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1968 November 23rd Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Daniel Fry Humanity Not Ready For Aliens Shows An Oregon Museum Of Science And Industry Omsi Film Pacfic Rocket Society Aliens Live On Ships

Understanding Audio Transcript

Recording structure

• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [20:08] Main address
• [01:01:32] Development of the main themes
• [01:31:44] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

by various programs who wanted to have an interesting kook to put on their program and to have something to laugh about afterwards. So we appeared on many programs, but almost never in a good light. Almost always we were exhibited rather than invited. It was a question of exhibiting much as the circus exhibits their freaks to the audience. And so the radio and television did likewise. At that time, no one would have believed that any scientist would ever become interested in this subject. So we have had a ten-year period in which gradually the subject has been taken more and more seriously.

More and more people have become really interested, and more and more people have been convinced. Of course, when you have seen one of these objects at close range, you can never unsee it. When you have learned the facts, you can never unlearn them. So the progress has always been in one direction. Each year, a few more people have seen these things at close range, and so a few more people realize that they are material objects. Since you can never unrealize that, the movement is all in one direction.

The last Gallup poll taken a little over a year ago, indicated that five million people in this country had made written statements or public statements that they had seen objects that could not be explained in earthly terminology. Now, this is a small percentage of the population of the United States yet, five million people, but it's a lot of people if you get them all in one place. But the poll also disclosed another simple fact, that less than one person in twenty who even has a good sighting will make any public mention of it. So at five million,

less than one person in twenty who even has a good sighting will make any public mention of it. And only one in twenty who sees one will make public mention of it. How many people in this country have seen him? About two-thirds of the population. It's a test that a friend of mine and I used to make at least once or twice a year when we were down in this part of the country or in San Francisco area. The two of us would get on a crowded bus somewhere at rush hour, being jammed together with humanity all around us,

and without paying any attention, and to those around us, we would begin to talk among ourselves of something that one of us had seen in the sky. Speak about a UFO that one of us had observed. Usually before we'd gotten two sentences out, the nearer next to us would start to flap, and the man standing next to us would turn around and say, well, do you think there could really be anything to that?

Because last year, Joe Spivis and I were out on a hunting trip in the north woods, and we saw, and he'll begin to describe the thing that he saw, before he gets halfway through, the person on the other side turns around, and he says, well, now that you bring up the subject, my wife and I were on the front porch last month, and we saw, and he'll begin to describe what he saw,

and before he's through, someone else will begin to describe. Within less than ten minutes, you've got at least 50% of the people on that bus talking about the things that they have seen in the sky. But all of them end up in exactly the same way. They say, well, we saw it, and we saw it well enough to know what we saw, but of course we would never dream of telling anyone else

because everyone else would think that we were crazy. So it's a very peculiar situation when two-thirds of the population of this country have seen these things, and yet 90% of them are afraid to say anything to their neighbor for fear that the neighbor will think they're crazy, not knowing that their neighbor has also seen them and is also afraid to say anything about it.

Many people bought UFO books and UFO magazines in the past. They were very interested, and they'd buy these things, and they'd hide them under their coat, and they'd take them home, and then they'd slip them under the Saturday evening post on their library table somewhere for fear their neighbors would see that they had it.

And it's only recently that these people have discovered that their neighbor also has a UFO book under his Saturday evening post. So now they can bring them out, and they're quite popular. Every national magazine in the country has done one or more articles on UFOs in the last year.

So it's a very peculiar situation. Not too many of them have anything of interest to the UFO student, because almost everything that comes out in national magazines today was printed in some saucer magazine seven years ago. There's very little new material yet that's come out in national magazines.

The interesting thing was the Port of the UFO magazine published it at its own expense and circulated at its own expense. Life magazine published a million copies of a one-dollar special edition and sold them all within four hours. Excuse me, four million copies.

The first edition was four million copies, and they sold within about four hours of the time they were put on the newsstand. They made over a million dollars profit printing things that saucer magazines had printed six years ago at their own expense and got nothing for it. So it makes a big difference

where you're working from. But there has been, through all of this time, a feeling on the part of the people, gee, when will we be recognized or when will scientists start to take interest? When will educated people become interested in a subject?

Of course, there have been a lot of people interested in the subject, educated people all the time. But last July, this reached a culmination of a sort. We have had, quote, scientific investigations of unidentified flying objects, unquote,

for some time. A little group called Project Blue Book, which changed its name every two years. It was Project Blue Book, Project Grudge, Project Saucer, Project Sign, and back to Project Grudge,

and finally back to Project Blue Book. Every two years it announced that it had completed its study and was disbanding, and every two years it changed its name and went right on. But this was primarily a group which existed

for the purpose of tranquilization, not of investigation, not of investigation. It was a group that existed for the primary purpose of preventing people from becoming panic-stricken or too interested

or too curious about something that nobody really had the answers to. And certainly Project Blue Book never found any answers, never really tried for any significant answers, because whenever they found

data that they could not explain in ordinary earthly terms, they simply shelved that data. They would always admit that there were certain personalities that they could not identify. They would always say

that there was a percentage of these observations that they could not identify. What that meant was it was impossible to identify them with any known earthly phenomenon.

In other words, they could have explained them very easily. They just refused to explain that percentage. If there was the slightest possibility in the world that that object

could be explained in earthly technology or terminology, it was always so explained. If there was one chance in a hundred that an observation was a weather balloon,

it was automatically explained as a weather balloon. If there was one chance in a hundred that it was a mirage, it was automatically explained as a mirage. If there was one chance

in a hundred that it could be explained as a mistaken interpretation of a conventional aircraft, it was automatically so explained. But if there was no possibility

whatever of explaining it as anything other than a spaceship from somewhere else, it just wasn't explained at all. Those were the kind that were unexplained.

So it was a tranquilization group, not an investigative group. It never really spent any effort to get to the bottom of things. Last July,

finally, there was a symposium on unidentified flying objects in the U.S. House of Representatives, that is,

in Congress of the United States. A few people have heard something of this, at least that it existed. Very few people know that the full data

on it is available. I have here, and those of you who are interested can get the information afterwards if you want to order it from

the government printing office. You can get a copy of it. It will cost you something, probably a dollar. There are 247 pages, and if it were

a book published by a publishing company, it would cost you five or six dollars to get it, but the government printing office is quite reasonable

on their printing. There are 247 pages of specific scientific testimony given before the Congress of the United States by 12 of the

nation's top scientists, and most of their testimony was directed toward debunking the debunkers. Every one of them

pointed out that there had never really been any kind of scientific examination into this, including the Denver investigation, or rather the Boulder,

Colorado, which is nearby, University of Colorado, the investigation headed by Jeff C. Condon, that this was simply a continuation

of the Air Force studies, and its sole purpose was to take the load off the Air Force because the Air Force had reached a point where nobody believed

anything that they said anyway. So they had to pass the buck to some other organization, and the University of Colorado was the organization

that took the rap. I talked with Jesse for two hours in his office in Boulder, Colorado, in the University building, and he was

quite frank. He said, our investigation has already been completed. The only thing is to write the report. And it was actually

written at that time almost entirely. But they didn't know exactly what to put in the report nor what to do with the report after it was written

and exactly how to write the report. That project was set up with no thought whatever that it would introduce that it would result

in the discovery of any significant fact. In other words, it was set up to process chaff that expected to receive nothing but chaff

and was prepared to process only chaff. And here and there and quite unexpectedly they began to get a little wheat and they didn't know what to do with it.

They got it by accident because nobody in his right mind would ship wheat to a chaff factory if he knew it was a chaff factory. But here and there

they picked up a little wheat and they were very concerned about what to do with it and how to write this in the report and who to send

the report to. I felt quite a bit of pity for that organization because they're going to be in Dutch no matter what they do, no matter what they say, no matter what they write.

I really felt deeply for them. Of course, they should have anticipated this before they accepted the $500,000 to go into this. I talked with them

a little while about this, that and the other aspect as I soon reached the realization that they knew far less after having spent

half a million dollars, they knew far less about the overall scope of the project. than I did. Nobody's ever paid me $500,000 or $5,000

or $500 or $5. I spent about 18 years on my own at my own expense and my own time in meeting virtually everyone

in this country who's had any kind of an experience. I've listened to professors, I have listened to scientists, I've listened

to engineers and you'd be surprised how many of them have had personal experiences that they don't dare say anything about the public

at all. In lecturing for service clubs down here in Long Beach a few years back I did lecture for the Rotary Club

and they invited some other clubs in and they had over 500 people at that lecture. I arrived a few minutes early and a man grabbed me off

to one side right away and he said I'd like to have you listen to me for a minute if you can. He showed me

his identification and his credentials. He was working in optical control systems for North America's American Aviation. He said

I was an astronomer until a few years ago when I took this job. I'm not still working in optics but I'm working in pursuit systems. And in the last

close approach of Mars to this planet he had seen something with a 10 inch telescope that he had

set up on Penthouse and it was far from there. His friend in Glendale had a similar telescope

and he had called his friend up on the phone. His friend was already observing the object because it was during the close

approach of Mars they were both scanning the sky and this was right in the vicinity of Mars. That is in line with it.

It was in the vicinity of the planet Earth but it was in line with the planet Mars and they got a triangulation because it's quite away from Long Beach

to Glendale they knew the distance quite exactly. They had the base of a quite accurate triangulation and they decided

this thing was about 150 miles away from the surface of the Earth at that point and

about 1,100 feet in length and they got the other dimensions and so forth and I said well did you

make a report on this and he said well of course not he said you think I'm crazy he said if I had

everyone else would he said I still need my job here but he said I had to tell somebody and I thought maybe you'd understand.

Well it's amazing how many of these kind of stories I've listened to because being in I mean I'm one of the persons that nobody

worries about recounting their experiences to where very few of them would talk to Condon

or anyone else in a technical investigation group because the first thing that would be done that they would have the psychiatrist

sit on them and an attempt would be made to explain it in earthly terms no matter how much the data had to be twisted to do so.

But anyhow you might like to know that there have been hearings held in Congress in the United States this report is a symposium

on unidentified flying objects I just got a note here Dan I have received a form note from the superintendent of documents

in Washington saying that the supply is exhausted there is no indication that there will be another printing we might have to print this thing

privately in order to get it around apparently they printed a few dozen copies and these were supposed to go it says printed for use of the

Committee on Science and Astronautics it wasn't originally intended to go to the public but it is a part that's printed by the government

printing office it is a part of the congressional record and you can copy the congressional record

so if they don't get it printed some of us are going to see that a dozen copies are printed if we have to print privately

but anyway here is the book we would like to look at over after the lecture to calculate a little bit of what has

taken place in the last ten years well in the last six years of that ten years this same University of Colorado

which has always been a center of some interest in space travel and extraterrestrial life and intelligence since the first

wireless message was received from space there in 1898 during some experiments on wireless telegraphy

there's always been a certain amount of interest there and six years ago the university polled its students

during a flap or just after a saucer flap there was some interest in it and so the university sent around a little questionnaire

to each of the students and this questionnaire said only do you or do you not believe do you or do you not believe that there is a substantial

possibility that this planet is occasionally being observed by intelligent beings from somewhere else do you believe

it is now or it has in the past or it is likely to be in the near future and only two percent

of the students answered yes ninety-eight percent said no that was six years ago last year they repeated

the poll and sixty-two percent said yes and then so the degree of acceptance has gone from two percent

to sixty-two percent at the college level in a period of less than six years it's really quite an advancement it is possible to speak on the subject

of extraterrestrial life and intelligence today without having anyone send for the padded wagon and the boys

in the white coats it's a fairly socially acceptable study today and it's getting

more and more so every day so that really there has been progress in the last ten years we have been getting somewhere

although the impatient person who wants to see a thousand saucers land on the white house lawn tomorrow sometimes

is impatient he just can't quite wait for this to happen if he paused to consider some of the terrible things

that might follow in the wake of such a landing he wouldn't be quite so eager for it to happen I can

understand this I have never been anxious for an overt act on the part of extraterrestrials because I realize full well

some of the hazards that this would bring about we as a race simply are not quite yet

prepared for such a thing in any way it could have tremendous repercussions it went down every avenue

of man's thought here I know that the people who are impatient are impatient

primarily whether they realize it or not because of their own status they're tired

of being called a kook and if there were a thousand spaceships landed on

the White House lawn they could say see I told you so and they would become

important people well this is nice and it would be nice to be looked

up to and respected for a change instead of being a kook but I for one am not willing to

sacrifice the welfare of this civilization just from my own status I'm willing

to leave this to history to decide quite a long time ago a Greek

philosopher was asked why there hadn't been some agitation to erect a statue in his

honor he had a very simple answer to it and it's one I've subscribed to ever since he said

I would much rather that my descendants asked why no statue had been erected

in my honor than to have them ask why one had so we're going to

show a little picture here and I want to talk a little bit about it because if I don't you'll

miss the significance of it it moves very rapidly it was put together a few

months ago at the request of the American Museum of Science and Industry

the way it came about was this one evening about nine o'clock our phone rang and I

picked up the phone and someone on the other side said this is OMSI and I

said great I said what planet is that so he said oh you don't understand

OMSI is a means the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry well I was

kidding him because I didn't know what OMSI meant there are clubs in most of

the big cities in Oregon but it's a little unexpected to pick up a

phone and have someone say this is OMSI so I said fine what would OMSI

like for me and he said about 23 minutes

[20:08] Main address

of motion picture well first he said we have had a whisper that you can

put together a television programs in a hurry and I said well if it's just

yakking sure I can talk any time before TV camera and he said oh

no we need this motion picture he said we're having a big space

week up here the Air Force has loaned us a replica of the Saturn

missile and we put it up in the park and some smaller missiles

and we're having a big hoop-de-doo on space this week and we need a TV program

to advertise OMSi we've got a half an hour of TV time up here in

Eugene and we'd like to have you put together 23 minutes of film

well this isn't an easy task I said what gave you the idea that I could

put film together oh he says I don't know but someone said probably you could

well we do have between 20 and 30,000 feet of film library

I have carried a 16mm camera for some 25 years now almost everywhere I

went and when you do you from time to time get interesting footage I had collected

quite a lot of other footage from time to time and he said well we need the

history of flight we're having a space week we're showing what man has achieved now but

I would like to show how he got that way and I said well where do

you want to start he said well let's start at the beginning and I said where

is the beginning and he said well let's start with Orville and Wilbur Wright

throw in a picture of the Orville and Wilbur Wright's takeoff from Kitty Hawk

North Carolina on December 17th 1903 that's a good place to start give a

little film back from 1903 and then from there on give us a few scenes of

the development of aviation in America from that time coming up to the present time

and a little on rockets and then a few UFOs if you've got them and make us

23 minutes of film he said it has to be 23 minutes oh plus or minus a couple

of seconds because it's exactly a 30 minute program of course and we've got just 7

minutes of advertising for America so make it 23 minutes of film and

I said well now wait a minute this is something that Hollywood could do in

about 6 months if you gave them the contract at the cost of maybe $50,000

how much have you got he said oh we haven't got any money we didn't

intend to pay anything for this we just thought maybe you'd like to do it so I

said alright I said Hollywood would take at least 6 months to put together something like

this how long have I got and this was on a Tuesday evening

and he said we have to show this Saturday afternoon at 4 well

it was one of these ridiculous challenges so utterly impossible and so

utterly ridiculous that I decided to do it I already had 3 very busy

days ahead of me at that time so about the only time I had was from

7 or 8 o'clock at night till midnight or 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning

and I began to go through our film library and take out cuts here

and cut the chunk out here and a scene out there and put

them together I had 72 splices in the original film

72 strips of film that came out of more than 20,000 feet of

random film and I spliced them together and then I had to count the frames on

every scene so I could write a narration that fit the scene I had to write

11 pages of narration to fit it so I wound up with 23 minutes of film

none of which would be very interesting by itself but tied together it is

a fairly coherent history of the development of aviation in this country

it does start with Orville and Wilbur Wright's takeoff

from Kitty Hawk North Carolina December 17th 1903

not very many people even know that there were motion picture cameras at that

time and there weren't as far as most of the public is concerned

that it hadn't been commercialized as yet but pictures were taken it has

an all-star cast it includes men like Eddie Rickenbacker and his

flying circus in World War I it has pictures of Lucky Lindbergh's takeoff on his

solo ocean hop flight it has pictures of Will Rogers and Wiley Post

takeoff on their last flight that ended fatally at Point Barrows Alaska it has

pictures of the explosion and burning of the Hindenburg Zeppelin at Lakehurst New Jersey

it has pictures of the takeoff of Amelia Earhart and her co-pilot

on their last flight that ended nobody knows where and so on through history the older

people here will recognize practically every face it has a shot of the first airmail

flight the U.S. airmail flight and President Wilson shaking hands with the

pilot which excited him and everyone else so much that they cranked for 15 minutes

on the propellers of the plane before they remembered that nobody had ever

put any gas in the tanks and , after which they hastily

filled the tanks and they were still so excited the pilot took off and having

no compass on the plane he got confused on the takeoff and he

flew 26 miles in exactly the wrong direction before he realized he was lost and then he

tried to make landing in the farmer's cornfield and overturned the plane and thus

ended the first airmail flight from some of the things that happened to mail today

I sometimes think that maybe it hasn't improved the the much

since then but this was the first airmail flight ever attempted the first

transfer of U.S. mail by air and it went 26 miles in the wrong

direction there isn't room enough in the scene to narrate this which is

why I'm telling you about it now all we have there is a picture of

President Wilson shaking hands but every person you see in there is a person well known in

the history of aviation but the scenes are so short that I have to talk about a little first or they'll

zip by and you won't quite grasp the scenes we have some shots and this is

film that you'd look a long time before you'd find anywhere in the world today

we have some shots of some private aviation tests of new planes one of

which terminates very fatally right before the camera but it is a part of the history

of aviation you'll see what I mean when we show it then we come into

the rocket business I have some of you have seen the little rocket shot

before that's the oldest piece of color motion picture film in the world

showing the rocket in flight it doesn't go back as far as Goddard or Von

Opel but it does go back as far as color motion picture film goes

and it was taken with some of the first color motion picture film

it's a little bit faded now but you'll recognize it it was a wood burning rocket

the Pacific Rocket Society designed built and tested it

I was the first secretary treasurer of that society we were building

designing building and firing our own rockets from our own proving

grounds more than four years before Uncle Sam ever got the idea of building

rockets and one of our programs was to build the simplest

possible rocket a few moving parts and we used a tank of

liquid oxygen bolted onto a billet of wood soft wood that had a whole board down through

the center of it and a Venturi shape in the end of it

and the injector spiraled the liquid oxygen down around the side of the inside

of the wood and when you do this and ignite it by wood

burns about the same speed as slow black powder it makes a real nice rocket

except in this case the little billet of wood hadn't been wrapped for strength

and it split and it produced a jet one jet at right angles

to the other jet with very peculiar results which you'll see on the screen

but it's the oldest piece of color motion picture film showing a rocket in flight

and we have it in our library the only ones that do have it

we have the only copy in existence and then we have some later shots coming

up to more modern rockets and so forth and the rest you'll get from

the narration I guess I can get this microphone back there because I'll

have to narrate I haven't got sound on the film yet this is kind of a

corny picture in ways because I put it together I didn't even have I couldn't

photograph anything for this film I had three days and it takes ten

days even to get film developed a up there so I couldn't

shoot anything I do have a much more advanced copy of

this which is going to be released for use in colleges and high schools and

universities it's brought about a great deal of interest there because all of these students

have heard of Will Rogers and Wiley Post they've heard of Amelia Earhart and Noonan

they've heard of all of these people but how many of them have ever seen

these people and here they are living again for at least a few brief moments

on the screen and so it is something that I think every high school and every college

should show at least once just as history of aviation but I have put it together

with a new heading the history of flight I had to use entirely film that

I had in the library so I used one understanding presents and this

was a little card I'd made up for a television program eight years before

I had another piece of film the romance of space which was also some

of the artwork that was used in that program and I had to splice

these in just to make a motion picture out of it so it

isn't a finished Hollywood product although I do have a much better

copy of this and it will run 30 minutes it will be for high schools and

colleges I will also put it on TV film and it will be available for television

stations that want to show the history of flight but this is the original

just as it was put together I have some UFO shots in the end of it

now some of these are genuine photographs of UFOs some of them are photographs

of photographs some of them are artwork you just have to sort them out

but they show a general quick running general history of UFO

the ones that were photographed on film all have a rapid precession on the

vertical axis well this is not very good here because these were taken

on 16 frames per second and being shown on 24 so they swing

much faster much faster than they did the scanning rate on

these things is actually just about the scanning rate of a radar screen they go

around about the same rate as a radar screen but when you show them

on take them on 16 and show them on 24 that speeds it up

and makes it look a little jerky but anyway we won't apologize

for the film we're just going to show it and it does have a theme

if I had not only put this film together it would have no significance and I

wouldn't be showing it here tonight if it would have a very important

theme a theme that is necessary to understanding of people today

of what our space program represents people say well why are we spending

all this money just to put an astronaut in orbit around the earth

or just to send him to the moon for a little while the one

thing that this picture brings out starting from the very beginning of flight

is man's inherent desire and need subconscious at the beginning

but becoming conscious later to escape from the surface of the planet

on which he was born human races intelligent races when they

reach a certain stage of technology abandon the planet

on which they were born scientists and astronomers sometimes object to

the visitation of this planet they say well where would they come from

it doesn't look like our local planets are very suitable for habitation and uh

they're they're the next nearest ones would have to be about alpha

or proxima centauri four and three tenths light years away the next

ones would have to be about bernard star or wolf eight some

eight light years away and it would take eight

ten twelve fourteen or maybe a hundred years for them to come

here in spacecraft nobody would bother to go that

far it is generally realized today by physicists that it

is a statistical probability that at least seventy five percent

of all the planet in its life that it is born

it lives all of its life in its tremendous ships which it builds

itself with its own technology which have been built in cycles of ecology

and we'll talk a little bit about that after the picture but man at a certain stage

of his development goes into space wherever in the galaxy he is born

wherever intelligent race is formed biologists tell us that life on this

planet began in the oceans and the seas of the world began in

the water and at a certain stage of its development some of that life

crawled out into the air well this is impossible as any fish can tell you

any fish can prove to you that you can't possibly live in air

you have to be in water that you would die in air as the fish does

when it's pulled out into the air but somehow this life managed to do it

of course it had to take some of the water along with it our bodies

are still almost all water they're still largely water and we have to have quite

a lot of water all the time so we have to take the water

with us man when he goes out into space will have to take some of

the water and some of the air with him in his own vehicles

but he will eventually and very soon now become totally

independent of this planet and something we'll talk a little bit more about

after the picture the means by which this is accomplished how these craft

are built what these are are built built in cycles of ecology are that

enable people to become independent of a planet forever they will

never have to return here nor will they ever have to touch in another

planet if they don't choose to do so they probably will so

choose from time to time but they don't have to they are self-contained

closed systems just as this planet is a closed system people say

what happens when the air food and water will run out we've had animals on

this planet for 500 million years and the air food and water here hasn't run out yet

it isn't any closer to running out than it was 100 million years ago we're busily

contaminating it at a pretty great rate now but that's our problem not the effect of

nature we haven't used up any of the air any of the food or any

of the water it just constantly cycles through various stages

of existence anyway we'll show the picture and the theme is man's inherent

necessity inherent desire and subconscious at first but becoming conscious

later and you will see then how he begins to struggle to reach this final

goal of independence of the planet on which he was born over and

turn a little bit it isn't square with it go a little bit farther over

that's a little better I don't think it's quite square yet it could turn a little bit

more that's probably alright your side could go back a little bit

more if it can I mean to make it square with the projector

it isn't bad it's just rock that foot just rock that foot a little bit

yeah that's fine you have about 30 seconds of theme music that will be put on

the new film it was written especially for this picture by a

good friend of ours who teaches electric organ up in Grand Spouse Oregon

we also have another friend who has the best electric organ in Southern Oregon so we got

the two of them together and she produced some theme music for this she's

wonderful that way she can sit down with the organ and play theme music

for any type of theme that you give her you just tell her what the

thing is going to be about and she'll make theme music it's very handy

you don't have to worry about ASCAP collecting royalty every time you use

the music but we don't have it isn't on the film yet and we don't have

a tape recorder here to play it on so we'll have to get through the first

30 seconds without music at the very beginning of his development he had an instinctive need

and desire to escape from the surface of the planet on which he was

born somehow even the lonely shepherd who looked into the heavens

at night and saw the many points of beckoning light knew within

himself that the ultimate destiny of his race was not to be

found upon any planet but somewhere out among the stars man's gods have

always had their home in the sky and his symbols point the way which man must follow

as soon as man had achieved the rudiments of the technology he began the long

struggle to join his gods in the heavens his first attempts were crude

devices which used muscle power alone none of these were successful of course

and most of them would have been laughable except that the failure of each attempt

was in the nature of a tragedy to those whose dreams were shattered along with

the products of their labor some of the later attempts made use of huge

containers of light gas usually hydrogen these while they were partly

successful for a time usually ended in even greater tragedy

since most of them eventually exploded and burned with the loss of many

lives finally man succeeded in building internal combustion engines

which would produce enough power to make flight possible helicopters

and ornithopters were tried without notable success but two brothers named Orville

and Wilbur Wright demonstrated the merits of the cambered wing in

straightforward flight these flights took place at Kitty Hawk North

Carolina on December 17th 1903 women like Ruth

Elder and men like Eddie Rickenbacker made aviation history

and were the idols of the public because of their daring and of

their skill but most of all because they demonstrated that man

could indeed fly like the birds here's Eddie Rickenbacker and part

of his flying circus in World War One another

milestone in the history of flight was his first dispatch of

U.S. Mail by Air and here's President Wilson shaking hands

with the pilot who's going to fly 26 miles in the wrong

direction still another was the first ocean spanning solo

flight of Charles Lucky Lindberg in his famous plane

the Spirit of St. Louis and no one of course

will ever forget the flights of Will Rogers and

Wiley Post or those of Amelia Earhart and

Ruth Nolans interest in rocket propulsion was being revived

and liquid propellants were being tested the Pacific Rocket Society

designed built and flew this wood burning rocket several

years before Uncle Sam went into the rocket

business the oxidizer was liquid oxygen and the

only fuel was a billet of wood which

comprised the body of the motor as you

see it was not too successful back to

the old drawing board tomorrow is another day

and this is a tomorrow several years later

at the same testing society in its missiles

had grown to the point where the public

was invited to witness the launching this bird

used liquid oxygen and carbon enriched steel coal

a happy combination of fuel and oxidizer which

Uncle Sam's researchers discovered and used in upper atmosphere

soundings eight years later incidentally this bird which

reached an altitude of more than eight miles

cost the society a total of twenty two

dollars and fifty cents to build to fuel

and to launch thus making it somewhat cheaper

than any of Uncle Sam's birds of similar

range high speed planes of many varieties came

into being including a few successful jets some of

these planes brought fame and fortune to their

pilots while others brought only death nevertheless the

struggle went on constantly to build planes that would

fly faster or higher or farther or would

carry more payload than any plane had ever

done before different types of planes were designed

and built some to carry passengers some for

freight and others just to carry bombs several

new types of wing configuration appeared in experimental

planes one of the most surprising of these

was a Douglas delta wing plane which had

no visible tail or guide surfaces and yet

managed to fly quite well in spite of

the tremendous amount of effort enthusiasm and development

of the airplane it was already becoming obvious

that man would not long be satisfied with

any mode of transportation that was limited to

the atmospheric envelope about the earth as was

any plane that required air to feed its

engines and to support its wings having learned

to fly man now demanded a much greater

area in which to practice his newly acquired

ability and so he turned again to the

rocket the early flights of the X-15 at

the White Sands proving grounds near Las Cruces

New Mexico a number of partially completed V-2

missiles which had been acquired by the U.S.

Army in the capture of Pina Mundi at

the close of World War II where tests

were put together with some improvements in fuel

and guidance instrumentation these hopped up missiles were

launched at the Navy Block House as a

part of the Blossom Project which soon had

cameras mice and monkeys soaring into space some

of them even came back alive the piston

engine plane was now all but obsolete man

soon tires of even his most costly toys

and he discards them as thoughtlessly as a

small child discards his here in this graveyard

of rust and corrosion are more than a

thousand millions of dollars worth of most of

which have flown fewer hours and were required

to build them more than a thousand millions

of dollars worth some of them were only

a few hours long flying jet planes were

subject to the guidance and control of the

pilot but the rocket had not yet carried

man with it and the ground control systems

used to guide it left much to be

desired here on the Hawaiian island of Hawaii

the missile program was designed to improve the

electronic control systems then available the missiles were

controlled from planes which flew above and behind

them the Regulus 1 was a subsonic missile

of limited range which had relatively little significance

as a military weapon but which did become an

excellent vehicle for the development and testing of

radio operated control systems it was not a

true rocket because it required air for its

operation support but these same properties enabled it

to remain within the range of the control

plane for much longer periods than would have

been possible with a true rocket which must

follow a ballistic trajectory also it enabled the

test vehicle to return safely to earth to

be refueled and used again which would not

have been possible with a true rocket it

was this group of missile men who adopted

the motto what goes up must come down

gently you see how gently these do come

down here is a control plane taking off we

put in a few launchings just so you

can see what the regular one looked like

when it was being launched this is on

standard speed and it's in view for a

very short time it was overexposed and because

the island of Kauai is a beautiful place

we think you should see the way it

really looks we took another shot with the

proper exposure just to show how it actually

looks now this is a regular one taking

off that's the booster the sustainer is smokeless

and here they come back after the journey

still under control still operating still under control

by the control planes behind them there's no

individual inside that crocodile regular one every motion

it makes is controlled by radio from the

planes behind it yet you see how gently

it comes down touches the earth a breaking

parachute pops out that is it emits a

parachute and now that space probes could be

precisely and dependably controlled from either the ground

or the vehicle the imagination of man began

to create extensive plans for deep space travel

more while most of the spaceships which were

envisioned in these plans were never actually built

the engineering data which was created as a part

of these plans became very useful in computing

the courses of those vehicles which were subsequently

built the plans shown here for a manned

expedition to the moon were engineered charted drawn

and photographed some ten years before the first

butnik went into orbit this shows the multistage

artist concept of the multistage missile being fired

we do it just about the same way

now except we don't have the three main

braces there's jettison of the nose cone this

just shows the data being radioed to the

spacecraft and from the spacecraft in exchange of

communication while it's in the air this is

the artist concept of the data coming down

to earth to the laboratories this is one

of the big dishes which picks it the

banks of computers which collect the data this

is just the artist concept remember this was

done ten years before the first button it

went into orbit this is the first launching

orbit here then is the kick in the

apogee as they call it the starting of

the motors again at the highest point of

flight to make a circular orbit as soon

as that circular orbit has been completely established

and charted then the pursuit vehicle is launched

as you see here it makes one of

the narrower orbits then the motors are started

at the highest point of the apogee and

it is then follows a maneuver known as

rendezvous this is a maneuver known as docking

the actual physical connecting of the objects this

was just to refuel the original vehicle and

there it goes on its lunar trajectory here

the reverse thrust the turning of the motor

toward the moon the reverse thrust to slow

down the descent this is touched down they

did allow this object to fall over which

would have been difficult if there was a

crew that intended to return but the little

gadget shown here is amazingly like the one

we actually landed on the moon a few months

ago to dig little trenches and to photograph

the size of the granules of material that

it dug up it also moved on treads

and moved around just about like this this

thing was gone and filmed ten years before

the first buttoning sometime there had burst upon

the world a scientific achievement which had such

tremendous potential for good or for evil that

even the most capable of scientific minds were

somewhat stunned by the impact the nucleus of

the atom more concentrated than that from any

source previously known and its potential for destruction

staggered the imagination of all mankind the fact

that one bombing plane could now carry in

its belly more explosive energy than had been

released by all of the bombs dropped by

all of the sides in all of world

war two was difficult to accept and impossible

to understand yet one fact did emerge which

was undeniable in stark simplicity and certainty now

you see the little black spots in the

front they are full sized battleships they were

anchored five miles in front of the explosion

it took about ten seconds so that explosion

is moving outward about half a mile per

second it took about ten seconds for them

to be engulfed in the explosion in several

of these you'll find these little battleships if you

see little dark specks in front of the

camera at sea level they're battleships it gives

you some idea of the tremendous size there

again you see a couple of battleships being

engulfed by an explosion if a third world

war should erupt and if these weapons were

used to their fullest potential as they almost

certainly would be then no significant portion of

our present civilization could possibly and even of

all human life on this planet were freely

and repeatedly made by philosophers and scientists whose

accepted position in society caused their opinion to be

respected it seemed that mankind as a whole was in

greater danger than he had ever been before in his

extremity man began to look to the heavens as been

his habit since time began and but now

he was looking to the heavens for two reasons

first it was the region in which he

hoped soon to explore in his own spaceships

and second it was the area from which

he hoped consciously or unconsciously that help would

come in the solution of his seemingly insoluble

problems as man looked upward with mixed feelings

of expectation and apprehension he did indeed begin

to see strange signs and wonders may have

been there before and just not been noticed

while others perhaps were there in direct response

to man's need in any event they opened

a new era in human consciousness which has become

known in technical language as the age of

the UFO but which is better known to

the general public simply as the age of

the flying saucer objects whose appearance and performance

were incompatible with any known earthly phenomenon or

technology were seen in all parts of the

world they stimulated human reactions in every range

from mirth sarcasm and ridicule to amazement awe

and apprehension in the middle were those who

were simply curious and interested but not emotionally

involved both authorities and laymen in all walks

of life felt the need to express their

opinions these opinions were of course as widely

varied as the nature of the people who

expressed them the timid sought refuge in earthly

explanations even though many of the explanations were

far more fantastic and incredible than the observed

data which they purported to explain the objective

realist sought to explain everything in terms of

earthly experience and knowledge even most of the

scientists preferred to ignore the possibility that any

alien race might have achieved scientific ability somewhat

greater than our own photographs of strange objects

were taken in all parts of the country

and in fact in all parts of the

world the fact that most of them do

not show sharp and clear images has been

cited as evidence that they were unreal or

fabricated the true fact is however that in

most cases the poor quality of the photograph

was probably due to the excitement of the

photographer and his consequent lack of ordinary care

in making the exposure in any event there

are in the world today more than 10,000

known photographs of objects in the sky which

seem to defy most earthly explanation new pictures

continue to accumulate throughout the world at the

rate of 25 to 50 per week only

a few of these however are ever seen

by any but the most dedicated investigator who

was willing to spend his own time out

a great deal of suspicion and ridicule and

many outright accusations of fraud have been directed

against those who have published UFO pictures and

this fact of course greatly increases the reluctance

of those who have good pictures to make

them public most of these are still shots

they're just shots taken and this of course

is an artist drawing made from a description

by an eyewitness of the object some scientists

have made determined efforts to explain all UFOs

in terms of meteorological phenomena whether or not that

phenomena actually exists in nature here a scientist

named Philip Klaas is explaining that most if

not all UFO sightings are probably due to

spheres of incandescent plasma which are seldom if

ever observed in nature and which are difficult

to produce even under precisely controlled laboratory conditions

it is a tremendous length of to try

to explain UFO these are little balls of

plasma a couple of inches across being produced

in a bell jar an almost total vacuum

which is necessary to produce these things with

very high energy they last for usually a

fraction of a second sometimes two or three seconds

and yet Klaas's classic Corona as the concept has

come to be known attempts to explain all

UFO sightings here is a weather balloon which

has been used to explain so many UFO sightings

personally I have seen many many weather balloons I have

never yet seen a I have seen one that looked like

anything but a weather balloon there is a picnic party

in the woods that apparently has come across an

unusual sight it is attempting to get pictures

under conditions of extreme excitement the lenticular clouds

a hallucination flying Canadian geese however you notice

a peculiarity of this it seems to be a tremendous

amount of sunlight reflecting from one portion of

that as it scans detaching themselves from the main

light and moving around toward the right around the periphery of that

object as it scans the ground with a circular scanning

motion but in any event whether or not the earth man

is assisted by alien intelligence he will eventually

build the huge spaceships which will be his

permanent home as he goes sailing out in the depths

of space in search of his ultimate destiny

[01:01:32] Development of the main themes

he has slipped away much more rather rapidly

than we would like I said I would

describe a little of the process by which self contained ships

will be built some of these are already

on drawing boards in fact we have one

almost completely engineered which will be launched within

the next ten years you probably heard about

this a number of times because it's still

a relative of small capsule it is designed to

carry three astronauts to Mars not the moonshot

which will come about we hope before the

end of 1969 but within ten or twelve

years we will have one to Mars that

will orbit Mars a time or two did

you want to say something John only that

it exists I haven't our spies over there

haven't given us a complete report on what

they're actually doing yet we've heard something about

the fact that they're going to attempt to

bypass our cumbersome space efforts by going directly

to the true method of space propulsion and

space travel which we should have done many

years ago actually we got hipped on rockets

and the rocket principle has been obsolete for

more than 700 years when Genghis Khan invaded

parts of China he was met there by

the flaming fire arrows of the Chinese defenders

from their walled cities in the year 720

AD the rocket has been a military weapon

for over 700 years and we haven't improved

the basic concept a bit since that time we

have improved all of the components we've made

stronger combustion chambers we've improved slightly the shape

of the venturi and we have produced a

rowboat by throwing rocks over the stern anyone

can do this it's a well known physical

principle of reaction if you put some rocks

in a rowboat and push it out into

a lake you can propel a rowboat by

throwing rocks over the stern as long as

you've got any rocks left to throw but

it is not a concept that would be

adopted by an intelligent man if he wanted

to throw rocks out of a smaller boat

well it does work but it isn't a

very economical or efficient process and we should

have gone to a long gravitic propulsion a long

time ago and we would have if we

hadn't been so hipped up on rocketry and

if we hadn't still been laboring under the

impression that gravity can manifest itself only as

an attraction between bodies of matter rather than

as the electric field and magnetic field it

can also exhibit a repulsion between bodies of

matter just as readily as an electrical field

and magnetic field can we say that gravity

can't because we haven't yet ever seen it

do it although we do now both in

the nucleus of the atom and at intergalactic

distances we do see the repulsion of gravity

acting but up until recently we had seen

only the attraction so we postulated that gravity

could manifest itself only as an attraction forgetting

all the time that we said the same

thing about magnetism for two thousand years for

two thousand years we had only the loadstone

and we postulated that every loadstone attracted every

other loadstone and every loadstone attracted every bit

of iron so magnetism could manifest itself only

as an attraction it wasn't until recently historically

that we learned to draw copper wire and

put insulation on the copper wire and wind

it around soft iron and suddenly we discovered

to our amazement that we could produce a repulsion with

magnetism just as easily as we could an attraction and

it was just as normal a part of

the action of magnetism we haven't quite learned

how to do it with a gravitational field

and so we're still inclined to say it's

impossible but science today knows that it is

possible scientists are working toward polarization of a

gravitational field we will have gravity card wear

in the air ourselves in this country within

not more than three years from now I

don't mean that we'll have spaceships going to

the moon mars or venus in three years

using gravity propulsion but we will have hardware

in the air whether we will be ahead

of the British effort or not I don't

know but they are putting their eggs in

a different basket in hopes of sidestepping our

cumbersome rocket program and personally I hope they succeed

I mean whether they get ahead of us

or not it's time that we did go

to a more logical concept than reaction propulsion

but the questions that you see in everyone's mind

when you talk about a ship that can

go into space and never have to return

to a planet we're too accustomed to thinking

that we can only exist we think oh

what a terrible fate it would be to go

out into space and not return to this

planet we could return to it any time

we chose but after we got a little

used to space it's unlikely they would ever

choose to return to a planet we have

a television program going on called the invaders

and every time I lecture anywhere someone asked

me what I thought about this all about

so I did take occasion to watch a

few and of course it relates to some

invaders from somewhere else that are proposing to

take over this planet to make it their

home and in the first place this is

illogical in essence because no race that ever

achieved sufficient command of space to come here

from great distances away would ever be content

to live on a planet again we forget

that they can start for the other end

of the galaxy anytime they want but we

say their movements are restricted they only have

a few thousand cubic yards a piece to

move around in and so it would be

a terrible life to live in that spaceship

but those living in the spaceship look down

on us trapped on the surface of this

planet and they say oh those poor primitive

beings they're subject to cyclones tornadoes whirlwinds floods

heat waves droughts earthquakes tornadoes every single cataclysm

that nature can inflict upon them they have

to struggle to survive because they can't do

anything about it and here we live calmly

and peacefully in our spaceships we control our

temperature to a tenth of a degree exactly

as we want it we control the humidity

at all times to a tenth of our

circumstances we control every aspect of our environment

to the greatest degree and those poor beings

down there can't do any of this yet

they still talk about the weather but they

don't do much about it so I'm sure

they would feel even more pity than we

and I'm sure that no race that had

ever truly mastered space would ever consider going

down and living on a planet again any

more than we would actively consider going into

central Australia or central Brazil and living as

the aborigines do there who haven't yet achieved

the bow and arrow who are still limited

to stone axes that are 20,000 years behind

us in development even though they are within

8 hours easy jet aircraft travel from some

of our greatest centers of civilization and a

true spaceman would no longer think of the

jungles of central Australia or central Brazil and

living with the natives there so I don't

think the invaders is a very logical program from

that respect there's another illogicality I don't think they're

ever going to succeed in the first place

they haven't nearly enough life tenacity we're pretty

tough creatures down here you can shoot us

or you can tear us almost into shreds

and if you get together and put in a spare

part here and there and pretty soon we'll

be almost as good as new these poor

invaders if you even hit them in the

shoulder with a bullet they explode into a

puff of dust they don't have nearly the

life tenacity necessary to get along on this

tough old planet down here and they don't

seem to have any real particular technology available

it never seems to overcome ours somehow so

I just don't think they're going to make

it and I don't see why they should

be trying but to get back just briefly

I've already spent more minutes than I was going to

but it is a subject which people should

understand because it affects their whole life and

their whole future we're soon going to be

independent of this planet we are proposing to

send a three man space capsule to the

vicinity of Mars orbit Mars a couple of

times and return there's no plan to land

or attempt to land on that first trip

they'll just orbit a few times if they're

intelligent beings there will probably start a saucer

flap on Mars people see this thing going

around and wonder what it is and of

course authorities will explain that it's just high

flying well they don't have any Canadian geese

on Mars that I know of but they

will then come back return to Earth but

the trip will take between 14 and 18

months most of you probably heard something about

this in newspapers or magazines that is reference

to these plans that are already well underway

the thing that almost nobody tells you and

I've never seen it in print is the

fact that although the air food and water

runs out and of course it doesn't run

out any more than the air food and

water has run out on this planet in

the last 500 million years that animals have

been using it it just circulates we breathe

in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide so

the air isn't very good to breathe again

and if there wasn't things called plants on

this planet to animal life would have ceased

two million years ago at least but we

have a plant that takes in carbon dioxide

and gives off oxygen and in using the

carbon in its own growth the plant grows

and eventually becomes food for the animal and

so the cycle of life is complete these

same cycles of ecology are being built into

spacecraft they require only one thing a constant

input of energy this planet will get its

energy from the sun just as this planet

does the whole point being that when that

three astronaut capsule comes back from mars 14 or

18 months later depending on when it's launched I'm sure

the astronauts will have an advanced case of

claustrophobia better known as cabin fever they may

not even be speaking to each other we

hope they won't cut each other's throats before

they get back they won't like for that

now when you take a small capsule and

you multiply it by a few thousand times

till you get a spaceship of the size

of the queen mary say for instance which

we could easily build today even with the

technology we now have we could not build

it on earth we would have to build

it in a parking orbit but all of

our space technology is oriented in that direction

you'll notice the significance on this film ten

years before the first satellite went into orbit

there are already plans put on film for

rendezvous for docking for refueling one of these things

in space today we have done all those

things we have demonstrated we can put one

piece of mechanism into orbit and approach it

with another actually mechanically connected to at that

point an astronaut gets out in a space

suit with tools in his hands showing that

he could tighten bolts or do welding or

whatever was necessary in actually building those parts

together in space so we have demonstrated the

ability to build a spaceship of any size

we choose in a parking orbit doesn't require

any energy once you put it up there

it'll just go on orbiting from then on

you bring up sometime later you bring up

another piece and attach it and then you

bring up the next piece and attach it

and so on it would be an expensive

process at our present level of space development

we could build a 10,000 ton spaceship in

orbit would be very costly it would cost

probably almost as much as six months of

the Vietnam War but if we could find

some way to liquidate that spaceship in orbit

we could populate it with 100 people we

could then bring up fuel and what food

is necessary to keep the ecological cycle going

we could launch that ship from this earth

and it would never have to return it

would go on generation after generation as a

center of its own civilization its own population

its own people it would become a planetoid

of its own completely independent of this planet

or any other there are many problems that

will come to your mind and say I

don't have the time to answer them all

they have all been considered the answers to

all of them are known or being actively

pursued we know that it is not now

a question of inspiration only of perspiration so

we know that we can solve these problems

and within the next generation we will get

here and nobody will spend that much time

just coming to visit this earth they forget

that the galaxy probably teems in all parts

of it with billions upon billions of such

tremendous spaceships that have been built by other

intelligent races anywhere from a few thousand to

several millions of years ago and that these

are now the homes you don't have to

look through a telescope and see a point

and maybe those planets have life that life

can exist in any part of the galaxy

if it isn't beyond a certain size and

doesn't give off light of its own you

won't see it through a telescope if it's

more than 900 or 1000 miles away or

if it's moving fairly rapidly you won't get

a focus on it on a telescope so

when they say we'll never be visited they

forget that the near spaceship may right now

be 900 miles away in the shadow of

this planet and there may be a thousand

spaceships between here and alpha centauri all populated

they may or may not have any interest

in us the spaceship that comes into the

vicinity of this planet was probably not built

for the purpose of visiting this planet the

people didn't get into it for the purpose

of visiting this planet they live in that

spaceship its arrival in the vicinity of this

planet is only one minor incident in the

lives of whatever beings happened to be aboard

at the time and if they see that

this planet is obviously occupied and is beginning

to develop the rudiments of technology they might

become interested enough to dip in and take

a little look having taken a look they

might feel that they might be able to

assist us a little bit in solving some

of our problems they might or might not

be interested enough to attempt a landing or

to attempt communication but we can be and

have been observed as far back as the

written history of man goes there have been

constant references in every language in which history

is written of these observations it's only been

our own tremendous ego up to the present

time that has prevented us from accepting this

fact as a race there have always been

certain people who accepted it history again as

far back as written has been full of

people that have seen these landings have experienced

communication and so forth but it was only accepted

by them and a few of their immediate

friends who were present at the time because

the ego of the person who has not

seen is not going to permit him to

accept that which someone else has seen but

now we have rapid enough communication so that

this knowledge is spread around and we are

reaching finally a point in our development where

we can accept it we're reaching a point

where we have to accept it because we're

about to do the same thing ourselves thank

you please be seated remain for a few

minutes until the officers get back there the

photographer will take pictures I want to thank

Dr. Fry on behalf of our unit here for a wonderful

informative and thought provoking talk as well as a most

interesting picture history of flight and so right

now will all the officers return to the rear

of the building and have our picture and then

I'll come back here we have the picture

of intermission and refreshments followed by the second

part of the program a drawing for a

door prize questions and answers and the conclusion

thank you please be seated in just a

few minutes first question here is why not

speed up man space vehicles so that he

can travel in much shorter time instead of

18 months why not 18 days and so

forth the problem is that our technology is

not yet capable of doing this we undoubtedly

will in the not too distant future but

as long as we're using rockets there is

a maximum speed that we can employ in

our present technology and so we'll have to

wait a generation or two for faster speeds

now it is remarkable how much we have

increased the speed at which man can travel

in the last 60 years 60 years ago

the end of average automobile had one or

two cylinders and traveled at 15 or 20

miles per hour and 30 miles per hour

is considered a very high speed and some

people complained about it being against the laws

of God for man to hurtle through the

air at the inconceivable speed of 30 miles

per hour today we launch vehicles toward Mars

and Venus and the moon at speeds in

excess of 30,000 miles per hour so in

60 years we have increased the top speed

at which man can travel by a factor

of more than 1,000 times in 60 years

there is no evidence whatever that that curve

of increase will flatten out at any point

in the future on the contrary every evidence

is that the curve will steep and even

more because it always has it means that

within the next 60 years we can look

forward confidently to achieving speeds of at least

60 million miles per hour and if you

think 60 million miles per hour is a

little startling it isn't nearly as startling to

you as a proposed speed of 30,000 miles

per hour would have been to your great

grandfather or your great grandmother in fact she

wouldn't have considered for a moment she would

just thank you and that this is singular

not plural I have had contact with only

one individual who was not born on this

planet that individual is still around in fact

for the last four years he has been

a fairly respected citizen of this country although

he doesn't spend too much time here he's

usually in some part of Asia wherever a

crisis is brewing he's usually there he has

acquired a perfectly normal appearing in this country

if you check up on the county in

which the certificate is drawn you'll find there

a duly filed duplicate of that certificate if

you inquire around in the vicinity you'll find

a few people who remember the youth of

this individual none of them have ever met

him in their lives but they remember him

I mean the memory has been implanted in

their mind to give him a cover that

couldn't be broken by any degree of investigation

he has an unbreakable cover it took more than four years it was

estimated first it would take four years to overcome the differences

between his environment and ours it actually took

a little closer to five years but it

has been accomplished it was accomplished more than

four years ago and during that time he

has taken up residence here he is now

indistinguishable from our own citizens the last time

I saw him I flew in a United

Airlines plane with him from Medford Oregon to

Sacramento California he was then on his way

to a conference with three members of the

governing body of the state of California among

whom one of them was a gentleman named

Ronald Reagan whom I had the good fortune

to be acquainted with sometime before he went

into politics but he had I don't think

Ronnie knows his origin although he does know

him fairly well now he was proposing to

go from there and already had plane tickets

in his pocket to go from there to

New Delhi India he expected to be there

about eight days from there he proposed to

go to Beijing and China where he expected

to be for about two weeks and he

was going from there to Moscow where he

expected to be for about two months this

was a year ago last September I don't know

where he is now since there are constant

succession of crises in some part of Europe

or Asia he probably hasn't returned here yet

the only task he has there is that

of defusing these crises or assisting in defusing

the crises this is done not by walking

up to Mao for instance saying look Mao

I'm a space man so you better listen

to what I say the impact on the

mind and on the decision can be done

from a distance he doesn't have to be

actually facing the individual at all but he

can modulate to a certain extent that individual's

thoughts and implant within that mind the thoughts

that need to be implanted to bring reason

and logic to bear on the situation and

usually the individuals react in the proper manner

I think probably that the fact that this

civilization still exists can be attributed to the

existence of Alana and a few other similar

beings that have been here for some years

now most scientists and most philosophers of the

1950s early 1950s were very pessimistic about they

thought that this civilization was doomed and few

of them expected that it would last as

long as 1960 most of scientists and philosophers

of the area about 1954 predicted that this

civilization would go up in smoke about 1958 or

1959 do you think the space people will

contact us en mass or on a worldwide scale

in our own lifetime if so how do

you think they will do it I have

no knowledge on this I don't know why

space people should contact us en mass usually

the question is when will we all know

that they exist the answer to that is

everyone that's prepared to accept the possibility they

exist already has ample evidence before him to

make that assumption and so those that are

prepared to make it have already made it

the people who haven't made it are only

people still so tremendous that they can't accept

the possibility of any being that might be

superior in knowledge or intelligence to them and

they would never accept it regardless of the

amount of evidence available a mass landing here

I think would occur only as a result of a

tremendous crisis here as a result of a worldwide nuclear

war or something of the sort where people had to

be taken off the planet then there might

be a mass landing I think that we

will other people have asked when will we

be as a planet be invited to join

the galactic confederation and the answer to that

is we'll get the invitation just as soon

as we have demonstrated the ability to get

along with ourselves we can't be expected to

get an invitation to join a galactic confederation

when we haven't yet displayed any ability with

ourselves on this planet I think as soon

as we do we will receive that invitation

did the president travel in a blue colored

spaceship or was it blue inside it now

this one what does the color blue mean

to space people there's a lot of this question

that I'm not aware of president Eisenhower presumably

did uh have a contact the operator of a

spacecraft which was set down at Edwards Air Force Base

some years back for a period of three days

it's something that I did research and it left no doubt

in my mind that the event actually occurred we had

a few members of understanding working at Edwards Air Force

Base at the time an understanding member was in

Palm Springs and knew the lady who owned the

motel at which the presidential party presumably stayed

and he did come into the motel that

I never did that he came from the

airport to the motel a black limousine came

also with them they took the bags out

took them into the motel and I got

into the limousine took off and didn't come

back until it was time to pick up Mamie

three days later there was a lot of

this evidence there was nothing that was positive

proof of anything there was a tremendous amount

of evidence all of which pointed in the

direction of this happening but I didn't get

any evidence that indicated that the ship was

blue or what color it was either outside

or inside so

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this apparently is information that somebody else had

or put forth about the color of the

ship and so I'm not sure I mean

we'd have to contact the both in order to find

out what the color meant I don't think

there's any question that the contact did occur

I have in my memoirs three letters from

Eisenhower while he was president and while these didn't

give a great deal of specific information they

did indicate a tremendous degree of interest and

he was always very interested in understanding in

fact understanding has the honor of being the

originator of the people program which Eisenhower originated

in the White House he originated that as a direct

result of receiving and reading material that we

had sent him he gathered some of his

friends together in the White House and gave

a little speech to them in which he

said the most important thing in the world

today is understanding it's a thing that the

world needs more than anything else and it's

something that we should do something about and

he proceeded to give this little speech which

is a word for word reading of our founding

material and if you get the little book

on people to people it tells of its

organization I don't know whether you can still

get the book or not we got the

copy some years ago the material he used

was a word for word quotation from our

material which he had acknowledged by personal letter

about a week before that and the first

year of the people to people program they

used the same symbol that we had used

in understanding this annoyed a lot of people because

they said well gee he's plagiarizing why doesn't

he call us in and let us carry

the ball and give us some money and

let us start the people to people program

why or why he didn't and various angles

of metaphysics and he felt that this might

tend to keep some people from joining this

group or becoming interested he thought the most

important thing and quite correctly was person to

person contacts throughout the world and so he

took that portion of our concepts that portion

of our ideas bodily out and used himself

with his own group but his founding speech

was taken directly from our material if you

read his acceptance speech on his second inauguration

the second inaugural speech and we reprinted verbatim

part of this speech in our magazine because it

was a direct quotation from our material he

said my efforts my primary efforts during this

second term will be devoted principally to the

bringing about of a greater degree of understanding

between all the peoples of the earth beside

which everything else fades into insignificance that is a

direct quotation from his inaugural speech and it's

also a direct quotation from the understanding founding

material which he quoted verbatim and during the

next three years every talk he gave in

public the word understanding was emphasized very strongly

in every single speech no matter what it

was about I have a whole series of

clippings of these speeches every time the newspaper

came out with the statement that Eisenhower had

given the speech I immediately bought the paper

and looked and thought well how did he

get understanding in at this time and it

was in there every time even in one

case where he gave a short speech at

the opening of a new power plant down

in Tennessee on the TVA Tennessee Valley Authority

plant he was just giving a little speech

on the opening of his plant and he

got it in very prominently the necessity for

understanding in on that speech so understanding is

really accomplished a lot more than most of its

members realize has anything new or conclusive been

found regarding the Socorro New Mexico landing I

don't know what more new or conclusive could

be found the device landed there it left

holes in the ground we visited the area

personally and took motion pictures I was speaking

of the largest motion picture library we have

it contains pictures of these holes in the

ground the area of the Socorro landing and

a picture of the town from the spot

and the scenery round about the police officer

left no doubt in the minds of other

people who talked with him that this did

actually occur he had no reason for making

this up and the flash was seen by

the people and the approach was seen by

other people there's no real substantial question that

occurred the only thing then is so what

I mean what was the significance what was

it landed there for and so forth and

I don't think that this has ever been

discovered but the fact that it did occur

I think was accepted by almost everyone from

the beginning so there isn't much of a

group of people living and traveling in space

while patrolling the universe it is interesting you

mentioned the probability of space travel by people

of other planets on extended basis such as

being suggested by this program yes I think

it is a fact that lends itself to

recognition by almost any person who works deeply

in space the fact that space is not

just an avenue a way of getting from

one planet to another it is an environment

in itself and it is an environment with

much greater possibilities and can be found on

the surface of one planet we hear a lot

about how we will all be standing on

each other's shoulders in a couple more generations

because of the population explosion and how terrible

this will be well of course there's many

answers to this we can stop exploding the

population any time we decide to do it

but we're also forgetting the fact that there

are a million million times as much airy

in space as there is on the surface

of all of the planets in the galaxy

so when we begin to move in space

we won't really be crowded for space there

will be plenty of it all of I

think this is all the questions we have

here how many flying saucers have you seen

well I'm not sure that I've seen any

flying saucers it depends on how you define

the term and of course everyone defines it

a little bit differently I have seen perhaps four

or five objects in the skies it would

be difficult to explain in terms of earthly

technology and it's a little more difficult for me to

explain them in terms of technology because I

know that technology too well I know what

a plane can look like and what a

plane can do in the air I know

what a weather balloon looks like and can

do in the air I know for instance

the fact that if you observe a glowing

object hurtling through the sky and you observe

it for more than six seconds it is

not a meteorite because meteorites aren't visible that

long people say oh I've seen many cases

reported in newspapers where a person described a light

flashing through the sky and he observed it

for 25 or 30 seconds and the reporter

says oh well it was probably a meteorite

well this is about as ridiculous a thing

as a person can say the average meteorite

is in sight for less than a second

but some of them will be visible for

two or three or four seconds they come

into this atmosphere at a minimum speed of

nine miles per second from that up to

27 or 50 miles per second depending on

their original trajectory and any object that is

seen for more than five or six seconds

in the sky is not a meteorite if

it's seen for more than ten seconds it

isn't re-entering space junk either so the more

you know about the way things can appear

the more means you have of proving that

an object is not any of these it

doesn't give you any direct proof as to

what it is but I have seen at

least on four or five occasions things in

the sky that would be very difficult to

explain this in terms of earthly technology it

doesn't mean impossible but very difficult I've only

seen one on the ground that could be

approached and touched that is where the actual

proof was at hand I was asked to

say a little bit about the future of

civilization here the growth of society here we

still have tremendous problems here that we haven't

solved and they threaten the very existence of

civilization on this planet it's still touch and

go whether this civilization can really survive or

not scientists have said oh well an advanced

technology can't exist for more than a few

decades anywhere therefore there probably aren't very many

advanced technologies in the galaxy because they would

start over such tremendous periods of time and

they end up so quickly that an advanced

civilization probably can't exist more than a few

decades before it destroys itself well we're not

sure of that yet we know that we're

in a position where we're constantly in danger

of total destruction by an agency which we

ourselves have created and it poses a little

sort of ridiculous problem we have created a

frankenstein that now threatens to destroy us it

has become possibly the master instead of the

servant and it comes about simply because we

haven't yet established either the social science or

the spiritual science as sciences we still treat

them as arts we have established the material

science as a science and that is why

it progresses about five times as fast as

either the social or spiritual sciences we made

it a science by formulating the area of

mutual agreement in that area that is we

had a the top most men in the

physical science and physics began to get together

all over the world in groups to determine

the area of mutual agreement that is to

determine and to document those concepts with which

everyone agreed however many or few they might

be we came out finally with a list

of rules methods of procedure natural laws and

so forth which the the scientist said with

these we all agree we find these to

be self evident and we accept these all

the result is that you can go into

any country in the world today you can

go into Moscow you can go into North

Vietnam or into Cuba or anywhere else and

buy a textbook on physics these books are

written by scientists of every race creed color

and political ideology and yet you will find

within every one of these books the same

precise statements the same precise rules or methods

of procedure that are accepted by every scientist

in the world regardless of his race creed

color or political ideology they are the foundation

that makes that a science and is a

foundation from which you can proceed into the

unknown as soon as we begin to do

this we begin to formulate new concepts from

the observation of new data or new phenomena

disagreements immediately begin to occur that is two

scientists can look at the same phenomena and

one scientist will say well I think that

means this and the other scientist says no

I think you're wrong I think it means

something else but they are both working from

the same area of mutual agreement which means

that they can formulate specific tests which will

demonstrate the relative merits of these two theories

or more and because these scientists all subscribe

to the basis on which those tests were

founded they are all equally bound by the

results of the test and must accept those

results at least until still better theories or

better tests are created the result is there

has never been a war or even a

major disagreement in the scientific field there's never

been a war that started over a disagreement

in the physical science all wars start over

disagreements in either the social or the spiritual

science we've never had a war over disagreement

in the material or physical science because it is

a science and there are always ways to

determine the relative merits of the two or

more theories and they are results that must

be accepted by the people because they are

both agreed in the social or spiritual science

they are still treated as arts we have

men who postulate their idea of man's approach

and attitude toward his fellow man what these

should be and whenever a man creates such

a theory if that theory is published he

will have followers they may be very few

they may be quite a large number or

whole nations may subscribe to this concept of

one individual almost none of these have ever

been 100% correct some of them may be

fairly successful some of them may be more

successful some of them may be total failures

some of them may lead whole nations into

horrible destruction and loss and yet this will

still not bring about any greater knowledge on

the social science because these were just experiments

they were never created from any basis of

mutual agreement or understanding it's one of the

tasks that understanding has undertaken to bring about

a worldwide conference not for the purpose of

deciding what man should think but only for

the purpose of finding out what he does

think what are the areas of mutual agreement

in the social science with what postulates does

everyone agree for the condition of the world

today we would think that there were none

and say well there's disagreement but this is

not true at all I have traveled in

many parts of the world I've met people

of practically every race every color every creed

every ideology every economic position and you find

it is amazing how much these people are

alike all other people they have the same

hopes the same needs the same desires the

same fears it's obvious that the area of

mutual agreement is far greater than charted and

documented then the points of disagreement would fade

into insignificance in comparison because the area of

mutual agreement would be so much larger but

it has never been done whenever we have

a conference between nations today we have a

conference to discuss things on which we disagree

and the two opponents proceed at arm's length

and immediately each one tries to persuade or

coerce the other to come over the conference

is always at arm's length each one is

being careful that he isn't sold a bill

of goods that he doesn't subscribe to the

other person's belief because he's got to maintain

his own if you could have a worldwide

conference not designed to determine what people should

think at all but only what they do

think about various postulates once they realize that

this was true that there was such a

mutual enterprise would probably do more than anything

has done for centuries to bring the people

of the world together it is one of

the things that we're proposing to I didn't

mean to make a sermon as a result

of that one question but we are in

the future going to determine the areas of

social agreement and spiritual agreement we will then

be sciences in which we can proceed in

a scientific manner about 90% of all of

our problems and evils will disappear at that

point because at least 90% of them are

based on those problems it will make a

big difference once we can cease to spend

60 to 80% of our total human effort

in devising and building means to destroy each

other and it's amazing how fast our standard

of living can improve we can't even dream

of the type of living that we will

have the type of things that we can

have for our use for our comfort for

our education and entertainment we now have an

economy in which almost 80% of all human

effort is devoted either to producing means of

destroying our fellow man or producing means to

prevent our fellow man from destroying us almost

80% of it if you check it carefully

enough of the total human effort in this

country today is devoted to one of these

two things we could have five times the

contribution consumer goods in this country we have

now with the same effort that we are

now producing putting out and we will have

as soon as we solve these problems I

think probably it's 1130 maybe we shouldn't call

this I will be back sooner later we

can go on from there thank you thank

you Dr. Fry for coming all this way

from Merlin Oregon I think all of us

have been inspired and interested and have really

achieved something here from the evaluation you have

given the talk you gave and the picture

you showed us here I think we are all

richer for the experience of hearing you and

seeing the picture you showed us we hope

to have you here again many many times

thank you Dan for coming down thank you

all wonderful people for coming here we want

to wish you a very happy Thanksgiving Merry

Christmas and a happy New Year and we'll

see you again in January the 4th Saturday

when Chan Thomas a scientist will speak to us

here on theoretical problems in space which he

has been invited by an air force to

speak on this particular subject he's a wonderful

speaker he talked to us on ESP several

months ago thank you very much good night