about. And he said to me personally,

he said, if you can get into the country, do. Because the vibrations of cities that are undergoing all of these stresses, the financial system is supposed to hit bottom on the planet. And, well, you can see when you think that way about energies,

what will take place afterwards because of what depends upon it. And he said that they expected that there will be violence, that there will be those who will be desperate for food and they will start robbing and crashing into houses

and all of this sort of thing to get what they think they need. And I asked him, I said, does this have to happen? And he looked at me kind of funny and he said, no. If the consciousness of the people, could turn to the light

and simply disbelieve all of this that is happening and know that the Father and you are one and that all forces are already yours because you are this one, none of this would have to take place because the planet would not have to get rid

of all of those energies. They are negative constructs. They are negative energies that have been building for thousands of years on this planet. And they have to be neutralized because the powerful light from Vela is coming in at such a rate

that it is stirring its own opposite. Do you see what I'm saying? Now, the balance lies within matter and if he wishes to harmonize with nature and he wishes this enough, then there will not be a resistance

to getting rid of the old. We will just do it and we will move on and in our being willing to do that, all the kingdoms beneath us are affected or if they are beneath us. The plant kingdom will feel immediately what our vibrations are.

The mineral kingdom will feel it immediately and the devic forces that are not self-conscious but go by direction can be changed and none of this need happen. But if you look at it in terms of the way man as a whole

has acted over the tides, the probabilities are that it will. And he sees every structure hitting a crucial point in 1975. The governments, the economy, the education,

the family, every structure that man has invested any energy in will be placed under the most severe stress in 1975. According to the Hopis of 70,000 years ago. Oh, yes. We've all been part of it. We've all contributed it.

That's why we elected to come back and be part of the Quincy. Very great privilege. It's the greatest privilege in our galaxy to be on this little planet at this time. Is this your ex-attorney point? Yes. He says so.

He says so. There have been other channelings that have said 1975 too. But what I say to you is don't hold that in the back of your mind. Because if you hold to it, you're contributing to the pattern. Yes, exactly.

And it's dissolving that that we're here to do. So you stay just centered and know that you and the Father are one and that this doesn't have to be and put out your light of that knowing. You don't have to do anything other than that. And your aura will change. The people that you meet will be changed.

I'll tell you, one of the lowest vibratory places I am in that just depresses me is the bank. Do you ever feel what I feel when you stand in line in the bank? And if you can stand there in that line and simply send your blessings to everybody there, just silently begin,

just begin to give. Just give. Come out from you. You don't have to have a sissy smile on your face or anything. You know, just silently bless the bond. Elevate. Elevate that whole thing. Because that's where the real work is done.

Not on the outer, but in that inner plane. Well, one that's even worse than that is the one in the bottom line. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's very good. I just, I don't know how to stay in it.

Yeah. Well, you'll have to. And finally, I learned. Because as you give, there may be 10,000 on the other side who are waiting for you to be the physical channel for their energies. And you'll just feel it flowing through you,

out from you. And, that's all. That's all that's necessary. Just be in your moment. You don't have to do anything more than that. I must let you go home. It's after 11.

I must let you go.