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1969 Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Chan Thomas Then Lee Yates Talks 50min 1969 June 28th Doctor Frank Stranges On What Is Mans Next Step Into Space Jessica Madigan Sept 27 1969

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [34:29] Main address
• [01:45:23] Development of the main themes
• [02:37:07] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

I'll answer you by saying that I believe, from our work in Body 2-ology, if you want to call it that, that the reverse is true. That times of disruption within the earth create bad thoughts in men and women. Times of peace within the earth bring peace within the thoughts of men and women. Some races have far more sensitive equilibrium systems than other races. Some animals have far more highly developed equilibrium systems than other animals. Ducks and geese. Do you remember the Alaskan earthquake? Did you read in the newspapers what happened in the Tacoma Zoo?

At the very instant of onset of the earthquake, before the seismic waves had a chance to leave the area, the Earth was in a state of collapse. The Earth was in a state of collapse. The animals in the Tacoma Zoo started setting up a real holler. And the peculiar thing about it was the orderliness with which it progressed. It started with the animals with the highest degree of equilibrium sense. The navigational sense. The ducks, the geese.

It went from there on down to the anthropoids, right down to the animals of least equilibrium sense. They started in that order. And it was a clamor second to none. And the owners and the keepers of the zoo say that happens every time there's an earthquake. But that time was particularly bad. That they were, animals were all frantic because of it. And it's a kind of a clamor that cows are said to put up every time they're approached by a UFO. Why?

Because their navigational reference is knocked off kilter by the energy coming from the ship into the ground. Upsetting their normal navigational reference. To answer your question further beyond what you asked, It is so wonderful a thing for people to gather together and think the same thought that they can influence almost anything they want to. If people were to gather together in rings and join hands around a center in concentric rings and think the same thought, they could almost govern the policy of nation depending on the size of their rings. A very famous scientist, sensitive in Nebraska, told a friend of mine in a private that the day other people will feel

we are ready to be communicated with by people of other worlds will be the day that we gather enough people in, well, something as big as the Coliseum, who are all in the belief and the faith that what they are doing will succeed. And they all join hands concentrically and all think the same thought under one leader in the center who is speaking that thought out loud. And it comes through as one thought to be communicated with by others. And it really makes sense if you've ever studied ESP. I differ with that for one reason. Now this, I had not planned on saying this tonight. I'll say it. In the body two world, the body two, the subconscious, the soul, does not always wait till death to leave

body one. Sometimes it will leave in a glowing spiritual astral experience. Sometimes it will leave in near brushes with death and come right back. But we find that under conditions of tremendous pressure, I'm talking about indoctrinal pressure, of a religious nature, of parental pressure. Of educational pressure, where you are said, you told your, you think like I tell you to think or else. And you get this long enough, the body two will say, I will have no more of this and leave. And you have literally a person without a body two. And we find a prevalence of this of existence in communists. Absolutely no empathy, a person without a body two.

And you cannot reach them with prayer. The alternative. Scientific facts about cancer and cancer treatment. And about a year ago, we were approached after a speech I gave on cancer by some very fine businessmen in Palos Verdes estate who asked us to form a trust, which we did. It's called the Cancer Science Charitable Trust. And they gave thousands to this trust, to the work that we are doing. And the purpose of this trust is to get the best, the best, the best, the best, the best, the best possible scientific means for the treatment of cancer and leukemia into the hands of the medical profession legally as soon as possible. We are succeeding to the extent that the use of amygdalin is now legal in this state. Amygdalin. A-M-Y-G-D-A-L-I-N. Erroneously known as

laetrile. Legal to a limited extent in that the California Advisory Council will allow its use only on application by a reputable physician. Expect to, by June or July, sponsor clinical work in one of our more famous foundations, hospitals right here in the Los Angeles area, to take the last step to making it generally legal to use this treatment everywhere. We've gone through the first steps of going through the animal efficacy tests and animal toxicity tests. And while all of this fight was going on, we've gone through the first steps of going through the animal efficacy tests. Nobody had ever taken the trouble to go through the legal steps necessary. The fight was over nothing. All anyone had to do was to obey the law and it would have been accepted. The National

Cancer Institute has duplicated our animal toxicity and animal efficacy tests and are endorsing this treatment from top to bottom, saying it's the best thing that ever came through the Institute. There is no fight. There's no war. Understand? Okay. Now, I'll get technical for a moment. You can find amygdalin, A-M-Y-G-D-A-L-I-N, in Webster Merriam's International Dictionary. It's been known to the chemistry profession for 200 years. It's known that it's been non-toxic intravenously in the human being for that long a time. The prize of an aromatic molecule and a cyanide molecule and two sugar molecules, two dextrose molecules, first conceived was a substance similar to that which had, instead of the two sugar molecules, a glucuronic acid molecule

which does not occur in nature. It was called laetrile. And the name was loosely applied to amygdalin. And to stay correct, we say amygdalin now because that's what it is. Now, we know that when we get this treatment to people, and incidentally, we're legally treating people now, bringing them out of the terminal. I have a couple of beautiful cases. We're going to, there won't be enough amygdalin around to get it out of it. Within a few months, it'll be all gone. We've got to synthesize, and we've already known what it takes to synthesize, and we're going to synthesize something else and go through all the testing all over again and be ready for it. We can see where, within a year to two years, we'll have cancer and leukemia

wiped out in this country. A thousand people a day dying of cancer and leukemia in this country today. What's Vietnam? Yes. It submits to individual pressures. On himself. In this way, in losing his body too. In the Christian world, he can get it back with prayer. Communists don't pray. Experimental work that is almost unbelievable. Devising a training program to train anybody to communicate this way, and we had a teenager who could communicate a

whole pack of, uh, received a whole pack of cards for the training. It's quite possible. train anybody this way. I mean anybody. Yes. Everybody has the ability. Everybody's born with it. And everybody can get it back. And it is possible to scan any group and get a reading of the group by this means of communication. And this is what we did. We scanned. The response you get from a group is interesting. The response we got from criminal groups, that if this means were used to its fullest extent, we could understand and fight crime we're dreaming of right now. It takes a, almost it takes a separate unit of people trained for this who don't even associate with civilization. Because the minute you associate with normal civilization, you are forced back

into this position of severing the body one and body two functions. You have to fight to get back the tie between conscious and subconscious every day. Yes. I can scan this group and get a reading of the group. I can scan this group and get a reading of the group. I can scan this group and get a reading of the group. I can scan this group and get a reading of the group. I can scan this group and get a reading of the group. I can scan this group and get a reading of the group. Negative thoughts from any place in the room. I get the positive ones, you bet. But you'd be surprised how negative ones stand out, like a sore thumb. The interesting experiences in this respect back in 1962 time, anybody who talked about cataclysmology was considered a real crackpot.

He was a nut of the first order. And on the day our fourth child was born, I was supposed to give a talk on cataclysmology at the University of Wichita. And I um, if I were a all day. See, I didn't leave until 10.30 that morning after the child was born. Oklahoma City, and they met me with a private plane there and flew me to Wichita. I had a quick shower and showed up at the banquet just in time to start dinner.

And I hadn't had my clothes off except for that shower for 48 hours. It was a... Oh, this is something else. I've got to say this because we've done work on natural childbirth for years. Another thing we found out

in this body soup business is that how a child is born shapes his body too as to whether it's battling or peaceful. And natural childbirth is one of the greatest influences toward an emotionally healthy

child from that respect you could ever hope for. I won't go into the details, but there are details of why. Anyway, when I stood up to talk that night, I think I was more relaxed than I'd ever been in my life. And I talked, I found out,

after I got there, that this was a symposium of every professional scientific and engineering society in the state of Kansas. And they had having me there to talk to them on cataclysmology. And the table right in front of me of about 30 people was all the geologists.

And physicists way over there and everybody else. This is amazing. And all through my speech, I was on my feet talking from 8.30 till 11.30, three hours. They had me in a two-hour question-and-answer session. And about 2,000

people there and not a soul left. And all through the speech and the question-and-answer session, I was getting signals from over at this direction that were tending to bury me. Oh, it was awful. I was getting beautiful signals from the geologists. I was utterly amazed. I thought I'd get

them from... I had to stop in the middle of the Q&A session. I said, somebody over at the physics table is fighting mad at me. And I want him to stand up and give me his question and stop burying it within himself. And this guy stood up in a livid rage

and fired a question at me. He had just finished writing his Ph.D. thesis, discounting everything I was saying. And I was upsetting his whole world, you see. And after he did that, the guy who was obviously the head of the geologist's table, an old

white-haired gentleman with a happy, smiling face, stood up and he said, Mr. Thomas, our table here, he said, none of us are book boys. We're all practicing geology. Geologists out in the field. We see what you talk about. He said, believe me, we've had the most thrilling

night in our lives because you have solved every heretofore unsolved problem in geology with what you said tonight. And he sat back down again. So this guy, he walked out. Yes.

They're doing something up at Cambridge Research Center on this now. But I read their papers on it and technically involved, involved in it to get properly involved. I think that I may submit an unsolicited proposal for Chan

Incorporated, which is my company. Laughing, they say that stands for creative harassments and nuisances. To do some prime contract work for them. We've done prime contract work for the Air Force. Pretty sure that it's not really plausible in that the astronauts are not

isolated to the extent that they can indulge in this as factual communication. Reliably. Now we have in past communicated with them while they were in orbit around the Earth. Asked them for questions. Asked them

questions about their position, their location, and the time and everything. And we purposely were not keeping track of where they were. So that this was the only answer we got at the time. After the mission was over, we went back and checked the information and it was correct. Other interesting experiences, for instance, do you remember

the crash of the United DC-6 and the TWA Constellation in the Grand Canyon oh, ten some years ago? Remember that? We communicated with the, now this is just, we communicated with the stewardess on the United

flight. And she gave us her name. We didn't know who it was. We didn't know who the crew was. She gave us her name. We checked on it and it was her name. So there was that factual verification. And we asked her, what happened after they crashed? And she said, well, everybody was standing around

but we were dead. So we were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. We were dead. I said, well, then what did you do? She said, well, we spent the rest of the day climbing out the canyon. Pitiful! They could have been out like that! You see? That's all it would have taken. Incidentally,

in our civilization, do you realize that we prepare people for birth, we prepare them for life, but we never prepare them for death. And if everybody's going to go through it, you and I, right? I'm in no rush, neither are you. But let me tell you what to expect. And the people who suffer the most are those

who die suddenly. Battlefield deaths. Automobile accident deaths. When you die, it's a birth, believe me. The first thing you feel, suppose you die suddenly, like in an automobile accident. The first thing is that you realize that you're stark naked. This

body, too, doesn't carry the clothes with it, but all it takes is a thought, and it's clothed again. Did you ever dream as a child that you had no clothes on? Lots of people do. That's actually a body, too, experience, where your body, too, is going out, taking a trip during your sleep.

And it sees that it's naked. And sometimes, if you remember, you could even think clothes, and you've got clothes on. That's all it takes. Then the first impulse is to continue doing what you were doing. If you were driving a car, and you were in a crash, well, you want to do it again, and keep on going.

You look here, well, there's the car, and by golly, there I am, lying there. Can't be! I'm here! You see, what we know also is that the body, too, is your personality, your memory, everything we which is you is in body, too,

not body, one. It is the part of you that is you, the body, too. Now, so now you say, alright, well, am I alive or am I dead? What do I do? First, conduct a very simple test.

Take two fingers, and see if you can run one through the other. If you can, it's something different, isn't it? If you still don't believe it, walk up to somebody, who's, you know, walking around like the policeman who's taking notes.

Walk up, make a crack to him that you never would make to a policeman. If he ignores you, doesn't even act like you're there, well, you can be pretty sure. Now, if you die a normal death, let's say with your boots off, and you're sick

in bed, be prepared to have friends from the beyond whom you haven't seen for a long, long time. They'll come and help you through. One thing you'll find is that everyone has an assignment

in this body tool world. Everyone. You have yours. I have mine. If you find out what this assignment is before you die, so what's the better? Some people, especially women, have the assignment of helping babies who die.

Imagine the hereafter of a baby who has not had a life, and he's got to be trained somehow. He's got to be given some knowledge, or else his hereafter is nothing. There are women who have this task.

I know yet of no man who has this task. You've heard of guardian angels? Hm? You know what they call themselves? Watchers. There are people who have this assignment. On the day you're born, you're assigned a watcher.

If you want to check this, and you have a week of order at home, that is your communications medium. It does not do a thing. There's nothing mysterious about it. There's nothing supernatural about it. All it is is an indication

for what your nervous system, your body too, is receiving. Treat it like a telephone. When you call somebody on the telephone, first you address, don't you? You dial. Then somebody says hello. Will you just sit there and wait for them to say something?

No, you talk to them. You get an answer back. And converse, right? When you write a letter, do you just put a blank envelope in the mailbox? No, you write an address on it. Alright, so you want to talk to somebody. If you say it out loud, your body too

is putting out the same message. And that's the one that counts. Saying it out loud organizes your body too thoughts. So you say, I want to talk to so and so. I want to talk with Lizzy Glatch in East Hackensack, New Jersey. Lizzy Glatch will answer.

Say, I want everybody else off this line. Just Lizzy Glatch. Now, one of the things that you'll find if you use this, and don't ever just stop. When you're on the telephone, you say, well, it's nice talking to you. Goodbye. Hang up. Right? Don't ever just stop. Close out a conversation.

Goodbye. Nice talking with you. Thank you. You're welcome. Use the niceties of everyday politeness. It works. Now, you'll find that if you address centrally, you'll get an answer.

And this is the foundation of information beyond all fanciful dreams. There are spoofers. There are liars. There are pretenders. There are wishful thinkers. And you've got to sort them out from the truest.

There are those who will even masquerade as central control. You've got to if you doubt what you're told, you jam the system. And this is interesting. It brings success. And this to me,

oh boy, we can talk about Jesus here walking on the water. Now, Jesus knew how to make his body two, leave his body one. And do other people with it. And to demonstrate this to his disciples, he said, look, I'll make my body two walk on water. And he showed them.

And he had trained them well enough to where they were seeing his body two with their body twos and their body ones. They had connection. Which he had trained them to have. Yet they didn't understand it. They thought that he himself with his body

one was out there in the water. And he was doing this to train them. To teach them how to live in the body two world. Oh, we could go into a that's another lecture of mine called Jesus on the Cross. We know so much about what he did then. Yes.

We live in a world of social acceptability. Scientific acceptability. I'm speaking things here tonight which are scientifically repugnant. You understand? And I know that.

I'm a scientist for saying it. Yet I'm just saying it. Because I think they're of value to say. People who are raised in an intellectually, spiritually free environment with very little parental pressure

if possible. Children who don't lie. Ever. They grow up to be this kind of a person. You understand? It's amazing to associate with a child because they're untouched by the pressures of civilization

which demand that you lie. My, you have the prettiest hat on today. You know, like hell she does. Just a chance remark like that has its effect. To say something you don't mean has its effect on severing

your own body one and body two. Your own conscious and subconscious. Conscious as far as we can determine. Closely tied together. It is only by influence around that child that the two are severed. And to me if this is true

it speaks so loudly for God's intent of how civilization should be. We're given the chance at birth to live the kind of life that would be fantastic. If suppose that the rule of society

for your social maturity your measure of sharing what's in your mind were paramount. If you were found trying to hide what's in your mind you'd be sent to the asylum. Not to the asylum.

You'd be sent for training. You'd be sent to the psychiatrist for reattachment of body one and body two. See? And maybe the psychiatrist wouldn't be a psychiatrist anymore. He'd be in the same profession

which is a combination of doctor, minister and psychiatrist. He'd have to be, wouldn't he? Who would dare intend to do evil to anyone else? Many of the thoughts which we have today

which society tells us are evil would be so standard to everyone we realize they're not evil at all. It's only intent to do evil to others that is truly evil. Other thoughts aren't really evil. And who would dare

to intend he'd be uncovered like that if we all shared minds. If we all retained this tie between one and two. Jean Dixon has a fabulous tie between her body one and body two and it's her watcher

that feeds her information about the future. I really don't know how you change a society. Jesus got himself killed for trying to do it too fast. It's wiped out by society the minute you put a child in school. We had our children's,

our teenagers' minds one and two connected to the extent it took two weeks in an Easter vacation. They went back to school one of them in high school one of them in junior high and they came back from school that day and our son said

what's an exam? I know what the teacher's thinking I know what the kids are thinking educational system is founded on the basis of hiding what's in your mind. All the girls in school knew how to do this

not one of them would dare have a catty thought again and they were severed again. Our six year old child was absolutely fabulous in this means of communication. All it took was a month in kindergarten.

In kindergarten she'd come home and I mean when this severance takes place the spark goes out of a child's eye. Do you remember on Danny Kaye's Christmas show a few years ago

this child Victoria sat on his lap and she sat there with stars in her eyes looking at him singing something something supercalifragilisticexpialidocious no child could say that on her own

but you see to be a good transmitter let's say to be a good transmitter of ESP you put out the same signal with your body two that you do your body one and what you do with an audience

is actually capture every one of their subconscious with your subconscious a good speaker a good showman has this ability of putting out everything he's putting out subconsciously as well as consciously.

Danny Kaye has it and here this child who still had a strong connection between body one and body two sat there reveling in the concept that here is an adult who's telling me the same thing with his voice as he is

with his mind and all she did was voice back what he was communicating to her he was sending her supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and she was just saying it as he thought it you see she had her back

well right after that her mother who was a frustrated actress took the girl and gave her training see pressure here pressure there pressure here dancing speaking acting at that age and she revolted against this she was thrown into the world

of severed ones and twos she rebelled against the whole thing she came back on his show and had no communication with him and was worthless he never had her back again and this is what happens in our third child

literally the stars leave a child's eye when this happens it's tragic our civilization will mature when we realize this when we open a special school somewhere and we send children there

[34:29] Main address

and bring them up this way to retain that tie then we'll mature that's what to do about it I didn't think of that till this now I think of the pre-kindergarten where the teacher doesn't say you shouldn't do this or that

any child who commits evil to another child is out only children who do not do evil to other children are allowed there there are enough children going around enough children available that you're allowed that rule you'll be full

that school will be full I'll bet you if I put a notice out in the paper we are opening a school like this in one year it would be jammed no exams no exams the minute you have an exam you've cut the conscious and subconscious

you can't give a school with no exams to present day civilization but the minute you start a civilization that says we share minds not when we want to you've got the only available next step forward religion hasn't done it

let's talk body too as the soul this is what I meant by soul there are two ways to annihilate a body too you don't annihilate it you break it up you destroy its entity first of all its entity

you destroy its structure it's a gathering of particles if there is some way to scatter those particles then you've broken up the structure a nuclear detonation will scatter those particles in the vicinity of the nuclear detonation

everywhere in that detonation that atoms are broken up that structure will be broken up and scattered I think that the the person the personality the memory

the experience is all recorded and is part of the gathering of those particles the function of the human mind having to do with memory is yet to be found there is no place in the brain

where memory can be found the body too is to put that body too in an inner core somewhere the body too doesn't know that it can travel to the extent that it can

which is anywhere sometimes it doesn't know that it has to stay out of inner cores inner core of a galaxy inner core of a planet inner core of a star there is no the two particles will collapse

into each other it will just end right there the particles would exist but not as that entity anymore I wish I had brought with me something I just thought of which came out of the temples

in Hindustan three thousand years ago it is a recording by the Hindus as given to them by prehistoric civilizations of India of the end of a planet, the end of the universe. And their description is so fantastically correct.

It lends credence to a lot of things that we thought were the wildest of dreams. Their description of the shrinking of atoms to nothing, the shrinking of all living life, the disappearance of waters, and the stopping of time as we know it, and the time clock as to the age of our universe, was so correct as to where we are right now as compared to when we started. I think they said 4.32 billion years is our half-life,

which is awfully correct. It's a very vivid thing that they describe. Now, we have reason to believe that the universe as we know it is only one of many, many, almost an infinite number of universes. Indeed, an infinite number of universes. And as each one is born with a big bang, that big bang is when it escapes from an inner core of a parent universe. And it goes through an outer core energy zone of that universe and explodes.

And that was our big bang. And it scatters, and we are expanding now in an expanding universe. And as we go out and out and out, parts of our universe will wind up in other inner cores of other universes eventually. And... If it would, it would be time to leave and find another universe to live, wouldn't it? Hmm? And there is every reason to believe as far as I am concerned,

on my own hypothesis, that man is old enough of being to where he has lived through many universes and moved from universe to universe, and came here from a previous universe via space travel. And let's look at the plausibility of that. If you look at our planet alone, and you look at how it operates as a motor and a generator, it's rotating and orbiting.

And it's taking energy in the North Pole and energy out the South Pole, and energy emanating from it, in terms of collisionless particles emanating from it. Suppose we, instead of one South Pole, could put three South Poles, and somehow within it, direct this energy out any one, two, or three of the South Poles. We, and let's make it hollow and put people in it instead of on it. Make this collisionless particle thing controllable inside,

so we create a gravitational field inside, commensurate with that that is on our planet. Now we've got a, a, functionally, a freely navigating planet, rather than one which just orbits and rotates. Within this world of collisionless particles, if we can make it behave, only in answer to the laws governing those, the speed of travel, uh, well, we'll take you to Saturn in five minutes.

Or we'll take you to Andromeda over the weekend. You see? It's far more plausible than we are led to believe by today's technology. So, I firmly believe that man is a far more older creature than we are led to believe on this planet. We came, I think we came here, world, I think that, uh, possibly,

some scouting is going on from people who are looking for a new world to go to now. From people looking from a universe that's time to leave. That information which is stored in the pyramid of Khufu or Giza was meant for our civilization. Now, Egypt itself would be inundated, partly, and emerged again as a land of, uh, ancient, a land of the ancients, after the next time. The pyramid would not be the true, the reference to true north that it is today. If we were to build it,

if we were to build that pyramid today, it would be impossible, first of all, to survey it in, as accurately as it is surveyed in, with reference to true north. We can't survey that accurately. And yet, whoever laid it in, predicted our north, before the cataclysm, with the accuracy that it is. Because it was laid out with respect to the present north, before the last, last cataclysm. Maybe we'll get around to building one for the next civilization, I don't know. Heh. Uh,

we've got to discover more truths to put in it, than we have, I think. Uh, God's design. First of all, I, I think that, physical death, in God's design, is not as significant as our civilization, makes it out to be. So, I think the significance of cataclysms is not that significant.

We are in the midst, of the half-life of our universe, which puts our cataclysms much closer together. Now, let's, let's, let's, uh, name periods of time. The last cataclysm was sixty-five hundred years ago. The one before that was five thousand years before that. And that was the shortest interval between cataclysms. Halfway between,

was the half-life of our universe. The one before that was seven thousand years before that. The one before that was ten thousand five hundred years before that. The one before that was fourteen thousand seven hundred and fifty years before that. These are all mathematically derivable. Now, so that, our civilization, is in the midst of the times of when they do come closer together than ever before.

Uh, think of what it takes, it takes about five thousand years for man just to stagger back to his feet again as a civilization, after one of these. Look at what's happened in the past one hundred years. Oh, I can talk about the, all the technology in the world. But you can talk about advances of civilization in terms of some very simple things, like man's attitude toward woman, and childbirth.

Or when the profession of obstetrician was scorned in the medical profession. It was only a few centuries ago that every woman in Europe had to be, baked in front of a fire to rid her of her sins after the child was born. Look at the knowledge of how to deliver a baby in the past fifty years. Look at the attitude of man toward his fellow man, just in the past. Thirty years. Our beat generation today, our hippie generation, is seeking a way, he doesn't know how,

but he's seeking something better than we've got. Of the criminal element within it. And they are not given the guidance, I say, and I could be wrong of course, I'm only human, I say that the only real way is to teach our young people the retaining of the tie between body one and body two. So, God's design, first of all, is, when man refuses to regulate his own population,

religions like this, I'm not naming one, any religion that says multiply as fast as you can, with no restraints, you're going to have life as cheap as it is. And with life as cheap as it is, you're going to have war and crime. We've got an awful lot of maturing to do. Let's have just two more, one from you. Sure, what civilization built the pyramids? We really don't know.

Legend says that a tall, blond, blue-eyed race, built it, which is certainly not there today. Magnetic fields outside the North and South Poles are conical, but they change into trap fields around, you see. Inside the Earth, let's see, let's take, this is the Earth, okay? And you have a magnetic field coming into the North Pole, let's say right at the Arctic Circle, okay? It doesn't just go through like that.

It comes in and goes around like that, and out. Now, this going out and around, is a very interesting thing. Previously, we thought they did go through like that, but the Russian work in Earth currents showed that the magnetic fields and the Earth currents in the Earth gather much,

they change much more rapidly with a change in depth than we ever had dreamt, which indicates a condensation of energy in the molten layer 60 miles down. Now, if you have a magnetic field going this way, and this way outside, and this way inside, somewhere, and it's going this way,

there is in the galaxy of magnetic reversal within the galaxy, you see? And what we are evidently doing is traversing these reversals for cataclysms. Since a galaxy has the same shape of trap fields, that means there is a big conical shape immediately above the North Pole and outside the South Pole of a galaxy, just like outside the star or a planet with radiation belts, okay? Well, we've got to, it's getting late,

so we've got to close tonight. I've just got to tell you that one of the greatest pleasures in my life is sharing minds with people, and I've enjoyed very much sharing minds with you and having you share yours with me tonight. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, don't leave. We're going to have a drawing for a door prize.

It's been one of the most tremendous, and so much has been given in privilege to hear this man. These people that are here must have been meant to hear this, because I feel sorry for the people that received the notices we sent out that they weren't able to receive this information. It's just been simply wonderful, and let us give Mr. Thomas another applause, so we'll have...

The following is a speech by Dr. Frank Stranges at the Inglewood Unit of Understanding on Saturday, June 28, 1969. Subject, What is man's next step into space? There are no other... No more commercials? I was kind of worried there, because when he said he was going to introduce Mrs. Stranges,

three women started to move. It had me confused. As we have lectured in universities and colleges and many other places in several nations, we take pleasure in asking a number of questions, and every time you're going to hear me speak, either here or anyplace else, be prepared to answer these questions.

How many of you in this audience have ever seen, with your own two eyes, an unidentified flying object when you were sober? All right. How many of you have still not seen any unidentified objects at all? None what? And you have been looking? All right.

Some of you still haven't raised your hands. How many of you don't give a hoot whether you see them or not? All right. Fine. Glad to have you with us. Glad to have you with us. We have a number of celebrities with us tonight, people who are being carefully considered by the production company

who is making a full-length motion picture film based on the contents of this book, Stranger at the Pentagon. If you don't have a copy of this, get it at the back table here. I'm sure you'll find it very, very eye-opening, to say the least. How many of you have read the book? Are you aware that in this book,

which was actually printed several years ago, it predicted Valiant Thor, the fellow who I met at the Pentagon, predicted that Mr. Nixon would be president? How many of you remember reading this in the book? Good. Now, I had a strange incident take place a few months ago when I had the privilege of going back east

to visit with my mother and dad and the rest of the family to celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary. As a matter of fact, they say hello to all of you here. And we had a great time. My dad, if you recall my saying some years ago, got down on his knees and started praying for me when he found out I was interested in UFOs. Well, he's still on his knees praying for me,

but for other reasons. But it's amazing, as different bits of truth fall here and there, many people, regardless of their Orthodox background, begin to appreciate the truth. How many of you love truth? Say, I. But as we were going back, I had occasion to stop in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania overnight,

and from there, I took a taxi cab to a hospital, a veteran's hospital in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, where a gentleman needed much prayer. So I took the time to go to Lebanon, and by the time I came back to the Holiday Inn Hotel in Harrisburg, the clerk said, there are some people waiting for you in your room.

I said, in my room? He said, yes, in your room. He said, we know them. I said, I'm glad you do. So this is unusual. This never happened before. So as I went into my room, here stood four people,

two elderly friends and two younger people. And they happened to have been direct relatives of the late President Dwight Eisenhower. And they said, you know, we've heard Ike and Mamie and other members of the family discuss this fellow Valiant Thor, this fellow who came to the Capitol during the Eisenhower administration. And they said, we never heard anything from any official source. Could you please fill us in?

And I said, of course, we've heard nothing. You can't tell us anything. It's just that I've been sitting on the entire story. That's all they needed from me was an invitation from them, rather. And they just sat down and I told them the whole story. And word got throughout Harrisburg that I was there. And you'd be surprised how many people would stop us on the street to ask us about the stranger at the Pentagon.

Another thing, just recently at the Color Vision Studios here in town, we had the pleasure of meeting several individuals, one whose wife is a golf champion. Springs. And she has taken the Eisenhower Trophy four years in a row. And just prior, a few short months prior to the passing of Mr. Eisenhower, Mr. Freeman and his wife were on the golf course. We heard this story from Mr. Freeman at the studio at Color Vision. And he said, we walked up to Mr. Eisenhower, who knew us, knew our entire family. And Mr. Freeman asked Ike, he said, did you ever hear about this fellow, Frank Stranges? I kind of looked at him and said,

look, everybody knows about him, which was, I thought, very commendable. But what about this valiant Thor who came in your office, you know, and handed you something and the Secret Service men pulled their guns out and Mr. Nixon wondered what was going on? What about this? Is this true? And Eisenhower said to Mr. Freeman and some of the other folks who had gathered on the course at that time, he said, well, sir, there are some things, even though I'm not president, that I'm still not permitted to freely discuss. Now, this is very strange. And yet again, it's not too strange when you consider the pattern of the way things are done, not just in the United States,

but many other countries whose leaders are even not at liberty to speak their mind. Or did you know that? All right. When I was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, not too long ago, we had a fantastic meeting at one of the high schools. Over 1,000 people came out for two nights in a row. I went back to Tulsa about 30 days later and I was the guest at the home of Mr. John Phillips from the Phillips 66 Petroleum Company here in the United States. He was behind me 1,000 percent. Howard, where are you? Would you raise your hand? Howard Moffitt and his wife, Lois. Come to our home very often. And I showed them letters from Mr. Phillips stating that as of

January 1st, 1969, he had only two things that he was going to give me. One was time and the other was money. Well, I said, glory to God, this is enough to make anybody shout. Here, this big wheel from the Phillips 66 organization offering me his time and his money. He said, I want to travel with you and spread the good word. That's exactly what he put, not in one letter, but in three letters, which we still have in our possession. When I returned to Tulsa as his house guest, everything was fine and dandy until the cotton pick and telephone rang. And then the sand hit the fan. Someone had gotten in touch with the governor of the state of Oklahoma who was buddies with the president of the United States, Mr. Nixon.

And this is the way I got it, that they were warned from Washington through the governor, through John Phillips, that he should not touch me, nor the stranger at the Pentagon, nor Valiant Thor, nor anybody else involved in UFO research with a 20-foot pole. Otherwise, they would lose not only their reputation, but it might hit them right smack in the pocketbook. And today, even in church work, if you want to get under people's skin, you refer to their pocketbook. You see, consequently, today we do not have the support of the Phillips organization. I don't know where he is. He's left town. Other people cooperating with us that night, the sheriff who put me up at his home for three

nights, he doesn't write anymore. He wants nothing to do with us. And it all goes to prove this, that in these days of time, and I grant you this on the authority of past history, that if you don't have the support of the Phillips organization, you don't have the everything today that is true, everything that is founded upon the foundation of truth and wholesomeness, and everything else that's of good and of God is going to be shaken in 1969 and in 1970 and in all the other 70s if this earth holds together that long. Everything that is good and upright is going to be tested. How many of you agree? And I believe that if it's not, then it's not. And I believe that if it's not, then it's not.

And I believe that if it's not, then it's not. And I believe that if it's not, then it's not. It's not truth. I mean real old-fashioned truth as our friends here teach truth and as the good book teaches truth. It's going to be shaken. And if there's any fallacy, any phoniness in the whole setup, it's going to fall, it's going to collapse, and it's going to be exposed. And this also goes for people who claim to take trip to other planets. I say if it's true, the truth will bear them out. And if it's false, they're going to have to admit it. Otherwise, they're going to have to leave the scene. Am I stepping out of line tonight or is this all right with you? Because I believe it's high time. Believe me, it's high time that people like yourselves gather together in a beautiful meeting

like we're enjoying tonight, not just to pass the time. I know you've come here for a purpose. You've come here to learn what in the world Frank Strange is. You've come here to learn what he's going to say tonight, what he's going to show on the screen, but beyond that, it behooves every last one of us who are convinced and thoroughly convinced that the thing we're doing is true and is for a purpose, that we should get behind that purpose one thousand percent and be persuaded. Just like the good book, like St. Paul said, he said, I am persuaded. And if you're persuaded that the thing that you're doing is right, and the thing that you believe in is right, and the thing that you'd give your very life for is

right, then I maintain, let's stick to it. Let's put our hand to the wheel. Let's not turn around. Let's not apologize. When people point the finger at you and go like this, when they hear that you believe in UFOs and space people, stand firm. Don't hesitate. Don't stutter. Stand firm. Do you believe that? Say aye. I have a very dear friend with me tonight who is the casting director of the Globe International Picture Corporation. Mr. Tommy Thompson, would you stand please? We're so glad to have you. I want to show you something very, very, very important as to what's going on. They told me it was impossible to make a motion picture to be shown in the local theaters on this subject, The Stranger at the Pentagon. They said they just won't let you do

it. Well, I'm here to tell you that they can't stop us from doing it. Why? Simply because in order to get to this project, they're going to have to get by God. And I think he'll slow them down. They say it couldn't be done. And yet look what's happening. The male star for this production is none other than Pat Boone. He's already agreed to play Valiant Thor in this motion picture called Stranger at the Pentagon. Don Murray is not only writing the script, he's going to direct it for us. And he's going to direct it for us. And he's going to direct it for us. And he's going to play the part of a skunk of a colonel in Washington that's going to give the good guy a hard time. The picture, the way it's going now, the script is so fantastic, I'm not

going to bore you with details because I'm not allowed to talk about it too much. But beside that, there's going to be a sequence in the picture that will bring to the screen something that's never happened before. I can't tell you that either. But as far as music is concerned, I can tell you that the author of this picture is one of the most wonderful people that are now being considered. Her name is Marcine, and she took off tonight from work. She's the star at the Continental Hotel roulette room out on the Strip just to attend this meeting tonight. Marcine, would you stand, please? So glad to have her with us tonight. Now, here, the caliber of people that we have, folks like this, Pat Boone, Don Murray, men like this, my business manager, Bill Miller,

and you imagine the principal characters, the principal people in the front office and behind the camera and in front of the camera getting together. And before we even have two words at all, we ask the guidance of Almighty God. Now, that to me is an accomplishment. This is unknown in Hollywood, believe me. That's why it's going to go. Then we have several other fine people who are also being considered in this film. The Wilder family, for instance. August Wilder, would you stand, please, with your wife, Jean? New age people. There she is. These are new age people because they want to do the right thing. They believe in not the old-fashioned hellfire and brimstone, damn everybody except my family

and myself. They don't believe in that. We believe, don't let me preach tonight, in an appreciation for the deeper, metaphysical truths that are long gone from those who can only see as far as the end of their nose on Sunday morning and Sunday night. And the daughter, one of the daughters of this fine family, Rochelle, you stand, please. She is being cast for a very, very important part. Now, even though we have been advised, please don't ask me any questions about this. I'm only going to chew it over once. I've been advised by the administration, and you know what administration, that the picture has got

to be made not as fact, but as science fiction. I said, how about science fiction based on fact? They said, well, all right. But don't you think for a moment that people who are thinking people, I mean thinking people who think for themselves, won't look at that picture on the screen and be able to pick out what is true and what is false. And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, what is true and what has been done Hollywood style. One more thing, and then I'll get off the subject. There are going to be some scenes in the film, and you'll see unidentified flying objects. I said you'll see them. That's all I'm able to tell you right now. All right. Suffice it to say

that Val is going to give us some help to get the kind of pictures we need. I better pass over that real quick. Now, I have several clippings here that I'd like to call to your attention. In so much as man is ready to go to the moon, the question that has been asked in many quarters is what about UFO bases on the moon, in the moon, on the far side of the moon, or anywhere as near the moon. First of all, we must remember that unidentified flying object reports have been given to us as far back in the early Egyptian archives, as far back as 3,500 years ago. They call them fire circles that gave off a foul odor, terrified the court of King Tut III, if you please. Some of the ancient Roman writers, such as Levi, L-I-V-Y, he wrote in the

history of Rome, he said, the light appears in the sky in the form of a light. The light appears in ships. UFO sightings are certainly nothing new on the horizon today. And those of you who have been closely associated with the UFO mystery can bear me out that many changes have taken place, even changes in people relative to UFOs. Some years ago, people were all excited when you invited them to a UFO meeting. And now, because of just a little bit of ridicule, they kind of drop off and say, well, what's the use? You've seen them, you go, you see. But gradually, I believe that men are being separated from the boys, in a manner of speaking. Things are beginning to take place whereby the Almighty, I believe, is separating those who

really want to do something about world conditions from those who are just talking about it. I've even heard rumors that the interest in UFOs is gradually falling off. Don't you believe it? It's only falling off to those that are talking about it like that. As far as interest is concerned, we still have many invitations from colleges and universities and even church groups. Do you know, on the 3rd and 4th of July, I've been invited to a Pentecostal camp meeting in St. Louis to talk about UFOs. And brother, we're going to tell them. I'll shout right along with them as long as they listen to me. That's right. This is the 3rd and 4th, right after the permit. Oh, say, speaking about UFOs, I'll shout right along with them as long as they listen to me. Oh, say, speaking about

UFOs, I'll shout right along with them as long as they listen to me. Oh, say, speaking about UFOs, I'll shout right along with them as long as they listen to me. Oh, say, speaking about the 3rd and 4th. On the 2nd of July, some of you may have received my letter in the mail. On the 2nd of July is the world premiere of Don Murray's latest picture called Childish Things. It's a fantastic, very interesting picture that I would almost call New Age because it's not the run-of-the-mill picture that's filled with violence and crime and corruption. Don Murray is beginning to show Hollywood that pictures can be used to show the world that there are that will edify the human being, and it could still make money at the box office. In other words,

you don't have to kill half the cast in order to have a successful motion picture. It's called Childish Things. It's going to be a world premiere. John Wayne's going to be there and many of the other actors and actresses. And if you, by any chance, want to attend that world premiere showing, they're having three showings that day on the 2nd of July, one at 6.30, one at 8.30, and one at 10.30. If you want to make a reservation tonight, you see my wife at the back table. We have a few tickets left that we're selling for Don Murray. That's in the event that you want to see a different type of emotion picture. Take your wife out. You wives, take your husband out that night. Give them a

treat. And I'm sure that you'll see what type of a man will be directing the picture called Strange at the Pentagon. Now, we're coming to the place where man is stepping out into space again. During our symposium in January and February, you heard some outstanding speakers proclaim what they thought was truth about man stepping into space. Before I wander too far from that, many have called my office and we have a number of letters and postcards from people who are trying to get in touch with others who have made tape recordings of the speakers and what they said about space and science at our convention. On the back table, you'll find a sheet of paper like this. It contains a story about five different tapes.

We've taped every speaker at the convention, and these tapes are available. For the full information, take one of these on the back table because you can practically listen to the tape and watch your television because some of these men certainly knew what they were talking about as to how this moment was going to be. So, I'm going to give you a few minutes to listen to this for the most part. These men who are getting ready for the Apollo 11 moon project are certainly men who need our prayers. I believe most of us believe in prayer. How many of you do? Now, I don't care if you've never shaken hands with an astronaut in your whole life. It doesn't make a particle of difference. We should still remember them in prayer that God will keep them

safe, give them a safe journey. We should still remember them in prayer that God will keep them safe, give them a safe journey. We should still remember them in prayer that God will keep them accomplish their intended mission, if that's his will, and bring them back safe and sound to their families. Does this sound all right to you? All right. Now, it'll take four days, four hours, and 50 minutes following the blast-off. This past week, we had quite a conversation with the officers and the men in charge of the moon project at Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena, and they were kind enough to pass some of this information. Following the blast-off, we'll begin this multi-billion dollar journey,

which was begun nine years ago when the late J.F. Kennedy committed the United States' Man on the Moon project. Nine hours and 50 minutes later, astronaut Neil A. Armstrong will personally fulfill the dream of man and actually place his foot on the moon. That's if everything goes well. According to schedule, the Apollo 11 moon project will begin its liftoff at Complex 39A and at the Kennedy Cape Space Center. It will end in 195 hours, 20 minutes, and 42.2 seconds. They've got this so minute, right down to the most minutest detail, right down to the second. Because if they vary along the way, they can put the whole project in trouble. Many people fail to

understand that. After which, this period of time will end with a splashdown in the Pacific where the ships, the American ships, will pick them up and Mr. Nixon will also be there to greet the astronauts when they come in. How many of you knew that? Three people. All right? Actually, those, involved in the Moon Project, besides Neil Armstrong, are Lieutenant Colonel Michael Collins, 38 years old, and Colonel Edwin Aldrin, Jr., 39. Colonel Armstrong will attempt the first lunar walk for not one second more than 25 minutes. He'll collect rocks and other terrain.

Colonel Aldrin, after 10 minutes, will take pictures and perform other technical data that is valuable to the next Moon Project, speaking of the Apollo 12. Part of their equipment includes the EMU, which is the Extra Vehicular Mobility Unit, which contains both cooling and other protective devices. Each weighs 183 pounds and offers a four-hour flight. The EMU is a four-hour flight. The EMU is a four-hour flight. Life support. Apollo 12, which will be the next one, will supply them instead of a four-hour life support, eight-hour life support. Apollo 12 is scheduled for the month of November this year, if all goes well, during Apollo 11 Moon Project. My next question to the men at the JPL lab was,

what are you going to do if a couple of flying saucers start observing the mission? And he said, what do you think? What would you do if a couple of flying saucers start observing the mission? What would you think if I told you that we think we are under observation now? I said, I knew it. Well, how did you know it? I've got pictures of it. And I had to make sure that some of these men saw the pictures. It's amazing how stupid some people think the American people are. Do you realize, and I'm sure Gabe Green can bear me out and some of you others, that if this government and other

world governments would sit down for ten minutes and listen to some people who could give them some good advice, we wouldn't have to be messing around with tin cans in space. I'll never forget that terminology that Gabe Green used on the platform of the Shrine Auditorium in 1960, blasting off tin cans in the space. Remember, Gabe? We wouldn't have to do that. We wouldn't have to spend billions of dollars in a space program. But all we'd have to do is cooperate with some of the folks who have already been to the moon and back many times and follow their advice. But then the argument that was given to me is, do you realize if a flying saucer would land right now and they'd give us all this technical data,

it would completely ruin our space program? That statement called for a drink. And they said, furthermore, do you realize all the money that has already been allocated? What in the world would we do with such a surplus? Somebody would try to take it from us. Oh, this is great. This is a great argument. Friends, I declare to you tonight, as a fellow human being, that if we would have listened to people like Valiant Thor and some others many years ago, we would not be shedding lives in a stupid outfit like we're doing now. In Vietnam, that wouldn't be going on. Now, I don't know. I don't know what some of your sentiments are on that, but I do know this. Ever since they told me in the office of a congressman

who shook his long finger under my nose and brother, I looked him square in the eyeballs and didn't flinch. I just let him shake. But he was shaking, not me. He said, if this spaceman were real, and he said, I'm not saying that I know anything about it. I said, oh, boy. He said, you would ruin the economy of this nation. People would be out of work. He said, if this man could come and take away sickness and disease and other type afflictions, you'd ruin us economically. And he raised his voice. He said, all the hospitals would close, the doctors and the nurses would be out of business, and the drug companies would go broken. I said, oh, boy. He said, if this spaceman were real, and he said, I'm not saying that I know

nothing about it. I said, in other words, a drug trust would have to take the gas pipe. He said, that's about the size of it. But you know, they fail to recognize the fact that we're dealing with an intelligent being, with a more superior being, who, if he could, and I believe he could, and he would if he had opportunity, if he could give us such information to do away with the sickness and the illness and the disease of people on this planet, don't you think that they'd have enough brains to show us how and where to place these other people in jobs that would be of greater benefit to the human family instead of wondering about what bread line they're going to get on next? You see, they're thinking. They have been able to split

the atom. We have been able to put men in the belly of a giant fish made of steel to go under the water, propelled by a giant fish made of steel. We have been able to put men in the belly of a giant nuclear power. We're able to put fast planes, jet planes from coast to coast in record time. We're able to launch satellites to foreign planets pretty soon to put man on the moon. And still, with all his knowledge, man doesn't even know how to walk with his brother on the streets of Los Angeles. As I told one audience once, some of this gets my Irish up and I'm not Irish. But after this Condon report, brother, I'm telling you, I'm not Irish. I'm not Irish. I'm not Irish. How they could call this a Condon report was beyond me. As president of the National Investigations

Committee on UFOs, which is a public organization, we have brochures back there. If you want to read all about it, go right ahead. We are preparing right now, and it's just about finished, a special report to the president of the United States. Part of that report will contain, a special writing of about five pages by Frank Stranges, entitled, The UFO Super Snow Job. This is going to the president. Copies are going to the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the LA Times, Time Magazine. We're going to send all of them a copy, including a copy of my letter to the president, an open letter, if you please. As to my opinion, I'm just one person. Of course, I'm speaking for our organization,

but I'm still only one person. As to how we feel about the entire picture of unidentified flying objects. Now, I won't take time to read you this whole report, but if you would like to get yourself a copy of this UFO snow job, coupled with a presidential letter, you just put your name on the sheet of paper on the back table, and you're going to get a copy of this UFO snow job. And give the lady one dollar to help us in the cost of this thing. We'll be glad to send you a copy when it comes out. As far as the snow job is concerned, this is part of it. It is amusing to note that it cost over $550,000, plus a set of three volumes totaling 1,438 pages, I counted them, of typescript, plus a 25-page index, plus

over 18 months time element to say, no, UFOs are not from space. Now, if they would have said some UFOs are not from space, I could understand it. But to put a blanket statement, and you know, we have released one or two of these super snow job reports, which I believe has resulted in my being in the United States, and I'm going to be in the United States for the rest of my life. I'm going to be invited to speak to a select number of people at the House of Parliament in London, beginning the 13th of August, which is just a few weeks off. Also, to speak at a special convention at the Woburn Abbey in London, as to why we've called this a UFO snow job. I think it's about time the whole world knew what was going on. They have not revealed all of the facts,

and I believe, and I have evidence in my possession to prove in the court of law that Dr. Condon was told to lie to the American people in that so-called Condon report. You say, Frank, strangers, our government doesn't lie to us. You shouldn't say that. You're going to have the CIA on your tail. Rest in peace, they're there already. Now, why do I dare? Say that sometimes the government bends the truth a little bit. It's not me. I didn't say that. I'm just quoting the Assistant Secretary of Defense in 1967, Mr. Arthur Sylvester, who admitted to the press when he was questioned on the Bay of Pigs invasion as to what happened. He said, there has indeed been some misrepresentation of certain information about the Cuba invasion,

which has been furnished to them by the Defense Department. He then added, we consider such a procedure fully justified when it is in the national interest. Arthur Sylvester, Secretary of State of Defense, rather. Now, in view of a statement like this, we would ask the question, how will the American people know which statements are true and which are false? And we would ask, how will the American people know which statements are false? Ladies and gentlemen, I kind of believe that in days to come, and I believe it's very, very shortly to come, that those who are walking in light. Now, of course, many of you know what I mean by that, walking in light. How many of you know what I mean by that? Walking in light.

Your mind has been illuminated, not smog bound. But even an illuminated mind could see in the smog and can hear in the smog and can maneuver in the smog. An illuminated mind and the steps of righteous men and women that are ordered by the Almighty cannot be deceived by any government on the face of this green planet. I'm convinced of that. Now, here it is again. Over $550,000, 18 months, a staff of qualified scientists and experts, not one of them believed in UFOs, to begin with, and none of them have ever seen a UFO, and yet they're experts. With the full cooperation of the whole United States Air Force, with a complete access into

the UFO files, photographs, films, sketches, eyewitness accounts, still with all this, they came out with the report that UFOs are not coming from space. These are seven questions I have. I'm going to ask Mr. Nixon, when will they let us see all of the moon pictures? Of course, you know, we haven't seen them all. I've got some here tonight I'd like to show you. Please don't ask me where I got them. When will the debriefed United States astronauts be able to tell us what they saw in deep space? What about this brother astronaut out there who was taking motion pictures of a certain UFO and then after he was taken, he was taken to the moon?

He was debriefed. He told the press, I lost the camera. How come so many more military pilots are climbing up when they're questioned by private committees like ours on UFOs? In what snowbank shall we bury the tons of statements given by business and professional people, pilots, scientists, newsmen, and so forth? What shall we conclude from the testimony offered by six of America's top scientists who were called before a special congressional committee on the 31st of July, 1968? How many of you did not know that there was such a meeting held in Washington? I've got proof of that I'm going to show you tonight, too. And it goes on and on. I'm not going to take time to read this. I just wonder if Mr. Nixon will be offended at

these statements. I hope he is in a way, because I think he needs a little stirring. This is the evidence not printed by the United States. It's not printed by the United States. It's not printed by me. Printed by the United States Printing Office, Washington, D.C. This is a report of the hearings of the Committee on Science and Astronautics, United States House of Representatives, 19th Congress, second session, July 29th, 1968. Printed for the use of the Committee on Science and Astronautics. Don't ask me how I got it. These six top scientists were called before the committee to testify about UFOs and outer space people. Who are the scientists? Dr. J. Allen, Swamp Gas Heineck was one of them. Professor James McDonald from the University of Arizona.

Dr. Carl Sagan from Cornell University. Dr. Robert Hall, Department of Sociology, University of Illinois. Dr. James Harder, University of California. And Dr. M. L. Baker, Jr., Senior Scientist, System Sciences Corporation, North Sepulveda Boulevard, El Segundo, California. All these men testified. One professor, Dr. Hall, made this statement. On the basis of the data, these are his words, and ordinary rules of evidence, as would be applied in civil or criminal courts, the physical reality of UFOs has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And then these 11 experts come along and say UFOs are not from

space. This is glorious. Now, I'm going to give you one more reason why a lot of the scientists who have been secretly retained by the government, unbeknownst to many quarters, why they are speaking to pilots and other eyewitnesses, and why these eyewitnesses are maintaining their silence, why they'd rather not testify. And here on page 152, this is put together by Dr. Sidney Walker III. These are parts of application forms and questionnaire forms that these men are forced to fill out before a hearing board will even listen to them. And they're not going to listen to them. They're not going to listen to them. They're not going to listen to them. They're not going to listen to them. They're not going to listen to them.

They're not going to listen to their story about the UFO that they saw yesterday at 530 in the afternoon while flying or while walking. This is why these men would rather keep their mouth shut and not give public testimony. Here it is. This is the questionnaire. Number one, general medical evaluation. Under that, the past history with you and your family. Anybody who's ever been sick, they want to know all about it. Review of your entire physical system. Physical laboratory examination. And then an eye history to determine whether there's anything wrong with your eyes. Color vision. Whether you can tell the difference between a black and white photo and a color photo. Next is a neurological evaluation.

Have you ever been neurotic? Next is a psychiatric evaluation. A full, family history. If anyone in your family has ever visited a psychiatrist. Next is the integration of findings of composite assessment of your nervous system. To see that if they hit your foot with a hammer, whether it'll move or not. Plus many other things. Then if there have been any abnormalities in your life. By that time, the pilot is scratching his head and looking at this application. Do I have to answer all these questions? Turn the page, brother. Your past history. But I've already answered it. No, no, this is page two now. You've got to answer page two. All right, what is it? Name all your childhood diseases, including measles, mumps,

chicken pox, before the age of six. I'm going to let some of you who are interested take a look at this in case you think I'm kidding. It's the only one I've got, so don't walk off with it. Next, a complete record of hospitalizations and operations and tonsillectomy, fifth before 1938. My God. Next, again, the past illnesses. Tuberculosis, venereal disease, pneumonia, kidney trouble, heart trouble, gastrointestinal troubles. Next, drugs. Do you take pills to sleep? Do you use any sleep ease? They've got it down here. Sleep ease. Of course, you know, we've become a pill generation. You know that. You take pills to sleep and pills to stay awake and pills to put on weight and pills to take off weight and pills for a few other

things, too. After that, they want your complete family history, your complete social history. Did you? Well, I can't read this. Fall around on your dates. Let's put it that way. They've got to know. They've got to know all about it. I can see a TWA pilot answering these. I can't quite see it, I should say. And then the next page, I'm not going to read you at all because they want details. Well, all right. They have not made it easy. Can you imagine a sane pilot coming forward and answering questions such as this? And then after it's all through, then he's called in before a committee.

And they're going to question him. Well, what kind of a UFO do you think you saw? You know what he's going to tell them? Where he's going to tell them to go? I know if I were a pilot, that's probably what I'd do. I'd tell them, look, boys, it's been nice knowing you so long. My wife and I and Lois Moffitt flew back from London some years ago. And we sent my business card up to the pilot. The captain of the ship came back and he talked to us. We discussed UFOs. He said, did we see UFOs? He said, we have seen cigar-shaped vehicles flying right alongside of our plane from London over the pole down to Chicago. I said, did you report it? He says,

are you kidding? And then as he was speaking to us, the co-pilot came back and he said, ask him. Oh, yeah. He said, we've seen a few things. I said, describe one. He said, well, one night we thought our eyes were playing tricks on us. And we see this, thing in front of us. It looked like a cigar going that away from right to left from three o'clock to nine o'clock. And then it kind of dipped up. And we, we thought, well, you know, we've been flying quite a few hours and over the North Pole, you see all kinds of things anyhow. But I said, what would you call it? He said, I'd call it a cigar-shaped unidentified object. Did you report it? He said, no. Report what? I didn't see a thing.

And while they were talking to us, a third man came from up front. Then I started getting up. I said, who's driving this thing? But they had everything under control. But it's amazing how these men will speak to us personally. They'll call me on the phone. They'll write letters, confidential letters. They'll send me things, pictures and what have you. In some cases, artifacts. But they will not appear publicly before any committee because they're going to be hit with these stupid questions that don't amount to a hill of beans. Now, what does it mean? It means that someone is trying to slow down the entire project.

And they're succeeding in many quarters. But I maintain this. I don't care how you cut it. Number one, I believe in God. In the beginning, God created the heavens, plural, and the earth. And at the end of the... At the end of the seventh day, he didn't sit down. At the end of the sixth day, he didn't sit down because he was tired. He is trying to give you some, a little bit of a hint to rest seven days. Rest one day out of seven. But I believe that as Christ in the New Testament, and when I get ready to preach in a church, I get out my Hebrew interlinear, my Greek interlinear, my Aramaic translations. Go back to the original language and you'll really find out what the King James Version has failed to tell us all these years.

Are you still listening? All right, just go back into the original. It says that Christ said, in my Father's house, the King James Version, are many mansions. If you read that in the original Greek language, it doesn't say that. It says, in my Father's universe are many dwelling places. Is that right, Tommy? There's another Greek student. He knows I'm telling you the truth. Many dwelling places.

Years ago, Wernher von Braun called a press conference, was discussing life and outer space. A reporter said, sir, what do you think about life on other planets as opposed to life on this planet? He said, it's my thesis that man would have to be an egotistical fool to think he's the only intelligent being in the universe. He said, furthermore, it's my opinion that the planet Earth is the insane asylum of the universe. I know what you're applauding for. You live here. All right, now, let me give you a fast history lesson. And then we're going to show you some slides. I hope no one is in a hurry to go home tonight.

Your commercials took a little while tonight, so give me a few more minutes. Now, if you're taking notes, please get your pencil and paper. Mark some of these things down if you so desire. We're going to talk about the moon. In 1869, for the first time in American history, the report came to the British first. Why? Because it was reported by Britain's Royal Astronomical Society. Again, the date 1869.

For the first time, lights were seen moving back and forth on the face of the moon. The lights vanished in 1871. In 1912, an American astronomer by the name of Frank Harris saw lights moving on the moon. Objects above the surface of the moon casting shadows. On the moon. March 30, 1950, the British astronomer, Dr. Percy Williams, reported an oval-shaped, red, glowing object, which was confirmed by the United States astronomer, Dr. James Bartlett, Jr. July 29, 1953, the late John O'Neill, science editor for the New York Herald-Tribune,

discovered through a 250-power telescope, for the first time, a 12-mile bridge on the moon. You've heard of that. The year? July 29, 1953. The object was a 12-mile bridge. I wonder why we haven't seen pictures of that bridge taken by our astronauts. In 1956, Robert Curtis of Albuquerque, New Mexico, with a 35-millimeter camera rigged to a 16-inch reflecting telescope, saw a perfectly shaped white.

cross on the moon. In 1958, a Russian astronomer, Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev, saw bright, red, glowing lights in Alfonso's. This is a huge crater. Alfonso's. This was verified by two United States astronauts, Henry Poppendick and William Boyd. In 1961, they saw the exact same thing again. Bright, red, glowing lights. In that certain crater called Alfonso's.

Tonight on the screen, I'm going to show you a few things about a certain crater called Clavius. 1963, October 29, the United States Air Force Observatory at Flagstaff, Arizona, reported a bright red band of light, 12 miles long, which vanished after 20 minutes. This is all on the moon. 1964. 1964. 1964. 1964.

1964. The National NASA gave a contract to the Trident Engineering Association in Annapolis, Maryland, called Project Moon Blink, B-L-I-N-K. The purpose? To determine what those things were moving on the surface of the moon. In 1965 to 1969, more lights, more spheres, UFOs, and so forth, have been seen. The nutritivity of those enthusiastically

are springing up. The problems sort of intended. I don't know if you're familiar.

You know, we've got so many scientific devices that these things can't be wrong. We send millions of dollars worth of equipment up there to explore the regions of the outer fringes of deep space. And certainly all of these bits and pieces of machinery put together by expert hands, each of them welded in place by hand, you know, like certain TV commercials. These machines can't be wrong. But you know, there was a weather satellite sent up under the jurisdiction of the National Astronautic and Space Administration. The weather satellite was called TIRAS-4. Do you remember when that went up?

And do you also remember that it sent back a unique report that there was no trace, no single trace, of any intelligent life on the planet Earth? How many of you remember that? How many of you never heard this before? These machines can't be wrong. Just bear that in mind. According to Brigadier General John A. McDavid, United States Air Force,

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who is the Director of Communications, Electronic, and for the Space Joint Chiefs of Staff, made a speech at Milliken University. And he said three things. Number one, we will come in contact with space people. Number two, the Earth is but a speck of sand in the universe. Number three, there is a definite possibility of the increase of wars on this planet. He was questioned by the reporters as to his last statement. They said, right now, we have networks throughout the United States,

throughout the North Pole area, operated not just by the United States, but other members of the defense countries. And sometimes we have scrambled jets at the approach of UFOs as they were picked up on the radar screen, thinking that they were bombers coming from the Soviet Union. And he said, if the American people knew how close we have come to red alerts, I mean real red alerts where the phone rang on the desk of the president. You say, well, we see this in the movies occasionally.

If the people knew, he said, they would not sleep safely at night. But I'm still convinced, and you pardon me for this little illustration that I love so much, the other night, Marcine played the organ at our home. And one of the songs that she played is, he's got the whole world in his hand. And I'm glad for that fact tonight. I'm not worried about any atomic bomb or hydrogen bomb or this new Q bomb they're talking about.

These things don't concern me. Why? Because the Almighty has this planet right in his hand. And if he's got the planet in his hand, he's got you in his hand. How many of you believe that? You know why I'm getting religious? It's getting so close to Sunday. And the closer we get to Sunday, the more I get. All right, here's a final thought on this.

Dr. Carl Sagan, in his testimony before the Congressional Committee, also made these following statements, which he also told the American Rocket Society just three years prior. Life is definitely widespread in the universe. Let me put a P.S. on that statement. Just because... Just because we think there's life out there does not necessarily mean that they have to have two heads

or three tails or what have you. Number two, he said, the planet Earth has probably been visited by out-of-space beings many times. This is not a kook or a Johnny-come-lately speaking. This is a qualified scientist. Third, he said, life definitely exists beneath the surface of the moon. Four,

we should build starships now traveling as fast as light. Now, I'm going to throw you one curve that will keep some of you awake tonight. I'm going to throw you two curves. Number one, someone asked me tonight, who do you think will greet our astronauts on the moon?

Have you ever wondered who or what they're going to... meet when they get out of their ship? I first thought, by golly, at the rate things are going here in California, they're liable to meet Ralph Williams up there. Trying to sell them a Ford. My second curve is this. I'd better not say that.

When man finally achieves the speed of light, what's the speed of light? I want a young person to tell me, a real young... Do you know the speed of light? Thank you. Someone tell me the speed of light. Try it again, please. 186 is right.

186,000 miles per second. And we say, it can't be. It's impossible. Man could never travel that fast. They used to tell us we couldn't smash the sound barrier, if you recall. But that became a fictitious barrier also.

They used to tell us way back in the early days that, in a book published in 1825, called The Practical Treaties on Railroads, a man by the name of Nicholas Wood wrote, it is far from my wish to promulgate to the world that the ridiculous expectations of, or rather professions, of this enthusiastic specialist or cultist

will be realized, that we shall see them traveling at the rate of 12, 16, 18 or 20 miles an hour, nothing could do more harm toward their adoption or general improvement than to promulgate such nonsense. And then when Mr. Ford came along with his automobile,

they said, ah, the moment you approach 25 miles an hour, the oxygen will rush from your mouth and you'll be a dead corpse behind the wheel. And of course, you remember what they told the Wright brothers. The clergyman took over that day and said,

if God wanted you to fly, I would have given you wings. And yet it's all come to pass. We've broken all of these fictitious barriers. But this is my thought. Once we approach 186,000 miles per second, the speed of light, which some people say,

even if you travel at the speed of light, you'll never be able to travel to the outer planets. Just ask yourself one question. What does an object do, regardless at what speed it is traveling, when either it is, struck from behind or else through utilizing its own power or thrust, it goes or chooses to go a little faster?

You say, nope, man cannot fly faster than sound. He did. He broke the sound barrier. Well, then he cannot go faster than light. Did you ever hear of traveling at the speed of thought?

Chew on that for 30 days. All right. You say it can't be done. How many of you believe in the Bible? No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. A young fellow by the name of Philip, how many of you know Philip of the New Testament? Look it up. You talk about a spaceman who traveled in space, he traveled at the speed of thought. And I'm telling you right now we are on the fringe

of some of the most tremendous earth shattering revelations. If we didn't have all this nonsense going on in the world affairs and we could control the world, and concentrate our efforts toward the divine mind and toward the light, my God, where would we be tonight? We'd be so far advanced that we might be, in fact, invited to become a member of the community of those who actually are that far in advance to what we are tonight. But there are forces.

We must recognize the forces behind the scenes. Dear friends of ours, people in the UFO field right here in this city have suffered hardship. And I know some of the hardship they've gone through. How many of you remember Mike Barton? How many of you have heard from Mike Barton lately? Mike has been under such severe attack, and I don't think he'd mind my telling you, that he almost lost his mind.

How many of you knew that? Why? Because he dared to communicate with people in Germany that we have also been in communication with, and he dared to publish the truth in a book called The German Saucer Story. How many of you have that book? Listen, keep it. Don't even lend it to anybody. I'm imploring you.

Don't let it out of your home. Because if you do, you'll never see it again. They have been individuals confiscating these books. The book's not for sale anyplace anymore. The Germans saw some mystery about these strange things going on in South America and involving the Panamundo Project, of which Germans were involved in toward the end of the war. They brought these things down to South America.

They were being cited. They were being photographed. And it was put in this book. I have one copy tonight. That's all. This is mine. But you know what happened? In Seattle, Washington, Mike had sent me a box of these books.

And they were held by the post office. I don't know why they held it. They were sitting in the corner for months. And finally, someone picked them up for me. We're supposed to deliver them to a convention in Portland. And the whole box vanished again. No one knew what happened to it. It finally turned up shortly following the,

about a month or two following our convention here in Los Angeles. They located one box of books called the German Saucer Story. I just have one with me tonight. But if you want to get one of these, you give my wife your name and address at the back book table, and I'll see that you'll get it. Because this is the one, the German Saucer Story, that involved so many sketches and diagrams,

that caused so much dissension. I don't know why, because with these diagrams, you could practically build one yourself. But someone in certain high places did not want Mike to have anything further to do with this. It's out of print. You wouldn't be able to buy it anyplace else in the world. But as I say, anything worth knowing to be true

is worth knowing all of the facts. Now, before we show you these slides, if you are interested in UFOs, if you want to enlarge your knowledge, your understanding about these things, look at these book tables back here. Look at our book table on this side. Gabe Greens.

Examine those photographs. Go in the lobby. Examine those books. Spend some money on these things. Get some of these books. Make them a part of your library. Because, I understand, now I was going to save this until my newsletter comes out in July, but

I understand by good authority, and maybe Gabe has heard this already, but there is one congressman working together with one senator. How far they're going to get, I don't know. But what are they trying to do? They're trying to make it against the law, against the laws of the United States in conjunction with the post office department for anyone to even write any more books on UFOs that are purported to be the truth, simply because the Condon Committee said they're not from space.

And if they succeed in doing this, and I hope and pray they don't, this will be the first step for the downfall of this nation. And you can quote me on that. Thank you very much. You've been a very courteous. I would like to show you some slides very quickly tonight, and then I have a very short movie on UFOs that I want to show you, but I think we better have a brief intermission first.

Entering into space, their spaceships are looking to new horizons with light, with a desire for exploration, for communication, and the flying saucers are here. This is an object that buzzed an airport near Houston, Texas, February 23rd. 1967. This is one hovering over a field near Mount Clemens, Michigan. And this is one which the Air Force admittedly is not able to explain away. This is an American businessman over a lake in Brazil in the summer of 1965. Notice the top-like shape of this particular object, and compare it to the very obviously

top-like shape of this object, which was taken just a few months ago. This is an object that was taken just a few months ago. This is an object that was taken just a few months ago. This is an object that was taken just a few months ago. This is an object that was taken just a few months later by a wealthy surgeon in Adelaide, Australia. This thing was following a jetliner across the British Midlands when the lady photographed it.

The British Air Ministry said that she had photographed a reflection of the tail of the plane on the window of the plane. Well, photographers quickly pointed out that in order to photograph a reflection on the window of the plane, she would have had to have been outside the plane. The lady assures me in writing that she was not on the wing of that plane. The lady assures me in writing that she was not on the wing of that plane. The lady assures me in writing that she was not on the wing of that plane. At any time during the flight.

This is one of the most important sighting cases ever recorded. It took place in April 1964. It involved some police officers in New Mexico. It's one which the Air Force admits today that is a case for which they have absolutely no explanation. The object which you see hovering over the mountain peak there at the very top of the picture is a very rare type of UFO. It was watched.

by a group of scientists and photographed by a group of scientists. It's one of the most fascinating and well-documented stories in the whole history of the UFO development. The object hovering over this bay at Perth, Australia, a very important case, a yellow-green object. It's important that it was over Perth, Australia in 1965 because it was over Perth, Australia in 1963 that Major Gordon Cooper encountered a similar object.

And every astronaut since Cooper has had his problems with UFOs. Oftentimes you hear the statement that no professional astronomer ever saw a UFO. Well, we'll certainly discredit that one with documented cases, including this one when one of the most famous astronomers now living told about seeing the UFO, which you see in the upper corner of that picture. He saw it over the desert in Arizona in 1949. Compare it to this one over Long Island, in 1965, this unusual case taken by a highway official

near Santa Ana, California, in August, 1965. This one taken in November, 1966, over Zanesville, Ohio. Notice the similarity between those two objects taken almost a nation apart and almost a year apart. This is a disc-shaped thing about 18 feet in diameter, about four and a half feet thick. It was following an Air Force jet. In our series, Flying Saucers Here and Now, we will show the jet, show the disc following it,

and give you the complete story of this fascinating case, which is still baffling the authorities. These are the famed Lubbock Lights, 32 of them in all. They came in two different sizes. They flew in this V-shaped formation at 200 miles an hour. The official explanation was that this was a block of wire, wild geese. Well, if it was, they had certainly been to some party.

Here's one of the strangest and best-documented photographic stories in the history of the UFO. This was taken by a couple of college professors over a strip mine in Ohio on Easter Sunday, 1965. They had a Nikon camera with them, and one of them saw this object crossing one end of the strip mine. The other professor turned around and took this picture, of which this is the picture.

This is an enlargement. It shows clearly the strange veins that are on the underneath side of this particular craft. The object turned toward them, as though it had become interested in them. They made this picture, and a few seconds later, it came even closer, and they made this one.

They got the feeling that it was just as interested in them as they were in it, and that it was about to dive, so the professors dived first. They dived under the bushes, and while they were on their knees, under the bushes, the object buzzed over them,

and they got this close-up shot of the thing as it dived over the ridge on which they were hiding in the bushes and went on past them. This is one of the most famous of all UFO pictures. This was made in 1950 near McMinnville, Oregon, by a farmer's wife. The Air Force told me at the time

that this was the finest civilian UFO picture they had seen up to that time. You see why they call them flying saucers. They did look like an inverted flying saucer. The Russians have had their problems with these things, too. In the spring of 1967, a noted Russian scientist, Dr. Felix Ziegel, said that the Russians had been tracking these things with radar

and chasing them with jets for 20 years, just like the U.S. This is one of their experimental anti-gravity disc-shaped devices which never flew. ...lagoon near Tully, Queensland, New South Wales in Australia. The many witnesses who saw the object go in there, said that it was about 30 feet in diameter, that it had a low dome on it,

that it was spinning and humming, and was obviously metallic. Engineers who investigated and examined this area, where the vegetation is crushed and twisted into a warp, said that the object which created that effect would have had to have weighed at least... In 1957, 1953, the Air Force published in the Air Technical Intelligence Journal

a UFO which was replacing the original, so-called flying saucers. Please notice that in the top and center of this official, in the Air Force Intelligence Manual, in the top and center of the UFO, there is a small transparent dome for the use of the living operator. About 40 miles north of New York City,

early in 1967, two state police were present when the picture was made. It was taken with a little brownie star flash camera by a fisherman, a 27-year-old electrician from New York City. The two state troopers and the electrician all agreed that the object was silent, that it was about 20 feet wide, and possibly 15 to 16 feet thick.

I hope you've enjoyed the display of swamp gas and high-flying Canadian geese tonight, because that's still the story that's being told to many who claim to have seen unidentified flying objects. Now, we have a few slides that I thought might interest you in view of the fact of the movement, the moon project becoming so successful. And if we can get someone to take the projector down off of the table

and put the slide machine up there, we'll get to this immediately without losing much time. The question has come up ever since the Venus probe that Valiant Thor, who claims to have come from the planet Venus, would evidently need somewhat of an asbestos suit to live on the surface of the planet Venus. This will be proved out in time, but please bear in mind, if you've read the book carefully

and you've been listening to me instead of people, you never did hear me say that Valiant Thor stated that he lived on the surface of the planet Venus. In our next newsletter, we have information concerning the planet, concerning the openings in the planet Venus, as well as the openings in the moon, which, no doubt,

you'll hear about also on the next Moon Probe. How many of you have ever heard of the theory of the hollow Earth? Would you raise your hand, please? Just for your own satisfaction, I wish you would go to the library in your community, ask for a copy of the book called The Hollow Earth, and she will look in the file card, and then she'll say,

I'm sorry, the card has been removed, and you ask her, from the file card, and she'll say, yes, you better check downtown Los Angeles. So, pick up the phone, call the inquiry desk, ask for the woman in charge,

and ask her about the book called The Hollow Earth Mystery by Raymond Bernard. And she will keep you on the phone for about five minutes, maybe a little more, maybe a little less, and she will say, I'm sorry, but this is one of the restricted books. How many of you have already done this in your library,

and I've asked some of you to do? And you ask her, what do you mean by restricted books? And she'll tell you that an order came out of Sacramento that the book called The Hollow Earth should be removed from every library in the state of California. And then you ask yourself,

why? Isn't this strange? Here's a book that's supposed to be fiction, considered fiction by some people, considered fact by people who believe that the Admiral Byrd reports were correct, when he said, behold,

we have come into an area, and we have entered into the door leading into the great unknown. What could he have meant by that? And what did he mean when he said that our compasses are all wild, the charts are not correct, the maps are not correct, and we seem to be dipping slightly, and everything is in the wrong direction in the sky.

Maybe Admiral Byrd was out of his mind that particular day, especially when he reported finding so-called fauna and flora and fruit and vegetable growing at this so-called North Pole opening that by all other laws of nature should have been in tropical countries. How many of you have ever heard this before? There are many mysteries.

Who was it? One of Shakespeare's favorite characters, he said, there are many strange things in the earth and in the skies, Horatio. Do you remember that? And furthermore, not only is the Hollow Earth book not available in your libraries,

but some other states have been just picking it slowly out of the... I don't know why. I don't know why. But perhaps the day will come when we'll find out many of these things. If you don't have a copy of the Hollow Earth mystery, get yourself a copy. You'll find it very, very interesting.

You can believe it, or you don't have to believe it. Nobody is forcing you to believe anything. But I do maintain this, that for your own peace of mind for the next five-year period, you had better maintain an open mind. Is that all right?

Okay. Now, can we have a... Would you work the projector or someone who knows how to work that projector, please? All right. That should be a fairly simple job. We're going to move through this very, very quickly because time is getting on

and some of you have to go to Sunday school. Will someone show him how to crank that up? Fine. Thank you. I think so. Move it up closer about two feet. Leave the lights on for a second, would you? Move it up closer. All right. That's good enough.

That's not critical. I'm sure we can all see it. All right. Fix your focus. That's enough. Fine. Fix a fine focus on that. And very good. Lights, please. Lights out. All right.

What you're looking at is what I showed you when I was here last, this fantastic picture of the Andromeda Galaxy. The Andromeda Galaxy, according to Wernher von Braun and other individuals, they believe that this is a planet that is now being created. It's an amazing thing.

Look at all those stars. Notice the different sizes of these various heavenly bodies. I've often wondered about this. In the words of Christ, in my father's house are many mansions or dwelling places. How wonderful it'll be someday

when we begin to discover what our neighbors out there are really like. The next picture will show us what the Crab Nebula looks like as taken through the telescope. In actual color, they believe that this was a planet that exploded a very, very long time ago.

And because of its distance from this planet, it was discovered and photographed and recorded only in recent years. All right. Here are two unidentified cylindrical objects photographed high above the perimeter of the planet Earth during one of the first Earth orbits

of our United States astronauts. Incidentally, one of these astronauts is a secret member of the National Investigation Center or the National Investigations Committee. Next, we'll show us another picture of two unidentifieds

that trailed after another United States astronaut way out on the fringes of space. The next picture was published several times in national magazines. This represents two. This is a picture of two unidentifieds chasing after or trailing after

astronauts Lovell and Thomas, John Borman. All right. Things we have never seen was the caption line, the headline of the Newark Star-Ledger in Newark, New Jersey. And they go on to describe in this paper

how the expectation of not just this government but many other world governments is as apprehensive as the human race might be to wonder what secret the moon really holds. In the next picture, we see a close-up of the pitted areas. They believe that many of these craters

have been caused by meteorites, meteors that have struck the surface of the moon. And when our astronauts land on the moon and walk around and take samples and take more pictures, they'll be able to find out whether these are either explosions, implosions or actually

a result of meteorite bombardment. Next. Here is the crater, the large one, called Clavius. This is a very curious crater. They don't talk too much about Clavius because according to the scientific reports

I read you before, this is one area from these two huge craters where UFOs of various colors were seen and photographed coming out and going back in. All right. Here is the first photograph to my knowledge ever taken

of an unidentified object leaving the surface of the moon. It was taken by a Japanese astronomer in Japan. During one of the atomic bomb explosions during the Truman administration, if you please, there were UFOs seen and photographed

immediately following the atomic bomb blast. The next picture will give you an idea of an unidentified flight flying object that was taken immediately following an atomic blast. Now, unbeknownst to many people in America today, UFOs that were photographed

anywhere near an atomic blast did not move one degree. The wind current, the air current, the tremendous turbulence, the force, the impact, the explosion,

nothing moved a UFO from one side to the other. It just remained stationary. This also happened during the Truman administration. All right. Our space wheel, our man in space program,

which had to do with the erection, the construction of a space wheel, according to many of the experts, has been abandoned. And yet there is something out in space right now that looks like a wheel and acts like a wheel,

and people think it is a space wheel. Again, as far back as 1957, 56 and 57, something was sighted up there looking like a wheel. It was called by the Defense Department Lonesome George. No country on earth

has ever laid claim to it. And one thing further, that object was moving from east to west. This is a cigar-shaped vehicle, very similar to the one that was sighted by the pilots from our TWA flight

from London to Chicago. Cigar-shaped vehicle with lighted windows, zooming in front of the plane, slowing down, riding along with the plane, going under the plane, coming up on the right,

shooting dead ahead in the sky many miles, stopping motionless, waiting for the plane to catch up with it, turning upward and completely vanishing from sight.

North Pole Swamp Gas. All right? Many of our radio tower experts, these men responsible for landing planes and causing planes to come in at the proper runway and taking off

at the proper runway, giving the orders for the clearances, have often seen in various airports across the world, UFOs, some of them flying in formation,

some of them rattling, some of them round, some of them disc-shaped, some of them oblong, some of them triangular, and practically every other size there is. Lower the camera just a bit

and we'll see a strange unidentified object. Down at the very bottom is a helicopter, an Army helicopter, and this is the object that appeared. It looks like some kind

of a swinging trumpet. In fact, it did swing back and forth according to the testimony. This was one of the pictures that the Condon Report couldn't call swamp gas or high-flying Canadian geese.

So they just marked it in a folio with a question mark, never to make any further comment about it. All right? The Condon Report also took this picture.

Three unidentified flying objects, many witnesses, reputable individuals, the UFOs flying at close formation, 180-degree turn at a tremendous speed. This was a time photograph.

A time photo. The object to the left has been unidentified. No one knows what it is because it did not appear in the sky at all while the picture was being taken.

This was also put in a folio at the Condon Committee and marked with a question mark. No comment made on this one either. All right? Here we have a still picture that is very similar

to the one that we showed you on the motion pictures. The one that dove down at the scientists. It looks very, very similar to that. And this was taken in Spain, I understand.

All right? Here we have the unusual group of people and with them, sitting in Highbridge, New Jersey, is a gentleman who called himself

Valiant Thor. The funny thing about it is this. At the time this picture was taken, Valiant Thor was supposed to have been at the Pentagon

guarded by four guards heavily armed in a locked office. And here he is sitting in a chair outdoors many miles away in Highbridge, New Jersey.

I don't know where they shipped those four guards but I understand that they were questioned rather closely. Next. This is Valiant Thor seen by many people.

The last one that I know who saw him personally was a lady about 51 years old. She's a nurse. She's the night nurse in the hospital where I was a guest

for about nine days during the month of May. Not by choice, I assure you. She claimed that a man came in to my room at 1.30 in the morning

or 2.30 in the morning and she said she looked at him, he looked at her and smiled and nodded as though he owned the place, walked up to her

and said, you know, this is Valiant Thor. This is Valiant Thor. This is Valiant Thor. This is Valiant Thor. This is Valiant Thor. She's a nurse.

Walked by her desk. She not thinking to challenge him because it's long, long beyond visiting hours, I assure you, 2.30 in the morning. And she said

he remained in my room for 10 minutes. I didn't know this. I was asleep. It was the night on a Thursday night that I had a violent kidney attack.

They worked on me for quite a few hours. This was just a few weeks back. And then this nurse said he came out, smiled at her. She felt warm all over.

She said, what's wrong? And she kept on writing her report. The following day, I showed her the picture in the book. She says,

yeah, that was him. I said, did he say anything? She said, no, but he sure looks like a great guy.

And then she said, is he married? Well, it's an amazing thing. We speak about outer space people and right away we start looking

for the pointy ears, for the aerial behind the head, for the bloodshot eyeball. But, ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you a little bit

about my father. My father is a god of order. He does all things good. He's not going to create beautiful people

like you on this planet and then turn around and create monstrosities on other planets. If there's one creator,

one divine mind, one divine creator of us all, and we are all fellow members of God's family in the entire universe,

it's not too unusual. It's not too difficult for me to accept

the fact that other people could look like you and me even though they may come from other worlds.

Thank you again for listening to me tonight. You've been a great audience and God bless you all. The following

is a speech by Jessica Madigan at the Englewood Unit of Understanding on Saturday, September 27, 1969. The Hidden Records

Near the Pyramids For those who are here for the first time, Jessica Madigan is an internationally known researcher,

speaker, writer, and a field of prophecy, reincarnation, and dream analysis based for the most

part on the records and data of the late Edgar Cayce's America's Outstanding Psychic.

Tonight, she is going to speak on the subject of years. Her books are going to be published, her entire

bookshelf, which at present includes three volumes on world prophecy, are going to be published by Prentice Hall. We understand the number one publisher in the United States. So we think it's really wonderful to have Jesse given this, in a way, an honor to think that her subjects have become so popular with the people of the United States that the number one publishing organization in the United States has seen fit to call upon Jessica to ask her for her entire bookshelf to be published.

And we're very, very happy for her. Now at this time it gives me great pleasure to welcome again I forget how many times she's been here, but she's a wonderful friend of ours, a marvelous speaker. I know you're going to like her. She's going to speak on the Hidden Records Near the Pyramid. And I'll give you Jessica Madigan. Thank you. Well, thanks a lot. Let's make this kind of informal. And if you have a question that's in your mind,

ask me. Can they ask me while I'm talking? If you want to. Because we may never think about it again. How many know the Edgar Cayce readings and actually know what he said about the Hidden Records? The Hidden Records that are in Egypt and that are supposed to be found really the time is already overdue. He said from 1936, any time after 1936, but he said these records would not be discovered until such time

as there was a great upsurge of love. And I hope that with some of these young people who are younger people maybe they're destined to find the records. I don't know. The time is now. Cayce almost never talked about root races. He simply said that all souls were created in the beginning. But in this one reading about the Hidden Records that are supposed to be in front of the Sphinx in Egypt, actually

at Giza, that these records would be found when the fifth root race began. And he described the fifth root race as being those who would have as their motto peace and love. And so perhaps it has begun. Way back, I don't know, with everything there are two extremes. And Edward Cayce said again and again that those are old souls. They are extremist souls. It's very difficult somehow to understand. Someone was speaking to me the other night. This girl said, oh, she said,

Mary is so spiritually advanced, Jessica, but on the other hand, she has such a razor-like tongue, such a sharp tongue. So I said, well, she's an extremist. She's an old soul. And this explains it. But he said about the coming new age. He said that if they make it this time, they didn't make it in Atlantis. In Atlantis, which was the continent that went down at the time that the records were buried, that instead of swinging far to the right and to the spiritual

aspects, that the younger people at that time went far to the left. And they became extremely material minded. They had set out to bring in a new age. Way back before Atlantis went down. And that was some 10,500 years ago, before Christ, actually, 12,500 years ago. And here we are, all of us, every person in this room, if Cayce is right, was in Atlantis. And we've all been together many times.

Atlantis lasted about 200,000 years, according to Cayce. And some of the wonderful things, incidentally, that he says are coming again, because here we are. We are back in Atlantis. Here we have the same problems that they had at the end of their civilization. Before they went down, it went into the sea. Three times, actually. The last time, remember, Plato wrote about this beautiful city or this beautiful

continent, he said, I believe, went under the sea. And it was never seen again. And he said it happened in one night. But according to Cayce, it took several weeks for the earthquake to come and for it to go down. But we are the same people. If Edgar Cayce is right. If Edgar Cayce is right, who are living again, all of us this time, I mean, not that we haven't

had many lifetimes between. And once again, we are the forerunners of the new age, or we may actually be the new age people. Edgar Cayce said that by 1998, the new race will know itself. And in the pyramid, in the pyramid at Giza, the pyramid of understanding, that this prophecy is there. He said, you know, every little block, every little stone means heaven. He said, you know, every little block, every little stone means heaven.

He said, you know, every little block, every little stone means heaven. It just might be something. And when we were in Egypt, my friends and I, one of the guides told us that every now and then they kept somebody chipping off a little bit here, chipping off a little bit there in order to make one particular prophecy come true. Of course, they are very skeptical about the whole thing. I have never in my life had an interest in Egypt. In fact, I simply shut it off.

I did a great deal of research with you, Lynn Cayce of all people. You know, if I don't even talk about this stuff that people are talking about... And it would be your issue. That is the problem which would be if you just, you can put all the world in the world, Hewlin doesn't do research with many people and yet for 12 years I sent Hewlin every single dream I had and always he was waiting

for me to dream of Egypt he was the pharaoh in Egypt the pharaoh of the second dynasty never once in all those years 12 or 14 years did I ever dream of Egypt, not once nothing, absolutely nothing and he would say Jessica everybody else

in the ARE dreams of Egypt and he said you dream every night and never once do you dream of Egypt and I said I can't help it Hewlin I don't even like to hear the word Egypt I just don't want to ever think about that place and it was just something that I shut off and that was the truth

until just about a year ago and I was all wrapped up in the prophecies, no two years ago all wrapped up in the prophecies of the new age and of the people I've met a lot of these young people and it's my opinion they're going to make it this time

that they are really going to he said by 1998 that the new age will know itself and he even prophesied the coming of Christ I don't believe, although you may read the Casey readings and get a different idea I don't believe he meant in physical flesh

but he said that the light of Jesus would be seen in the clouds and this will be long after these records are supposed to be found so maybe one of you has to find the records the other thing that Casey talked about, so many prophets are talking about the war of Armageddon

and he said that there would be no atomic war until 1998 and this is all these prophecies for our age are supposed to be hidden in front of the Sphinx just where we don't know about 15 years ago

I was doing a lot of lecturing for the ARE and one day in San Francisco I was introduced to a young woman she was only 26 then who was working for her MA in archaeology

and Marjorie went to Egypt and she stayed there all together for 15 years in fact she's now married an Egyptian, an Arab and she's still there and she got finally somehow she got

an entree to meet someone who was very close to Mrs. Nasser, apparently Mrs. Nasser is very interested in this kind of thing, she reads books all over Egypt they have books on Edgar Casey the paperback wherever you go you see

Edgar Casey this and Edgar Casey that you feel that you're just at home and that's a very odd place to find it but Marjorie finally got a permit, oh she was there two years and a half before she got a permit and to dig now what Casey said

some of you probably know these readings as well as I do he says such a little bit about where to find them he says if you stand at sunrise in front of the Sphinx that's as the sun rises over the waters of the Nile

the Nile used to be very close to the Sphinx in fact they think it was less than a mile but now it's quite a long ways away that the first ray of the sun will hit the place will strike the place where the records are hidden

now if Casey's right someone is I think was going to ask me about any hidden room in the great pyramid I believe one of your speakers told once about a hidden room in the pyramid it's my understanding Lee I looked it up, I did research on it

according to Edgar Casey that there are channels what can you call them, lanes he said from the great pyramid to the Sphinx and all of this hidden treasure is underground so it's not actually in the great pyramid but would be underground which would be

very much the same thing and I suppose there's some 60 million dollars worth of treasure there but mainly the records of Atlantis are hidden there the records that when they knew that Atlantis was going to go down apparently they copied a form of constitution

such as we have and all of their records of their government and all of their occult knowledge and they brought them into Egypt and they hid them there I'll tell a little bit of the story I'll try to make it short so they can have a lot of time for questions

and ask questions on anything on Casey reincarnation or life after death anything you want to so when these are found it will be all the records for us until 1998 and then he says that the people of the new age our children and our children's children

will instinctively know the future I mean they won't have to be looking for an Edgar Casey he said that they would be born with the knowledge of God within their hearts and also that they would be born with the knowledge of

the other portion of their own entity or their twin sons but these records are for the years up to 1998 and they are supposed to be prophecies for our time and the records of Atlantis so to go back to what he said

about where to find them as you stand at sunrise and I stood there every morning at sunrise about five days there was no sun but anyway it was there he said that the first light of the sun would hit the Sphinx or would hit an area in front of the Sphinx

and this would be where you could find the Sphinx and this would be where you could dig but he said that if the time comes when the new age is really upon us I mean when these younger people

the older people too we really have a great upsurge of love and at that time that we can find the records dig directly at the left paw and the right paw either either one of them so that's what he says

but anyway if I stood there every morning to my horror I had been told this but I said

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Edgar Cayce he said not to be wrong I wouldn't believe it to my horror the sun hits the back of the Sphinx and there's a shadow in back of the Sphinx and I was very very upset and I think I have the answer now

in fact my friend Jerry Steyer who did some work out here showed his slides on Atlantis Jerry and I have gone over and over and over the prophecies line by line just word by word actually what is heaven?

and what is hell? and what is the world? and what is the universe? and what is the human being? and this nation? and what is life? and where is God? and how are we meant to be?

and that's what Edgar Cayce is saying and Jerry says well Jessica, he's speaking in symbols he is not just saying what it is the other night I went to a Yogi group and there were a lot of these young kids here who just mad about Cayce in fact they got me off

and asked so many questions about Edgar Cayce I don't think the Yogi liked it too well but anyway they have a theory now they have been working on this just from reading the books same sentence almost, he speaks of the Great Pyramid. Well, the Great Pyramid no longer has the apex on it. The apex was of silver, alloy, and gold. And this young, some of you

may know him, Johnny Rivers, he has a recording company. He's worked and worked on this idea and just exactly where it's going to hit, that the sun would actually hit where the apex was. And then the light will be thrown back in front of the sea. And so, of course, he said, we think that our age is already here, and maybe we'll even have to work on that. But he wants to go to Egypt also, and I hope to go back again in a year and a half. The one thing I know, because I studied the Cayce readings over all these years, that 20 years now, that Cayce is 99.6 accurate. That's just not my estimate. Harmon Brough, who is a Ph.D. and who's very mathematically minded and who wants to

break down every little error that Cayce could have made, that's his, he went through every reading, 99.6 accurate. And my friend Gene Dixon, I think you would find, I think, Faith, not Faith, Time Magazine said 32% accurate, but I think it's more than that, but they're about 60%. But there's not another clairvoyant on earth who has the accuracy of Edgar Cayce. So actually, I really believe that these records are going to be found. Now, to get ahead real fast, what happened was that my closest friend, Fran, I'll just

say Fran, I won't give her a last name, Fran and I, she was a Ph.D. in psychology, and we were exchanging therapy. And she said, Jessica, I have such a funny feeling. I want you to promise that you will do therapy with my husband, Joe, if anything ever happens to me, that you won't stop for three years. Three years. That's up now. So we don't do therapy any longer. But I promised. It was such a crazy promise. And Fran was my closest friend. She was only 43. She wasn't quite 43 when I made the promise. And on her 43rd birthday, she dropped dead. And so I kept the promise. Her

husband did come for therapy. First, he thought it was a lot of malarkey. He thought Cayce that, well, he was, Cayce was out of his mind. And so this man, Cayce prophesied that the people who, there would be a number of people, maybe some of you in the audience, who actually buried these records would someday, when the time was right, they would remember and they would dream about them, as Johnny Rivers, I think, has dreamed about them. And many of the other younger people, they told me about this the other night. But my friend Joe came twice a week for therapy. And he started to dream of Egypt. And such dreams

I have never heard. In fact, he didn't even know of the people that he was dreaming about. For instance, he didn't know of Akhenaten. And he began to dream, you know, words spelled out, and he spelled it O-C-K-N-O-C-K-T-O-N, and things like that. And he said, I've never heard of such a word. Have you ever heard of such a word as O-C-K-N-O-C-K-T-O-N? And so I started to make a record myself. I would interpret his dream from a psychological standpoint as well as I could. And I'm not a psychologist by any means. I'm just someone who interprets dreams. And then when his dreams became so fascinating, I suddenly knew that here I have a whole novel. I mean, this man, let's

say that he lived at that time, and he lived at that place. As I understand, Edgar Cayce, anyone can read the Akashic Records. Cleopatra, so many people talk about her. If you became very much involved, as Flora Newhouse told me one time, very much involved with, say, the life of Cleopatra, it's quite possible that you might begin to tap the Akashic Records. This is my understanding. In fact, Flora Newhouse herself once thought she was Nell Gwynn. And then she thought this for years because when she'd go into meditation, she would see Nell Gwynn every place. But she was reading about her and thinking about her. And then one day she said that she suddenly

knew that she wasn't. But what had happened with this man, I won't say that he's by any means Akhenaten. I have no idea who or where Akhenaten could be. But he began first to dream in that period. And he dreamed. Even in a psychological way, he is a man who's in steel work. He has an 11th grade education. He makes some arrows, many arrows, as I do, as most of us do, but so many more than the average person. And yet his dreams would be in poetry. And I have pages and pages and pages of poetry about the time of Akhenaten. Some people think that Akhenaten, who was the person in his life, was the person in his life. But he was the person in his life. And

so his dream really started in Egypt, who brought the idea of the one God and incidentally, I believe with all my heart and soul, a former incarnation of Moses. Moses wasn't nearly as confused as Akhenaten. This man would start to dream of himself as a child, and being deformed. Of himself as you know, he dreamed that he was Akhenaten, which any of us might do when we read the worthless records of being hidden away. And no one knowing who he was. of being prepared for the throne by his mother, Ty. And he dreamed that she was his mother.

Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't. No one knows. Archaeologists don't know. And then he would dream of this girl who would come to play with him, who was a year older, his half-sister, he thought. And this was Nefertiti. He would dream just a novel, just one thing after another. Then he would dream of the happy times when they had the children. And always through the dreams there was this effeminate quality.

He was the happiest in his dreams when she was going to have a child. Because this was his great desire, to have a child. And even though he was a man. And then as madness began to set in, his delusions, is his wife going to turn against him? And then in the dreams, a knowledge that some place there are records hidden. And even in his dreams, he would dream of being back 12,000, you know, 7,500 years before and having hidden records.

And dreams are fantastic. And even he dreamed, I mean, there's been a lot of speculation about what happened to the eye of Nefertiti. He dreamed of putting it out, of burning it out in great detail. He meant to burn both eyes out, but he got a little sick. Couldn't do the rest. All this kind of thing. So I thought, well, where are we going?

What good does this do? And then one day, he used to make fun of biblical characters. And so I had a painting by Michelangelo of Moses. And it has two horns, which Michelangelo explained that those were the lights from within. I remember Joe came in, and he said, oh, he said, look at that. He said, wouldn't you know, Moses would have horns. He said, oh, such a terrible man.

I said, what do you know about Moses, Joe? And he said, I don't know anything about Moses. And I hope I never hear of that man. The dream started. Dreams of the miracles of Moses. And it's fitted in right with Akhenaten. And then to go back, he started. He started to dream of Thutmose III.

Now, I believe with all my heart and soul, Cayce mentions that Moses was twice a pharaoh. And I believe that Moses was Thutmose III, who first enslaved the Jews. And then he was Akhenaten, who simply went to the other extreme. And because of his mental condition, he let Egypt go. So that the man who actually enslaved the Jews would be the man that God chose to lead the Jews out of Egypt. Thutmose III first enslaved the Jews.

I didn't know this when Joe started to dream it. I had no idea. And that's one thing I didn't find out for three months. I went to the Jewish university library. I went every place. And no one knew who first enslaved the Jews. And Joe was saying Thutmose III did it in his dreams. Oh, he was dreaming all about it.

And so finally, I found out just this week for sure. I'd been saying it for a month. And I shouldn't have, that Thutmose III really enslaved the Jews. It was a librarian who spent a whole month helping me look this thing up. And we finally found it. So this would just be a karmic pattern.

But to get back to the records of Moses, according to Casey, knew where the records were in Egypt. And he simply went there and just took a few little things with him on the journey. It's interesting, if you read the Bible, they borrowed so many things to take out of Egypt. They borrowed silver. They borrowed gold.

They borrowed everything, which is interesting. But when he wrote, if Moses wrote those books, he said the Israelites borrowed so many thousands of pieces of jewelry and so forth. When were they going to give it back? But this is one thing I thought, it's just a sidelight. But if it's true that within the consciousness of the people who hid these things, let's say that this man three times

was close to these people. Let's say he was a servant to Thutmose III. He was a servant to Akhenaten. And he was a servant to Moses. And he was a servant to Moses. He was someone close to Moses. He'd have to be close to Moses. He broke down every miracle, which I hope will someday

be a book. And not knowing about these things, I took them to my professor in UCLA, the one I used to have. And he said, Jessica, this is just fantastic. He said, this is a novel. No one else has ever done it. You will have to try to do it someday, which I don't know if I can.

But Cayce said that in every lifetime that subconsciously we have known about these records, that someone in this audience might be the person tomorrow to dream about them, that they will be discovered. And it must be, the time has already passed. But to get back, you can even go. He said the records would be complete up to the year 1998. Now, who brought those records?

And then I'll end up on this. And you ask me all the questions you want. According to the story, which some of you may know if you've read the Cayce readings, this is the story. Cayce said that no one ever comes together by chance, that we've all been together before, especially those who live in our world, our Western world,

and who have an intuitive feeling that reincarnation may be true. That if you just feel that way, or if you think, if I had only known Edgar Cayce, I would have had a reading, then you were there. I can be very sure you were there. No one was ever drawn to have a reading who wasn't there. So this would be a story of your life, in a sense. He said that in the beginning, that he left out Atlantis

for all of us. He just didn't go into that at all. He gave many readings, but not for the people as a group. He said 12,500 years ago, even in Egypt, they knew that Atlantis was going down. But Atlantis was so much more advanced than we are. In fact, I saw a flying saucer in Egypt, and I saw it over the Great Pyramid.

And I really felt that it might be sort of a, you know, saying that someday you'll be one of the ones to find the records. I hope so. I've seen three now. This is my third one. And it was, again, I always see the silver boat-like shape. And it, you know, it's very small.

I don't understand how any human beings would be in it. And it turned around, and it was over there for about, I'd say, three minutes that I saw it. So that's the third one I've seen. Well, when I was in Egypt, we stayed at Mina House. And Mina House is right across from the Great Pyramid. Mina House is 105 years old. And if ever you go to Egypt, don't stay in town

at the Hilton or someplace. Because Cairo's not a happy place now. They're very bitter about what's happening. They think all Americans are against them. And at night, we could hear the bombs, you know, or the guns. Only 30 miles away, we could hear them. And it wasn't very pleasant. And they blacked out the hotel every night.

But at Mina House, you can sit on the porch, on the balcony. You can look directly across to the Grand Pyramid. And it would have sometimes, I do see auras at times, and it would have a rose glow. And about the Sphinx, the first time I saw the Sphinx, oh, I'd never seen anything like it before, as if I were a part of it.

And he said that we would have been there when it was built. Some part of us is in that area. I just don't understand the kind of feeling that I had. I would go back to Egypt tomorrow if I could. I'd even live there all my life. But I would live right at the Sphinx. I wouldn't live in Egypt. I'd live in Cairo.

It's quite different in Cairo. But the story that he said, and I started to dream at that time in Egypt, those few weeks, I would dream about 12,500 years ago. He said simply that the Atlanteans began to move in very fast. Remember, in Atlantis, they were far more advanced than we are. They had already contacted other planets.

And they had found it was rather a waste of time. Now whether we're going to find that out, I don't know. But anyway, that it just wasn't possible. It wasn't practical for the Atlanteans. But they were able to contact other planets. According to Edgar Cayce, they had, for instance, television screens across the whole wall. This he gave long ago, long before we had television even.

He called it television. So when this great land was going down for the last time, a lot of people were rushing into Egypt. And they brought these records. But there was another story. Egypt at the beginning. About 13,000 years ago, had just a king. And the king was a native of Egypt.

And according to Cayce, that the Caucasians moved in, and they conquered Egypt. And Edgar Cayce was one of them. His name was Ra Ta. And he is the one who became, after his death, the Egyptian, quote, god. They had hundreds of gods in Egypt. And according to Cayce, we were all there.

We would be of two temples. The Temple of Sacrifice, some of our bodies would not have been perfect. Even if Cayce is right, the story of mermaids, the story of centaurs, all this is true. And so that was the time of perfecting the body in the Temple of Sacrifice. The Atlanteans had many more.

Well, they had thousands of people who had perfect bodies. The other was the Temple Beautiful. And if you have a love for, say, reincarnation, a belief in life after death, astrology, any of these, any of these things, then you would have been in the Temple Beautiful. And it was a spiritual temple. But it's with all things that have a purpose,

something may go wrong. And the pharaoh was Helene Cayce. I think almost everyone knows this. He had a favorite dancing girl. It's just a very human story. And that dancing girl was his mother in this present life. And Edgar Cayce was the priest. And they both fell in love with the same girl, which made,

in fact, complications. But the priest married her. And when he did, it brought him into disgrace, in a sense. And so he was exiled from the land of Egypt to the Nubian land. And he took 231 souls with him. And these souls are supposed to have a mark upon the body, a birthmark.

And incidentally, I do know a lifetime that Cayce gave 300 years ago. And this woman was once painted by Peter Lely. And she has a phoenix on her back. Peter Lely, in his writings, calls it a dove. It's a phoenix. And I have it at the exact spot.

And that's the only proof I have. If you have a birthmark, that is a small one, not something disfiguring, which would be comic. You would have carried it throughout the ages. But anyway, these people followed Edgar Cayce into the Nubian land. And there was a wonderful teacher who was, quote, black, as I understand it.

He was Nubian, Hermes. Hermes was a man. Hermes was a woman. And he, nine years later, came back with Edgar Cayce. He was a former incarnation of Jesus, according to Cayce, not according to me. And he designed the pyramid. He designed the Great Pyramid.

And so great were his psychic gifts that he was able to foresee 12,500 years in the future until the time of what will be the New Age. And we are part of the New Age. And so these records that the Atlanteans brought Hermes wrote the prophecies for our time so that we would know that we are the New Age and that we would know that now is the time

for the brotherhood of man. This is a Cayce story. Did you say I would tell the lives of Jesus? I'll give them briefly as Cayce gave them. Hermes came somehow into power for a very brief period. He was not an Egyptian. And he was, according to Cayce, he was crucified upside down. And this was what they did in Egypt.

When they wished to get the power of another person, he was crucified upside down. His other name was Thoth, T-H-O-T-H, or Thoth, either way that you want to pronounce it. He began writing the picture type of writing, hieroglyphics and so on. And the mystical arts were all begun, as we understand, by Hermes.

And since that time, there's been no one else with quite all that knowledge. And after Hermes, let's see if I can remember offhand, the incarnation. The incarnation of Jesus. Cayce said that, that Jesus was, in the beginning, Aemilius in Atlantis. He was male and female in one.

And we were all angels, all of us, according to Cayce. But we became a little involved in manner. And we got stuck here, so to speak. It's a long lecture. Maybe Jerry can do it sometime. It would take a couple of hours. But anyway, it was Aemilius who chose to lead us out. And the way out of this solar system in any lifetime,

according to Edgar Cayce, is love. When we love enough, then we are on our way to Arcturus, the next sport of call. After Aemilius, he said Jesus was Melchizedek, who apparently was not in the flesh, and Enoch, who walked and talked with God. And I think this is interesting. Cayce said this way back in 1929. And just now, I have a book at home.

And there's a lot of dispute about two books. Cayce also said that Jesus was Joseph, the son of Jacob and Rachel. And this very learned author, with all of his degrees, he says that if Jesus did live, he just got the book of Enoch and the book of Joseph and copied them, the Beatitudes. Well, it would be the same soul.

And the Beatitudes, blessed are the poor in spirit, for they shall see God, blessed are the meek. Joseph wrote the very same thing. This is an authentic book, because someone wrote it for him. And Enoch has the very same idea. It's very interesting to take these three books. You can get them at the library.

The lost books of the Bible, Enoch and the book of Joseph. And compare them with the teachings of Jesus. You would just say, Jesus wrote this. And then there is another book by a minister that said, did Jesus write this book? And he's talking about the book of Enoch. And after, let's see, where did I leave off? After somebody told me, Joseph.

After Joseph would have been Joshua. Joshua, who worked with Moses, who helped to lead the people out of Egypt. Joseph, remember what happened to him. He went, he was sold by his brothers into Egypt. And he became, after being in prison, he became a prince. A prince of Egypt. And then, according to the dreams of this man,

which I think are true, after that, he would have become Tutankhamun. And this I believe with all my heart and soul. I'll tell you just why. One day I was at the library. When I was first, I began to dream of Egypt. And I thought, well, I just as well start to read a little bit.

And I opened the book. And I saw this painting, which we'll show tonight, of Tutankhamun. I see sometimes a tiny little aura on a painting. I've never seen anything that's, you know, you see auras kind of with your third eye. It's not a physical thing. And suddenly, across the room at the library,

this blue and gold aura, it went around the room. Perhaps it was a delusion. And so I believe that this could be a possibility. Then Tutankhamun would have become Joshua. And Joshua went with Moses and delivered the people. So it's a long story. But it's an interesting story. And then according to Edgar Cayce,

Jesus would have been Zend, who was in Persia. And the Zendasta religion, he was the father of Zoroaster. The Zendasta religion is the forerunner of the Hebrew religion. And then finally, there would have been a Jeshua. Jeshua was a Persian scribe who wrote the Book of Job as an allegorical story. A story of mankind in the earth.

And after Jeshua, it would have been Jesus. And of course, Edgar Cayce was a very religious man. And all of this came pouring out of his subconscious. And he was frightened to death. But the whole story of Jesus from the very beginning would have been the one to bring about the New Age. And the finding of the records will have something to do with the New Age.

There will be many, many people who could have lived at that time, who may remember, who may go back, and even go to Egypt. Now, what happened with us? When this man began to dream about these records, I said one day, Joe, he had all these dreams. He dreamed of Thutmose III and how he killed his stepmother, Hatshepsut.

He murdered her, not until she was 59 years old. He waited a long time to do it. But nevertheless, he did it. And he dreamed in great detail exactly how it was done and the instrument he used. It took me four weeks to find out if there was even such an instrument. And I'm not a researcher.

I mean, I'm a born researcher. It's something I love. I understand from Tacey, I've been a nun, shut up in the research library for several lifetimes. So this I love. But he just never has done this. So all of these things do tie together. All of these people.

Tacey talks about a little girl during that time who began to, more than the other students in the Temple Beautiful, began to believe in such things as reincarnation. And she herself. And she herself began to read the Akashic Records. And that this is one of the people who could find the records. And he talks about many, many other people who may. So you may be one of the people.

I don't know. Now what else was I supposed to talk about? Maybe we should go on into the question period. There's so much, Lee, I couldn't cover it all. Let's see. Is there anybody else I'm supposed to mention? You had Nefertiti down, didn't you? Well, I think I mentioned Nefertiti.

That her eye was blinded. And that she would have been an old soul. But my quarrel with Nefertiti is this. The girl that, as your Casey mentioned, 12,500 years ago in Egypt, became Isis. First, he said her name was Euclid. Second, her name was Elka. And she helped to do the records.

These are three different incarnations. And finally, she came back. And at that time, they remembered past lives. And he called her Isis. She was the adopted daughter of Ra. And according to the story, that one day he did prepare a marriage for her with a man called Osiris. And that when Osiris died, all this knowledge she had came out.

Her father, who would have been R-A-I-S, who would have been the native king, who would have been the native king, and that was several lifetimes back, he began the Book of the Dead. And in these three incarnations, she worked on the Book of the Dead. So when her husband died, being very, I'm sure, being very imaginative, being very dramatic, she brought all this knowledge in about life after death.

No one has more reincarnation of the ancient religions than the Egyptians of life after death. And so even, I believe, after her death, she was called the Queen of the West. Casey says Hathor and Isis are the same one. It's just Hathor. Hathor is another aspect of her personality. So this is actually where we begin

to get the thing about life after death, the possibility of reincarnation. And then another incarnation, this is according to Casey, not to me, would have been the wife. Now, I think he had many wives, but I believe that Casey was talking about Nefertiti. And Nefertiti simply, she was much stronger on Eitan, the one god, than Akhenaten.

And in the end, when all the other priests, the priest of Amun-Ra, it was like a war almost, a war on a mental plane. When they wanted to take out everything to do with Eitan, only Nefertiti was the one who stood by it. She stood by it in such a strong manner. And apparently because she believed that her son, Tutankhamun, or Tutankhatan, that he was Jesus,

that if he was the son, come down from heaven, she could no more have turned against this child than she could have turned. She could have turned against herself, and she didn't. So once I mentioned it last night at the cafeteria, long before I was interested in any of this, there was a young man who came to my house, and Jerry put him under hypnosis.

And this boy said, oh, this reincarnation deal, oh, he said, it's crazy. And so he told us a joke. I think it's a real cute joke. It'll help me to remember where I was. He said, you know about this psychiatrist in Beverly Hills, Jessica? And I said, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

Well, he said. He put my friend Johnny, I don't know if this is true or not. He said, he put my friend Johnny under hypnosis, and he put him under every week. And he would say, Johnny, go back to China. Johnny would tell a beautiful story about China. Go back to Egypt. He'd tell about Egypt.

Go back to Atlanta. He'd tell about Atlanta. And one day, the psychiatrist said, go back, Johnny, to the very first life in the Earth. Go back to the very first life in the Earth. And Johnny was quiet a long time. And so the psychiatrist kept saying over and over and over again, go back to the first life on the Earth.

And finally, Johnny said in a deep voice, and on the first day, on the seventh day, I rested. So he said, you see, it's all a lot of malarkey. But on that night, this man, he went under hypnosis. He was only 22. And he has a limited education. I'm sure he never heard Egyptian or Arabic. He's spoken in his life.

And suddenly, this starts pouring out. He would say these words, the whole story, he'd tell an Egyptian, an ancient Egyptian. And he would come, but not in Arabic, as far as I know. We got it on tape. We had two professors listen to it. Then he would come back and tell the story in English. And this is the story he told.

He said that he lived at the time of Akhenaten and Nefertiti. And he lived during the 12 years when they were very happy. So that all of Egypt loved this talk. They said, a man and a woman can love each other, and be truly happy, and be truly made it. That is what the Egyptians said. Then there came, he said, a dark period, when Akhenaten began to turn to his stepbrother, who was called Smenkhari, when Nefertiti was pushed in the background, when Akhenaten seemed

to have many, many, many loves, but was not happy with any of them. He even told about the house of women. And all the many wives. And the many, many loves. But he was happy with no one. Until finally, he said that, a darkness came upon the mind of Akhenaten. And everyone in the court knew about it. And everyone feared to tell him.

Because he was either in a great depression, or he was, he said, giggling. That was the word. He was laughing all the time. And his eyes would roll, which incidentally, is a little, one of the, the indications of schizophrenia. I'm sure that Akhenaten was paranoid. And he said, I'm really sorry. And then he said, there came the day, and how I love this part of the story,

but it still didn't interest me after that, I just sat one night. He said, there came the day that when Asenathan told Nefertiti, and he told the court that she had changed her mind, that she would accept all the gods and not just one god, not just Eitan. And Nefertiti stood in front of the whole court, and they all stood up waiting for her to say this, because if she said so, everything would be right at the court. The priest of Amun-Ra, the many, many gods that they believed in,

that they would not bring pressure upon Asenathan. His throne was, he'd built his own palace, Tel El Amarna it's called now, but everything was very shaky for him at that time. And so he stood, and to force her, this boy said, to force her to say that she would go with the priest of Amun-Ra, and she would forget Eitan. That he brought it up before the whole court. And he said that he stood with his son, Tut-Antham,

and archaeologists say Tut-Antham is not the son, but according to this boy, according to our findings, he is the son of Nefertiti. And he stood with his son, and he said, my son and I, we accept Amun-Ra. But Nefertiti stood before them all, and she said that I am the child of Eitan. And she turned, and with her father, or with her stepfather, I, A-Y, she walked out of the palace, and little Tut-Antham followed her. And he walked with his mother, and he took her hand. And when this boy told this, it was so vivid, it was as if I could actually see it.

And he came out of it, and he was crying, and he said, my God, I remember everything. I remember, maybe I saw it in a movie, but it seems too real. So that, to get back, if Jesus, little Jesus, if Tut-Antham, you know, Gene Dixon. Had one thing that interests me a very great deal. She saw Nefertiti, she said, which I think was a dream, came out of the sky. And that she had Joseph with her, but Joseph was a former lifetime of Jesus. She didn't say Tut-Antham.

And she said that Joseph was pushing her to have her give her predictions, and so on. I haven't read the book recently, but those two people are mentioned. And I was amazed, because Casey says, that Joseph is the former incarnation of Jesus. And apparently, she picked up on this, to that degree. So somebody who was at those courts, the court of Akhenaten, oh, I said my quarrel with Nefertiti, and then I'll finish. Isis brought all the beauty of life after death, of reincarnation.

She brought all of this. She, with others who helped her, in the temple of Isis. And she evidently spent lifetimes, three or four lifetimes, doing it, just that this is what she had to give, and this is what she gave. If you read about Isis, her life was horrible. I'm sure it's exaggerated. But anyway, this is what she did. And then Nefertiti, even with her great desire, maybe if she could have just left a little bit

about reincarnation, a little bit about life after death, but this was not done. And when we come to Moses, when you fail in something, then the next lifetime, your soul is so strong for it. The next lifetime, you're going to be a great person. You're going to be a great person. In that lifetime, Moses did anything but fail about the idea of the one God. I'm sure that he wanted to be Pharaoh. And if Cayce suggests, at least he seems to say very definitely,

that Moses never accepted that he was Hebrew. That he really believed that he was the daughter of the son of the Egyptian. And yet he went home to his real mother and his real sister every, what we would call weekend, Thursday, Friday, and the Sabbath day. He was at his own home. His mother, his stepmother did that, or his foster mother. But he would never have accepted that. And this was sort of the guilt of Moses, because he led these people out,

was never certain himself whether he was Egyptian or not. So these are some of the stories. And if you think of any questions that you want to ask on anything, reincarnation, life after death, anything, I'll be glad to answer them. And then later, oh, let me say this one thing more. When I'm doing this slide, I may not be able to tell you. Ramesses II, who was the one who ejected Moses, looks exactly like Abenhotep III. And if you can remember those two names.

Now, Abenhotep III would have been what most people call the father of Akhenaten. In our research, he's not the father. But nevertheless, he would have been. According to the dreams of this man, and again, I am absolutely astonished. He said...