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1973 November 3rd Home Of Howard Moffet In Sananna Elane Flag On Ancient Fraternity Of Rose Cross
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- [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
- [15:21] Main address
- [46:56] Development of the main themes
- [01:09:58] Questions and closing discussion
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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
The following is a speech by Elaine Pike at the home of Howard Moffat in Santa Ana on Saturday, November 3, 1973, subject, The Ancient Fraternity of the Rose Cross. Mrs. Pike is a teacher of meditation and metaphysics at Palomar College in San Marcos, California. She also has given classes at the Philosophical and Religious Free Library in Escondido, California and at the Narcotics Treatment Center there, a methadone clinic for heroin addicts. She is an online therapist and then a professor of arabic English at the University of California, California. She is also an advocate for cremation and body burial and is the co-founder of the
International Corp of Immigration and Civil Rights, which is an international bookstore that supports cremation for Arabs. In early 2011, Ms. Pike was a graduate student from the University of California at the University Four distinct theories about the origins of the Rosicrucian movement. Each of them has been thoroughly investigated by historians who have delved through hermetic lore and archives of ancient writings. The conclusions reached show that really it's a very hard subject to pin down. And there isn't really any, what you could call, concrete proof of the origin of the society. But all four theories are very interesting, and I'd like to go into all of them tonight.
The first one is taken from the Fama Fraternitatis. Can you hear me? I don't have a very loud voice, I know. The most important document regarding the origin of the Rosicrucian order, the Fama Fraternitatis, was written in 1610 and published in 1614, although some historians feel there may have been an earlier edition of it. It starts out reminding mankind of the goodness and mercy of God, but warning the intelligentsia of that age that man, because of his covetousness and greed, has begun to follow false prophets and to stray from the path that God laid out for mankind.
So because of this, a reformation is in order. And to bring about this reformation, God has raised up certain prophets and sages to help bring it about. In order to assist in this, a very mysterious man called Dehali-Elumen, the father of the Rosicrucian movement, Father C.R.C., born in 1378 and who died 106 years later, of German noble birth, but of poor means himself, is considered to have been the founder of the order. C.R.C. was sent to a cloister at the early age of five,
but before very many years he became thoroughly dissatisfied with the educational system there. So one of the other brethren there was going to take a holy pilgrimage to Jerusalem. So C.R.C. decided that he would join him in this pilgrimage, so he left the cloister. They got as far as Cyprus together when the holy brother became very ill and died. C.R.C. decided to continue on by himself, and he got as far as Damascus, where he fell ill, too. So he decided to tarry there a while and study with the philosophers of that city. While pursuing his studies there, he heard about a group of very high-ranking Christians,
and they were called to Jerusalem. C.R.C. found these highly illumined adepts and Kabbalists in the mysterious city of Damkar. So taking leave of his teachers in Damascus, he decided to journey to Damkar. Now he was only 16 years of age at this time, and it sort of reminds you of some of our young boys today who have dropped things to follow different gurus, and C.R.C. did this, too, at just the age of 16. He found these teachers in Damkar to be very, very highly illumined, and they welcomed him with open arms as though they had really been expecting him,
and he began his studies with them right away. He also learned the Arabic language while he was there and began to translate the sacred book M into Latin. When he returned later on to Europe, he took this book back with him. He had studied with these teachers for three years, and they told him that further teaching awaited him in the city of Fez, so he decided to go there next, giving up his plans to visit the Holy Land. When he got to Fez, he found these teachers were not as highly developed as the ones in Damkar,
but because of his training so far, he had quite a bit of discrimination, and he could choose what he really wanted to add to his own knowledge. The main thing that they did for him was to introduce him to the elemental kingdom. How many of you are familiar with this? How many of you are familiar with that kingdom and know a little bit about it? Well, it's on the door, I guess, so I'll just very briefly go into it. It's another talk, really, but it's an interesting subject. This is a parallel evolution to our own human evolution,
and there are two types of entities developing in this David path, in the elemental path. The Devas, that's spelled D-E-V-A, the angels in Christian religion, are the most highly evolved. And then on the involutionary path, you have the nature spirits, those who control the winds and the rain, water, the elements within the earth. And this is partly why it was so important that C.R.C. was introduced to this kingdom, because you'll find that all the ancient Rosicrucians were very good at alchemy, and this involves using the elements and using the elemental kingdom,
the metals within the earth, which they control. And this is the main thing that he gained from the teachers in Fez. He also, during his travels, had collected many rare plants and different treasures, which he planned to take back to the intelligentsia of Europe. After he had been in Fez for two years, he felt that he was ready to go back and present this knowledge to the wise men of Spain. And, of course, he hoped that they would really receive this with welcome arms, because here he had all this wonderful knowledge to present to them.
But such was not the case. They only greeted him with ridicule, because they were the wise men of the day, and they didn't care to admit their ignorance of any of this or to share their position with anyone else. And at this point, there's an interpolation in the Fama Fraternitatis, which is recording this story, that Paracelsus had also read the sacred book M. Although he wasn't a Rosicrucian. But from what he gained from this book, he became the foremost physician of medieval Europe.
And my husband is going to pass this book around and show you this picture in Manley Hall's book of Paracelsus performing the experiment of palingenesis, which refers to metempsychosis or reincarnation. And I want to read you what it says under the picture while he's showing it to you. To the Stoics and Pythagoreans, the term palingenesis was equivalent to metempsychosis or reincarnation. By reconstructing plants from their own ashes, the alchemists sought to prove not only that consciousness and intelligence survived the annihilation of the physical structure, but that they retained the individuality they formerly possessed and remained as organized forces.
The term palingenesis was also used to indicate the rebirth of the universe from its periodic sleep or the replenishment of the earth after a cataclysm such as the flood. The ancient philosophers, considering the planet as a living organism, attributed to it those various phases of life through which all forms seemingly pass, birth, growth, and decay. In India, the alternating periods of cosmic activity and inertia are referred to as the days and nights of Brahma. Schopenhauer used the term palingenesis to signify the survival of the world, the survival of the will, and its manifestation in new personalities. Some students of hermetic philosophy affirm that by means of palingenesis
it would be possible to resurrect the human body even at a long interval after death. Those attempting this experiment attack their problem without a proper understanding of the issues involved, for no hermetic formula should be taken literally. Palingenesis is actually the resurrection of the spiritual soul from the irrational material organism. The human body is the hermetic bottle, which is shown there in this picture, and the tree of the soul is burned by human degeneracy. By palingenesis, however, it is proved that no matter how low man may descend in bias and degradation,
the spiritual elements are not lost but can be reassembled by alchemical art and the tree of life caused to grow again within the human nature. Manley Hall has just done such a terrific book. He did a terrific job with this book, I think. I really feel, and quite a few other people do, too, that he'll be a member of the hierarchy next life if he isn't really already. Well, tired but not discouraged, Father C.R.C. decided that he couldn't interest the wise men of Spain in what he had brought back with him.
So he decided to return to Germany, his home, and go into retirement for a while. He went back and built a small house there and considered it... He did his work in private. He developed several rare instruments that would have made him famous as well as wealthy if he had wished to capitalize on them, but this wasn't part of his plan, and so he really didn't spread these about.
After five years of retirement, he decided again that he would try to interest the intelligentsia in some of the things that he had brought back. In order to do this, he decided to accept three members of the cloister, where he had received his early training, to help him. He swore them to stick to secrecy and told them that what he would dictate to them, which he wanted them to write down, they were not to reveal to anyone.
They agreed to this. So the four of them began to work very industrially at the tremendous project of writing down all the arcanum, the books, and the secret teachings of this order. And it's considered that these four really are the originators of the Rosicrucian movement, at least in this first theory. This is what is believed. They also began to write a great dictionary,
which classified many things in there for mankind. They were going to continue working on this translation of the sacred book M, but so many people began to come to them for healing that they weren't able to accomplish too much along that line. . . . They decided to accept four more members, bringing up the total of the group to eight, seven of whom were German and all of whom were unmarried.
These eight then finished the work, and it took them quite a while to get this all done, but they finally did. And then they enlarged the home of Father C.R.C., which then was called the House of the Holy Spirit, or the Sanctus Spiritus. At this time, they felt that they were ready to go out into the world and to pass some of this knowledge on,
and not only just for that purpose, but also to perfect it and to take care of any mistakes that might be in the teaching and to try it out and see how it was going to work. Before they left, they decided to write up six bylaws or rules that all of them would swear to and keep. The first of the rules was that from that time forward, they would accept no honor or credit to themselves except that they would heal the sick without charge.
The second rule
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was that the letter C.R. or C.R.C. would be their mark from that time forward. The third rule was that each member was to look for someone worthy to take his place at his death. The fourth rule was that they would wear no unusual ceremonial robes or clothing, but would just dress in the clothing of the country where they were going to go. The fifth rule was that each year on a certain day, they would meet again at the House of the Sanctus Spiritus to sort of review their work and see how things were going.
And if they couldn't be there, they'd be represented by an epistle. The last rule was that they would keep the secret, the fraternity secret for 100 years from the world. Having all sworn to this and signed it, five of the brethren departed to distant countries and the following year the other two went, leaving Father C.R.C. alone in the House of the Sanctus Spiritus. Each year they met with great joy
because they found that their teaching was beginning to take hold and they were beginning to perfect it. Finally, when one of the members of the original Eight died in England, it was decided to keep the burial places of the members a secret. Shortly after this, Father C.R.C. called all the rest of the members home and it was thought at this time that he prepared his own symbolic tomb. The Fama Fraternitatis says that when it was written, no one knew where Father C.R.C. had been buried,
even the brothers in the Order didn't know, or when he had passed on. His tomb was accidentally discovered 120 years later when one of the brethren, who had a great deal of architectural skill, decided to make some improvements in the House of the Sanctus Spiritus. While he was doing this, he found a tablet that had the names of the original members on it and he thought this should be in a more imposing place, so he decided to remove it from the wall,
where it was attached by a very large nail. As he took this nail out, part of the plastering and the molding came loose, revealing a door. On this door was written, POTUS and then the Roman numeral CXX ANOS POTABLES, which the brethren interpreted to mean, In 120 years I shall come forth. Well, the next morning,
the brethren gathered together, eagerly, to open this door and see what it would reveal. And when they did, they found it led to a very good-sized vault with seven sides and seven corners. Each side was five feet wide and eight feet tall. And although there was no light coming in from the outside into this vault,
it was very well illumined by a light which continued to burn the ceiling, and no doubt this was part of their alchemical work. In the center of this vault was a circular sort of an altar. You'll see it in the picture here. And it had brass plates on top of it with writing on it. And when they moved this aside, it revealed a large brass door, which when opened,
revealed the body of Father C.R.C. in perfect state of preservation, although it had lain there for 120 years. In his hand, he had what they considered their most important document after the Bible, the sacred book T. And now I want to show you this picture. And I'll read you what Manny Hall has written under this picture.
When the brethren of the Red Cross entered the vault of their illustrious founder, they discovered engraved upon the circular brass altar top this inscription, A.C.R.C. I made this compendium of the universe as a sepulcher for myself alone. The brass plate also bore five other inscriptions, all but the first enclosed in circles. The first read, Jesus is everything to me.
The second, by no means empty. The third, the yoke of the law. The fourth, the freedom of the gospel. And the fifth, the intact glory of God.
The sacred book T found in the hand of Father C.R.C. enclosed with the following remarkable words, A seed sown in the breath of Jesus. C.R.C. came from the noble and illustrious German family of R.C., a man who in his lifetime was by divine revelation the most subtle imagination and indefatigable labors admitted to the celestial and human mysteries.
He preserved his more than royal and imperial arcana collected during his travels in Arabia and Africa from the scrutiny of his generation, which was not ripe for it, and kept it for the eyes of posterity. He organized the most zealous followers of his art, name, and faith, and built a little world responsive in every way
to his great personality. Having at last produced this compendium of the past, present, and future, at the age of above a hundred, not by reason of sickness, but summoned by the spirits of God, he yielded up his bright soul to God, the safe and steadfast creator.
This most beloved father, ineffably sweet brother, faithful teacher, and incorruptible friend, lies hidden here from his own for one hundred and twenty years. Then falls the signature of the brethren, and the book T concludes with, We are born of God,
in Jesus we die, and in the Holy Ghost we live again. We have to remember that at this time the medieval world was really very orthodox and the fact that the Rosicrucians came out with this really deep teaching was a very great step forward, much more than it would be now.
And you see certain little undertones of the orthodox still in the teaching. The brethren also found a small door in each one of the sides of the vault. And when they opened this, there were all the supposedly lost teachings of the fraternity and the books and the rituals and everything
that everyone had thought was gone forever. So it was with great joy that they examined everything and then sealed it all up, put the brass plate back above Father's seat, and put the altar back in place, and sealed the whole thing up again. And they went forth then to their duties,
but really greatly inspired because of the miracle which they had all witnessed. The story of this important book on the beginnings of the Rosicrucians, the Fama Fraternitatis, unfortunately it hasn't been able to be really proven.
There is no proof that Father CRC ever did approach the learned men of Spain. And the mysterious city of Damcar has never been located. But it could have been a code name that they used to keep their, where he received his training, a secret.
Because the whole order has been so secret that it's very hard to discover anything about it. Father CRC was never seen by anyone except his own brethren after he founded the order. So there was no description left of him either. And it's doubtful that he and Christian Rosencrantz were the same
because they weren't associated until later with the writings of the Chemical New Front. I want to show you a picture of, it's just an artist's version of Father CRC. Manny Hall writes, Father CRC is considered not only as a personality but also as a personification of the system of spiritual philosophy
which he is reputed to have established, which helps to explain why no authentic portrait of Father CRC has ever been discovered. In the secret tradition in Freemasonry, A.E. Waite, we presume that Father CRC is a personification of the system of spiritual philosophy.
In fact, we believe that Father CRC A.E. Waite reproduces a portrait which is presumably that of the illustrious adept. But Mr. Waite is careful not to commit himself as to the authenticity of the painting. Others less conservative have accepted the picture as genuine.
In the Lisbon Museum, there's a famous painting by Albert Drewer which bears a strong resemblance to the supposed portrait of Father CRC in Mr. Waite's book. The reading table, the folds of the cloak, the hat, the beard,
the position of the head, the finger touching the temple are all nearly identical. The Drewer painting was made about A.D. 1500. This picture shown here is intended not as a portraiture but as an idealistic conception of the spirit of Rosicrucianism.
The sage seated at his table copying from the secret book of nature, its pages lighted by the candle of the illumined mind and resting against the human skull. The great book of the Rose Cross lies unclasped upon the table, beside it an hourglass,
intimating that in time all shall be revealed. The true Rosicrucians were an organization of initiates and adepts. Only when he lives the Rosicrucian life can the disciple ever discover the secrets of that sublime fraternity. That's the first theory regarding
the origin of the Order. And now I'd like to take up the next one. Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry are quite well connected and it's been really a mystery about these two organizations and their relationship to each other. Most Masonic brethren
who have investigated this theory do believe that the ancient Rosicrucian order exists but they're divided as to its origins. One group feels that it originated in medieval Europe as an outgrowth of alchemical speculation. Robert McCoy, who is a 33 degree Mason,
feels that Johann Valentin Andrea was the founder of it or at least that he expanded an already existing organization founded by Sir Henry Cornelius Agrippa. We're going to talk a little bit more about Johann Valentin Andrea later on. He was a very well known German theologian
and he's definitely connected with the writings of some of the early works in the group. Some feel that the Rosicrucians represented the first European invasion of Buddhism and Brahmanism and others feel that the organization was started in Egypt during the philosophical supremacy of that empire
and that it also brought in teachings from Chaldea and Persia. Admitting the existence of the Rosicrucians as a philosophic and also a political organization, it's really amazing that they were able to keep this organization so secret through the centuries. But apparently the brethren were able to do this.
A great number of scholars and philosophers, among them Sir Francis Bacon and Wolfgang von Goethe, have been as suspected of affiliation with the order. But this hasn't been proven either. Pseudo-Rosicrucians abounded then and often when they had a political problem that they wanted to gain favor for, they would pass out pamphlets saying
that they were distributed by the Rosicrucians. But of course this wasn't true because they kept all their activities very secret. The ancient and secret order of the unknown philosophers has really lived up to their name. To this day the members are completely unknown. No one knows really who was a member of the order. In his Secret Symbols of Rosicrucians,
Dr. Franz Hartmann describes the fraternity as a secret society of men possessing superhuman, if not supernatural, powers. They were said to be able to prophesy future events, to penetrate into the deepest mysteries of nature, to transform iron, copper, lead, or mercury into gold, to prepare an elixir of light, or universal panacea,
by the use of which they could preserve their youth and manhood, and moreover it is believed they could command the elemental spirits of nature and knew the secret of the Philosopher's Stone, a substance which rendered him who possessed it all-powerful, immortal, and supremely wise. Also quoting him, he defines a Rosicrucian as a person who by the process of spiritual awakening
has attained a practical knowledge of the secret significance of the rose and the cross. And now I'd like to discuss a few of these symbols with you. This is called the Golden and Rosy Cross. It's said of this cross that it's made of spiritual gold and that each of the brethren wore it upon his breast. It bears the alchemical symbols of salt, sulfur, and mercury, and a star of the planets,
and around it are the words faith, hope, love, and patience. The double-headed eagle symbolizes the ultimate and androgynous state of the human creature. Rosicrucian alchemy, of course, wasn't concerned with metals alone, although the adepts were really able to do this in their alchemical experiments.
But the real secret behind this was that man's own nature has to be transmuted. From the base ignorance that we all have into the spiritual gold of wisdom and understanding. And this is really what was behind their experiments. None could reach Rosicrucian adeptship until they were able to do this. While he's showing you that one,
that part is in a good spot. It's hung up right here. Can you see that now? These next two pictures were made for me by a friend in Escondido. I think he did a beautiful job on them. The original symbol of the Rosicrucian fraternity was a cross, a rose crucified upon a cross.
And sometimes they would have the cross rising out of the rose. But this is the most common version of it. And usually it was shown raised upon a three-stepped cavalry. The Rosicrucian rose was also drawn upon the round table of King Arthur. And it's the central motif in the length of the chain which suspends the great George
and the jewels of the order of the king. This is the order of the garter. Sir Hargrave Jennings feels that the order of the garter had a connection with the Rosicrucian fellowship too. This is called the Rosicrucian rose. The rose is a Ionic symbol which is associated with generation, fecundity, and purity. The fact that flowers blossom by unfolding
is symbolical of man's spiritual nature which also unfolds. The red color of the rose refers to the blood of Christ and the golden heart concealed within the midst of it is symbolic of our own golden nature within us which we have to awaken. The number of the petals being ten is symbolic of Pythagoras' perfect number
which he considered to be ten. The rose symbolized the heart and the heart has always been accepted by Christians as symbolic of love and compassion of which of course the Christ was the outstanding personification. The rose is a religious symbol and is of great antiquity too.
The Greeks used it as a symbol for the coming of the sunrise or dawn. In his metamorphosis, Apollarius was changed into a donkey because of his foolishness and in this fable he regained his human form again by eating a sacred rose given to him by the Egyptian priests.
The presence of a hieroglyphic rose on the excursion of Martin Luther has given historians quite a bit of speculation as to whether Martin Luther also had some connection between his reformation and that of what the Rosicrucians were attempting. The symbolic principles of the Rosicrucians really are so deep
that they are very hard to grasp. I want to show you a few of those charts and symbols which are so involved. It gives you a very healthy picture. It gives you a very healthy respect for their knowledge of astrology and cosmic principles. I know you're not going to be able
to see these too well, but this one here symbols of the planets and also here we have the four kingdoms, the mineral, the vegetable, the animal, and the human. Here we have a monkey on a sphere and you can see that this figure
is a woman here. She has a chain in her hand down to this monkey which symbolizes the animal nature within mankind. Then there's another chain from here. This is the word for God and there's a hand coming out of it
with another chain connected to her wrist. What is interesting about this picture I brought is that she is holding this chain down to the monkey or the lower animal nature, but this other chain up to God or the divine kingdom is connected around her wrist.
It's not something she's doing. This is something she has blown within her. It's not something she's just doing. I thought that was very interesting. Some of these others, here's one. They're just so terribly involved
that we can't... It really would take a lifetime to... The members of the fraternity were bound together by mutual aspiration and not because of the rules of the fraternity. Most of them went right ahead with their daily lives and their work, whatever it might be.
And even their families didn't know that they were members. This is how secret they kept their affiliation. Whatever initiatory ritual they had has never been revealed, so there's nothing on that. Efforts to join the order were apparently futile
because the Rosicrucians picked out their own members. When they found someone that they thought would be an addition to the society, they would investigate him thoroughly and then he would be contacted in some secret way.
Sometimes he'd be contacted personally or at another time he might receive an envelope inviting him to go to some special place, signed CR or CRC. What was revealed to him there they never discussed, but because many Rosicrucians
were artists and writers, later a great change could be seen in their writings and often Rosicrucian symbology would enter into their writings. And this is one thing that has given people clues to who might have been
a member of the order. They continued with their healing work. Queen Elizabeth was healed twice of smallpox and the Earl of Norfolk was healed of leprosy by the Rosicrucians. Sometimes alchemists were visited
in their laboratories by a strange person who would give them a part of a formula that they were struggling with and hadn't been able to discover. And other people, who claimed to have been visited
in dreams or in visions by them. I'm sure you've all looked a little bit into dreams. This is another very fascinating study and there's much guidance to be received through dreams. I've done quite a bit of work with that with narcotics addicts
and it's amazing how much is revealed to them in dreams, the same as it is to everybody else, of course. So some of these people claim that they received instructions in the Rosicrucian fraternity. It's a little bit different
than what we would expect in their dreams. There's often doubt as to whether the name Rosicrucian came from the symbol of the rose and the cross or if this was just a blind to cover up the real meaning
behind the word. Godfrey Higgins feels that the word Rosicrucian didn't come from the rose but came from the word Ros, R-O-S, which means dew, D-E-W.
And this dew was considered to be the product that made up the philosopher's stone. There's also the word Ros which means dew,
D-E-W. And this dew was considered to be the product that made up the human brain which comes down. I took one course
in yoga and they gave a technique for activating this substance within the brain. You tip your tongue clear back
and press on the roof of the mouth as far back as you could. And through practice yogis are able to activate
this substance which then comes down and they swallow and sometimes they refer to it as honey and it's supposed to rejuvenate
the body. This is a yogic technique. The word Ros R-O-S means wisdom and R-U-S is translated
concealment. No doubt all these words had something to do with the meaning behind the word Rosicrucian.
Those developed will be connected with the development of Freemasonry are suspected to have been Rosicrucians too.
Many feel that the inner order of the Rosicrucians decided they needed an outer group to meet the material world
and to continue their teaching on the outer plane so they started this order of the Freemasons. Others feel that they became
dissatisfied with their progeny and withdrew leaving their secret symbols and allegories but withdrawing the key to unlock
the meanings behind these symbols. I think there aren't too many Masons today who really do know
how deep the teachings are in the Masonic order and most of the ones I've met but it really
has a terrific philosophy behind it if they would really go into it a little more. Many learned minds feel that the Rosicrucian order
does still exist and that it preserved its individuality by withdrawing from the Masonic order. According to widely accepted
tradition the headquarters of it were at Carlsbad, Austria and Manley Hall says there is
a group in the Schwarzwald Forest that is a good reference to the
Rosicrucian order and that they are very similar to the teachings of what can be found out about
the original order but he doesn't know for sure if they really are connected with it or not.
Political aspirations of the Rosicrucians were expressed by certain well-known people
such as I don't know if you've run into that theory or not in your group but Cagliostro was also considered
to be a member of the Knight Templars a group that was concerned with Transcendentalism not the Maharishi's
Transcendentalism. It was also thought that the Rosicrucians were probably the instigators behind the French Revolution
too because this is what they had in mind to bring about great changes in medieval Europe. The third theory
those are the first two the third theory takes a form of a sweeping denial of Rosicrucianism
as being a real organization and considers that it was a work a product of the imagination.
Some fear that Father C.R.C. was a story written by this Johann Valentin
Andrea that I mentioned before. But if he wrote the chemical nuptials
of Christian Rovenkrantz when he was only 15 years old which there is quite a bit of proof
he did it makes one wonder who gave him this information and if he was overshadowed
by a great adept to have been able to write this book at the age of 15
it's almost unbelievable to think that it was written in Shakespeare and he feels that Johann
Valentin Andrea may have been also these two may have all been the same
person. So I want to show you this picture maybe we can pull this one
up. This is here is a little picture of Johann Valentin very nice. Now, this is Shakespeare, a portrait of Shakespeare, and this is Sir Francis Bacon,
and they really are very, very similar. And also, the picture of Johan and Valentine Andrea is also very similar. If you could see, there's three of them lined up there. I want to read what Manny Hall wrote under that small picture. Let's see, let's go back to the small one again. Notice some of these symbols down in here as my husband passes this around. I know you didn't really want to see that. This is what Manny Hall has written under this picture. In certain esoteric circles, there are vague rumors which intimate that the humble personality of Johan, Valentine, Andrea mask an exalted emissary of the Rose Cross. While there is sufficient evidence to prove that Johan and Valentine Andrea were not the same, there
are sufficient evidence to prove that Johan and Valentine Andrea were not the same. While there is sufficient evidence at hand to establish the actual existence of a German theologian by the name of Andrea, there are many discrepancies in his biography which have not been cleared up to the satisfaction of critical investigators. A comparison that's been shown above with that of Sir Francis Bacon discloses striking resemblances in spite of the differences due to age. If Lord Bacon borrowed the name and identity of William Shakespeare, he could also assume, after his mock funeral in England, the personality of Johan and Valentine Andrea . This has been a mystery that has intrigued me for ages and I don't know if it ever will
really be solved. The crescent below the bust is significant as it also appears upon the crest of Lord Bacon to denote that he was the second son of Sir Nicholas Bacon. Furthermore, the four letters OMDC, those are on that picture, in the frame at the lower right corner of the plate, by a very simple Baconian cipher, can be changed into the name of Sir Nicholas Bacon. In fact, the name of Sir Nicholas Bacon is the equivalent of the name of Sir Nicholas Bacon. These several points of interest, when considered together, go far toward clearing up the mystery surrounding the authorship of the first Rosicrucian manifesto. It's assumed by many and maintained
by many that numerous pseudo-societies did spring up and there are many of these active today, too. Actually, this talk does not apply to any of the present Rosicrucian manifestos, but the organization that the Fama Fraternitatis and the Confessio Fraternitatis wrote about is the one that was originally famous in the medieval Europe. Many able minds, notable among them, Eugenius Philolathus, Michael Meyer, John Hayden, and Robert Flood, defended the concrete existence of the Society of the Rose Cross. Many of those men, some of those men, were active in forming Rosicrucian manifestos. In fact, the Rosicrucian manifestos, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian,
the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian, the Rosicrucian. In effect, this r message was Ivy Nagantes, and it surely is a jealously novel of the medieval Freemasonry Group. Some are of the opinion that Sir Francis Bacon had a hand in the writing of the Fama and the Confessio Fraternitatis because the rhetorical of these two books is similar to Bacon's book, New Atlantis, and it also contains Rosicrucian symbology in that book. There have been quite a few romances written around the ancient Rosicrucian, and probably one of the best-known and most interesting is the book Xenoni by Lord Bulwer-Lillig saint recognizing Atlantis, and it also contains the Rosicrucian symbology in that book.
There have been quite a few romances written around the ancient Rosicrucians, and probably one of the best known and most interesting is the book Zanoni by Lord Bulwer-Lytton. Some people feel that he was a member of the order, but others feel that he requested membership and was rejected. Although it's difficult to prove the existence of these ancient historians, it is pretty well known that there was a group of highly developed savants who did change really the direction of medieval Europe and the arts and sciences with really profound improvements and deep knowledge that they began to spread throughout Europe, first in Germany and then
afterwards to Spain and France and Italy and other countries. Now we come to the very last theory, and I think this one's very interesting, too.
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It's all along an entirely different line. This theory maintains that there was this group of very advanced men who had superhuman and supernatural powers, and the reason for this was that they were citizens of two worlds, that they had material bodies that they could use on the material plane to provide the teaching and to meet people, but that they were also so highly evolved that they could operate through their astral or etheric bodies, and that their temple was really located on the etheric plane. It took a great series of initiations and disciplines to become a member of this order,
and they feel that it was very, very exclusive, because how many people do you know that can travel in their etheric bodies or on the astral plane? It really takes quite an adept to do it, or at least one who has worked on those principles very strongly. This theory believes that the reason it's been so hard to prove is that everyone has looked at it from the materials. It's been so hard to prove that everyone has looked at it from the materials. It's been so hard to prove that everyone has looked at it from the materials.
Rather than looking into the deeper side of it, in order to become a member, they had to be able to not only transform the base metals into gold through alchemy, but also, as we said, to transmute their own nature into a spiritual nature, which was really the meaning behind the alchemical experiment. They thought that the man's own body was an alchemical laboratory, and that he had to be able to perform this experiment to become a member. They thought that the man's own body was an alchemical laboratory, and that he had to be able to perform this experiment to become a member.
They thought that the man's own body was an alchemical laboratory, and that he had to be able to perform this experiment to become a member. They thought that the man was able to develop his spiritual nature by what they called removing the rose from the cross. And they thought that the spiritual nature was attached to the material form at certain points, which was symbolized by the nails in the cross at the crucifixion. So, in order to accomplish this, man had to develop so hard a material form that he could draw the nails, as you might say, and allow his own spiritual nature to come down from
the cross and to work on the level where he was operating. So, if all of this is true, you can see that really they were highly evolved to be able to do this. This is something that you don't find very often even today, and we should be a little farther along evolutionary-wise than then. Those professing this theory regard Saint Germain as the founder of the Order, and they feel that he and Christian Rose... were the same person.
They accept fire as their universal symbol because this was the element that they could use to transmute the metals with. They felt that the existence of the Rosicrucian was to preserve man's spiritual nature and to help him keep it in mind through ages of materiality, which we've all been going through. Max Heindel, the Christian mystic, felt that the Rosicrucian temple was located over the and around the home of a European country gentleman, and that this temple would be moved to the Americas sometime in the probably not too distant future. I like the closing statement that Manley Hall used in his book, and he was quoting Max Heindel,
who founded the Rosicrucian Order at Oceanside. I'm sure most of you know that. But Max Heindel referred to the Rosicrucian initiated as so advanced in the science of life that death had forgotten them. I like that statement. I'd like to show you one last picture in here. Manley Hall says that this picture, let me read this right here. This picture is the complete key to regeneration of myth, transmutation of earthlyness into
celestial splendor, and the mystery of generation. Sure it is. Got it. Okay. And here's the name for God and the sun and the holy ghost. This is God. Remember the celestial. God came and brought life.
These are extraordinary colors. We're going to change that path in just a moment and then go off into our next discussion. So there's an order of the number of the bodies on the ring. akes. So you really develop that family. So I won't go into all of this, but these are-these animals here are symbolized as a merit made out of iron, sulfur, lead, tin and salt is what we see of them. Here we have a nocturnal scene.
And the woman here signifies the animal nature press . There's arrows glaube I don't know what is on the bottom of it but is there any words diet in the back? This is the sunrise scene, and here is man, which symbolizes the divine nature of man. And over here we have fire, which is symbolic of the more spiritual. These are alchemical symbols. And here you have the alchemist himself with these two mazes in his hand, which he uses to cut down darkness. That's sort of a brief interpretation of it. And here, this cloud here is just a symbol of the sort of darkness between us and our spiritual nature
that we have to go through to really realize who we really are. But it's really quite a terrific picture, and there's lots more in it than just that. And... But often, here's the... I want to mention, there's a chain, again, connecting man to his spiritual nature, which... He's chained to that. He cannot escape it. Someday he will really realize his own spiritual nature.
Well, that concludes my talk, and thank you very much. I've enjoyed speaking to you. If there are any questions, I don't know if I can answer them, but I'd be glad to try if there's any that... any of you have. Thank you, Elaine. Well, we'll have a break now. And then when we return after we have the... We'll return after we have the drawing, and hold your tickets for the drawing.
And when we return, the... I think it'd be well to... I just know him really rather casually, but I'm sure all of you have been up to his center, and I understand he is still lecturing on certain Sundays. I don't... I guess you'd have to write or get his monthly brochure to know exactly which Sundays that was. Yes. I understand he has a Chinese master that...
has guided him. And I think the amount of books that he has turned out just really show his development. He's just written so many fabulous books on so many different subjects. That's all I really can tell you about him. I don't know him that closely. Does anybody else have a question on... That sounds interesting. Yes.
Yes. Anyone else have any questions? Some of the girls would like to hear about what you have to say about dreams. What are the symbols? Oh. Well, that's a... It's really a little... It's a light journey, but I think dreams are just really highly significant.
If you start watching them and begin to keep track of them on a piece of paper when you have them at night, write down a few words so you can remember them the next morning, because they're hard to recall if you don't. And Edgar Cayce says that we're best at interpreting our own dreams, because we know what those symbols mean to us. Whereas another person really doesn't. They can mean different things to different people. And also, if you can't get the message of that dream, then just ask that night for a
clarification before you go to sleep, and you'll have it presented in some other form so that you can get the meaning from it. Because it's your higher self trying to tell you these things, so this higher self wants us to know and to have this guidance. So it'll make it clear to you if you keep asking. Yeah. Yes. Well, this is one thing in my classes that I've always had them start to do, is to watch
their dreams. Because you can tell someone something, but if his own self tells it to him and he receives it in a dream, he's going to listen a lot more to it. I had one girl in Escondido there at the drug clinic that kept having this dream that she was walking along, coming down this path, and coming to the edge of a cliff, and each time she'd almost fall over this cliff. But not quite. She didn't get the significance of that dream at all, but it's really just obvious that
she's on the wrong path, headed toward disaster, and hasn't quite reached that point yet. So we always have a real open discussion about it. I ask them, too, to see what they think their interpretation is, because I think it's better for them to get it. And almost everybody realized what this dream was. But she didn't pay any attention to it. She went right ahead on the big picture. She said, well, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. She didn't pay any attention to it. She went right ahead on the path she was on. And she did end up in a mental institution. She was only about 14 years old. It was just a shame because here was her higher self trying so hard to get her guidance, you know, and to get her straightened down another path. But I thought that was one of the very best examples that any of them had had.
But a lot of them have had ... There was one boy named micro-anxiety, and it was a terrible thing. in prison that one night he said that there was a group that came to the prison and he didn't even know what the name of the group was, but they started working with these different young fellows in there and they sort of picked him as a project, you might say, and they would all try to send him energy and that's another thing that I feel quite strongly about is that we don't try to heal people without their permission. I think this really breaks an occult law because we don't know whether they need an
experience to learn from, you know, we do learn from our problems, so I feel, according to the Alice Bailey teaching, which I feel is very high teaching on this planet right now, that you send energy from your soul star, which is situated in the highest chakra above the head, to their soul star, just send the energy and let the soul use that energy the way it sees right. You don't, you know, help them meet this problem, but we don't remove it from them. Anyway, let's see what it was, getting back to this boy in prison, they had been sending him energy and he said that night he went to sleep in his cell and all of a sudden he
felt a presence beside him and he thought, well, he said, I didn't even bother with my eyes, he said, I just thought it was one of the other fellows in the cell, you know, but he said, then I felt this kiss on my cheek. And he said, I jumped up and he thought, what's going on, you know, but there was no one there and then he realized that this was a spiritual experience that he had had and this gave him courage, you know, to face what he had to face there in prison. Yes? Well, a few of them, I think, it may have given them a little inner sight like that,
but most of the ones that I worked with, really. They hadn't even looked at it from that angle, you know, they were just taking it for the kicks and they really hadn't even put two and two together about the experiences and a lot of them had awful experiences and I think this is because they weren't developed enough to bring the good side of it forward, you know, it seems to heighten whatever is within you and, of course, it's not an earned experience anyway, it isn't something that is yours, but if you do have an experience through drugs, it's just a crutch that you use to get through it.
It's nothing you can recall, like in meditation, your development is always there, you know, and that's the thing I try to bring out to them is what they develop in meditation is theirs and they can use it at any time, but these drug experiences ruin the physical body and we have to keep our temple healthy that we're given to use this life. I might tell you a little technique that I use every day in keeping, trying to keep my body in a good state and that is to keep my body in a good state. What I do is to flood myself with light from this soul star above the head, you know, just flood my body every morning and night I do this and then I thank each cell for the work
it does for me because each cell is a living entity, you know, working really, really industrially for us and each cell itself is evolving and gratitude develops the soul. We should be grateful to every wonderful thing that comes our way and if you thank each cell every day for all this work it does for you. They're hard armed but they work that much harder because they want to do their job correctly. I feel as though I'm really important because I'm notbab sing staring at me You don't dream?
Everybody does dream but I just don't remember it. I think that's quite well proven scientifically that everyone does dream. But if you want guidance through your dream, start asking for it when you go to sleep. You know, just tell your higher self that I'd like guidance in my dreams and if I learn to play the piano or anything else, the more you do it the better it would are. Well where am I doing? Maybe I'm learning it too?
you get at it. This is one thing I found with young people. They really do just great watching dreams and beginning to interpret them and everything. They seem to get a lot of guidance that way if they'll open up to it. Edgar Cayce said that children as young as six years old will start to receive guidance in a dream. If you have young children, if you can start them watching at that age, think how good they'll be at it by the time they're our age. Why is it that the dream books always give you opposite interpretations? Like if you dream of somebody dying, it should be a wedding. Well, I think this happens too. I think this is why Edgar Cayce is right, that we should interpret our own dreams and find out what
they're telling you. It's a very personal thing, you know, although it may be about someone else too. But he said most dreams are about ourselves. And if you can't get it, it's a very personal thing. If you can't get it, it's a very personal thing. If you can't get it, it's a very personal thing. If you can't get it, it's a very personal thing. If you can't get it, it's a very personal thing. If you can't get it, it's a very personal thing. And that's the beginning. Usually you can't, you know, when you first start out this, but just keep asking for clarification and write them down so you can check back and see what happens, you know, that follows
through on it. And you have to remember your dreams. It's on your mind that you want to remember. Right. That's right too. Thank you for bringing that up. That's certainly true. You have to ask for, you know, to get this going and make the request. and then do your part by following through on it. That's right. So you can put down just a few words. You don't have to get wide awake the rest of the night,
but write down a few words so that in the morning you can recall it. Anyone else have anything? Any complications of going further into this prosecution? I don't. Well, of course, Manley Hall got his information from this Pharma Fraternitatis and the chemical nuptials of Christian Rosencrantz and the Confessio Fraternitatis, but I have never run across those books, so I don't know.
They may be probably in the archives of some European library, I suppose, or perhaps the Masonic Order may have them put away somewhere, too. I don't know. There's quite a lot more in this book. There's a smaller version of this book that you can buy. I think it used to be $25. I don't know. This one was $100,
but now there's... They're selling for $400 if you can even find one that someone doesn't want, but they're really collector's items, but you can buy the smaller version, and it's just reduced. It's quite difficult to read because it's a small print, and it doesn't have the colored plates, which are so beautiful, but there is quite a lot more material that I didn't give. I thought an hour talk was long enough on it,
so there is more material in there. Is the copyrighted on this book there? In 1928. Yes. Is the book by Max Handel? Do you mean his Cosmo Conception or his... Well, yes, I think it's quite different. I think, though, that Max Handel, from my opinion,
I think his group and the Quakertown, Pennsylvania group are the two higher groups is the way I personally feel, and no one has to take that if they think the San Jose group is better, but I think Max Handel really did have a member of the hierarchy as a teacher. His teaching is very similar to the Alice Bailey, and the Theosophical teaching, because they all had members of the hierarchy for teachers, so, of course, the teaching is really the same,
and I think that's a very high order there at Oceanside. They don't advertise. They don't charge for their lessons. It's just on a donation. They don't even take a collection up at church, and they have a fabulous... I'm not a member, but I go to church there every now and then. They have a fabulous mailing list of people
because they really... They could use more money. The place is getting a little run down, but they just don't charge. Max Handel was pretty implicit about that. I think it's really a very high order. The Rosicrucian Fellowship at Oceanside and the Quakertown, Pennsylvania group,
I think, is quite a very high order, too. They don't advertise, either, and they have a long discipline teaching. Yes? As a farmer for Trinitonis, you mean the main book? Considered to have started... It started in the 1400s, about the beginning of the year 1400.
See, Father C.R.C. was supposed to have been born in 1378, and he died 106 years later. So it's thought that it would start around 1400. It's pretty far back. Of course, it's not far back like the Egyptian writings or anything, but we should be able to live to be an uninflicted Jew. Well, I think we would really know them if we could just...
You know, if we could get rid of this mad consciousness that we have to get old and die. We have to connect ourselves into it and forget about... We have to drop off the old and have them in the new, you know? Otherwise, we are overburdened. Yes. We don't drop off our knowledge, but our excess baggage. Right.
Everything goes with us in the seed atoms of our bodies, our four bodies. Yes. Well, do you put any connection between them, the teaching of Yoganandi? Yoganandi? Almost, Yoganandi. And this here, because now, as you said,
you've seen how those masters and all, how they appear and disappear and do anything. Well, yes, I think there's a connection. I took his course quite a long time ago, the philosophy, but... Truth is truth, you know, and the hierarchy of the planet, really,
and I think it operates through many different groups. There are lots of paths. I don't think we have to say this path is it. You know, I don't feel that way at all. Yes, we have to find what seems right for us, and they're all leading in the right direction. Yes, that's true. Preserve their body,
because they still have work to do, you know. And I think it's fine to preserve the body, as long as it remains in good shape and everything. To just hang on to an old body, I don't think that is too much good. And if we finished our work like Yoganandi did, he announced he was going to leave, and he left.
That's the way to leave, I think. Not to go old and die, just to exit through the head of the heart center and consciously. This is what we really ought to do. Then, of course, we have people like Annalise Garron. I'm sure you all know her, who took her body with her
and landed. I'm sure you all know Annalise Garron. But how did she get those books written?
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Well, some of mine went to the Brazen Company and asked them that. And they said that those manuscripts are there on the desk when they come in in the morning. That they're just there. That's what the publishing company wrote. Dear God, I read that one. I think her books are good.
Annalise Garron. She was translated. She was a Mormon and excommunicated in the Mormon church because of her writings. And also her husband, let's see, what's his name? Reason. Reason Garron.
They both left and took their bodies with them. But they've appeared to quite a few different groups through the years. And there's always this scent of narcissus when she's going to appear. At the philosophical library in Escondido, we had a talk about her. And I have a friend in Escondido
who does channeling. She's not a medium, but she does consciously alert channeling. And we were talking about Annalise Garron who has come through her several times. And this beautiful aroma of the narcissus
has filled the room. And I didn't put the connection together at that time. And she didn't either. Because we hadn't heard about that this aroma comes when she is present. And I asked her, where is that scent coming from?
She said, I don't know. We don't have a thing in bloom right now. And it just appeared so suddenly when we were talking about it. And then later on I heard this and I put two and two together and I realized what had happened. She wasn't there in the physical,
but she must have tuned into us or something. Yes? You mentioned the Alice Bailey teachings. Could you briefly tell us something about her, where she lives? I don't have a date, but I think she died maybe 45 or something.
I might be wrong on that. That wasn't very far back. But she started out in theosophy. And the master, Dlaw Kul, DK they call him, appeared to her and wanted her to get out the next stage of the philosophical movement.
And first she appeared she was afraid of getting into something like this but maybe it wasn't on a high level. But when he appeared to her physically, she would go ahead and do it. And I had a friend that knew her very well and she said she'd just been taking down this dictation on the Tiber
and carrying on a conversation with you and writing it so rapidly. And she was chosen for that reason that she could tune in so well to their teachings. And this writing is not her writing. She doesn't make any claims for it,
although she has written a few books too. But it's supposed to be there way into the new age, that far ahead, the teachings. A lot of it's like her book on cosmic fire or no, it's his book,
DK's book really. It's very hard going and so advanced that it's pretty hard to get it all. But I think those books, if you can get through them, they're really easy to study in a class. And they're really advanced teaching.
Covered. I think there's, maybe somebody else knows exactly how many books she has, but they're all dictated except a few that she wrote herself by the master, DK. They're all cool.
And they're hierarchical teaching, the same as Max Heimel's teachings, really, only they cover a lot more ground. I like them very much and I heard so many people say he never went on that trip and I just don't believe it
because my mother had a teacher in Seattle, and he was a Christian science practitioner, Dr. Clark was, but he kept his affiliation with the church because he could meet and work with so many more people. But then he gave out this teaching that they had received in Tibet
to certain schools that he felt were ready for it, you know. And those were kind of the first things that I read and got really interested in. I grew up in Christian science, so I never had an orthodox background and my mother was into metaphysics too,
so I never really got interested in myself. I've always loved those books. There are a lot of people who just say it's a big thing, he never went on anything, but I don't believe it. I really don't. He is my great-uncle. He is my great-uncle.
He is? And on my father's side, I didn't drop the name to get attention. But this is the thing that the family knows about and you want to hear it. I'd love to. Well, the family knows. They were hard-shelled badgers.
So he didn't live at home very much. He was sort of an oddball to the family. They never knew where he was. When he came back, whenever he would show up, he'd be gone for three or four years. When he'd show up, he would tell them about these beautiful things
and these findings, and everybody thought he was a goop and a liar. So in 1938, he showed up at my house in Dallas, Texas. And we had not seen him or heard from him in 28 years. And at that time, he was 82 years of age,
and I know, because I know my family history. And he was driving a gram-page car about 1928. And he drove it from California to Texas by himself. And he was loaded with these books. And I looked at him
and I said, uh-uh, where have you been now? He said, sit down and read. I'm tired of talking. How come he had a habit of disappearing? And after he returned, he told us where he had been.
And, uh, he had been. Now, maybe, he, uh, I will say this. Number one, I'm a professional writer, among other things. I've just finished a three-day conference with the
Long Beach Professional Writers. And then I do other things, too. I'm jack of two trades. I'm almost a master of both of them. But, um, he and I are a great deal alike.
We get too busy to talk about it until we get it through. And then we leave it for people to take a look at. And according to their understanding, they may have it. And he was like that. He lived at my house for seven months. And, uh,
strictly vegetarian. And he taught me how to, uh, roll out grapefruit with honey on it. For my bedtime snack. Which is a very healthy thing to do. Uh, so he was quite sincere
in what he did. If he erred in any way or enlarged on it, or got a little fanciful thought, uh, if he did. Now, I don't believe that he did. But I will say if he did, he did it because
he wanted to give to the world something to look forward to and to work forward to. I'm glad to hear that because I have a friend who doesn't know many things. Well, I thank you for it. I appreciate it a lot.
As I say, he was not very close to the family. He was almost like a myth. He would come and he would go. And we, he, where he went, we don't know. Uh-huh. He told me, he left the manuscripts with me.
Which I haven't done a thing with yet. I'm glad to hear that. I am waiting for instructions. Because that was the agreement. Uh-huh. And, uh, I'm sure that he just took that body of his and went right on.
Oh, I'm glad to hear that. The instructions haven't come through yet, so I'm keeping my part of the deal. Uh-huh. I don't hurt anybody because I would go home and say I'm kidding. I'm not asking for too much time. I don't mean that.
I meant me. I didn't want to. I like to ask her. I had a book in the library. And this book in the library said it was his grandfather that took the trip. Did you know that that book was all about it?
I don't remember the name of it. But it said it was his grandfather that took the trip. Whoever wrote the book said it was his grandfather was mistaken because his grandfather was a blacksmith. I've heard that they were, but his father was a blacksmith
and he died, his grandfather was a blacksmith and he died at a very early age for a grandfather. He died almost before Verity was born. His grandfather. I think he's around 48 or something like that.
He was a blacksmith, so he couldn't have written a book. Yes. In the library, I was digging through some of my William Bedley Kelly letters that had come through from the other side.
This one was from Edison. And Kelly was telling Edison that he had met Barry Smalling and how much he wanted to go with some friends in New York to go up to meet Edison and they wouldn't let him come along because Edison was very
picky about having strangers come and visit. But Barry wanted to go so badly that I guess he went up to his bedroom and went. Because he came back telling all these stories about Edison and they went so far
as to check the butler to see if he had left or anything. Uh-huh. He's got a hair cut in my beard. He's got a hair cut in my beard, but I think his writings show a lot of development. I think you can judge a little bit
by his writings, I think. Whatever happens to him, he'll learn. Did he have a funeral and everything? There was never any report of him dying. I'm still holding the manuscript. Well,
even if there wasn't a family connection, we have many great writers that leave their work for us or put it forth for us for our development and our understanding and many people understand it differently. I think regardless of who
writes something that is distracting for our entire development, we should take advantage of at least the better elements of it. Well, I'm going to go through. Does anybody else have a question before we close?
Well, thank you again for inviting me. I certainly didn't know how to do it. ... and intriguing. I think we'd like to have you come back again sometime and just do not know who our speaker will be
for this London convention and it's going to be held from August 2nd through the 24th and I'm going to give three talks there and so I wrote Bill on it because we've been good friends and he's spoken to my college class and I said, why don't you write
and see if you can go too and they did invite him to go so the three of us are going to London. I think it'll be a lot of fun. Can you tell us something about his work? Oh, a little. He's done a lot with the pyramid. He's done all kinds of experiments with it.
He's got a little magazine out, I think it's called Pyramidology, I believe, and it's really worth taking, I think. It's very interesting and he's... in the last one he mentioned that if you put your hand in this
you have to build this little pyramid structure according to scale. If you put your hand in there, it will levitate and anything put in there will not decay, just dehydrate. He's done experiments with it. Have you read that book, Psyche Discovers Behind Iron Curtains?
They go into the pyramid there. Or you can meditate under it and Bill... We had Bill and Jerry Jan Teeple who, I don't know the relationship there, but she helped him with his magazine and they came up to Gary the other night and he was telling us that after meditating
under this pyramid for quite a while, now he does it without the pyramid and he gets the same effect. It's a mental thing now that he can do. It can tune you into a lot of things. I haven't tried it. I'd like you to get a model of it, you know, a scale model and try it.
It'll be fun. Well, I understand you can make this yourself. Can you do that? He has the dimensions. He'll probably give it to you. He probably will give this out. We can be looking forward to hearing Bill next month
in July and having the possession of such a wonderful book. It's one of the few possessions I really treasure, I really do. I waited 20 years to get it and it finally came to me. Funny how things work like that, isn't it?
That's why I asked you about it because I've only seen two like that before. Oh. I had seen it years ago but you just can't find one and finally a woman out in the desert told me her story. I'm really happy to get it.