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1970 Giant Rock Convention George Van Tassel Jim Mosley Publisher Of Saucer News Frank Stranges Vern Cameron On Dowsing Janice Klever

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [19:57] Main address
• [01:00:58] Development of the main themes
• [01:30:54] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

Maybe I could comment something about my reaction to the present UFO scene. Many people say that there aren't too many saucers around anymore. Of course, I didn't agree with that, because I'm getting as many reports as ever before for Saucer News, which I publish. I think one of the reasons is that maybe the press isn't quite as interested in the UFO phenomena as they once were. I do think that from talking to a great many of my colleagues and reading some of the new books that are coming out, that even if the saucers are declining in quantity, that certainly as far as quality is concerned, they're still very good. In fact, there's a great deal of thinking out on this subject from some very intelligent people,

such as Mr. John Keel and Dr. Villain, who brought out recent books on this subject. And it's strange that these very scientific people are now beginning to think, not only be convinced of the reality of the UFO, or flying saucers, but that they are thinking along the lines that many of us have thought about and sort of preached about here at John and Rob for years and years. And there's some very new, intriguing thoughts going out about interdimensional saucers, which interests me very greatly.

And I'm not scheduled, so I'm not going to make a speech. But again, just let me express how happy that I am to be here at John and Rob and to have this rare opportunity to speak briefly to you. Thank you. I'm now a colleague of Gray's who came from the East Coast with him. And Jim has been here before. I want you to know Jim Mosley. Thank you very much, Ben.

It's nice to be here. I don't know how many of you remember me. I've been out maybe four times over the last 17 years. I used to publish saucer news, which I sold to Mr. Barker about three years ago. And the only thing I do now is to lecture to colleges around the country. Unfortunately, these bookings are not as frequent as they used to be. And I guess to a large segment of the public, at least, the subject has died out to some extent. But I think it's a wonderful thing how these meetings at the Rock continue year after year.

And how the interest is kept up, at least, in Southern California. I came out here last night to take a look around and to help Gray get the book stand set up. And I had a very peculiar experience. I don't want to give his property over for these meetings. I don't think he makes anything out of it. I think it's just a wonderful tradition to have a great big hand for George Van Tassel. Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, Jim Moseley, and thank you for the hand.

Jim and Gray have a stand over here selling books. If you want to meet them personally or discuss anything with them, they're over there at their book stand. I want to bring a man up here. Have you ever heard of Jay Adler Lee? I don't want to bring another man up here if he's here. Max Miller. Are you around, Max? He's probably out of touch with the loudspeaker system. I'll get him up here later.

Franco Strait. Frank Stranges. Are you around? Le Grand Franco. How many of you heard Frank Stranges before or read his book? You like him, huh? He has a way of presenting things that certainly nobody else has. And I like his dynamic method. So without any further ado, I want to give you Frank Stranges.

I'm very happy to be here this afternoon to share with you several things that have happened during the past year. First of all, it seems to me we're in the year of our Lord, 1970. How many of you since last year's convention have seen any unidentified flying object? Maybe besides those that are thrown around at home. Let's see, about five to six hands. How many on this side? Three, four, five. Okay.

How many of you are still looking? Say aye. Aye. How many of you don't give a hoot yet whether you see them or not? All right. I'm glad to have you here. I have a copy of the United States Air Force official magazine called the Airman. And in this magazine, for two months running, they have printed an article of what the United States Air Force actually knows about flying saucers.

They haven't called them UFOs, but flying saucers. The article is in two parts. And part one will appear in our next newsletter, which comes out this month, the official newsletter of the National Investigations Committee on UFOs. If you would like further information about the committee, visit our booth over here to my left. And we'll be very happy to give you a brochure on the purposes of the National Investigations Committee on UFOs. To go back just a little bit, we also have a copy. This is a copy of the Symposium on Unidentified Flying Objects, which has not been available to the general public, which covers the hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, United States House of Representatives.

We make quite a few references to this amazing volume, including the statements made by Dr. James Harder, Associate Professor of Civil Engineering, University of California. He was one of the top scientists called in to give testimony about UFOs. And he concluded his statement by this one fascinating conclusion. On the basis of the data and the ordinary rules as presented in the ordinary rules of evidence, as will be applied in any civil or criminal courts, the physical reality of UFOs has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Thank you.

But you and I know better than that. There's no such thing as UFOs. We've just come out here to enjoy the sunshine. Isn't that right? I'm glad you care. Now, one of our men on our photography staff back in New York made a statement to the press, the New York Times, and the Daily News, and the Daily Mirror, before it went out of existence. And he said there are no such things as UFOs.

There are only people who think. They have seen. Do you need a microphone up there? I love you, too. All right. Everybody love each other here, say aye. So good. We're in good company.

Very good. Now, I've got an announcement I'd like to make. Two announcements, in fact. The first one being that tonight at sundown, we're going to have an opportunity to show a full-length motion picture film in color concerning flying saucers. It'll be shown someplace around one of these rocks, and as soon as we determine how we can get a bed sheet up against the rock.

It's a full-length feature film called Phenomena 77. It's a revised version. And in the film, we also have Dr. Daniel Fry, Mr. Carl Anderson, and also the scientist, Chan Thomas, who I understand will be speaking here tomorrow. Now, my second announcement involves a young lady who has driven here, clear from my... She's in Miami, Florida, and she's in a white camper directly where I'm pointing. Her name is Nell Westergaard.

And those of you who met her two years ago remember that she's the lady who has an amazing clairvoyant gift. And she's been giving readings throughout the United States, and if any of you want to meet with her, she's parked right directly over here in the white camper. She's got a huge map in the front of her camper, a map concerning what she calls the United States, and she's got a huge map of the United States of Aquarius. I found it a very interesting conversational piece, and I'm sure that those of you who are interested in this sort of thing will be very happy to meet with her.

All right, now, so much for the preliminaries. Let me ask you a few questions before we get down to the meat of this thing. During a recent university and college tour, we found to our amazement that many people were stating that God was dead. Now, this philosophy started some years ago. And even one professor said we have no valid evidence to prove the existence of God today. But don't you believe this because it's false. God is not dead.

I talked to him this morning, and he sounded pretty good to me. How many of you still believe in God? Say aye. Aye. All right, now, I realize I'm speaking to a mixed group today, those that are believers, those that are unbelievers, and those that are on the borderline. I wish to achieve one important... thing in my talk today, and that is that I've had the privilege to speak my piece and to speak my mind.

And I would also like to go on record as stating if anyone would like to take any opposing view as to what any of the speakers say here today, that you approach Mr. Van Tassel and ask him to give you a little time before this microphone so you can give your point of view also. I would like to get real basic with you today because I've done... I've done some research and study and investigation on the things that I'd like to call to your attention. First of all, knowing that we have different minds, different mentalities, people on different levels of consciousness here today, we're going to try to aim right directly in the center and just put it where it is.

Incidentally, a question was asked a few minutes ago, what about your book, Stranger Abode? Well, the book is still here. The motion picture script will be finished on Tuesday, and God willing, we should go into full production within 10 days. And by this time next year, or before that, we hope, you will see in your neighborhood screen a full length motion picture film called Stranger at the Pentagon,

which deals with outer space, UFOs, science, hippies, plugins. We've put in the whole bit and mixed it all together, and I think we're going to come out with a decent picture. All right? Love you. Last year, we met on the other side of this rock. How many of you were here last year? May I see your hands? Raise them high.

Let me just take a quick valley. How many of you folks were here last year? Okay. The year before, and the year before that, and the year before that, clear back since 1954, we have been noticing a tremendous change taking place in the lives and the lives of people. That's a big change. It's a big change. of the individual people who have come out to this convention.

We've seen how systems have changed. People have changed. Government outlook has changed. The economy has changed. Today, people are more concerned than they have ever been before in the history of mankind. I've come to the conclusion that during the many years that we've been coming here, something has been happening.

Thousands of years ago, way back in what we call Old Testament days, men used to get themselves off to one side and go into what they called at that time very deep, sincere meditation. They used to attempt to contact the great I Am, the God, the creator of the universe. When Martin Luther began the Reformation back in Germany, he found that he also,

with those who were called his followers, were able to enter into a closer walk with the Almighty by closing out everything and everybody and going into deep meditation. How many of you know what I'm talking about by deep meditation? Now, lady, would you please do me a favor? Don't scream like that. You scare me. You make me lose my train of thought.

I don't want to earn my pay today. Thank you. You're welcome, dear. Now, as an individual, come on. Come on. Hurry up. Get your bottle and run. Yeah. I don't want to interrupt you. Go ahead.

Fine. You're welcome. God bless you, too. Now, want me to help you up the rock? You won't want to go the way I want you to go up. All right. Now, as these people desired to find out what in the world was happening to them, they found it necessary to enter into

what they call this area area of deep meditation. Now, at sundown, people found it very important to allow themselves to be cut off from everything and everybody.

Others tried it at sunrise. And some found the tremendous success in reaching the higher vibration in the morning rather than in the evening. Now, how many of you find that your mind is clearer in the morning than it is at night?

Some folks do. Others like to walk in the cool of the evening. The good book tells us that Adam and Eve did walk with the Almighty in the cool of the evening. Now, what I'm getting at is this. In our travels throughout Europe

the year before last and last year through France and Germany and England and several other countries, we found that the very same thing is existing in Europe as is existing here at Giant Rock in the good old state of California.

From east to west, from north to south, things are happening. Something is moving within the individual to cause them to look within themselves for an answer

to a very, very vast and important question. There is one way that I have found. Maybe you've found some other way. That's all right. No argument. But there's one way that I have found. There's one solution

I think I've been able to come to that has convinced me beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is an answer. First of all, there is confusion reigning throughout the United States today.

I listened to Brother Jess Unruh the other day and I switched the TV channel and listened to the governor of the state of California. There is one fellow calling another one a crook and the other one telling the reason why he's not. There are congressmen and senators

that wave the flag with one hand and ridicule the other. There are congressmen and senators that wave the flag with one hand and ridicule the other. That's the very thing they're supposed to be standing for on the other hand. Now, I don't know about you and your particular religious convictions, but I do know about myself.

I love God and I love my country and, by golly, I'm not ashamed to stand up in a university or a college and tell the people that I love and I appreciate the American flag. You see?

I'm not afraid of that. And some folks say, well, that's too trashin'. They say that's just too old-fashioned. Well, just call me old-fashioned then, because when they brought the American flag to our table when we visited the country of Finland in a public restaurant

and the pianist started playing the star-spangled banner, brother, we felt like a million dollars. It was good to know that other people appreciate the same things we appreciate, namely the American way. Or you can sit down there probably and shoot the system full of holes, join the club, many other people doing the same thing. But it's easy to stand and ridicule, it's easy to point the finger, but it is a little more inducive to the individual

and it takes a little more backbone and courage to stand and do something about it. You see, there is a vast difference. It's easy to ridicule, but it takes backbone and courage to do something about it. Now, the reason for all the confusion and catastrophe

[19:57] Main address

in these United States, United States today, is because the individual man, now when I say man, I mean men, women, and children, is that they do not know who they are. We've spoke to some young people in the communes here and there and they have practically lost their own identity. They are seeking for themselves. They're trying to find out who they are.

Good news, as Gabriel Healy used to say back in New York, there's good news today. I've got some good news for you. I'm going to tell you, who you are today. And if you listen real carefully, those of you walking around the fringes of this crowd today, listen real carefully,

I'm going to tell you who you are and then we're going to see what we can do about it and where we must go from there. Are you ready for it? I don't know if anybody has ever done this at a UFO convention before, but you know, I've brought my Bible with me today. Is that all right with you? Fine.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. It's not all right with you? That's just tough on you, cousin. I've got a little Bible I want to read you. Now, today's not Sunday, mind you, but if I get a chance to talk tomorrow,

I may preach a little bit. But here, there is a small book at the end of the New Testament which is divided into three letters. First, second, and third. These are three small letters of John. And in one of these letters, which I believe to be the inspired,

word of God, we read these words. 1 John, chapter 3, verses 1, 2, and 3. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God. Therefore the world knoweth us not because it knew him not.

The second verse. Here it is. This is the answer. And this is the key. You can take it or leave it. As they say in Spain, you can like it or love it. Here it is.

The second verse tells us, Behold, now, right now, are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be, for we do know when we shall see him we shall be as he is.

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself that he is pure. Many folk go to church, go to church, go to synagogue, go to their respective places of worship, and they expect the preacher,

the minister, the rabbi, or the priest to automatically open the top of their heads and pour something good within them. People are looking at the exterior of everything around us for that answer to their own problems.

And I'm here to tell you this, that if God's word is true, and I believe it is, God says, Now! Are we his sons? Now, today, Saturday,

at Giant Rock, California. Now, if this be true, we say we're looking for help, we're looking for guidance. Are we supposed to look way off to another planet, as some people do, and this has some people at the Pentagon quite worried,

looking off to Venus or Mars or Jupiter, what have you, waiting for some great fellow to come down in a big white horse, and tell the Republican Party where to get off at. It's not going to work that way. And they're expecting some great divine messiah

to come and land on a pure white flying saucer and show you how to get your bills paid at the end of the month. It just doesn't work that way. I believe, in all honesty, as we look within ourselves, we find that the Almighty is within us, and we,

by His power, are one with Him. Having cut off all experience, we find that we begin to approach the true meaning of the word understanding. Understanding is perhaps one of the most important words

in the entire dictionary. Total religion, compendium theology, is not the total answer. The total answer is not found in pure science, nor is it found in the Bible. Nor is it found in the Bible. Nor is it found in the Bible.

Nor is it found in the Bible. Nor is it found in the Bible. Nor is it found in the Bible. in politics I believe that God within us and you within him can approach that happy medium whereby you can begin yourself to solve the mysteries of the universe now I know that there are enemies to mankind there are many enemies to your human emotions there seems to be a tremendous influx of black magic and witchcraft how many of you know what i'm talking about in that main

and there are people today that are sitting in institutions because they have allowed their minds to be open to the wrong spirit and today they're sorry when I passed through the church in Minneapolis I had my first experience against an evil spirit and I know what I'm talking about we walked in to this farmhouse and we found the old gentleman with his curse scene lamp trembling saying please go in there and help my wife I don't know what's gotten hold of us

she's been this way for three days and I don't know what to do anymore they had no electricity on this farm so one of my associates of the church came as far as the door with me and then he went back into the back into the kitchen he said I'll wait for you here I'll pray for you I said thank you very much I walked into that bedroom and here this lady was in the far end of the room on top of the bed the sheets were ripped to shreds she had taken handfuls of stuff stuffing from the mattress stronger throughout the room her hair was in terrible disarray she'd scratched her face and in the corner of that bed when she saw me she pointed her finger she growled at me like a dog cussed the blue street told me to get my soul and soul out of there and then she quieted down again

and with a low growling voice pointed her finger at me says I know you in a low masculine voice and for a young minister just fresh out of Bible College seminary to meet a person like this to be pushed into a room while the other people were so frightened they wouldn't hardly move was quite a challenge I said whoever you are I rebuke you again she pointed her finger with this masculine voice again it says you lowed down so and so and so and so and so and so you get yourself out of here I know what you're trying to do and believe you me I didn't know exactly what to do from that point on because all of a sudden the light blew out the lamp and that room flickered and went out and I heard her

grunting over the corner and growling and I walked around the darkness of that room trying to find Do you think I could find it? They didn't teach us in school how to handle this particular situation. And there are many people in the same shape today, depending on things that they know nothing of, nor do they know where to go to help. But I know one thing, that if the word was true, that there was power and there was influence over such a spirit and that such an evil spirit as did possess this woman could be cast out.

How many of you in this audience have ever had any experiences similar to this? May I see your hands? I see just a few. The only thing I could do was call on God. Now these people don't believe in God, this won't mean a hill of beans to you, so you might just as well go in one ear and out the other. But as I called on God, I felt a strength and a power come into my physical being that I knew I was not alone. And I began to rebuke that unclean spirit in the name of Christ.

And then suddenly there was a blood-curdling scream that scared the living daylights out of me. I'll tell you, the folks in the next room didn't know what to make of it. Finally, they came in with a lamp, and by the grace of the Almighty, this is what happened. That woman had suddenly made a roundabout face. The color came back to her face. She was in full possession of her faculties.

She had the presence of mind to reach down and get some things and pull them over her body. And everything from that moment on was as it should be. There was a different atmosphere, a different vibration in that entire home. And from that day to this, this woman has never lapsed into that serious position as she's been before. Now these are some things. You don't listen to, you don't hear in your churches every day

because many in the clergy, many in the ministry do not know how to handle such a thing. We have about five or six booklets in my book table over here about witchcraft and demons and all the rest of that stuff. If you're interested, ask my wife Renice to show them to you. Now, let's get back home. Let's get back here in the United States. We, one of us, desire to have a closer walk with the Creator.

We desire to help ourselves and bodies, soul, and spirit. Yet, we eat garbage, we drink words, and we wonder why we have all aches and pains. We go to health food lectures, listen to them, shake their hands, tell them how great they are, and we go home and open a bottle of Coke. Isn't that right? Now, one gentleman said not too long ago, you are what you eat, you are what you drink. There are ways and means for you to take care of your physical body as well as your spiritual body.

Do you agree with me? Say, aye. All right? Now, when we desire to help that spiritual part of us, we find a unique secret that you very seldom find a spiritual person who is constantly afflicted in their bodies. All right? What do we do about our bodies? We try to find the right things to eat, and we go

to pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to him. We pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God.

We pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God, and we pray to God. We pray to God. We pray to God.

We pray to God. We pray to God. Sometimes we can, sometimes we can't. A friend of mine by the name of Dr. Leon de Cervalot, young fellow, about 96 years old this year, he has more stamina than 5 of us put together, he has been married four times. I think he is working on his fifth. He told me one day that what you should get for your own physical body is a little item called Jim's Thing.

I said, what in the world is that? And he showed me. I took his advice, started taking this ginseng, and just recently, about five weeks ago, into my office at the Global International Picture Studio in Glendale comes a gentleman from China. And he gives me ginseng that is now manufactured here in America, not in Korea.

My family starts taking it. We read the advertising. Send out a few notices. And we have a meeting with the people at the Food and Drug. Now, you know they're some of the most precious people in California, the Food and Drug people. They say, you can drink it, your family can drink it, but you're not allowed to tell the people what this does for you.

Well, that sounded like the FDA. How many of you have ever run into any similar circumstance with our brethren? At the FDA. I want someone to bring me, bring me a copy of that ginseng brochure over there, will you? Can you hear me, Mrs. Stranges? And I'm going to show you something very, very strange.

I need a ginseng brochure. Thank you. Now, it's amazing. Some good things have been made available to us, and we're not allowed to talk about it. So instead of, talking about it, I put it in print.

Ginseng is a radioactive plant which the herbalists claim undeniable rejuvenation properties. Now, they say you're not allowed to use that word rejuvenation. So I asked them, well, what word can I put in its place? They said, I don't know. Well, here it is. These roots were used by the Orientals, by the Chinese, for over 5,000 years.

They've got the ginseng, the fava beans, the fava beans powder, the potitang tea, the whole, the whole setup. And the red heart capsule compounded Dong Quai roots, especially for women. The FDA read this carefully.

They read it aloud. Dong Quai capsules provide the women's equivalent to the concentrated ginseng capsules for men. They said, that's all right. I said, what about the next one? They said it's compounded into different herbs that ginseng contains. It's compounded into different herbs that ginseng contains. And the FDA said, well, what we're saying is that ginseng for women's differing nutritional needs. They said, you're not allowed to use the word nutrition.

You're not allowed to use the word longevity. You're not allowed to tell the people that the Chinese, who are living 60, 70, 80, 90, 130, 40, 145 years, are using this. You're not allowed to say it. I go down to the health food store. And they say, the only thing we're allowed to do, a good tea and that's all well I took it upon myself to do this brochure we have a cover letter that's going out to several thousand people in the United

States I've got from Jim Singh over here that we want to give you a free today just don't ask my wife to give you want to be very happy to give it to you put it in hot water don't tell the FDA that I told you to make you live to 200 only 175 these are things that will help us take care of our physical body and the things that help us take care of our physical soul and our spirit can be worked in conjunction with the things that take care of our physical bodies now what about UFOs I repeat I do not expect an unidentified flying object to come down here and to make everything right I believe that America is going to

be changed for the better if California is going to be changed for the better. I believe that America is going to be be changed for the better and if you as an american citizen are going to be a better american citizen it's not going to start in venus it's got to start in you and if we allow it to start within us it's catching just like scarlet fever right you start changing your own outlook on things get a bright outlook get a godly outlook get an appreciation for the good things of life treat your fellow man like they are your brothers and your sisters and i think we'll have a pretty good convention here this week and i think we'll have a good state of california and we'll have a

good country too because we're putting god first our fellow man second and even though we come in third i think we're still in the master race god bless you all and keep you incidentally my wife wanted me to announce that the books that we have on our book table over here that just because you're here today everything out there is a 50 discount thank you you never know what he's going to talk about here today that many of you may have heard about i had a fabulous experience with a number of years back in the early 50s and uh we did some research that would astound you and his research today is recognized throughout the world and he has a little booth over there with a new book in it

and this is probably the only book you'll ever find they give you the real data and how to water which and burns as anybody can do it and it's called aqua video it's just a mount and it's uh brand new and i want you to meet the author and an old friend and an old researcher back from the days when we really made things happen and i want you to meet the author and an old friend and an old researcher back from the days when we really made things happen and we'll see you then happened. I want to give you a burning camera. Friends, I consider it quite an honor to be able to talk to all of these people, all of you, and I'm so glad to see you again because many years ago I was attending these meetings and I found that it was a group of my kind of people that I

was proud to know. And now I'm reviving those old friendships in some cases. And as George has told you, I've made a great deal of strides in the, I have made many strides in the intervening years and have become known all over the world as the leading water dowser. And my instrument, the orometer, is known all over the world and in use. I've made 50 and 100 myself. And they're in use even in Russia now. This is the orometer here. And it locates water by pulling to it like a compass and gives you the information that you ask for. I have a new book out now that was written by my co-author Bill Cox. And it was participated in by many other people. And I'm very proud to be a part of it. I'm very proud to be a part of it. And I'm very proud to be a

part of it. And I'm very proud to be a part of it. And I'm very proud to be a part of it. And I'm very very proud to be a part of it. And I'm very very proud to be a part of it. And I'm very And I'm very very proud to be a part of it. of the artwork. And Bruce Leak, who did all the beautiful possibilities in it. There were It was made especially for the book, Aquavideo. Then an older book, 18 years old, which has been reprinted four times. We have that at our stand right over there, just beyond the rock. And if you're curious about locating underground water and the forces that are connected with it,

by all means, go and pick up a flyer if you don't do anything else. The dust jackets or flyers that are in front there, you're welcome to them. And look at the books all you want to. And I have the old primitive willow switch, which has been used for 7,000 years, as a demonstrator over there and here. That's practically the trademark of dowsing. I want to say I'm deeply indebted to George for allowing me this chance to talk to you. And I'll show you the other instruments that are currently in use,

some that always have been in use. And I'll show you a few of them, and I'll tell you a little bit more about them. Here's the old willow switch. Although this is fruitless mulberry, when you hold it in this manner, palms up and thumbs off, and approach an underground stream, it progressively droops like this until when you get directly over the strong part of the stream, it's pulling clear down. And you can't raise it.

You can twist the ends off, but it won't come back up. Oh, yeah? And when you get off of the stream, there's a constant tension on it. As you get off of the stream, it comes up. And finally, it comes back over and starts you in the face. You can tell the width of the stream by this. You can find the edges by the depth.

And tell how wide the stream is. And then by triangulation, or by the old bishop's rule, you can tell the depth of the water. Here's the high country, which my partner Bill Cox has, is the co-editor of. This is becoming quite famous, too. It's about all of this southwestern country. You'll find that very interesting and on sale over there.

This is the saltback aquavideo, the most informative and educational book about dowsing, with more debunking in it and more truth in it than any other book ever written about dowsing. And we guarantee that, or refund your money. This one is $4.95. This is aquavideo in the hardcover. That's $6.95. A beautiful book for your library.

This will become a collector's item in a very few years, being the first edition. We only have 3,000 printed in this edition. And we don't expect them to last more than three or four months. And from that on up. This is one that was published by the Borderland Science Research, by Mead Lane, about 18 years ago. And it's been reprinted since about three times. This is the Cameron Orr meter.

And this new issue just came out about two or three months ago. It has a great deal in the front here that was added. This is $3. You get it over there. These two, $10. Another interesting item, that is in current use, are the angle rods.

These are used in, in Vietnam, by the, by the Marines to find, uh, dead bodies or booby traps, Viet Cong tunnels, ammunition dumps, and so forth. And also to locate wells.

When you hold these parallel in front of you, and cross an underground stream or a pipeline or a tunnel or whatever you're looking for, there's an affinity set up between your super-conscious mind, which is able to see, the thing that you're looking for, and your conscious mind, by the movement of these. As you cross the pipeline that you're looking for,

even though it's, uh, nested among several others, that you're not looking for, they'll pick out the one that you want, and they will cross, they will cross like that. As you back up, they'll come back straight.

Those, uh, angle rods are just loading rods, but, anyone can make them. But they have the ability to do these things because they have the ability to, uh, move sideways, and demonstrate delicate pulls to either side.

Pardon me. This instrument here is the Cameron Petroleometer. I've been traveling all over the world in the last two or three years, and I made this one to take to India, but instead of getting to go to India, I had to go to, uh, Oaxaca, Mexico, Mexico City,

and back, and then to, uh, Ecuador, and Quito, and, uh, the city in Ecuador, Guayaquil, Guayaquil.

And then I came back and went to Bimini to hunt for the sunken continent of Atlantis, all the time using my orometer and the searcher. So I didn't get to use this for oil, but when this is carried over an oil pool, it will spin like this,

and I can put the brake on, and you can, you can tell by the tension on the brake about how heavy the pull is, and estimate whether it's much or little, whether it's light or heavy, and so on. Then there are many other things used,

such as a pendulum. You take a finger ring on a string, and hold it, hold it over a person's head, and it'll move this way for a female, or round and round for a male. The Japanese used a pendulum for fixing eggs,

and they have wonderful success in finding which are going to be male chicks and which will be female. So, uh, they couldn't live without the pendulum over there, but I discounted it because I thought it was so much inferior to some other things. I got a problem up the throat,

but I don't see how I could have out here where there's no frogs. Anyway, we are surrounded by many forces, especially, especially the cosmic forces, or cosmic raiders coming in from space, which charge our bodies.

According to Dr. Spears of the Spears Sanitarium of Denver, it was his idea many years ago that the cosmic forces are brought in through what used to be the soft spot in the head, and they're transformed by the brain and sent out all over the body

as electrical or electromagnetic forces that create the aura around the body, and, uh, they also, these charges enable you to put a charge in the instrument that you hold in your hand and give it the affinity that causes it

to attract to something else. Then we have the guardian angel. Each of us is given a guardian angel. David said in the Bible, For he shall give his angels charge over thee to keep thee in all thy ways, and they shall bear thee up with their hands,

lest thou dash thy foot against the stone. My guardian has screamed at me in my ear three times in my life in such a manner that he caused me to stop the car, and in each case I would have been killed if I hadn't. Of course, I wouldn't have been killed

all three times because you can't be killed but once, but I would have been killed at least once, and that would have been the end of it. So we have a guardian. Years ago, in talking to my deceased daughter who had been killed a year before

in a car wreck, I thought I was talking to her one evening and I was getting answers by Aurameter where the codes that we had established between her and me, the right for yes and the left for no, and so some entity began answering and it didn't seem like my daughter.

I finally said, say, is this you, Estrella? And the answer was no. I said, then is it some other spirit? Yes. A once living spirit? No. Well, is it an angel then?

Yes. And I thought for a while. I said, is it my guardian angel? He said, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, as though I should have thought of that in the first place. I said, say, are you the guy

that yelled in my ear three times and saved me from killing an old Indian and myself at one time and running into a canyon full of water another time and running into a bunch of black cattle in a cornfield another time? He said, yes, yes.

I said, well, I'm glad to know you. So we've been good pals ever. Ever since. Now, when I want to know something that no human can answer, I just ask him and I get the correct answers, if it's good for me to know it.

Now, my guardian can walk right under the ground by pacing away from it as far as the water is down, or I can just simply ask my guardian, 160? Yes. 165? Yes.

Yes. 170? No. 160 feet down. Well, then, how deep is the bottom? More than 200? Yes.

250? Yes. 300? No. 360? Yes. 380? Yes.

Yes. Yes. So that stream is 380 feet down, and the top of it is 165 feet down. So it's just a simple matter, then, to find the strongest spot in that stream and drill it and get the water. So maybe the next time you come out here,

you will find a fine well out there someplace along that stream, providing good, cold, clear water for you. I hope so. I could go on lots of other things that are treated on in those books, other experiences I've had in many angles. I know that you're concerned about flying saucers, and I've had only one experience of my own knowledge.

I did see one that couldn't have done anything else, one night as I was approaching home at Elsinore, and in the eastern sky about five miles east of me, I saw something up in the 11 o'clock position, and it was moving about like that in a falling arc. And I said, that's going to light right in the hills back of my house. I got out of the car and watched it,

and it talked into the hills, apparently right behind my house up in the mountains, but though I reported to the sheriff's office and the police, apparently no one else saw it. Now that was a big blue-white circle, like the biggest moon that you ever saw, only it was blue-white, very distinctly beautiful blue-white,

and behind it I could see things that seemed to be, well, as near as I could say they resembled garage doors falling off behind it, big timbers apparently, and rolling off behind it, and turning to flame and then to sparks about six times the diameter of the head behind. They trailed away in a bunch of sparks.

Well, that couldn't have done anything that's known. It wasn't a meteor because it was going far too slow for a meteor. It wasn't anything man-made because it would have been known and followed and reported later, whatever it was. It was something extraterrestrial, and that was my only experience. My wife saw green fireballs flying along just above the ground

in our yard, and she said they were brilliant green and they traveled horizontally with the ground. That was her only experience. And I've never seen a green fireball, but I've seen many phenomena that are either very lightly treated or not treated at all or treated with disgust by the scientists.

And when you see a thing, you know it whether they know it or not. And if they want you to bring it and put it in their laboratory, I think it's asking too much. So I just accept what I see. The experiences that I've had in my own life, I'm very skeptical, and I first try to prove them. And when I have proven something beyond a doubt,

then I tell it to people as a fact. And my policy and my watchword for many years has been that it doesn't make any difference how big a lie you tell as long as you can prove it. So I just make sure I can prove it. I thank you. Incidentally, my name is Cameron. ...act even if he's only 50.

A woman out there in the audience a while back said, when are you going to say something? Well, maybe I better say something before I get all the women down on me. I'm not going to talk on sex. How many of you saw the National Enquirer of last week? The newspaper. This thing blew Condon right out of his chair.

The headline says, Air Force Academy, textbook, warns cadets that UFOs may be spacecrafts operated by aliens from other worlds. That's the headline on the front page. And the full page article on the back page, they admitted some things I've been telling them for 20 years

in this textbook. Now this textbook is published by the airport for Air Force Academy cadets. Simulating theory for us is that UFOs are material objects which are either manned or remote controlled by beings who are alien to this planet.

State volume two of introductory space science. This is what our Air Force cadets are being taught up in Colorado Springs. My friend Earl Knapp of Cleveland, Ohio, who has been in UFO research for a long time and with a number of friends, and a number of organizations, said when he found this book,

he didn't find it, he went out and got it. He said, believe me, this book is not easy to acquire. I tried for six months. This is a book that the airport just does not want to get out

because it is embarrassing to them. It is contrary to what they are telling the American people. In a 14-page chapter devoted exclusively to UFOs, the textbook warns that scientific studies of UFO mystery have so far been based on man's present limited knowledge of physics, and that what we may know now

may not apply to UFOs. This is what Dan Fry was telling us, and this is what Sam Friedman was telling us. One thing I must be guarded against, it says to the cadets, in any such study is the craft of implicitly assuming that our knowledge of physics

or any other branch of science is complete. The textbook says we should not deny the possibility of alien control of UFOs on the basis of preconceived notions. Now, isn't this something for the Air Force to say? They already preconceived their notions. This leaves us with the unpleasant possibility of alien visitors to our planet,

or at least of alien-controlled UFOs I don't know why they consider this an unpleasant possibility. I would certainly be thrilled to meet somebody intelligent enough to travel through space when we're only barely getting into the kindergarten grade in space travel.

According to the textbook, if such beings are visiting here, two questions arise. Why haven't they attempted to contact us officially, and why haven't they been asked which would have revealed their presence? There have been accidents. The cadets are being asked this

in the context of this book. We can read of any number of accidents in New Zealand, and people have been burned by these ships. The cars stopped, the paint corroded, and all kinds of things. Then they say, why no contact? The answer to this question in the textbook is

that we may be the object of intensive sociological and psychological study. In such studies, you usually avoid disturbing the test subjects' environment. In other words, they won't disturb us. You do not contact a colony of ants, and humans may seem that way to any alien.

Variations. A zoo is fun to visit, but you don't contact the lizards. Then, here is the real wing name. Such contact may have already taken place secretly, and may have taken place on a different plane of awareness, and we are not yet sensitive to communications on such a plane.

Now, this is a real wizard, because they say they aren't capable of communications on such a plane. But many of us are capable of communication and have communicated. Over the years. The textbook then goes into two samples, one of which is the Sutton Farm Monster sightings

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in which many people were involved on a farm back east in Kelly, Kentucky, and in which they shot at these beings and bullets ricocheted off of them. And the other one is the Zamora contact landing over at the... I don't know if it was El Magordo, or El Coro, New Mexico.

Those are given as examples. UFO cases. Oddly enough, the Air Force admits to some 13,000 cases being reported to them over the years, as a total. And yet when the Condom Committee investigated officially as a scientific body,

they only analyzed 15, or 59 of the cases. So 59 out of 1,300 is what percent. And then out of the Air Force reported cases, according to Newsweek magazine, you took a national poll, at least 11 million people had seen the objects. Yet only 13,000 had reported to the Air Force.

And 59 were investigated by the Condom Committee. Now, this is getting right down to the salt and pepper analysis. In other words, if one grain of pepper analyzes one thing, all grains of pepper and everything else that looks like pepper, they've got to analyze the same

out of 11 million sightings. Now, the ship that landed here in 1953, I published data on it for 17 years. We're in our 18th year of publishing the proceedings, which are free to all of you over at that stand where Herb Kelly is, with a model of the dome he made.

He's on our Board of Directors. He's on our research. And you have that particular issue for free. We blend the phenomena that you will never read in any other book because we collect it, we analyze it, and we reveal it in dated material.

The stuff that is in the Air Force Cadet Manual I wrote in the proceedings in 1953. It's like they copied the material. The thing is, those of us who are witnesses to an accident are accepted in court to present evidence to condemn someone or sentence somebody

or acquit them. But if you are a witness to an incident in UFOs, you're not an expert, Matthew. They believe somebody else with a number of degrees is the expert, and he only analyzes 59 cases out of 13,000. Now, this is the policy of Harkoff. It took him six months to get this book.

I don't know how he got it, but he's been able to help me. And he got a copy in the National Enquirer, which is a weekly newspaper. Comes out weekly on the newsstand. Between Saga Magazine and the National Enquirer, if you don't take anything else by subscription, you will know what's going on,

because they both expose and reveal more than any other publication in the country. Now, the things that are coming out this year and last year and are coming out more and more all the time are verification of data that we were saying in the first place. Many of them.

Dan Fry and R.P. Lange-Lucy and George Adamsby, Truman Bathroom, and dozens of others, I should name, were telling this information because we were the witnesses to what occurred. We weren't upset by the fact that somebody didn't accept it or somebody ridiculed us,

as I was recently ridiculed in the L.A. Times. The very pyramid principle, which I suggested to eliminate, they're small. They never investigated. They just ridiculed us. And yesterday in the Great Pyramid, they have cosmic ray devices

set up in the Great Pyramid with the hopes of finding other chambers similar to King's and Queen's chambers. They think there may be some other hollow spots in the Great Pyramid. And by intercepting cosmic rays which come through the stone and make their instruments operate,

they figured they could detect these other hollow points, if there are any. The strange part of it is it doesn't matter how they set their instruments or how accurately they try to receive this information, every day is a goop-up. They can't figure out what energy is gooping up instruments that work externally to the pyramid.

And we tried to tell them about the pyramid energy, and I wrote an article on it in the previous proceedings in 1954. Now, Bernie Cameron, the man who was just up there, did a lot of work with the Great Pyramid and he said that the Great Pyramid is a very interesting instrument. And any of you, if you want to play with it,

it's one of the most fascinating researches you can do in your own home. Because it doesn't require any equipment. You think of these as cardboard, and you cut triangles out of it and you fasten the corners together with scotch tape or you stick them together with glue or any other way you want.

Cut some triangular holes in the sides so you can look in it if you want to, because the sides aren't important, the only thing you have to remember on that pyramid is that you keep the plane of the sides 52 degrees. And if you make these 52-degree sides and set one of these little pyramids down, six inches square is big enough,

you can put your razor blade in there and get up to 162 shaves out of it without having to sharpen it. Now, in a new book that just came out, which is also mentioned in this particular issue of the proceedings you can get over there, the cause of the psychic discoveries behind the Iron Curtain

was written by two women who went to Russia to find out what's going on over there. And they gave them unlimited information. But the strange part of it is that Vern Cameron's research, which was going on in the 40s, is listed as being discovered in 66

by the Russians. In fact, somebody over there in Czechoslovakia has patented a little plastic pyramid which you can buy in the store, take it home and set it on your bathroom shelf, keep your razor blade in it between shaves, and you can get over 100 shaves with one blade without ever noticing it getting dull.

This same energy, which I propose to be used around the city of Los Angeles in seven places in a circle in vacant lots well away from the city, will eliminate Los Angeles' smog. If you get an air map of Egypt, you'll find what a great pyramid is.

There's a warning to fly away from it. Don't fly over it, the same as there is on American air maps around radar screens, because it'll upset your instrument. There is a vortex there. There is an energy generated by that great pyramid, which back in the old days,

when it was originally built in another civilization before this one, the King's Chamber was thought to be engineered wrong because it's off-center, it isn't in the middle of the business. It was deliberately put off-center in order to get the sarcophagus and the King's Chamber in the exact location

in the pyramid relative to the vortex it creates, which is an energy, a life energy. They took all their VIPs in those days, the Faioras and the Big Shots, and those are counted, and when they croaked, they stuffed them in the sarcophagus.

And in three days they came to life, or if they didn't come to life, they left them in there for a magnetic month, which is 28 days, and they became mummies. Now our science has never yet found any chemical compound in a mummy that was used to mummify a body. It was done in these pyramids.

The same as Vernon Cameron proved back in the 40s, you can take a piece of fresh pork, fresh cut pork out of a meat counter with meat and fat, and a cube and set it in one of these little pyramids, and it'll dehydrate down to where it's mummified. In fact, he carried them around in his coat pocket and showed them to people for years.

They won't spoil. You can take them out of your pocket, soak them overnight in water, put them in the boil, and they'll taste just like fresh pork, and they won't be spoiled. Now this is a process of preserving food which is being used today,

rather than sticking them in these chemicals they inject into the meat and so forth, because it will preserve food indefinitely. This pyramid force is unknown today as to what makes it work. But it does work. It's the same with a flame. We don't know what a flame is.

We know it's a combustion of gases. But we really don't know what the flame is. We really don't know what electricity is. We really don't know what a life force is. And yet, we know all these things exist. So in this analysis of great pyramids study, which you can do in your own home with cardboard, welding wire,

I don't care what you use, as long as it's on a 52 degree plane on all four sides, and it's oriented magnetically, the faces are oriented magnetically north and south on the two sides, which make the other two east and west. Now,

you can take a fresh egg and put it in a saucer and put it under the pyramid and take another fresh egg and put it in a saucer outside of the pyramid. In a week, the one inside the pyramid will be solidified and the other one will still be liquid.

So there's some force working there which has to do with matter. It has to do with keeping the molecular structure razor blade sharp on the edges. And all of these things are only just barely being broken down into little hinges. We don't realize what this energy is.

It's the same energy of thought and mind and space travel. It's cosmic force. It's the force that makes you live. All of these efforts to try to bring out something on this subject are met with ridicule

by the orthodox and the press. Orthodox science doesn't want to recognize an energy that'll produce an effect without it costing something. So do you really wanna try this? You talk to Vern over there. He's an expert in the pyramid business. We also found out he could make cones.

45-degree cones take wire off the top to another cone and hook these in up. And then by producing a rod, he could just hook this wire to the rod and with his oroometer, he could check the force that went cohesive like laser for miles.

And that's enough. It didn't spread out like a flashlight beam or dissipate in the air. It extended for miles. Now, Vernon's got all of that written up in that one book he's got, that big pamphlet type thing. And we played on with some of these other pyramid effects, and we tried a number of things. You can take a piece of an old dead rabbit out here that's full of maggots

crawling around in it, chop a chunk out and put it in that pyramid, and the maggots will get out of the dead meat and crawl outside the pyramid because whatever the energy is, they don't like it. Naturally, they die outside the pyramid, but they're not in the meat anymore. So all of these strange forces and energies which are taking place in our daily lives, which we are not aware of normally, we are only beginning to discover. Now, the application of them can make a heaven on earth. We can produce light without generators.

We can produce a locomotion and transportation without contamination of the air. These things are on the verge of making a heaven on earth. But we have to first eliminate the old before we can have the new. And the only way we can eliminate the old is if there's an economic collapse because you can't fuck the establishment. They have atom bombs and armies. So it's foolish. It's foolish.

It's foolish. It's foolish to go out and try to produce something in a society that don't want it. Now, any of you people that are interested in seeing phenomena, which you do if you go to a seance, or you go to a hypnotist, or you go to watch some strange thing in a carnival, if you want to see real phenomena and do it in your own home, you'll get some of Vern's material and work it out. Some of you will experience.

You'll see strange things happen. With no explanation of it, Vern won't try to explain it. We worked experiments to the point where we realized that the 246 inches that the King's Chamber is off center in the Great Pyramid is equivalent to a requirement in our research over here where we have to keep the people in the fields we run, them through off-center, a given distance. It isn't the same as the 246, but the ratio is the same in our field. Now, we don't put them in a sarcophagus. We run them through

two plastic tubes where they walk through and be guided in a proper position. And our response is instant. We don't have to wait for three days, simply because we apply two principles simultaneously. Now, I'm hoping tomorrow, Paul Wilson is going to be here tomorrow, and I want Paul to get up here. He's done a lot of real, deep electronic analysis of our principle over there on the IntegraTron. Now, I'm not an electronics man. I spent my life in the air game and the flight testing. But Paul, I'm going to have him tomorrow get up here and give you some of the data that he has discovered relative to what we're doing, because he can tell you in a technical sense. I've been very honored and proud and

fortunate in being surrounded with associates. I ran into Vern Cameron out here today. He said something about Rolf Schifron. I didn't even know he knew Rolf Schifron. And Rolf was mechanical engineering for some of the data on the zone. He also was associated with Galen Hieronymus in tracking the astronauts around the Moon. He also was a close associate of Von Braun and was with NASA for years. And these associates that I am connected with or are connected with our research, they're all on a voluntary basis. There isn't anyone I'm getting a nickel out of. And this is the thing that makes things go and discoveries occur, is those people who dedicate themselves to something, not

as a hobby, but as a fascinating, interesting discovery. And I know the Bible says the last thing to be overcome shall be death. And if somebody's going to overcome it, it has to be done by somebody. It can't occur by itself. And that's the thing we're trying to do, is perpetuate life in one body long enough so we can jerk ourselves out of the mess by our own bootstraps. And living here, we're in our 23rd year at Giant Rock. There wasn't a solitary thing within 20 miles when we came here. And living next to nature, you find out a lot of strange things. You become part of nature. Now we've got all these

hondas and these noises and all this business and these conventions. We're not valued so much during the week, except we have these big marine helicopters in that you saw over this morning. And we have students and pilots on solo flights and so forth. The next thing I want to talk about is the world. And I'm going to talk about the world in a minute. ş While you're living next to nature, all you've got to do is get yourself a little canvas armical cot. Lay down on it with an anthill on your stomach and watch. If you want to

see intelligence, you'll see it. Where everybody takes a part in doing anything® there's no laggard, there's nobody lazy. Every one of those ants, they're doing something, and all know what the other guy is doing. And each one of you, on the other hand, ain't going to go anywhere. Finally, all of a sudden, you're standing in bed some hot pan. Just the one knows what to do and there is nobody running the show if we could have a civilization that works like the ants we would have perfect harmony and peace at all times there would be no conflict between races between nations or people anywhere this is the most fascinating study to watch those ends and then drop them down something to eat that came out of the commercial store like some of this

commercial bread little bread they grab it and run down the whole weather like manna from heaven they don't work came from but they know it's there and it's got flowers next thing you know some chemists down that hole took the thing apart and analyzed it and the next thing you know they're hauling it back out and they don't haul it out where they dump the little rocks they all are way up because they know it's pointing we took some of my mother-in-law's bread who was 84 she's around here someplace we took some of my mother-in-law's homemade bread and sprinkled the crumbs around there and they grabbed it again for free for nothing down the hole and it didn't come back out way to check what you eat feed it to the end and if they throw it out don't

eat it they're smart and they live and they perpetuate a strength of nine times our strength in proportion to their body size nine times stronger than humans and it's a fascinating thing to watch those intelligent little critters under the ground when they come out on the surface they're pulling Rille for a hundred yards navigate back and forth one little scout out there finds something good to eat he hops up on his hind legs

and his antenna start forin' he dont run back and tell him he just gets up there and transmit here comes a hole of them right at it whatever he wire he would get out the hole it wel til it was dead and he'd go in a far must comics I don't know I don't know it's a missionary in American history back to the nest. This is intelligence operating right under our nose in the ground, in the ant. I could go on indefinitely about the things out here in nature. They talk about population explosion. We're going to breed ourself out of

room. You watch the coyotes on this desert. When there's lots of rabbits, they have five and six pups in their litter. When there aren't many rabbits, they have one and two pups in their litter. Now, who tells them how many rabbits are going to be, or the birds when it's going to get cold to fly south? This is the energy we're talking about that's intelligent. It runs the whole universe. I call it a universal mind. Some people call it God. This is the energy we're interested in, in our research, because it perpetuates the life we live. And if we can use it to recharge and re-energize our bodies and perpetuate our lifespan,

longer, imagine how smart you could be in 150 years. Now you get old enough to get smart and you get dead. And that's all. So all of these things we found out out here were nothing we planned on doing when we came out here. I got the desert in my blood when I was with Howard Hughes over at Harbor Dry Lake. Wanted to stay with a flying game, so I went in for the government and got this land under the airport, Dad. But a problem. I got a wife and three kids out here that were 42 miles away from their school.

They all graduated. And the youngest daughter, who was eight and a half years old, we figured how many days she went to school and the distance she traveled, and she went three times around the world's equator to get a diploma. She's over there helping out and arresting. Now today I got 13 grandkids, and I think that's enough. But there are little messengers there all over this place. You'll see them running up to me and telling Grandpa something. If life goes on, we're all affected by change and deterioration and corrosion, erosion and wear and tear, heat and friction. Now the only way we can overcome these natural things which cause change in us is to counteract the

cause. You could never acquire any results by treating the effects. Our society is sick today. We're treating effects. And we are out with this big, four-story machine, to correct the cause of people not to eliminate illness not to treat disease not to diagnose what's wrong with them but give them the vitality that will make them whole again they'll resist what's wrong with them from inside because this spiritual force can do anything and you've probably all been aware of miraculous use people getting well from terminal cases or something you read about it every now and then this isn't something that's an accident this is something that these people earn all we have to do is perpetuate this force on the basis of understanding

where we can put it in a textbook and then we can use it and this unlimited god that gives us galaxies and planets and butterflies and roses and people will respond with the need that we require providing we intelligently seek it and express our need for it so i have a new book coming out it isn't here today i thought the printers might have it here for this convention it isn't my book it was given to me from upstairs it was an inspired thing it's the proceedings we printed for 18 years ago worldwide in a 16-page bullet i went through murder i'd rather write two books and compile a book i took 17 years of proceedings and compiled it into a book

it's called the stars look down we look up at the stars we never realize they look down i hoped it would be over this convention i'm having the printers try to keep the price down on it so it will get wide distribution because it's the meat out of 17 years of writing the proceedings all of this material is inspired material that isn't taken from textbooks or colleges or airports academy i hope when that book comes out you people can get a copy of it somewhere now i could go on indefinitely talking on various subjects including ufos and energies and and all kinds of things that i found out this convention from one to five and i have a girl i want to bring up here she wrote a most fantastic little story and it's been brought out in a

newspaper instead of a book which is very cheap to print it on customer now this may be written from the point of women's liberation but it involves destruction of the world by an atomic bomb and what goes on afterwards it's a little gory but it's real intelligence and it's an amazing piece of work but i want to bring that girl up here and let her tell you what the story is about and where you can get it because it only cost you 50 cents instead of in a book come on up here karen she's been a long time friend too and i was absolutely amazed that she wrote this book because she's from missouri now the covers on it by the way

joe emsley oh joe did both the back and front covers and it's beautiful artwork and she wants to give you a little bat on this paper i don't mind i'm going to sort of leave because i told garger i would keep it short and i tend to rattle on and on if i don't leave i know most of you none of you really heard of me some of you have met me and i have been a friend of george van passel than ever for quite a few years now and i've listened to many many tales of blind saucers i've met persons who seem to know them personally i've met people who've talked with them and in all of their talking and in all the visiting one question keeps proceeding itself why don't these visitors from space visit a

why don't they become our companions why don't they place at their disposal their vast array of knowledge or at least what we can understand of it and the answer always seems to be the same whether it's from a person that speaks with them whether it's fascinated vibratorily actually or from brain to brain we would be harmed we don't want to hurt earth people even if we must defend ourselves and the message is always the same violence is too deep upon this planet no one on this planet is able to cope with this violence of things it's a never-ending cycle of war war war yet who among us fight these wars who among us cause these wars

these wars? And who among us provides the persons to fight these wars? Ladies, and I'm speaking to you ladies now, you gentlemen can cover your ears, you can go have a beer, but let's just talk, because it is the ladies I want to talk to now. You know, we're stupid. Yes, I said just plain stupid. You know that all of the history, all of the Bibles, all of the teachings, everything that's been written on this planet has come to us stupid females by men. Don't lie it yet, men. I ain't trying. We actually, the women of this planet, know absolutely nothing except stupid. What's been taught by men? And when I came to this realization, I had cold chills go

all over me. Just what is it that men have been trying to hide from us for all these centuries, for all of these years? What could men be hiding? We're blamed for the original sin, we're blamed for producing unhealthy children, and my ex-husband's back there waving at me. And we're blamed because we live for men. And just who made us dependent on men? Men themselves have done this. No, I'm not a woman liberator. I'm not some misguided, starved

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female who has developed a vicious streak toward men. In fact, I happen to like them. I think they're great, but I like live, breathing men with a touch of gentleness in them. I think they're great, but I like live, breathing men with a touch of gentleness in them. I think they're great, but I like live, breathing men with a touch of gentleness in them. I think they're great, but I like live, breathing men with a touch of gentleness in them. I think they're great, but I like live, breathing men with a touch of gentleness in them. I think they're sort of cute. But when it comes to their jealousy, their possessiveness, all at once they are total strangers. And women, each and every one of you know what I speak

is true. As women, we're owned by our men. All the laws say so. All the religions say so. And if you don't believe me, try to cancel your husband's credit account. He didn't cancel yours, even if you're the breadwinner. But you can't cancel his. And religion, it's the men that must promise to send the children to school, to church. It's the man that has the legal handling of all your children. Man, in his strong and terrible drive for superiority, has left himself wide open. He has an Achilles' heel. He has one so simply, and yet so totally, that to spell it out here, even if I had the time, would be inviting trouble on every woman here and myself. So read the book, Gone at

Twilight. It has the total answer. Here's what a newspaper columnist has said about it. Apologies for tidiness in my answer. No excuse except that I've been swamped by mail lately. I just finished up. I believe that everyone who hopes to live through 1980 should read it. Gone at Twilight, to use a much-worn phrase, tells it like it is. Yes, you can quote that. Yes, I will mention the piece in my column. Yes, I will push it where I can't. Tell me more about the left hand of these. By the way, lady, you gave your husband the apple in the right hand. What are you doing with the apple?

You're left. What are you up to organizationally? Don't give up. So you see, not all men wish this fate. Not all men have the terrible drive for destruction, the horrible drive for total destruction. Women, Gone at Twilight, read it. See what lies ahead for you if you don't ask. And start asking now. Time is growing short. Terrible. Time is growing short. Time is probably short. And it's finally up to us. No one else. Those ICBMs will be released. Those satellites orbiting overhead at this very second will be activated. Men have no other choice. They have no other way. We must point another way. And we must do it now. I've done my job, and the first link of the change has been forged. Now it's up to the

rest of the women of the world. And it's up to them, not by being men and withholding, not by nitpicking at the fringes of our destruction, not by denying men are many conquerors, but by focusing totally upon the one complete answer to the whole problem. By going to the very heart of the problem. You can't deny men and have them not hate you. You must be able to stand side by side with men as an equal, not as a ruler. So read Dawn at Twilight. The safe people can help, but they can't do it all. Every time I see this girl, she amazes me. You women have got a real champion there. And I want to say that this paper, which Janet gave me a copy of, it's like a newspaper.

You open it up and read it page after page. It's really a... It would have been a pocketbook. Well, they cost so much. This 50-cent deal is worth reading. And whether it's women liberation or burning your bra, whatever you gals want to do, work for. I don't know of any men that object. But for God's sake, don't let her down. That's the view. We depend on you. So I'm going to close this convention for today with these remarks. And I want to thank all who participated. Thank you.

And all who came. And tomorrow at 1 o'clock, we'll pick up here. And boy, that roast beef sure smells good. I'm going to have some. Thanks a lot to all of you. These speakers around with a hope we wouldn't get the feedback we had yesterday. Does that sound better? As long as I had to rebuild the system anyway, because somebody come up here and stole a microphone last night. I hope the Lord blesses him, whoever he is. We're getting a little late start here because we had to bring in some experts. We have a little bit of water. Last night we had a little problem around here. Nobody injured. The usual racket by those few who have no respect for others or consideration

for others. Now the dune buggies and Hondas have all been told stay quiet or ride out away from the place during this program. And the sheriff's office told me if anybody goes roaring up and down there and cause any trouble, they're going to find themselves in jail. So the night we reported two missing dogs, they may have been found by now. I don't know. The beagle male, they run together. They belong to the same people. If anybody captures those dogs, holds them, even the name of the owner on here, we'll try to get them back to the owner. Now this morning in total defiance of law and order, someone deliberately go down the runway wide open in a car and all the way down.

Another day's work to get the runway back in shape. This is a violation of law. Vehicles aren't allowed on runways on any airport. This is an FAA approved and inspected airport and has been for the last 23 years. Disappointed in the people yesterday, the collection that was taken up covers about a third of the cost of this convention. It was the smallest collection that was ever taken up on a Saturday in the 17 years of these conventions. Went into a national park. It cost me $1,000. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. It cost me $3 to get in or get out, plus your parking for campers and trailers and all that sort of thing. Now we just leave it up to your own conscience, first

speakers up here. And you people that want to assist us to carry this load, we will appreciate it. But I leave it up to your honesty and conscience. If you didn't put something in yesterday, you should feel guilty coming in here and not putting anything in because this is a thing we all know. We all share together both the information and the fun, the nice clean air, the sunshine and this beautiful breeze. Unless these things break even, I can't possibly continue to put them on. So I leave that up to the crowd. When Marvin Bell and Al Jacobson come around to those cans, we're going to have to meet expenses today, or we won't have any more

conventions. That's what we're going to have to do. Now I know I've got a lot of people in here that haven't got any money and wouldn't give it if they did have it. Don't expect anything from them. We're going to open this program this morning, this afternoon rather. It being a Sunday, I think we should all have a spiritual aspect to our Sunday. And with a very dear friend of mine, and I think a lot of you have heard Dixie before, I think she has a fabulous Dixie McDermott in the middle of it. First speaker off here. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm here because this man and his minister, and I want you

to listen again to Frank Stranges. Frank, where are you? It's Dr. Frank Stranges. He's been in this research on UFOs. He also knows the Bible inside out and backwards, and philosophy and metaphysics. And I think he's a good opening speaker for us Sunday. And this is Dr. Frank Stranges, my friend. Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Dr. Frank Stranges, and I'm here to talk to you today. I'm Dr. Frank Stranges, and this program is about starting theNATO.org. Good afternoon, everybody.

Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon, everybody. Glad to have you aboard. You know, many people today, just think of the poor folks that are sitting in old stuffy, un-air conditioned churches, listening to sermons on hellfire and brimstone, wondering when day, what day the world is going to blow up. And here you are under God's beautiful blue sky on a Sunday afternoon in one of the best places you could

ever hope to be, at least I think I am. How about you? How about you? Say aye. Aye. I wouldn't dare venture to ask all of you why you have attended this convention, but I will dare to say that I have a feeling that before the final amen is said today to this convention, that many of you will be far more informed than you have ever been before, not just on the subject of UFOs, but perhaps other subjects as well. I want to say that I appreciate the fact that so many of you, hundreds of you, remained after the sun went down last night when we had an opportunity to show you the motion picture phenomena 7-7. I'm thankful for the good comments we got on that. But incidentally, how many of you remember that scientist that we had in our film, Chan Thomas? Do you remember Chan? Well, I'm glad to say that Chan Thomas is here today. I believe he's on the... ...program to speak to you this afternoon, but one or two of you said to me that you're going to have to leave very shortly, and I did want you to at least meet Chan Thomas. Chan, would you please come to the platform? Let's give him a kind of a hand that only a giant rock convention... Come on, you can do better than that. Chan, come up here and just say one or two words, will you? Because I know that folks appreciate not only his research in the fields of cataclysmic geology,

but many other mysteries of the universe that Chan has... ...delved into, including something that's dear to the hearts of many of you that you'll hear more about this afternoon. Chan. Thank you, Frank. I'd like to ask you all just one question. Oh, look at those cheerful faces. How many here have seen a UFO? How many have not seen one? How many would like to see one? All right, you stick around, and when I talk to you, I'll tell you all how to see one. Good enough? You can't go wrong on that, can you? Very good. All right, by way of announcements this afternoon, I'd like to state that Nell Westergaard, who has come clear from Florida, clear from Tampa, Florida, to be with us these two days, has her white camper parked directly behind my book stand over here on the left, the third one from the left.

And Nell Westergaard is the one who has such a fantastic gift of clairvoyance, and she has been able to tell me things in my own words. Thank you. She's a woman of life that have actually come to pass time and again. She's right back here. If anyone would like to counsel with her or want her to counsel with you sometime during the afternoon, why, please go over and introduce yourself to Nell Westergaard, the white camper behind the third and fourth book stall. All right, now, as far as those of you who took samples of ginseng yesterday, the potitang tea and all the rest of that material, we want you to know that we're sorry that the samples are all gone, but those of you who desire to have further information on the value of ginseng and potitang and the women capsule,

which is called by another unusual name, dong quai, it's all available at the third book table, the third book stand to my left. Now, let's get right down to business. Those of you who leave here today and have no further contact, I'd like to say thank you. Those of you who have no further contact with UFOs or related subjects until next year, if there be such a convention like this, which I certainly hope and pray that there will be, are probably wondering what you can do to receive information every month. Now, we would like you to become aware of the fact that our committee,

the National Investigations Committee on UFOs, puts out a bulletin, which is called the UFO Confidential Newsletter. We have a number of these at the book table. We want you to take them and ask for a free brochure on the Investigations Committee, and it will contain quite a bit of information. Now, in this particular issue that I'm holding, the 1970 newsletter, we have quite a few articles, including a summary of the famous Condon Report. We have a summary of a UPI story of an extinct species of a strange animal

that was found off of the southeast coast of Africa. We also have a little interesting account in here concerning Dr. Daniel Fry. Now, many of you don't know that Dr. Fry has been written...