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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

following is a speech given by Rex Duda at the Spiritual Unity of Nations on May 9th 1968 subject the Esoteric Significance of Flying Saucers it is my privilege to introduce Reg Dutta B A F Z S Reg Dutta had an expansion of consciousness in 1953 we have all had such initiatory experiences of one type or another or we would not be here today but Rex Dutta's already expanded consciousness was expanded still further when he came into direct contact with a flying saucer. He will tell you about this experience. Since that time in 1953,

He has been a direct contact with versucht The wam could tell gro promo serious on this experience since that time in 1953 he has been a direct director of the Flying Saucer Review, and his experience also taught him to delve deeply into the ancient wisdom, and he has done this since that time, mainly with the Theosophical Society. My friends, I introduce to you Rex Dutter. Well, Mr. Chairman, friends, two points of view. First, anything I say is merely a personal point of view.

It doesn't implicate any organization, particularly the TS. Secondly, I thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for your very kind introduction. A little overwhelming. I assure you, please don't misunderstand it. All I did was come into the saucer field, if you like, in 1953 by reading a book, and since have been extremely interested in the subject, but beyond that, I don't go. Now, before the talk, which is on the esoteric significance of saucers, as I understand, our friends at the BBC are here, and as there was this very good program,

last night, for an hour and a quarter on BBC TV, you might perhaps like a very short summary of it, and I hope our friends at the BBC will not be too cross if I make a comment or two on the program. Basically, it was a very good one. Basically, it was very fair. Basically, it intended to show the people who see saucers, rather than the theories about them. And it was...

It was done by a professional hypnotist, and it so often happens in Earth life, if one's a professional anything or other, whatever it might be, one tends to look at it from that point of view, and it sometimes happens that that point of view is a little too narrow. It can be. It can happen to anybody, the saucer man included. They showed, for example, photographs. Mrs. Oldfield, a lady who was flying from London to Blackpool, took a photograph through the window of the aircraft, and the BBC then, they say afterwards, reproduced it and proved

to their own satisfaction that all she saw was the tail fin of the aeroplane. But please, Mr. BBC, do be honest. Mrs. Oldfield said she saw that thing through the window with her eyes, i.e., she was not looking through the curved bit at the corner where your camera was, where it comes through the curved bit, distorts the fin, retreats. The fin disappears. This frankly is cheating, sir. Also her husband simultaneously saw it visually, both with eyes looking through the center

of the porthole. Then she sent him to get the camera while she was still looking at it. Then he came back, could still see it. Then they photographed it. And you can't cheat that into just a viewpoint of a camera through the curved end of a porthole. Similarly, there are other things. There are other things. There are other things.

There are other things. There are other things. There are other things. There are other things. There are other things. There are other things. There are other things. There are other things.

There are other things. They showed us a sighting, a very good one in America of Zorocco, a police patrol man hears an explosion, goes down there in time to see the saucer rising, and goes away. The professional hypnotist is pleased to think that this policeman, with a good record, is a hypnotic subject and was hallucinating himself. Would you please note, Mr. BBC, first the scorch marks on the ground. Which were found by the second policeman. Second, the additional policeman also saw the saucer going away.

Was he hallucinated too? Three, the landing marks which are still there and which your own film showed. Was that hallucination and hypnotic subject too? These sort of cheats, Mr. BBC, are the treatment which is just not fair. I'd continue with this all day. I'm going to go through. Thank you very much. And if you want details, I'll go through them, but frankly, it's not worth it.

They also showed a very fine BOAC pilot, Captain Hard, who watched the saucers for 20 minutes with his co-pilot, his crew, the passengers, and so on. And the feeling that Captain Hard brought out, the hypnotist was trying to say, were you afraid of them, saucers? And Captain Hard and his crew. And the assistant. And the assistant. And the assistant.

And the stewardess who came on TV said, no, it was friendly. We felt a sense of loss when they had gone. And that was the keynote all the way through. The policeman of Sirocco, the hypnotist, was trying to say, were you afraid? And he said, yes, of the flames. And he said, are you afraid? He said, no, of the flames which were coming up. I waited until the flames finished before I went.

Of the saucer, I was not afraid. And this sense of loss. When they have gone, I think, was the keynote of Captain Hard. He had a lovely face, lovely voice. So had the stewardess. And I feel their sincerity and honesty came through. And all the people interviewed had this note of love, non-fear, non-separativeness, a positive factor.

And I'm afraid the hypnotist kept harping on fear. And it ended on a keynote which I'd like. Again, to draw your attention to, it's a very dangerous thing to make prophecies, but it's as well to be awake. That program ended with the suggestion that people who see saucers tend to be hypnotic subjects. Now, and this was the key line right at the end, and perhaps it was missed. To be hypnotized, you need a hypnotist. And the implication left at the end, not stated explicitly, but left at the end,

was that you need a hypnotist. And that's the key line. And the implication left at the end, not stated explicitly, but left at the end, positive can be developed later if we're not careful, is that somebody hypnotized these people. And that somebody was a saucer, or the beings in the saucer. No, but this danger of planting fear in humanity's mind of the unknown is one that we've had since the day humanity came. And if you look at the saucer field, the rhythm is this.

In 1947, expression flying saucers is born. For seven years, a rather interesting number, seven, till 54, round the planet we talked of saucers. Round the planet, whether you were Chinese, American, English, Dutch, Greek, or Turkish, all your newspapers, all your governments talked of saucers, and that was fine. Then came a censorship. Sorry about the word, but if you look through the newspapers of the world, you will find this is true, and this is an example. academic exercise anybody can do it's quite easily repeatable by anybody 1954 no mention of sources

whether it's a chinese press or an american or russian interesting combination before that plenty this period of silence lasted then came another period of ridicule if you saw a saucer if you believed in sources you were a crank then came the period of conventional explanations it was a balloon after we put up the first satellite it was a satellite it was temperature inversion it was high flying geese it was some darn thing or other it was the tail fin of this plane seen through the corner any conventional explanation then last of all came the period of flat denial and about every six months you have the united states air force getting up and saying they don't and while they kept on saying they don't exist hundreds upon thousands of people kept seeing

trained personnel people in the air people on ground some of the sightings tonight i don't need to go into what we call the nuts and bolts approach proving the reality though this must first be done before we can examine the esoteric significance but the nuts and bolts approach would is easily done for example you get an aircraft flying in the air the pilot sees it and locks on with his radar that's visual and radar simultaneously ground control see it visually and ground radar picks it up so you've got a four-fold check and there are many such instances if you want i can give you these so my friends let's get on to the subject the esoteric significance what are sources for why are they here

if the reality is agreed how long have they been here and this was the first shock in investigation that i found others may have been prepared for it i was quite happy to scratch around with radar films landing reports and like many people i thought life began more or less with cricket and the public school you know before that it was some barbarian somewhere and some scholars are saying about the origin of this great mystery or perhaps they all seem to be going back to the early rule of civilization whereas they're simply going back now to the dates of the aegis and sources are mentioned in the bible

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all right sources are mentioned in the vedas the hindu vedas whatever the date of the vedas they're certainly at least 5000 bc so that's 7 000 years if you want to argue about that date sources were mentioned by the pharaohs of egypt all right sources have been here since the pharaohs of egypt why haven't they done the sensible practical thing like landing in hyde park shooting up a few women there and then flying off to his father's home and the buffalo land there and there at this moment shooting up a few grenadier guards and having tea with the queen. I mean, that's the proper thing to do, isn't it? Then you'd understand them.

And then if they go on and show us how to make a bigger gun and shoot somebody else up better, well, then we give them a, you know, they're fine, we all clap. Instead of that, they fool around. They've been here for thousands of years. They haven't yet landed in Hyde Park in force. Why? Therefore, they don't exist.

But then the down things keep appearing on radar. One of the things last night on this film, it showed that there was a very nice man who'd filmed the saucer through his car. Then you get this tame scientist hanging models outside a similar car, photographing it with a similar camera and proving that you could more or less fake. And you were left with that.

Except they had the decency to go on and show the exact same thing. Experiment in Norway, 1954. The Norwegian government wanted to photograph an eclipse of the sun. It sent up three separate aircraft, specially equipped, 50 scientists aboard, hand-picked equipment, no glass in the porthole

so that you wouldn't get refraction of light, all this sort of thing. They photographed the eclipse of the sun. They're descending. They're at 10,000 feet. And suddenly, all three separate aircraft see these two flying saucers. The chief cameraman,

hurriedly unpacks his equipment and takes a 10-second color film of saucers. Now, can you honor, which was shown last night on TV, and thank you very much for that, Mr. BBC, it was really well done. But can you honestly imagine the chief cameraman on the spur of the moment,

in the presence of 49 scientific witnesses, flying at 10,000 feet, faking a color film? You see, and the saucers were there, metallic, revolving, two of them. So, we get back to these questions, why don't the darn things land in Hyde Park? And then you'll get stories,

at least I got stories, as the change in consciousness the chairman referred to was, if you like, I was a businessman, or still though I'm supposed to be, and changed to a theosophist. I couldn't understand it with a nuts and bolts,

mind, why the saucers wouldn't land. I couldn't understand why if there was intelligence in these things, the maneuverability they had, the clear pattern they showed, why there wasn't contact.

So I started looking for contacts. People, earth people, who have had contact with saucers. And I found, to my intense surprise, that there are over 3,000 known, known contacts. Known contacts. Because it's my personal belief

that only the failures and the martyrs are known. 3,000. Well if, Mr. Chairman and friends, you don't even know the names of these people, let alone you haven't read their stories, and if you've dismissed it, in the name of truth, what are you acting in except ignorance and prejudice?

I started investigating these in the same sort of way one might do a market research before putting a product out. It's no good seeing one man, or two, at least not sufficient good seeing one or two. And many people here will know three or four names. But there were 3,000. I personally met,

personally wrote to, or personally read the stories of 50. 50 earthlings who say they have been for a ride in a saucer, or had a contact with saucers. Well, it's entirely your privilege to think that I'm hallucinated, gullible, etc. But you would do perhaps better

to do the investigation yourself and see the reality. And each time the standard questions were asked by the earthlings, the, to the saucer people they said, why me? I'm nobody. Why don't you go to the prime minister?

Why don't you go to the government scientist, somebody who counts? And that was a standard question. And the other question was, where does the saucer come from? Now, those two questions, and why don't they land at Hyde Park, those, that triple approach

is the one that brought me to a belief in saucers, if that's the word, a knowledge of saucers, if that's the word. At any rate, a totally different viewpoint. And I couldn't answer it with nuts and bolts.

I had to go beyond the five senses. And I think everybody in this room has done that, otherwise you wouldn't be here. You'd be at the local bingo hall or something like that. So, what was the essential common point? In that sense of market research, I wanted to know what was the factor

in the contactee, in the earthling, why was that one picked and not the prime minister or the president or the archbishop or the caliph or the great temple priest

or anybody else you like, or the commissar, I don't mind, anything. What was the quality? Would you like to guess, ladies and gentlemen, anybody tell me, what was the common factor

in these 50 earthlings? There were men, there were women, there were old, there were young, there were so-called educated, there were so-called simple people, Polypenesian islands,

as well as England, as well as anywhere else. Do you know the common factor I think I found? Would you like to guess? Evolved souls, yes, but what was the manifesting quality? What?

Yes, but how does love manifest? It's a word we use and throw about. Open mind, no. Many of them had never even heard of sources. What? What? Yes, we've had this. What?

Humility. Humility. You see, it's the last thing we come to. And when we look at it, humility, gentleness it was, was my word for it, and yet this is the essential quality of a spiritual being.

It's the most difficult, I think. It's the thing that comes last. And then the point was, why does it come last? It can only come, true humility, not the pretend stuff, you know, when you're not separate from, when you're not above looking down,

when you're not on the within and the other chaps without. There really is this flow and this oneness. And it doesn't matter whether it's the Buddhas, the Christ, the Zoroasters, the Troth, the Hermes, the Osiris, it doesn't matter who.

It doesn't matter if it's Narayama, the great god of the Atlanteans 40 hundreds of thousands of years ago, 40 hundreds of thousands of years ago. It doesn't matter. This quality of gentleness. And that was a striking thing. And the man and the woman and the child

who has gentleness in this physical world today doesn't usually become the chap with the big medals. At least I don't think so. And that was my first shock. And then what was the sort of differentiation in this gentleness? Why was he gentle and he full of medals? This chap has all the newspaper publicity.

This chap has got a famous name. This fellow's never known. You take the allegory, this is a Christian country by and large. You take the story of Jesus, whether it's true or not, I don't want to go into that. But he was born in the local salt mines.

If you were in Rome at the time, Imperial Rome, you'd never heard of Judea. You had to look in a map to find it. If he were the son of God, why wasn't he born Caesar in Rome? Presumably could have been done. And then next minute,

you'd have had the legions round your neck and look, chum, at 1105, you're a Christian or else. Well, that wouldn't do any good. Why wasn't the Buddha born on the peacock throne at Delhi? All he had was a begging bowl. Muhammad, Prophet Muhammad, he didn't even have a camel.

Later came all the great big cathedrals and mosques and everything else and temples. But the great beings themselves had nothing except gentleness. It was a shattering thought. And then I began coming back to this Hyde Park business. Supposing they landed in Hyde Park, what good would it do?

If, again, coming back to, say, Jesus, I mention him only because we're in England. If this were talk in India, in Delhi, it would be the Lord Krishna the Beloved. If it were in Damascus, it would be Allah the Compassionate. To me, there's a oneness of life, and these beings are all of the one oneness.

But that's a personal view, which one need not accept. The thing is, what good would it do if the Christ Consciousness materialized now and sat on this platform? If there is truth in the Christ Consciousness, presumably there's nothing on earth which would prevent it materializing now.

And if it has this love and compassion which I believe the great beings have to help humanity, why not do it? Is this not the same as asking the sources to land in Hyde Park? And then what is it they want us to learn? This expansion of consciousness is a word we throw about.

Love is a word we throw about. We need to throw them about because we've got to learn from them. But what is it that we've got to learn? How do we become gentle? Now, it was these questions, ladies and gentlemen, that, if you like, changed my viewpoint to life. And don't...

not these pretending any more than that, looking for it, looking for beyond the five senses. And then I began to sort of learn to spell this word spiritual, for example, which was before that rather unfashionable. And I can only give it to you as I find it. As I say, it's only a personal viewpoint.

Learning... I did history amongst ourselves and other things at university, so I take that line of approach. Looking at a broad view, I began looking at the story of mankind on this planet. Well, I believe in Atlantis. I believe in Lemuria.

I believe in these evolutionary great arcs of growth. And it is said that there are sort of seven steps. I don't... Would you accept this just as a fairy tale, just as a story? I don't know. Can you hear me? I don't want to keep bending down to this thing.

Fine. If you're... Here you've got spirit. Here you've got matter. Actually, I don't believe the two are separate. There's a oneness. I don't believe a cockroach is separate from an archangel. There's a oneness.

I don't believe this little village, planet Earth, is separate from a star a hundred million years ago or a hundred million years hence. There's a oneness. All is one. But take spirit, an involutionary arc downwards into matter, an evolutionary arc back into spirit.

And it is said, first root race, these seven steps, where coming down from spirit, first differentiation, first veiling towards matter, you get the first sense all over you, sense of touch. Second sense,

coming down a little bit further, the second differentiation, a little more detailed sense of hearing, which you can only localize here rather than elsewhere. Third root race, tremendous turning point in man's history, where spirit and matter begin to meet, where man first gets a physical body.

Time of Lemuria, the land under the Pacific, some 18 millions of years ago. In the Christian allegory, the fall of man, if you like. I don't want to go into local politics. And man gets his first, his third quality, that of sight,

spirit and matter. Up to now, perhaps he's been on rails, now he has his free will, he can fall. And the struggle, the age-old one we know, of spirit and matter. Fourth root race, Atlantis, man is densifying down, this tall, loose, incorrect body of the Lemurians

in the Atlanteans is tightened down to about eight, ten feet. And the fourth sense, that of taste. Then the fifth root race, to which you and I and the rest of us on this planet perhaps belong, where we've got our fifth sense, that of mind,

sorry, fifth sense, that of taste, and we're developing and showing this fifth quality, which is mind. We're as far away from spirit as it's almost possible to go. In fact, the new god we worship, called Zion,

denies the very existence of spirit. But humanity is refusing to do this. It is turning. We call it, in our jargon, the turning point. And millions of us are striving, yearning, searching for something more.

We're coming up this return arc, as distinct from the downward. Our sixth sense, our seventh sense, sixth root race, seventh root race, and back here. And this one is now different facets. This downward arc, when the drive out into matter,

which was necessary to form a center, to form this physical body, from which later we can radiate, down here in separateness and selfishness, here in unity, and therefore in love. Here we take, here we give. Now, if this very story is acceptable to you,

it was to me, it gives an explanation of why, for example, the sources don't land in Hyde Park. Why the Atlantean god, Narayama, four millennia ago, why Osiris, why Troth, why Hermes, why Zoroaster,

why Buddha, why Jesus, why Muhammad, why all this golden thread of teachers didn't land, or didn't arrange to be born Caesar in Rome. How can you force a man to change from hate to love, from selfishness to selflessness, from taking to giving?

If you're a Christian, for 2,000 years you've been learning to love your neighbor. If you're a Muslim, for a long period you've been trying to show the will of God. Which is oneness. If you're a Hindu, Krishna the beloved

and his flute, divine harmony, playing through you. What is divine harmony? What are all these things, love and so on, except non-separatism? And how can you do it by punching a bloke on the nose? How can you do it by coming in

down to Hyde Park and shooting up the grenadiers? It's pointless. And who's going to do it? Except you. If something or someone could have done it, it would have been done. Narayama would have done it in Atlantis and we wouldn't have had any more.

Wouldn't have had any wars, disease, disease, all the rest of it. Separativeness. But we had, apparently, to form this selfish center. Some of us formed it quicker and went on and became what we're pleased to call initiates, masters and so forth.

I believe in such beings, by the way. I don't wish to offer a personal opinion too strongly or to decry anybody else's, but this pattern of involution-evolution gave me a link. Now, this is extraordinarily difficult to put over in a nuts and bolts world.

I took a personal stand in 53 and said I believed in it and by about 54 I'd arrived roughly at this sort of mental conclusion at any rate and was talking about it, was fool enough to talk about it. And therefore was obviously a crank and so on. But I was also a businessman

and in my business I deal with the tycoon. It's a luxury trade. And by the time the tycoon had dealt with me in business he realized I wasn't quite such a fool and then he began to listen. And then began people began to ask me to talk. And now you can have subject to flying saucers on a talk like this

and the BBC putting on a show like last night. This is a great growth of evolution. This is a great thing I think we owe people like Joseph Busby and his wife Louise who are doing this sort of thing and other people who've had other conferences like this as well. But you and I and the next bloke,

whether we're Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Russian, because there's nothing wrong with being an atheist, it's just another version of being some other thing. We've all got this involutionary arc evolutionary arc and we have got to on our own two flat feet go and make the change. That I believe was the first question

of why they didn't land in Hyde Park. Now the next thing, let's bring in our friends the Russians because the atheist is a place if there's anything that's true in this consciousness of the one life whether it's a Jesus or a Mohammed or a Krishna or anything

they liked the lot. I cannot conceive of any of these beings saying I like him but I don't like him. I know we do that and we have lovely wars about it but I cannot conceive it of the beings themselves. And this is what I find with the sources.

They don't care two roots which part of the village we live in, planet Earth. Peloponnesian Islands or London to them it's the same. There's a oneness of life and they're just as interested in the cockroach as they are in any of the big metals that we so like. That was another thing.

This very expression flying sources I'll be talking of its origin in a minute but its universality is the thing. With our nuts and bolts mind we like to give it importance. This word isn't serious enough. We want unidentified flying objects. Something which has got some more show off in it.

But the simplest peasant in Africa or Asia or in Mexico or in Mayfair knows what a saucer is. It's universal and it's simple. And this to me is again the keynote of sources.

And this to me is again the keynote of anything esoteric. All the rest is show off, separative, involutionary arc as distinct from the beautiful, lovely permeating, unifying evolutionary arc of oneness. Um... Now the Russians.

I give you some nuts and bolts on this please if I may because I feel they're trying to help us the saucers and they're trying to teach the kid half grown humanity that all of us in our three thousand millions around this village earth

to turn from one to the other. And this is perhaps one approach they took to the Russians. There they're taught there isn't a god. It's just a variation of the one taught here where there is a god or a particular version of it. The oneness is still there

I believe. And the Russian Academy of Sciences began noticing some impulses from out in deep space. I've forgotten the name of the star they called it. It was some fantastic distance like a hundred million light years away. And they watched it

for about a year. And at the end of the year they gave out the frequency, the time, the place and they asked anybody on the planet who was sufficiently interested to watch these impulses. Because they believed

it showed life in other planets. And you know of course that our astronomers all our astronomers and so on believe there's life in other planets and if there are perhaps a thousand million planets out there if ten percent are inhabited only

well that gives you a huge number which have got inhabitants. And if only ten percent of those are more advanced than us with all our conceit that gives you plenty of places from which sources can come. And the Russians gave these facts

and we were asked to watch for a year. And I don't know whether you remember in the papers a little while ago several months that it came out in a flare in the headlines the Russians say there's a super civilization out there

next day also Jodrell Banks says oh no it was only natural phenomenon the thing was forgotten. But these were the facts behind. First we've been asked to watch for a whole year around the planet. Secondly the impulses came through

alternately like this hundred percent strength eighty percent strength hundred percent strength eighty percent strength. Now we have no technology on this earth which can phase down that volume of strength

from hundred to eighty and then bring it up to a hundred again. It's beyond the wildest dreams of science fiction and it answers the second question of context what language do they speak.

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Here it was mind to mind whatever language you did or did not speak you could understand hundred percent eighty percent hundred percent eighty percent.

The thing was so strong this signal that it was almost an argument for it being natural phenomena. Then the phasing was so vast hundred to eighty and back that again it was an argument

for it being natural phenomena. But the signals came out every hundred days. Now the coincidences of it being every hundred days regularly phased take it beyond the ordinary realms of possibility of natural phenomena.

And it was on these bases that the Russians were asking us to look. And they said it was super civilization trying to contact us. Now the point of all that is appealing mind to mind making minds think

round the planet be it Russian, be it American what happened? The easiest thing was just to deny it which Jodrell Bank did. But the thinking went on and people began to realize it couldn't be natural phenomena.

Then there was another question if this is natural phenomena this thing came with the speed of light 186,000 miles a second and took a hundred million years or whatever it was to come here how did that bloke know that in a hundred million years

there'd be a thing here called Russia and how it communicates to it? And then we come to the other thing that maybe these people move with the speed of thought maybe they don't go from point A to point B along that plane but come to a within plane

we call it the mental and then out again and you can move as quickly as that to Venus and back because otherwise how do you explain signals so long ago because

there was another factor with sources for example radio waves go up to the ionosphere or somewhere like that and come down again in a given number of seconds you can't hurry them you can't slow them down

that's science fiction when sources are about they often take the radio wave hold it for three seconds and then release it now that again is mind to mind any technician can understand it and no technician has the faintest idea

of how to do it and again it begins to make you think and I believe that the second question that the contactee asked why me why not the government why not the scientist

is related to the Christ not being born Caesar in Rome but being in the local salt mines and coming from the ground up you can accept or reject Mohammed came from the ground up you can accept or reject and in the acceptance

or the rejection you can listen to me or not you think you feel you sense you search you listen to evolution and you've got to do it yourself

that's my main point it's not very dramatic I don't believe truth is dramatic it's not very sudden again I don't believe truth is sudden not real truth if it had been dramatic and sudden

Jesus would have just done it he'd come here now Krishna would no doubt join him and so would the others but it isn't done that way clearly it's not we know that from history and we've got to grow

we need these guides we need these helps we need these getting together we need the phenomena in the sky but it's your flat feet that you need as much as anything else to get you on your way why was the allegory of the Christ

going through on an ass what was the ass except you and I laughter what was the star upstairs except your inner self and mine and what was the difference between your inner self and my inner self all the

spiritual content of this little village earth and the spiritual content of a star a hundred million light years away do you mean there's a separate god for that one and a separate god for this village or is there a oneness and that oneness isn't linked in time

not limited to time did it really start a thousand years ago or ten thousand years ago you mean there wasn't a oneness before nuts and bolts scientists are finding relics of humanity now eighty millions of years ago you mean there wasn't a god then

he only started up with a public school or something full of questions sources put it back straight to us and they're not going to take sides in this village like this bloke dislike that this again was

the gentleness of all the great people they liked the lot including the cockroach well i seem to be nagging you mr chairman and friends didn't really mean to um i go on perhaps

of these contacts because these are the standard questions again what do they look like where do they come from what language do they speak what food do they eat do they travel on number eleven bus you know

the research was into the types of sources and it wasn't very long before we cataloged sixteen different types they range from the round things like that about a foot in diameter which are unmanned

up to big motherships the biggest of the unmanned we believe is three foot in diameter how do we get to it well we had we've got friends around the planet scattered around the planet there are vast numbers of people

interested in sources and on one particular occasion we had 118 reports from one place in denmark where this saucer this unmanned one three foot in diameter followed people landed in the fields

was ahead of them sort of circled went off and so on 118 reports one of the 118 the thing landed by the side of a man riding one of these scooters and it came up to the handlebars and we measured up to the handlebars

which was just exactly one meter and gives the diameter pretty neatly these flying television sets if you like pick up not only sound and vision but thought and feeling well fortunately one doesn't need to defend that

in a gathering like this because for example you know that marconi before he died was working on a machine to pick up thought and feeling i'm sure most of us would be sensitive to auras and so on we are going

beyond the nuts and bolts beyond the five senses and these unmanned flying television sets not only pick up thought and feeling from you and i not only seem to be able to focus so that they saucer occupants can examine

areas or individuals even pinpointing down onto an individual even if you like pinpointing onto the previous lives of the individual because the saucers all seem to take reincarnation for granted as does most of this village earth it's only local parts of it

which don't and then they seem to be able to radiate influences well we'd all go along with this we know of magnetic centers we know of all these things that then the conventional saucer

which is like two plates one above the other which is sixteen foot diameter usually a crew of two or three the ones normally seen bigger versions of motherships and so on where do they come from at least four different places

the mainstream i believe is venus i'm awfully sorry if you're stuck with carbon dioxide clouds and four hundred degrees centigrade uh if there were time i would go into it frankly it won't stand up to critical examination at all

and any really open minded scientist will tell you that at the moment it's merely a hypothesis disposing of the carbon dioxide cloud very quickly the sources have always said it's a protective layer above the surface of the planet venus

and this was hotly disputed on earth till we sent up our sputniks and explorer 3 the american explorer 3 which was on its way then to the moon in 1958 with the best equipment aboard when it was only fifty miles

off the surface of planet earth it was radioing back there's no oxygen on earth there's no moisture on earth and therefore there's no life on earth because apparently fifty miles up that was the condition but even most of us realize

that there is some form of life on earth low or otherwise and that sort of surface of protective layer became that and then this four thousand four hundred degrees centigrade business is absolute i believe easily proved guff

if you like to think of the last one the russian experiment which landed by parachute and it took an hour and a half do you remember this in the papers and then it was radioing back information well you show me the parachute

which will stand up to four thousand degrees centigrade for an hour and a half and you show me the missile which won't melt in four thousand degrees centigrade for an hour and a half that doesn't seem to have occurred to many people you study

as i think one eventually must study these esoteric subjects from within i took madame blavatsky's secret doctrine on that and the detailed way of how the physical elements were formed

earth air fire water and so on and temperature and the variations and different qualities of it on this planet and another planet and there is an explanation of all this beyond the subject for today but there is there so

there are sixteen types of sources from four main places at any rate of which the venusian is the mainstream by the way tomorrow at two o'clock there's going to be another talk on sources and i'm sorry to tell you but i'm on it too

and we're going to take this venusian theme particularly then and particularly detail it with some colleagues so i will leave that sorry losing my thread types of sources and these people

now they're coming here to help the point is why do they come to help this struck me again very strongly this esoteric side why did the christ or the buddha or muhammad come to help you see what for example did the christ

want from you and i what did he come here to get now do you and i ever really give you know we'll have a tea party we'll put out the tea cakes we'll have our friends there

we'll be very happy if they eat the cakes but we expect to be asked back and if they don't ask us back we'll give another tea party and if those miserable lot of so and so's don't ask us back the third time we bargain we don't give

they come here in love and we can't understand it if they came here to trade if they wanted our plutonium or something or they wanted to colonize the earth or something like that as i say we'd understand that that would be fine but they come here to help

and they don't land in hyde park they see some little bloke and they say love spiritual love and man says oh well i've heard that i mean anybody's been saying that and this involution evolution thing this gentleness this man who's been

had the contact says well what can i do i mean why don't you go to the prime minister he'd come on tv and tell you well what can i do and he writes a book and you and i don't read it did you know there are 220 books in english alone on sources you and i don't read it

but you have come to listen to another bloke talking on it and in this talk in this rappel consciousness will grow your consciousness will help mine will help yours a little bit in our joint interplay it isn't you teaching me or me teaching you

that separateness that's a dead loss but you and i together each going help along and taking the cockroach along and that star over there not just my cricket team

this is the whole point and if you sniff at the peloponnesian island it's too bad it's time you grew you're stuck in any particular form it's just too bad it's time you grew until you get out of that down form

you're not going to get very near either sources or gentleness and that's true and syrup doesn't help and there's no syrup with sources no lovely dramatic guff guff no beautiful build up

initiation through you me on your own flat feet you've got to reach it and if you take one life or 44 lives help yourself it's up to you well then my last point

why doesn't the sorcerer materialize here and why can he take a contact and he not what has he done to get this quality of gentleness and i then came into technical jargon

what were beyond these five senses well you remember i've just given you this very quick picture the root race is the first second third fourth fifth sense all of which we know then the sixth and the seventh clairvoyance clairaudience clairsentience

whatever you like telepathy is now fashionable and its sources which have brought it on our program last night on the bbc mentioned telepathy they twisted it to telepathic hypnotism from the sorcerer on you and i which is a pity

but telepathy we know when i was physically handling the sorcerer reports which incidentally are still running at thousands of oh hundreds of thousands a year actually piles of the darn thing

and over and over again it said i don't know why i went to the window but this telepathic contact something made me look up over and over again and this telepathy of course is part of this permeability part of this oneness part of this love of this arc

responsiveness you've got to be sensitive to each other i don't mean stupidly sensitive but responsive in it and it's again the quality of sources this explains to me why they have such difficulty

coming down to planet earth people say why don't they come and have lunch but if you really can read thoughts as clearly they can would you like to be on any city in earth london or washington or peking or delhi or moscow or anything

the thoughts that we've got selfish jagged things if you really can read that i'd rather sit in a dung heap with dung all over me it's more pleasant and then you look at it the noise we have in our cities you look at the emotional surges we have

the very extremes we have we start coffee and ice cream hot and cold the extremes all away from the midpoint of balance the point of balance between the within and the without between spirit and matter

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between meditation and the outer world all this midpoint the center where really one is humble gentle truthful beautiful and this beauty of the venusian is the thing that shows through they have it in their men

they have it in their women because women come too the earthlings who go for a ride all seem to have this inner beauty it doesn't necessarily show through into the physical it shows very often in their eyes and don't we in all our allegories

of all our greater beings have that quality inside that within out and it would come if continuing my story of the root races we have come down to the fifth root race the venusians

apparently are in the sixth root race because there's more than one village in this universe and in that sixth root race they would give rather than take they wouldn't bargain they would have this love

they'd give that tea party without wanting the cakes back and it would understand why they've been here helping this growing humanity for all these millions of years without recognition without the big medals

quietly and they've got to go on for a long time yet because this humanity of this village earth will have to repay to another humanity younger still coming on to me that picture balances

and that's virtually the last thing you've got to do it yourself you've got to get the involution evolution change on your own flat feet you have your examples

it is the gentleness the non separatism all this unifying thing which is the one and then the last two the very expression flying saucers for those who have eyes to see

this year by the way is the 21st anniversary the 3-7 if you're interested in numerology and things like that have you ever thought of that expression flying saucers it was June the 24th

1947 before that saucers had been seen the Romans called them flying chariots in the sky the Christians called them wheels in their bible the Vedas called them ships up there

other people called them lights everybody but nobody had a common tag to unify them and June the 24th the anniversaries coming up next month was this expression now 24th of June 1947

the double 12 always the 12 has been a mystic number if you're a Christian the 12 apostles the 12 signs of the zodiac the 12 inner petals of the crown chakram if you're an esoteric student 12

the double 12 the night and day the spirit and the matter the good and the evil so called separates actually one 6 June 1921

the three sevens where did he see them Mount Rainier a mountain always the spirit as distinct from the valley how many peaks did Mount Rainier have three the trinity so often found in the exoteric religions

how many saucers were there nine not the ten of perfection of Plato nine of initiation where you've got to do it on your own two flat feet first the sources go in and out of the three peaks what was happening at the same time

a conjunction of planets which planets Venus this sixth root race spiritual love and what else Jupiter higher mind

the inner consciousness now was the whole of that an accident or did you have eyes to see and that really is my story ladies and gentlemen and I end where I began please this is a personal viewpoint and it doesn't implicate any association

thank you my friends my friends thank you very much I'm a bit overwhelmed um was I dodging time do you want another five minutes

um I'll just tell you shall I I did stop actually two or three minutes early oh there's my five minute warning line may I give you five minutes yes yes

um one of the things that people often say about sources is if these things are manifestly true which I believe they are and basically people are honest and nice even though it's involution they're trying

this evolutionary arc why don't the governments for example announce it you might be interested to know that five governments already have announced the reality of sources I'm afraid it's not published in England but I can't help that

Venezuela, Mexico, Argentina Brazil, Norway and Philippines it's quite a Norway was partly influenced by that story I told you of that film where they have the fifty scientists and the three aircraft and they've got that

but not wholly by that many more stories now why don't these people then authority announce the reality of sources well it cuts across

everything that we seem to hold dear it doesn't go against what we hold dear but it cuts across what's the things we hold dear first of all of course is gold well if you're interested in economics you've got a job

and we've all got jobs on this planet of some sort basically we're based whether we're communist or capitalist is irrelevant basically we're based on nuclear power hydroelectric power coal, oil

and it is on that that our jobs depend well sources don't want any of it they use different forms of energy they don't even want the nuclear energy that we do we do nuclear fission which is exploding we're always against something

anti-gravity, anti-this, anti-that exploding they apparently use nuclear fusion which is the wholeness, the working with nature instead of fighting so if they landed I believe they have I believe our governments know perfectly well

but if they landed in Hyde Park well the coal fields, the oil wells the hydroelectric works and worst of all the nuclear power stations would be useless so it goes obliquely across that

what's the next thing we're worried about politics if you're President of the United States or Prime Minister of England more or less the most powerful people or Russian Communist are more or less the most powerful people you've got it because you've got these

four sources of power and if you get free energy Siam for example or Ceylon could build as many warships and war missiles as you and I and if you're President Johnson you've got enough headaches without getting Ceylon

mixed up in it so it goes across obliquely because it's not just physical power otherwise India with 500 millions would be more powerful than England with 50 millions it's not even know-how because there are enough Indian scientists

who could make it if they had the materials so it goes across there then please forgive me our emotions I'm awfully sorry it's only a personal viewpoint you don't have to accept it but it wouldn't be truthful

if I didn't also express my own viewpoint the emotions therefore the great religious movements it goes right across see if you're a Christian and Christ came down to help why didn't he go and help those 100 million planets out there

why didn't Mohammed do it why didn't Krishna do it it's just as important to the one consciousness as the cockroach and you and I if you can find any difference between the cockroach and you and I and this is a viewpoint if the viewpoint is stuck in the village

planet earth it's time to grow so it goes obliquely across it's not against it's not against one word in the Quran or one word in the Bible but it goes obliquely across and it affects both

so you see the implications and it's not a light thing and when after this talk I'm going to talk to the BBC man there and on my nuts and bolts approach for you know one and a half minutes on BBC TV

go on give the truth how can you do it how can you tell a chap he's like a cockroach except that I'm like one too seated in the body of the hall please, please remain seated for a little while

there is the practical point that unless you remain seated it will be impossible for the delegates in the front to get up onto the balcony in the distance there so would you just remain seated while they go

I'm sure we all thank Rex Ducker enormously