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1970 February 21st Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Erma Norma On Astrology The Most Ancient Of Sciences

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [25:36] Main address
• [01:18:15] Development of the main themes
• [01:56:40] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

magnetic field with this now this structure without the mantle just the inner core outer core radiation belts protons electrons and magnetic trap magnetic fields is common to the atom a molecule the planet a blue white star a galaxy a super galaxy a universe just different magnitudes of the same power plant structure an atom if a neutron which is in the inner core of an atom breaks through the outer core which is the binding energy of the atom it will split into proton electron and energy neutrino and energy so a star which is in the inner core of its galaxy will be a collider

star when it traverses through the zone of the red stars which is the outer core of the galaxy it will pick up the energy of the galaxy the binding energy of the galaxy and explode a super galaxy breaking out of the inner core of its i mean a galaxy breaking out of the inner core of its parent super galaxy will explode that's where you have an exploding galaxy there was one of these not so many years ago and it was right in the middle of the inner core of the galaxy right toward the core of our parent super galaxy that we're in a universe we feel when it is born as a big bang is a collection of collapsed particles on a universe scale breaking out of its parent universes inner core and exploding and going in all different directions now we don't collapse again but we meet with particles from other universes and we meet with particles from other universes and we meet with particles from other universes and we meet with particles from other universes and we me In the inner core of another parent universe.

And collapse again. And there we spend an indeterminable length of time. Because there is no time. Time stops. And until that inner core becomes overcrowded. And we burst out again. And have another big explosion again. A rebirth as it were.

Now when the time comes. That a universe is approaching the end of its life cycle. Or let's say just a part of a universe. Here. Entering that parent universe. Or this part entering that parent universe. Or this part entering that parent universe's inner core. If we could.

What would we do? If we were alive at that time. Get out. Get in our little spaceship. And go to mamaship. And get out. And go to the next universe. Because now it's easy to do this.

Because we have the means of propulsion. Haven't we? Knowing how to harness collisionless particles. And build a ship that will travel at near infinite speed. And move to the next universe. Younger than ours. Plenty of time left. There is every reason to believe.

That that is how man got to this universe. That man is much older than our universe. To me, the Creator gave us creativity, understanding, perceptivity, and the will to do to the extent that we can do this. Now if we look at the history of our planet. And the history of man on our planet. It's quite a mystery. Because it seems.

It seems that civilization is only about 6,000 years old. This is when the Greek calendar started. This is when the Egyptian calendar started. But we know man is much older than 6,000 years. What happened? Well, we find Noah's flood in the Bible, don't we? About that time. And this is the science of cataclysmology that I've been working on since 1949.

And we've unraveled. I'll give you a quick summary here. That once every few thousand years. The shell of our earth. Which is only 60 miles thick. Shifts around the interior. With the poles going to the equator in less than half a day. When this happens, the oceans don't want to make that same shift.

They want to keep on going. That's why continents moving north to south in that shift are inundated by oceans going east to west. It's not 40 days and nights of rain. That's only a byproduct. It's the oceans rising up and going over. And if you read the Bible, it says the deep arose. And it's the deep which was the ocean.

It's talked about in the Bible. It's not the rain that flooded the land, but the deep. Now, when this happens, you don't have a slight flood here and there. You have a wiping out of civilization to the extent that less than 1% survives. Whoever survives. By whatever miracle. They survive. They are so dereft of every means of civilization that they have to revert to Stone Age living

in order to survive. This is why the last two Stone Ages are dated as 6,500 years ago and 11,500 years ago. It's a funny thing that that 11,500 years ago dates with the sudden disappearance of the Laurentian Basin ice cap in Canada. 1,500 years ago. The sudden disappearance of an ice cap in Australia on the exact opposite end of the globe from that one. Well, we find that the periods between these inundations are very interesting in that the

last one occurred about 6,500 years ago. The one before that occurred 5,000 years before that. The one before that occurred 7,000 years before that. The one before that occurred 10,500 years before that. The one before that, 14,750. As the universe approaches its half-life, these cataclysms become closer and closer together. After it passes its half-life, they start getting longer and longer between each other again.

We apparently just passed our half-life in the middle of that 5,000 year period. Now, the last North Pole, our present North Pole, is the Arctic Ocean. Before that, the Sudan Basin was at the North Pole. Before that, Hudson Bay, and that was the Lorentzian Ice Age. Before that, the Caspian Sea. Before that, Wisconsin, and that was the so-called early Wisconsin Ice Age. Ice ages are not a matter of advancing and retreating ice. They are a matter of relocation of areas of the globe so that ice caps go to the equator

where they melt. New areas are where the new ice caps are. These new areas are where the new ice caps are. You see those those new ice caps are the new ice caps that are in the world. New ice caps grow after relocation of the shell. Now, one of the things you will find in your communication is that you will be communicating with people from eons past who say they have lived in that time,

millions of years ago, thousands of years ago. People who say they have died in a cataclysm, such as Noah's flood. However, people who can travel in time, you will find that body tools of people who have died will tell you, yes, I can travel in time, and you ask them to travel back and describe a cataclysm to you, they will.

They will. Incidentally, two cataclysms ago, the ending of the Laurentian Ice Age was actually the time of Genesis 1, 2, and 3. Genesis 1 is a near-perfect description of conditions on our planet immediately following one of these cataclysms. And that's what this little book of mine is, The Adam and Eve Story,

which gives you the scientific rationale and a retranslation based on prehistoric languages of Genesis 1, 2, and 3. If you want it, it's back on the table. Anyway, when you start communicating with people and ask pastors, which you will if you're going to get into this, they'll start talking to you, because they're going to be talking to you. They're going to be talking to you.

They want to talk to you. Better understand the past history. Now, as these get shorter and shorter, they wipe out all the civilizations. It takes man, evidently, about 6,000 years just to get back on his feet again as a civilization. We've only had 6,500 years since the last time. And just think what's happened in the last 50, last 100 years.

Just in terms of the improvement of man's attitude toward his fellow man, if you want to follow the advancement of society by a single measure, there's an interesting way to do it. Follow the attitude of the human race toward woman in childbirth. It wasn't so long ago in terms of years that woman was considered as partaking in the most sinful part of her life to give birth to a child.

And she was roasted in front of a fire afterward to purge her of her sins. That was only a couple hundred years ago, three or four hundred years ago. That's not long ago. It was only, I can remember, when an obstetrician was the lowest in the medical profession. The lowest of the low.

Talk about attitude toward other races. Just that alone. That alone. That's just amazing. Well now, if we're going to partake of eternity, that was part of my subject for tonight, wasn't it? We're going to have to learn that our universe is not an eternity. If we're going to partake of eternity,

we're going to have to learn that our body too are going to have to go from universe to universe to survive the collapse of a universe at the end of its life. Now, I'd like to read to you, if I may, something that was dug out of a temple in Hindustan written 3,000 years ago. By whom, we don't know.

It says, Strange noises are heard proceeding from every point. They are the forerunners of the night of Brahma. Dusk rises at the horizon and the sun passes away behind the 30th degree of the zodiacal sign of Makara. I will no longer reach the sign of Pisces. The watchers of the pagodas appointed to watch the zodiac

may now break their circles and instruments for they will need them no more. Gradually, the light shall dim and pale. Heat shall get less and uninhabitable spots multiply in the earth. Air becomes more rarefied. Springs of water dry up. Great rivers see their waves exhaust themselves and die.

The ocean now shows her sandy bottom and plants die also. Daily, men and animals decrease in size. Life and motion lose their force. Planets can hardly gravitate round the sun in space. One by one, they go out as a lamp which the hand of the servant has not replenished with oil. The sun flickers and goes out.

Another day of 4,320,000,000 human years has passed. Night sets in and lasts till the next dawn. All seas are in the sky. The seeds of life are reabsorbed into the infinite which sleeps till dawn. That's a vivid description of the end of a universe written 3,000 years ago in India. Where did they get that?

4,320,000,000 years as the age of our earth at that time. How accurate. Fantastic. Incidentally, did you know that when the earth was born, the tribe in New Zealand, the Maori tribe, was first discovered by Captain Cook,

they told him about Saturn's rings? They never had a telescope. It was legends from prehistory of their tribe that had told them about Saturn's rings. I defy anyone to see those rings with a naked eye. How did they know about Saturn's rings? Well, now there comes that time when we're going to talk about Saturn's rings.

We're going to talk about Saturn's rings. We're going to talk about Saturn's rings. When inevitability catches up with us all. You know, one of the greatest equalizers of the human race is childbirth. The wealthy woman, the poor woman, the intelligent woman, the ignorant woman are really put on the same plane.

But the nothing, nothing matches the great equalizing effect of the inevitability of death which greets us all. I said greets us all. Because that's a birth. Believe me, it's a birth. For the first time,

we are forced to recognize the reality of our body too. This temporary temple, this body one, which we've lived with and abused and amused for all of our lives, departs after a few short years here. And this body too takes over. And there we realize all of a sudden,

that's me, I'm me, I'm here. And if you're, let's say you're killed in an accident. That's a good supposition. Suppose we're killed in an automobile accident. The first thing that happens is you realize you're walking around stark naked. And with a thought, you clothe yourself. Just like that.

Did you ever dream as a child that you had no clothes on? Lots of people do. And with a thought, bang, you clothe yourself. This is the body too world. And you walk around and you see this wreck. And you see yourself lying there. And you say, that's me.

But I'm here. How can that be me over there and here too? It's impossible. Calm down. Calm down and run a very, very simple test. Take your two index fingers. Make an X. And if you can pass one through the other,

believe me, that's you over there. And if you can't, well, that's not you over there. You see? You're still alive. And if you still don't believe it, walk over to a fence post and try that. These are all collisionless particles, mind you.

They'll pass through anything. You see? And if you still don't believe it, wait until the police come around. Walk up to one of them and insult him and tell him he's a no-good cop and anything you want to say. Swear at him.

And if he pays no attention to you, which, if you've done this, he won't, and if you've hit, he'll pay attention to you. But if that's you lying over there, he'll act as if he doesn't even know you. Now you're in a brand-new world. What do you do with it?

Where do you go? Maybe you remember a few years ago, there was a crash of the United Airlines DC-6 and a TWA Constellation over the Grand Canyon. Both airplanes went down in the canyon. And the, one of the controllers back here had seen this crash coming for miles

on his plotting chart. Well, after we got communicating this way, I was in the aviation, the airline business for some years, and I, one of the things I had done was to study that accident report. So I was well acquainted with the

conditions of the accident. And at the time we instituted this communications, I had forgotten the names of the crews. Completely. So what I did was to ask for one of the stewardesses on the United DC-6. Would she please come and talk to us? I addressed my message, you see.

And we got an answer. We asked her name. Later I checked and that was her name. And I said, it was a long time between the crash and when you hit the ground, wasn't it? Between the collision and when you crashed into the ground. She said, oh yes.

It seemed like ages. I said, what happened after you hit the ground? She said, well, we sort of stood around and we were all naked, but we stopped that. I don't know what happened or how. Then we stood around and talked for a while. All of us.

A lot of people were mad at the pilot. But nobody really knew what happened. I said, what did you finally do? She said, well, we climbed out the canyon. I said, what? She said, we climbed. And we climbed out the canyon. I said, how long did it take you?

Oh, about a day. A little over a day. This to me represented a terrible tragedy. Because you realize that they could have been out of that canyon like that. All it takes is a thought. You see? In this body-two world, if you want to be in Paris, with the thought you're in Paris.

I want to be on Mars with the thought you're on Mars. And the very ignorance of what to expect after death led to these poor souls, I use that term advisedly, climbing out Grand Canyon. We said, well, what did you do then? Well, I went home to my family. Oh?

And how was it there? Well, I was really happy to see them all, but it was very sad because none of them knew I was there. And I couldn't communicate with any of them. Finally, I just had to leave. But it's fine now. I'm very busy now. Now, this is something you'll find in the body-two world.

You'll find this in communicating. Using the communications board, you'll find this. Every person at birth is assigned a watcher. You've heard of guardian angels. This is your guardian angel. You're assigned a watcher. And many body-twos have this as a profession through eternity of being a watcher.

Find out who your watcher is when you learn to communicate this way. You'll find that all your life your watcher's been trying like mad to get your body-one to recognize that your body-two is communicating with your watcher. You'll find out that there is an awful lot of evil in the body-two world.

The world of crime survives because of the hidden aspect of the body-two world. You'll find that there is indeed a central control, which if you address as central control, you'll get the best answers from. You can call it God.

You can call it whatever you want. But it is indeed functionally essential control. A well fountain of fact and actual information far beyond your... anything you could dream of. It's central control who assigns the watchers. If you find, after you join the body-two world,

that there are a multiplicity of languages striking you from everywhere, you can learn an entire language in the body-two world in one day. Because you don't have to relegate everything, anything to your memory. Your memory is you. Think of that.

It's fantastic. Well, I didn't come here to be a harbinger of doom by a long shot. I came here to say that really a world beyond our fondest expectations awaits us. And we don't have to die to find it. It's here and now.

Just reach out with full faith that you can partake in it and you'll join it and reap rewards from it. Thank you very much. I mean, after the break. No, no, let's take a moment. If you have questions, fire away.

Yes. Yes, right now. Go ahead. Say that again. Well, this is mental telepathy, what I'm talking about. Mind-to-mind communications. It's actually what I call body-two communications. Is mental telepathy.

What do you mean by that? What do you mean? Well, is there anything wrong with speaking your question? Is it personal? Well, I can't explain it without knowing what it was, of course. And yet, I can say in principle

that in the body-two world, the closest to it, to death that we approach without dying, is the state of being asleep and dreaming. You see? All right, now. This is one of the things we've learned. That many times,

portents of evil in the future come to us in dreams because it's in the body-two world, and there is time travel in the body-two world. However, we find also that the body-two world has many, many masqueraders, kidders, joshers,

[25:36] Main address

who just set out to spoof us because they know we do not partake of the body-two world in our body-one world, that we are the most gullible of all planets going. You see? Yes.

You fought it. Yes. Yes. Well, there are so many factors involved. And I can tell you this. I don't know whether this is involved or not, but many times something like this

comes as a result of religious disruption in the family. It happens an awful lot. Or rebellion of a sort against parents. It can happen. Because the body-two will rebel a lot more than the body-one will. There are instances of rebellion

that will shake your teeth. As to their extremity, I'll give you one. Now, this was in the newspapers some years ago. And we investigated it by the communications board route. We've done a lot of other investigating

where there have been murders and so forth. And we've always known where the body was before the police found it. The two co-eds in Texas who disappeared some years ago. All this. All right.

So, there was a boy in his teenage years who had grown up in a family of a certain religion. And he was a good scholar, a good athlete,

a very well-mannered boy, a socially acceptable family. All of a sudden one day he got on a hill with a rifle and he was shooting everybody. Police cars, everybody. A real rebellion.

Now, this actually is in conjunction with a tragedy which we consider the greatest tragedy of all in the Body 2 world. Which we have uncovered and yet we have never had,

let's say, completely authenticated, undeniable proof. We have enough indication to believe it. But I have not complete authenticated proof of this yet,

you see. But I'll give it to you as if it is so. And that is that whenever a child or a teenager or a young adult even is subjected to extreme pressures,

let's say, of a religious indoctrination type or the scholastic indoctrination or the heavy parental pressure, understand, his Body 2 will say literally the hell with this

and not wait for the Body 1 to die and take off and even assume anonymity, even assume anonymity to keep separated from that Body 1 and never go back. And this boy

had lost his Body 2 to the best we could determine to the extent that his Body 1 rebelled against society completely because all he'd been doing leading up to that separation was adhering to what he'd been taught in the name of goodness.

There is more evil wrought in the name of goodness than we dare imagine. Now, let's say this happened to someone that his Body 2 took off and left.

You can imagine now what the conclusion is with respect to this girl in my son's class whose seven members of her family couldn't get one comment because they were hard, not one.

They were of that same religion as this boy who shot up the place. You don't have to pick on one. I can give you a whole hat full of religions that say, give me that child's mind

when he's a child and I've got him for the rest of his life. Why? Of course, they buried or separated his Body 2. And the direct measure of this

for proof is in that the creativity of a child vanishes when his Body 2 goes. Creativity is entirely a Body 2 function. Do you think

I conquered the separation of Body 1 and 2? Do you think you conquered that separation? Do I think so? I feel like I have.

You may have. I can't say. But I know this, that there is one sure way to conquer it. And once the separation

has taken place, there's one sure way to bring the Body 2 back to the Body 1. And that's the only way to bring the Body 2

back to the Body 1. So, now we're getting into the realm of prayer. Prayer is a funny thing because actually it is

a Body 2 function. If we ask for material things, the chances for that prayer being answered are just about zero, except by chance,

pure chance. However, if we ask for those things within the realm of the Body 2 world, for strength, perseverance,

wisdom, peace, and understanding, patience, if we ask for them not in supplication,

but if we ask for them without pleading, if we ask for them with the full faith

that they will be granted, which they will be, even without that faith they will be

granted, we will receive them. Any doubts, any lack of faith, we will

receive them. The lack of faith does not stop their being granted, it stops our receiving

them. Now, does this fit your pattern? It's in my book, Body 2. Yes. Yes.

The answer to that is pure and simple, yes. And to me, this is probably one of the greatest

sins of all time. One of the ways to destroy a Body 2 is with detonations. And to me,

this is the greatest crime of nuclear warfare, or even constructive commercial uses of

detonations. You can destroy Body 2s with those detonations. Now, the other

way to destroy What's that? I'm sorry. The other way to destroy

a Body 2 is almost purely that a Body 2 enters an inner core

of a planet, a galaxy, a blue-white star, a super galaxy. It will

collapse because there's no magnetic field in there. It will collapse to nothing,

and that's the destruction of a Body 2. As an entity, not the particles in

the galaxy. Now, we ran across something which is almost

unbelievable, and yet it isn't. And that was that Central Control said that he

can reconstruct a destroyed Body 2, but not as perfectly as it was before. And I

think the limit was three times, three times, and then it's no more. But each

time a little more deterioration from the individualistic characteristic of that individual,

because not every collisionless particle can be put into the same

formation that was before. So I'm just giving this to you as relaying a message

that we received, whether it's true or false. Maybe we have to wait and

see sometime. But they can be reconstructed, and I imagine, oh,

one of the most important things that we can do in

our lives is to understand what we are

doing in our lives, and to understand what we

are doing in our lives. And I guess you'll learn that

specific language of that profession. I prefer to leave whatever I write,

whatever I talk about in layman's terminology. And incidentally, that's what all my books are,

The Anime Story, and the Body Two. There was another question. Yes.

Yes. What LSD does it do in the body

two world? Anything. This is why we have these tremendous

psychological psychiatric distortions as a result of some of

the trips they go on. I was up in

December in thousands and they meet in movie houses. And they

think this is the greatest mind opening thing they've ever

subjected themselves to. Believe me, believe me, it's

the most dangerous thing. Because we know there are at least

three body twos in her which were not her own. Yes. Reincarnation. All right.

First of all, the word itself is a bad word because it means recreation of meat,

doesn't it? We know that from the statistical probability alone, you just

can never get all the information you need to know about what's going

on in your body. And the reason that

reincarnation exists is that somebody's body two enters the body

of a newborn child or another person and takes over the body

two can be destroyed. I said, yes. Fine. Yes. Well, now,

a body two departing from a person's body one at death, let's say, takes with

it all that has led up to that point. What you do in the few

short years you have your body one is the body one. You take that

with you into your eternity with the body

two. Now, you can see where some people take with them enough

disruption, discontent to where they just don't want to leave this body

one world. But what we feel is that this utter peace,

this complete peace is handed to us after death. It's not so.

We have to work for it and contribute toward it. It's our share of it

to contribute toward it. If you don't, in this life, I can't make you

happy. I can't make you happy. But I can make you happy. As

you may know, God has given us a

huge possibility of seeking salvation for one's self.

It is self-centered. He who Well, it will be waiting for him. And this is what I'm talking about. No, he doesn't know how to learn where he's going. You can learn anywhere.

Incidentally, for those who die natural deaths, and this is almost documented time after time after time, the crossing the threshold may take some time. But in the body-to-world, they evidently have people assigned to help you across this birth. And time after time, a person who's dying and sort of crossing back and forth across that line will talk to people in the room as if they're there.

And there are people that that dying person may not have seen since childhood. And my own two grandmothers, it was this way. And the names that came out of her mouth, and that person was standing there and standing there and standing there. And my father recognized these names as people, people that his mother hadn't seen since she was a child. And evidently, from what we've been able to discern from our communications, is that some people are assigned in the body-to-world

to go and help that person across and into the body-to-world. Where there is time for preparation, this can be done. In battlefield deaths, in accidental deaths, no time for this. No time. Yes? Well, well, if you get them all, yeah. Well, the concept we have, yeah. Only that nation which has a complete disregard for life will push the button.

There's only one nation with the capability and the will to do that now, and that's China. Have you read your Nostradamus? You know what he says about China? No. No, but they will. Well, both Russia and the United States are too intelligent to do that. Believe me. Yeah.

Wow. No, I think we're too intelligent to do that. The mafia wouldn't let them do it. Well, thanks again. It's been wonderful sharing minds with you. See you again. Thank you, Mr. Thomas. We really enjoyed that and appreciate it very much.

I think it was wonderful. And we'll be looking forward to your book. The following lecture, given at the Englewood Understanding Meeting, February the 21st, 1970, Herman Norman discusses astrology, the most ancient of sciences. Thank you, Barbara. I think you did very well giving background, and I don't think there's any need to add one more thing to it. If I am... Would you be able to pick this up all right?

Because I'm going to have to walk back and forth over here. Will that be all right? Yes. Okay, fine. Thank you. This chart for the chart of the 20th century is effective for everyone in every part of the world, actually. It's set up for Greenwich Englewood, which is the degrees of longitude, the Greenwich Meridian. And therefore, whenever we have anything that's plus or anything like that, if we want to know how it will affect the whole world,

we set it up for... Oh, degrees at Greenwich. And then, of course, that same chart can be moved by doing something, adding or subtracting from the sidereal time to any part of the world, which would indicate how it will affect that one particular part of the world. But for our purpose this evening, I was more concerned, I believe, with seeing how it would affect everyone as a world condition and as this 20th century, which has certainly been a very eventful century. I thought one of the most important things that could be noted about this chart was the fact that we had so much occupation of the planet here in the third house

and a lot of secondary significance in the ninth house and also in the fourth. Now, I'll tell you what those houses mean. I don't know how many of you are familiar with astrological terminology, so if you are, and I seem to be giving you very basic things, perhaps you'll forgive me because I want to make it clarified for everyone. The third house of an astrological chart has to do with the mentality of the individual, if we're doing a natal chart, and if it is of a certain location, it is the mental attitude of the people.

It's also a house that deals with communication. Now, this can be verbal communication, which can be, of course, telephones, telegraphs, television, radio, and radio. Any of these modern inventions. It's also communication as pertains to automotive industry. Or the horse and buggy was also a form of communication. The ninth house of a chart would be the chart of the higher mind, the abstract thoughts that the individual or the group would be capable of doing, of thinking.

Also, it has to do with religious matters, religious affiliations. It has to do with legal matters. It is the civil law, the law of the land. Also, it is the law by which we live. In your own particular chart, your ninth house would be your own law by which you live personally. As a nation, it would be the laws under which that nation lives. As a world chart, which this is for the entire world for this century, that then becomes the laws that govern the entire century.

Now, then, that's the ninth house. Now, the fourth house is the home. It's the foundation, the platform on which we build. And so this would be the platform being used or being built upon, I should say, by actually the entire world. So it gives us a very good clue immediately. As we look at the third house, we know that in this 20th century period of time, there would be tremendous...

activation and development in the house of communications, don't we? Because you see how occupied that is. It has three, four, five planets and a node or six points in one house. That is very, very eventful. So it tells us that Sagittarius is the sign of law and the sign of religion. It tells us that the people of the world, in this particular case, in this particular generation or this particular century, rather,

would be most interested in religion, in laws. Now, remember that we are, during this century, at the turn of the age, aren't we? We are at the turn of the Aquarian age. And, of course, there is some controversy that ranges on whether we've gone into the Aquarian age or not or whether we're just about to go into it. It seems to be, I would say,

probably the larger percentage, the larger percentage of people who deal with astrology seem to feel that the great satellitium that we had in February of 62 was the thing that presaged the entrance into the Aquarian age. Although there are others that disagree with this, I don't think that anyone knows the exact date. But at any rate, we know that during our century,

we ended one age and we began another one. Now, the age we ended, of course, would be the Piscean age. During that age, we had the establishment of religion as a mystic concept. All the orthodox religions, the old orthodox religions prevailed and they were really in their heyday during the past century.

Now, during this century, that becomes dissolved and religion changes. The orthodox churches change. We're going into the Aquarian age, which is certainly the age of the brotherhood of man. It's also interesting to note, I believe, that Aquarius, with its Uranian rulership, has much to do with metaphysics.

And so don't we see all around us a change, the change from the orthodox, old mystic religions into a more metaphysical type of thought? We're becoming very interested in all things that deal with higher lines, thought, more abstract thought. Also, I believe there are certain laws that govern humanity,

laws that were established not in the last century, but many, many, many centuries ago, which are now beginning to change also. Now, some of those, let's deal with that. In that third house, which is a house that rules the decisions of the century, the decisions of...

the people during this century, we have the very first planet is the planet of Uranus. Now, this is always upset, change. The upset can be catastrophic or it can be just something that comes about naturally, but it does bring a change and an upset to traditional forms,

traditional things that were crystallized in the past. It's a rebellious planet. And, uh... as far as that's concerned, it will be the ruler of the Aquarian age. And as we're entering it, look at the rebellions that we have. Look at the riots that we have in the colleges,

every place. Almost every paper we pick up nowadays has the report of a riot, someplace in the world, someplace in this country, any place. But it's not just localized here. It's all over the world, isn't it?

We read of it every place. So we see that traditions are being broken down now, in this particular cycle of our century. There are many strange things that come about under a Uranian influence, besides metaphysical thought and rebellions and things like that. Uranus has much to do with the automotive industry,

automobiles, motors, things like that. And this century has seen the invention, the object which has become now very commonplace, and every family has to have one if they don't have two or three, and that is the automobile to get around with, to move about with, for greater speed.

Now, this is all very Sagittarian, you see, that we're seeing. This planet, this is the Uranian planet, and it's in Sagittarius, which is a house that has to do with action and movement and speed and going places and far distant places. And so, under this,

many new inventions have taken place, and it has actually made the world much smaller, because distance is not the important thing it once was. It's not an unsurmountable thing as it once was. Now we get in a plane, and in a few hours we're on our east coast, and not too long after that we're way over in Europe, and distance seems to be a very little object anymore.

That is that Uranian action in the third house of transportation and communication, a promise for this century. Now then, we have Mercury, and Mercury is the planet that deals with thought, for one thing, with messages, with news, with all kinds of communication that gets about

by air, for one thing, and we have television, incidentally, electronics. It has to do with the Uranian element that we were just talking about. And so we have electronics, and we have greater and more original and new ways of communicating to distant points,

besides airplanes, of course, but our television, the telegraph wire, and things like that. We have a Saturnian quality here, and this is at 27 degrees of Sagittarius. Now whenever we have, wherever we find Saturn, we find a certain karmic indebtedness. This is where we pay a price.

It's where we pay or take responsibilities. And never do we get away from that Saturnian influence without either facing that responsibility, doing it when it comes up, or having to retrace our steps and do it again later on. But eventually we'll take the responsibility for that planet and whatever it brings

in our own chart. So in this particular century, a karmic responsibility for the world at large has been communicating with one another, giving greater communication, being able to talk, being able to exchange ideas. And also it has been towards religion,

the change in religion. That really is one of the greatest karmic things that you'll find in this century that we have had to face. We have another aspect here, and that is Lilith, that's this planet. Now many astrologers never use Lilith. It isn't as commonly used as the other planets.

It was not known of until in the late 1800s. It was discovered only because the German astronomers saw a shadow crossing the disc of the sun's face. And when they did, they made a note of it. And they discovered six months later that they saw it again, in approximately the same place crossing the sun.

And as they watched it, and this is the wonderful thing about scientists, they have so much patience, as they watched it again and again, they found this every six months crossing that sun's disc. And so they charted, plotted its course, and they discovered that it made

quite a very regular motion. And they determined that it was a dark moon. And of course it would come between our earth planets and the sun. So they decided that it was a satellite of the earth. And as we have the moon,

which we can see every night, also we have a dark moon. And that dark moon is Lilith. Now the interpretation of Lilith, that varies too. There's quite a bit of controversy about that. We have one authority who says that Lilith is always negative

and can never be positive. So her action is always detrimental. On the other hand, we have other authorities that say if everything in the universe has a negative and a positive aspect, as electricity itself is based upon the theory of polarity,

so then if everything has a negative and positive, so must every planet. And therefore they do not believe that Lilith can be all negative. So, I can only say that in my own research on the matter, that I have done many, many charts.

I'm constantly doing charts for every event that happens to me, besides natal charts, charts for the birth of people. But I do event charts. And I think sometimes, if you're interested, if you're working with astrology at all,

and you're interested in finding something out about the nature of the planet, when you do event charts, you can see what action it takes. You can see what action takes place through that planet. And it will give you a better clue and a better understanding of the planet.

So I have done this with many things, and I've discovered, watching Lilith, that she can rule all these various things. Now these are the things that I have determined. She rules exposure. She rules a certain chaotic condition. She rules all kinds of mystic

and secretive things. Now whether those are adverse mystic things or whether they're positive is not for me to say or make a judgment on. But there is a mystery element and a mystic element about her also. She pertains a great deal to the death of children.

Now this is very young children, not as they're older, but younger. She brings a sort of confused outlook and a sort of deception. Because people never see things clearly under a Lilith aspect if it's very prevalent in the heavens at the time of an event.

So therefore, I bring that up now because I want you to see, to notice, that Lilith was at 22 degrees of Sagittarius, whereas Saturn, the karmic planet, was at 27. It's only a five degree difference, and we can easily allow that much orb.

So we know then that something in the communications during this century is kept in the dark, in the shadows, and there is confusion concerning it. Now there are many things we've noted during this century, many treacheries in the world, haven't we? I'm not just speaking of things

that have gone on in our own nation or concerning our own nation, but concerning other nations too. There has been a great deal of treachery, and much of it, as a matter of fact I feel most of it, and probably one of the most primary subjects has been our flying saucer

or our UFO movement, has been kept very much in the dark, and they have created a great deal of illusion and deception and intrigue concerning that one thing. But it also, if it grants all these things that I've just mentioned,

it also does something else, because in a very impartial and impersonal way, it tears the veil from things, and so we have exposures. And so there are things that have been noted, let's go back to our UFO movement, there are sightings that were noted, things were made public,

and although the great effort in the beginning was made to keep them quiet, it couldn't be true. They could not do it. Because during this century, Lilith was destined, in that third house of communications, to tear the veil aside

from a very karmic thing, something that had to come to this particular plane, our earth plane. Some of those things have afflictions to them. Now by afflictions, I mean certain aspects that we use in astrology.

There is a 90 degree aspect, which is a square aspect, that always brings a challenge, a testing, but great stimulation and energy. We have an opposition, which is just exactly what it sounds like when two planets are opposing.

They are in opposite signs and very close within a certain prescribed orb. They are in opposition. Now this can bring a separation, but it can also bring a fulfillment and it can bring a balance. And we have some of those. Saturn and Lilith,

the planets that I just spoke of, are in opposition to Neptune in the ninth house. Abstract thought, the higher mind. Neptune is a little bit like Lilith in certain ways because Neptune also can create intrigue

and illusion and deception, things that are fraudulent. But Neptune also has the ability to tear aside a veil or expose something. Now Neptune rules fog and every one of us know what fog is like

when we're out in it. There's no question. We can't see very far, can we? Sometimes if it's very bad, we can't see one step ahead. But suddenly that fog lifts for whatever its reason might be, weather-wise,

suddenly the fog lifts and then we can see. Now this is the effect that Neptune has. It creates the fog, but as the fog lifts, then something is exposed, something is seen. So that opposition falls across

those two houses, the third and the ninth house, both of them mental houses. One a lower kind of thought and the other a higher kind of thought. So it was destined also in this century that we people who were fortunate enough, I consider,

to have been born in this century should see many changes and much balance being brought about in the form of spiritual matters, in the form of new thought, new concepts, and also things that go way out and way back.

Now I don't know if that makes sense to you, but when I say way out, I mean way out as opposed to old, tight, crystallized, traditional things. And when I say way back, I mean that many of our thoughts are going far, far back

into the pages of the past and we are gleaning from things that they once were, that they once knew in the past, and truths that had been lost and they are now coming out again. And I think if you stop to think of it, you can probably bring to your mind

any number of things that we know had been used before. One thing is medicine. Now medicine has advanced, science has advanced beautifully, but as medicine advances and many of our antibiotics and this kind of,

in the drug form of medication has come about, also they have gone back very far and now they are beginning to give great credence again to herbs, to natural forms of medication, which for a certain period of time

were poo-pooed and weren't even considered, were not used, except by perhaps a very small percentage of people. But now I was reading an article in the newspaper just the other day

about the fact that they have begun to bring back some of the herbs that they had discarded as being actually a very little potency or very little power for healing or something.

Now they are bringing them back, they are incorporating them in medicine. And again, we are reaching back into the past. And this is an aspect of that Neptune in opposition to the Lilith and the Saturn quality in the chart.

So many other things will be brought out that have been known before. UFOs again are one of the things because those things we know were mentioned in the Bible how many centuries ago. And yet,

there was a period of time when no one heard about them, no one thought of it, no one discussed it. If they thought about it, they didn't dare discuss it perhaps. Now again, we are reaching back in this century

into the past and we are bringing knowledge of that out again into the open. So some very wonderful and very spectacular things are really happening during this century.

One of the things that we watch primarily for changes are major conjunctions, major cycles. Now we have certain planets that move very slowly. And as for instance,

we have one cycle, the cycle of Neptune-Pluto conjunction which lasts about 492 years. That's a long time. That's almost half that century, isn't it? That that will be in effect. The last one we had

was in 1892, just a few years before the turn of the century, that Neptune-Pluto conjunction which happened to be at seven degrees of Gemini. Now seven degrees of Gemini in this case would fall

in this ninth house, the house of our abstract thought and our higher mind. Neptune and Pluto will bring about all kinds of new chapters in thought. Pluto rules the chapters in life

or the chapters in a decade or the chapters in a century, the chapters in any chart. And it opens and closes those chapters. And so that was a promise that came even prior, just shortly prior, to the turn of the century

that that conjunction took place and when the chart happened, when the century began, the chart showed that that conjunction would fall in that ninth house. So that was the promise that our thoughts,

our higher thoughts, would come into a tremendous change in this cycle of time. We have other cycles. The Uranus-Neptune cycle lasts 171 years. Now the last one we had of that was of course quite a distance

before the turn of the century. So we will not have another one until 1993. And that will occur at 18 and 19 degrees of Capricorn, right down here in the fourth house. Now again when that occurs,

that will be just prior to the turn of the century going into the next one, into 2000. And at that time, falling in that fourth house, it can depend upon it that more platforms

are going to be changed. And this is the Uranus-Neptune, so it's changed suddenly, drastically, suddenly and drastically in 1993. However, I would say that much of it will be

because of religious concepts. This is the Neptunian quality for one thing, and the Uranian quality is the thing that indicates the speed, the lightning-like speed with which the speed comes.

Now these are the things that happen when we have, for instance, explosions, bombs dropped. But I'm not trying to frighten anyone and I don't mean to imply that in that particular year we're going to have terrible bombs

or anything, but I mean it comes in that kind of quick lightning-like bolt. That's the way the change occurs there. It's interesting to note, going back into the past, and I'm a firm believer that we learn of the future

from the past, and going back into the past, there were cycles of Saturn-Pluto, remember our karmic planet Saturn, and Pluto, the opening and closing of chapters. Also Pluto has a great deal to do with inventions

because it brings in the new, well the new chapter of anything, but I have noticed that when new inventions come about, we do have a Pluto aspect in the chart. It will be by its transit or in the natal chart of a nation

that's bringing about a new invention or something, but their own Pluto in that chart will be aspected. So it does have much to do with new inventions. So we go back then to September 30, 1914.

We had such a conjunction at two degrees of Cancer. Now this was very important for this century, that particular one, because it would have fallen up in here, and directly opposite the moon

of this chart, which it was at two degrees of Capricorn. Now in that period of time we had several of them. There was one September 30, 1914, November 1, 1914, and there was another one

at May 18, 1915, which fell at 0 degrees Cancer, but that is still within the Orb of Loud, opposing that moon. So it created a balance again, and it brought something to fulfillment.

So what happened to us in 1914? You remember what happened? World War I. Yeah, World War I. World War I. Now that's very important when it is to our moon, for the simple reason

that the moon, here it is of course, in the third house, but it rules this midheaven. And this line in the chart is the line of destiny. So it's a very important axis. And so,

since it ruled that destiny, there was a destiny fulfilled by a major conjunction, a conjunction of Saturn and Neptune. I'm sorry, Saturn and Pluto. So during that period of time we did have a war. Other things came about too

in that early phase. We had the birth of a man who was most effective in this nation, in this whole world, I'm sorry, I mean. And that was Henry Ford. Remember what he did,

what he brought to us? He started, however, before the turn of the century when he really began to do some work. But in the early part of it, I think he had his, he designed his first automobile

in 1892. But he brought out the Model T in 1914. And that Model T was the thing that everyone had. It became quite a common thing and all kinds of jokes

made about it. However, there's something else he brought about. He brought about the fact that the first car in the world

was a model T. And that model T was the thing that everyone had. And there's something else he brought about too in 1914. He had,

by this time, brought out, he had brought out the Dodge Brothers. And it had become purely Ford. And that was the beginning of the Ford dynasty

in the automotive industry. And in 1914, he brought about something that he was very proud of, as well he should have been for that particular time. He had determined that

every one of his employees would be paid five dollars a day for an eight-hour day. And this was not bad in those days. And it was the beginning, actually,

of a kind of labor relations, which has grown into the unions that we have now. But Henry Ford, or his company, I'm not saying that he did it personally,

because I don't know that, but his company, at any rate, was the one that instigated this. He was very proud of that achievement. But Henry Ford,

or his company, I'm not saying that he did it personally, because I don't know that, but his company, at any rate, was the one that instigated

that achievement. But that came about in 1914. And that was with that major cycle, this major conjunction, which was opposing and bringing

to fulfillment with the moon ruling the destiny of the century. And that moon also has to do with the public. The moon in any chart,

whether it's your own personal or any kind of a mundane configuration, has to do with public affairs. Also, he made

a statement in his book called He himself made a journey for, he called it

a peace expedition to Europe in an attempt to do something about the war. It wasn't successful, but he tried. Now remember

that we had one of those conjunctions, again, May 18, 1915. And this is the one

that fell at O degrees of cancer. Now an O degree of cancer is considered a critical degree. There is an emergency

about it. And sometimes it does not come to fulfillment because of the critical quality of it. But something was begun

at that time. It was a peace feeler. And no other private citizen that I know of outside of perhaps a public official like a President

of the United States or someone appointed by the President, but this was the first private citizen who took it

upon himself to go to another country trying to bring peace. And this is the first private citizen

to take a part in a peace movement. They are doing it now. We hear of it now every day.

And there is all kinds of talk about peace. You know, bring peace, stop war, burn the draft

card, and all the rest of it. But this was an original. This was a brand

new thing that we must consider the public officials because their charts will fit in in

some manner with this particular chart. And it will indicate that that person has a great important part

to play during that particular cycle of time. And Henry Ford's chart fitted in with this chart beautifully.

I won't go into that now because you could give an hour discussion about that chart.

Then again, we have some other configurations. We have Saturn-Uranus configuration. This fell

in during the 40s during our World War II. And this was in May 3, 1942.

And it came about at 29 degrees of Taurus.

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Now this would have promised us in this century a great deal to do with death. Because it fell

in the eighth house in this house of the chart and that is the chart of the house of death. It would also

show that there would be transition. But that particular period or that particular degree in which that conjunction fell is a degree

of much suffering, much pain and something to weep about. That is the key

phrase that we use for that area. Something to weep about. So, 1942.

And remember that events many times cast their shadows before. And an eclipse or a major

conjunction will take place at one specific time, but many times it's felt for a little while before.

And or maybe again it isn't felt until a little bit afterwards. But in this particular case it took place

early in 42 but it brought about deaths and much weeping. And that was Saturn again. That was our

karmic planet. And it was Uranus. Now remember that each step that Uranus plays in these cycles brings

us further to this Aquarian age. Closer to it, more deeply engulfed in metaphysics. Each one

of them. And so for each event that it brings about there's also a very great lesson that we can

learn from one of these. Then we go to 1906 and we had a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction. And Pluto

is a ruler besides having much to do with inventions and new things. It is a ruler of death. And so

in June 26, 1906 we had a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction at 22 degrees of

Gemini which fell up here in this house and in the third house which can

bring great destruction in the third house and that was the time of the San

Francisco earthquake. It brought about that. Now Lilith is not necessarily having to

do with earthquakes but she has to do with anything that is hidden that pertains

to under the earth and it was a major cycle and it brought in the San

Francisco earthquake. And we know what took place there. We had in 1918

I am coming a little further ahead but this is also a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction.

In 1918 was the time that Wilson expounded on his 14 points that he

gave, that he introduced to Congress and that was in 1918. This he

did on January 8, 1918 and we had another major cycle then on August 11 of

that same year. Now each one of these cycles, I must explain this to

you, they happen, they take place and then as that faster moving planet moves around

the circle until it comes back again to its original point, it is always aspecting

this slower moving one. And every time it does this something happens. It brings

about an event. So for however long like the first one that I spoke of,

the Neptune-Pluto and the lower one, we have a long term of that cycle effective

on the earth plane. So you see how many things can be brought in with all

of these cycles. And so we had another one that was very important. 1919 later

on, coming right under this same cycle, 1919 brought in the

Jupiter-Neptune cycle, which will fall at one degree

Sagittarius and at two degrees Sagittarius in nineteen years.

So it will fall at one degree Sagittarius

and at two degrees Sagittarius in 1971. I mention that because

that will be quite soon, comparatively speaking, for these large cycles. And that

will fall on the Jupiter of this chart, which is at exactly one degree Sagittarius.

So in 1971, watch for more changes in spiritual attitudes, in religion also.

It will bring many changes in religion and religious concepts. It will bring

many changes in the world of the world of

the world of the world of the world

of the world of the world of the world

of the world of the world of the eight and hundreds of

the millions the millions There are also other

things though There are also many or by any means

but I don't think that time permits going into more of them but there is a marvelous set of of symbology

and it comes from an Indian astrologer the name is Chandra D. Mantri I don't know whether you've ever

heard of him his works are not too well known over here but he has written degree symbology for various degrees and those things

pertain to the chart in a way that I think is you won't believe now you must remember

that this chart is set up for the century but it is the chart of an entity that entity if you can think

of this in a collective manner as being one whole group of people under one over soul

or one larger all encompassing soul that is actually what we are on the earth plane through this chart

because it is describing what happens to all of us during this period of 100 years and so we are collectively

the entity of this chart it is the century but it is also us and so whatever I read in these and I will have

to read them whatever I read in these will pertain to every one of us in this room and to every one of us and to every one of us

and to every one of us and to every one of us and to every one of us throughout the world now I'm sorry that I'll have to read these but I think

after you've heard the first one you'll understand why he wrote these things in such beautiful formal poetic style that if I tried

to tell you or repeat it myself I think that I would miss most of it you would miss most of the meaning of it too because it's really

beautiful interpretation so if I may I'd like to read this to you and I will give you the planet that it involves and I'm going to

the very first one is this moon that was at three degrees Capricorn two degrees Capricorn so the first one the first symbology

that I'm going to read pertains to that moon which is the public you and me you and her

you and him all of us and this is what it says thou art a wanderer in a wilderness finding a curious ring of which thou knowest

not the magic properties this pertains a great deal to the explosiveness of this particular century in which we live all is not mere physical value take thou the pains

to penetrate beyond intrinsic woods ever canst thou push thy mind to greater understandings of life's symbolic mysteries you see we're going into that the metaphysical area

of Aquarius the metaphysical area of Aquarius the metaphysical area of Aquarius the metaphysical area thou travelest far but ever returnest thou

to thy homeland thine estate waxeth rulership cometh to thee if of the first half thou possessest deep religious gifts philosophy is thine and thou pleasest

thy governors we have very much that pertains to this we have another one that would be our the nadir of this chart the fourth cusp which is the thing

upon which we are established in this chapter in this century and this is it thy nature resembleth two brothers who struggle one with the other

for command of an estate which they have inherited one of these brothers is a cold and crafty planner a seeker after riches a bold leader the other is a sensitive and skilled artist

appreciative of music art and literature it's the duality of every one of us and the duality of all people in the world today and the duality

of the world the one perceiveth the outer things of worldly wisdom the other knoweth life's true pulse to be the force of love and kindness

the one seeth virtue in amassing gold and rubies the other prepareth for a more enduring estate in which the soul can prosper choose well the object of thine affection

for thou canst be swayed thy life is in the public eye thy child becometh strong and may have thou not famous thou hast the gift of logic take care to employ it for the good of the many

for it is a two-edged sword Have we built on that two-edged sword in this century? We truly have, haven't we? And then we have another one which pertains to the sun now the sun in any chart is the great spiritual force

the spiritual center of the chart and so this pertains to the spiritual center of the chart and so this pertains to the spiritual center of the chart and so this pertains to the spiritual center of the chart of this century. And it says, Standing at the gateway of thine estate, thou art a wealthy landowner

arguing with the king's tax collector. The estate is composed of many talents in the admiration of government, the management of worldly life, worldly wealth, and thine ability to make thy promotions pleasing. Much force resided in thy being.

For thy will, thou canst impose upon others for good or for evil. Imposing of will, I would say, has perhaps been one of the greatest factors for difficulty in this century.

Thy tax collector is thy conscience, the messenger of the king of kings, whoever knocketh at the door of thine inner being, calling upon thee to labor in the cause of beauty, harmony, and love. Thou art impulsive in thy good works,

more steady in thine accumulations of gain, in the latter days thou perceivest what thou must leave behind, and countest what thou canst take with thee to that other shore. And I think perhaps that this one is the most priceless one of all.

There is only one other that has the significance of this next one. And this is thou art a scientist on an island awaiting the ship which will take thee home. This also pertains to

our sun and to our Mars in the fourth house of that chart. It's the action and it's the motive of the century. Thou art a scientist on an island awaiting the ship which will take thee home

to thy native land where thou canst complete important work thou hast begun. Great are thine abilities and never finished is thy labor for thine ideal. Thou knowest the laws of man and of nature

and thy skill permitted thee to make excellent use of thy wisdom. Thou art aggressive and thy will is of iron but thou art not independent. The ship which thou awaitest is the cooperation

of thy fellow man. Antagonize them not lest thy results shrink. Thy child, thy love, and thy mate are all close to thee. Be not hasty in the bestowal of thine affections. Public responsibility is thine.

The bar of justice knoweth thy face. Control thy tongue if thou wouldst detain thine ends. And most specifically of all, quarrel not with thy brethren. I don't know how we could be warned by a chart any more than this

as to the things that we have done and that we are doing in this century. Some of them very good and all of them are exposed here. All of them are related here. And the things that we have done which are very adverse to us are also designated in these readings.

I have one more if I may read this to you. And because this is well that is if I can find it I have one more. Yes. We always have one planet that rules the chart.

Whatever the ascendant is has a rulership. And the planet that rules this is the planet that rules this. that rules the chart and so the ruler for this century is Venus

which we find down here at six degrees of Aquarius and it is in what we call a trine aspect so it's a giver of gifts to this century but if the gifts are abused then we pay

in the opposite way for it Venus is a planet of peace and love and harmony and balance but it's also a planet that has to do with war

now generally speaking they say that Mars is the god of war well he is there's no question of that he is a fighter he brings conflict stress

and contention but Venus also has much to do with war because she rules the open enemy and Venus is the lady they say that will go to war

to preserve peace and so we have one more thing I'd like to say before I read this this particular degree which is the degree

they call rising holds a fixed star and that star is Vindemiatrix and that is the star of great bereavement in a natal chart it is the star

of widowhood and many times when it's found in the chart of a woman in specific places and positions it indicates the possibility that she may be

widowed in her life well for a century and for a century and encompassing all the people as this one does it is not just bereavement of individuals

because many of them would know that but it is the bereavement of the masses of people on the earth plane it's actually I will say it's a warning and so the ruler

of that point is the one that I would like to read the symbolism for right now it says thou art a pleader before a high court asking for the release or custody

of a political prisoner who has had a scandalous affair thou art prone to take unto thine self too great responsibility in exchange for the unprofitable

pleasures of the world may have later attempting to justify thine actions rather than laboring to adjust thy ways thy mind is keen

thus tempting thee to use artful receipts to justify thine actions rather than laboring to adjust thy ways thy mind is keen

artful resource where the appearances thou wouldst have them see thy mate needs must be of deep quality

and attainment the mate meaning of course in this sense each person with their fellow man and it it is

of deep quality and attainment lest thou be delayed or denied the completion of thy works

thy manner pleaseth thy decision is powerful let them not obscure thy true words by the them now.

If you'd like to have them later. All right. Very fine. Then in that case,

I can stop right now, and if you have questions later on, I'll be very happy to answer them,

and I may go mention another few things in the chart later when we get back to it. Thanks very

much. There are a couple of points that I didn't mention before. This always happens.

I think I have everything regulated and all in order, and I'm going to remember every point I want to bring

up, and when it's done, I sit down and I can think probably half a dozen things that I

meant to say and didn't. So one thing in particular that I wanted to mention is in degree

areas, we have some, I think, very important degrees. A couple of them are very indicative

of problems that we've had during this century. The seven degrees of Aries, which is on this

chart, the seventh house, is a degree that pertains to addiction. It's an alcoholic

addiction degree, which indicates then that there would be problems having to do with public people

because that's the seventh house, so it's always the public, other people, and there would be an element of

alcoholism. Then we have another one, which is narcotics, and that is two degrees of Taurus.

There are others in the Zodiac. You know, we have 360 degrees and an interpretation for every

single degree, and there are others, but another one is the two Taurus, which falls on the eighth house, and

this is the thing that goes on with the underworld in the chart, and it is a narcotics addiction degree.

I thought you might be interested in that. One other thing now, when I was speaking of the

Jupiter and Neptune conjunction, the one that I forgot to mention was that there was a conjunction

of those two planets in 1945, and it was immediately at the time of the bombing, the A-bomb

in Hiroshima, and this was a Jupiter-Neptune thing. It fell at five degrees of Libra, which is on

the ascendant of this chart. The ascendant is always the physical aspect, the physical body of any chart.

So for a century like this, it would be something that would pertain to the physical

Earth or to people physically. And it was the dropping of the A-bomb that came in through

that cycle that made an adverse aspect, a square to the solar center of this chart,

the sun. So that bomb being dropped affected the people, affected the physical

nature of the planet itself, and it was a challenge and a testing to the spiritual

force of the century. So whether it was necessary or not, whether it has any beneficial

repercussions or not, is not for me to judge. But it certainly was a great challenge

to our very spiritual center of this 100 year cycle. And I think that there's one

thing that Bruce mentioned earlier back there to me. He was talking about astrology. I kind of wanted to bring

this in because I'm always glad to see it. And this is also in keeping I think with our Aquarian age that we're

entering and our new kind of thought. He was talking about his astronomy in school.

This is in junior high, he said. And the teacher, who was a young instructor, and maybe

he's kind of hip on things and bringing some new things in, has been giving them things on

the signs of the zodiac, astrological signs. And I was very happy to

hear him say that. I hope they'll do more and more of that in the future.

Now then, one thing that anyone could apply, if you are astrologers or if you know your chart or

anything, one thing you can always apply to your own chart, if the ascendant

moves faster than the midheaven, you respond to materiality. If the midheaven moves

faster than the ascendant, it is your destiny that so much spirituality comes to you that it

is difficult for you to keep up with it and to bring it all into manifestation. And in

this century, the midheaven of our chart here moved faster than the ascendant. So that means that

we have had some magnificent spiritual opportunities in this century that have been very difficult for us to

meet. Very difficult for us to keep up with. Let's hope we kept up with some of them at any rate

and maybe perhaps with most of them. Now, are there any questions that you'd like to ask concerning

this chart or concerning the work? It can be anything in astrology. It doesn't have to be

this pertaining to this chart. Yes? What are some of the signs that Aries mixes with?

What are some of the signs that Aries mixes with? Well, the sign of Leo and

the sign of Sagittarius. Do you have a little girlfriend in either one of those or one of your

buddies or something in one of those? You'll get along very well with them if you do.

Leo and Sagittarius are two of them. Okay? So many properties are ascribed to

planets, certain angles and diagrams. What is the rationale to describe these properties and qualities?

How did this come about? How did it come about? Well, as far back as ancient

records go, they have recordings concerning the planets and a planetary influence. Now,

some of those were ascribed to superstitions in the ancient days. And they said,

oh, this is not true, it's just a superstition. You see, we've gone through many

cycles in astrology because there was a cycle of great belief and then there was a cycle of disbelief.

There was a cycle when some of these things were practically thrown out. And some of the other

metaphysical concepts have been, and this is a metaphysical subject. And then later on,

as we came closer to the more modern areas of time, the astronomers

themselves have charted the course of the planets and they have watched its influence and

what happened. Now, astronomers, by and large, the more scientific of the astronomers,

have denied the validity, they say that it doesn't work. But actually, astronomy is the child of

astrology. There was astrology first, and then there was astronomy. They were the same thing, just saying.

The same thing that they said about chemistry was about the first chemistry back, but there are different

of that night, though. Yes, well, this is too, of course. However,

one came from the other, and so that the things that were charted and watched,

observed in the first place, had to be put down in record, and had to be brought

forward through the centuries, through all these long periods and cycles of time. But now,

in more modern days, they still chart the planets in their courses, and they still know

that, for instance, let's take the moon. They know very well what happens to the

Earth force from that moon. They know that it controls the tides, and that

they agree with. There's no question about that. That's just one of the things.

I feel that, if we describe it, I think it's mostly just that any physicist

or astronomer or mathematician will agree that the physical effects of the planets, or rather

the effects of the planets on mankind will be purely physical because they have the

influence of affecting gravity and any material substance that flows from liquids.

So it won't affect us definitely because we have fluid. In that sense, it will affect us. And it will

affect us probably our, maybe even with how light we feel because the gravity of the

moon will be felt added or subtracted to the gravity of the earth depending on what position the earth and

the moon is. But when it comes to spiritual aspects or the effects of the planets

on the human or on earth, that is the thing that I'm most interested in

is that there's a , you know that psychiatry is now beginning to

think in favor of astrology. Did you know that? Were you aware of that?

Yes, they are. Because they have found that when certain aspects in the heavens take place,

their patients react in a specified manner. And so they're beginning to give credence to it. They believe

that it has much to do with it, especially the moon, of course, but all of them,

but in different ways. And by observation is the way they have learned now what each specific

planet will do or what influence it has. But the greatest mistake, I think, is people

believing, or is for people to believe, that astrology is fate, it's fatalistic,

and there can be no answer or no other way out of it. Because there are things

that happen, and they happen in such a manner that it could not be controlled by

the forces of nature, we know this. But there are things in your life and

in everyone's life that you can control. Now, the aspects in the charts, as they

come about, will produce a potential for something. But you have a control over that.

So if you believe that astrology is purely fatalistic, and that there is no way out of it, if it

says you're going to fall and break your leg, or this or that is going to

happen, that you can't control it in any way, then that is not using astrology

properly. There's another way it's misused, I believe, and that is, for instance,

when people become so reliant upon astrology that they will not do anything on their own.

They will not make a decision without consulting their astrology first and

finding out whether they should do it or not. If they look at their

ephemeris in the morning and it looks bad, they won't get out of bed. This is

ridiculous. This is fanatic, of course. And the idea of them using it to

make their decisions is simply the fact that they're using it for a crutch, which is

not good. It was intended in that way. There is a way it can be used, and that

is that if everything is organized on this earth plane, not the earth plane, the whole

cosmic, if everything is with a divine course and plan and organized in such a manner,

then everything has to fit together. And so the planets, in their aspects, have to fit together with

life upon the earth plane, too. Not in a way to cripple it, but in a way to point a

direction, to use it as a guide. That's the purpose, really, of astrology, to be used as a guide.

When it's used for a crutch, it's not good. Well, it's true that planets will affect a

man's mentality and emotional life, but it's not that it affects their

emotional life or their mental ability directly, but indirectly through the

rewrapping of the fluid in his body. That's right. It's a chemical

reaction. Well, I don't know if it's a chemical reaction, but it's the moving around

of the fluid, because the movement affects the tide. So it will move around in

such a way that probably some chemical reaction will take place, because if the fluids are not

a certain part of the body, something is about to take place. They know positively

in psychiatry they have been able to chart the course of schizophrenia and paranoia, and that is

many times chemical imbalance within the body. It produces a certain effect, which again, in

turn, produces effect upon the brain, upon the mind. So it's like chain reaction, you

see, and one affects the other. So in the end, the physical body is affected, or

the action, the psychological action of the person is affected. But all of it comes from certainly

a very divine plan. And just as one more example, and then we'll have to get on to other

questions, when there is a new moon, when they have certain specific things, and particularly if it's an eclipse,

in many of the mental institutions, they will double the guard, they will put on more help,

more nurses, more interns there, because they know what to expect. They know what's going

to happen. Whether it's the moon or whether it's any other planet, there is definitely an effect

that comes upon the earth plane from it. So, we can go on later on, but I would

like to get to some other questions, if you don't mind, please. I just wanted to say one

thought that came to me on that was all of us here in the understanding

group and Dan and if we think that planets are inhabited, why couldn't

the spiritual and mental quality of planets also be backed up? It does have an

influence. For instance, a person is affected by the humanity in which they live and the country in

which they live. And stretching our mind out further, couldn't we also be influenced by the thought

patterns and the spiritual wisdom of the planets that we are brought into contact with? Well, the

influence of planets, as I understand it, is actually vibratory rates. The vibratory rate can affect anything.

Vibration can be so intense that it can break something. We know that. For instance, you play a musical instrument

of a particular kind or a special note and it can break a glass someplace. That's a vibration.

And in the same way, the planets also give off vibration. It's electrical magnetic energy vibration.

And so it does affect great distances, not just within a short space of it. And so that, for one thing,

that's one of the things that make it so valid as far as I'm concerned. Another thing is that if you watch it in

the chart and read the chart, you'll know what happens. As for instance, we know the effect of Mars simply because we watch

it in the chart. We see what happens when Mars is transiting around, comes to a particular point and turns

inside out. When that comes to a particular point, it's like an electric device, and when

it comes out, you're in an equation. But now, what you are doing is

celebrating the moment when Mars goes into orbit.

Now you know what's going It's an energy action. It's not just temper, per se. What do you think caused the Atlantis and the moon? Did it come from a man?

You mean planetary-wise? Yes, or was it something on our planet that caused it to go? I mean some energies from others that can cause it. Well, I think if astrology is valid and if it operates now, it had to be operating then. So I have no doubt that there were certain configurations in the heavens that were bringing certain vibrations upon those particular localities. Now, I don't know what they were because I have no idea

of where the planets would have been at that time. I couldn't speak knowledgeably on that at all. But as our concept of astrology is now, that civilizations rise, and fall. And they do so under specific vibration from the planets in relation to their own beginning as a nation. So as a country, as an island, as a continent,

or whatever they consider Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis to be, then it must have had natal stars of its own. And it must have been operating along with those stars. But along with that, I think we have to take into consideration that human beings are not just planets. They are not just planets. They are not just planets. They are not just planets.

Humanity has a certain destiny of its own to work out. And humanity also has free will, the choice of decision to make. And as far as their development was concerned, I think Atlantis was supposed to be very highly developed at that particular period of time. And yet there must have been other energies that brought in certain negative aspects which they succumbed to

because that is what they say brought the downfall of it, the negation of the people themselves. However, as I say, I can't speak knowledgeably from the standpoint of the planets because I have no idea where the planets were in that ancient time. Thank you. In 1976, when they say that no civilization has lasted longer than 200 years, is there a large configuration coming up at that time?

In when? 1976. 1976. 1976. Oh, well, we have some real heavy ones that come up in the future. I've charted some of these that go up to... I'll wait until I find them. 1988.

And that's the Saturn-Uranus conjunction that will take place in 1988 at 28 degrees of Sagittarius. Now, as far as this is concerned, it falls right on the side of this chart. So I would say it's a karmic... A karmic element enters in a karmic vibration, a karmic thing. In the 70s, is there anything particularly...

Is that that 71 in the United States? In the 70s. The 71. Yes, I'm sure there are. However, I didn't... I only gave... I only typed up one page of these,

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and there are many others. But I typed up what I thought I could cover in this period of time. Yes, there are. There are some in 1998 also. It's come up in 1989. Our very, very important 1989. This is the Saturn-Neptune. So it is the teacher, for one thing.

Saturn is always the teacher and the disciplinarian. And Neptune is the mystic quality, the thing that comes from way out. And that vibration takes place in 1989. And it will take place at 10 and 11 degrees of Capricorn, which is right on the sun of this chart. I think that's significant. It's spiritual.

It's a spiritual force of the century. Yes, I'm sorry. You said a while ago that in 1993 there would be a change in the circumspecting. That's very possible. That's very possible. Is that theonistical? That's a Uranus-Neptune aspect.

1993. Uranus-Neptune together. Now, you know, they believe now that astronomically they have charted the fact that the Christmas star was a major conjunction of that ancient time.

And that it was composed of Jupiter, which is the religious star, of Saturn, which is the karmic and the teacher, and the disciplinarian. And it is the thing that regulates and crystallizes things, brings things into motion and into organization. And there was also Mars added to that.

And Mars, that always surprised me when I read it, when I first learned of that, because Mars, being the warlike planet, was the most powerful planet in the universe. And it was the most powerful planet in the universe. I thought this was a man who brought peace. I thought this was a man who brought peace.

Why was Mars there? What was the purpose of Mars? But there had to be a Mars action, because there was a Mars action taken in his life, wasn't there? So it had to be. Yes. Yes.

I get confused. How come we don't have areas of one first house like other astrologers have? I'm used to having areas of one and then... Used to having what?

Areas over here as a first house. Well, that's the natural wheel you're talking about. The natural zodiac always has areas in the first house. But this is a natal. This is like a natal chart. It's set up for a particular hour.

And so when it is set up for a specific hour, it can have any one of the 12 signs on the first house. What do you call that planet in the second house? Jupiter. This one? It looks like a 4.

Jupiter. Now, Mr. Goldberg, did you have your hand up a minute ago? Yes. I have the spelling of this. L-I-L-I-T-H. Lilith. Lilith.

L-I-L-I-T-H. I can tell you something about Lilith. I had to do a great deal of research on the subject of Lilith a couple of years ago because I gave a talk at a national convention for the AFA.

And that was the subject they asked me to deal with. So in running down all the information I could on Lilith, I discovered that in Hebrew tradition, and actually it's in their Talmud, in their ancient books of law, Lilith was mentioned

in there as Adam's first wife. Not Eve, but Adam's first wife. But Adam and Lilith were at that time not physical beings. They were spiritual beings upon the earth plane

and she was of a demon disposition. This is their legend at any rate. And she was of a demon disposition and so she brought such havoc into the Garden of Eden, into paradise, that things were very unpleasant there. And the reason

was because Adam felt that because he was he was symbolic of the God force in the fact that he was a masculine force on the earth plane and she felt because she was a demon princess

that she should have been the ruler and so there was a great deal of dissension there. And Lilith uttered some kind of phraseology at any rate she left the Garden of Eden. And as she went out

she walked towards the Red Sea. She went in that direction. And three of the angels Simangaloth and two others were sent after her and they were ordered to plead with her to come back

but she refused. She was adamant and wouldn't come back. And so then Adam pleaded with God to give him another mate because he was very lonely and this time they took a rib from Adam and Eve was created. And Adam had been in the first place

been humanized by this time. He had become heavier and was obedient and that is a solid being. And so a rib was taken from his side and Eve was created. And she was then

his actual first mate as a physical mate. And at that point Lilith when she discovered this was just wretched. She just felt terrible. She was going to throw herself into the sea and commit suicide. And so then these angels

who had gone for her repented and they said that she could she would live and she would have children. She would not be able to have children because she had wanted some so badly because she wanted to go back again to Adam

and so that she could not have children but that she would be given dominion over all human children born the first eight days of their life. And so the ancient Hebrews put charms around the necks of their children and they bore the names

of these three angels and they used to keep those around the necks of the children because they thought it gave them good luck and protection against the evil forces of Lilith. Then Adam and Eve were driven from the garden eventually and this recounting

is in the the forgotten books of the Bible the lost books of Eden to the Bible. Do you have that here in stock? Well it's a fascinating book and it tells the story where the King James Version of the Bible

leaves off with Adam and Eve. That goes on and tells the story of what happened to Adam and Eve after they left the Garden of Eden and Lilith was very much involved with that. And well that's a very interesting story. I would recommend that book to anyone

to read that one passage if for nothing else. You kept pointing over here to the first or the 12th chapter where it says Libra and you mentioned Vindimitrix Vindimitrix, yes. I got confused on that.

What did it affect? It brings bereavement. In a natal chart of a woman it can bring, for instance in a certain placement it can bring widowhood. But in a chart like this that would be for a large cycle and for all the people

it is a bereavement aspect. Bereavement, sorrow, and loss of life and loss of things that were held very dear in this century. How did you associate it with a third house?

You said 41 I think. You mentioned 41. No, 45. 45. We had a major cycle that fell down to that ascendant. And that was the atom bomb. That was the dropping of the atom bomb. Well it's not opposite 3. How do you...

It's the ascendant. It's the point of manifestation. The ascendant of a chart is always the point of birth so it is the point where an entity has become manifest upon the earth plane. And for a century, for a period of time a cycle of time like that

that ascendant is the point that that century began. That it began to operate and be effective. Well this is not... I would have to set that up for Los Angeles to tell you that. You see this is set up for Greenwich, England

so that it affects the whole world. Because the Greenwich Meridian you know is 0 degrees and so that is supposedly the center that marks off the east and west. And anything that's set up for world influence is set up at Greenwich. And then if you want the locality

I would have to redo it and bring it out here. And this isn't set up for that. I don't understand why you didn't set it up for California. I think this is where we are. Well because I think that we're on the earth too. And this is supposed to be

for everything that happens during this century on the earth. On the earth plane. I was wondering, in the case you made certain predictions about California and I was wondering if you had looked into that at all.

If I had looked into that. In this particular one? I don't mean this particular one. What I mean is have you heard of that? Oh yes. I know about the prediction. I know about the prediction.

What's your idea? Well I'll tell you something. If you remember in 1962 when we had that big satellite and everyone was running for the hills and only just about a year or two years ago they did the same thing over in India.

They were predicting that we were going to have a terrible cataclysm on this earth plane. And out here there was a particular person who took some of her followers and went up into the mountains because she said this was going to drop off. If I could see it or thought I could see it

I wouldn't say. I think this is very dangerous to begin to predict things like this because it causes a very chaotic thing. It brings fear into the minds and the heart of people. And I think it's... I don't think it's wise.

It's practically the same. And I thought that you might have some ideas over here. No, I wouldn't make a prediction on a thing like that. I really wouldn't. That's just my opinion. Pardon?

That's right. I believe. However, I will say this. As this changes and it will through the century through that 100 years this will progress. And it doesn't progress

at the rate of of an exact degree per year either. As it progresses all of this comes down here and goes further up here. So that most of this is moving away from this angle

which is the Earth. This is the point of a chart that you watch for for earthquakes. And if you have a Uranian influence that falls close to that watch it for that period of time. It can bring tremors.

It can bring minor earthquakes. It could bring major earthquakes depending on the other aspects to it. But it's a Uranian action to that fourth house. And that's what you'd watch for. You mean on that certain year you have to watch that that bottom, that east

south line just for that year or for that date, you mean? You'd watch it for a time when Uranus was making an aspect very close to that. And it won't be back there again for a long period of time.

But that's moving all the time. This wheel is moving constantly. But remember what I said it's not set up for California so you couldn't use this and look for an earthquake in California in it. What about that influence

you said in 1906? The 1906. Let me find it here. Now it won't fall there again, you see. We will have others. We've had more. We had one in 1956. But that fell at 27 degrees of Leo.

And then we had another one in 1956 because those planets will go retrograde and then come back again so that they can make two conjunctions for instance in a year. And that was at the same point. Can there be earthquakes

on your other conjunctions? Yes, there can be. Pluto is very powerful for that. There's a prediction that San Francisco will have an earthquake. The same as ours here. But you see then you have to set this chart up for every locality.

So you can have hundreds of charts set up for every locality any place that you're concerned with or interested in. Could be Los Angeles, San Francisco on the East Coast, in the Middle West any place you want. But all those charts would have to be set up

separately for that locality to be valid. Just as much as we still have 30 years left on this century does it show anywhere the prospects of peace in the next 30 years? Yes, I think it does. I really think it does

but I don't think it's close by now. I think it is more towards the more immediate end of the century. Have you ever compared Nixon's chart with this world chart? Does he fit in?

He does. He's Capricorn, you know. And he has a Virgo ascendant. And he fits in with the Capricorn. Here you see this is a this would be the sun in Capricorn naturally it always is at the turn of the century for us. Remember that's for the Christian world too.

Because then the other calendar styles you know for the Jewish New Year was in September of 1899 uh previous to this.

Ours occurred January 1st, 1900 and their new year began in September, I think it was September 26th if I'm not mistaken before this. And so for their their century, for the thing that they would live by as a century cycle

would not be this chart. This is for the Christian. It's for them as to what they happen. I'm not speaking of earthquakes. I'm speaking of their evolvement. And it will show their evolvement as a class consciousness.

You see? As a group of people. It will show their evolvement. Ours for our Christian area is this. It's our evolvement. But you'd be surprised how they tied in.

Because I did that one too. And it ties in so closely with this one that it's amazing. Any other questions? This, I'm here to say, was a standard. Has anybody ever thought of a possibility of projecting

what would be the influence on this kind of standard? What about that with the astronauts? They would like to have charted a chart for the time that the astronauts landed on the moon, except they don't know, they didn't have the calculations of the planets in relation

to the moon, which would have to be different than ours. You see, this method that we use is geocentric astrology. And it is presuming I say that in that possibly too. It is presuming that we are the center. We know we're not the sun.

It's the center of the solar system, right? But we're presuming that we are the center because we live on this planet. And then we set the chart up for the relation of all these other planets to the earth planets. You see. Actually, the true

one is heliocentric because then that gives the relationship of all the planets, including the earth planet, to the sun, which is rightfully the way it should be. But we don't live on the sun. We live on the earth. And so we want to know where

those planets are in relation to us, where we're living. And that's why geocentric astrology was devised. And that's the one that they used in ancient days. I don't know how they would I'm very sure it would be done, but then they would have to

take their telescopes and go to the other planet, I imagine. Or maybe they wouldn't even have to do that. I honestly don't know because I'm not an astronomer. But they would have to go through a whole series of setting up a different set of ephemerises to have those planets related to that particular

planet. Saturn or the moon or whatever it might be. It's funny when they have these big planets where they don't have exploratory and all kinds of one of a kind. They'll have to do it. There'll have to be some way they do it

because none of our systems are set up for that. Did you by any chance come to our lecture a year ago where Rick Williamson gave the talk on the Mars Earth and the zodiac laws? Do you remember that he said

they just gets up high over this area and they plotted the land and it was all the figures of the zodiac. Yes, they had formations in the signs of the zodiac. Yes, I remember that. I was fascinated by that.

If anyone is interested in astrology, that was a marvelous lecture on that particular thing. He was going to have some copies made up of that lecture and I don't know whether he ever did or not because I didn't hear. I wanted one badly. He finally did. He did?

He had a very tight schedule. They eventually did. There were probably more of them available and so I didn't sign up for them. He had a lecture on your schedule. He was involved in the printing which was quite a

big undertaking. He had to find them. There were so many people. Such a marvelous lecture on that. And that's of course, I don't know whether you are aware that the British Isles has been really

a great center of astrology in the past. In the ancient days it was. That was one example of it. But there have been others too that they have found. For instance, in the well that he mentioned, as they went down in and found symbology in there,

some of that symbology were planetary symbols. I don't think they know when they were even put there, do they? It was so ancient. Would you like to explain why you named your school the Isle of Man? I don't mind.

In ancient days, off the coast of England, there was an island. It was named I-O-W-A, Iowa. The ancient Celts came to that island. They migrated there and they settled and they built

a great monastery there. In that monastery, they taught all of the mystic teachings, all of the secret mystery teachings. And then, some time later, as the centuries went on,

it became called Iona. I don't know why the name was changed. I suppose in the same way we change wordings and spellings nowadays too and things. But it was I-O-N-A, I-O-N-A. And so then it was called Iona.

And eventually, those priests in that monastery were driven out and the Celts left that area. And this came about through the ancient wars in that day. And so the thing fell into decay.

And later on, a Catholic order took that over and they rebuilt it and used it as a Catholic monastery. But of course, the interesting thing was astrology was retained there and they did teach it. Some of the other mystery teachings,

they started and they kept astrology there. What's the name of that island called now? Iona. But it's not... It's a very small island. It's only, I don't know, so many miles long

and wide. It's a very small island. But it remains there. But I don't think it's used for much practical purpose anymore. But it was very interesting to me when I read that. So that was the reason I decided to take that name and use it for the school.

I thought if they could keep astrology, so could I. Any other questions? Do you teach metaphysics here? I have a class in esoteric astrology that I teach there, but it is

a closed class right now. I take so many because I wanted a specific number of students. And it is filled with that number. When some of them drop out, I'll take new ones in. But at this present time, it's filled. And I do teach the esoteric philosophy

inside of astrology. Does that have to do with the metaphysical interpretation of numbers that you chose so many students? Yes. Another question. What is the astrological

aspect of man's return to the moon in this century at this time? The astrological aspect? What is the significance of it? Of man's return to the moon? The moon... This is just my theory of it.

That's all I can give you. And other astrologers would have others. But my theory is that the moon, after all, was part of the earth plane at once. And there was a separation and it became a satellite of the earth.

And I think its primary purpose then seemed to be in this thing of attraction. Because it did cause the tides on the earth plane. And it pulled man

sort of... A peculiar kind of thing because it's not the gravitational pull that the earth has. We have the gravity. But there is sort of a spiritual gravitation that pulls there from that because it was part of it.

Now I think it is eventually going back to this and I think this is part and parcel of the separation of the sexes that took place in ancient times. Right. I think it is a return to that. And it is being shown in the world in other areas

and other phases too. Yes. Can you tell us the address of your school? 6331 Hollywood Boulevard Suite 1110 6331 That's right. All right.

Any other questions? If there are no other questions then I'll turn it back to Mr. Galbraith.