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1974 July 27th Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Fred Kimbal On How To Develop Your Psychic Awareness 1

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [32:48] Main address
• [01:40:15] Development of the main themes
• [02:29:29] Questions and closing discussion

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The following is a speech by Fred Kimball at the Inglewood Unit of Understanding on Saturday, July 27, 1974. Subject, How to Develop Your Psychic Awareness. An ex-Marine, a former wrestler and boxer, and retired merchant Marine seaman, Fred now lives in Idlewild and has his office in Gardena. When Fred first became aware of his extrasensory perception, he studied for 19 years with the eminent psychiatrist and ESP researcher, the late Nandor Fodor of New York City, long considered a leader in psychoanalysis and parapsychology.

Fred Kimball has traveled extensively, giving classes in ESP and appearing on radio and television shows. Gina Sermonera, noted author, gives several pages of her book, Many Lives, Many Loves, to Kimball, and he has been a member of the Inglewood Unit of Understanding on Saturday, and has demonstrated his ability to communicate with animals. He has also been written up in David St. Clair's book, The Psychic World of California. Fred has demonstrated his ability to communicate mind-to-mind with people and animals at several of our meetings in the past. This time, he will teach us how to merge our two natures, the male and female, to work for us as a team.

We will learn how to bring about the integration of the two personalities so that the higher self, can function through these, and help us with our problems and human relationships. Hello. I've written up in books, Gina Sermonera is one of the most popular writers in this subject. She's mentioned him in the book, Many Lives, Many Loves. She told us when we first heard Gina Sermonera that Fred Kimball was one individual she thought was truthful down to earth, that she could understand and it made sense to her. It's a pleasure to bring this gentleman here to speak to us on the topic, How to Develop Your Psychic Awareness.

May I ask Fred Kimball to step forward? Thank you. You're a treat to me. I have four and a half scrapbooks full of write-ups. Eight different books have written about me, and never have they given me a chance to, once or twice a year I can work with humans, always with animals. Wherever I go, how about my cat, my dog, the big little puppies to me, I expect them to have all the knowledge of a little baby would have about Watergate.

I mean, this is what they come. A kitten comes down. Women come down to write stories. They bring along a less than a year old dog and cat and expect it to be a genius. It's like going to a child. So to have a chance to work with humans once or twice a year, they give me a chance. So it's kind of flattering to the ego. Basically, I'll try to lecture, then get in and answer as many questions as I can.

The thing on integration. Now, this is more important for a man than a woman. And if I sound like I'm in a trance, I'm not. It's a kind of a concentration. I was a pro wrestler for 22 years, and I was surprised by it. And this Joe Pine, when he gave me help, said, you've been hit in the head, you ought to be a great psychic. I said, if you get hit in the head like Peter Herkes says, made a great psychic,

I'd be the world's greatest. So I do have to concentrate. But basically, normally if we look at it, and I'll start right in, our male self, I've made an identity, I'm a male. This means I've shut out the female self completely and entirely. And I've worshipped a male god. So there's no feminine nature allowed.

In Manny Hall's big book, it used to run for $300, he shows that the psychic ability is feminine. Now, the earth is female. Now, I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but I ask them to be tolerant of my ideas. They don't have to believe me if they're a little bit different. But the religion that I came from, you're never acknowledged in the book.

I started bringing it up, and I didn't think I should. A new light from an old lamp. It's, oh, my Holy Spirit. This was the first century text of the Lord's Prayer. You spoke to your own divine nature. That was changed. If you remember back in the day, St. John measured heaven as 15 miles square.

Its width and breadth is equal. There's 144,000 that come to your doors regularly. They're all going to get in. And there's one million of them. How you figure it out, I don't know. But that's the benefit of not having a college degree. So, basically, we are taught to turn away from our self. Turn away from it.

Now, normally, a woman, it works with the female self. It's much easier for a woman to develop psychic abilities than it is for a man. I was associated with Arthur Ford. And I wasn't his boyfriend either. But I was associated with him, traveled with him, rubbed him down, belonged to his church, worked on it. And he said, 70% of the male psychics are homosexuals. And he says, I ought to know.

And I agreed with him. He had been with him. So, normally, to develop this, when I went to a psychiatrist, I don't think it's fair to mention his name. He says, go on out. Well, I couldn't put it in that kind of language in front of people. But anyway, be a homosexual. Live as a woman.

Go cut hair. And be a female. And you can develop these powers easy. If you want to stay a male, it isn't quite as easy. So, I had to start in to figure out for myself. If I live as a male, and I made an identity as a male, and I'm praying to a male god, where is the feminine part of me?

Now, I stand father here and mother here. And you're the offspring. And all knowledge must come through father. And mother must tell you nothing. It's one-sidedism. Or you move into the female stuff, and it all comes through the female. So, there's nothing coming through the male.

Now, how can I integrate myself? Well, I looked in the Kabbalah, and did pentagrams, and did all this all year, and vibrations and all of that. But basically, you sit down by yourself in a kind of a meditation. You visualize two things. You look through the side of yourself,

and it's easy to see a divine consciousness. Now, don't put a face on it. And if you want to see a face, if you could ever find in a library, I think it's in July of Esquire, about 1934, there's 200 faces of the people that are drawn that represented Jesus down through the years.

Now, there's quite a lot of different opinions about what the original face was. You visualize. Don't put a face. You'll see this divine consciousness inside of you. We have been taught that God is outside of us. This is religion, not metaphysical people. So, you pray to something away from you, outside of you.

And the man says, Well, I thank God. I say, Well, that's fine. He presented this earth, and everything is here. But how about giving thanks to your own soul that did the work, your own subconscious mind? Really, do you say,

Well, thanks for giving me the right intuition, the right direction, the right insight, things of this type. So, really, are you going to the source material? You're asking some outside being, you're thanking an outside being. But when do you allow your own conscious to do?

So, you visualize yourself outside. I put that in my book that I have back here. You see it outside of yourself, and then see it inside of you. Now, when you see this inside of you, it's like a ghost form. This ghost form, you'd see it.

And you can see it just as bright, and you don't know how come. You can see it shining out of the back of you as if you had eyes. Eyes back there, too. It's a mystery. Then, pretty soon, you discover,

I'm a little tiny bit of a being, and here's a great big giant that's real to me. Now, you ask your Max Freedom Long's work, and he said they got up to measure the auras, and it reaches up two stars. In Harmony Grove, when I was down there years ago, they measured auras.

The average person's auras would run about 19 feet if they're in metaphysics for quite a while. Many of the people that hadn't had time to study, they were 9 to 11 feet. Mine was 29, which was,

I think, the longest of any of them that they measured. Then they were so skeptical of it that they had to measure east and west, as well as north and south. They thought maybe the vibration of the earth had changed.

But basically, it goes on. If any of you are familiar with the Brahma brain radiation here, anybody know about that? They measure your brain radiation, what it rates. It tells you where you are.

When you concentrate on your own divine nature, your intelligence steps up, and then it steps down. Well, this self in you, what it does, is it goes up

and then it goes down. So, you have a self in you when you accept yourself. So, I accepted the female self of me completely and entirely.

Now, this means that it's real tough, too, especially if you've got a tough wife, that you've got to accept the fact that she is equal or superior.

You can't find fault with a woman. You find fault with yourself. You find fault with a man. You find fault with yourself.

Now, you don't become stupid and say, like, one person said, I wanted to come to my class to teach ESP. What is a man's role

in a woman's life? The answer to that question is, you must accept that woman as a part of your plate

of life. Now, women accept themselves completely and entirely and you see yourself, mother and father

did meet, no matter how much they call. So, now I want my feminine nature to be accepted completely

and entirely as a part of myself. This, for the men, thing you ask any mother, the first thing a boy must do is revolt against mother to assert his maleness or else he's kind of the homo type, you know. He has to be quite, get a lot of hostility in him to identify with him. He's lived in mother for a year. He's made his own identity with mother.

Now he has to put on his male identity. How can you do it without putting on a little hostility? It's a normal part of a boy's life to be resentful of mother. So then you come back as an adult and say, but I want to integrate my feminine self completely and entirely. Well, the earth is mother earth. That's the feminine quality. And you make this identity with a female self, completely with the understanding that it stays in intuition, in creative ability, in artist ability, and all of this stuff. This leaves you free to get married and function as a man if you find that delightful. So it's all a matter of a question. Now you could think of the kundalini energies and you could find books, The Serpent Power. I asked here in

California. I was in California. I was in New York City. I was in New York City. I was in New York City. I was in New York City. I was in New York City. I was in New York City. I was in New York City. I was associated with them. What is the best secret books that you have? I always thought somewhere in the library there's a secret book. You find this book that's going to open all the doors. Well, after all, as a country boy, I didn't know any better. Some place in this world they've got something that's going to tell you. So he told me The Serpent Powers. Well, the kundalini energies that come on up through the chardas into your mind come on up as creativity. The overflow is for what you want to do and have fun, have children, and so on. It's an overflow but it comes

in is creativity after ford talked some about this but if you look at the ralston book the other mind you'll find that it's an old book long back they were very good at that time the edison said i was over sex but it wasn't a problem had a willing wife uh henry ford said the same thing so these are the creative images they come on up into creativity well i tried to shut it off i got married at 60. i mean you shut down well you don't shut down you shut down the flow in you say transmutet it didn't work so basically it's a matter of the understanding how these energies form bringing them on in then you have to tell your own mind i had a woman just flew out she's depressed today to see me and she come out from ohio she'd been asking for two years she's

depressed and she said i know you're good you told me my daughter was suicidal and i didn't believe it she was in a glee club and everything else and four months later she blew her brains to pieces so anyway so i tried to tell her ahead of time but it didn't work well she has a depression well you're have to teach your own mind you have to look at everything you've ever accomplished if you want to learn to ride a bike and you did then you're a success if you want to go someplace you did your success you looked at everything you've accomplished i succeeded in this i succeeded in this i succeeded in this i succeeded in this little tiny trifling things until your own

consciousness begins to think of yourself and why i'm succeeding oh you can come in and say listen i want to do this and i didn't do it i want to do this and i didn't do it because i told her i says i wanted to be the heavyweight champion wrestler of the world i couldn't get to be a heavyweight so how am i going to be the heavyweight champion so i mean it's just one of these things so you can look at all your things and then you say now let's say i bought this stock it went down i bought this stock it went down i bought this and it went down and i bought this one it down so now please help me to find another one go down or you said bought this and went up don't say a word about that when i bought this one went up and you don't say worried about i bought this it

went up now please help me to get another and the thanks they sure appreciate it the subconscious mind as we call this divine nature is feminine and what does a woman work for appreciation a woman is ears i like you i love you i appreciate what you're doing and you women if you don't have a strong enough ego uh this is not supposed to be part of the lecture but i do this in counseling work and many times they don't have the faith in themselves they should the government figures on that before they came up with a two dollars an hour dollar sixty was that you're worth eight thousand dollars a year as an economic

asset to the man that doesn't count bedroom bedroom privileges now in true magazine for for april and you can read it just this last april they say you're worth ten thousand dollars a year to the man as an economic asset but it does count better improvements so this is what this so if your ego is low well bring it up a little bit now understanding all of these are a part of your own mind the divine nature within yourself it needs to be asked if you ask it it has a right to function you don't ask it what right is yours to ask it if you ask it it has a right to function is it to intrude in your conscious mind's house? This is your environmental house. So here will sit this divine nature like Buddha on the throne. I said, well, they didn't ask

me. Why should I force myself? I said, I'm walking down. You're a plumber. You walk down the street and you've got a leaky faucet. You can't go busting in the house to help unless they ask you. Neither can this divine nature. So when you accept the fact, now for a woman, usually she has prayed to a male god. So she's accepted a male part. If she's functioned and hasn't been too bitter about it with a man, she's accepted herself as a female. So she can say, well, I've made a pretty good integration. I say, yes. But don't be too critical of the male so you'll find fault with yourself. Well, father was no good. Well, you're made up of father. Well, mother was a so-and-so. Well, you're made up of mother.

So anytime you find fault with subconscious, it says, he doesn't like me. So you have to learn to like yourself and don't let it run away. And that's a problem. You can get conceited. So merging these two beings together within yourself. The original Lord's Prayer is, mend my fault that I may see no fault in others. If none of this, I have to ask God, don't lead me not into temptation. That's a change from the original. The original's are in a book. Come back and look at it. It's a good one there. And these are traced out from the original. The book will let no man. So basically, people say, I sat and sat and sat. This woman had four years of psychoanalysis. It was with

me today. School teacher, college graduate. Had one yesterday. Had two years. They had even touched the beginning of herself. Mother didn't want me. Father didn't want me. God didn't want me. A girl comes in, they want a boy. So she'll have a divorce if she possibly can. You tell yourself, your parents' opinion shouldn't run your life. This is what was born in you. You teach yourself, if I wasn't wanted, I should be. If I wasn't needed, I should be. If I wasn't loved, I should be. Come on in here, my psychic mind. Come on in here, my spiritual mind. I teach classes by enthusiasm, and I've got my first. Last class I had, I had a woman come in. She took more attention than the other. She said, I'm

39 people in the class, and she didn't see ours in one lesson. I asked her, what happened when she was about 35? I said, a divorce and a lot of trouble. She said, nothing happened. And I got a castle check. In 31 years, I got my first castle check. She expected to see ours. Well, I told her how. To see ours, if you want to try this, take a black piece of black cloth and a movie screen. Something white. You look just past the person, and Edgar Cayce said, I see they have his books over there. I worked with Hula and not with him. But, Anne Koning in New York City, who I studied with for a while, she said, Cayce said to rub

this finger here. Now, I developed the ability to see ours rubbing the little finger. Now, I tell people in the class, what if rubbing this finger develops the ability, or what if the match, I want to see ours. Show me this person's ours. Let me see the ours. Let me translate the ours. Tell me what the ours are. What if it's one of these or the other? I said, I don't know, but it works. These are not faith things. There's something, I didn't use a black cloth. I had seven that didn't see ours the first time around, and five out of the forty didn't see ours the second time. And I only had the movie screen, and I didn't bring the back black cloth. I could probably cut it to two

or three. That's in the third lesson, but most of them was the first lesson. I told Arthur Ford once in a lecture in Lillydale, I was with him back there in the spiritual camp, as a healer. And I said, I can teach half of these people to see an hour in one hour. He said, I'd like to see that. So, they all had it up there. Well, I said, well, I'm going to teach half of these people to see an hour in one hour. He said, I'd like to see them up there. Well, I stood up against the wall and I left the, I stepped out and left me after the original. I said, leave my hour there. And I said, stay there. It did. I got this split, this headache, this thing. So, you don't leave the hour there.

So, basically, this is how, did you see it? Whenever you concentrate on the person, wherever they'll scratch or itch will be the little flash of color. This is the hour. Now, these things, the divine nature sees them, like one man said, says Hal Wilcox, he just lectured him. . here. And he says, I don't see it consciously, but I can tell you what's in everybody's aura.

So the mind, the soul, let me see what the seer sees. Let me know. But basically you have to ask it, or it says, they didn't invite me in. So it doesn't tell you. You ask your mind, well, I want to live a long, happy, vigorous, if you want an oversupply. The mind

doesn't see sex as an emotional thing or something of the Bible, but an oversupply of life force. It's an energy. And I want to live a long, happy, vigorous, sexual life. And the mind says, oh, that's what you want. Another person comes to me today, and she wants to be in heaven with Jesus. Well, that's suicide.

She's already taken sleeping pills. She says, I want to kill myself. I says, let's get off of it now. I said, I was an atheist for years. When I went to, this is true, I went to a dark age Baptist church, and when you died, you stayed in that grave until Gabriel blew his horn, and then you came out of the grave. And you couldn't walk over the grave

for the guy to have a holler at you now. Well, that's the way it was when I was a boy. They've changed that a lot. So no one went. There was no such thing as heaven. That was the original way they were teaching in the church. Well, I mean, after all, it's kind of strange if you reason it out. Here's a cannibal from Bonio, and here's

Kennedy's, and they're all sitting up there, all in the same church, in the same place. I mean, after all, originally it was heaven. Well, she has an idea. She wanted to go, heaven is so much better. She's going to kill herself. I said, now let's change the vocabulary. You want to kill your body. What crime is your body committed? You're not going to kill

yourself. You want to change your resident. Now, all of these are ESP. These are your psychic mind. You feed it that you want to live, and it's going to have an instrument to work through. You're telling the chauffeur mechanic, keep this body in repair the best you can. I want to use it for years.

Then, when you have taught this type of thing, then the soul says, now I have an instrument to plan on working through. She's already tried to commit suicide, and she's still talking about committing suicide today. I told her about a woman come to me, and I said, it seemed like five minutes prior to three.

I want to die. There's nothing alive. I don't care to live. There's nothing here. I had a picture of her, an accident in the freeway. Oh, yes. She got all enthused. I had an accident in the freeway. My car was totally demarcated. There wasn't a window left. It was only junk. There was nothing in it. I get out. They pry the doors out and get out without a scratch.

I swear the soul says, what are you going to do with a nut like that? I questioned a few times, but that's the way it came in. That was the impression again. She didn't know until she started telling me how she wanted to die. In other words, why would a person want to get out

of the body? You must have a wonderful place to go. True. That'd be wonderful if that was true. But basically you try to fill your full school life. I mentioned when he was up here. Fill his full life that you can't live here. So the body will try to heal itself. Now to get your

body to work for you, you say, thanks for giving me this body. Thanks for healing and repairing it. I appreciate it. Why shouldn't your subconscious mind work for you? This is an animal. We're a guest in this body. You can't make a thing in there and grow. A few yogis can, but most of them can't.

Yogis die of cancer too, you know. So in other words, you're a guest. So you tell the mind it's preparing and healing and repairing this body and all of this type of thing. Well, thanks. I sure appreciate it. Why shouldn't it work for you? Or you gripe and say, well, I'm not pretty enough. I'm not Miss Teenage World. I'm not this.

I'm not that. And then you expect to have to gripe it all the time, find it for it with yourself. A man finds equality and you can't find it in yourself. How can he? If you find fault with you, others are going to agree with you sometime. You have to find fault with you too. You don't run around saying, I'm perfect.

But you do try to work with yourself. Now this is how you open up the psychic mind. You call it to come on in. You try to be non-critical of yourself or of others. But you do analyze. A man came up to me once in New York and says, how do I look? I says, half dead. He says, well, I don't

have a sexual problem. Then he said, well, I must have judged. That's for God to do. This is a denial that you're part of the living life force, the living life intelligence, the living consciousness that this is some other being sitting out there. You're not a part of it. Then how can he allow these abilities? He's trying to

develop the function. I tell people, if you want to write, if you want to paint, if you want to develop an ability, you teach yourself. I want to like this. I want to love it. I want to enjoy it. I want to be happy doing it. I teach this in the class. And I say, yes, you say, well, if I have that many people paying me, I'd be happy too. But I say, I

became happy first before I had that many come to pay me. It works the other way around. Your enthusiasm will turn on the ESP ability. If you want to write, my wife has a whole lot of things she's making. She just took up riding in the car, coming back from the fair up in Spokane.

If you go up there, don't miss that American picture in the American part. We almost missed it. It's really good. It's worth seeing that American picture if you go up there. Most of the fairs, not too much. If you used to see it at Pomona Fair, it's kind of small. But anyway, she's took it up. She's learned

to, I want to like this. I want to love it. I want to be happy doing it and make money doing it. So she wants to sell a couple of them. So this is a hobby she passed the time. So she doesn't get bored with me at all. So that's how it's done. But basically, these are the things. So what I intend to do and what is asked of here,

on astral projection, I admit I'm not quite up on that as much as they've mentioned here. I've studied the astral projection. I've known the people that run Aetna. I went on up to Las Vegas to work with Paul Twitchell. And I asked him, can your people actually do

this astral projection? I listened to Neville. That was a very good friend of Neville. And he said, I can leave my body and be anywhere at any time. Immediately. Now astral projection will tell you this. And I don't know if I'm critical or not. If I am, I don't mean to

be. But I have people call me. They call me today. The man is up in about Talos, New Mexico, about 20 miles. And they lost the dog. Well, the dog couldn't show me any place. I looked. I said, the dog says it's gone east. It says it's wet. It rained last night. So it wasn't like in water.

But I wasn't good enough. to move. Now any astral projections could go out and find anyone that's kidnapped, find anyone that's alive or dead, and go forward and back in time. And yet there isn't one astral projection that I know of regularly except Cross Set from Holland. I even paid $10 to listen

to him. And then he never talked once about how to do it, you know. But basically to leave your body and go someplace and here's a kid that's lost in the woods. Let's go out and find him. I've had some success, but most of the time, no. One boy that disappeared up in the woods and I've hunted for them and looked and I haven't been able to see.

I haven't gone there, but I've looked at them. The fellows a few years ago, about 47, that were dying up here in Yosemite, they came in and asked me to look for the man. I saw him get in the car and he went on out and I said, he's killed and he's buried. I think I can find him. And they finally put it in the papers. They're sure

on the man. I checked and checked and checked. He says, everything we have is right. I checked to see if it was a homosexual. No. And then they admitted his girlfriend was coming out and he'd bought the stakes. It was all ready. He took a ride and they killed him. So he never turned up at all. They buried him. So basically the others

thought, well, maybe the bears. The bears didn't get him. So I got involved in things like this. But once in a while you can see the picture when the person wants to be found. But this last boy, I found one of them. I said, you're above and below him. The father was above him and below him. The son was fell off a

cliff and they couldn't seem to get a helicopter. And the people called me. Well, now, once in a while you can do this, but it's hard work. And when an astral projection said they can do astral projection, I said, that's wonderful. Tell me how to do it. I'd like to go out and find a lost

kid. Someone's fell off a cliff and broke his leg and he's dying. There's a car down in the place and the mother's walking. Where are they? There's a criminal that's killing someone and he shouldn't be left loose to kill more people. And I haven't been able to locate that astral projection. Pritchell said he had one man that

had done this and they blamed him for the crime. I said, well, that'd be easy enough. I could call up this gentleman here, this man here, say, call the cops and tell them I promised I wouldn't tell them, but the fellow says, it's him, he didn't kill him. That's where the person is. But, unfortunately, I don't know. I haven't been able to find

that they can direct it. They can go into the spiritual realms. You'll see things there. But to use it for constructive purposes right here, not quite that easy. So, I'm not the best on astral projection. I have done it. You travel, you don't travel. You sit up here

like in a plane and everything moves in front of you about 500 feet high and you always wonder if you're going to run into something, but you just rise up or down. And you can see that. But it's very difficult and it takes a lot of work. Silver Mundun and Herod Carrington had a book on this and I corresponded with

Mundun and I said, I haven't been able to do very well from your book. And he admitted that he saved that for a private lesson. And that's what I tell people. I didn't save a $50 private lesson when I put out my book. I put the information in it. So, this is how that he told me. And most of them don't actually give out

the information. They give a little bit, just enough to entice you. And then you come and take private lessons to develop. Arthur Ford was working in Florida in a program of astral projection. They'd have him leave his body under hypnosis and you'd be reading a book a few blocks away and he'd go down and look to see what page you're on, what you're

reading, and come back and report. But they didn't know how to give him enough protection so he ended up in an insane asylum. When Dianetics first came out, they had a fellow named Ted Murray. And he was doing that. And he ended up in an insane asylum. And so it's kind of a dangerous thing, really,

unless you do it. If you want to see your previous lives, you don't have to be a believer or not. You sit down with a mirror in front of you. Predominantly, you should have a bowl of water set inside of you. If you want to put flowers in it, fine. Not necessary. The Spirit

just believes it helps. And you speak to your mind. I would appreciate if you would show me a transfiguration of my face so I can see myself where I've lived in a prior life. And right in front of you, you'll probably discover you're black and not too nice-looking person either. And if you're

shocked enough, you won't try it again. I told a woman today, I said, I've been just as black as black could be. So you'll see this. Or you'll see an art. And you'll see yourself. Now this, when you get done, you say, please turn it back out of focus. You've had it turned in.

You'll see it. And turn it back. Because if you don't, I spent three months living as an insect, as a grasshopper, as a snake, and as an ant. And I got so bored that I didn't bother with it anymore. Now you're under a question. As a researcher, did I really live those lives? Or did a turkey,

that I eat, or a chicken, that I eat, eat the butterfly, and I transmitted a part of its body into myself? Now how do you know? And how do I know? So when a person makes a flat statement that I experienced these things, if you put enough of an amplifier on your own mind, I eat the cow

and it ate a moth or it ate a worm, and I'm a part of that worm. It's a part of the flesh of my body. So you're really under a problem when you do your astral projections and you move into looking through these other dimensions and go into previous lives. Was I there? You'll actually believe you were there. I do.

But if you were there, or simply your fellow says, well, I live, like I tell people, a smog. Well, I'm a part of the smog. So why should it bother me? I make an identity. To read animals, you make an identity. First you go to the ocean, try to find it where it isn't too

contaminated, and you take a drop of water and you swallow it. Now ocean, I'm you. And you're one ocean. I'm a part of you, ocean. And you insist you are. It's one ocean. It's divided by humans. It's one ocean. You make a complete acceptance. You take a piece of grass

and you eat it and say, now, grass, I'm you. I'm a part of the life force. You feed the buffalo and you feed the deer and you feed the animals. I'm a part of you. You take a breath of air and I'm a part of you, air. You look at the sun. I'm a part of you, sun. If you belong in this earth, I belong. You go up and smell a tree

and you smell a flower and say, I'm a part of you. The same life, the same energy, the same vitality. I'm an identical identity with these things. You hear a bird sing, say, this is my territory. Keep away like a cat sprays or the dog sprays around the place. This is my

territory. I have a right to a territory too. So that you scent within your mind that I belong in this earth. The person says, yes, but I want to be dead and not in heaven. I say, then don't do it. So basically you make the identity. So when an animal comes along, you don't put yourself as superior nor

inferior. You can smell better than I can. The dogs do. You can run faster than I can. They do. They can hear better than I can. They do. I have fun on a little boy, you know. A dog in the house, you know, he's not in. He disturbed the people in the house.

The dog was barking at me when I walked by. So I'm saying hello. It's funny with the dogs. A little small dog says, I just said hi there and he was scared of me. Imagine a little mean. He's scared of me. It makes you laugh sometimes. We had a cat come yesterday and today to our house. My wife had cooked up some turkey

and so that cat wanted in the house. Well, it wanted turkey and she's out petting us. It doesn't think you're over bright. It wants in the house and you're petting it. It didn't come for petting, see. This is the way animals are. Well, what I intend to do now

is tonight, this is on humans. If I can answer the question, I may know it consciously. I may have to ask the psychic mind to translate it. So this is supposed to be open for questions. I want to answer as many as I can so I don't want to get

in big, long arguments or too long a discussion. Any question I can answer. This doesn't give me a chance to do too much in personal reading. So I will try to do some of this. But if I get reading, there's nothing more boring than seeing somebody get all the attention and you don't get any. So unless it is something that would answer

yes. Question from back here. I spent an hour and a half in Hollywood when Peter Herkus first came out. Now, Peter Herkus has a good legitimate ability. His ability according to Pajaras, he said his ability runs him instead of him the ability. So to get any peace, he

has to get drunk and go to the movies. That's what they told about him. The ability. He says he'll be walking down the street and the boys will come and say, you call up Mr. Sorenson of San Francisco and tell him his friend's wheel is going to fall off his car. He has no idea who it is or what. He calls up in his broken

English and he'd call up and say, do you have a friend Sorenson? I think it's some nut in the life. Well, the front wheel of his car is about to fall off and it would be right. He didn't have a minute's peace, the ability to run him. Now, Peter Herkus has done some wonderful

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work. I know the man, the man that put these, the new lights and old lamps was his manager. And he was with him. He says, I saw Peter Herkus do some wonderful work, but he couldn't get along with any of his wives or with himself. And he was quite difficult. I liked the man personally.

When I was a kid, I used to admire my father's watch. I wouldn't take it on a bet. It was always breaking around. But it was one of these big railroad type watches. And always the main swing was broken. It was always breaking. So I thought, well, if he kicks off, I'd like to have that. So Peter Herkus sat up and said, you were supposed

to get your father's watch when he died. Well, I'd outgrown it years ago, see. But he had a good pick-up, except I had thought that I won, and he thought it should come to me. I've seen Peter Herkus make his mistakes, and I've seen him do some exceptionally good work. And I asked him about his pictures,

and he says, identically the same way that you do. Sometimes you feel it, sometimes you see it. Your whole body becomes an instrument. And you feel these things. Well, it's they had people, they had this psychics up in San Francisco looking for her, and trying to see

what they could find out, if she was alive or dead, and so on. And they had them hunting for them. The family did contact them, and they didn't come up with her. Down in the psychic fair they had in San Bernardino, they passed out a questionnaire around everyone to write, is Patty Hearst alive or dead?

Well, I wrote out that I still had her as alive, but very touchy whether she stayed alive or not. That was what, I didn't get to turn it in. They were going to check with all the different psychics, about 40 I believe, on that program out there. But, basically, you can get an impression, usually if they're

alive or dead, but not always. Suppose a person, I was coming from Pasadena to Temple City, and some people that I knew, the woman had a book on consciousness, expanding consciousness, and she and a friend said, call us, call us, call us. Now, if I get off of that bus to call them,

I'd have to wait an hour for the next one, I wouldn't be at the place they're supposed to be. Well, why didn't you call us? We were sending you the message. It isn't always as easy as you think it is when you get a message this way. So, as far as I know, Peter Herkes has done some wonderful work,

and there's been some questions on it, and he's had his misses like anyone else. We all have a few of them. We have to accept the fact, I think it's deliberate intention, it's a part of our being, you could call it God, you could call it the subconscious mind, that deliberately misinforms you just enough so you don't get to

thinking you are God. That's my belief. Deliberately intentionally messes you up. But it doesn't ever do it on a critical case. It'd be something not too important. Next question. Yes, sir. Every man's lower self is female.

Both. Male and female. We're made up, my fault, I didn't explain, we're made up of father and mother as a part of our subconscious mind. If you could see the people that come to me for 31 years, that mother didn't want me, father didn't want me, nobody

wants me, and they have their divorces. And you have to reteach the mind. They're made up of father. You live in mother a year. And you women have to remember this too. Up until about six months ago, the medical profession, I'm right with answering that, and I'm trying to answer it, said that a sperm lives 62 to 67

days. Well, under the test that they made, this is the way it showed up. But under the activity with a woman, they had found them getting pregnant five months after they've had their cords cut. So now they've just had to change their evaluation of their medical ideas of how long

a sperm. Well, normally you live two months or so in father, and you live a year in mother. So you have a strong identity with mother to begin with. This is a genetic memory. Then the soul steps in the body. So you have, if you have two subconscious minds against your conscious mind, it's two against one.

So we're made up of two different beings. And to merge these two beings together, as father and mother should work for me as a team. If father and mother crawl when we have a division within the self, we have problems. How can I answer your question? Well, the higher self is male

and female also then? Yes, it is. Where, in other words, if you could think of the two genetic entities, you see this is where religion has, in a way, doesn't fit in metaphysics. Metaphysics, divine nature is a deity. Deity to function on this planet must divide into

two beings, because this is a planet of duality. Where male and female, all the way through, even the one-celled animals, they change their sex, male and female. It is a planet of duality. So when we seek a deity, we must go to

the two beings of our self. Merge with the two selves within our self to reach the greater self. Yes, we're a dual being. We're both male and female. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. When I stand concentrating,

which I'll do here later on, it is like two beings here were turning two lights up, and two beings were turning two lights down, and both of these are meeting just behind the door of my conscious mind, like four flights all merging into a spotlight. These are how these things are feeding into

my consciousness. But I'll be doing some reading before I get done. Can you see what I mean? So when you make a male identity, you shut the female. If you made a female, you shut the male. For instance, this is mother. I take everything from mother. So I make an identity, and I've analyzed more,

I don't know if I should use the word queer or homosexual, but I've analyzed both male and female. Well, father was a drunkard. Father was a bum. I had no use for him. I admired my mother. She was a wonderful woman. Over and over and over, these are the identities. Or they want an easier life.

Or they want to do some creative work. Many of the younger people are trying to do creative work, like making candles, and painting, and playing the guitars, and they make the female identity much easier. Woman's lib is fun. I always say, sure, to the wife,

you go first, or else if they bite you, I can carry you back to the car, you know. You go see if there's a burglar. He might, you know, attack you. He might kill me. But basically, merging these two beings together in us as a unity. Now, your aura shows quite a lot of authority. Whatever you do as work,

you really know it. Your aura shows a purple light on the ear. That's being the authority. So you're pretty bossy. You know what you're talking about. Well, I mean, he knows what he's talking about. Next question. Yes, there's a nice looking girl here. I haven't studied her at all. It shows lots of blue of intelligence, so I know the question of the

intelligence. Not quite enough faith shows in the aura yet. Where's the question? Fred, we live some of our lives as men, and some of our lives as women. Why would a person live their life as a homosexual? Those that I've analyzed,

most of the time, let's see, in 1945, they had a I believe it was 1945. No, it wasn't. 1942, 43. Now, I didn't have the school background,

so I don't know how to pronounce the word, but the male hormone, testosterone or however you call it, I don't have the proper pronunciation of it. When they came out with this, they said, we'll cure all the homosexuals. It's a glandular deficiency. So they start giving them shots.

Out of 2,000-some-hundred, this is in either time or noose week, one of the other has it. I still have the clippings on it. They cured two. This was the belief, that it was something in the man that didn't function. He was just a woman. I don't know if they can.

I've had the women come to me, and though she was so upset, she had planned her whole life with her girlfriend. And her girlfriend went and fell for some man. And she was so upset about it. This happens regularly. The females make the identity. They don't lock females up.

Only males get locked up for this. So she made the plans to live this way. And I've had others come in, and they're very disturbed about the fact that their plans of their life that they make, they run so long, one of the partners, they become very, they're too sensitized.

They're too critical of each other. Marriage is the same thing. It's a problem to work out to not crush each other's personality. And when you put two females, both creative and both artists, and both sensitive, you really have a problem.

Yes, question. Casey said that we picked up parents and believed this. I was associated with Mr. Karn for a while, who wrote the book about his life with Casey. In my own case, I don't really agree. And I'll tell you why.

Over and over, I made a trip to Australia from Honolulu. We had a boy get on. His mother was a Christian science teacher. And his father was a PhD psychologist. And one lesson, he was a full psychic. In one lesson.

Where can you find this kind of parent to get born with? The normal psychic, and any time you have one up here, what childhood did you have? Most of the people that develop psychic abilities are born to stand on their own feet. They can't always follow in the path of their parents

or the religion of their parents. I didn't belong. I'm the only black sheep since Hebe Kimball come up with a Mormon. In other words, yes, this is true. All are confirmed Baptists and all of the rest and pillars of the church and so on.

I was a researcher. I wanted to go to the Catholic church to find out what was there. Three and a half years there. Then I went to yoga and whatever. But basically I was a researcher, investigator. I didn't belong to the family.

My father said, how could you play music? There wasn't any music in the family. I didn't inherit it. Sometimes the soul brings something. I think that we try. There's not enough enlightened parents for the offspring to get into.

It's like suppose you was black and in New York City, I'm going to move into Beverly Hills. How much money do you have? None. How much education? None. How well do you like choir?

Oh, I hate those so and so. I think maybe you better move into Washington so you can rise a little bit higher and learn to get along. In other words, some people come in and this shows up in their readings. They cannot find the enlightened parents

who haven't had any ESP ability at all. And that's in 31 years of that type of teaching. One, everybody has it but they don't have the knowledge how to do it. And I mean it's a matter of understanding how. They all have this.

If you've ever had a dream and you saw a picture in your dream then you have seen a clairvoyant picture. If you've ever heard a voice talk in your dream you've heard clairaudience. Now if you can get it to function in your waking state you're either psychic or psychotic clairvoyant.

This is what I was talking about to see your own life, yes. But to add to this superimposed I hope you can all hear what she was saying about seeing. I'll come back to you in a moment. You ask your mind, add my color to that person's color

to see their aura. Now most people you look at their auras. If you ask your mind, let me see Fred's aura, add my color. If I stand back here and look at the rest of your questions. I think it's either the

there is a question honestly whether if you were seeing a prior everyone says that's their prior life. How do we know that this may not be where they're going to be in the future time also? The time world the people say well no one can see in the future. I had a cop to me and he wanted me to tell me the future.

And I said this is against the law. I said you break the law already. He said I'm going to give you a ticket. You prophesize the future. You can give him the ticket but you can't tell him you're going to. So basically you may be seeing into the future or into the past.

Yes this becomes regular. And if you ask your mind well thanks for doing this please show me more. It will do that. You see dark shadows with people out in the heavens. Usually if I hunt around you see a dark shadow and when you see a dark shadow on this side it means father and this side it means mother.

And you would ask him your father's dead isn't he? Yes of course. And when you see these shadows usually you can establish contact with them. No the aura shows that you had to really grow up around between 17 and 18 a rough time in there. Yes question way back in the back.

You see again I can only tell you what I believe. And I don't know if I'm an authority on this. We think of the soul as being in us. This is an idea that goes back from religion when a baby is born the soul is going to move into it. That means it's a light little

pretty small thing isn't it? Actually we move into it instead of it moving into us. Here's a baby pregnant and here's a big ball of purple waiting outside waiting to get born waiting to move into it. Instead of moving into it

and some places they say with the breath of life it becomes a living soul. So that usually when you ask him under hypnosis I've seen this by let me see if I can figure it out Gil Boyd the celebrity salon that I did and I've been working with him some.

He was too dominating for me. I liked the man but I couldn't stand him. I've seen him have people under hypnosis and things of that type and said well I'm a Catholic I don't believe in this but you said so and they said what are you waiting for I'm in a corner well I guess I'm going to be born.

They're waiting for the soul to step in for the body to step into the soul. I've seen that right on the air and the woman said I don't believe that I'm a Catholic. But basically the soul moves into it. I believe it's far larger than our self and I don't think we can ever

I don't think it's a little small thing that moves into the baby and the conception and it stays that way or that the soul has to grow. When you see these actual pictures the soul is a if you try it the way I've said I put it in my book I don't want to try to push the book too much

when I come to lectures I try to sell a book but I put three different techniques and I'll explain them so you don't have to buy my book to learn. One is to see the thing outside of yourself then move into it. The second method is that you stand up face to the east like the sun is coming up a new dawning

extend your arms out shut your eyes so you're really almost like in a trance and you say now I want to see myself like a Georgia cross burning until you can see fire dripping off your arms and all of this type of thing you see yourself this is occult work see then you look right from your forehead

right back out through the back of your head and you see the crucified on the cross and you say now step out of that cross down into me and you'll see that being step right into you but soon you'll discover that you're a small being in a giant being actually you'll see it the third method is for the non-religious type

is that you hang a light from the top of your head like Colonel Brooks who just passed away a while ago and Royce just passed away Mr. Psyche in Chicago and you have a light in here and you keep lighting that light a little bit longer a little bit brighter

but you hang a light in the center of yourself and you see it shining through this is a little bit slower but you can see that light and it's amazing it will shine clear through you and once you see this or once you move the divine nature into you inside of it you cannot do trance work

and be possessed by another being so if anyone wants to be a trance medium please don't do this because once your soul moves in you are not going to crack up it's obligated to protect you for the rest of your life it's obligated to aid and help you and you're obligated to say thanks when it does

your accidents practically quit your sicknesses come down to small sicknesses your emotional problems your divine nature is now here it's your counsel, it's your guidance, it's your eternal presence you know I'm with you always, you know me not I'm in the Father, the Father's in ye also the Father does us the works

this part of the consciousness once it moves in, it stayed, it's locked in it stays here and you can never get rid of it so this is your guidance, it's your counseling, it's your beloved and you have to live that kind of a life this doesn't mean that you get frigid or cold or anything else I tried living on peanuts and raisins

I tried eating greasy pork chops I tried eating raw steaks nothing bothers the divine nature this is childish to worry about I can't say God damn I swear and look at what it is actually you're saying God damn God drives the anger out of me

when I went to church he was going to go to hell yes question I think so because the people that come to you have many different disturbances and your mind has all the active work to be a psychic right there you have all the blue lights up in here if you have time to quiet yourself down and you say

now please, and I told this woman today I ordained as a minister she wanted to go to work at it and do something for someone college education, teachers abilities all kinds of credentials except your suicide and I said when you sit down you say now please tell me

now you've asked your mind my conscious mind doesn't have the knowledge please tell me now help me to help this person I said here's a person that has a health problem now they are like an emotional problem here they are with a dead car the battery is dead

now if I can give them a push to get them started then they can keep going your transfer of your energy to the person all of these will give them a push but they have to do something for themselves usually when I come along like if I was taking a look at you I can see the bright blue light

all purple down in through here the real students you know real concentrated I say when let's see if I can pick up the quick time when can I get real quick your life was to go into a bump at 31 this is where you are supposed to regrow

and re-plan your life about 31 or 32 came to California now out here it's much different from other parts of the country yes very different now in other words

when I looked at her and asked a question and I said I didn't want to look at all I can do is go in and I can do I can't say please call me up for readings I've got some 14 or 12 or 14 that are behind now I say I have to wait for a week for you to call me till after about

a week from Tuesday but basically I looked to ask her when has she gone through the dark night of the soul is she ready to teach people is she ready to counsel is she ready to be a healer so I asked the question where would be the change where she started to open up like a flower

that you watered and comes in and this is where it comes in there's a tiny lag of time in there between the time she comes in and a kind of a depressed bump do you recognize what I'm saying so this shows as red in your aura has he hurt you

and you get over hating men for wanting you then you've gone through the dark night of the soul you're ready to get out and do something these are the people that I ordain as ministers if they want to pass on hate I don't think this should be ordained your mind shows the dark night of the soul you passed it you graduated

so when you put your energy and enthusiasm you're giving them a push you don't have to worry about the transfer if you folks want to do healing I can tell you one of the easy ways if you can at any time we have a home in Iowa I just have a jam full mobile home

it looks terrible it's full anyway that's it but basically if you lay down you can try it here on a clear day you look at the sky and no human voice around you can have mechanical but not a human voice a radio TV or a human it doesn't work

but you just look at the sky until you see these little white dots now these dots flow north and south and east and west and I've seen them flowing it's kind of difficult and these dots have a giant funnel and their life is flowing into me and into the other person

unfortunately I couldn't do that alone a positive flows out of you ask any nurse how many sick people can you take care of ask any psychiatrist or as Colonel Burns said how many blood transfusions can you do when they ask him how many readings can you do

almost everybody kills themselves trying to help people this morning it took me until 10 o'clock and I had to stop the woman finally on the call because I had breakfast but this is how it is next question a lady here

now when I look at this lady she said she's had so many psychic experiences that she can't explain until they happen our mind always knows the future unfortunately many times it will tell me or tell my wife something about the future weeks months and years ahead

and it doesn't happen immediately so you'll think you got wrong advice your aura shows a fairly good authority usually you ask the mind you have given me a preview now please give me the information that I can use this it's like the person that wrote a book

he wrote a book and was a top seller and the very top therapist says I want you to take this patient of mine I can't have him he's too bitter I says you wrote a book and it was a best seller now you've written another one and you feel mean and hostile did you ever think that the mind that gave you this

would say well let's see you gave me this material I put it down you didn't give this for my ego you gave me a message for the general population which is what it was I says now you say now you've given me a message again I put it on paper

now direct me to the publisher so they can go out I know this is not for my ego and he was griping and griping and griping but if the mind can give him the picture it can do it if your mind can give you the preview of the future then it can give you

now I have received this information thanks see there's two kinds of psychic ability one is to be religious prophesize disaster disaster disaster they do did you ever read the bible did you ever listen to a minister so out on Santa Monica's Pier

there's a woman out there that's good I've had people come to me she says you're going to be in action give him the day the whole chest is crushed very painful well now if I can see these troubles I try to tell them how to prevent them

I have six kids see how right I was you're going to have an accident then let it happen what can I do to prevent this from happening it's a whole different technique so when you have these things well thanks for the information

now please to help me from having this disaster if it can be given to me to have a preview I should have the ability how to prevent it so you go one step further this is what I try to do the analytic work to change the person's future most of the futures I see are not good

see yes yes this is the way in other words these things I'd have to contact her to find out why and I can't hardly do that in a group like this because this is supposed to be open to questions and answers

and that clock will be the fastest moving clock you've ever seen for me maybe not for you sitting in these high seats I love this work I've taught myself just like my wife is doing I want to like this I want to love this I want to enjoy it I want to be happy to do it if you paint you do the same thing

if you write you do the same thing whatever you do if you're fixing I hate washing dishes and you'll drop the nicest dishes and it'll happen if you love them you might try to protect them if you don't like your husband and his pants and all the rest of it when he used to do that you'd walk off

and burn holes in them you see I mean it's a part of it so you could tell him well thanks for giving me this you had a reason for me see all it does show some red in it or some disturbance I'd have to hunt here's a question here yes sir

this is a question that I'd like to talk a little bit about I just have some literature I haven't sent for it yet on a very famous book that goes into much more detail than I could on this usually we have to feed a mind that I want to live what I've already said

that I want to wake up happy so the emotional nature knows that you want to wake up happy I was a grouch my father was a grouch I had to be a bugler in the army I hate to be woke up so I woke everybody else up that's true in a way being called bugler is a disgrace so I didn't do it

so you wake up happy now what I have done I don't know maybe you've got me by a few years I've tried this morning I walked for about an hour and a half I do yogi exercises and I do the neck exercises all these muscles through your neck the thyroid that run down through here

all of these muscles through the body I do yogi exercises so the mind that takes care of the body know I'm serious about this body I come from a sick inheritance a diabetic father and grandfather though his wasn't diagnosed and a TB mother

they make the test and say you've been exposed to TB as far as born so I have the typical gout type of dryness all the time and things like this and I ate a big piece of fudge yesterday which you can't do and I'm full of energy but I tell them and I did yogi exercises today

I swam 40 laps in the pool the chlorine is so strong it burns your eyes you can't swim I wanted to do it 100 and I had to quit on the count of my eyes so the mind knows that I'm trying to do something in the body keep it going we've got the backpack and equipment ready to go then here's the other part of the story

people come to me I did work as a healer and suppose I take a look now I'll ask if it's mine I want to ask it a question about 26 years old I have a disturbance the side of your back or down in here has your back bothered you down in through this area at all

was that shut out years ago well about 26 years old in other words suppose I try to explain what I'm looking at I ask the consciousness when did you the subconscious mind assume that life didn't look wonderful didn't look optimistic didn't look good

when did the chauffeur mechanic I had a nice big Rolls Royce I walk out through this gentleman here and I tell you James, John I don't care for that car anymore I'm tired of it I don't want to work in it I don't want to ride in it

I don't want to do anything then I come back 40 years later and say what's wrong with you why haven't you got this car running fine the body is a chauffeur mechanic somewhere around 26 your mind has a record in there of a discouragement allow me a year's leeway

and replace what was happening when you'd be 26 the mind didn't show the full encouragement that it should be having at that time you see what happens with the question that I ask when did you the body mind receive an idea that you shouldn't

heal and repair and keep this body out I want to die I'd like to be in heaven I'd like to be with Jesus I'd like to be with Joe himself so the mind puts the computer of the mind puts this together so it doesn't try near its capacity

like the mechanic here I hope he doesn't mind me pointing him out but I've told him get that car in good shape this isn't a very good car I don't care how good it is my father didn't think I was worth raising that's how come I got away from home at 14 I was always sick

I never played a game I couldn't run my brother's 10 seconds I was 14 I couldn't jump 5 foot 2 he jumped 6 feet I couldn't do anything I wasn't worth a damn

so I went on in and became a professional wrestler and I beat my brothers so I mean that's a difference but it's training yourself with the enthusiasm actually what I'd like to tell you I have missed 3 times I'm not infallible

my shoulder started hurting me for about 2 years and my toes began to bother me I'd bought the backpacking equipment hadn't got to use it yet so Dr. Loner is a strange man he's a MD psychiatrist since the depression

grew up in Hell's Kitchen and his specialty is a shot of adrenaline, calcium, and vitamins to push you on up change your mental attitude a high protein diet and he demands an x-ray of this area of your mouth to see if there's any infection

I don't think the man I don't know if anyone knows Don Schuster I don't think he'd object to me mentioning he had a problem and he come to me and I had him come all the way from he helped me with my book I didn't have the spelling to spell in my book

I had two books in troubleshooting electronics by McGraw-Hill using test equipment and troubleshooting electronics so he's quite an egghead so anyway he had a baby tooth in the palate of his mouth and they had to cut that out 9 years later he comes back

and he had another prostate attack and every 15 minutes to the restroom and he couldn't do it and they cut your stomach out take all your intestines out so they went back and cut into his gums and drained the pus out and he's putting in

they're fixing his house to heat it all up with all the latest things with the sun heating his house and hot houses and all of this type of thing and he's functioning as I say with a wife and other wives now I went back to our surgeon Dr. Reynolds

and had him cut three different places he had 100% stout germ now I've been watching my diet I eat a protein diet I vary my diet I eat anything and everything I eat 100% stout stoffococcus type of thing my shoulder is 90% better

and my toe and I still have two more that need to be cut and these are where teeth have been out for 15 or 20 years and I asked him doesn't anybody else do this back during the depression the man blamed all the arthritis in teeth and took everybody's teeth out

not everyone gets well so now if you do anything like this and cut into a pus pocket well no Dr. Dennis my own dentist had two years of an intern a good one. So if you have a little puss pocket here, you'll get prostate problems, back troubles, heart troubles. And if these things can be taken care of, not always are they cured, but they do help or not. Itches around here means arthritis is inherited from one of your parents. Did your

father have arthritis, heart trouble, or something like that? Or the mother? I have to concentrate, but normally in here means there's a disturbance in the joints of the body. Many times we have medicine inherited. My father had a bad leg. My grandfather's father had a bad leg. Mine's been operated on twice. Real loyal. I had a script. I hated my father. That's an attachment. So neither hate nor love. It's hard to do, but you have to, if you hate someone, you're attached. If you love them, you're attached. You have to say, he has a right to his opinions, but they don't belong to me. So these things call these things on us. That's how we handle them. I'll repeat that again. If you hate a parent, you're attached to them. If you love them, you're attached. And we're made up of

that. So if we make a strong identity, we have a call to have troubles. So we're attached to them. If we make a strong identity, we have a call to have troubles. So we're attached to them. If we make a strong identity, we have a call to have troubles. So we're attached to them. So we're And I'd say, well, they have a right to their sickness. They don't belong to me. In 1932, in Phoenix, Arizona, I was living over there in Ruston. The doctor says, you have heart trouble. My mother was taking strychnine when I was a boy.

She had heart trouble. So I had inherited heart trouble. He says, you can't rustle over 15 minutes. I was studying to be a professional rustler. Well, I rustled up through until I was 47 years of age. I never did quit. I got the interest in this. I didn't follow it.

So these are things that you have. The doctors test you, and they look at you and say, well, it's studies under work. Sure, it's a muscle, but it's studies under motion. But let me get into more questions. There's dozens of questions. Say, yes, question back here. I don't know how to answer that truthfully. I'd have to ask my psychic mind.

How would I answer the question? I tell you first, give me the name of one of them. Well, you don't look that old. Is he anywhere close to nine? Joel, I want to ask you, before you were born, what was the condition? I'm asking a question. I asked how the emotional content of the child's mind was.

And I asked how the content of your emotional nature was. It says, not too unhappy. So apparently you were not too resentful about, I'm pregnant, and the man isn't paying the bills and all of that. At least that's the record that he has about it. The child said that you accepted it and believes it was wanted. This means that all through life that you'll have problems. You'll have problems because girls will want them or people will want them.

When you're wanted, you're wanted after. I was doing a reading for, I'll come back in just one moment, for the Casey Group in New York in Mr. Kahn's place. Julian Casey was there and all of this. Now, Casey was nice to me. He was the only man that didn't take all the money they could from me when I was going around to all these people. And so they asked me, here's one from Duke, one from Harvard, one from Yale,

and they asked me to do a reading to demonstrate my ability. And I looked at one man, I said, your mother wanted you, your father wanted you, you're wanted before you're born. Wherever you go, the door is wide open. He was 23 years old and a rabbi. The other boy, I looked at him, he was small, dark, and intense. And I said, your mother didn't want you, you were not wanted, you have a rough path ahead of you.

And Mrs. Kahn blew her top. She said, the only time I ever knew Casey to be wrong, he told me I was going to have a girl and I didn't want a girl. She says, how about his eye? I said, it can see, but it doesn't focus properly. That's the boy in there, there's a river, had a scissor stuck in his eye. I've never been welcomed to work public in the Casey Group since. Privately in small groups, yes.

I do that frequently, many times, but not publicly. So when I come to the boy, I'm looking to see, and I'm trying to explain that the boy that's wanted, he has a much of problem. When they're not wanted, well, nobody wants them. I just assume dies. Unfortunately, we're not wanted there either, so that isn't allowed either.

So let's see how the, I've asked a question. I'll let you hear what I'm asking. I said, how was father before he was born? Oh, there's a slight hesitation with father. He didn't seem to think he was quite secure enough. Prior to conception, I'm trying to find out how far the spring, about eight months before he started, there's some disturbance in the father according to the boy.

Would you recognize this? Thank you. So you see, on one side of the family, on your side, the boy is completely welcome. The other, there's little apprehension. So the boy has some apprehensions in his life. He's afraid of the dark, you know. Some apprehensions will be a part of this, already born here to be there.

Let's see what happens. I have a breakdown. Where is this? Father, mother, where? All right, where does that come from? He says he has a lot of adventure coming in. Around 22, he's going to be really want to take off and go everywhere, chuck the college and all the rest of it.

And so I asked him where this comes from. He said, your side of the family, back through your father, was really adventurous people. Did your father or your grandfather pioneer something, a move or change in life? Just enough so that people know it's correct. So the inheritance shows up stronger from your side than from your father.

And it does from the father's side. Even though it's a boy, he may make the identity there. It shows the adventure call. I'm not good enough to say what kind of flying saucers we'll have by that time. You know, I've often wondered, if I could go in a flying saucer, I'd find out how to make one. But no one else seems to ever ask that. Hal Wilcox has been on them time after time.

Others have been on them, and they never find out how to make one. I'd find out how to have one, you know. I don't know. It seems strange to me. There's so many of them that go on, and not one of them ever comes back. Bethan was on. Twelve or fourteen times. It never was to me to even find out how.

I mean, I'd ask them. They'd make them tell me, no, I won't tell you. But they never asked. It seems strange. So anyway, he has a call. It's strange to me that when I look this way, because up till now I haven't been wrong. We're supposed to have the earth.

California's going to sink under the ocean. In 1940, when I left New York, we were going to go under the ocean and all die. They shook hands with me. And it's a healing group in New York City. And at 63rd Street, just across from, right by Fifth Avenue. Goodbye, Fred.

They're never going to see me again. Ralph Houston has a book out. And we're all going under the ocean. I mean, all kinds of disasters. But when you see the person's going to have a problem like this, and I've been seeing this for years, all through from the war years and so on, and that they're going to have a problem

of what they're going to do with their life. They want to go on an adventure. I don't know where they'll go by that time. The moon, or Mars, or where? Out of the planet. I just don't know. But anyway, you see the cause. Then they must have a good life plan for them.

And how can we all get wiped off the market of this Earth if such a disaster is going to happen? And I've worked for these earthquakes and come in pretty good. Not completely accurate. I had one out here. I thought it would be in Mexico. It was in South America.

I had one here up in the north of here. It was in San Fernando. But I haven't been able to see it. And I just don't see these disasters happening. I'm living here. I wouldn't be here if it was. And the soul knows that I want to continue to be a good instrument. So why should it kill me?

It shouldn't. Next question. Next question. Oh, boy. Look at all the hands come up. Well, let's try a man here. I can. Yes.

But not completely. For some reason, your full consciousness isn't there like it should be. The intelligence that I function with now isn't present during astral projection. That is why I say that the people will tell you about this. And I say, why don't you say, well, I tried to do this. I went up into Warm Springs, Nevada. That's a good, free hot spring. They will let you spend the night there.

The science says you can't. The man is nice and runs it. And they had a flying saucer out there. You all listen to them folks talk about it. Cowboys didn't believe in it. He says, we've seen things out here. We don't dare to tell anybody. Because when a flying saucer comes over, the things will get dim.

It's just about, this is the valley where they come up. Well, I went out there trying to find the money that this man, the rancher, he had sold all his herds of animals. Then he died of a heart attack. And I went out trying to find this money that he had buried. My friends told me it was paper money. So I sit out and I'm concentrating and concentrating. Now, where is that money?

Where is that money? And here comes a rattlesnake sticking its head out. He's scared. The next morning, I forgot all about it. I stepped out of my camper backwards with a moxon. That was a rattlesnake right there. So I had seven rattlesnakes. I said, should I kill you or what should I do?

He said, it doesn't matter. So when I kill it, he said, be careful. I've got a mate around here. I was careful. Well, every time I get led to the back house. And I didn't want to start digging where it had been. So later they told me that they had tipped it over. Yes, I'll tell you how it is.

So they went out there. And any time you'd come out to talk business with him, he always had to go out for a ball function. So they went out and looked in. And he had a box nailed in under this, down through the seat. This is 60 miles from the town and 16 miles for a road. And some of them have a break in your house. They do.

Ask any rancher. So he had it out there where no one would ever think to look. So that was where the paper money. Then they told me it wasn't paper money. They found that. It was silver and gold. I have never got back there. The ranchers.

The ranchers own that land. And you'd get shot down there. They're hijacking their cattle. They'll shoot you. And they never come to look at you. And they'll shoot you from a distance. They just toss a rifle away and that's it. So I haven't been able to do too well in the astral projection.

And I had two or three questions over here. Did you want to make a break for a while? I think so. As I say, you know, I used to laugh at Arthur Ford. He said, this is a house of God. And those chairs are the devil after you sit long enough listening to this. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to have a 10-minute break here.

If those of you who would like to slow down, let's come back. Jeffrey. I've got four glasses on the seat. All you do is you don't lock it there. You just lock it. For one thing, you bring it down. There's too much energy here.

You hear it whistling? There's a young man here. I was asked to talk a little bit more about healing. Some of my ideas are kind of far out. You have to remember that. When God created the earth, he created everything good. And you're going to ask the divine power to come on in and kill his own creation. Sickness, disease, name of disease is good.

Sometimes you have to go a little bit beyond our background teaching that syphilis germs, gonorrhea germs, polio germs, and flu germs are good. You have to go a little bit further beyond the idea that everything in the creation is good. It may be good, but not necessary for the human body. So you have to. Take a responsibility in your own self. Frankly, what came up with me the first time was more of the oriental philosophy. I don't know if it can be the charm of my prior life because I lived in China for a couple of years in some of my research.

I saw the last living llama when I was over there before this new one was born. And I listened to him doing the chants where they materialized a mummy that's been dead for 400 years. I didn't get to see that. I wasn't intelligent enough at that time. I didn't know how to do things I do now. That's the Lama Temple in Peking. But basically, when you come into this type of thing, now you have a villain to heal. Now God wants you to be sick.

What right have you to interfere with God's plan for this person? This is the kind of thing that you will get. It's their karma. It's their destiny. What right have you to interfere in their karma and their destiny? Now you have to do some growing before you realize that you have a right to interfere with God's plan for another human being. And you have to take the responsibility. You carry the burden.

So these are part of the thing. So we're asking God to come on and help someone. But again, it's like saying, look, you were part of the creation of this. You created a part of these conditions. Now I'm asking you to come on and correct them. You must have made a mistake. There's a lot of research into being a healer. I worked as a healer through the spiritual camps without the force.

And a person stepped behind you. My mother's dead. My father's dead. I want to be in heaven. I want to be with my husband. And you're trying to heal them. I say, you've got about 15 years if I go through my invocations. And if I don't, you have about three years.

Do you really want to be dead? One woman says, well, I'm living with my daughter. And they can't pay my bills and afford to have a child. It isn't fair to her. But I'm interested in growing and learning before I go. And I want to live a while. Well, what are you supposed to do? You really have problems as a healer.

So this is the kind of thing that you'll come. People come in with suicide in their mind. The body is here. So simply you're forcing energy into them, giving them the energy. I was back, as I said, with Ralph Houston back in New York. And you are concentrating on a woman. And I take. I look.

And she's all, well, I don't know what word to use properly. So excuse me if I just say her whole body was eaten up and rotten with cancer. She didn't have a chance in the world. And the doctor says, no matter what I do, I give her this shot. And she just suffers and suffers and suffers. I can't stop her. And she should have been dead three weeks ago. And she's still going on suffering.

Well, they didn't have the power to get her well. They just keep her pushing her and suffering along. So there's a kind of a question. Another woman that was a healer there. And her mother was eaten up with cancer. And the doctor says, I don't know. Why? So I did a reading for her.

She went down and says, Mother, you can go. It was within 15 minutes my mother was gone. Well, I listened to a man. He's a good lecturer. You ought to have him here. Les Palmer, Spiritual Frontiers. I haven't belonged to it. And he's a good lecturer.

He's a brilliant man, really. And he says that he's an orthodox minister. He knew like an old man, but he's a little bit far out for him. That's a good book, too, what goes on to that. But he's a good man and a smart man. And I like the man. Well, he says, and all my teachings that I believe in as far as religion are put to shame. He says, here's a man for seven years that didn't have a brain in his head.

And they kept his body and they waited on him and took care of him. He wrecked the family's health. They wrecked their finance and everything else. He says, this implies there's no other life besides this. This is contrary to Christianity. That you have to keep them here forever. When they were not able to even know they were here. So there are questions about this.

There are questions. There are questions that are hard to face. I tell my mind that as long as I can live in this body and do something and enjoy it, I want to stay in it. When it's useless, I want to get out of it. But these are things that you make. But most of the time in the healing, find out if you can feed that person, if they want to live, that they'll feed their mind. No, suppose, for instance, that you'd like to get some attention. As a child, I got no attention unless I was sick.

So now if I have something wrong, my poor ankle and back, or my poor this or poor that, I can feel sorry for myself. I go to the hospital, everybody feels sorry for me. There's a good cause, you have to try to train yourself. I don't want to feel sorry for myself. I don't want somebody else feeling sorry for me. I want to get out and live and function. And so part of the healing is the changing of the consciousness. Arthur Ford believed in my work.

The others get in and pray to somebody, sure they'll get better. It's like hypnotizing a person. You can go eat a big meal, it also won't hurt. No, it perforates and he dies. But he didn't suffer any pain. So there's a kind of a question on this. You're on to this healing work of your enthusiasm and energy. Now if I pray and call in these energies to help you up, are you going to go along and say,

I'd like to have some attention. I'd like to feel sorry for myself. I'd like to be in the hospital and have everybody come up here. I'd like to have everybody crying at my grave. Or do you want to get out? Do you want to go to work again? People that are crippled up. Do you want to get out and work?

Do you want to hit the grind day after day? And get up and say, look at these. Now this is crude. A man's life. Enough to eat. A warm, dry place to sleep. Work. And if he's fortunate enough to have a woman wife, he's got it made.

And a woman, oh, I'm so frustrated. She's got to sing. She's got to have music. She's got to have art. She's got to have metaphysics. She's got to have religion. It's not enough for her. She can't be happier than a man can be happy with.

Every day a man goes to work, he says, thanks for the guide that guided me to this job. I appreciate it. I'm pleased and grateful. But please help me to develop more brains, more intelligence, a better ability, greater understanding, so I can make more money and be a better instrument. I hate this job. I dislike this job. I hate going to this job.

Then they come to me out of a job they can't even pay me. Why? I said, but you've hated every job. You hated being in California. You want to go back east. Electronic engineer. Don Schuster, the psychologist, was working at the space program. I took me through the place.

He couldn't do it. At Cedar Rapids. They're working on computers to make computers. And so he changed the job. What happened? 500 men let go at one time. Cedar Rapids, Iowa. He's a psychologist.

He had a great job. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. He's a great man. That's what you call having guidance.

Now you tell yourself, guide me. It's your duty to guide me. My God is the same thing. This is a part of healing. It isn't simply pulling the energy into the person. And as soon as they can get sick, they're back out and suffer. Cool with me. I want to feel sorry for myself.

It works. Take a breath of air. They won't try to even follow a halfway reasonable diet. They want to wish I was dead. I'm going to take a breath of air. like to be in heaven well i mean you have to say hold heaven off for a while i want to live right here so invoke any healing powers you can get on in there your energy transfer my energy to this person give them a push like you handed a man some money is there always a question to be big

here comes a bum he wants a dollar to get drunk you're going to help him to get sicker or you're going to be selfish not give it to him it's a real problem well it's the same thing with a with a person you're going to give them the energy to do something but if you don't change their consciousness they're like the alcoholic that well i won't give you a drink you can get it somewhere else in other words how about outgrowing it like people come to me chain smoking and they want to read me what's wrong with my health well they're nervous i said why didn't those cigarettes were good for your nerves if you ever know anyone who wants to quit i don't ever have anybody quit smoking every time you reach for a cigarette now i say when did you want to

learn to smoke oh my father smoked i want to copy my father my mother smoked i've seen kids trying to smoke two years old copy their mother well i said you've mastered that skill you've accomplished it you've fulfilled it your mind worked for years to develop their body you ought to see them i am licensed as a masseur now and have been for years athletic training all of that i had a healing powers in my hands i look at my hands whatever i got i couldn't see the flashes of auras if i concentrate you can see these or flashes right in front of them so they i cracked their neck and they get better somebody else crack it and it didn't i i just couldn't i didn't understand but basically this heavenly zest for the person but changing their

body and not only they have to have the desire i want to get well i want to function i want to live but when did you tell a body i wish i was dead so doing your healing work is not simply forwarding the energy from you to them that's simple you get out the one method there's a jore method i was involved with that method and i went down then i told the woman like gucci i said now this man has a good aura and he's been a priest for about seven or nine years i said this man doesn't have any more ability than an ordinary masseur they put me in front of a woman and i said well you're not going to get out of here i'm going to give you a healing power because you're not going to have of him so they believe like the indians you that the things are in your aura and the indians took

eagle fest and they get them out of your aura see so they thought you'd get better see so they would call these things out of the aura and try to do it well they're treating a cancer patient unfortunately they didn't get it out of the arm so i was watching i see i haven't examined things yes they're a good bunch i'm not knocking but sometimes the person is too far down it's like jumping off the cliff and changing your mind from yosemite and you're halfway down you say hey i don't think i want to die but usually you're trying to start as fast as you can that you want to live and do so these are some of the questions i told a couple of people here that i try to answer some questions about healing and i'm trying to give you some of the ideas and yet i want to answer

as many as i can before that clock gets around so who's the person who had an idea about healing uh yes uh normally yes uh your mind said that you have allergies have you had allergies have you had allergies have you had allergies have you had allergies have you been bothered very much by allergies uh night sweats well it is an allergy you see a woman's thermostat is supposed to have a higher and lower range than a man not all of them do my wife doesn't have one she was born in brawley and he was born there you think she could stay in the hottest miserable sweater if she doesn't uh it's a strange thing when i was up in alaska quite a few times many times inside every three weeks for eight months straight and then we think of the black

man as being that he couldn't stand cold but the black man lives in a home where the wind comes in this side and out the other side and anybody thinks it doesn't get cold in georgia and in new orleans they ought to go down in the winter sometimes it gets cold and the white man has been living in a nice steam heated apartment so the black man has learned his body's learned to create the heat so he could stay there i'd have to ask him why does the heat bother her what uh it reminds me once i was working with a man i'll try to dig his name out of my memory maybe i shouldn't he's a phd psychologist and he's trying to probe his powers with me so he said you're getting hotter and hotter you're suffering with the heat so the guardian protector of me comes in

and says my conscious mind works on ships now it's 130 down in the ship and if you really concentrate on the heat you'll pass out so you just don't concentrate on it so he says well he has trained himself to not amplify and magnify it's hot it's hot it's hot it's hot and i can't stand the heat you'll have to throw buckets of water on them in the engine room ask anybody's been in the injury room in the tropics no ships one time i walked behind the boiler there was a man that had been right in san pedro and his ghost was on this ship and i said he was a filipino a long story and i said how does hell back in there i guess you don't mind that that's all folklore pretty good for a catholic wasn't it he told me the people thought they didn't they said who told you i said well he

did and anyway they kind of thought i was they didn't like me in the ship but let's see why do it keep bothering her where's the thermostat in the body get out of adjustment what time where when when how why who did it where it comes in the glands of your body it shows up on this side that should be a mother's side was there any kind of tumors or cysts or anything in any of the family is that a mother's side it comes in on this side of the body it shows up in the glands of your body it's even there it shows up at 19 what happened at 19 anything special in your life need a good it shows up in the glands of your body yours is not a neurosis this is a gland of disturbance you see i like to do readings for i can't and i'm sorry i

take it in that place yes lady over here well sometimes i agree with him i i i came from a suicidal mother i was always ready i i did everything except kill myself but sometimes i mean after all there is another life here and if they really are that far if the body is that far gone that they can't say i said well i don't think it's that bad what is it the hawaiians used to say when they killed someone well it isn't so bad in the spirit world it's not bad in the spirit world i'm going over there too you know it's only delaying time so if they're that bad but to me it'd be a question is there anything that they could do is there any reason left in life is there anything that you could do that's worthwhile if they're too far gone i will don't try to urge

them to stay on i'd say to someone i don't know who i could select here if there's anybody old enough that wouldn't mind me looking i'll take a look and ask him but i usually ask the soul is it worthwhile do you want to stay i've had people's own souls tell me i'm going to kill them i'll bring them to you and i'll let you know because some people will die some of them will be in trouble some will die in the next year because they will die in three days or death just like that so many times it says they're no use as an instrument anymore i'm not gaining i'm not learning i'm not going and the other side i don't see why god like my father was doing a reading he wasn't present and i says five years from now this was in may and in july five

years later he's going to stand the door of death i can't quite see if he'll go through or not five years later came down with a bad infection and he picked up diabetes bad so he said i stood in the door of death god didn't kill anyone wouldn't have me, the devil didn't want me, so here I am and I made life miserable for everybody else. So there's always a question in a sense. Is this person going to make life miserable for everyone else and drain every bit of their energy and time, or is there something left that they can grow more? If they've quit growing, they've made many tests on senile people and they find that senile is not necessarily always true. In yogi exercises

they have shoulder stands where you take two chairs and put them in a corner, don't do it and fall down and hurt yourself, and put pads, but people that stand on their heads never become senile, or lack of interest. They find that they people get in that are senile, they put them in and they get interested in life and back they start functioning again. Some of them are not dope, they have a kind of a medicine, they find this. As Mr. Ford, Arthur Ford used to say, there's no cripples in my church, they're all interested, no matter how old they are, they come down and they're still ready to listen to him and try to grow and that's true of the people that arrive here. It's when you quit that you get down.

So basically, if the person has any reason at all, do you want to grow, are you interested in marriage? I've heard people come in and 70 years old, have two boyfriends and are unfortunate with them, and it's good for them, why not? So I mean, it's all a matter, men that come along, they've even talked about on TV that they ought to have a love room for the people in these senior citizen homes, there's nothing in life, no one's interested in it. People need each other as a companion, not just as a figure, as a sex, but as a companion, it's interesting. So is there anything that can be done? This is a part of it. So you

can push the health up and, well, I've done my life, have they? Sometimes you can reason with them, sometimes they're too far down in the spartacy and the soul will tell you that I don't care to stay any longer. So if you ask the question, your mind has the right then to give you the answer. I ask many times, yes, questions come in back. I don't... No, in front of a group like this, I have enough pressure from everybody here to search out the answer, to find out, but I'll ask a question. See, the itch that you have in here is the troubles in front of me, which on that side means a mother's side, there's

a 4% chance of error for those that bought my book here, thanks for buying it, it helps me to take and come in here. And the itch in here is keep your nose clean, I'll ask your mind, I see a shadow in his aura, is this a shadow, is this a soul wanting to kill a body? No, it's not. See if I can get a quick answer on it. Sometimes you can't get quick answers meaningful. It says not intentionally, I'll say if this is true, then the last three years your mind hasn't banged up your car, or banged up your offenders, or had somebody bang you up. Is that true?

What do you mean? An accident to your car. An actual car? Yes. Oh, yeah. Mind is hostile. And you've found fault with yourself, haven't you, a perfectionist? Usually our mind tries very hard to put us... I was up in Washington, the woman backed in to my car. Now, how hard it worked to put me in the right place. I'm meeting a Kentucky

cur and says, I didn't see you. It really worked to have me sit... I pulled clear out the center so nobody would run into us. So she banged, bam, into our car, you know. And then the insurance, it's a different insurance. The Auto Club insurance from Southern California isn't good with Auto Club in Northern California. And in Oregon, it isn't any good. They say they pay the bill, so I haven't got a chance. But basically, I wanted to find out, if your mind is hostile... If your mind is hostile, it will bang you up. If I get angry at someone, I like to hit them. Would you hit them with your car? That's another way of using your fence, an

identity. Or the mind will bang up a car to bang you up. I want to find out if it was hostile. If it banged you, it would bang up your car. This is one way of hurting a man. You see, we identify the car with, if I get a flat, you mean the tire is flat. I get a squeak, you mean the door is squeaked. I get a knock, you mean the engine is knocking. We identify with a car as if we were it. So it will bang this car just as it. So the next time you get your car... Don't let anybody see it. They'll think you need a white coat. Walk around it nine times, and all the time you're walking around, please protect this car like you're supposed

to protect me. I want to use it. And try your best to do it. And if it does bang it, it will be small, like mine was just $50 up north and $150 here. Oh, well, it's not too hostile, actually. Your mind had planned for the critical time in your life to come in seven years from now. Seven years from now is the time that it planned for the disturbance in your life. And it shows up in the glands of your body somewhere there. The male hormone isn't being produced near the capacity it should. It has between seven and nine years before the time, the question you're asking, should be asked seven to nine years away. So it doesn't plan

on destroying your body. Now let's see if I can find your time, man. What time is this time set on? It says on an eight. Will you be close to an eight? Either the two numbers of your age or the last number close to an eight, Ben, seven to nine years from now. The last number of your age, will it be close to an eight seven years from now? I want to see, I'm trying to get the time mind. The mind is on an eight for his disturbance in his life. So they're either the two numbers together or the last number. And you're 65 now? Sixty-six. Sixty-five. And five would be seventy. Seventy-one would be an eight. Seventy-one or seventy-two is when the mind had planned for Doc Shutter, four years.

The mind also has deeply confident medical authority, say that. Your destiny of the soul tells me that you're on a time of eight. All right, did you have a sickness around seven to eight years old, emotional or physical in your childhood that you can recall? Move or change of residence at eighteen, have any disturbance around twenty-eight years old, or twenty-six, or thirty-eight, or thirty-five? You don't recall that, does it? No. So that's the time the mind says. Usually it's fairly correct in what it says. So that's

the time that it has. So if you have a cancer, it's sure a darn slow one. Like smoking a pipe to a ninety-year-old hillbilly, you know? Slow poison. The next question, I'm taking, yes, back here. Yes. Yes. Your color shows a bright blue light down in here. That means a real student. That means a lot of hard work and ability to discipline yourself. Your thyroid shows much better than it has. It means the adrenaline system is functioning fairly good. So that your driving energy is fairly forced. And you have to be careful you don't get too

dominating or too opinionated. You see what I mean? When you have this much push inside of you. Your mental aura looks fairly good. Once I was doing a reading for a man, a fifteen minute interview. It took four hours for a radio. And I said, you have a blue light here, but it's a flick of red. I don't think you have a Ph.D. unless you change the subject. So he's the man that did the research about Amelia Ilhart. He wrote the book about her. And he finally told me, he says, I did get a Ph.D. And I did change the subject. I took up speech. It was much easier. But he didn't tell me what he studied for. And he taught in the university in Salt Lake City. When your mind

had a plan originally to try to push it, it looked like it switched you off before you got that far. See what I mean? These are colors. You have a blue light of a teacher, dead center. And a little bit of a drive in it. You have to watch, as I say, because you have some temper that isn't. You're supposed to have temper. A temper that's in the middle of your temper. A temper is something to fight germs. You see, if you say to yourself, now this is part of answering a question for the man asking about healing. I don't believe in war. I don't believe in killing. I don't believe in destruction. The subconscious mind will say, look now, I'm not supposed to fight. The atmosphere is a part of God's pressure.

Don't take a deep breath of air. I'll be pushing and disturbing this atmosphere. Don't fight gravity. I stand on my head. I reverse it. Don't kill germs. Don't kill bacteria. The conscious mind says not to kill. So I'm part of it, aren't I? I'm part of it. I'm part of it. I'm part of it. I'm part of it. I'm part of it. I'm part of it. I'm part of it. So I say to myself, well, I mustn't fight these germs and the sickness. I tell mine, be savage. Kill them. There's plenty of germs leftover. Yes, question? The aura shows a bright light up, it's a real purple-blue light. It has some red. You must have done a lot of growing religious-wise. Question? It is like a, it's like a, this is the way the mind

does. I have a dream. When I wake up, that dream is leaving me. And I have to call it

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back. The mind comes and knocks on that door to say, I have something for you. If you're grown enough that you can see an outlet for it, a use for it, well then it keeps coming. If you don't have an outlet, people to use it for, or know how to call it, well thanks, come on, give me more, you don't encourage it, well the conscious mind doesn't need this that much, or it isn't that necessary in the environment. The survivor isn't necessary, ready to take up all this responsibility, so we'll come back again and try again.

This is normal. Next question. What is brown in the aura? I don't work with brown, I just work with these, the records that I have are almost identical to the Cayce records. The higher violet, blue, indigo, purple are spiritual colors. These are the colors you look at. Your aura up in here in your psychic mind has blue with a little flick of red, like sometimes I know and sometimes I don't know if I know.

These are the colors that I see when I look up there. Along with your physical activity, I don't know if you're retired, but there's a shadow across the work mind, about the work mind. It has the engineer's ability, I don't know if you're an engineer, but you should have been in that kind of an aura. I mean these are the things that you see. The mental mind is real bright, you haven't lost your marbles at all. It's real bright. See what I mean?

So brown, I don't work with it. I work with red for trouble. Green is grass, green is growth. It's easy, I can tell you how I remember these colors in the aura. If you think of red, think of red has two sides. Here's a bull that will hook you, and I was talking to a lady back here before I came in, she gave me a place to park my car in here,

which I appreciate very much. I have a cap with many things in it. So the bull would say, I want to hook you. And I'm petting it, it's a pet. And I could see it thinking so slow, so I'm watching for it. Then it goes, I laugh. I just want to prove I'm superior.

Well red is anger, but also red is energy. Red is war and destruction, but red is vitality. Red is sex, and yet it's shoes, it's milk, it's meat. So it's both constructive and destructive. Violet, blue, indigo, these are spiritual colors, and white. So then you move into green, everything growing is green, it's grass, it's a healing.

Nurses will show green, things like this. An iridescent light will show in the eye if a person has developed the best, far ahead of what the environment has furnished them. In other words, if a man is up here quoting, the book says this, the book says this, the book says this, you can prove anything by the book, actually. You're dead, you're dead.

It's in the book also. But basically, it's in there, but basically when a person develops his abilities in himself. Your lower back shows a slight tension down in here. Basically, see I identified me, your whole body is an instrument to work. See, what they do in healing work, you identify, let me feel the pain in me to analyze.

This is in the book that he says they're for. So you make an identity with a person, but only for the purpose of analyzing, a friend of mine, for a day and a half, his leg hurt when he concentrated in front of his broken leg. I said, but you're not supposed to carry it with you. You just ask about and then you shut it off. In other words, you ask, oh, I accept pain,

or I accept an itch, or I accept a bite. Every one of these things are more fun. If the person is crying, the tears are back here, I'm helpless, I'm partly helpless, I have troubles in front of me, or I have emotional problems, crazy bones, emotional problems, temper problems, sex problems, love problems.

I mean, it's all, it's really fun. But next question. Basically, yes, right here. Yes, he won the book. It was good. I hope you read it. Yes, if you go down, I happen to be just an ancient room, Richard Marino.

You go down there and they all wear the dark, dull clothes. I'm a foreigner when I walk into a place with something bright on. And these people were, they would rationalize, well, they're easy, they don't show the dirt. But that isn't true. See, men are always very clean. They're always blotting their clothes out. They always wash them and boil them all the time.

They have to be on the press station to get itches and rashes. Green is growth. Pink, orange and pink and red, these are being warmed. These are healing powers. They're also sexual powers. Usually women that are real cold and frigid and hate men don't wear pink or red. According to the records, whenever there's a war coming on, almost all the population, females, start wearing red.

This shows up when the countries are going to have it. They all start wearing red. These are records that show up. So these colors that we have, there are various phases of our consciousness. Yes, we wear the colors that we like. I like these spiritual colors and all of that. My wife used to be a nice, quiet person. Now since she's married me, she's a Scorpio.

She can wear red and all the bright things in life. But she is bright. She's happy. Me too. She had to train herself to be this way. I have somebody raise their hand. Yes, sir. I'm trying to have the idea that an older person was told to leave the body.

I don't believe I'm experienced to answer about that. There is a question. In reading about a woman that's watching ours, years back, or 1990-something, she went to get on an elevator and nobody had an aura. And she hesitated. Well, did I make up your mind? So she didn't get on. The elevator crashed and everybody was killed.

She didn't get on it. Now why didn't she see an aura in any of them? Had the soul left? They all apparently were in their bodies alive. I don't know. But some people do agree that a part of it will move out. But I was involved. I have a strange life.

I've been involved everywhere all over the world. No one dies where I am. People are always happy to get on a ship with me. No one ever dies where I am. Nothing ever happens. Always the same thing. There were freeways. Well, why shouldn't it?

My mind has a picture. I want to live. I want to be a good instrument. The priests are raging. I've never been tied up in a freeway. I want to be a good instrument. The priests are raging. I've never been tied up in a freeway.

I want to be a good instrument. The priests are raging. I've never been tied up in a freeway. I've never been tied up in a freeway. I've drive them everywhere before they ever had them. Always I've seen them spin, crash. I could talk for half an hour on their things I watched. A boat just threw a brand new fire.

And then when I came down the front, I had a nice camper like me and he'd gone through the windshield. And there I was cussing out because the boat went through a puncture-proof tire and then I came down to see where I would have been if I hadn't had that bolt. All arranged. Well, thanks. I sure appreciate it. So the soul tries its best to arrange things, but it does things like this.

So basically, uh, many times, as far as human beings are concerned, you know, we try to see the world, the effects. Yeah. far as I know, the soul has a preview on this. And I don't know enough about to answer that question, honestly. I was on this death of a person. She was 92 years old, coming in in 93. The woman is the best therapist that I know of, has a big home up in La Plata. And she said, should I have my mother come out? Your mother has cancer. Did I concentrate on that? I said, yes. So her mother helped set up the table to feed me. And then she

came down sick. And I said, I had the crisis coming up in three weeks. And I was living at 2500 in Glendale Boulevard. This is off in Hollywood, up in the canyon there. So I called up and asked how Annie was. I said, well, she's better. She's sitting up in bed. I said, this is the time I had the crisis. Well, she says, well, I'll call Liz. She calls his wife. She goes in, and they push me off the phone. They call the doctor. I said, how long will you live? She says, probably eight hours if I get oxygen. So anyway, the doctor came in. He didn't have any oxygen. By the time they came in with the door of the oxygen, I said, I never felt, I think

they call it filibrated or something. My heart would make the funniest feelings in me that I have had. Now, this was an identity. And this was a kind of an astral projection. I was there. Now, this house had a basement for your car, a first floor and a second floor, then a roof to keep the heat from coming down. I was inside the roof. Up here was three other people looking down. And she was laying down. And there was no obstructions. And I could see down through it, see her. There were three other people that were there, three of them. And she's all in white. And it looked to me like they'd just moved the bed after they told me they had. They moved

the bed because one arm, she was thin, was so bad, they were going to give her the shot in the other arm to see if it could stimulate her. So I was looking out there. So later we checked out. One was a husband. One was a brother. And as far as I could figure, this is contrary to everything that I believed in. I thought you sat around the family circle waiting for the people to get out. And here we are up here. One is a guy. Now, this is not my belief that a guy's going to come from the spirit world. But there was a guy here. It was no one that they knew or recognized. Their daughter didn't recognize, or their brother. And I told them, she said, what should I tell my brother? I said, tell him he doesn't

need to hurry. So I told her that three times. So he went down to the airport, and he sat there and let one plane go and took the next plane. That's the one that crashed up and killed all the people a few years back. So we asked her, I said, how come there wasn't that plane on that plane? She said, I guess it wasn't your time. So he drove back to the airport, and drove in front of a truck, and crumbled his car into pieces, and come within a quarter of an inch of killing him, cracked his skull. I said, why don't you tell him she doesn't need him anymore? He's still living. He's taken care of him for years. He's going to go right on in the spirit world. Over and over and over, a man dies. And when he dies,

we get all our food. And what I told you about, a woman working for a man, she takes care of him in every way. He's so lonely, and who else will ever put up with him? They'll follow him right away. Most women don't follow his steps. I mean, why should he stay all the time? Where are you going to find a wife like I've had, that would put up with all of my problems, and so on? So they will leave. And they call that, will themselves to death. In Korea, they used to say, nobody but a South Sea native can will themselves to death. They had young G.I.s over there. Ask anybody that's been over there, a prisoner. And they said, they said, well, I've quit. I've had it. And anywhere from 20 minutes to 10 days, they

were dead. You don't have to be somebody where all of them have the same sign of suffering and torture. And yet they, once they quit. So it's a good thing. It's a feeding of yourself that I want to live. This is a part of the human one. And just giving them the energy is fine. But unfortunately, it doesn't change the reason why they're sick or get them to go on. Besides, I'm very fussy about seeing if they have an infection that by this medical, and not always is it, how many people can take an abscessed tooth and get it well. I had a healing done by an operation done. My mother was a cancer. So I had a lump

in my arm. I went to bed. A surgeon in the Philippines had him take it out. There was no question it stuck out like a tick. Now I've got another one here. If it gets too bad, I'll go back to the Philippines again. It's a psychiatrist not far from here. And I told him, you have a couple of bad teeth in here. And he went down and had him taken out by Dr. Loner. And the dentist said, I could have saved him. He had a lump on his neck as big as your fist. And this one is not too far from here. So it was a cancer. Well, the doctors can't take cancer out of your lungs and do very well. So he went over to the same man that I went over and had him

take it out. And that's over nine years ago. And he's doing fine, except he considers it a cancer. So I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. One guy, a friend of mine, who died from cancer, he died from cancer, except he considers it unfortunate he lost his two teeth, but he never has put together, where did the infection drain into this? And I don't like to lose him as a friend, because he's a nice man, sends his patients to him every so while. But I mean, after all, where did you think these drained from? In

the inheritance. You tell yourself, well, quit being loyal to the mother. Be loyal to me so the mother do the best it can. Next question. I didn't mean to tie you all up in here. It's right here. Yes? Yes, please. We've see Fred many references to the light of the cross. Yes, I do. Yes, we have. Yes, it's right here. Sometimes they say it is golden and other times they're quite right.

I want to explain from my experience. The man that did this book that no one found interesting enough for his expense, it was $7. When I was doing a reading for this year of violence, the man that did this, he had gold in his aura. I have not seen gold in anyone's aura unless they're going to do something important in life when you see this gold. I used to say, I wish I had some gold in my aura. It took years before I grew it off so I had some gold. Years before I grew it off. Usually when you see gold, I've never heard of a person with gold dying young, not up to now. When you see gold in a person's aura, there's something in their soul that's going to do something. They have important work ahead of them. I can't make it come in a person's aura. When I see gold or when there are people in my class, oh yes, the people I'd ask, my next class would probably be, I charge $10 a lesson.

No one has to pay in advance. My next class would probably be the last of October, September or the first of October in Gardena. I let them pay each lesson so that no one has to come down and sit bored, so I have a high success rate. Always you make everybody pay, then you've got their money whether they come or not. I don't want to do that. I'd rather have them pay lesson by lesson. If they don't come, I'll start out with $40 for their honor class and drop to $17. The first two lessons are on feeling. You identify with the body. You identify with the body. You identify with the body. The second lesson, I have them see auras. The third lesson or the fourth lesson to read animals. The fifth lesson is to talk to people in a den or somebody absent.

To crowd that into 10 auras is a lot of fast-powered work. Basically, the people that when you see gold, they have an important work to do. I've been in the temples over in Ceylon and I would show the fellow, you have this color and you have this color. Here would be their saints with the colors and the auras around them. I'd tell them what colors that they had. Well, they looked at me and they were very nice to me. I'd tell them what they had. The last one, man, he didn't drink, he didn't smoke, he didn't eat meat, he didn't have any woman.

He thought he had a great aura, but he had shut himself down. It's like saying, I want to be like the woman with the hysterectomy. I don't ever want a man. I want to be sick so I don't have such desires and such needs. Make my body sick so I won't have such things. Happens constantly. Don't ever do that. Which means I mustn't function, make me sick. Quite constantly.

The Destiny Mind brings it about. I don't know how long I can run. What's the schedule here? I run till 11 unless people want to go home. I'm glad to work longer, but it's up to you, girl. Let me ask you this one question from this gentleman in the back. Our Dream Mind many times comes in with a vision to inform us. We have a feeling.

Most of the time these feelings are correct, but not always. Many times people... All right, my wife's mother, for instance, she was a very wonderful psychic in a way. She'd say, you're going to fall off and get stuck in the sand. She'd come out in 1910 to Bali when it was sand and dirt roads and board roads and so on. So she always prophesied disaster. My father always prophesied disaster, disaster, disaster, see? They're absolutely sure these things are going to happen.

They didn't. I said, well, if you fall off the road and get stuck in the sand, you get out. And if you're lost, you don't know where you're going. If you go far enough, you come out someplace. So there's always a question whether we actually are seeing into the future. It's my mind. You sit down and you step up into the air like in a helicopter and look over the horizon. And you mentally stand up.

Rise up now. Now, I'm earthbound. I have this in my book, How to See the Future. So those people, you'll find it. You work with symbols. Your mind works with symbols. I look at the Salton Sea as a depression. And I look at the Chocolate Mountains.

I used to be quite a fudgie. As I said, I just ate some yesterday. As richness, see? And in fact, there was one other man that I just mentioned, this psychiatrist I just mentioned. He had me do a reading. And I saw the, out near the Fountain of Youth, the hot springs. And I said, you're in hot water. And he'd made a big investment.

It was a crooked investment, but legal according to the law. And he darn well went to jail all the time, investing in some property. And it was one of these swindle deals of buying property, you know, that there's nothing there. And so he said, I sure am. I just got a lot of work. So basically, sometimes these things are completely legitimate. If you ask your mind, look over the horizon in the future. Bring me back the right decision, the right direction.

Then it has a right to do this. But very few people ask their mind, look over the horizon in the future. Get up in a helicopter and look over the horizon. Any man in a helicopter, he's prophesizing the future. He said, the road is blocked ahead of you. Get off the road. You're out there. Yet he's prophesizing your future.

And a lot of our soul sees into the future all the time, precognition or in a feeling that there's a disaster coming. I started work out of Buffalo, Wyoming in 1932. I was up there wrestling. We started for Seattle. And a woman says, you shouldn't go. You shouldn't go. There wasn't a reason in the world. It was the 18th of October.

The moon was shining. It was clear. I couldn't climb the hill. I didn't have any change. You come back to town. I didn't have any money. And the kid gave me 50 cents so I could get a room. And he said, you know what?

I didn't go home because I didn't have 50 cents to my name. A blizzard came in. They said the hunters all froze up. 50 of them froze. What told her that we shouldn't go? Nothing. I got angry. There's no reason in the world.

Nice, moonlight night, freshly cleared. Here comes a howling blizzard in Buffalo, Wyoming. What do you call that? Psychic premonition. You shouldn't go. Not a reason in the world. God, subconscious mind. We know it functions.

But how can we say what it is? But thanks for functioning. That's the way to handle it. Well, thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you very much, Fred. Our next meeting will be on the fourth Saturday of September. We appreciate your coming here.

We meet regularly with few exceptions on the fourth Saturday of each month except during August and December. So after some 12 years of contact, I've come to the realization I'm not really looking for hundreds of thousands of people. It doesn't take very much arithmetic to look in the book and say, well, there's 144,000 people we're looking for. And if you use the equation of 5 billion, we're looking for one out of 32,000.

So it's not very likely that there's going to be hundreds of thousands of people swamped in to try to take advantage of all these things. First of all, it involves a certain amount of, as I said, health and sanitation, something to do with changing one's thinking, has something to do with changing one's outlook, and thinking, now, what would we do or what could we do if all of this was made available to us? Would we run and go screaming?

Or could we begin to use more advanced medical practices? Or could we use more advanced ideas and concern with any subject, for that matter? If you look at some of the things that were brought out in the Trait of the Gods picture, they're talking in terms of surgical operations and dental operations that we think we're sophisticated in having today that we're finding evidence of this before.

Not to mention many of the other finds. And the interesting thing about it, from my point of view, is that as time continues, more of the things that I have been told about have been found out to be so. My original premise was, after being instructed and being contacted, I more or less owed it to these individuals

to extend that knowledge onto other individuals myself. Even if they didn't believe it, it didn't matter. Try it and see if it worked. And that was one of the reasons that everything clicked for me. I had techniques that really worked. I didn't invent them, and I certainly didn't discover them. I simply repeated them. So, you might say that

after seeing a UFO whiz overhead or reading a book about UFOs whizzing overhead, what's the next step? The next step has to do with yourself. Starting to do something within yourself. As far as time machines, they could both be organic or mechanical. We've heard stories coming out of Tibet and India

talking about certain yogi or holy men capable of doing all sorts of things, levitation, all kinds of things. This might be referred to as an organic method, but all I'm saying now is that those same things are possible mechanically. Just as you cannot fly,

you can get on an airplane and fly, and you certainly couldn't run as fast a car. But there are some steps that we can take by reason of machines. But the problem, with any such machine, is the nut behind the wheel. And if we're going to be such nuts

that we cannot take advantage of what's being put in front of us, it seems like we've had it in our lives since 47, we've had these vehicles flying over repeatedly. I mean, that's what you're here to, at this place to hear about. How many times they have flown over,

how many times they have landed, how many times individuals have been contacted and given information. And aside from the humor of it, aside from the way it's turned out, I'm sure, in the family life and the individual lives of those people, information has been passed along.

But relative to all this, the question is still there. What is your plan? Are you waiting for one more contactee? Are you waiting for, the percentage of believers to go from 57% to 75%? Is that when you're going to start doing something?

Or are you going to start doing something about your health, 10 years from now, or 20 years from now, or 100 years from now? Could you possibly store food and water in a cellar for 100 years to any major physical advantage?

You want to know? If you're going to sit down in your cellar and wait 100 years, do you think you could come up and find things in a better situation? A year ago, or two years ago, I'm not really too sure

how long it's been since I was here, but I came here and we had a standing room only situation. And I surprised several people by not bringing any books. I've written about 15. I could, you know, spread them out on the table.

I didn't bring any books. And people said, well, you know, what's the matter here? And I said I didn't forget them. But I was going to try something different. I wasn't going to try to sell something. I don't make my living this way.

I make my living another way. So I'm doing this because I believe in, not because I really have to. That particular time, I got people to fill out 3x5 cards and sat down with each and every one of those people that filled out a 3x5 card and tried to have

kind of a heart-to-heart talk. What was going on? Well, the end result of it was we moved, went and moved down to Orange County. And after re-moving ourselves to another area, changing our jobs, location, the whole bit,

we then found, much to our surprise, that it was too great a distance for the people who were very interested, but they couldn't travel 10, 15, 20 miles, whatever it was. And so what we've done now is to move back to this area.

And try to find out what can be done and how many miles that people will go. Even to the extent of going to their own front door when we arrive there. The question is not really

whether more advanced people have been on this planet in the past or whether there are more advanced people flying overhead in the present. The big question lies in the future. And presumably our mutual future. Are we going to do something with these advantages

that are being offered to us? Or are we going to sit on a park bench and somehow expect all these things to be accomplished by some osmosis or whatever? Let George do it. The problem is there. I have tried to develop

various aspects of the work. I've been very involved with chemicals. I turned my home into a laboratory. $15,000 worth of chemical research out of my own pocket. And the only real thing I can say that was accomplished was I really put the indel on the map.

Got it in the dictionary. I received recognition all the way to Czechoslovakia on that subject. But even people that knew me real well had no idea that I'd converted my home to a laboratory, much less the landlady. She would have flipped her lid.

In fact, I was in Mexico, and Carol, we kept in radio contact daily. Some of you don't know me too well, don't realize it, but I'd set up one of the first all-world radio networks. And this was to report UFO sightings

so that a person could see one in one country, could call another person in another country, and would coordinate all of this. And so that network still was in existence. But several years ago, when I was down in the jungles of Yucatan, I would call her on her coffee break. I was in the jungle,

she was on her coffee break, 10 o'clock in the morning. And one of the problems that came across internationally here was, I hope I don't embarrass her too much here, but some of the chemicals that had a tendency to explode, I labeled bang bang.

And some of them that were even more than that would boom on them. She radioed me to the effect that there was a strange sizzling sound coming out of one of the bang bang chemicals. And she couldn't get anybody to come and remove it from the premises. And of course I didn't know just what it was

that was going on either. So this kind of thing was one of the side funny issues. And there was also many other funny stories that go along with it, wherein there was a funny story connected with what I call funny milk. And she watched me spend a whole afternoon

weighing samples of milk, thinking perhaps something was unusual about the milk, and the end result was just funny darned milk, nothing unusual at all. But some of these stories, by taking the time, taking the detailed examination, it's really resulted in something.

At least keeping my feet on the ground knowing where I'm at. But where it's at with us, this evening, is what I can give you, for what I can answer, for what I can share with you. I've had those experiences.

I've actually been contacted. I've gone and been on other vehicles, UFO types, that you call probably flying saucers. I've been carted from here to another planet. In fact, the most sorry thing I ever got involved with was the second flight.

After going there once and coming back with rather far-out tails, I then went back after Zemquat had developed the entire program on his planet some four years. And on this particular occasion, it was a result of going out to Giant Rock. One of the friends of mine out there in Giant Rock said,

why don't you speak again on flying saucers? I said, well, you know, like I've already given that lecture. I've told you how I was contacted. And Zemquat came to my home repeatedly and gave me this information. It became scientific knowledge and so forth.

And I said, I've given that story. There's no point in giving it again. And so I was induced to write out a formal request for transportation to Celo again for reasons, and I stated the various reasons. So my second flight,

I had to pay very dearly for. The first one had to do with chemical reasons. The second one had to do with radio contact between here and that particular planet. And for years I was under the impression that no one else knew about this particular thing, even though I advertised it and put it out in books, talked about it on television and so forth.

But very recently, picking up a magazine on the magazine stand, I noticed that for the same year, approximately the same time, that the organization sponsored by the government did in fact pick up signals. They had put together a set of equipment almost like the thing I had put together,

and they had labored over this entire effort some two minutes before they were in communication with individuals on another planet. Two minutes of effort. Can you imagine? And they gave it up after the two minutes. Got too much for them, I imagine. But the second trip for me

involved an awful lot of electrical stuff and resulted in a three-day adventure on their planet. And after collecting, imagine I spent three days collecting data that I could bring back here and have analyzed that I had gone someplace. I brought it back

and one of the major television stations did a fantastic job for me. They put it out in a 30-minute color presentation, coast to coast, this interview of the return and the objects. They paid for the whole thing. They paid for all of the analysis of the soil samples,

metal samples, the whole thing, analysis of the whole business through a rather acceptable firm here on the West Coast. And as a result of all that, would you believe nothing but anguish,

frustration, feelings that I wished I hadn't gone to such lengths? So I would prefer to think of it as a tongue-in-cheek situation rather than get hot under the collar with somebody who says, I don't believe.

The thing that's necessary for me to understand is that no matter how much data, whether they have found 100 civilizations or 100 saucers locked up in the Pentagon, if they choose to say they don't believe, that's it. And that's your right, that's your privilege,

to believe or disbelieve. And I don't believe it would be fair for me to try to shove it down your throats. So for what it's worth, I have had all those experiences, been contacted physically, was not in a dream, brought back hardware,

information, instructions, the whole thing. So instead of trying to tell you what you must do with it, let me turn it the other way around and ask you what should be done with it. And I'll leave it at that. What should be done with all this information?

At present time, most of it that I've been given is in pigeon holes, waiting until some future time that it can be used, some future time somebody would be interested. I'll close it at that and leave it to you

because I can't answer a question that's not asked and I have no way of knowing what your interests are or where they lie. We have two or three group leaders in the room. If you'd like to leave your name and address on a card, then it'd be possible to get to you

and find out what your interests are and we can deal with you on an individual basis or whatever way that you feel would be best suited. But after Mr. Goldbrecht makes his little announcement, then I'll be receptive to whatever your wishes are. But I'll leave it to you.

Put the question, throw the ball back to you. What do you want to do about it? I'm going to take a five-minute and head to Bradley County and get the experience. Some flying saucer? Oh, would you like to give us a little resume

of your experience? I'll try. As simple as possible. I was at the Edwards Drive-in Theater in Arcadia and I was watching a movie, I didn't particularly care for it, so I was watching the mountains from the rear and to the east of me

was a microphone in front of all these people. What I believe I saw was a Venusian scoutship, for the simple reason that I have a picture of it in a book called Flying Saucers of Atlanta by George Adamski. The reason why I believe it to be this is because it was coming from the east and going to the west, dome-shaped, rotating searchlight. It's about 12 o'clock at night.

This alone is not the only experience I've had in that sense. I believe I've seen two of the people that came from it, but not exactly from the same saucer, though. The people I believe I saw were in L.A. at the time. By his description in his books, he describes them as being long-haired and blonde. The person I was passing by was about, he was standing out on 6th Street with his hands behind him, and he couldn't speak English. Nobody knew where he came from.

A peculiar type of person. The person seemed an average human being. I'd say about 6 feet tall, fair-haired. But as far as the second person, I was walking down on 7th Street near my dad's shoe store, which is good, Barnett's Shoe Company, which he's out of business now. He's gone into another business. He was walking down near Olive, I think, 6th and Olive.

And this, also this individual, he had long blonde hair. He's, I'd make his age out at about possibly 65 to 70 years old. He was crossing the street. I sensed who he was, but I wasn't quite sure, so I watched him and concentrated on him. And he seemed to sense that somebody was watching him because he turned around and glanced from side to side of the street and was wondering, seemed to think that somebody was watching him

because then he turned around and looked at me. He looked at me. He looked very surprised and kept on walking across the street. So if he was or if he was not, I can't say. But it does make one think. I have done quite a bit of research on this particular subject, collecting information from newspapers, taking the registered newspaper, which they run, Continuing UFO.

I've talked to a great number of people. My conclusion is they exist. Such a variety. A variety of different types of spacecraft that's been reported. Cigar, oval. Where do you begin? What about the method of propulsion? Do you deal with plasma physics?

Electromagnetic force fields? Using atomic energy? My conclusion is it exists. So that's it. I have some slips of paper if you'd like to, what you'd, any information that you'd like to pass on and we'll have some discussion on it. Would you, anyone would like to have?

With interest and time in mind, I'm going to go ahead. Since I have half a dozen cards with me right now, the idea is to put your name and address on one of these three by five cards and then pass them up here. And then I can rather get your name for the permanent file that I send out to people whenever I speak in a given area. But also, a question I can answer.

As you entered another ionosphere, I think that's the word, left our atmosphere, what happened physically to your body, to your body? To your blood pressure, et cetera. First of all, I'm not entirely sure that I'm capable. I'm not a medical doctor. And I could not tell you concerning my blood pressure at the moment or my blood pressure when I was speaking to you before,

much less my blood pressure six years ago or my blood pressure eight years ago. I physically, I physically, got into a vehicle and from my point of view, I was enticed or intrigued by looking at the various materials and the objects in the machine until such time that I got out of the machine. And I did not at any time have the feeling that we went anyplace. There was no sense of motion whatsoever.

And as to sensing or smelling or seeing or feeling an ionosphere, I remained. I stayed in the vehicle during the entire flight, just like going from one place to another in an airplane. Generally, you stay in the airplane. And I stayed in the UFO from this planet to the planet I was going in. So I really don't know what to do with that question. Is there a clarification on that?

Who asked me this? I don't know how to even handle this. The explanation of the millions of birds, and of, I don't get that question. last word? P-R-A-V-V. Could be possible an intergroup would be... Who asked this question concerning the millions of birds? Do you have any explanation of the migration of birds at the church? The second part of it, could be possible that an intergroup could be started to have had

a type experience. We need a typist, I can say that for sure. Therefore, are ready to hear and expand in awareness. Let me read these, please. Indole, I-N-D-O-L-E, is a catalyst, for lack of a better word, that links your spirituality to your physical being. And there are eight indole poisons which tend to destroy the... Function of the indole. They're in three groups. The destroyers, pork, spinach, and chocolate. The obstructors, refined sugar, bleach, and the... Most of you know these. And the confusers are tobacco, coffee, and what, gang? Alcohol. Eight foods. Well, those are the eight indole poisons. Yes, ma'am. The first three are chocolate, pork, and spinach.

What are the eight indole foods? We agree people are not ready to hear. No way of answering that. That's a question that can raise their hand right now and say it. Yes, ma'am. No, it would not deviate very much from what your family doctor would say, or what a good dietician would say. But the problem is that we neither follow our doctor's advice, nor our dietician's advice, or even the advice that's recommended in the local health food store. So the only contradictory thing would be to say that these eight items that I've just mentioned are really hazardous to one's health, instead of just being a side issue. I'm not suggesting the flavor is bad in these eight items. I'm saying that they are definitely deterrents to

your spirituality. Yes, opposed to coal tar base. So we're talking about organics. In fact, the word indolics has pretty much the same idea as organics. That which is alive or has been alive has life force in it. I'm not a doctor, so I can't speak with authority, and I have to be careful with the type of question. I'm not an attorney either. Yes, sir. Tobacco, whether it's cigars or cigarettes. Do you know why a flight of fire? Oh, yeah, I remember. This question has to do with the Bermuda Triangle, singular. As I mentioned during the lecture I was giving you, there's been many things that I have reported in print years back. At the time I said these things, they were not generally

known. I have spoken about six collection points, not one, six collection points, the Bermuda Triangle being one of those points. Since that time, the Lloyds of London in their investigations have come up with a list of the six collection points. Okay. They came up with specifically 12 points, six that are on land and six that are in the ocean, that are points where people tend to disappear from. The only reason that they came up with that particular bit of information was they used a computer. I wasn't using a computer. I just simply asked a question relative to the Bermuda Triangle, and I was simply

told that there are a total of six collection points. Is this your question? Yes. Okay. I've answered your question, collection points. Who's responsible? There's a group of individuals that have peculiar names. Some people call them men in black, MIBs. Others call them by different names, but they're not really out to our best good. If I have to give a name who's responsible, that would be the group. I didn't say that. I repeated the answer twice. We are supposed to be six collection

points. Yes. Okay. Hello, I'm

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a maximum size reading. Music is a being-being-being-being. It's-it's a being-being-being-being. Oh. I have small- Small one. Yeah. smaller one and bigger one. that. We should

have been very further along compared with where we are right now because these individuals have come here to try to assist in whatever way they can and we have shot at them and we have yelled at them and we have laughed at them and what I

was talking about when I first was contacted was interplanetary culture exchange and that probably seems to be the furthest thing from anyone's mind when they talk about flying saucers. They want to talk in terms of did you shoot it down or did it sink

or did it blow up or some kind of violence whereas I think what we're trying to do is we're trying to help each other get to a position where we can understand ourselves, understand one another and prepare ourselves so that we can cooperate in our

own adventure in meeting with these aliens who are really not that alien and extend this knowledge into bettering our lives bettering our civilization bettering our communities

so it's really talking about a plus a positive end of it not talking about a negative end of it and we are right now in perhaps the most exciting drama that's ever going to happen imagine if you were picking up a book and the book told you that

200 years from now will be the new age and that will be the most exciting time. That's not what we're reading. We're talking about it right here right now being the most exciting time of your lives to be in on this just as the adventure is unfolding

and the government obviously is getting more and more evidence to the contrary that these in fact are physical devices here. The percentage is 57% of the people believe in them. I think 11% have seen them

and we don't have any idea what percentage have actually been aboard because many times I've been at these things and people come up afterwards and ask well what do you suggest I do I have seen a UFO or I've been on a UFO

and my question back to the other individual is are you independently wealthy or do you have your own business and if they're independently wealthy retired or else have your own business well fine go ahead and talk about what you've seen but if you work for somebody else

if you work for a part of the government or if you work for the board of education or you work for any kind of a situation where it's going to reflect back on your job I'd suggest you just keep it under your own hat do you believe that you are being led by

God in your research and teachings? Yes I do. It's not just a vague belief because this is something that is being taught this is the reason that I took the time to begin with this evening to try to get it across

that I am not where I am because I happened to look up in the air one day it had to do with years of training spiritually and when I went into the Orient I did not go there on a joyride or as a person to snap pictures

I went there to intern myself in a monastery I lived as a monk, hair shaved off itchy road, that whole business for a period of time to develop myself when I came out of there I had a very unusual ability to develop myself

to heal which I do not attribute to any kind of a mechanical thing at all and I traveled around here in Southern California and the results that were forthcoming could only be referred to this as the creator I refer to him as the boss but I don't mean it as a sacrilegious comment at all

but that's the whole point this is our common creator what is the magazine for the radio magazine for the radio? the only magazine that I know of that talked about this particular radio had to do with Gabriel Green and he did a periodical

on the contact with that and there was another fellow back east that built a similar device and also said that he had the same types of results but we're not talking about any kind of special radio we're just talking about uh... radio contact listening let me have some questions off the floor here are these things really dead?

yes ma'am this is what I have said yes you ask me why? because the because the planets were in conjunction I'm not speaking about astrology now but there are I believe there were five planets in conjunction at that time and this does not occur again until twenty five thousand years later and this was not only uh...

a point of reference from our common knowledge but bear in mind I have been contacted and the peculiar nature of this contact is to be told where to go and what to look for when I go to look for it so consequently I've been given quite a bit of credit

for having discovered things when in actual fact all I'm doing is carrying out a very routine type of mission for example in Europe I went over to the swiss island the formas alps and there I did fine certain things but I never discovered them. I was sent there and in many other instances I've been sent to do things and from my point of view I'm like a glorified messenger boy but somebody has to get to blame or credit

and so that's why when I have an opportunity I try to point out that uh... I have been the custodian of various things at various times and so I was the custodian of knowledge in this case which I am extending on to you because I own things in particular and the opportunity I have left behind as a utopian ruler is my wilderness it was not for me personally. And that is the point in time referred to as the New Age, to coincide with the knowledge.

Yeah, other questions? Yes, ma'am. Did I talk? The first 15 or 20 years of this whole thing was, strictly speaking, spiritual development. No, it was quite the other way around. You see, spiritual development takes on the presumption that there is a creator.

And so I was studying the spiritual development line along with them. And they, 1962, 61 I think it was, is the light in 61 or 2? 61, okay. April 25, 1961, was the first time that I realized who and what I was dealing with. Up until that time, I thought that I was going into trance

and contacting beings on the inner spiritual plane, meaning. On a step and file up towards the creator. And at that particular time, I was told that, yes, this is true, but many of these individuals were in physical bodies. And so I was then introduced to the teacher I had been working with for many years, Faj. But I was introduced in the sense that I was told who he really was.

I thought of him as a super-duper teacher. But then I found out he was a sector commander, and later on I found out the word sector, which here referred to galaxy. So, he's the galactic commander of this particular galaxy we're in right now. In that same period of time, he introduced me to the gentleman who is in charge of him, a fellow named Bryzgiv, BRSGV.

And I was pretty awestruck at that point as well, because this was directly above him. And they asked me if I was ready for the Great Light, or words to that effect. And I didn't mean it as, any slam or slander or anything of that sort but my thinking was why not from a metaphysical point of view that sounds like a good deal and so i said yes but bear in mind there was just a few seconds between each of these comments and so i said yes not really knowing what i was letting

myself hit for and so the next thing that happened to me was i felt a total bombard in fact i thought i lost my sanity if you really want to know it scared the heck out of me and i felt that the creator wanted me to do this one thing to go to the orient and search for these two groups that had accomplished some things and had failed miserably in other areas and that i would never be contacted again in my normal life if i did not complete this and i didn't have to go and do it but i would never be contacted again and so i came out of that experience rather shrimpy shaken, believing, understand there's no weighing on scales or measuring our photographs, believing

that I had been contacted by the Creator. But there was no organized church standing there saying, you have been, you know, which particular planet are you referring to? I can't answer the question for all planets. The individuals that I have contacted, I can answer some of the questions, but only a very limited amount of that knowledge. I am very much a student and not a teacher situation. So they did not say that they were representing Satan or anything of that nature.

They were representing the common Creator. And from their point of view, what would be sane and sensible would also be serving our common Creator. And the reverse of that, serving our common Creator. They do not recognize anything. Other than the good side. The other is just not doing good. I'm trying to stay out of the religious camp here.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. In fact, the first individual that showed up in my house, let me finish answering here. The first fellow that showed up at my house, Zemclop, he knocked on the door. I opened the door and he opened the screen and came right into my front room. And I didn't take him to be anybody from another planet, I took him to be a wise guy that was looking for one of the stars. I didn't take him to be anybody from another planet. I took him to be a wise guy that was looking for one of the stars. And I didn't take him to be anybody from another planet.

And I didn't take him to be anybody from another planet. And I didn't take him to be anybody from another planet. And I stopped in there to ask me where Desilu Studio is, or RKO, one of those studios, eh? And he turned around and announced to me he was Zemclop. Well, Zemclop squirts. You know, I didn't know who Zemclop was. And it was only after he repeated himself quite a few times that I got it into my head that he was trying to get it across to me that he was an extraterrestrial. But I didn't believe him one minute.

It was only after we went outside. And he motioned to the craft. And it lowered itself a bit where I could see it that I paid any attention to what he had to say. No, they were superior enough that they can write a letter, purchase a stamp and mail it, or use a telephone, or walk up to your door and knock on it in a very conventional manner. The 99% of my experience was a pin of that nature. But the unfortunate thing about it is that very few people want to hear about a telephone call, or a letter, or a knock on a door. They want to hear only about UFOs that are very large, going very fast, and very difficult to believe. And so, all total, in all these years, I've only had six of those experiences, two of which took me any place of any consequence.

One left me a long ways from my car, and the others I just walked through and back out. It was just simply a meeting place. The rest of the time, and we're talking about many years, have been conventional phone calls, meeting and having a cup of coffee, and talking things over. It's been that type of thing, and a lot of legwork on my part. When they go back to their own life... The question, I'm not sure the question you're asking, but the question is asked me very often, what do they look like? Do they look like us? And my answer is no, they don't look like us at all.

They're very healthy. And I don't mean that facetiously. They look healthy. One head, two hands, you know. You know what a human being looks like. Around here you can see a lot of them, huh? But healthy, but healthy. I have not gone back to the animals of time.

But being healthy. They've advanced from accepting the glorious disease called old age, which leads to the grave, that rejected that, and accepted health and sanitation. It brings about old age and death. And many of these individuals are at ages that shock our imagination, so that would be very much contradictory to our way of thinking here. Here it's wonderful if you make it to a hundred, but that would be pathetic from their point of view. Yes, I think I could very easily say yes, they can, just like we've advanced to the point where we can race up and down the street at 60 miles an hour in our car, but we don't. They've advanced to a point where they could really frighten the heck out of us, but they don't. They've advanced to a point where they can really frighten the heck out of us, but they don't.

They've advanced to a point where they can really frighten the heck out of us, but they don't. They've advanced to a point where they do not interfere or frighten the natives. They would be able to adjust to our polluted atmosphere and probably could adjust to our polluted foods, but choose not to. Those who do come here, come here for a very limited number of minutes and are really not too pleased. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives.

People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives.

People shooting at them and at best breathing air that is shortening their lives. minutes going, approximately 30 minutes returning, and I have no idea how long I was there, but something like a half a day. During that whole time, I had a beverage, and like a fruit juice, a very thick fruit juice. The second time was three days in duration, and I did eat, and it would be comparable to the types of things we'd get here, except for one striking difference. It was very, very sparse. I constantly had the feeling like I was being gypped. I mean, you know, such small amounts. I was not hurt from it, as you understand, but they did provide the food and the sleeping and all that type of thing, but it was very, very sparse.

I'm not complaining from what I needed and what I received, but I'm trying to give you my emotional reaction. Here's the picture. I have to go kind of, I don't know what I ate, but it was very, very sparse. I'm not complaining from what I needed and what I received, but it was something that had to do with meat, and not a great deal of it. I honestly have no idea what kind of fruit I was eating. It was really not the most exciting parts of the experience. Yes, in the back. I felt that, I had the feeling that the meat that I ate was definitely processed, and I felt that it had been ground up with something like soybeans or something of that nature, so that it was not totally beef. It was a good part of it, something

else, whether it was grain or, I have no idea. And this, you're asking me to remember something that was, it's like asking you the last time you ate a Big Boy, Bob's, you know, what was the composition of a piece of potato on your plate? At the time, everything seemed very interesting to me. However, I have sort of a blockage over the whole experience. Bear in mind that since I have talked about these things, it has not been a pleasant experience. It's been anything but a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. It's been a blockage. I don't know if you've

followed that line of thought at all. I don't feel unhappy standing here talking about it, but having somebody grueling you hour after hour with a polygraph strapped on you, pretty soon you wish you're somewhere else. I passed all of those tests, incidentally. It didn't serve any purpose, but I passed the test. Oh yes, bear in mind, I have had classes all during this period of time, which I get into it in length, and I've written about 15 books on the various subjects I've talked about. But I didn't feel it would be a form of etiquette to be that commercial this evening. I was just trying to share ideas. Yes, because I don't have that photographic of memory to be able to quote

page after page the type of data you're asking. Yes, but I'm not trying to say it's the only source of it. You probably would find very good directions. It's your health. Nothing that radical. Well then, yeah, let me suggest... Just a book to you. Let us send you out a book ad, then, of the books available. I was trying to avoid being commercial here this evening. Yes, there are classes available at the present time. Thank you, because someone would kick me in the shins later for not bringing that point. I don't mean Clarence here. The other half back there. Katrina, why don't you stand up? Represent the West for a moment. This is the West.

She's the one representing our Western group here. Kathy, would you come in? This lady represents Orange County. Both these ladies have organized groups in those areas, and Carol tries to keep it all organized within itself. There are two other, Herb from the north, and Donna are not here. But we do have four groups, and the reason for it is simply dividing the area. Yes, I limit myself to four nights a week. I figure that's it. Four nights a week. I don't know if you realize it or not, but I work a full-time job, the daytime, four nights a week teaching, lecturing on the weekend. That's pretty much it. But there are classes, and we will certainly give that information. I'm not trying to be stingy with the commercial, but it seems to me when I was sitting there, you came here to hear about the experience about the UFO, something more solid than you hear at c We'll get your address, and we can send you a commercial. Yep. Solo, S-E-L-O, near the Bernard Star, which is a double star. And I honestly have no idea where it is relative to the Milky Way. I'm sorry. But it's on most star charts, the Bernard Star. It's a double star. It's a very intriguing star for that reason. Yes.

I've read about this in various books, but I've never seen anything like that. Which I have been dealing with are flesh and blood, ordinary individuals, just as you are. You and I that are born into a society that is a little bit more advanced in our way of thinking. And it's not that different, really, basically not that different, because at one time in their civilization, in their histories, they've been where we are, as we ourselves have been more advanced than we are at the present time. And some of us are capable of thinking about these people in a friendly way and preparing ourselves to such a time, which I'm sure there will be a cultural exchange. And there will have to be an avant-garde to receive that information and do something with it. Now, I'm just one of many people who have received that information, and much of what I've received, I'm not qualified to deal with. I'm not in the medical profession, yet there's a great deal of medical information coming through. I'm not in the radio end of things, but just to keep a minimum effort going, I've had to purchase thousands of dollars of radio equipment.

And set up an all-world radio network to communicate back and forth. So there are many various projects within the work. And so this was the reason we collected names last year to try to find out who in this community is qualified to handle these various things. But to take a total group like this and subject you to all of the physics problems, the chemical problems, the electrical problems, I don't think it would be fair, and I think it would be stepping outside of the limits of what I'm speaking about here tonight. Yes, ma'am. I can't answer the question because I only saw one particular community of 22 acres. And this I spent a great deal of time focusing upon.

The one planet that I have visited and the one area on that one planet was built as a new thing on their planet. You see? You see, Zemclaw was contacted the same time that I was, same year, same time. The only difference was that when he told his fellows, meaning the people on his planet, he was not laughed at. He got quite a number of recruits to help bring this thing about. And so what they did in those first few years was to go to what we call a forest area, and they made a clearing. And in that clearing, they put temporary structures. In which to house the people involved with the project.

And then they erected what we would think of as a pyramid, but not a solid pyramid like Giza, which is necessary for functions. And at that first visit, that's all I saw was the temporary buildings and this one structure that was not totally completed. When I went the last time, it was completed, and they told me that there were many similar communities, if you will, or universities, if you will. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

And I had the premature idea of purchasing 22 acres here and putting up a similar community here. But this is another one of the many things that have been pigeonholed. Because I'm only one individual, and I was so full of enthusiasm back those first years, some of the rest of them. I know Lee can remember some of those things. But I was just full of enthusiasm, and I thought, my golly, one month, two months at the most. And all this will be done. And that's 12 years later now. And I'm trying to do even less.

I'll cut back on this and cut back on that. They're all gritting and nodding back there. You need more hands. That's what we need. These ladies back here kill themselves. Years ago, they had books. They would pile books out of the car and carry the books in, and tables and tables and tables of books. And they've got it fewer and fewer and fewer.

And it's the same thing with me. We begin to say, well, you know, what are we doing this for? We're trying, I shouldn't say we, I'm trying to extend what I have available to you. That's all I'm trying to do. But I'm not going to shove it down your throat. And I'm trying to be more practical than I used to be. I'm still just as enthusiastic that I have a better idea, a more realistic idea of what one guy can do. And I can't do it alone.

I can't lecture eight nights a week. I would suggest this. You have all had the opportunity to get my address. I hope I've had the opportunity to get your address. And if it's going to go any further, let's do it on a personal basis. Sit down and, I can't say have a cup of coffee, but a cup of tea or something like that, you know, and yak it over. Or if we can talk further. But we have to get out of here by a certain amount of time.

And they have other comments to make, too. So if there's any final question, I can't wait. Okay, that's it. Lee, would you? Or Clarence, right here. Thank you very much. Let's give a big hand there. We truly appreciate your time and effort coming out.

I know that you feel, we sometimes feel the same way as he has expressed. You know, we ask for help. A few of us have to carry the load. But, you know, people will listen. And then they go out and, you know, that's it. They don't realize that there's, it takes time to type. It takes time to send notices. And it takes time on the side of your regular duties.

But, you know, if you're interested, then, you know, get behind and start doing a little pushing or pulling one or the other. And if you are interested in coming to, you know. And if you are interested in coming to a meeting that Hal wants to have in this locale, if we can get him. He's using four nights now. I don't know if he can have another night. But if there's one in this particular area and you would like to attend one of these classes or can stay in another night. Or even if it's just one other, every other week or something like that. Or even if it's just.

Any other questions? Is nights okay? Do you have a certain nightmare spot? Just the final brief. Do we all have a must-have? Do we have a smart sleep apnea? Do we have Infinitas? Do we have Dr. Coffin and our Sleepibenoms?

I do, I mean, that's kind of noticed when we buy in or when people go to the multiplied purchase. You know, we don't have that here. The most quality is the one that is, you know, I visited three times in a row. They all look the same in the past, but it's kind of a good thing that we didn't. And they all look the same to me and I'm sure they're the same again and again. But do you catch them once in a while? No.