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1970 January 24th Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Chan Thomas On Esp At 1hr48min Unknown Female Speaker

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [35:17] Main address
• [01:47:49] Development of the main themes
• [02:40:44] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

And I come to share minds with you, and this is always one of the high evenings, high point evenings, that I spend in my too short life. I'd like to tell you that I have a new book out. It's not out yet. It's in the hands of the publisher. It looks like McGraw-Hill is going to publish my newest book. The title of it is Body 2, and it's my book on ESP, which I do not like to call extrasensory perception. I call it equilibrium system perception. How many here have seen any kind of an unidentified flying object? How many here have not? How many here have heard me tell you how to go see one? How would you like to go do it? All right, let's start off. By telling you exactly, this is the beginner's course, really. I've been through it, and a friend of mine here did exactly what I said to do,

and he came out this first evening in space. Now, you've all seen twinkling stars, haven't you? It's like the first thing you heard of when you were a child was a twinkling star. Well, the next time you start studying twinkling stars, or just... Just looking at them, look at the way they twinkle. It's a peculiar way. They have specific colors. They will be a sort of a yellow-white, a bright white, a blue, a green. Now, the blue and green flashes will be long, sort of long flashes. The white, the bright white, and the yellow. The yellow and the white will be longer. That'll be the longest colors.

And there will be flashes of red, which are usually the shortest length colors, which you'll see. Some nights you'll see a few stars twinkling like this. And on rare occasions, when you look up there, every blasted one of them is blinking in this same fashion. Not in time with each other. Random times, but they're all blinking and winking, as if to say, guess what I'm doing. Well, on nights like that, it's very difficult here in the basin to get a good, clear view. If you can get away from the basin, on a weekend especially, when you can go out in the desert, not alone. Take a buddy. Take your husband or wife. Take another couple.

If you can get three or four of you to do this together, it's the best way, believe me. Take blankets, take air mattresses, pillows, sleeping bags, anything to spend the night. Because if you're going to do it right, you must spend the night. Rest up the evening, the afternoon and evening if you can, before you go. Because the best rewards come to you. If you spend the entire night watching. Now what you do is lie down on the ground. Go out to the ground near, what is it, Table Mountain?

It's near Giant Rock, but I'm thinking of the flat mountain near there. Oh, that mountain is a wealth of things to see. In the daytime. If you look closely, you will see. Carvings in ruins. Rocks ages old. And the only number that appears in any of those rocks around that mountain is six. And one part of the base of that mountain, you'll see what looks like a strata of rock.

You look closer and you see that it is an ancient wall lying down with joints between the stones. A prehistoric wall. Oh, this would be a fantastic day. A great day to spend out there, just as we did going around that base of that mountain. We found hearthstones, which were bricks, baked bricks in the ground. And in these hearthstones were embedded little teeny grains of gold. It was from an old goldsmith's furnace. Well, go out there and lie on the ground and look up.

Or someplace else where the sky is clear. And you pick out some of these stars to watch. Now, the reason you lie down is that you just can't spend the night with your head craned back. You have to lie on your back. Get comfortable. Get chummy so that you're all in a positive frame of mind. And you watch. And you watch.

And you'll notice that some of these stars indeed are twinkling. And some are not. And those which are not are sort of a yellow-white steady light. No twinkling. No twinkling. No twinkling. And over here is some star just as busy as can be. Bright white, green, blue, and short red flashes.

I promise you, I guarantee you, if you spend one night like this, sooner or later you will see a star that is twinkling take off and go zip. And you'll see it streak to the position of another star. Which was not twinkling all this time. And the star that wasn't twinkling starts twinkling. And the star that was twinkling stops twinkling. And you can see the streak as they go from star to star. And the first time you see it, you think, I'm seeing things.

Did it really happen? Did it really happen? And the first tendency, the normal tendency, is to keep quiet. Don't say anything. It's me. You know? But believe me, speak out and say, did you see it?

Your partner will say, oh yes, I saw it. And they'll point. Yes, they'll point. Party number three, party number four will agree. And then you realize that you really saw this thing. And now the payoff begins. Because as you watch, there will be another, and another, and another, and another. And on through the night, you'll see this.

Now if you are really persistent and really watch, you might get a bigger payoff on your very first night. Because as dawn just creeps over the horizon, and you think, well, this is all we're going to see tonight. You'll see one or two of these stars near the dawn, which have just been hanging there all night and rotating with a rhythm. And then you'll see the rest of the sky.

You'll see those stars just, all of a sudden, slowly, gradually move away. Every friend of mine, and every acquaintance of mine, who has tried what I told them to do, had these payoffs the first night. The very first night. So I would have to say to you that if you really want to see UFOs at a distance, this is the way to start. This is the way to start.

Now believe you me, we have uncovered enough in the way of communications, and we'll be talking about this tonight, to where you have to believe that they know you're there, and you're thinking about them, and watching them. And they know you can't communicate with them, because you just don't have this ability in your mind. I'm reminded of a story told me by a friend of mine,

who is now a retired Navy captain. This was back in 1959 or 1960, just before he retired. He was in his 60s, and he told me that back in the late 1800s, his mother was a young girl, 12 years old, on a farm in Indiana, on her parents' farm. And this morning, she was out in one of the fields,

just playing around. And all of a sudden, not 100 to 200 yards from her, appeared this round-shaped vehicle. And just hovered. And it appeared like from nowhere. And a voice inside her head said to her, Elizabeth, go to the farmhouse. Your mother's dying.

She has something she wants to tell you. And she just stood there transfixed to the spot, as the thing disappeared. She didn't budge. Her first thought was, how did they know my name? And, it's in my head. How did I hear it in my head? Pretty soon, it came right back and said,

Elizabeth, now I told you to go to the farmhouse. Your mother's dying. She wants to talk to you. Go on. And disappeared again. And the girl just stood there, transfixed to the spot. Well, the third time, the vehicle appeared and said, now Elizabeth, I told you to go to that farmhouse. Now your mother's in there.

She's dying. She wants to talk to you. Now run! And Elizabeth shook herself into reality and ran. And yes, her mother was in bed, was dying, and had been calling for her. And she did get to tell young Elizabeth what she wanted to before she died. And she died with Elizabeth in her arms.

Well, poor Elizabeth told this story to everyone in the innocence of youth. And for years afterward, almost all her life, she was called everything from a nut to an idiot to a liar to Lord knows what. Well, when I explained this story to her son, who was the retiring Navy captain, tears welled in his eyes. And he said, you know, I just wish my mother could hear you explain this. He said, I've believed her all these years, and now I'm happy I did because I can see why it could be true.

And it probably was true. Well, it happened to her. Oh, just a few years after Maxwell derived his fabulous equations on electromagnetic theory, before anyone even thought of a radio tube, his equations, which are the basis of the design of every broadcasting station today, his equations still hold true. What a fabulous man he was, and what a terrible loss to society when he died in his forties. Because on the trail that he was going,

he would have been the man to have found the equations for building a controlled gravity device. He was on the right. That would be wishful thinking because it didn't happen. Anyway, Elizabeth's story, opens up avenues to us, which I mentioned about your first night watching for UFOs. How do you learn to communicate this way? What is extrasensory perception?

It's really not extrasensory at all. That means perception outside the senses. This kind of communication is really perception inside the senses. Intrasensory perception would be much more proper. Let's look at it from a close to a scientific point of view as we can. It has to be based on some part of the human physiology. Because that's what works when it works. It's our physiology that's doing it.

Now it has to be reliable because it seems to be that it is not subject to any kind of deterioration that we know in any other kind of communications. We've got to throw out electromagnetic radiation. We've got to throw out magnetics. We've got to throw out magnetohydrodynamics. We've got to throw out light. We've got to throw out nuclear energy.

We've got to throw out atomic energy. We've got to throw out even laser energy. This has to be something that is so reliable that nothing ever interferes with it to any extent. Now there's only one thing we know of that answers this and that is gravity. The force of gravity withstands its effects over ranges without deterioration

that none of these other modes of propagation can boast. The pull of gravity has its effect throughout the entire universe as we know it. It's a more constant thing than we know any other thing to be. Thunderstorms, electromagnetic disturbances do not change it in any way whatsoever. So let's take a look at it from a viewpoint of hypothesizing, if you will,

from particle physics. The best physicists of all time have come up with the concepts that we live in a particle world. Everything is made up of particles adding up in one way or another to make up different entities of structure. If we were to take the annual steel output of the United States,

the entire tonnage of it, and take the space out of it and have left just the particles of the steel. Now I'm talking about the space inside the steel. That entire steel output would be the size of an egg. Of course it would be denser than anything we know. It would be so heavy and so concentrated it would go immediately to the center of the earth,

penetrating everything on its way. But that's how much space there is in some of the most dense material we know. And that space is surrounded, permeated by the particles making up the iron atoms and the carbon atoms that go into making steel. Now physicists have envisioned

our particle universe as a gathering of particles moving, always moving. As long as there is temperature above absolute zero, you're going to have movement of particles. That's what makes temperature. And one of the things they've agreed upon is that if you take this random movement

of particles everywhere, and in this room there are gases moving around particles, if you take the movement of these particles in any direction, any one direction, there is an equal and opposite movement of particles. In the opposite direction particles are moving in an equal quantity and rate

in the opposite direction. Now we have different kinds of particles. Let's generalize them into colliding and non-colliding particles. Particles which are so big as to cause collision with other particles. And particles which are so small that they just will not collide

with other particles. I'm thinking of a neutrino, for instance, as a collisionless particle. Let's envision a kind of a particle that has not even yet been recognized in the world of physics. Now this is a hypothetical particle and yet it is entirely plausible.

Let's envision a particle that's so small that it approaches zero in diameter. And it moves so fast that it approaches infinity in speed. Now I talk about approaching. Those of us who've had calculus know about what I'm talking about here. But let's reduce it to household terms.

Suppose we were to build a staircase from that floor to that floor. And we divide it into 12 steps. Then we tear it down and we build another staircase with one more step, 13 steps. We have to make them smaller to do it. Then let's tear it down and put another staircase in with 14 steps.

We make them smaller, all right. We can do it. Now we keep building this till maybe we get up to a million steps. We can always tear it down and build a staircase with one more step in it. Now you can realize

that the smaller we build the steps, the greater the number of steps we can put in. Right? Which means that the height of the steps is approaching zero height. But remember, no matter how many stairs you put in, how many steps you put in,

you can always build it over again with one more step in there. And you can always decrease the height of each step. And it never becomes zero, but it approaches zero. If you were to walk toward that wall, starting here,

and step toward it in the manner that you always step only halfway to that wall from where you are, will you ever reach it? No. Will your step ever become zero distance toward the wall?

No. It'll approach zero, right? The distance will approach zero. This is the concept in calculus known as the infinitesimal. Now suppose your velocity of stepping toward the wall increased with each step.

It would approach infinity in speed as your distance approached zero in length of your steps. Now here we are talking about this particle. The diameter gets smaller and smaller as we look at smaller particles until we find a particle which approaches zero in diameter.

And its speed gets higher and higher until it approaches infinity. So we say it's near zero in diameter and near infinite in speed. Now remember in all these particles, if we have a bunch of colliding particles going this way and with it some non-colliding particles,

the sum of the particles in this direction is equal and opposite to the sum of the particles in that direction. Now suppose we have more colliding particles than we have in this direction than we have in that direction. The result will be that this will collide more with those and push them that way,

a force in that direction, right? But remember the total of all particles has to be the same. That means there are less non-colliding particles this way than there are going this way. There are more non-colliding particles going this way

and more colliding particles going that way. So we get a push of force in that direction. Now suppose we go to a planet. You're sitting on a planet right now. And you're being pushed toward the planet by particles colliding with you. The only reason that you're being pushed

in that direction is that from inside this planet more non-colliding particles are being issued out. Than colliding particles. And more colliding particles are pushing in than there are non-colliding particles. But the sum of the particles going in

and the sum of the particles going out is the same. Now all we have to do if we're going to build a spaceship is to use this principle of colliding and non-colliding particles. What we have to do is to learn how to make non-colliding particles

out of colliding particles and we've got ourselves a spaceship. Because if we can fire down more non-colliding particles than the Earth is firing up non-colliding particles the Earth will be firing up more colliding particles

than we are firing down and it will push our ship up. Now all this comes to the nature of the human being. We have this stable reference gravity coming out of a planet non-colliding particles.

But remember we have non-colliding particles going in every direction also. In our head we have equilibrium loops. There are two vertical loops and one horizontal loop. Now the two vertical loops

are for sensing horizontal energy going through them. These are very well known structures in electrical engineering for loop antennas. The one horizontal loop is designed to sense vertical energy going through it.

Now this is an interesting structure because it's functional in design. There are fewer horizontal signals than there are vertical signals. So we have twice the number of loops to sense horizontal energy that we have for sensing vertical energy.

Lots of vertical energy. Alright. In our lifetimes we are used to sensing this stable reference with our equilibrium loops and these loops go up the equilibrium nervous system

to the brain and they are connected to every part of the brain. Every part. And from the brain they go down to the pons and from there it's the junction box really for all the nervous system

at the base of the skull. From there they go down the spinal cord and out to every muscle in the body. Now in the lower primates such as an ape or a gorilla or a chimpanzee

this equilibrium nervous system is so well defined that if you dissect the animal you can trace that nerve to every muscle in his body. In a duck or a goose you can do the same thing.

In the human this equilibrium nervous system is so fine that you cannot trace it after it leaves the spinal cord. It has to be there though because in just moving your hand from one place

to another you must have a stable reference that tells you where your hand is here and where it's to go to over there and where it has been here to move from.

You must have that hey, that's a steady hand isn't it? You must have a stable reference. Now in our lifetime we're used to using that only for that purpose. Just to sit up in your chair you must have your equilibrium system working

or you'd fall over. To get up and walk out of this room you must have that reference for every muscle that you use or you couldn't walk out of the room. Now suppose that this reference signal that you get contained more than just directional reference.

Suppose like a broadcast signal it were modulated with intelligent information but that content was so small that you could afford to ignore it because it never meant much to you anyway. But it's there. How would it affect you?

Well from our work we have found that it affects one's subconscious mind directly as if the communication were right there. Now I'd also like to make plain that the subconscious mind is really not the mind at all. The subconscious mind is what I call body two.

When a person is born he's born with two bodies. She is too. You're born with two bodies believe it or not. Your body one is your conscious body. It's the one that you feed it grows up

you coordinate its mind it exercises itself sometimes it dissipates itself it reproduces itself it grows old and it dies. It's a very temporary thing. But with this body one

is born your body two. Now in every atom of your body especially those of your nervous system there is a gravitational system precisely similar to that of the planet we're living on. And that gravitational system is emanating collisionless particles

and receiving collisionless particles. And this body two actually is more you than your body one is. It is your personality. It is your entire memory. Nowhere in the entire human brain has the medical profession

have physiologists ever found any function pertaining to memory. It is a body two function. Your entire life experience your prejudices your personality your graces.

Everything is a part of your body two. A child is born with his body two and his body one tied together functionally to the extent that he doesn't even know there's a difference or that there are two there. To him it's all one.

What the connection is between these two we have yet to find out. We have yet to discover. But there is a connection. And the tightness or let's say the thoroughness of that connection is a measure of how much

a person knows consciously of what's going on in his subconscious mind. Now when a child is three to six months old believe me in his body two in his subconscious

he has the vocabulary of a full grown adult. And is trying madly to communicate mind to mind with everyone around him because his body one is just too untrained to do it that way. And God help the poor infant

who's surrounded by children and adults talking to that infant in so called baby talk. It's a world of confusion. Give me a child, an infant who has spent his young years surrounded by intelligent conversationalists and I'll give you

the most intelligent child to send off to school when he starts school. It's when that child is first exposed to the social concepts which we call group acceptability. Group conformity. That the child realizes

our prime rule of social maturity. And that is that the measure of one's social maturity is in his ability to hide what's in his mind. Not only does he learn that he must sever these two functions

or that he can but he must sever his conscious and subconscious his body one, body two. And that's when he learns that these two functions can be separated and that he can

lie, cheat, steal, deceive. And it comes usually as a result of his first contacts with the requirement of conformity of the group in our society.

It'll come in kindergarten, in Sunday school, it might even come right in inside the walls of the family home. It's an interesting thing when this happens to a child. We've seen it. Once we discovered this

we see it. And it's like the lights in a child's eyes go out. The sparkles in an infant's eyes which are there in almost every infant's eyes die.

And a child becomes a child, just a child. Those children who grow up in societies, in homes, in a school environment, in a religious environment

where they are allowed almost unlimited intellectual and spiritual freedom and are not surrounded by negative thoughts of parents and teachers

and associates survive this period maintaining their tie between conscious and subconscious, between body one, body two.

And these are the people we say have ESP. Now there are others who survive this period by determining on their own that they will fight

within themselves to maintain their intellectual freedom, their spiritual freedom. They are those who keep this tie in spite of their environment. They are fewer in number.

Well back in 1965 I literally stumbled onto the concept of why there should be ESP because I was studying the human equilibrium system from the viewpoint of what happens

to the equilibrium system in space physiology. You get a human being out in space, what happens to it? Then I discovered the whole concept of antennas,

of gravitational sensing and our hypothesis at that time was suppose there is modulated information in this link of energy which is limitless in range. No solid can stop it.

It goes through anything. It doesn't deteriorate anything. It's not like x-rays or radiation or laser beams or anything. Nothing is deteriorated by it. Nothing stops it.

So we devised a means of testing

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whether there were information in this or not. And by using the very concept that the human hand moves in answer to the instructions and coordination put to it by the equilibrium system. We said alright,

we could point to if there is an information content maybe the human hand would let us know by pointing to a letter if that is there. But let's make it easy and realize

we've reduced it to two dimensions and let's put a chart a communications chart on this thing and slide the hand over it. Now we've reduced it to two dimensions.

And all we found out that we're receiving like math all the time. All kinds. Everybody from soup to nuts is trying to break in to communicate with us

this way to you and you and you me all of us. It's happening to us all the time. And in our society we're insensitive to it

so we're just on the blank end of a tremendous link that's trying to communicate with us. So then we decided we had to evolve the concept of transmitting and receiving. Let's put down the requirements. To be a good receiver

the best receivers are those who have found their own inner peace. You can relax spiritually mentally physically you can be at peace with your fellow man

as well as with yourself. This is the best attitude for being a good receiver. To be a good transmitter you must have this same peace but you must also have the ability to shut out

or to exclude every thought from your conscious and subconscious but the very one you want to transmit. Just that thought and none other. Now some entertainers have

a good measure of this ability. I'll name Johnny Carson I'll name Danny Kaye as two. The reason they hold their audiences like they do is that they are talking to their audiences

entertaining their audiences with their conscious but also their subconscious. They have got the audience listening to them with their conscious minds and their subconscious minds. That is how an audience is held.

The speaker the entertainer is putting out the same signal with both his conscious and his subconscious mind. Now the speaker who is putting out a signal with his conscious mind

and thinking something else with his subconscious mind will lose his audience. He'll lose them. It happens. It happens all the time. An entertainer who is not a top entertainer

will have this sad characteristic. So if you are going to transmit you want to practice a simple thing at home here is a way to do it. Say you have a wife or a husband or a friend.

Say you have a husband who is coming home from work. And of course when he is coming home from work he doesn't leave everything at the office does he? He is thinking about this and that and driving home

and he is mad at the other guy for cutting him off and the traffic light changed at the wrong time and he is going to be home late and what have you. First thing a husband has to do is to learn to be at peace

with himself the minute he gets in that car to drive home. Now wife you are at home and you want to send your husband a message. Make it simple. John, stop at Ralph's

and bring home a dozen grade double A eggs. End it. If you think I wonder if he got it. You will. You will jam your own message. Because you are sending that too.

If you send it twice, three times, four times you clutter up his mind with how many times? Send it once. Once. With full faith that he got it.

Now the guy in the radio station has got a microphone. And let's say he has got the kind with a button on it. And he pushes the button. He speaks into the microphone. With full faith that what he says

is going down that wire into the amplifier into the modulator into the transmitter out the cable up the tower and out. As a matter of fact

if it didn't he'd be surprised wouldn't he? The announcer. That's the attitude you must have to transmit properly a mind to mind transmission.

Be surprised if you don't put it out. Because it's there. And every thought you have is being put out. Now John you're coming home. All of a sudden

you have an impulse. Got to stop at Rouse. Don't question it. Give me that impulse. Go to Rouse. Stop. Go in. Now you don't know what for.

Walk around. You may bring home a pound of butter. But at least you got part of the signal and you obeyed it. That much. That much

will help to retie your conscious and subconscious perception. That much. I'll give you an idea of what can happen. When my wife and I were first learning this

we first realized that this was a powerful thing in human beings. Our daughter Caroline was coming home on the front seat of our car. Eleanor was driving

and I was at work. It was in the afternoon and Eleanor saw Caroline's bike on the porch. And Eleanor thought to herself oh there's Caroline's bike on the porch. I'll have to have Chan

bring it in when he comes home. Caroline said out loud I'll ask him. It's just as if Eleanor had said it you see. Knowing that she wasn't trying to transmit she didn't question

whether she put it out or not. She put it out. I'll have to have Chan bring it in when he comes home. She just thought it. Caroline said I'll ask him. Just like that. Well so many other things happened.

We were in Cape Cod visiting my parents that very same year. And we have an older daughter who's now in UCLA. At that time she was 15. We were teasing our older daughter Stephanie

about something. And she said I don't know what's going on. And Stephanie just stopped talking and thought to herself I'm not going to say another word. Because we had probably

teased her just a little bit too much. A few minutes later we were engaged in an interesting conversation and Stephanie just burst into the conversation. And Caroline said you said you weren't

going to talk anymore. And Stephanie said I did not. Oh I thought it. But to Caroline she had said it. You see? She had said it.

That was before Caroline went to kindergarten. When that severance came we knew it. And you know we tried to maintain it between her body one and body two.

And we could do it in one weekend. But they won in the end. They won. But she still has a pretty good degree because we can still communicate

in our family. In fact our whole family does. We send signals to each other all the time. Well there you are. If you make a chart incidentally when my book comes out body two

it will be in bookstores. It will have with it this communication chart. And you will be able to use it and train yourself and actually re-tie your own body one and body two tie.

Whatever it is we never found out. It's there that tie. Our oldest boy our only boy who is our oldest who is also in UCLA. When he was fifteen

re-tied his body one and body two to the extent that I could send him a whole deck of cards and he would get fifty two out of fifty two. That my friends

is the most factual verification possible of the existence of mind to mind communications. After training we trained him to do this. He went to school in summer school

that year several months after we re-tied this tie. And he said I don't have time to take courses that I don't have time to take during the year.

And in our neighborhood which is Westchester a lot of kids go to summer school to take courses they don't have time to take during the year. And a lot of them

take health which is required by the state. And one of the girls was giving a oh they all had to give a term paper in this health course

Jack was taking it. And this one girl was giving a term paper on ESP. She had gotten a hold of Dr. Rhine's five cards. You all know those are a square

a star a circle wavy lines and what have you. And she had made five sets of these. So she had 25 cards. And she had a sixth set.

And their whole family had tried. And not one there were seven in the family not one had gotten one out of 25 cards. So her paper was based on

the hypothesis or the conclusion that there is no such thing as ESP it's just a side show a freak thing. Well Jack was so enraged by this

because he knew what ESP was that once she called for a volunteer to demonstrate he volunteered. But then right away he knew

he couldn't be angry because anger shuts down this communications. Anger disrupts your inner peace. So he calmed down. He said

I'll do it if you'll allow me to pick my partner because he knew he had to pick one he had to pick a girl because girls

follow orders better than boys. So then he also had to pick an extrovert. Oh don't I know that I used to teach a class of 90 girls

at Columbia University and believe me I'd rather teach girls than boys any day because you're embroiled in argumentation in the class of boys. Anyhow

he picked this girl who was an extrovert he had to pick an extrovert and she said yes I'll do it and this and that. So he sat down and the first five cards

he got one, two, three the way they did it was she sat at one end of the table with her back to him and he sat at the other end of the table

with his back to her and he had the five cards in front of him and she had the 25 cards and as she would look at one he would point to the one no sound and somebody standing

by her afterward would announce which one she had sent and the one standing by him would announce which one he had received.

Now this is a sort of a silly way to do it because you had all these jamming influences you understand? Somebody watching her somebody watching him and they're betting

whether they get them or not and maybe they're hoping they won't. Here's the girl who gave the paper who's hoping they don't get them because it would prove her point. She's a real jamming influence

you know? So there they are and he got the first five and the girl giving the paper stopped it then and said well now this is in the realm of guessability.

Mathematically quite possible for him to guess these. So let's go on. So the next five he got the next five. Well she was sort of flustered then and well she couldn't explain that. Then came the next five

this is fifteen now and he got those fifteen straight. The mathematical odds against this are almost fantastic. And by this time the class was starting to snicker at the whole business

because the girl who was giving the paper was angry. She figured that Jack had worked a sneaky deal on her because he picked the girl he said

you know what? I'm going to give you the next five you see? So then the next five came up which is the first twenty and he got four.

That's nineteen straight and he missed the twentieth. By this time the class was bedlam. He said the whole place was such a disruption he couldn't have gotten

that twentieth. He just couldn't. Then he missed the next five all together. So he got the first nineteen out of twenty-five. And somebody in the classroom

got up afterwards who had attended one of my lectures on ESB and asked Jack what happened to you Jack? And Jack said well I guess I'm just

a little out of practice and let it go at that. But this showed right there now the girl he picked on I know I know he never

had a date with her he never went over to her house she was only a classroom acquaintance of his. There was no collusion between them whatsoever.

It was a very interesting thing. And everybody you know the whole affair is a hoax just a great big hoax. So be it. But it proved

enough to us. Well there you are you can have factual communications but don't start out trying to get it. If you're going to re-tie

body one and body two it has to be done through full faith in anything you receive

or send in the link that you're trying to establish. Now if you don't know what

to do you can get a Ouija board. Now if you do get a Ouija board you know I didn't

I never even saw a Ouija board until months after I made my communications board and I'll have to say with all impartiality that my

communications board is based on much sounder communications theory than any Ouija board I've ever seen. The Ouija board

will work but don't use the sliding thing they give you use a whiskey jigger and make sure that it's

not flat on the bottom it has a dent in it a little dent in the bottom so you can stick your finger in there

and use that to push. Now the best way is to get at least three people maybe four three is good each one of you

lightly putting your finger on the glass now if there are three of you on there two of you will feel

each one of you will feel one of you swears the other two are pushing the other one swears

the other two are doing the pushing the other one swears the other two are doing the pushing

then it's working properly each one of you is contributing just a little bit to this now make certain

you're communicating properly when you call somebody on the telephone you don't just lift the telephone to the person

you want somebody answers you say this is Mary is Evelyn there well no Evelyn isn't here

or yes she's here just a minute so she comes to the phone hello is this Mary Jones yes this is Mary Jones

you know this is Evelyn Smith because that was her number you dialed but she says well I'm glad you recognize

her voice right now this is the function of communication is known as address and identification

never never enter a message of communication link without a proper

address you don't take an envelope and just seal it and put a stamp on it and put it in the box

no you write an address on it so address your message if you want to talk with somebody

I want to talk with Bill Jones I want to talk with William T. Jones in Swackenbach New Jersey well maybe

there are several of those I want to talk with William T. Jones at 2598 such and such a street in Swackenbach

New Jersey now you've addressed your message you say it out loud because this organizes

what's in your subconscious your subconscious will put out the same signal that you speak the only reason that you're

organizing what's in your body to put out the same message that's the one that gets

there well now everybody's on this link you'll have interferers jammers everybody trying

to get in to talk to you when they find out that you can communicate this way

it's there believe me so you start out by saying you've got a clear line you've got

an address and if there is a William T. Jones at that address even if he's somewhere else in Paris France

that address registers he'll answer it'll come back yes you've got it you've addressed

him you've cleared the line you've got him now talk to him no pauses

the minute you pause the interferers come in pretenders will come in pretending to be there will be him

pretending that they're him carry on your conversation zip zip zip zip and when you're through sign off

bye bye don't just leave him hanging there that's rude you don't do that on the telephone

tell him goodbye communications this way can be as reliable as telephones now

if you learn to communicate this way I guarantee you as surely as I guaranteed you about

the twinkling stars sooner or later you'll be conversing with someone who says

he's in a spaceship believe him treat him as if he's telling the truth and worlds

will unfold to you ask him to describe the universe and his existence

to you how many here have seen a mothership that's a rare experience I've seen

two one I saw during a sunset I computed from the angle of

vision from the front to the rear of the thing and where

I was the minimum length of that ship was 10 miles, and the maximum was 50 miles long. They're big. To come that close to a planet is a mistake. Actually, this ship was undergoing a power plant failure. That's the only reason he approached that close. Talk to the crew of a ship like that sometime. They'll tell you that they never go to any planet.

They live out there. And believe me, suppose, just suppose, that we were to create a crime-free, germ-free, ignorance-free society. Where would we create it? What better place? What better place? And if somebody becomes a criminal up there, what do you do with them? Put them down. You don't have to kill.

You don't have to kill them or punish them. Just put them down here. And if you read the Bible, and read the part of the Bible that refers to fallen angels, it makes sense. It makes sense. You remember the part in the Bible that refers to Mary going into the garden where she encountered two men? And presuming them to be the gardeners, she struck up a conversation with them about the gardeners. The tombstone.

And later she discovered they were angels. Remember? What's an angel? What's an angel? He has to be enough like a human being to be taken for a gardener. Doesn't he? But also, I think it's mentioned in there, something about their special raiment that they wore. Well, read this in light of fallen angels and Mary's angels in the garden.

Our earthbound society now makes a little bit more sense to us. Now we know, we know that eternity is a long, long time. We think of it as forever, don't we? We have to think of it in a different light, I think. Because there are two theories. One is the cyclic universe where there is an explosion. And a contraction to a pre-explosion state and then another explosion of the universe that's covering billions of years.

And then a recycling of this. Right now, our universe figures to be about 4.32 billion years old. When it started, I guess it's pretty much an agreement that there was a big bang. That everything blew. What is it? What is it? What is it? What is it?

What is it? What is it? What is it? Well, we see it on a smaller scale when we see an exploding star or an exploding galaxy. What's happening when a star explodes or a galaxy explodes? Let's get back to the planet because it makes sense to us. A planet has an inner core and our planet is 860 miles in radius. An outer core, 1300 miles thick.

A mantle, 1800 miles on top of that. Then we have radiation belts of protons. Protons and electrons. And a mutually trapped magnetic field with this. Now, this structure without the mantle, just the inner core, outer core, radiation belts, protons, electrons, and magnetic, trapped magnetic fields is common to the atom, a molecule, the planet, a blue-white star, a galaxy, a super galaxy, a universe. Just different.

Just different magnitudes of the same power plant structure. An atom, if a neutron, which is in the inner core of an atom, breaks through the outer core, which is the binding energy of the atom, it will split into proton, electron, and energy, neutrino and energy. So, a star, which is in the inner core of its galaxy, will be a collapsed star. When it traverses through the zone of the red stars, which is the outer core of the galaxy,

it will pick up the energy of the galaxy, the binding energy of the galaxy, and explode. A super galaxy breaking out of the inner core of its, I mean a galaxy breaking out of the inner core of its parent super galaxy will explode. That's where you have an exploding galaxy. There was one of these not so many years ago. And it was right toward the core of our parent super galaxy that we're in.

A universe, we feel, when it is born as a big bang, is a collection of collapsed particles on a universe scale, breaking out of its parent universe's inner core, and exploding, and going in all different directions. Now, we don't collapse again, but we meet with particles from other universes, in the inner core of another parent universe, and collapse again.

And there we spend an indeterminable length of time, because there is no time. Time stops. And until that inner core becomes overcrowded, and we burst out again, and have another big explosion again. A rebirth, as it were. Now, when the time comes,

that a universe is approaching the end of its life cycle, or let's say just a part of a universe, here, entering that parent universe, or this part entering that parent universe, or this part entering that parent universe's inner core, if we could, what would we do? If we were alive at that time. Get out.

Get in our little spaceship and go to mamaship, and get out. And go to the next universe. Because now it's easy to do this, because we have the means of propulsion, haven't we? Knowing how to harness collisionless particles, and build a ship that will travel at near infinite speed,

and move to the next universe. Younger than ours. Plenty of time left. There is every reason to believe, that that is how man got to this universe. That man is much older than our universe. To me, the Creator gave us creativity, understanding,

perceptivity, and the will to do, to the extent that we can do this. Now, if we look at the history of our planet, and the history of man on our planet, it's quite a mystery, because it seems that civilization is only about 6,000 years old. This is when the Greek calendar started.

This is when the Egyptian calendar started. But we know man is much older than 6,000 years. What happened? Well, we find Noah's flood in the Bible, don't we? About that time. And this is the science of cataclysmology that I've been working on since 1949. And we've unraveled, I'll give you a quick summary here,

that once every few years, that once every few thousand years, the shell of our Earth, which is only 60 miles thick, shifts around the interior, with the poles going to the equator in less than half a day. When this happens,

the oceans don't want to make that same shift. They want to keep on going. That's why continents moving north to south in that shift are inundated by oceans going east to west. It's not 40 days and nights of rain. That's only a byproduct. It's the oceans rising up and going over. And if you read the Bible,

it says the deep arose. And it's the deep which was the ocean that's talked about in the Bible. It's not the rain that flooded the land, but the deep. Now, when this happens, you don't have a slight flood here and there. You have a wiping out of civilization

to the extent that less than 1% survive. Whoever survives, by whatever miracle they survive, are so dereft of every means of civilization that they have to revert to stone age living in order to survive. This is why the last two stone ages are dated as 6,500 years ago

and 11,500 years ago. It's a funny thing that that 11,500 years ago dates with the sudden disappearance of the Laurentian Basin ice cap in Canada, the sudden disappearance of an ice cap in Australia on the exact opposite end of the globe from that one.

Well, we find that the periods between these inundations are very interesting in that the last one occurred about 6,500 years ago. The one before that occurred 5,000 years before that. The one before that occurred

7,000 years before that. The one before that occurred 10,500 years before that. The one before that, 14,750. As the universe approaches its half-life, these cataclysms become closer and closer together. After it passes its half-life, they start getting longer and longer

between each other again. We apparently just passed our half-life in the middle of that 5,000 year period. Now, the last North Pole, our present North Pole, is the Arctic Ocean. Before that,

the Sudan Basin was at the North Pole. Before that, Hudson Bay, and that was the Laurentian Ice Age. Before that, the Caspian Sea. Before that, Wisconsin,

and that was the so-called early Wisconsin Ice Age. You see, ice ages are not a matter of advancing and retreating ice. They are a matter of relocation of areas of the globe so that ice caps go to the equator

where they melt. New areas are where the new ice caps grow after relocation of the shell. Now, one of the things you will find in your communication is that you will be communicating with people from eons past

who say they have lived in that time, millions of years ago, thousands of years ago. People who say they have died in a cataclysm, such as Noah's Flood. People who can travel in time. You will find that body tools

of people who have died will tell you, yes, I can travel in time. And you ask them to travel back and describe a cataclysm to you, they will. They will. Incidentally,

the two cataclysms the ending of the Lorentzian Ice Age was actually the time of Genesis 1, 2, and 3 in the Bible. Genesis 1 is a near perfect description of conditions on our planet

immediately following one of these cataclysms. And that is what this little book of mine is, The Adam and Eve Story, which gives you the scientific rationale and a retranslation based on prehistoric languages of Genesis 1, 2, and 3.

If you want it, it is back on the table. Anyway, when you start communicating with people in past eras, which you will if you are going to get into this, they will start talking to you

because they want to talk to you. Better understand the past history. Now, as these get shorter and shorter, they wipe out all the civilizations. It takes man, evidently, about 6,000 years just to get back on his feet again as a civilization.

We have only had 6,500 years since the last time, and just think what has happened in the last 50, last 100 years. Just in terms of the improvement of man's attitude toward his fellow man. If you want to follow the advancement of society by a single measure,

there is an interesting way to do it. Follow the attitude of the human race toward woman in childbirth. It wasn't so long ago, in terms of years, that woman was considered as partaking in the most serious and sinful part of her life

to give birth to a child. And she was roasted in front of a fire afterward to purge her of her sins. That was only a couple hundred years ago, three or four hundred years ago. That's not long ago. It was only, I can remember, when an obstetrician was the lowest

in the medical profession. The lowest of the low. Talk about attitude toward other races. Just that alone. That alone. That's just amazing. Well now, if we're going to partake of eternity,

that was part of my subject for tonight, wasn't it? We're going to have to learn that our universe is not an eternity. If we're going to partake of eternity, we're going to have to learn that our body too is going to have to go from universe to universe to survive the collapse of a universe

at the end of its life. Now, I'd like to read to you, if I may, something that was dug out of a temple in Hindustan, written 3,000 years ago, by whom we don't know. It says,

strange noises are heard proceeding from every point. They are the forerunners of the night of Brahma. Dusk rises at the horizon, and the sun passes away behind the 30th degree of the zodiacal sign of Makara. I will no longer reach the sign of Pisces.

The watchers of the pagodas appointed to watch the zodiac may now break their circles and instruments, for they will need them no more. Gradually the light shall dim and pale. Heat shall get less, and uninhabitable spots multiply in the earth. Air becomes more rarefied.

Springs of water dry up. Great rivers see their waves exhaust themselves and die. The ocean now shows her sandy bottom, and plants die also. Daily men and animals decrease in size. Life and motion lose their force. Planets can hardly gravitate

round the sun in space. One by one they go out as a lamp which the hand of the servant has not replenished with oil. The sun flickers and goes out. Another day of 4,320,000,000 human years has passed. Night sets in

and lasts till the next dawn. All seeds of life are reabsorbed into the infinite, which sleeps till dawn. That's a vivid description of the end of a universe. Written 3,000 years ago, in India.

Where did they get that? 4,320,000,000 years as the age of our earth at that time. How accurate! Fantastic! Incidentally, did you know that when the tribe in New Zealand,

the Maori tribe, was first discovered by Captain Cook, they told him about Saturn's rings? They never had a telescope. It was legends from prehistory of their tribe that had told them about Saturn's rings.

I defy anyone to see those rings with a naked eye. How did they know about Saturn's rings? Well now there comes that time when inevitability catches up with us all. One of the greatest equalizers

of the human race is childbirth. The wealthy woman, the poor woman, the intelligent woman, the ignorant woman, are really put on the same plane. But the nothing, nothing

matches the great equalizing effect of the inevitability of death which greets us all. I said greets us all. Because that's a birth. Believe me it's a birth. For the first time

we are forced to recognize the reality of our body too. This temporary temple, this body one, which we've lived with and abused and amused for all of our lives

departs after a few short years here. And this body too takes over. And there we realize all of a sudden that's me. I'm me. I'm here. You're killed

in an accident. That's a good supposition. Suppose we're killed in an automobile accident. The first thing that happens is you realize you're walking around stark naked. And with a thought you clothe yourself, just like that. Did you ever dream as a child

that you had no clothes on? Lots of people do. And with a thought, bang, you clothe yourself. This is the body too world. You say, that's me. But I'm here.

How can that be me over there and here too? It's impossible. Just calm down. Calm down and run a very, very simple test. Take your two index fingers. Make an X. And if you can pass

one through the other, believe me, that's you over there. And if you can't, well that's not you over there. You see? You're still alive. And if you still don't believe it, walk over to a fence post

and try that. These are all collisionless particles, mind you. They'll pass through anything. You see? And if you still don't believe it, wait until the police come around. Walk up to one of them and insult him and tell him he's a no good cop

and anything you want to say, swear at him. And if he pays no attention to you, which if you've done this, he won't. And if you've hit, he'll pay attention to you. But if that's you lying over there, he'll act as if he doesn't even know you.

Now you're in a brand new world. What do you do with it? Where do you go? Maybe you remember a few years ago there was a crash of United Airlines DC-6 and a TWA Constellation over the Grand Canyon. Both airplanes went down in the canyon.

And one of the controllers back here had seen this crash for miles on his plotting chart. Well after we got communicating this way, I was in the aviation, the airline business for some years and one of the things I had done was to study that accident report.

So I was well acquainted with the conditions of the accident. And at the time we instituted these communications, I had forgotten the names of the crews completely. So what I did was to ask for one of the

stewardesses on the United DC-6. Would she please come and talk to us? I addressed my message, you see. And we got an answer. We asked her name. Later I checked and that was her name. And I said,

it was a long time between the crash and when you hit the ground, wasn't it? Between the collision and when you crashed into the ground. She said, oh yes, it seemed like ages. I said, what happened after you hit the ground? She said, well, we sort of

stood around and we were all naked but we stopped that and I don't know what happened or how. Then we stood around and talked for a while. All of us. A lot of people were mad at the pilot. But nobody really knew what happened.

I said, what did you finally do? She said, well, we climbed out the canyon. I said, what? She said, we climbed out the canyon. I said, how long did it take you? She said, about a day, a little over a day. This to me represented

a terrible tragedy. Because you realize that they could have been out of that canyon like that. All it takes is a thought. You see? In this body 2 world, if you want to be in Paris with the thought you're in Paris.

I want to be on Mars with the thought you're on Mars. And the very ignorance of what to expect after death led to these poor souls, I use that term advisedly, climbing out

Grand Canyon. We said, what did you do then? Well, I went home to my family. Oh? And how was it there? Well, I was really happy to see them all, but it was very sad because

none of them knew I was there. And I couldn't communicate with any of them. Finally, I just had to leave. But it's fine now. I'm very busy now. Now, this is something you'll find in the body 2 world.

You'll find this in communicating. Using the communications board you'll find this. Every person at birth is assigned a watcher. You've heard of guardian angels. This is your

guardian angel. You're assigned a watcher. And many bodies have this as a profession through eternity of being a watcher. Find out who your watcher is when you learn to communicate

this way. You'll find that all your life your watcher's been trying like mad to get your body 1 to recognize that your body 2 is communicating with your watcher. You'll find out that there is an awful lot of evil in the body 2 world.

The world of crime survives because of the hidden aspect of the body 2 world. You'll find that there is indeed a central control which if you address as central control

you'll get the best answers from. You can call it God. You can call it whatever you want. But it is indeed functionally a central control. A well fountain of factual information far beyond your anything you could dream of.

It's central control who assigns the watchers. If you find after you join the body 2 world that there are a multiplicity of languages striking you from everywhere you can learn an entire

language in the body 2 world in one day. Because you don't have to relegate anything to your memory. Your memory is you. Think of that. It's fantastic. Well I didn't come here to be a

harbinger of doom by a long shot. I came here to say that really a world beyond our fondest expectations awaits us. And we don't have to die to find it.

It's here and now. Just reach out with full faith that you can partake in it and you'll join it and reap rewards from it.

Thank you very much. I mean after the break. No no let's take a note. If you have questions fire away. Yes right now go ahead. Say that again. This is mental telepathy what I'm talking about.

Mind to mind communications. It's actually what I call body 2 communications is mental telepathy. Is there anything wrong with speaking your question? And yet I can say in principle

that in the body 2 world the closest to it, to death that we approach without dying is the state of being asleep and dreaming. You see? This is one of the things we've learned.

That many times portents of evil in the future come to us in dreams because it's in the body 2 world and there is time travel in the body 2 world. However

we find also that the body 2 world has many many masqueraders kidders joshers who just set out to spoof us because they know we do not

partake of the body 2 world in our body 1 world that we are the most gullible of all planets going. You see? You've fought it. There are so many factors involved

and I can tell you this. I don't know whether this is involved or not but many times something like this comes as a result of religious disruption in the family. This happens an awful lot. Or rebellion

of a sort against parents or it can happen because the body 2 will rebel a lot more than the body 1 will. There are instances of rebellion that will

shake your teeth as to their extremity. I'll give you one. Now this was in the newspapers some years ago and we investigated it by the communications board route. We've done

a lot of other investigating where there have been murders and so forth. And we've always known where the body was before the police found it. The 2 coeds in Texas who disappeared some years ago all of it. Right now

there was a boy in his teenage years who had grown up in a family of a certain religion and he was a good scholar good athlete very well

mannered boy socially acceptable family all of a sudden one day he got on a hill with a rifle and he was shooting everybody. Police cars, everybody. A real rebellion. Now this

actually is in conjunction with a tragedy which we consider the greatest tragedy of all in the body 2 world. Which we have uncovered and yet we have never had let's say completely authenticated undeniable

proof. We have enough indication to believe it. But I have not complete authenticated proof of this yet. But I'll give it to you as if it is so. And that is that whenever a child or a teenager

or a young adult even is subjected to extreme pressures let's say of the religious indoctrination type or the scholastic indoctrination or the heavy parental pressure understand

his body 2 will say literally the hell with this and not wait for the body 1 to die and take off and even assume anonymity

even assume anonymity to keep separated from that body 1 and never go back. And this boy had lost his body 2 to the best we could determine to the extent that his body 1 rebelled

against society completely because all he had been doing leading up to that separation was adhering to what he had been taught in the name of goodness. There is more evil wrought in the name of goodness than we dare imagine. Now this

now let's say this happened to someone that his body 2 took off and left you can imagine now what the conclusion is with respect to this girl and my son's class

whose 7 members of her family couldn't get one card, not one. They were of that same religion as this boy who shot up the place. You don't have to pick on one. I can give you a whole hat full of religions that say

give me that child's mind when he's a child and I've got him for the rest of his life. Why? Of course they buried or separated his body 2. And the direct measure of this or proof is in that the creativity of a child vanishes when his body 2 goes.

Creativity is entirely a body 2 function. I guess the separation of body 1 and 2 you think you've conquered that separation? The way you may have I can't say

but I know this that there is one sure way to conquer it and once the separation has taken place there's one sure way to bring the body 2 back to the body 1. Now we're getting into the realm of prayer. Prayer is a funny thing because

actually it is a body 2 function. If we ask for material things the chances for that prayer being answered are just about zero except by chance. Pure chance. However if we ask for those things

within the realm of the body 2 world or strength perseverance wisdom peace understanding patience if we ask for them

not in supplication if we ask for them without pleading if we ask for them with the full faith that they will be granted which they will be even without that faith

we will receive them. Any doubt any lack of faith does not stop their being granted it stops our receiving them. Now does this fit your pattern? It's in my book

Body 2 Yes The answer to that is pure and simple Yes and to me this is probably one of the greatest crimes of all time

One of the ways to destroy a body 2 is with a nuclear detonation and to me this is the greatest crime of nuclear warfare or even constructive commercial uses of detonations You can destroy

body 2's with those detonations Now the other way to destroy What's that? I'm sorry The other way to destroy a body 2 is almost purely by accident If a body 2 enters

an inner core of a planet a galaxy a blue white star a super galaxy it will collapse because there is no magnetic field in there It will collapse to nothing

and that's the destruction of a body 2 as an entity not the particles in it but as an entity So one of the things I'll entreat you to now

is after your body 2 becomes independent after this new birth we call death stay out of inner cores Stay out of inner cores If you're going to travel through space fine but stay out of inner cores Those are the two ways Now we ran across

something which is almost unbelievable but isn't and that was that central control said that he can reconstruct a destroyed body 2

but not as perfectly as it was before and I think the limit was three times three times and then it's no more but each time a little more deterioration from the individualistic

characteristic of that individual because not every collisionless particle can be put back where it was before or other collisionless particles put into the same formation that was before

so I'm just giving this to you as relaying a message that we receive whether it's true or false maybe we have to wait and see sometime but they can be reconstructed and I imagine it has to be immediate

Central Control's report that we got was that it has to be done immediately after destruction Yes Well I really don't know what's meant by the psychic sheath Do you realize that most of my terminology

tonight has been layman's terminology I firmly I am the most firm disbeliever in the language of exclusivity of any profession It takes any profession and removes it from the human race and makes it the exclusive property

of that profession and you're just not in unless you learn that specific language of that profession I prefer to leave whatever I write whatever I talk about in layman's terminology and incidentally that's what all my books are

The Adam and Eve Story and The Body 2 There was another question Yes Well what LSD does actually take away from the Body 1 but it is an extremely dangerous thing because it opens up

that person's Body 1 to attack by anything in the Body 2 world anything This is why we have these tremendous psychological psychiatric distortions as a result of some of the trips they go on I was up in

Salt Lake City about three years ago and do you know that there are families on LSD up there parents and children taking trips and they number in thousands

and they meet in movie houses and they think this is the greatest mind opening thing they've ever subjected themselves to Believe me, believe me that it's the most dangerous thing because we know that a person's

a Body 2 can enter a Body 2 from a dead person can enter the Body 1 of a live person and refuse to leave that word because it means recreation of meat doesn't it? We know that from the statistical

probability alone you just can never get all the atoms and molecules together to make the same human being that was before So let's assume that it's a Body 2 function we're talking about and I go along with this The only reason that reincarnation exists is that somebody's

Body 2 enters the body of a new person a newborn child or another person and takes over that body and thereby that Body 1 will assume all of the memory, characteristics what have you

of the Body 2 that entered it Well you can say spirit if you want to I use it as an actual description of a physical body, it's there Somebody asked if a Body 2 can be destroyed I said yes, fine Yes

Now a Body 2 or a person's Body 1 at death let's say takes with it all that has led up to that point What you do in the few short years you have your Body 1 is the entire

sum of knowledge, experience frustrations unhappiness, happiness peace disturbance You take that with you into your eternity

with the Body 2 Now you can see where some people take with them enough disruption, discontent to where they just don't want to leave this Body 1 world They want to stay with it and do some more and they would

Well this is one of the things we feel is that this utter peace this complete peace is handed to us after death It's not so We have to work for it and contribute toward it

It's our share of it to contribute toward it If you don't in this life I can't see how you're going to have any of it after you get there Nobody's going to hand it to you This is another thing that I'd like to part with this

Let's make this our last if I may To me the entire concept of seeking salvation itself is a very selfish motive

a very selfish activation It is self-centered He who to me I read this somewhere He who seeks salvation shall never find it He who earns it it will be waiting for him

This is what I'm talking about He doesn't know how to learn where he's going You can learn anywhere to die natural deaths And this is almost documented time after time after time

Crossing the threshold may take some time But in the body 2 world they evidently have people assigned to help you across this birth And time after time a person who's dying

and sort of crossing back and forth across that line will talk to people in the room as if they're there And there are people that that dying person may not have seen since childhood

And my own two grandmothers it was this way And the names that came out of her mouth And that person was standing there and standing there And my father recognized these names as people that his mother hadn't seen since she was a child

And evidently from what we've been able to discern from our communications is that some people are assigned in the body 2 world to go and help that person across and into the body 2 world

Where there is time for preparation this can be done In battlefield deaths in accidental deaths no time for this No time Yes Only that nation

which has a complete disregard for life will push the button There's only one nation with the capability and the will to do that now and that's China Have you read your Nostradamus

You know what he says about China No But they will Both Russia and the United States are too intelligent to do that Believe me Wow No I think we're too intelligent to do that

The mafia wouldn't let them do it Well thanks again It's been wonderful sharing minds with you See you again It deals with communication Now this can be verbal communication which can be of course

telephones, telegraphs television, radio any of these modern inventions It's also communication to automotive industry or the horse and buggy was also a form of communication The ninth house of a chart

would be the chart of the higher mind, the abstract thoughts that the individual or the group would be capable of doing of thinking Also it has to do with religious matters, religious affiliations It has to do with

legal matters It is the civil law of the land or also it is the law by which we live In your own particular chart your ninth house would be your own law by which you live personally As a nation it would be

the laws under which that nation lives As a world chart which this is for the entire world for this century That then becomes the laws that govern the entire century Now that's the ninth house

Now the fourth house is the home It's the foundation the platform on which we build And so this would be the platform being used or being built upon I should say

by actually the entire world So it gives us a very good clue immediately As we look at the third house we know that in this 20th century period of time there would be tremendous activation and development

because you see how occupied that is It has three, four, five planets and a node or six points in one house that is very, very eventful So it tells us

that as Sagittarius is the sign of law and sign of religion It tells us that the people of the world in this particular generation or this particular century rather would be most interested

in religion, in laws Now remember that we are during this century at the turn of the age, aren't we? We are at the turn of the Aquarian age And of course there is some controversy that ranges on whether we've gone into the Aquarian age

or not or whether we're just about to go into it

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It seems to be I would say probably the larger percentage of people who deal with astrology seem to feel that the great satellitium that we had in February of 62 was the thing that presaged

the entrance into the Aquarian age although there are others that disagree with this and I don't think that anyone knows the exact date as a specific time when that would happen But at any rate we know that during our century

we ended one age and we began another one Now the age we ended of course we had the establishment of religion as a mystic concept All the orthodox religions the old orthodox religions

prevailed and they were really in their heyday during the past century Now during this century that becomes dissolved and religion changes The orthodox churches change

We're going into the Aquarian age which is certainly the age of the brotherhood of man It's also interesting to note I believe that Aquarius with its Uranian rulership has much to do with metaphysics

and so don't we see all around us a change the change from the orthodox old mystic religions into a more metaphysical type of thought We're becoming very interested in all things

that deal with higher lines of thought and abstract thought Also I believe there are certain laws that govern humanity Laws that have that were established

not in the last century but many many many centuries ago which are now beginning to change also Now some of those let's deal with that In that third house which is a house that rules the decisions of the century

which is very difficult during this century we have the very first planet is the planet of Uranus Now this is always upset change The upset can be catastrophic

or it can be just something that comes about naturally but it does bring a change and an upset to traditional forms traditional things that were crystallized in the past It's a rebellious planet As far as that's concerned

it will be the ruler of the Aquarian age and as we're entering it look at the rebellions that we have look at the riots that we have in the colleges every place Almost every paper we pick up nowadays has the report of a riot

someplace in the world someplace in this country any place but it's not just localized here it's all over the world We read of it every place now in this particular cycle of our century

There are many strange things that come about under a Uranian influence besides metaphysical thought and rebellions and things like that Uranus has much to do with the automotive industry

automobiles, motors things like that and this century has seen the invention the object which has become now every family has to have one if they don't have two or three and that is the automobile

to get around with to move about with for greater speed Now this is all very Sagittarian you see that we're seeing This planet, this is the Uranian planet and it's in Sagittarius which is a house that has to do with action

and movement and speed and going places and far distant places and it has actually made the world much smaller because distance is not the important thing it once was

It's not an unsurmountable thing as it once was Now we get in a plane and in a few hours we're on our east coast and not too long after that we're way over in Europe and distance seems to be a very little object anymore

That is that Uranian action in the third house of transportation and communication Now then we have Mercury and Mercury is the planet that deals with thought for one thing with messages

with news with all kinds of communication that gets about by air for one thing and we have television incidentally electronics has to do with the Uranian

element that we were just talking about and so we have electronics and we have greater and more original and new ways of communicating to distant points besides airplanes of course but our television

the telegraph wire and things like that We have a Saturnian quality here and this is at 27 degrees of Sagittarius Now whenever we have wherever we find Saturn

we find a certain karmic indebtedness It's where we pay a price It's where we pay or take responsibilities and never do we get away from that Saturnian influence without either facing that responsibility doing it when it comes up

or having to retrace our steps and do it again later on but eventually we'll take the responsibility for that planet and whatever it brings in our own chart So in this particular century a karmic responsibility

has been communicating with one another giving greater communication being able to talk being able to exchange ideas and also it has been towards religion

the change in religion That really is one of the greatest karmic things that you'll find in this century that we have had to face We have another aspect here and that is Lilith

That's this planet Now many astrologers never use Lilith It isn't as commonly used as the other planets It was not known of until in the late 1800s It was discovered only because

the German astronomers saw a shadow crossing the disc of the sun's face and when they did they made a note of it a few years later that they saw it again

in approximately the same place crossing the sun and as they watched it and this is the wonderful thing about scientists they have so much patience as they watched it again and again they found this every six months

crossing that sun's disc and so they charted plotted its course and they discovered that it made and they determined that it was a dark moon and of course it would come between our earth planets and the sun

so they decided that it was a satellite of the earth and as we have the moon which we can see every night also we have a dark moon and that dark moon is Lilith Now the interpretation

of Lilith that varies too there is quite a bit of controversy about that we have one authority who says that Lilith is always negative and can never be positive so her action is always detrimental on the other hand

we have other authorities that say if everything in the universe has a negative and a positive aspect as electricity itself is based upon the theory of polarity so then if everything has a negative and positive

so almost every planet and therefore they do not believe that Lilith can be all negative So I can only say that in my own research on the matter I have done many many charts I am constantly doing charts

for every event that happens to me besides natal charts charts for the birth of people but I do event charts and I think sometimes if you are interested if you are working with astrology at all and you are interested in finding something out

about the nature of the planet you can see what action takes place through that planet and it will give you a better clue and a better understanding of the planet so I have done this with many things

and I have discovered watching Lilith that she can rule all these various things now these are the things that I have determined she rules exposure she rules a certain chaotic condition she rules all kinds of mystic and secretive things

now whether those are adverse mystic things or whether they are positive is not for me to say or make a judgement on but there is a mystery element and a mystic element about her also she pertains a great deal

to the death of children now this is very young children not as they are older but younger she brings a sort of confused outlook and a sort of perception

because people never see things clearly under a Lilith aspect if it is very prevalent in the heavens at the time of an event so therefore I bring that up now because I want you to notice that Lilith was at 22 degrees of Sagittarius

whereas Saturn the karmic planet was at 27 that is only a 5 degree difference and we can easily allow that much orb so we know then that something in communications is kept in the dark in the shadows

and there is confusion concerning it now there are many things we have noted during this century many treacheries in the world haven't we I am not just speaking of things that have gone on in our own nation

or concerning our own nation but concerning other nations too there has been a great deal of treachery and much of it as a matter of fact I feel most of it one of the most primary subjects has been our flying saucer or our UFO movement

has been kept very much in the dark and they have created a great deal of illusion and deception and intrigue concerning that one thing but it also if it grants all these things

that I have just mentioned it also does something else because in a very impartial and personal way it tears the veil from things and so we have exposures and so there are things

that have been noted let's go back to our UFO movement there are sightings that were noted things were made public and although the great effort in the beginning was made to keep them quiet

it couldn't be true they could not do it because during this century there was a great deal of communications to tear the veil aside from a very karmic thing something that had to come

to this particular plane our earth plane some of those things have afflictions to them now by afflictions I mean certain aspects that we use in astrology there is a 90 degree aspect

which is a square aspect this always brings a challenge we have an opposition which is just exactly what it sounds like when two planets are opposing they are in opposite signs and very close within

a certain prescribed orb they are in opposition now this can bring a separation but it can also bring a fulfillment and it can bring a balance and we have some of those Saturn and Lilith

the planets that I just spoke of in the ninth house abstract thought the higher mind Neptune is a little bit like Lilith in certain ways because Neptune also can create intrigue

and illusion and deception things that are fraudulent but Neptune also has the ability to tear aside a veil or expose something now Neptune rules fog and every one of us know

what fog is like when we are out in it there is no question we can't see very far can we sometimes if it is very bad we can't see one step ahead but suddenly that fog lifts for whatever its reason might be

weather wise suddenly the fog lifts and then we can see now this is the effect that Neptune has it creates fog but as the fog lifts then something is exposed there is a new house

the third and the ninth house both of them mental houses one a lower kind of thought and the other a higher kind of thought so it was destined also in this century that we people who were fortunate enough I consider to have been born in this century

should see many changes and much balance being brought about in the form of spiritual matters in the form of new thought new concepts and also things that go

way out and way back now I don't know if that makes sense to you but when I say way out I mean way out as opposed to old type crystallized traditional things and when I say way back I mean that many of our thoughts are going

far far back into the pages of the past and we are gleaning from things that they once knew in the past and truths that had been lost and they are now coming out again

and I think if you stop to think of it you can probably bring to your mind any number of things that we know had been used before one thing is medicine now medicine has advanced science has advanced beautifully

but as medicine advances and many of our antibiotics and this kind of in the drug form of medication also they have gone back very far and now they are beginning to give great credence again to herbs

to natural forms of medication which for a certain period of time were poo pooed and weren't even considered were not used except by perhaps a very small percentage of people but now I was reading

an article in the newspaper just the other day about the fact that they have begun to bring back some of the herbs that they had discarded as being actually a very little potency or very little power for healing or something

now they are bringing them back they are incorporating them in medicine and again we are reaching back into the past and this is an aspect of that Neptune in opposition to the Lilith and the Saturn quality in the chart so many other things will be brought out

that have been known before UFOs again are one of the things because those things we know were mentioned in the Bible how many centuries ago and yet there was a period of time when no one heard about them no one thought of it

no one discussed it if they thought about it they didn't dare discuss it perhaps now again we are reaching back in this century into the past and we are bringing knowledge of that out again into the open so some very wonderful and very spectacular things are really happening

during this century one of the things that we watch primarily for changes are major conjunctions major cycles now we have certain planets that move very slowly and as for instance we have

one cycle, the cycle of Neptune Pluto conjunction which lasts about 492 years that's a long time that's almost half that century isn't it that that will be in effect the last one we had

was in 1892 just a few years before the turn of the century that Neptune Pluto conjunction which happened to be at seven degrees of Gemini now seven degrees of Gemini in this case

would go in this ninth house the house of our abstract thought and our higher mind Neptune and Pluto will bring about all kinds of new chapters in thought

Pluto rules the chapters in life or the chapters in a decade or the chapters in a century the chapters in any chart and it opens and closes those chapters and so that was a promise that came even prior

just shortly prior to the turn of the century that that conjunction took place and when the chart happened when the century began the chart showed that the conjunction would fall in that ninth house

so that was a promise that our thoughts our higher thought would come into a tremendous change in this cycle of time we have other cycles the Uranus Neptune cycle lasts 171 years

now the last one we had of that was of course quite a distance until 1993 and that will occur at 18 and 19 degrees

of Capricorn right down here in the fourth house now again when that occurs that will be just prior to the turn of the century going into the next one into 2000 and at that time

falling in that fourth house you can depend upon it that more platforms are going to be changed and this is the Uranus Neptune drastically suddenly and drastically in 1993 however

I would say that much of it will be because of religious concepts this is the Neptunian quality for one thing and the Uranian quality is the thing that indicates the speed the lightning like speed

with which the change comes now these are the things that happen when we have for instance explosions bombs dropped but I'm not trying to frighten anyone and I don't mean to imply that in that particular year we're going to have terrible bombs or anything

but I mean it comes in that kind of quick lightning like bolt that's the way the change occurs there it's interesting to note going back into the past and I'm a firm believer that we learn of the future from the past

and going back into the past there were cycles of Saturn Pluto remember our karmic planet Saturn and Pluto the opening and closing of chapters also Pluto has a great deal to do with inventions because it brings

it brings in the new well the new chapter of anything but I have noticed that when new inventions come about we do have a Pluto aspect in the chart it will be by its transit

or in the natal chart a nation that's bringing about a new invention or something that their own Pluto in that chart will be aspected so it does have much to do with new inventions so we go back then to September 30, 1914

we had such a conjunction at 2 degrees of Cancer now this was very important for this century that particular one because it would have fallen up in here and directly opposite the Moon of this chart which it was at 2 degrees of Capricorn

now in that period of time we had several of them there was one September 30, 1914 November 1, 1914 and there was another one at May 18, 1915 which fell at 0 degrees Cancer

but that is still within the orb allowed opposing that Moon so it created a balance again and it brought something to fulfillment so what happened to us in 1914? remember what happened?

yeah, World War I World War I now that's very important when it is to our Moon for the simple reason that the Moon here it is of course in the third house but it rules this midheaven

and this line in the chart is the line of destiny so it's a very important axis and so since it ruled that destiny here was a destiny fulfilled by a major conjunction a conjunction of Saturn-Neptune

I'm sorry Saturn-Pluto so during that period of time we did have a war other things came about too in that early phase we had the birth of a man who was most effective in this nation

in this whole world I'm sorry that was Henry Ford remember what he did what he brought to us? however before the turn of the century when he really began to do some work but in the early part of it

I think he had his he designed his first automobile in 1892 but he brought out the Model T in 1914 and that Model T was the thing that everyone had it became quite a common thing and all kinds of jokes made about it

however there's something else he brought about too in 1914 he had by this time bought out he had bought out the Dodge Brothers and it had become purely Ford

and that was the beginning of the Ford dynasty in the automotive industry and in 1914 he brought about something that he was very proud of as well he should have been for that particular time he had determined that

every one of his employees would be paid five dollars a day for an eight hour day and this was not bad in those days and it was the beginning actually of a kind of labor relations which has grown

into the unions that we have now but Henry Ford or his company I'm not saying that he did it personally because I don't know that but his company at any rate was the one that instigated this he was very proud of that achievement

but that came about in 1914 and that was with that major cycle this major conjunction which was opposing and bringing to fulfillment with the moon ruling the destiny of this century

and that moon also has to do with the public the moon in any chart whether it's your own personal or any kind of a mundane configuration has to do with public affairs also he made

he himself made a journey he called it a peace expedition to Europe in an attempt to do something about the war it wasn't successful but he tried now remember that we had one of those conjunctions again

May 18, 1915 and this is the one that fell at O degrees of cancer now an O degree of cancer is considered a critical degree there is an emergency about it and sometimes it does not come to fulfillment

the quality of it but something was begun at that time it was a peace feeler and no other private citizen that I know of outside of perhaps a public official like a president of the United States

or someone appointed by the president but this was the first private citizen who took it upon himself to go to another country trying to bring about a peace movement they're doing it now you hear of it now every day

and there's all kinds of talk about peace, you know, bring peace stop war, burn the draft card and all the rest of it but this was an original this was a brand new thing that came about under that particular cycle now Saturn and Pluto

brought that about and much of it was Henry Ford we have to always understand when we have a mundane configuration like this we must consider the public officials because their charts will fit in in some manner with this particular chart and it will indicate

that that person has a great important part to play during that particular cycle of time and Henry Ford's chart fitted in with this chart beautifully I won't go into that now because you could give an hour discussion on his chart alone

it's such a fascinating thing and there's so much success and achievement in it however, let's just say that it did fit in perfectly with this chart then again we have some other configurations we have Saturn-Uranus configuration

this fell in during the 40s during our World War II and this was in May 3, 1942 and it came about at 29 degrees of Taurus now this would have promised us in this century

a great deal to do with death because it fell in the 8th house and this house is the chart and that is the chart of the house of death it would also show that there would be transition

but that particular period or that particular degree in which that conjunction fell is a degree of much suffering much pain and something to weep about that is the key phrase that we use for that area

something to weep about and so 1942 events many times cast their shadows before and an eclipse or a major conjunction will take place at one specific time but many times it's felt

for a little while before or maybe again it isn't felt until a little bit afterwards but in this particular case it took place early in 1942 and we know of course that we were already involved in World War II by this time

but it brought about deaths and that was Saturn again that was our karmic planet and it was Uranus now remember that each step that Uranus plays in these cycles brings us further to this Aquarian age closer to it

more deeply engulfed in metaphysics each one of them and so for each event that it brings about there is also a very great lesson that we've had to learn on each one of these

and that is Jupiter-Pluto conjunction and Pluto is a ruler besides having much to do with inventions and new things it is a ruler of death and so in June 26 1906

we had a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction at 22 degrees of Gemini which fell up here in this house an exactly opposing Lilith which can bring great destruction in the third house at the time of the San Francisco earthquake

it brought about that now Lilith is not necessarily having to do with earthquakes but she has to do with anything that is hidden that pertains to under the earth

or underground therefore also she can have something to do with subversive action but in this case it had to do with the ground it was a major cycle of the San Francisco earthquake and we know what took place there

we had in 1918 I'm coming a little further ahead but this is also a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction in 1918 was the time that Wilson expounded

on his 14 points for peace and this was the 14 points that he gave that he introduced to Congress and that was in 1918 this he did in January 8th 1918

and we had another major cycle then on August 11th of that same year now each one of these cycles I must explain this to you they happen they take place

when they are exactly in the same point and then as that faster moving planet moves around the circle comes back again to its original point it is always aspecting this slower moving one

and every time it does this something happens it brings about an event so for however long like the first one that I spoke of the Neptune-Pluto which lasts 492 years you can see that every time

in that 492 years that faster moving planet does something to the slower one on the earth plane so you see how many things can be brought in with all of these cycles and so we had

another one that was very important 1919 later on coming right under this same cycle 1919 brought in our Versailles Peace Treaty and at that particular point 6 degrees of Cancer

it fell conjunct within only a 3 degree orb that line of destiny the destiny of our century I think these things are so marvelously explanatory of the things that happen in the century

we have another thing that is going to happen let me see it is a Jupiter-Neptune cycle which will fall at 1 degree Sagittarius and at 2 degrees Sagittarius in 1971

I mention that because that will be 1 comparatively speaking for these large cycles and that will fall on the Jupiter of this chart which is at exactly 1 degree Sagittarius so in 1971

watch for more changes in spiritual attitudes in religion also it will bring expansion in many parts of the globe in a financial way because that Jupiter falls in the second house of that chart

and that is the house that has to do with money so watch for more expansion when that cycle begins it could bring in additional inflation for instance perhaps more than we have known

in the whole century before it is entirely possible it also will bring many changes though in religion and religious concepts because that is the Jupiter-Neptune there are two very spiritual

religious planets and it will fall conjunct Jupiter which is a religious planet so watch for the changes that that will bring in now I have something more that deals more with the esoteric

the spiritual side of it much of this that I have spoken of has been the mundane events and there are many many more those are not the only by any means but I don't think that time permits but there is a marvelous set of

of symbology and it comes from an Indian astrologer the name is Chandra D Manthri I don't know if you have ever heard of him his works are not too well known over here

but he has written degree symbology for various degrees and those things pertain to the chart in a way that I think is you won't believe now you must remember that this chart

is set up for the century but it is the chart of an entity that entity if you can think of this in a collective manner as being one whole group of people under one over soul or one larger

all encompassing soul that is actually what we are on the earth plane through this chart what happens to all of us during this period of 100 years and so we are collectively

the entity of this chart it is the century but it is also us and so whatever I read in these and I will have to read them whatever I read in these will pertain to every one of us

in this room and to every one of us throughout the world now I'm sorry that I'll have to read this but I think after you've heard the first one you'll understand why he wrote these things in such beautiful formal poetic style that if I tried to tell you

or repeat it myself I think that I would miss most of it you would miss most of the meaning of it too because it's really beautiful interpretation so if I may I'd like to read this to you and I will give you the planet that it involves

the very first one is this moon that was at three degrees Capricorn two degrees Capricorn so the first one the first symbology that I'm going to read pertains to that moon which is the public you

and me you and her you and him all of us and this is what it says thou art a wanderer in a wilderness finding a curious ring of which thou knowest not

the magic properties which pertains a great deal to the explosiveness of this particular century in which we live all is not mere physical value take thou the pains to penetrate beyond intrinsic

words ever canst thou push thy mind to greater understandings of life's symbolic mysteries you see we're going into that the metaphysical area of Aquarius thou travelest far but ever

returneth thou to thy homeland thine estate waxeth rulership cometh to thee if of the first half thou possessest deep religious gifts philosophy is thine and thou pleasest thy governors we have very

much that pertains to this we have another one that would be our the nadir of this chart the fourth cusp which is the thing upon which we are established in this century and this is it nature resembleth two brothers

who struggle one with the other for command of an estate which they have inherited one of these brothers is a cold and crafty planner a seeker after riches a bold leader the other is a sensitive and skilled

artist appreciative of music art and literature it's the duality of every one of us and the duality of all people in the world today the one perceiveth the outer things of worldly wisdom the other knoweth life's true

pulse to be the force of love and kindness the one seeth virtue in amassing gold and rubies the other prepareth for a more enduring estate in which the soul can prosper choose well the object of thine affection

for thou canst be swayed thy life is in the public eye thy child becometh strong and mayhap famous thou hast the gift of logic take care to employ it for the good of the many for it is a two-edged sword

have we built on that two-edged sword in this century we truly have haven't we and then we have another one which pertains to the sun now the sun in any chart is the great spiritual

force the spiritual center of the chart and so this pertains to the spirituality of this century and it says standing at the gateway of thine estate thou art a wealthy landowner arguing with the king's

tax collector the estate is composed of many talents in the admiration of government the management of worldly life worldly wealth and thine ability to make thy promotions pleasing much force resided in thy being

for thou for thy will thou canst impose upon others for good or for evil imposing of will i would say has perhaps been one of the greatest factors for difficulty in this century

thy tax collector is thy conscience the messenger of the king of kings who ever knocketh at the door of thine inner being calling upon thee to labor in the cause of beauty harmony and love thou art impulsive in thy good works more steady

in thine accumulations of gain in the latter days thou perceivest what thou must leave behind and countest what thou canst take with thee to that other shore and i think perhaps that this one is the most priceless

one of all there is only one other that has the significance of this next one and this is thou art a scientist on an island awaiting the ship which will take thee home to thy native

land this also pertains to our sun and to our mars in the fourth house of that chart it's the action and it's the motive of the century thou art a scientist on an island awaiting the ship which will take thee home to thy native land where thou

canst complete important work thou hast begun great are thine abilities and never finished is thy labor for thine ideal thou knowest the laws of man and of nature and thy skill permitted thee to make excellent use of thy wisdom

thou art aggressive and thy will is of iron but thou art not independent the ship which thou awaitest is the cooperation of thy fellow man antagonize them not lest thy

results shrink thy child thy love and thy mate are all close to thee be not hasty in the bestowal of thine affections public responsibility is thine the bar of justice knoweth thy face control thy tongue

if thou wouldst attain thine ends and most specifically of all quarrel not with thy brethren I don't know how they could I don't know how we could be warned by a chart any more than this as to the things that we

have done and that we are doing in this century some of them very good and all of them are exposed here all of them are related here and the things that we have done which are very adverse to us are also designated in these readings

I have one more if I may read this to you and because this is well that is if I can find it I have one more yes we always have one planet that rules the chart whatever

the ascendant is has a rulership and the planet that rules this is the planet that rules the chart and so the ruler for this century is Venus which we find down here at

six degrees of Aquarius and it is in what we call a trine aspect so it is a giver of gifts to this century but if the gifts are abused then we pay in the opposite way for it Venus

is a planet of peace and love and harmony and balance but it is also a planet that has to do with war now generally speaking they say that Mars is the god of war well he is there is no question of that

he is a fighter he brings conflict stress and contention but Venus also has much to do with war because she rules the open enemy and Venus is the lady they say that will go to war to preserve peace

and so we have one more thing I would like to say before I read this this particular degree which is the degree they call rising holds a fixed star and that star is Vindimiatrix

and that is the star of great bereavement in a natal chart it is the star of widowhood and many times when it is found in the chart of a woman in specific places in positions it indicates the possibility

that she may be widowed in her life well for a century it is not just encompassing all the people as this one does it is not just bereavement of individuals because many of them would know that

but it is the bereavement of the masses of people on the earth plane it is actually I will say it is a warning and so the ruler of that point is the one that I would like to read

the symbolism for right now PLEDER BEFORE A HIGH COURT ASKING FOR THE RELEASE OR CUSTIDY OF A POLITICAL PRISONER WHO HAS HAD A SCANDALOUS AFFAIR THOU ART PRONE TO TAKE UNTO THINELSELF TOO GREAT RESPONSIBILITY

IN EXCHANGE FOR THE UNPROFITABLE PLEASURES OF THE WORLD MAY HAVE LATER ATTEMPTING TO JUSTIFY THINE ACTIONS RATHER THAN LABORING TO ADJUST THY WAYS THY MIND IS KEEN THUS TEMPTING THEE TO USE ARTFUL RESOURCE

where simple sincerity would serve thee better. Thy marriage is notable and is seen by all men. Its inner factors, as well as the appearances, thou wouldst have them see. Thy mate needs must be of deep quality and attainment. The mate meaning, of course, in this sense, each person with their fellow man. And it is of deep quality and attainment, lest thou be delayed or denied the completion of thy works. Thy manner pleaseth, thy decision is powerful. Let them not obscure thy true worth in the advanced arts of living and of serving mankind.

Isn't that pretty beautiful? I think it is wonderful. And with that, I don't know how I'm doing on time, but it's probably easily an hour having gone by. And so I will stop right now. It's 9.20. Would you have answers, questions and answers later, or shall I ask them now? You'd like to have them later? All right, very fine. Then in that case, I can stop right now, and if you have questions later on,

I'll be very happy to answer them. And I... I may go mention another few things in the chart later when we get back to it. Thanks very much. Sure, and I'm going to remember every point I want to bring out. And when it's done, I sit down and I can think probably of some of those things. And I may be planned in. So, one thing in particular that I wanted to mention is, in degree areas,

we have some, I think, very important degrees. A couple of them are very indicative of problems that we've had during this century. The seven degrees of Aries, which is on this cut, the seventh house, is a degree that pertains to addiction. And it's an alcoholic addiction degree, which indicates then that there would be problems having to do with public people, because that's the seventh house, so it's always the public, other people. And there would be an element of alcoholism.

Then we have another one, which is narcotics, and that is two degrees of Taurus. There are others in the Zodiac. You know, we have 360 degrees and an interpretation for every single degree. And there are others. But another one is the two Taurus, which falls on the eighth house. And this is the thing that goes on with the underworld in the chart. And it is a narcotics addiction degree. I thought you might be interested in that.

One other thing now. When I was speaking of the Jupiter-Neptune conjunction, the one thing that I forgot to mention was that there was a conjunction of those two planets in 1945, and it was immediately at the time of the bombing, the A-bomb in Hiroshima. And this was a Jupiter-Neptune thing. It fell at five degrees of Libra, which is on the ascendant of this chart. The ascendant is always... The physical aspect, the physical body of any chart.

So for a century like this, it would be something that would pertain to the physical earth or to people, physically. And it was the dropping of the A-bomb that came in through that cycle that made an adverse aspect, a square, to the solar center of this chart, the sun. So that bomb being dropped, affected the people, affected the physical nature of the planet itself, and it was a challenge and a testing to the spiritual force of the century. So whether it was necessary or not,

whether it has any beneficial repercussions or not, is not for me to judge. But it certainly was a great challenge to our... to our very spiritual center of this one-hundred-year cycle. There's one thing that Bruce mentioned earlier, back there to me. He was talking about astrology. I kind of wanted to bring this in because I'm always glad to see it. And this is also in keeping, I think, with our Aquarian age that we're entering

and our new kind of thought. He was talking about his astronomy in school. This is in junior high, he said. And the teacher, who is a professor, said, the teacher, who is a young instructor, and maybe he's kind of hip on things, and bringing some new things in, has been giving them things on the signs of the zodiac,

astrological signs. And I was very happy to hear him say that. I hope they'll do more and more of that in the future. Now then, one thing that anyone could apply, if you are astrologers or if you know your chart or anything, one thing you can always apply to your own chart, if the ascendant,

moves faster than the midheaven, you respond to materiality. If the midheaven moves faster than the ascendant, it is your destiny that so much spirituality comes to you that it is difficult for you to keep up with it and to bring it all into manifestation. And in this century, the midheaven of our chart here

moved faster than the ascendant. So that means that we have, we have had some magnificent spiritual opportunities in this century that have been very difficult for us to meet and very difficult for us to keep up with. Let's hope we kept up with some of them at any rate, and maybe perhaps with most of them.

Now, are there any questions that you'd like to ask concerning this chart or concerning the work? And it can be anything in astrology, it doesn't have to be just pertaining to this chart. Yes? What's like some of the signs that Aries missed with? What are some of the signs that Aries mixes with? What are some of the signs that Aries mixes with?

Well, the sign of Leo and the sign of Sagittarius. Do you have a little girlfriend in either one of those or one of your buddies or something in one of those? You get along very well with them if you do. Leo and Sagittarius are two of them. Okay? So many prophets are ascribed to planets and certain in this diagram.

Now, what is the rationale, the qualities of the planets? How did this come about? How did it come about?

[02:40:44] Questions and closing discussion

Well, as far back as ancient records go, they have recordings concerning the planets and the planetary influence. Now, some of those were, excuse me, some of those were ascribed to superstitions in the ancient days. And they said,

oh, but this is not true, it's just a superstition. And we've gone through many cycles in astrology because there was a cycle of great belief and then there was a cycle of disbelief. There was a cycle when some of these things were practically thrown out as some of the other metaphysical concepts have been. And this is a metaphysical subject.

And then later on, as we came closer to the more modern areas of time, the astronomers themselves have charted the course of the planets and they have watched its influence and what happened. Now, astronomers, by and large, the more scientific of the astronomers,

have denied the validity of astrology. They say that it doesn't work. But actually, astronomy is a child of astrology. There was astrology first. And then there was astronomy. They were the same thing, you see. The same thing that they said about chemistry, of course.

The child can be first in chemistry. Right. But they are as different as that night. Yes. Well, this is too, of course. However, one came from the other. And so that the things that were charted and watched, observed in the first place,

had to be put down in record and had to be brought forward through the centuries, through all these long periods and cycles of time. But now, in more modern days, they still chart the planets in their courses and they still know that, for instance, let's take the moon. They know very well what happens to the Earth force

from that moon. They know that it controls the tides. And that they agree with. There's no question about that. Well... That's just what I'm saying. What I feel is that, the way you describe it,

I think it's mostly just that any physicist or astronomer or mathematician would agree that the physical effects of the planet, or rather the effects of the planets on mankind will be purely physical. Because they have the influence of affecting gravity

and any material substance that flows from liquids. I'd say the moon affects us definitely because we have fluids. Do you think that... In that sense, it would affect us. And it would affect us probably our...

how light we feel because the gravity of the moon would be felt added or subtracted to the gravity of the Earth depending on what position the Earth is. Yeah. But... When it comes to spiritual effects

of the tides of the human or on Earth, that is the thing that I'm most interested in. Well, you know that the... that psychiatry is now beginning to think in favor of astrology. Did you know that? Were you aware of that?

I read something. Yes, they are. Because they have found that when certain aspects in the heavens take place, their patients react in a specified manner. And so they're beginning to give credence to it. They believe that it has much to do with it.

Especially the moon, of course, but all of them. But in different ways. And by observation is the way they have learned now what each specific planet will do or what influence it has. But the greatest mistake, I think,

is people believing or is for people to believe that... that astrology is fate. It's fatalistic. And there can be no answer or no other way out of it. Because there are things that happen

and they happen in such a manner that it could not be controlled by the force. For instance, the forces of nature. We know this. But there are things in your life and in everyone's life that you can control.

Now, the aspects in the chart, as they come about, will produce a potential for something. But you have a control over it. You have a control over that. So if you believe that astrology is purely fatalistic and that there is no way out of it,

if it says you're going to fall and break your leg or this or that is going to happen, that you can't control it in any way, then that is not using astrology properly. There's another way it's misused, I believe, and that is, for instance,

when people are... become so reliant upon astrology that they will not do anything on their own. They will not make a decision without consulting their astrologer first and finding out whether they should do it or not. If they look at their ephemeris in the morning and it looks bad,

they won't get out of bed. This is ridiculous. This is fanatic, of course. And the idea of them using it to make their decisions is simply the fact that they're using it for a crutch, which is not good.

It was never intended in that way. There is a way it can be used, and that is that if everything is organized on this earth plane, everything that comes... not the earth plane, the whole cosmic,

if everything is with a divine course and plan and organized in such a manner, then everything has to fit together. And so the planets, in their aspects, have to fit together with life upon the earth plane, too. Not in a way to cripple it, but in a way to point a direction,

to be used or to use it as a guide. That's the purpose, really, of astrology, to be used as a guide. When it's used for a crutch, it's not good. That's right. It's a chemical reaction.

It's a movement around the fluids, because the moon, it has its effects on the tide. So it is with the fluids in the man. It will warm around in such a way that... Probably some chemical reaction will take place because if the fluids are not

in some part of the body, something is going to take place... They know positively, in psychiatry, they have been able to chart the course of schizophrenia and paranoia. And that is many times

chemical imbalance within the body. it produces a certain effect which again in turn produces effect upon the brain upon the mind so it's like chain reaction you see and one affects the other so in the end the physical body is affected or the action the psychological action of the person is affected but all of it comes from certainly a very divine plan and just as one more example and then we'll have to get on to other questions when there is a new moon when they have certain specific things and particularly if it's an eclipse in many of the mental institutions they will double the guard they will put on more help more nurses more interns there because they know what to expect they know

what's going to happen now you can whether it's the moon or whether it's any other planet there is definitely an effect that comes upon the earth plane from it so um we can go on later on but i would like to get to some other questions you you you I just want to say one thought that came to me on that was all of us here here in the understanding group and Dan Fry is one of the men who has claimed there's life on the planet

and if we think that planets are inhabited why couldn't the spiritual and mental quality of the planet also affect us it does for instance the person is affected by the planet and the planet is just not going to stay alive and stretching our mind out further we also be influenced by the pop patterns and spiritual wisdom of theangles that we were brought into contact with well the influence of planets as I understand it is actually vibratory rate and right it can be sod and the vibratory rate can affect anything vibrational and physical activity itself is great but we adults has just lost our little parts living with our minds in our mind telling us values are sangre yi

in which we can sensebut there's no way we can lie four that's all right well how many times have we been drain the courtyards of the planet? there's no body speaking the leaders letter a minute ago there is an environmental issue that we would say no teamwork on vibration can be so intense that it can break something we know that this for instance you play a musical instrument of a particular kind or a special note and it can break a glass someplace that's a vibration and in the same way that that takes place the planets also give off vibration it's electrical magnetic energy vibration and so it does affect things at great great great distances not just within a short space of it and so that for one thing that's

one of the things that make it so valid as far as I'm concerned another thing is that if you watch it in the chart and read the chart you'll know what happens as for instance we know the effect of Mars simply because we watch it in a chart we see what happens when Mars is transiting around comes to a particular point in your chart you fight it affects the adrenal glands you fight it affects the adrenal glands that adrenal just becomes stimulated the gland becomes stimulated and the adrenal flows through the system and is fight-or-flight there are other ways how

many ways do we have of expending aggression within ourselves or of expending energy or temper or any and this is really what the Mars action is it's energy it's an energy action it's not just temper per se what do you think caused the Atlantis and Manuria going down was there something new, some great thing that is affecting it? did it come from within? or was it something on our planet that caused some energies from others that can cause it?

think if astrology is valid and if it operates now it had to be operating then so I have no doubt that there were certain configurations in the heavens that were bringing certain vibrations upon those particular localities now I don't know what they were because I have no idea of where the planets would have been at that time I couldn't speak knowledgeably on that at all but as our concept of astrology is now that civilizations rise and fall and they do so under specific vibration from the planets in relation to their own beginnings as a nation so as a country as an island as a continent or whatever

they consider Lemuria mu atlantis to be then it must have had natal stars of its own and it must have been operating differently along with those stars but along with that I think we have to take into consideration that humanity has a certain destiny of its own to work out and humanity also has free will the choice of decision to make and as far as their development was concerned I think Atlantis was supposed to be very highly developed at that particular period of time and yet there must have been other

energies that brought in certain negative aspects which they succumb to because that is what they say brought the downfall of it the negation of the people themselves however as I say I can't speak knowledge you knowledgeably from the standpoint of the planets because I have no idea where the planets were in that ancient time in when 1976 although we have some we have some real heavy ones that come up in the future there is I've charted some of these that go up to now until I find them 1988 and that's the Saturn Uranus conjunction that will take place in 1988

at 28 degrees of Sagittarius now as far as this is concerned it falls right on the Saturn of this chart so I would say I would say it's it's a karmic a karmic element enters in a karmic vibration a karmic thing I in the 70s the 71 yes I'm sure there are however I didn't I only gave I only typed up one page of these and there are many others but I typed up what I thought I could cover in this period of time yes there are there are some in 1998 also the

the aspects that come up in 8 in 1989 are very very important 1989 this is the Saturn Neptune so it is the teacher for one thing Saturn is always the teacher in the disciplinarian and Neptune is the mystic quality that the thing that comes from way out and that vibration takes place in 1989 and it will take place at 10 and 11 degrees of Capricorn which is right on the Sun of this chart I think that's significant it's a spiritual the spiritual force of the century yes I'm sorry you said that a while ago in 1993 there was a bit of change it would be

suddenly drastic now that could be something that she's talking about back here that's very possible that's very possible would that be a mystic quality? that's a Uranus Neptune aspect 1993 Uranus Neptune together now you know they believe now that astronomically they have charted the fact that the Christmas Star was a major conjunction of that ancient time and then it was composed of Jupiter which is the religious star of Saturn

which is Tauric which is a religious star which is the karmic and the teacher and the disciplinarian and it is the thing that regulates and crystallizes things brings things into motion and into organization and there was also Mars added to that and Mars all that that always surprised me when I read it when I first learned of that because Mars being the warlike planet I thought this was a man who brought peace why was Mars there what was the purpose of Mars but there had to be a Mars action because there was a Mars action taken in his life wasn't there so it had to be

yes yes how come you don't have areas as one first house I'm used to have an area of one and then used to having what areas over here is the first house well that's the natural wheel you're talking about the natural zodiac always has Aries in the first house but this is a natal this is like a natal chart it's set up for a particular hour and so when it is set up for a specific hour it can have all any one of the twelve signs on the first house oh I see what's the mountain what do you call that planet in the second house Jupiter

this one yes looks like a person now Mr. Goldberg could you have a your hand up a minute don't yes how do you have it spelling of this LILI LILI LILI th LILITH LILITH I can tell you something very interesting about lilith i had to do a great deal of research on the subject of the temple the temple chimney which is a Lilith a couple of years ago because I gave a talk at a national convention for the AFA and that was the subject they asked me to deal with so in running down all the information I could on Lilith I discovered that in Hebrew tradition and actually it's in their Talmud in their ancient books of law Lilith was

mentioned in there as Adam's first wife not Eve but Adam's first wife but Adam and Lilith were at that time not physical beings they were spiritual beings upon the earth plane and she was of a demon this position this is what they this is their legend at any right and she was of a demon disposition and so she brought such havoc into the Garden of Eden into paradise that things were very unpleasant there and the reason was because Adam felt that because he was he was symbolic of the God force in the fact that he was a masculine force on

the earth plane and she felt because she was a demon princess that she should have been the ruler and so there was a great deal of dissension there and Lilith uttered some kind of phraseology at any rate she left the Garden of Eden and as she went out she walked towards the Red Sea she went in that direction and three of the angels some angle often two others were sent after her and they were ordered to plead with her to come back but she refused she was adamant and wouldn't come back and so then Adam pleaded with God to give him another mate because he was very lonely

and this time they took a rib from Adam and made Eve and Eve was created and Adam had been in the first place been humanized by this time he had become heavier and was a being and that is and a solid being and so a rib was taken from his side and Eve was created and she was then his actual first and she was then his actual first mate as a physical mate and at that point Lilith when she discovered this was just wretched she just felt terrible and she was going to throw herself into the sea and commit suicide and so then these angels who had gone for her

repented and they said that she could she would live and she would have children she would not be able to have children because she had wanted some so badly because she wanted to go back again to Adam and so that she could not have children but that she would be given dominion over all human children born the first eight days of their life and so the ancient Hebrews put charms around the necks of their children and they bore the names of these three angels and they used to keep those around the necks of the children because they thought it gave them good luck and protection

against the evil forces of Lilith then Adam and Eve were driven from the garden eventually and this recounting is in the the forgotten books of the Bible the lost books of Eden the forgotten books of the Bible do you have that here in stock? well it's a fascinating book

and it tells the story where the King James Version of the Bible leaves off with Adam and Eve that goes on and tells the story of what happened to Adam and Eve after they left the Garden of Eden and Lilith was very much involved with that and

well that's a very interesting story I would recommend that book to anyone to read that one passage if for 90 minutes you kept pointing over here to the first or the 12th and I said was that Libra and you mentioned Vindimitrix

Vindimitrix, yes I got confused on that what did it affect it brings bereavement in a natal chart of a woman it can bring for instance in a certain placement it can bring widowhood

but in a chart like this that would be for a large cycle and for all the people it is a bereavement aspect so that there would be great bereavement sorrow and loss of life and loss of things that were held very dear in this century

well how did you did you associate it with a third house you said 41 I think you mentioned 41 was it 1941? that's the year you mentioned 45 45

45 we had a major cycle it fell confirmed that ascendant and that was the atom bomb that was the dropping of the atom bomb well if not opposite 3 how do you it doesn't have to be

it's the ascendant it's the point of manifestation the ascendant of a chart is always the point of birth so it is the point where an entity has become manifest upon the earth plane and for a century for a period of time

a cycle of time like that that ascendant is the point of birth is the point that that century began that it began to operate and be effective are there indications on that chart

of any earth changes in this country or on this here here well this is not now I would have to Lee I would have to set that up

for Los Angeles to tell you that to see this is set up for Greenwich, England so that it affects the whole world because the Greenwich Meridian you know it's not a green is O degrees and so that is supposedly the center it marks off the east and

west and anything that's set up for a world influence is set up at Greenwich and then if you want the locality I would have to redo it and bring it out here and that isn't this isn't set up for that you didn't set up for California and here's where we are well because I think that we're on the earth too and this is supposed to be for everything that happens during this century on the earth on the earth one thing but it's a case he made certain predictions about California and I'm wondering if you can go to that at all if I hadn't run to that in this particular one I don't

know oh yes I know about the prediction yes well I know well I'll tell you something if you remember in 1962 when we had that big satellitium and everyone was running for the hills and only just about a year or two years ago they did the same thing over in India they were predicting that we were we were going to have a terrible cataclysm on this earth plane and out here there was a particular person who took some of her followers and went up into the mountains because she said this was going to drop off if I could see it or thought I could

see it I wouldn't say I think this is very dangerous to begin to predict things like this because it causes a very chaotic thing it brings fear into the minds in the heart of people and I think it's well I don't think it's wise it's part of why I think that's true And then Gene Dickinson made this practically the same. And I thought that you might have some ideas on that. No, I wouldn't make a prediction on a thing like that. I really wouldn't.

Why not? That's just my opinion. Pardon? You'd just get out of the country. That's right. I'd leave. But, however, I will say this, that as this changes, and it will through the century,

through that 100 years, this will progress. And as it progresses, and it doesn't progress at the rate of an exact degree per year either, as it progresses, all of this comes down here and goes further up here. So that most of this is moving away from this angle, which is the Earth.

This is the point of a chart that you watch for, for earthquakes. And if you have a Uranian influence that falls close to that, then watch. Watch it for that period of time. It can bring tremors. It can bring minor earthquakes. It could bring major earthquakes,

depending on the other aspects to it. But it's a Uranian action to that fourth house. And that's what you'd watch for. You mean on that certain year, you have to watch that bottom, that east to south line, just for that year, or for that date, you mean?

You'd watch it for a time when Uranus was making an aspect falling right on that. It would have to be very close to that. And it won't be back there again for a long period of time. But that's moving all the time. This wheel is moving constantly. But remember what I said. It's not set up for California.

So you couldn't use this and look for an earthquake in California in it. What about that influence you said in 1906? Did that do the occur again? The 1906. All right, let me find it here. That was a Jupiter-Pluto that fell at 22 degrees. Now, it won't fall there again, you see.

We will have others. We've had more. We had one in 1956. But that fell at 27 degrees of Leo. And then we had another one in 1956 because those planets will go retrograde and then come back again so that they can make two conjunctions, for instance, in a year.

And that was at the same point. Well, can there be earthquakes under other conjunctions? Yes, there can be. That was a Jupiter-Pluto. There can be. The Venus-Pluto is very powerful for that. That's the prediction in San Francisco. Uh-huh.

The same as ours here. But you see, then, you have to set this chart up for every locality, so you can have hundreds of charts set up for every locality, any place that you're concerned with or interested in. It could be Los Angeles, San Francisco, on the East Coast, in the Middle West, any place you want. But all those charts would have to be set up separately for that locality to be valid.

And as much as we still have 30 years left on this century, does it show anywhere prospects of peace in the next 30 years? Yes, I think it does. I really think it does, but I don't think it's close by now. I think it is more towards the more immediate end of the century. Have you ever compared Nixon's chart with this world chart? Uh-huh. Does he fit in with it?

He sure does. He's Capricorn, you know. And he has a Virgo ascendant. And he fits in with the Capricorn. Here, you see, this would be the sun in Capricorn. Naturally, it always is at the turn of the century for us. Remember, that's for the Christian world, too, because then the other calendar styles, you know,

for the Jewish New Year was in September of 1899. Uh, previous to this. Ours occurred January 1st, 1900, and their new year began in September. I think it was September 26th, if I'm not mistaken, before this. And so, for their century, for the thing that they would live by as a century cycle, would not be this chart. This is for the Christian. How do you reconcile that and what will be will be, I would think?

It's for them as to what they have. And I'm not speaking of earthquakes. I'm speaking of their evolvement. And it will show their evolvement as a class consciousness. You see, as a group of people, it will show their evolvement. Ours, for our Christian area, is this. It's our evolvement. But you'd be surprised how they tied in, because I did that one, too.

And it ties in so closely with this one, because it's amazing. Yes. Any other questions? Has anyone ever made a chart of another planet, like this planet here, say, with Saturn? Has anybody ever saw the possibility of projecting the idea that, suppose we're on planet Saturn here,

what would be the influences from the other planets on this planet, Saturn, like we were discussing this planet earlier? And they wondered about that. Well, you know, the astronauts, they would like to have charted a chart for the time that the astronauts landed on the moon, except they don't know, they didn't have the calculations of the planets in relation to the moon,

which would have to be different than ours. You see, this method that we use is geocentric astrology. And it is presuming, and I say that in that advisedly, too, it is presuming that we are the center. We know we're not. The sun is the center of the solar system, right? We're presuming that we are the center,

because we live on this planet. And then we set the chart up for the relation of all these other planets to the Earth planet, you see. Actually, the true one is heliocentric, because then that gives the relationship of all the planets, including the Earth planet, to the sun, which is rightfully the way it should be. But we don't live on the sun.

We live on the Earth. So we want to know where those planets are in relation to us, where we're living. And that's why geocentric astrology was devised. And that's the one that they used in ancient days. I don't know how they would... I'm very sure it could be done, but then they would have to take their telescopes

and go to the other planet, I imagine, or maybe they wouldn't even have to do that. I honestly don't know, because I'm not an astronomer. But they would have to go through a whole series of setting up a different... set up ephemerises to have those planets related to that particular planet, Saturn or the Moon or whatever it might be.

That's what they're planning, when they have these space planets where they will have exploratory... Yeah. ...all types of things in this one of the projects. They'll have to do it. They'll have to be some way they do it, because none of our systems are set up for that.

Did you, by any chance, come to our lecture years ago, where... Yes. ...you remember that he said... The zodiac? ...they took jets up high over this area and they plotted the land, and it was all the figures of the zodiac.

Yes. They had formations in the signs of the zodiac. Twelve of them were around. Yes, I remember that. I was fascinated by that. I would just love to see them. That was... If anyone is interested in astrology,

that was a marvelous lecture on that particular thing, and he was going through it. Yes. I'm going to have some copies made up of that lecture, and I don't know whether he ever did or not, because I didn't hear. I wanted one badly. He finally did.

He did? He had a very tight schedule, but people that did make a donation for receiving one, they finally did get it. They eventually did. I thought they'd be, you know, like probably more of them available, and so I didn't sign up for it.

He had such a lecture tour scheduled, and the case where his time wasn't his own, and he became involved in the printing, which is quite a big undertaking, because he hadn't planned this. There were so many people, we had to turn away from that. Such a marvelous lecture on that.

And that's, of course, I don't know whether you are aware that the British Isles has been really a great center of astrology in the past. In the ancient days, it was. That was one example of it. But there have been others, too, that they have found. For instance, in the well that he mentioned, you know, as they went down in and found symbology in there,

some of that symbology were planetary symbols. And I don't think they know when they were even put there, do they? It was so ancient. Would you like to explain why you named your school the Iona? Oh, I don't mind. In ancient days, off the coast of... England, there was an island. It was named I-O-W-A, Iowa.

And the ancient Celts came to that island. They migrated there and they settled and they built a great monastery there. And in that monastery, they taught all of the mystic teachings, all of the secret mystery teachings.