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1967 October 14th Giant Rock Convention Daniel Fry George Van Tassel Calvin Girvin Frank Stranges History Of Flight P233

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• [00:00] Opening Daniel Fry segment at Giant Rock
• [17:00] George Van Tassel introduces convention speakers
• [01:00:00] Additional convention material
• [01:30:00] Later Inglewood Daniel Fry segment on history of flight
• [02:40:00] Closing material

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[00:00] Opening Daniel Fry segment at Giant Rock

Every single thing you say is contrary to our technical knowledge. And you still have to make it even worse and more ridiculous by talking about black smoke coming from the bird's tail. Go back to your hut, please, and sleep it off and try to regain some semblance of sanity. And when you do, come back again and we'll talk about something else. But let's not have any more of this ridiculous nonsense. No attention whatever would be paid to the report to that knave, but perhaps a few days later another native who had previously been considered quite highly in the tribe being a little bit sheepish and saying, well, boys, I don't know, but it looks like I've joined the crackpot crew because I think I saw one of these big birds too. It happened often enough. Eventually it would come to be considered that perhaps there might really be something there.

The other natives would say, gee, I don't know. They can't all be going crazy. They all seem to be perfectly sane. The day before. They saw this thing. Their consideration of what it was.

And perhaps one of the natives at that point might suggest that perhaps instead of being a bird, it might be a machine. Great difficulty even in expressing such a concept. They have no, it's because they have no machines. They haven't even built a bow and arrow. He might be able to explain like themselves,

but who has progressed so tremendously beyond their level of development, that they could actually build things in which they could fly. It's a very difficult concept. One hard to get over and one hard to say, gee, I don't know, Joe. It sounds real far out. Talking about people building things that they can fly in.

Even if we could accept the possibility of such an outlandish thing, it still is not a logical explanation of the things which we see. If that were a machine and there were people like ourselves in it and they were flying over our village, they would look down and they would see us here. Of course, they would immediately land their ship in the center of our village. I'm not saying take me to your witch doctor, take me to your chief. We want to enter into commerce and trade. We want to get some of those lovely bones that you people wear in your noses. We want to get some of that copper that you hang around, some of those luscious fried grub worms that you have for lunch. Of course, it's obvious that there can't be any intelligent beings in those crabs.

At this mic point, you have to carry this a little bit farther. If these are the obviously, they must also have weapons.

Did they trade with us?

Suppose that there are any intelligent beings in those crabs. There's an exotic food section in the near supermarket.

They have them in foreign market coverage. Our pilot should land to get these things. He was quite sure that he would because that is what the native would do. That it was ridiculous to suppose any intelligent life existed in that object.

There he is. There's only one that's while going somewhere else.

One of these villages nestled in this village in the bottom of this canyon.

And being very high in the air, he could look 40 or 50 miles perhaps up this canyon. He might see that at the end of that canyon there was a large lake impounded by a natural earthen dam. And that an earthquake had ruptured this dam and that the waters of that lake were pouring out and an ever-increasing flood into the mouth of that canyon. At that point, immediately, he would be in the position of a prophet with respect to that tribe. He wouldn't have to have any crystal ball. He wouldn't have to have any Ouija board. He wouldn't have to have any fortune-telling cards. But he would be a prophet because he has access to data that those people do not have. The lake up there, they've never been that far up the canyon. But he does know and he can tell just about what is going to happen to that little village in just about one minute. And he knows just about when it is going to happen, depending on how fast the water is coming and how far it is away.

And at that point, if he were a normal human being, even of our own rather low state of development, he would begin to feel some impulse to land and to attempt to warn those people of what was going to happen. And he would actually do it.

The depth of it, probably, even with primitive weapons,

could succeed in killing him before he could make himself understood. You don't have to fight. And you simply kill him. You cannot commune your fight. Success completes his original mission.

But he would leave that poor native in a terrible spot.

The most wonderful, the most amazing experience came to me today. The most wonderful thing happened. I was out there and, you know, I saw a man getting out of that big boat.

A man like ourselves. His skin was white instead of dark like ours. And he had on real fancy clothing, sparkling buckles and so forth on us. And I looked at him and he looked at me.

And he made signs of friendship to me. And he didn't seem to be too dangerous. So I slowed down. And finally we got together. We could know our language.

Some signs he made at the head of this canyon.

Well, he wouldn't get that far in his account at all. He'd never make it. The instant he said one of these big birds landed, a superior being got out. And talked to me. Every eyebrow in the tribe would go up. Now, you, who are you? Doctor? Time talking to you.

Mark, and then grade the test. To see who was the most intelligent, who was the most advanced, and therefore who was the one who should be the recipient of his message. I didn't feel that the, which doctor or the chief necessarily knew any more about the subject than anybody else. One thing, someone who could understand what he had to say. He would go upon his way. Would have been me.

Kept after it and after it and after it.

He would probably eventually succeed in saving at least a few of the people of that tribe. He would save a few of the more intelligent members. Because after a little while, the more intelligent members would stop laughing long enough to ask themselves, well, after all, what is the price? And from us, in return, nothing whatever. For the native's benefit.

Intelligent members of the tribe would say, look, it doesn't cost us anything to do what he's suggesting. He only suggests that we should get a little bit higher up on these canyon walls here where we can look around a little farther and see what's going on and be out of the way of this flood when it comes. Anything to do this, to get up there. If no flood comes, we can come back. We'll have everything we had before. We won't have given up a thing. The flood will still be alive. Gag and do as the gentleman suggests. Probably succeed. Perhaps if he were energetic enough and logical enough and patient enough, he might succeed in saving all of them. But in any event, he would have to try. But he could because he is carrying the ball. And he is the only one who can do it. He calls this analogy with... He asked him if during the course of the game he had made any long runs.

And the player said, yes, I made one run of 110 yards. Touchdown run. I wish I had been there to see it. And the player said, oh, I didn't make a touchdown. And not made a touchdown. Immediately,

[17:00] George Van Tassel introduces convention speakers

of a greater understanding between all the peoples of the earth

and preparing them for their eventual... Most of you have heard of it at one time or another. We are having an annual meeting. Those members are requested to report to... In the following speech,

George Van Tassel introduces Calvin Girvin at Giant Rock on October 14, 1967. It looked like a home visitation to the Philippines and that particular area.

He stands to making a fast buck himself as far as I can...

He takes the person through the... Signed to the 11th Airborne Division in the Philippine Islands.

Much of the... This battalion is...

Remember the...

It didn't last too long. I was standing outside of my physical body.

As I looked down, I saw my physical body laying on the ground. The old person was very confusing. This is something that I had never been taught. ... by a doctor.

On this planet, from each other,

we would be reduced to a rubble of near nothing. We say that the planet Mars,

a hundred years later, having our technology developed, flies through these...

... that I have just made.

What happened is that this...

He introduced me to the...

The Red Sea was opened by a...

flying saucer in the desert.

As Dan of...

The following speech is by... Dr. Frank Stranges at Giant Rock on October 14, 1967. I have some bits of information... I'd like to share with you to the deep end...

at least not in the first five minutes of my talk... ... Canadian geese...

... dead horse... It's interesting to see what our... protectors are going to finally come up with... and talk with as a solution... as to what caused the dead horse incident. Now really, this is not the first time this has happened... because in days gone by... there have been dead animals... landed in many other countries besides the United States. As Russell mentioned yesterday... the animal perhaps got within the scope... or the range of the force field... caused the death of the animal. Now this has even happened in connection... with many of our planes... that have gotten to... everything we see in the sky...

that is categorized as unknown... or unidentified... or something in the sky... that you would consider a UFO... may I see your hands again please... to see something...

this afternoon... but it certainly would be interesting... because the United States Air Force said... we can't give information to the public... because of the fear of mass panic... and mass hysteria... As the Director of the National Investigations Committee... on UFOs... we like to ask these questions... and make them a part of the official record... think that you would go towards...

you think you'd go the other direction... okay... how many of you would say... Doc I don't know what I do... but I'd be willing to find out... as I said I haven't arranged anything... for 12 o'clock... but someday we're going to know... just exactly what the reaction... of the masses of the people will be... The economy of the United States... today is beginning to waver... people are becoming very concerned... I've traveled throughout the United States... this past year... first committee at the United Nations... following the discussion... a question was asked... by one of the representatives... of the United Nations... what do you think would happen... he asked me... what do you think would happen... if a flying saucer landed right now... outside of the United Nations building... what do you think would happen... I said what do I think would happen... I think the fellow... who was... piloting the UFO... would get a parking ticket...

the UFO department... would probably rush up... and ask him to show his vaccination... speaking of vaccination... I had to get me a vaccination... a few days ago... invited to Wiesbaden, Germany... next month... to speak at the UFO convention... in Germany... and we're expecting... to have a tremendous time... because we're going out... to some of our associated... churches there... to Finland... Holland... and also London... and all the churches... want to hear the truth... about flying saucers... and let us wish for you... many of them are... Orthodox churches... some of the churches...

about flying... is a very good sign... all right... let's go on... just a step further... because of the ramifications... of the UFO subject... we had the pleasure... of receiving a telephone call... from a man by the name... of Mr. Wood... W-O-O-D... from the Jet Propulsion Lab... in Pasadena... and he led us to believe... that next month... on the 13th of December... we would like... Pioneer No. 8... is going to be launched... while we were discussing... Pioneer No. 8... and its merits... discuss the ramifications... of the famous Venus probe... you recall... they sent up the package... the mariner... and they told us... that there's no life... on the planet Venus... how many of you remember... that report... but he said... you know... a strange thing happened... due to a miscalculation... mistake... Venus is not... totally dead... I said... well... where did you come up... with 800 degrees Fahrenheit... as representing... the surface temperature...

of the planet Venus... he said... well... we must have hit... a pocket of hot air... well... I said... that figures... I said... usually... that kind of stuff... comes from the Pentagon... but... coming from you... has encouraged it... he said... or... we may have measured... the intensity... of a high point... in an electrical storm... but he said... in fact... we have never... accurately measured... the surface... of the planet Venus... about Mars... he said... Mars... is another question... he said... there is... a strange...

of the satellites...

is going the wrong way... according to... the laws of aerodynamics... it shouldn't be going... the wrong way... I think... forefathers... many years ago... have informed us... that it's impossible... for the bumblebee... to fly too... the bumblebee... doesn't know any better... so what does he do?.. he just flies... these same people... say that UFOs... do not exist... but if you see one... let us know... we'll send you... a questionnaire... speaking about... questionnaires... we have a number... of these folders... with us today... that give the aims... and the purposes... of the national... investigations committee... on UFOs... later on... and feel free...

to pick yourself... a copy... how many of you... saw the last meeting... that I had... when I was advised... to the Art Linkletter show... was to talk about... the book called... The Stranger at the Pentagon... this is a story... involving a fellow... by the name of Valiant Thor... impersonating... Air Force Intelligence people... they told me... not to say a word about it... so I thought... it would be better... if we put it in book form... anyhow... but I believe... it's good for people... to know about these things... so I got on... the Art Linkletter show... and those of you... who remember... seeing the show... we had a very good... first and second section... and then... this picture... of Valiant Thor... from Venus... who by the way... was standing to my left... just yesterday... yesterday... just a few people... saw him... and recognized him... my wife spoke to him... for about an hour... and I understand... he should be here...

shortly after noon today... recognize him... feel free to go up... and talk with him... what you're going to... talk to him about... I have no idea... that's your business... he said... I've been working with you... up to this point... I've agreed with... anything you've said... and I... I believe these things exist... and this and that... and the other thing... but he said... when it comes to... something like this... he said...

you've lost me... people have asked... how many of you believe... in UFOs... and over half the people... raised their hands... now what was further... through our link letter... was the fact that... I informed him... that the first 39 pages... of this book... Stranger at the Pentagon... were written by Valiant Thor... and given to me... just days before... the book went to print... our link letter said... I just can't believe this... you've left me... I can't go for this at all... but after the show... he told me... I'll give you $5,000... to bring in to appear... on my show... as usual... but those of you... who have not received... your copy of... The Stranger at the Pentagon... it outlines exactly... how many times... Valiant Thor has come... number one...

to mingle with... and become... as urban advice...

and guidance... superior knowledge... to develop the essence... of our mission... this entire incident...

I'm going to turn... towards the... the very, very beginning... of the chapter... a program that's called...

Just Exactly What to Make of It...

in a state of... happen next... our dollar value... here in the United States... is concerned with...

the rising taxes... ready to impose... and we seem to be...

capable of earning... more and more... and paying more... and paying out... more and more... at the same time... today on the radio... we also heard that... there's danger of inflation... in the United States... with election time... coming up now... they're getting ready... to have the most... make-up artist... president... I want them to look... just as beautiful... as possible... but I know the majority... of the new age people... in these United States... will not choose... the next president... because he looks cute... on television... but because he's got... something decent... down in his heart and soul... because he is... sold... S-O-L-D... on the American way of life... I'm further positive... that many of our forefathers... have turned over... in their graves... many times... when they have seen... what has been... purported to be... something called... the great society... I won't take it... for anybody here today... but I believe...

that the... tide completely... against the forces... of evil and darkness... ...

As long as... answer... any question... about our regulations... consider... very carefully... in the light... of past performances... before we elect... a new president... or re-elect the same president. Let's not be... pushed into anything... by any high-pressure... political expert. I suggest that... everyone... in the privacy... of your own home... can make up... your own minds... don't be persuaded... or dissuaded... one way or another... by all minds... because this... is still... Do not be so foolish as to attempt to find me. This is Valiant Thor. When the time is right, I will find the society right now. We have adjusted to your earth conditions because we control susceptible to your atmosphere.

Many in major cities.

He says, I close this message with universal love for the human family. On this, the suffering, a picture of George Van Tassel and his wife,

a picture of Dan Fry, a picture of Carl Anderson, Peter Herkos, all of these people who attend the premiere opening of our motion picture

back in Los Angeles. The book contains over 365 photographs. I even have a picture of Joe Pine in here, bless his sweet cotton-picking soul. We had such a great time in this program. And after we return from Germany, I understand that we're invited to the Johnny Carson show. And speaking of more television, I've got another piece of news to give you, which I'm sure many of you will be happy with us. Because of this fact. I've been invited to take the place of the late Frank Edwards. Frank Edwards made a special half-hour color television program. The following day, Frank Edwards passed away. We received a telegram just a month before coming up here to Giant Rock that I was considered to take his place on this national week on color television.

We'll let you know what channel is being shown around the Los Angeles area. And they also told us that we can invite Pete

about a television show. We'll let you know what channel is being shown around the Los Angeles area. And they also told us that we can invite Pete about a television show. We'll let you know what channel is being shown around the Los Angeles area. And we'll let you know what channel is being shown around the Los Angeles area. If there are any writers in the audience, you see me. Of the principal people in the UFO field today to appear, opinion, how many of you actually believe that there are people from other worlds walking among us? May I see your hands? The question has been asked, how many? Nor do you need a degree after your name.

The qualifications, as has been told to me by Valiant Thor, contact outer space people. And you know what's gonna happen? You're gonna contact a phone. There's no phones here today. The easiest and the most difficult thing the most simplest and the most uncomplex manner in which you can meet a person from another world does this make sense to you yourself one lady yesterday she was so flustered i don't know what

to do i need a man from another world expect to do a hold down or something or try to impress him

with your great vocabulary no from another world or a woman from another world my friends whether

we realize this or not if a man has come from another world i'm going to get along without

sickness and without disease is a speech by dr dan fry at the inglewood unit of understanding

[01:00:00] Additional convention material

on saturday november 23rd 1968 he speaks on the history of flight nice to see you here again on

our 10th anniversary lined up for you have our guest speaker and his wife and all the outstanding

personalities and ufo feel here with us this morning evening i remember the first night we dan fry if we would consider opening a meeting

in our inglewood area here and we were interested in thinking about it and we said well we would if he would be our first speaker and he graciously consented and ever since he has been one of our speakers here at many of our lectures on our anniversaries now before we introduce our guest speaker of the evening there are several announcements we wish to make books and introduce one of the most humble persons one of the nicest persons it's been my pleasure to know and i hope that you will sense the feeling of responsibility of this speaker and what he says and what he shows on his film history of flight thank you dr fry had an announcement of this interesting program

on tv tomorrow at 4 30 p.m at the university of redlands it is interesting because dr james mcdonald of the university of arizona will be the first speaker to speak on this and he will be the guest speaker there it happens that dr mcdonald was one of those who testified before the congressional investigating committee back in july this announcement doesn't give his

background but i have a page a full page of his background and i'm not going to bore you by reading it but dr james e mcdonald is the senior physicist of the institute of atmospheric physics and professor of the department of meteorology of the university of arizona he is one of the scientists who have been interested in the subject for many years having reached the conclusion some years ago that really some of these things were actually material objects guided by intelligence and not created on this planet he was the one who

once said in a public talk at a university and being questioned someone said well how about the

skeptics you are a believer or an acceptor but how about the informed skeptics dr mcdonald had a very interesting

rejoinder he said there is no such thing as an informed skeptic on this subject if you take the trouble to become informed you can no longer be a skeptic the only skeptics are uninformed skeptics that just brings up a subject that you might like to know about because this is the 10th anniversary of this organization and on occasion like this we should look briefly into the progress that has been made if an organization works as energetically as this organization and other youth organizations have worked there should be some results to show and certainly there are if we look back 10 years ago when this organization was founded the very word ufo or flying saucer was an invitation to ridicule

practically anywhere in the country we appeared on radio and television we were eagerly sought by various programs who wanted

to have an interesting coup to put on their program and to have something to laugh about afterwards so we appeared on many programs but almost never in a good light almost always we were exhibited rather than invited it was a question of exhibiting much as the circus

exhibits their their freaks to the audience and so the radio and television did likewise at that time no one would have believed that any scientist would ever become interested in the subject so we have had a 10-year period in which gradually the subject has been taken more and more seriously more and more people have become really interested and more and more people have been convinced when

you have seen one of these objects at close range you can never unsee it when you have learned the facts you can never unlearn them so the progress has always been in one direction each year a few more people have seen these things at close range and so a few more people realize that they are material objects since you can never unrealize that the movement is all in one direction the last gallop poll taken a little over a year ago indicated that five million people in this country had made written statements or public statements that they had seen objects that could not be explained in earthly terminology now this is a small percentage of the population of the united states yet five million people but it's a lot of people if you get them all in one place but the poll also disclosed another simple fact that less than one person in 20 who even has a good sighting will make any public mention of it so five million people

have made public mention of it and only one person has a good sighting and that's the one in 20 who sees one will make public mention of it how many people in this country have seen him about two-thirds of the population it's a test that a friend of mine and i used to make at least once or twice a year when we were down in this part of the country or in san francisco area the two of us would get on a crowded bus somewhere at rush hour being jammed together with humanity all around us and without paying any attention to those around us we would begin to talk among ourselves of something that one of us had seen in the sky speak about a ufo that one of us had observed usually before we'd gotten two sentences out the nearer next to us would start to flap and the man standing next to us would turn around and say well do you think there could really be anything to that because last year jose bervis and i were out on a hunting trip

in the north woods and we saw and he'll begin to describe the thing that he saw before he gets halfway through the person on the other side turns around he says well now that you're bring up the subject my wife and i were on the front porch last month and we saw he'll begin to describe what he saw and before he's due someone else will begin to describe within less than 10 minutes you've got at least 50 percent of the people on that bus talking about the things that they have seen in the sky but all of them end up in exactly the same way they say well we saw it and we saw it well enough to know what we saw but of course we would never dream of telling anyone else because everyone else would think that we were crazy so it's a very peculiar situation when two-thirds of the population of this country have seen these things and yet 90 percent of them are afraid to say anything to their neighbor for fear that the neighbor will think they're crazy not

knowing that their neighbor has also seen him and is also afraid to say anything about it many people bought ufo books and ufo magazines in the past they were very interested and they'd buy these things and they'd hide them them under their coats and they'd take them home, and then they'd slip them under the Saturday Evening Post on their library table somewhere for fear their neighbors would see that they had it. And it's only recently that these people have discovered that their neighbor also has a UFO book under his Saturday Evening Post. So now they can bring them out, and they're quite popular. Every national magazine in the country has done one or more articles on UFOs in the last year. Not too many of them have anything of interest to the UFO student because almost everything that comes out in national magazines today was printed in some saucer magazine seven years ago. There's very little new material yet that's come out in national magazines. The interesting thing was,

the Port-a-l'UFO magazine published it at its own expense and circulated at its own expense. Life magazine published a million copies of a $1 special edition. and sold them all within four hours. Four million copies. The first edition was four million copies

and they sold within about four hours of time they put on the newsstand. They made over a million dollars profit printing things that saucer magazines had printed six years ago at their own expense and got nothing for it. So it makes a big difference where you're working from. There has been through all of this time a feeling on the part of people, gee, when will we be recognized or when will scientists start to take interest? When will educated people become interested in a subject? Of course there have been a lot of people interested in the subject, educated people all the time. But last July this reached the culmination of a sort.

We have had quote scientific investigations of unidentified flying objects unquote for some time. A little group called Project Blue Book which changed its name every day. two years it was project blue book project grudge project saucer project sign and back to project grudge and finally back to project blue book every two years it announced that it had completed its study and was disbanding and every two years it changed its name and went right on but this was primarily a group existed for the purpose of tranquilization not of investigation

it was a group that existed for the primary purpose of preventing people from becoming panic-stricken or too interested or too curious about something that nobody really had the answers to and certainly project blue book never found any answers never really tried for any any significant answers because whenever they found data that they could not explain in ordinary earthly terms they simply showed that data they would always admit that there were a certain percentage of these observations that they couldn't identify what that meant was it was impossible to identify them with any known earthly phenomena in other words they could have explained them very easily they just refused to explain that percentage if there was the slightest possibility in the world that that object could be explained in earthly technology or terminology it was always so explained if there was one chance in a hundred that an observation was a weather balloon it

was automatically explained as a weather balloon there was one chance in a hundred that it was a mirage it was automatically explained as a mirage there's one chance in a hundred that it could be mistaken interpretation of a conventional aircraft it was automatically so explained but if there was no possibility whatever of explaining it as anything other than a spaceship from somewhere else it just wasn't explained at all those were the kind that were unexplained so it was a tranquilization group not an investigative group it never really spent any effort to get to the bottom of things last july finally there was a symposium on unidentified flying objects in the u.s house of representatives that is in congress in the united states a few people have heard something of this the face that it existed very few people know that the full data on it is available i have here and those of you who are interested can get the

information afterwards if you want to order it from government printing office you can get a copy of it will cost you something probably a dollar there are 247 pages and if it were a book published by a publishing company it costs you five or six dollars to get it but government printing office is quite reasonable on their printing now 247 pages of specific scientific testimony given before the congress of the united states by 12 of the nation's top scientists

and most of their testimony was directed toward debunking the debunkers one of them pointed out that there had never really been any kind of scientific examination into this including the denver investigation or rather the boulder colorado which is nearby

university of colorado the investigation headed by jesse condon was simply a continuation of the

air force studies and its sole purpose was to take the load off the air force because the air force had reached a point where nobody believed anything that they said anyway so they had to pass the buck to some other organization and Colorado University of Colorado was the organization that took the rap with Jesse for two hours in his office and go to Colorado in the University of Philly and he was quite frank he said our investigation has already been completed the only thing is to write the report and it was actually written at that time almost entirely but they didn't know exactly what to put in the report nor what to do with the report after it was written and exactly how to how to write the report that project was set up with no thought whatever that it would introduce that it would result in that discovery of any significant fact in other words it was set up to process chaff it expected to receive

nothing but chaff and was prepared to process only cheff and here and there and quite unexpectedly they began to get a little wheat and they didn't know what to do it they got it by accident because nobody in his right mind would ship wheat to a chaff farmer. a chaff factory, if he knew it was a chaff factory. But here and there they picked up a little wheat, and they were very concerned about what to do with it and how to write this in the report and who to send the report to. I felt quite a bit of pity for that organization, because they are going to be in Dutch no matter what they do, no matter what they say, no matter what they write. I really felt deep before them. Of course, they should have anticipated this before they accepted the $500,000 to go into this. I talked with them a little while about this, that, and the other aspect. I soon reached the realization that they knew far less, after having spent half a million dollars, they knew far less about the overall

scope of the subject than I did. Nobody's ever paid me $500,000 or 5,000 or 500 or $5. I spent about 18 years on my own at my own expense and my own time meeting virtually everyone in this country who had any kind of an experience. I've listened to professors. I have listened to professors. I have listened to many people in the graduate school, and have listened to schneller professors in California. But I've learned so much from them. I've listened to scientists, I've listened to engineers, and you'd be surprised how many of them have had personal experiences that they don't dare say anything about the public at all. In lecturing for service clubs down here in Long Beach a few years back, I did lecture for the Rotary Club, and they invited some other clubs in, and they had over 500 people at that lecture. I arrived a few minutes early, and a man grabbed me off to one side right away and said, I'd like to have you listen to me for a minute if you can.

He showed me his identification and his credentials. He was working in optical control systems for North American aviation. He said, I was an astronomer up until a few years ago, and I took this job. I'm not still working in optics, but I'm working in pursuit systems. And on the last close approach of Mars to this planet, I had seen something with a Pinnock's telescope that he had set up on Penthouse. And it was far from there. His friend in Glendale had a similar telescope, and he had called his friend up on the phone. His friend was already observing the object, because it was during the close approach to Mars. They were both scanning the sky, and this was right in the vicinity of Mars. That is, in line with it. It was in the vicinity of the planet Earth, but it was in line with the planet Mars. And they got a triangulation, because it's quite a ways from Long Beach to Glendale. They knew the distance quite exactly.

They had the base of a quite accurate triangulation. And they decided this thing was about 150 miles away from the surface of the Earth at that point, and about 1,100 feet in length, and they got the other dimensions and so forth. And I said, well, did you make a report on this? And he said, well, of course not. He said, you think I'm crazy? He said, if I had, everyone else would. He said, I still need my job here. But he said, I had to tell somebody, and I thought maybe you'd understand. Well, it's amazing how many of these kind of stories I've listened to, because being in. I mean, I'm one of the persons that nobody worries about recounting their experiences to, or very few of them would talk to Condon or anyone else in a technical investigation group, because the first thing that would be done is that they would have the psychiatrist sit on them, and an attempt would be made to explain it in earthly terms,

no matter how much the data had to be twisted to do so. But anyhow, you might like to know that there have been hearings held in Congress in the United States, and this report is a symposium on unidentified flying objects. I just got a note here, Dan. I have received a form note from the superintendent of documents in Washington saying that the supply is exhausted. There is no indication that there will be another printing. We might have to print this thing privately in order to get it around. Apparently, they printed a few dozen copies, and these were supposed to go. It says printed for use of the Committee on Science and Astronautics. It wasn't originally intended to go to the public. But it is a part that is printed by the government printing office. It is a part of the congressional record, and you can copy the congressional record. So if they don't get it printed, and some of us are going to see that it does,

the copies are printed, and we have to print it privately. But anyway, here's the book we'd like to look at over after the lecture. To calculate a little bit of what has taken place in the last ten years, well, in the last six years of that ten years, this same University of Colorado, which has always been a center of attention, and the University of Colorado, which has always been a center of attention, and the University of Colorado, which has always been a center of some interest in space travel, and extraterrestrial life, and intelligence, since the first wireless message was received from space there in 1898, doing some experiments on wireless telegraphy. There's always been a certain amount of interest there. And six years ago, the University polled its students during a flap, or just after a saucer flap. There was some interest in it. And so the University sent around a little questionnaire to each of the students.

And this questionnaire said, only, do you or do you not believe that there is a substantial possibility that this planet is occasionally being observed by intelligent beings from somewhere else? Do you believe that it is now, or it has in the past, or it is likely to be in the near future? And only 2% of the students answered yes. 98% said no. That was six years ago. Last year, they repeated the poll, and 62% said yes. So the degree of interest in space travel is very high. The degree of acceptance has gone from 2% to 62% at the college level in a period of less than six years. It's really quite an advancement. It is possible to speak on the subject of extraterrestrial life and intelligence today without having anyone send for the padded wagon and the boys in the white coats. It's a fairly acceptable study today, and it's getting more so every day.

So that really, there has been progress in the last 10 years. We have been getting somewhere, although the impatient person who wants to see 1,000 saucers land on the White House lawn tomorrow sometimes is impatient. He just can't quite wait for this to happen. If he paused to consider some of the terrible things that might follow in the wake of such a landing, he wouldn't be quite so eager for it to happen. I can understand this. I have never been anxious for it. And over and over again, I've been anxious for it. And over and over again, I've been anxious for it. And over and over again, I've been anxious for it. And over and over again, I've been anxious for it. And over and over again, I've been anxious for it. And over and over again, I've been anxious for it. And over and over again, I've been anxious for it. But I don't think it's a very preferred act on the part of extraterrestrials, because I realize full well some of the hazards that this would bring about.

We as a race simply are not quite yet prepared for such a thing in any way. It could have tremendous repercussions. It went down every avenue of man's thought here. I know that the people who are impatient are impatient primarily whether they realize it or not because of their own status. They're tired of being called a kook. And if there were 1,000 spaceships landed on the White House lawn, they could say, see, I told you so, and they would become important people. Well, this is nice. And it would be nice to be looked up to and respected for a change instead of being a kook. But I, for one, am not willing to sacrifice the welfare of this civilization just from my own status.

I'm willing to leave this to history to decide. A long time ago, a Greek philosopher was asked, why there hadn't been some agitation to erect a statue in his honor. And he had a very simple answer to it, and it's one I've subscribed to ever since. He said, I would much rather that my descendants asked why no statue had been erected in my honor than to have them ask why one hadn't. I'll show a little picture here, and I want to talk a little bit about it.

Because if I don't, you'll miss the significance of it. It moves very rapidly. It was put together, if you want to go, at the request of the American mayor of the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. The way it came about was this. One evening, about 9 o'clock, our phone rang. And I picked up the phone, and someone on the other side said, this is OMSI. And I said, great. I said, what planet is that? So he said, oh, you don't understand. OMSI means the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. Well, I was kidding him, because I didn't know what OMSI meant. There are clubs in most of the big cities in Oregon. But it's a little unexpected. I expected to pick up a phone and have someone say, this is OMSI. So I said, fine. What would OMSI like for me? He said, about 23 minutes of motion picture. Well, first, he said, we have had a whisper that you can put together television programs

in a hurry. And I said, well, if it's just you, I'm sure I can talk any time before the TV camera. And he said, oh, no, we need just a motion picture. He said, we're having a big space week up here. The Air Force has loaned us some time. We've got a replica of the Saturn missile, and we put it up in the park, and some smaller missiles. And we're having a big hoopty-doo on space this week, and we need a TV program to advertise OMSI. We've got a half an hour of TV time up here in Eugene, and we'd like to have you put together 23 minutes of film. Well, this isn't an easy task. I said, what gave you the idea that I could put film together? Oh, he says, I don't know. But someone said, probably you could. Well, I said, I don't know. I don't know. Although, we do have between 20 and 30,000 feet of film library, I have carried a 16 millimeter camera for some 25 years now, almost everywhere I went. And when you do, you, from time to time, get interesting footage.

I had collected quite a lot of other footage from time to time. And he said, well, we need the history of flight. We're having a space week. We're showing what man has achieved now. But OMSI would like to show how he got that weight. And I says, well, where do you want to start? And he said, I don't know. Well, let's start at the beginning. And I said, where is the beginning? And he said, well, let's start with Orville and Wilbur Wright. Throw in a picture of Orville and Wilbur Wright's takeoff from Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, December 17, 1903. That's a good place to start.

Give a little film back from 1903, and then from there on, give us a few scenes of the development of aviation in America from that time, coming up to the present time, and a little on rockets, and then a few UFOs, if you've got them, and make us 23 minutes of film.

He said, it has to be 23 minutes, oh, plus or minus a couple of seconds, because that's exactly a 30-minute program, of course, and we've got just seven minutes of advertising for arms.

So make it 23 minutes of film. And I said, well, now, wait a minute. This is something that Hollywood could do in about six months if you gave them the contract at the cost of maybe $50,000. How much have you got?

He said, oh, we haven't got any money. We didn't intend to pay anything for this. We just thought maybe you'd like to do it. So I said, all right. I said, Hollywood would take at least six months to put together something like this. How long have I got?

This was on a Tuesday evening. And he said, well, now, wait a minute. This is something that Hollywood could do in about six months if you gave them the contract at the cost of maybe $50,000. He said, we have to show this Saturday afternoon at 4. Well, it was one of these ridiculous challenges, so utterly impossible and so utterly ridiculous that I decided to do it.

I already had three very busy days ahead of me at that time, so about the only time I had was from 7 or 8 o'clock at night till midnight or 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning.

And I began to go through our film library and take out cuts here and lay them aside and cut the chunk out here and a scene out there.

And I had 72 splices of the original film, 72 strips of film that came out of more than 20,000 feet of random film.

And I spliced them together, and then I had to count the frames on every scene so I could write a narration that fit.

I had to write 11 pages of narration. So I wound up with 23 minutes of interesting by itself. But tied together, it is a fairly coherent history of the development of aviation in this country. It does start with Orville and Wilbur. Wright's take-off from Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, E3. Not very many people even know that there were motion picture cameras at that time, and there weren't, as far as most of the public is concerned, that it hadn't been commercialized as yet.

But pictures were taken. And it has an all-star cast. It includes men like Eddie Rickenbacker and his flying circus in World War I.

[01:30:00] Later Inglewood Daniel Fry segment on history of flight

It has pictures of Lucky Lindbergh's take-off on his solo ocean hop flight. It has pictures of Will Rogers and Wiley Post take-off on their last flight that ended fatally at Point Barrows, Alaska. It has pictures of the explosion and burning of the Hindenburg Zeppelin at Lakehurst, New Jersey. It has pictures of the take-off of Amelia Earhart and her co-pilot on their last flight that ended nobody knows where. And so on through history. The older people here will recognize practically every face. It has a shot of the first airmail flight. The U.S. airmail flight. And President Wilson shaking hands with the pilot, which excited him and everyone else so much that they cranked for 15 minutes on the propellers of the plane before they remembered that nobody had ever put any gas in the tanks.

After which they hastily filled the tanks, and they were still so excited the pilot took off. And having no compass on the plane, he got confused on the take-off, and he flew 26 miles in exactly the wrong direction before he realized he was lost.

And then he tried to make landing in the farmer's cornfield. And overturned the plane, and thus ended the first airmail flight. The first official airmail flight. From some of the things that happened to mail today, I sometimes think that maybe it hasn't improved much since then. But this was the first airmail flight ever attempted. The first transfer of U.S. mail by air. And it went 26 miles in the wrong direction. There isn't room enough in the scene to narrate this. Which is why I'm telling you about it now. All we have there is a picture of President Wilson shaking hands. But every person you see in there is a person well known in the history of aviation. But the scenes are so short that I have to talk about a little first a little zip by, and you won't quite grasp the scene. We have some shots. And this is film that you'd look a long time before you'd find anywhere in the world today. We have some shots of some private aviation tests of new planes.

One of which terminates very fatally right before the camera. But it is a part of the history of aviation. You'll see what I mean when we show it. Then we come into the rocket business. Some of you have seen the little rocket shot before. That's the oldest piece of color motion picture film in the world showing the rocket in flight. It doesn't go back as far as Goddard or Von Opel. But it does go back as far as color motion picture film goes. And it was taken with some respect. That's the first color motion picture film made. It's a little bit faded now, but you'll recognize it. It was a wood-burning rocket. Pacific Rocket Society designed, built, and tested it. Then we have some later shots coming up to more modern rockets and so forth.

And the rest you'll get from the narration. I guess I can get this microphone back there because I'll have to narrate. I haven't got sound on the film yet. This is kind of a corny picture in ways because I put it together. I couldn't photograph anything for this film. I had three days, and it takes ten days even to get film developed up there. So I couldn't shoot anything. I do have a much more advanced copy of this, which is going to be released for use in colleges and high schools and universities. It's brought about a great deal of interest there because all of these students have heard of Will Rogers and Wiley Post. They've heard of Amelia Earhart and Noonan. They've heard of all of these people. Captain Eddie Reichenbacker. But how many of them have ever seen these people? And here they are living again for at least a few brief moments on the screen. And so it is something that I think every high school and every college should show

at least once just as history of aviation. But I have put it together with a new heading, The History of Flight. I had to use entirely film that I had in the library, so I used one, Understanding Presents. And this was something. This was a little card I had made up for a television program in Douglas, Arizona, eight years before. I had another little piece of film, The Romance of Space, which was also some of the artwork that was used in that program. And I had to spice these in just to make a motion picture out of it. So it isn't a finished Hollywood product, although I do have a much better copy of this. And it will run 30 minutes. It will be for high schools and colleges. I will also put it on TV film, and it will be available for television stations. Thank you. But I think it is a nice little handbook. I wonder whether there will be new documentaries of the history of Germany. B. Yes, there will be.

And India, I think, can pretty much any German, American, anything. You can find us in the rest of the world. P. Yeah, we have a lot of presentations that want to show the history of flight. But this is the original, just as it was put together. I have some UFO shots in the end of it. Now, some of these are genuine photographs of UFOs. Some of them are photographs of photographs. Some of them are artwork. You just have to sort them out. But they show a general, a quick-running general history of UFO.

The ones that were photographed on film all have a rapid precession on the vertical axis. axis. Well, this is not very good here because these were taken on 16 frames per second and being shown on 24, so they swing much faster than they did. The scanning rate on these things is actually just about the scanning rate of a radar screen. They go around about the same rate as a radar screen, but when you take them on 16 and show them on 24, that speeds it up and makes it look a little jerky. But anyway, we won't apologize for the film. We're just going to show it. It does have a theme. I had not only put this film together, it would have no significance and I wouldn't be showing it here tonight if it didn't have a very important theme, a theme that is necessary to understanding the people today of what our space program represents. People say, well, why are we spending all this money just to put an astronaut in orbit around the Earth or just to send him to the Moon for a little

while? Well, the one thing that this space program represents is that it's a space program. In a way, it's essentially an ancient space program. It's really an image, an image of the earth. For us, it's this which is very dangerous, very dangerous because it's built of the good you if you can put them on a plane. So we always have to go out, pull them out, pull them out and just make them fly. So it's a very difficult to put them on a plane and have them down. And so we have a very difficult time understanding them. If you look at the surface of this planet, for example, if you look at the sky, the sky has a very, very clear bottom, a very clear view of the Earth. It has a very clear sky where the stars are. And when you look up to make a big, very sharp dash, there's a very, very clear sun. If you look up, you can see an edge of the stars in the sky. at the beginning but becoming conscious later to escape from the surface of the planet on

which he was born. Human races, intelligent races, when they reach a certain stage of technology abandon the planet on which they were born. Scientists and astronomers sometimes object to the visitation of this planet. They say, Where would they come from? It doesn't look like our local planets are very suitable for habitation, and the next nearest ones would have to be about Alpha or Proxima Centauri, four and three-tenths light-years away. The next ones would have to be about Bernard Starr or Wolf-8, some eight light-years away. It would take eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, or maybe a hundred years for them to come here in spacecraft. Nobody would bother to go that far. It is generally realized today by physicists that it is a statistical probability that at least 75 percent of all the intelligent life in this galaxy has never set foot on a planet in its life. That it is born, it lives all of its life in its tremendous ships, which it builds itself

with its own technology, which have been built in cycles of ecology, and we'll talk a little bit about that after the picture. But man, at a certain stage of his development, goes into space. Wherever in the galaxy he is born, wherever an intelligent race is formed, it tells us that life on this planet began in the oceans and the seas of the world began in the water. And that is certainly true. And that is certainly true. And that is certainly true. At a certain stage of its development some of that life crawled out into the air. Well, this is impossible, as any fish can tell you. Any fish can prove to you that you can't possibly live in air. You have to be in water. That you would die in air, as the fish does when it is pulled out into the air. But somehow this life managed to do it. Of course, it had to take some of the water along with it. Our bodies are still almost all water. They are still largely water, and we have to have quite a lot of water all the time. So we have

to take the water with us. Man, when he goes out into space, will have to take some of the water and some of the air with him in his own vehicles. But he will eventually, and very soon now, become totally independent of this planet, and something we'll talk a little bit more about after the picture. The means by which this is accomplished, how these crafts are built, what these built-in cycles of ecology are that enable the people to become independent of a planet forever. Even though some of those big ships leave here, they will never have to return here, nor will they ever have to touch another planet if they don't choose to do so. They probably will so choose from time to time, but they don't have to. They are self-contained, closed systems, just as this planet is a closed system. People say, What happens when the air, food and water will run out? We've had animals on this planet for 500 million years, and the air, food and water here hasn't

run out yet. It isn't any closer to running out than it was 100 million years ago. We're busily contaminating it at a pretty great rate now, but that's our problem, not the effect of nature. We haven't used up any of the air, any of the food or any of the water. It just constantly cycles through various stages of existence. Anyway, we'll show the picture. The theme is man's inherent necessity, inherent desire, subconscious at first, but becoming conscious later. You will see then how he begins to struggle to reach this final goal. I'm not going to go into too much detail. I'm just going to give you a little bit of information. I'm just going to give you a little bit of information. I'm going to give you a little bit of information about the goal of independence of the planet on which he was born. From the very beginning of his development as a reasoning being, man has had an instinctive

need and desire to escape from the surface of the planet on which he was born. Somehow, even the lonely shepherd who looked into the heavens at night and saw the many points of beckoning light knew within himself that the ultimate destiny of his race was not to be found upon any planet, but somewhere out among the stars.

Along the way, he noticed on man's correct activity a remarkable

SLOW MOTION. While believing that happens, he at one time thought that he was dead. That's'd a little comment. Not at all. with the products of their labor some of the later attempts made use of huge containers of light gas

usually hydrogen these while they were partly successful for a time usually ended in even greater tragedy since most of them eventually exploded and burned with the loss of many lives

finally man succeeded in building internal combustion engines which would produce enough power to make flight possible helicopters and ornithopters were tried without notable success but two brothers named orville and wilbur wright demonstrated the merits of the cambridge wing in straightforward flight these flights took place at kitty hawk north carolina on december 17

1903. women like ruth elder and men like eddie rickenbacker made aviation history

and were the idols of the public because of their daring and of their skill but most of all because they demonstrated that man could indeed fly like the birds here's eddie backer and part of this flying circus in world war one another milestone in the history of

flight was this first dispatch of u.s mail by air and here's president wilson shaking hands with the pilot who's going to fly 26 miles in the wrong direction still another was the first ocean spanning solo flight of colonel charles lucky lindbergh in his famous plane the spirit of st louis and no one of course will ever forget the flights of will rogers and wiley post are those of amelia erhart and ruth nolans interest in rocket propulsion was being revived

and liquid propellants were being tested the pacific rocket society designed built and flew this wood burning rocket several years before uncle sam went into the rocket business the oxidizer was liquid oxygen and the only fuel was the billet of wood which comprised the body of the motor as you see it was not too successful well back to the old drawing board tomorrow is the

air compassionate st Kombi

i at the safe side look at it and look at it just hand touch your shirt disappearing overrode to the sky này bird which reached an altitude of more than eight miles cost the society a total of twenty two dollars and fifty cents to build to fuel and to launch thus making it somewhat cheaper than any of uncle sam's birds of similar range new high-speed planes of many varieties came into being

including a few successful jets some of these planes brought fame and fortune to their pilots while others brought only death nevertheless the struggle went on constantly to build planes that

would fly faster or higher or farther or would carry more payload than any plane had ever done before different types of planes were designed and built some to carry passengers some for freight and others just to carry bombs several new types of wing configuration appeared in experimental

planes one of the most surprising of these was the douglas gillard wing plane which had no visible tail or guide surfaces and yet managed to fly quite well

in spite of the tremendous amount of effort enthusiasm and capital investment which had gone into the development of the airplane it was already becoming obvious that man would not long be satisfied with any mode of transportation that was limited to the atmospheric envelope about the earth as was any plane that required air to feed its engines and to support its wings having learned to fly man now demanded a much greater area in which to practice his newly acquired ability and so he turned again to the rocket which requires no air for its operations these are some of the early flights of the x-15 at the white sands proving grounds near las cruces new mexico a number of partially completed v2 missiles which had been acquired by the u.s army and the capture of pini mundi at the close of world war ii were tests were put together with some improvements in fuel and guidance instrumentation these hopped up missiles

were launched at the navy blockhouse as a part of the blossom project which soon had cameras mice and monkeys soaring into space some of them even came back alive the piston engine plane was

now all but obsolete man soon tires of even his most costly toys and he discards them as thoughtlessly as a small child discards his here in this graveyard of rust and corrosion are more than a thousand millions of dollars worth of abandoned airplanes most of which have flown fewer hours than were required to build them more than a thousand millions of dollars worth some of them are only a few hours long flying time jet planes jet planes were subject to the guidance and control of the pilots but the rocket had not yet carried man with it and the ground control systems used to guide it left much to be desired here on the hawaiian island of kauai the regulus 1 missile program was designed to improve the electronic control systems then available the missiles were controlled from planes which flew above and behind them the regulus 1 was a subsonic missile of limited range which had a powerful solar Worth jugularça offers a way to Project Oreo Ship to currently

relatively little significance as a military weapon, but which did become an excellent vehicle for the development and testing of radio-operated control systems. It was not a true rocket because it required air force operation and support, but these same properties enabled it to remain within the range of the control plane for much longer periods than would have been possible with a true rocket which must follow a ballistic trajectory. Also, it enabled the test vehicle to return safely to earth to be refueled and used again, which would not have been possible with a true rocket. It was this group of missile men who adopted the motto, what goes up must come down gently.

You see how gently these do come down. Here is a control plane taking off. We put in a few launchings just so you could see what the Regulus 1 looked like. When it was being launched, this is on standard speed and it's in view for a very short time. It was overexposed and because the island of Kauai is a beautiful place, we think you should see the way it really looks. We took another shot with the proper exposure just to show how the how it actually looks. Now this is the Regulus 1 taking off. That's the booster. The sustainer is smokeless. And here they come back after the journey, still under control, still operating, still under control by the control planes behind them. There's no individual inside that crocodile, the Regulus 1. It's every motion it makes is controlled by radio from the planes behind it. You actually see how gently it comes down, touches the earth, a breaking parachute pops out. That is, it emits a parachute.

Now that space probes could be precisely and dependably controlled from either the ground or the vehicle, the imagination of man began to create extensive plans for deep space travel.

Meanwhile, most of the spaceships which were envisioned in these plans were never actually built the engineering data which was created as a part of these plans became very useful in computing the courses of those vehicles which were subsequently built the plans shown here for a manned expedition to the moon were engineered charted drawn and photographed some 10 years before the first

butnik went into orbit it shows a multi-stage the artist concept of a multi-stage missile being fired we do it just about the same way now except we don't have the three main braces there's jettison of the nose cone this just shows the data being radioed to the spacecraft and from the spacecraft the exchange of communication while it's in the air this is the artist concept of the data coming down to earth to the laboratory this is one of the big dishes which picks it up these are the computing the banks of computers which collect the data this is just the artist's concept remember this was done 10 years before the first butnik went into orbit it's the first launching orbit here then there's the kick in the apogee as they call it the starting of the motors again at the highest point of flight to make a circular orbit as soon as that circular orbit has been completely established and charted then the pursuit vehicle is launched

as you see here it makes one of the narrower orbits then the motors are started at the highest point or the apogee and it is then follows the maneuver known as rendezvous this is a maneuver known as docking the actually physical connecting of the objects this was just to refuel the original vehicle and there it goes on its lunar trajectory here the approach to the moon here the reverse thrust the turning of the motor towards the moon the reverse thrust to slow down the movement of the object this is the turn on the motor and the direction which is the axis is

a little bit different from what we're used to seeing when it's moving if we put it up in space it's going to be a little bit more linear and the motion of the object is going to be a little bit less linear and it's going to be looked at very high altitudes and that's a very good observation and there's a really cool model in the lab at the end of the lab took a photo and was very impressive when it's in space and made it specially designed and that's what the to basically says it's not like in space it's not like in space it's like in space it's like in space it's not just like this thing was gone and filmed 10 years ago and they went up to the moon and they took up a little gadget and the that little gadget was shown here is amazingly like the one we actually landed on the was gone and filmed ten years before the first putney in the meantime there had burst upon the

world a scientific achievement which had such tremendous potential for good or for evil that even the most capable of scientific minds were somewhat stunned by the impact the nucleus of the atom released energy that was a million times more concentrated than that from any source previously known and its potential for destruction staggered the imagination of all mankind the fact that one bombing plane could now carry in its belly more explosive energy than had been

released by all of the bombs dropped by all of the sides in all of world war ii was difficult to accept and impossible to understand yet one fact did emerge which was undeniable in its stark simplicity and certainty nice the little black spots in the front they are full-sized battleships they were anchored five miles in front of the explosion it took about 10 seconds so that explosion is moving outward about half a mile per second it took about 10 seconds for them to be engulfed in the explosion in several of these you'll you'll find these little battleships if you see little dark specks in front of camera at sea level they're battleships it gives you some idea of the tremendous size there again you'll see a couple of battleships being engulfed by an explosion if a third world war should erupt and if these weapons were used to their fullest potential as they almost certainly would be then no significant portion

of our present civilization could possibly survive the holocaust which would result predictions of the imminent end of civilization and even of all human life on this planet were freely and repeatedly made by philosophers and scientists whose accepted position in society caused their opinion to be respected it seemed that mankind as a whole was in greater danger than he had ever been before these pictures are made from 20 miles away 20 miles away from the

action explosion excuse me some ideas in magnitude in his extremity man began to look through the

heavens has been his habit since time began but now he was looking to the heavens for two reasons first it was the region in which he hoped soon to explore in his own spaceship and second it was the area from which he hoped consciously or unconsciously that help would come in the solution of his seemingly insoluble problems as man looked upward with mixed feelings of

expectation and apprehension he did indeed begin to see strange signs and wonders in the sky some of these may have been there before and just not been noticed while others perhaps were there in direct response to man's need in any event they opened a new era in human consciousness which has become known in technical language as the age of the ufo but which is better known to the general public simply as the age of the flying saucer objects whose appearance and performance were incompatible with any known earthly phenomena or technology were seen in all parts of the world they stimulated human reactions in every range from mirth sarcasm and ridicule to amazement awe and apprehension in the middle were those who were simply curious and interested but not emotionally involved both authorities and laymen in all walks of life felt the need to express their opinions

these opinions were of course as widely varied as the nature of the people who expressed them the timid sought refuge in earthly explanations even though many of the explanations were far more fantastic and incredible than the absurd data which they purported to explain the objective realist sought to explain everything in terms of earthly experience and knowledge even most of the scientists preferred to ignore the possibility that any alien race might have achieved scientific ability somewhat greater than their own photographs of strange objects were taken in all parts of the country and in fact in all parts of the world the fact that most of them do not show sharp and clear images has been cited as evidence that they were unreal or fabricated The true fact is, however, that in most cases the poor quality of the photograph was probably due to the excitement of the photographer and his consequent lack of ordinary care in making the exposure.

In any event, there are in the world today more than 10,000 known photographs of objects in the sky which seem to defy most earthly explanation.

New pictures continue to accumulate throughout the world at the rate of 25 to 50 per week. Only a few of these, however, are ever seen by any but the most dedicated investigator who is willing to spend his own time and his own money in seeking them out.

A great deal of suspicion and ridicule and many outright accusations of fraud have been directed against those who have published useful pictures.

And this fact, of course, greatly increases the... ...reluctance of those who have good pictures to make them public. Most of these are still shots, they're just shots taken of...

...and this, of course, is an artist's drawing made from a description by an eyewitness of the act.

Some scientists have made determined efforts to explain all UFOs in terms of meteorological phenomena, whether or not that phenomena actually exists in nature.

Here, a scientist named Philip Klaas is explaining that most, if not all UFO sightings... ...are probably due to spheres of incandescent plasma, which are seldom, if ever observed in nature, and which are difficult to produce even under precisely controlled laboratory conditions.

Here you see the tremendous lengths gone through to try to explain a UFO. These are little balls of plasma, a couple of inches across, being produced in a bell jar, an almost total vacuum which is necessary to produce these things, with very high energy.

They last for usually a fraction of a second. They last for usually a fraction of a second. They last for usually a fraction of a second. Sometimes two or three seconds. And yet, Klaas's classic corona, as the concept has come to be known, attempts to explain all UFO sightings.

Here's one of our Air Force generals explaining that actually these things seen are not any known Air Force phenomena.

They all exhibit peculiar motions that are seldom captured with any degree of precision. They all exhibit peculiar motions that are seldom captured with any degree of precision. But they're undoubtedly swamp gas or weather balloons.

Here is the weather balloon, which has been used to explain so many UFO sightings. Personally, I have seen many, many weather balloons. Personally, I have seen many, many weather balloons. I have never yet seen one that looked like anything but a weather balloon. Here is a picnic party in the woods that apparently has come across an unusual sight.

It's attempting to get pictures under conditions of extreme excitement.

This is probably a lenticular cloud, or... This is probably a lenticular cloud, or... cloud or perhaps a hallucination. Hardly high-flying Canadian geese, however. You'll notice the

peculiarity of this is there seems to be a tremendous amount of sunlight reflecting from one portion of that as it scans the ground. If you observe closely, you can see little vertical bars of light detaching themselves from the main light and moving around toward the right, around the periphery of that object as it scans the ground with a circular scanning motion. But in any event, whether or not the Earth man is assisted by alien intelligence, he will eventually build the huge spaceships which will be his permanent home as he goes sailing out in the depths of space in search of his ultimate destiny.

Time has slipped away much more rapidly than we would like. I said I would describe a little of the process by which self-contained ships... ...will be built. Some of these are already on drawing boards. In fact, we have one almost

completely engineered which will be launched within the next 10 years. You've probably heard about this a number of times because it's still a relatively small capsule. It is designed to carry three astronauts to Mars, not to moonshot, which will come about, we hope, before... ...the end of 1969. But within 10 or 12 years, we will have one to Mars. It will orbit Mars a time or two. Did you want to say something, John? ...that it exists. I haven't... Our spies over there haven't given us a complete report

on what they're actually doing yet. We've heard something about the fact that they're going to attempt to bypass cumbersome space efforts by going directly to the true method

of space propulsion. We've heard about the space-based rocket technology. We've heard there's going to be an

ancient, yet very complicated, technology, which is going to increase space travel. We

have no idea what it's going to do. It's just...it'll be lost. We don't know. We've never heard about that. We haven't heard a bit. We haven't heard a lot about it. We haven't heard about since that time. We have improved all of the components. We've made stronger combustion chambers. We've improved slightly the shape of the Venturi. And we have produced fuels with considerably higher specific impulse. But we haven't done anything to improve the basic concept. We are still propelling a rowboat by throwing rocks over the stern. Anyone can do this. It's a well-known physical principle of reaction. If you put some rocks in a rowboat and push it out into a lake, you can propel a rowboat by throwing the rocks over the stern as long as you've got any rocks left to throw. But it is not a concept that would be adopted by an intelligent man if he were aware of other possibilities. There are too many inherent limitations. In the first point, if a

long journey were proposed, the biggest problem would be to find enough room in the boat to store the required number of rocks. We have the same problem in rocketry, and we solve that by building a whole series of boats. We build one tremendously large boat, and first we throw all the rocks out of that, and then we throw the big boat away, and we start throwing them out of the rocks out of the smaller boat. Well, it does work, but it isn't a very economical or very efficient process. And we should have gone to gravitic propulsion a long time ago, and we would have if we hadn't been so hipped up on rocketry, and if we hadn't still been laboring under the impression that gravity can manifest itself only as an attraction. The attraction between bodies of matter, rather than as the electric field and magnetic field, it can also exhibit a repulsion between bodies of matter just as readily as an electrical field and magnetic field

can. We say that gravity can't because we haven't yet ever seen it do it, although we do now both in the nucleus of the atom and at intergalactic distances, we do see the repulsion of gravity acting. But up until recently, we had seen only the attraction, so we probably wouldn't have seen the attraction. We had postulated that gravity could manifest itself only as an attraction, forgetting all the time that we said the same thing about magnetism for 2,000 years.

For 2,000 years we had only the lodestone, and we postulated that every lodestone attracted every other lodestone, and every lodestone attracted every bit of iron, so magnetism could manifest itself only as an attraction. It wasn't until recently, historically, that we learned to draw copper wire and put insulation on the copper wire and wind it around it so that it would fit the magnetism. And we'll be fine with that. But it was always good to have that attraction. So we thought, well, we'll just put that in the planning process. So we did have to give it some time to sort of deal with that. And of course we did. round soft iron and suddenly we discovered to our amazement that we could produce a repulsion with magnetism just as easily as we could in attraction and it was just as normal a part of of the action of magnetism we haven't quite learned how to do it with a gravitational field and so we're still inclined to say it's impossible but science today knows that it is possible

scientists are working toward the polarization of a gravitational field we will have gravitic

hardware in the air ourselves in this country within not more than three years from now i don't mean that we'll have spaceships going to the moon mars or venus in three years using propulsion but we will have hardware in the air whether we will be ahead of the british effort or not i don't know but they are putting their eggs in a different basket in the hopes of sidestepping our cumbersome rocket problem program and personally i hope they succeed i mean whether they get ahead of us or not it's time that we did go to a more logical concept than reaction propulsion but the questions that you see in everyone's mind when you

talk about a ship that can go into space and never have to return to a planet we're too accustomed to thinking that we can only exist on a planet we are tied to the surface of this planet and we think oh what a terrible fate it would be to go out into space and not return to this planet we could return to it anytime we chose but after we got a little used to space it's unlikely that we'd ever choose to return to a planet we have a television program going on called the invaders and every time i lecture anywhere someone asked me what i thought about this program and i had never seen it until relatively recently but so many people asked me about it i thought in fairness to the public i should look at a few programs and see what it was all about so i did take occasion to watch a few and of course it relates to some invaders from somewhere else that are proposing to take over this planet to make it their home

and in the first place this is illogical in essence because no race that ever achieved sufficient command of space to come here from great distances away would ever be content to live on a planet again we might think of them with a little pity and say oh they're confined in a ship only a few miles long and their movements are restricted we forget that they can start for the other end of the galaxy anytime they want well we say their movements are restricted they only have a few thousand cubic yards a piece to move around in and so it would be a terrible life to live in that spaceship but those living in the spaceship look down on us trapped on the surface of this planet and they say oh those poor primitive beings they haven't developed any technology yet they're still grubbing around on the surface of their planet they can't escape from it they're subject to cyclones tornadoes whirlwinds floods heat waves droughts earthquakes tornadoes every

single cataclysm that nature can inflict upon them they have to struggle to survive because they can't do anything about it and here we live calmly and peacefully in our spaceships we control our temperature to a tenth of a degree exactly as we want it we control the humidity at all times to a tenth of a percent we even control our gravitational force to exactly what is best for our circumstances we control every aspect of our environment to the greatest degree and those poor beings down there can't do any of this yet they still talk about the weather but they don't do much about it they don't do much about it they don't do much about it so i'm sure they would feel even more pity than we and i'm sure that no race that had ever truly mastered space would ever consider going down and living on a planet again any more than we would actively consider going into central australia or central brazil and living as the aborigines do there who

haven't yet achieved the bow and arrow who are still limited to stone axes are 20 000 years behind us and development even though they are within eight hours easy aircraft travel from some of our greatest centers of civilization and a true spaceman would no longer think of coming down and living here just for his own comfort and we would think of going into the jungles of central australia or central brazil and living with the natives there so i don't think the

invaders is very logical program from that respect there's another illogicality i don't think they're ever going to succeed in the first place they haven't nearly enough life tenacity we're pretty tough creatures down here you can shoot us or you can cut us or you can tear us almost into shreds and if you get us to the hospital quick enough the doctors will sew us together and put in a spare part here and there and pretty soon we'll be almost as good as new these poor invaders if you even hit them in the shoulder with a bullet they explode into a puff of dust they don't have nearly the life tenacity necessary to get along on this tough old planet down here and they don't seem to have any real particular technology available it never seems to overcome ours somehow so i just don't think they're going to make it and i don't see why they should be trying but to get back just briefly i've already spent more minutes

than i was going to but it is a subject here which people should understand because it affects it's going to affect their whole their whole life and their whole future we're soon going to be independent of this planet we are proposing to send a three-man space capsule to the vicinity of mars orbit mars a couple of times in return there's no plan to let it go land or attempt to land on that first trip they'll just orbit a few times if they're intelligent beings there will probably start a saucer flap on mars people see this thing going around and wonder what it is and of course authorities will explain that it's just high flying well they don't have any canadian geese on mars that i know of but uh swamp gas or something of the sort but they will then come back return to earth but the trip will take between 14 and 18 months most of you probably heard something about this in newspapers or magazines that is

a reference to these plans that are already well underway the thing that almost nobody tells you and i've never seen it in print is the fact that although that trip will take between 14 and 18 months and have three astronauts aboard when they take off from this planet they will have air food and water enough for those three astronauts for about three weeks that's all that's all they can possibly carry they can't possibly get any more than that aboard that crap so the question is what happens when the air food and water runs out and of course it doesn't run out more than the air food and water has run out on this planet in the last 500 million years that animals have been using it just circulates we breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide so the air isn't very good to breathe again and if there wasn't things called plants on this planet animal life would have ceased two million years ago at least

but we have a plant that takes in carbon dioxide and gives off oxygen and in using the carbon in its own growth the plant grows and eventually becomes food for the animal and so for some reason we don't know how the animal will survive because carbon dioxide is sick so we are not sure how that will affect the environment and it's not going to be the same way in the future or only one way because it will not survive and we don't know how that will affect the environment but we are not sure what the future will be until the second cycle of life is complete these same cycles of ecology are being built into spacecraft they require only one thing a constant input of energy this planet gets that energy from the sun and so will the spaceship as long as it's in the vicinity of this solar system it will get its energy from the sun just as this planet does the whole point being that when that free astronaut capsule comes back from mars 14 or 18 months later depending on when it's launched i'm sure

The astronauts will have an advanced case of claustrophobia, better known as cabin fever. They may not even be speaking to each other. We hope they won't cut each other's throats before they get back. But they will have on board just as much air, just as much food, and just as much water as they had the day they left. They won't lack for that. Now, when you take a small capsule and you multiply it by a few thousand times until you get a spaceship of the size of the Queen Mary, say, for instance, which we could easily build today, even with the technology we now have, we could not build it on Earth. We would have to build it in a parking orbit. But all of our space technology is oriented in that direction. You'll notice the significance on this film. Ten years before the first satellite went into orbit, there were already plans put on film for rendezvous, for docking, for refueling, one of these things in space.

Today we have done. All those things we have demonstrated we can put one piece of mechanism into orbit and approach it with another, actually mechanically connect the two. At that point, an astronaut gets out in a spacesuit with tools in his hand showing that he could tighten bolts or do welding or whatever was necessary in actually building those parts together in space. So we have demonstrated the ability to build a spaceship of any size we choose in a parking orbit. It doesn't require any energy. Once you put it up there, it'll just go on orbiting from then on. You bring them. Sometime later, you bring up another piece and attach it, and then you bring up the next piece and attach it, and so on. It would be an expensive process at our present level of space development. We could build a 10,000-ton spaceship in orbit. It would be very costly. It would cost probably almost as much as six months of the Vietnam War.

If we could find some way to liquidate that war and decided to spend the money we're spending on it, on a spaceship, we could build a 10,000-ton spaceship in orbit. We could populate it with 100 people. We could then bring up fuel and what food is necessary to keep the ecological cycle going. We could launch that ship from this Earth, and it would never have to return. It would go on generation after generation as the center of its own civilization, its own population, its own people. It would become a planetoid of its own, completely independent of this planet or any other. There are many problems that will come to your mind that say, I don't have the time to answer. After all, they have all been considered. The answers to all of them are known or are being actively pursued. We know that it is not now a question of inspiration, only of perspiration. So we know that we can solve these problems, and within the next generation we will.

When a scientist says you'll never be visited from another star system because it would require X number of years to get here and nobody's going to spend that much time just coming to visit this Earth, they forget. They forget that the galaxy probably teems in all parts of it with billions upon billions of such tremendous spaceships that have been built by other intelligent races anywhere from a few thousand to several millions of years ago, and that these are now the homes. You don't have to look through a telescope and see a point of light and say, well, there's the sun, maybe it has some planets, and maybe those planets have life. That life can exist in any part of the galaxy. If it isn't beyond a certain size and doesn't give off light of its own, you won't see it through a telescope. If it's more than 900 or 1,000 miles away, or if it's moving fairly rapidly, you won't get a focus on a telescope. So when they say we'll never be visited,

they forget that the nearest spaceship right now may be 900 miles away in the shadow of this planet, and there may be 1,000 spaceships between here and Alpha Centauri all populated, they may or may not have any interest in us. The spaceship that comes into the vicinity of this planet was probably not built for the purpose of visiting this planet. The people didn't get into it for the purpose of visiting this planet. They live in that spaceship. Its arrival in the vicinity of this planet is only one minor incident in the lives of whatever beings happened to be aboard at the time, and if they see that this planet is obviously occupied and is beginning to develop the rudiments of technology, they might become interested enough to dip in and take a little look. Having taken a look, they might feel that they might be able to assist us a little bit in solving some of our problems. They might or might not be interested enough

to attempt a landing or to attempt communication. But we can be and have been observed as far back as the written history of man goes. There have been constant references in every language in which history is written of these observations. It's only been our own tremendous ego up to the point where we've been present time that has prevented us from accepting this fact as a race there have always been certain people who accepted it history again as far back as written has been full of people that have seen these landings have experienced communication and so forth but it was only accepted by them and a few of their immediate friends who were present at the time because the ego of the person who is not seen is not going to permit him to accept that which someone else has seen but now we have rapid enough communication so that this knowledge is spread around and we are reaching

finally a point in our development where we can accept it we're reaching a point where we have to accept it because we're about to do the same thing ourselves please be seated remain for a few

minutes until the officers get back there the photographer will take pictures i want to thank dr fry on behalf of our unit here for you a wonderful informative and thought-provoking talk as well as a most interesting picture history of flight and so right now will all the officers return to the rear of the building and have our picture and then i'll come back here we'll have the intermission and refreshments followed by

the second part of the program a drawing for a door prize questions and answers and the conclusion thank you why not speed up man's face vehicles so that he can travel in much shorter time instead of 18 months why not 18 days and so forth the problem is that our technology is not yet capable of doing this we undoubtedly will in the not too distant future but as long as we're using rockets there is a maximum speed that

we can employ in our present technology and so we'll have to wait a generation or two for faster speeds now it is remarkable how much we have increased the speed at which man can travel in

the last 60 years 60 years ago the average automobile had one or two cylinders and

traveled at 15 or 20 miles per hour and 30 miles per hour is considered very high speed and some people complained about it being against the laws of god for man to hurtle through the air at the inconceivable speed of 30 miles per hour today we launch vehicles toward mars and venus and the moon at speeds in excess of 30 000 miles per hour

so in 60 years we have increased the top speed at which man can travel by a factor of more than 1 000 times in 60 years there is no evidence whatever that curve of increase will flatten out at any point in the future on the contrary every evidence is that the curve will steepen even more because it always has increased the speed at which man can travel by a factor of more than 1 000 times in 60 years and that means that within the next 60 years we can look forward confidently to achieving speeds of at least 60 million miles per hour and if you think 60 million miles per hour is a little startling it isn't nearly as startling to you as the proposed speed of 30 000 miles per hour would have been to your great-grandfather or your great-grandmother in fact she wouldn't have considered for a moment she would have just thanked you and put you to bed without supper for such

ridiculous ideas i always have to explain that this is singular not plural i have had contact with only one individual who was not born on this planet that individual is still around in fact for the last four years he has been a fairly respected citizen of this country although he doesn't spend too much time here he's usually in some part of asia wherever a crisis is brewing he's usually there he has acquired a perfect life he has an extremely normal appearing birth certificate in this country if you check up on the county in which the certificate is drawn you'll find there a duly filed duplicate of that certificate if you inquire around in the vicinity you'll find a few people who remember the youth of this individual none of them have ever met him in their lives but they remember him i mean the memory has been implanted in their mind to give him a cover that couldn't be broken by any degree of investment

investigation he has an unbreakable cover it took more than four years it was estimated first it would take four years to overcome the differences between his environment and ours it actually took a little closer to five years but it has been accomplished it was accomplished more than four years ago and during that time he has taken up residence here he is now indistinguishable from

any of our own citizens the last time i saw him i flew in a united airlines plane with him from medford oregon to sacramento california he was then on his way to a conference with three members of the governing body of the state of california among whom one of them was a gentleman named ronald regan whom i had the good fortune to be acquainted with sometime before he went into politics but he had i don't think ronnie knows you his origin his origin although he does know him fairly well now he was proposing to go from there and already had plane tickets in his pocket to go from there to new delhi india there's from san francisco to new delhi he expected to be there about eight days from there he proposed to go to peking in china where he expected to be for about two weeks and he was going from there to moscow where he expected to be for about two months this was a year ago last september i don't know where he is now since there are a constant succession of crises in some part of

europe or asia he probably hasn't returned here yet the only task he has there is that of defusing

these crises or assisting in defusing the crises this is done not by walking up to mao zi tong for instance the same look mao i'm a spaceman and so you better listen to what i said i'm going to be saying the impact on the mind and on the decision can be done from a distance he doesn't have to be actually facing the individual at all but he can modulate to a certain extent that individual's thoughts and implant within that mind the thoughts that need to be implanted to bring reason and logic to bear on the situation and usually the individuals react in the proper manner i think

probably that the fact that this civilization still exists can be attributed to the existence of alon and a few other similar beings that have been here for some years now most scientists and most

philosophers of the 1950s early 1950s were very pessimistic they thought that this civilization was doomed and few of them expected that they ever last as long as 1960s most of the scientists and philosophers of the 1950s were very pessimistic they thought that this civilization was doomed and few of them expected that they ever last as long as 1950s most of the scientists and philosophers of the area about 1954 predicted that this civilization would go up and smoke about 1958 or 1959 do you think the space people will contact us in mass or on a worldwide scale in our own lifetime if so how do you think they will do it i have no knowledge on this i don't know why space people should contact us in mass i usually the question is but when will we be able to do this i don't know why space people should contact us in mass i usually the question is but when will we be able to do this i don't know why space people should contact us in mass i usually the question is but when will we be able to do this i don't know why space people should contact us in mass i usually the question is but when will we be able to do this i don't know why space people should contact us in mass i usually the question is but when will we be able to do this i don't know why space people should contact us in mass i usually the question is

We all know that they exist. The answer to that is everyone that's prepared to know or prepared to accept the possibility they exist already has ample evidence before him to make that assumption. And so those that are prepared to make it have already made it. The people who haven't made it are only people whose ego is still so tremendous that they can't accept the possibility of any being that might be superior in knowledge or intelligence to them. And they would never accept it regardless of the amount of evidence available. A mass landing here I think would occur only as a result of a tremendous crisis here, as a result of a worldwide nuclear war or something of the sort where people had to be taken off the planet, then there might be a mass landing. I think that we will, other people have asked, when will we as a planet be invited to join the Galactic Confederation? And the answer to that is we'll get the invitation

just as soon as we have demonstrated the ability to get along with ourselves. We can't be expected to get an invitation to join a confederation, a galactic confederation, when we haven't yet displayed any ability to get along with ourselves on this planet. I think as soon as we do we will receive that invitation.

Did the President travel in a blue-colored spaceship or was it blue inside it? Out of this one, does the color blue mean the space people?

There's a lot of this question that I'm not aware of. President Eisenhower presumably did the operator of the spacecraft,

which was set down at Edwards Air Force Base some years back for a period of three days. It's something that I did research and it left no doubt in my mind that the event actually occurred. We had a few members of Understanding working at Edwards Air Force Base. At the time, an Understanding member was in Palm Springs and knew the lady who owned the motel at which the presidential party presumably stayed. And she said that Mamie did come into the motel, that Ike never did, that he came from the airport to the motel. A black limousine came also with them. They took the bags out, took them into the motel, and Ike got into the other limousine, took off, and didn't come back until it was time to pick up Mamie three days later. There was a lot of this evidence. There was nothing that was positive proof of anything. There was a tremendous amount of evidence, all of which pointed in the direction of this happening.

But I didn't get any evidence that indicated that the ship was blue or what color it was either outside or inside. So this apparently is information that somebody else had or put forth about the color of the ship. And so I'm not sure. I mean, we'd have to contact the police. I mean, we'd have to contact the police. I mean, we'd have to contact the police. I mean, we'd have to contact the police. I mean, we'd have to contact the police. I mean, we'd have to contact the person who decided that it was blue either inside or outside or both in order to find out what the color meant. I don't think there's any question that the contact did occur. I have in my memoirs three letters from Eisenhower while he was president. And while these didn't give a great deal of specific information, they did indicate a tremendous degree of interest. And he was always very interested in understanding. In fact, understanding has the honor of being the originator of the people-to-people program,

which Eisenhower originated in the White House. He originated that as a direct result of receiving and reading material that we had sent him. He gathered some of his friends together in the White House and gave a little speech to them in which he said the most important thing in the world today is understanding. It's the thing that the world needs more than anything else, and it's something that we should do, and it's something that we ought to do, and it's something that we ought to do. And he proceeded to give this little speech, which is a word-for-word reading of our founding material. And if you get the little book on people-to-people, it tells of its organization. I don't know whether you can still get the book or not. We got the copy some years ago. The material he used was a word-for-word quotation from our material, which he had acknowledged by personal letter about a week before that. And the first year of the people-to-people program, they used the same symbol.

They used the clasped hands around the world symbol. That's the symbol that we had used in understanding. This annoyed a lot of people because they said, Well, gee, he's plagiarizing. Why doesn't he call us in and let us carry the ball and give us some money and let us start the people-to-people program? Well, I know why he didn't. Because we had a lot of other interests. Most of our members were interested in metaphysics and various angles of metaphysics. And he felt that this might tend to keep some people from joining this group or becoming interested. He thought the most important thing, and quite correctly, was person-to-person contacts throughout the world. And so he took that portion of our concepts, that portion of our ideas bodily out and used himself with his own group. But his founding speech was taken directly from our material. If you read his acceptance speech on his second inauguration, the second inaugural speech reprinted verbatim part of this speech in our magazine

because it was a direct quotation from our material. He said, My efforts, my primary efforts during this second term will be devoted principally to the bringing about of a greater degree of understanding between all the peoples of the earth, beside which everything else fades into insignificance. That is a direct quotation from his inaugural speech. And it's also a direct quotation from the understanding founding material which he quoted verbatim. And during the next three years, every talk he gave, in public, the word understanding was emphasized very strongly in every single speech, no matter what it was about. I have a whole series of clippings of these speeches. Every time the newspaper came out with the statement that Eisenhower had given a speech, I immediately bought the paper and looked. I thought, well, how did he get understanding at this time? And it was in there every time. Even in one case where he gave a short speech at the opening of a new power plant

down in Tennessee on the TVA, Tennessee Valley Authority plant. He was just giving a little speech on the opening of this plant, and he got it in very prominently, the necessity for understanding in that speech. So, understanding is really accomplished a lot more than most of its members realize. Has anything new or conclusive been found regarding the Socorro, New Mexico landing?

I don't know what more new or conclusive could be found. The device landed there. It left holes in the ground. We visited the area personally, and took motion pictures. I was speaking of the largest motion picture library we have. It contains pictures of these holes in the ground, the area of the Socorro landing, and a picture of the town from the spot, and the scenery round about. The police officer left no doubt in the minds of other people who talked with him that this did actually occur. He had no reason for making this up. And the flash was seen by the people, and the approach was seen by other people. There's no real substantial question that it occurred. The only thing then is, so what? I mean, what was the significance? What was it landed there for, and so forth? And I don't think that this has ever been discovered. But the fact that it did occur, I think, was accepted by almost everyone from the beginning,

so there isn't much more that could be learned about it. There's a TV program called Star Trek, which deals with adventures of a group of people living and traveling in space while patrolling the universe. It is interesting you mentioned the probability of space travel by people of other planets on an extended basis, such as being suggested by this program. Yes, I think it is a fact that lends itself to recognition by almost any person who works deeply in space. The fact that space is not just an avenue, a way of getting from one planet to another, it is an environment in itself, and it is an environment with much greater possibilities and can be found on the surface of one planet. We hear a lot about how we'll all be standing on each other's shoulders in a couple of more generations because of the population explosion and how terrible this will be. Well, of course, there's many answers to this. We can stop exploding the population any time we decide to.

This is not a natural cataclysm that comes upon man. It requires a close cooperation of at least two people to produce every new person that exists here. So we have the inherent power within ourselves to control the population any time we decide to do it. But we're also forgetting the fact that there are a million times as much airy in space as there is on the surface of all of the planets in the galaxy. So when we begin to move in space, we won't really be crowded for space, there'll be plenty of it. I think this is all the questions we have here. How many flying saucers have you seen? Well, I'm not sure that I've seen any flying saucers. It depends on how you define the term. And, of course, everyone defines it a little bit differently. I have seen perhaps four or five objects in the skies that would be difficult to explain in terms of earthly technology. And it's a little more difficult for me to explain them

in terms of technology, because I know that technology too well. I know what a plane can look like and what a plane can do in the air. I know what a weather balloon looks like and can do in the air. I know, for instance, the fact that if you observe a glowing object hurtling through the sky and you observe it for more than six seconds, it is not a meteorite, because meteorites aren't visible that long. People say, oh... I've seen many cases reported in newspapers where a person described a light flashing through the sky and he observed it for 25 or 30 seconds, and the reporter says,

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oh, well, it was probably a meteorite. Well, this is about as ridiculous a thing as a person can say. The average meteorite is in sight for less than a second, but some of them will be visible for two or three or four seconds. They come into this atmosphere at a minimum speed of nine miles per second, from that up to 27 or 50 miles per second. Depending on their original trajectory. And any object that is seen for more than five or six seconds in the sky is not a meteorite. If it's seen for more than ten seconds, it isn't re-entering space junk either. So the more you know about the way things can appear, the more means you have of proving that an object is not any of these. It doesn't give you any direct proof as to what it is. But I have seen at least on four or five occasions things in the sky that would be very difficult to explain in terms of earthly technology. It doesn't mean impossible, but very difficult.

I've only seen one on the ground that could be approached and touched. That is where the actual proof was at hand. I was asked to say a little bit about the future of civilization here, society here. We still have tremendous problems here that we haven't solved. And they threaten the very existence of civilization on this planet. It's still touch and go whether this civilization can really survive or not. Scientists have said, oh well, an advanced technology can't exist for more than a few decades anywhere. Therefore, there probably aren't very many advanced technologies in the galaxy because they would start over such tremendous periods of time, and they end up so quickly that an advanced civilization probably can't exist more than a few decades before it destroys itself. Well, we're not sure of that yet. We know that we're in a position where we're constantly in danger of total destruction by an agency which we ourselves have created.

And it poses a little sort of ridiculous problem. We have created a Frankenstein that now threatens to destroy us. It has become, possibly, the master instead of the servant. And we wonder how this can come about. And it comes about simply because we haven't yet established either the social science or the spiritual science as sciences. We still treat them as arts. We have established the material science as a science, and that is why it progresses about five times as fast as either the social or the spiritual science. We made it a science by formulating the area of mutual agreement in that area. That is, we had the topmost men in the physical science and physics began to get together all over the world in groups to determine the area of mutual agreement. That is, to determine and to document those concepts with which everyone agreed, however many or few they might be, with a list of rules, methods of procedure, natural laws, and so forth,

which the scientists said, with these we all agree. We find these to be self-evident and we accept these all. The result is that you can go into any country in the world today, you can go into Moscow, you can go into North Vietnam or into Cuba or anywhere else and buy a textbook on physics. These books are written by scientists of every race, creed, color, and political ideology. And yet you will find within every one of these books the same precise statements, the same precise rules or methods of procedure that are accepted by every scientist in the world regardless of his race, creed, color, or political ideology. They are the foundation that makes that a science. And it is a foundation from which you can proceed into the unknown. As soon as we begin to do this, we begin to formulate new concepts from the observation of new data or new phenomena, disagreements immediately begin to occur. That is, two scientists can look at the same phenomena

and one scientist will say, well, I think that means this, and the other scientist now says, no, I think you're wrong, I think it means something else. But they are both working from the same area of mutual agreement, which means that they can formulate specific tests which will demonstrate the relative merits of these two theories or more. And because these scientists all subscribe to the basis on which those tests were founded, they are all equally bound by the results of the test and must accept those results at least until still better theories or better tests are created. The result is there has never been a war or even a major disagreement in the scientific field. There's never been a war that started over a disagreement in the physical science. All wars start over disagreements in either the social or the spiritual science. We've never had a war over disagreement in the material or physical science because it is a science

and there are always ways to determine the relative merits of the two or more theories, and they are results that must be accepted by the people because they have both agreed with the basis of the test to begin with. We have never done this in the social or spiritual science. They are still treated as arts. We have men who possibly have the ability to articulate their idea of man's approach and attitude toward his fellow man, what these should be. And whenever a man creates such a theory, if that theory is published, he will have followers. They may be very few. They may be quite a large number. Our whole nations may subscribe to this concept of one individual. Almost none of these have ever been 100% correct. Some of them may be fairly successful. Some of them may be more successful. Some of them may be total failures. Some of them may lead whole nations into horrible destruction and loss. And yet this will still not bring about

any greater knowledge on the social science because these were just experiments. They were never created from any basis of mutual agreement or understanding. It's one of the tasks that understanding has undertaken to bring about a worldwide conference, not for the purpose of deciding what man should think, but only for the purpose of finding out what he does think. What are the areas of mutual agreement in the social science? With what postulates does everyone agree? With the condition of the world today, we would think that there were none and say, well, there's disagreement on every subject. But this is not true at all. I have traveled in many parts of the world. I've met people of practically every race, every color, every creed, every ideology, every economic position. And you find that it is amazing how much these people are alike all other people. They have the same hopes, the same needs, the same desires, the same fears.

It's obvious that the area of mutual agreement is far greater than the points of disagreement. If only that area of agreement were charted and documented, then the points of disagreement would fade into insignificance in comparison because the area of mutual agreement would be so much larger. But it has never been done. Whenever we have a conference between nations today, we have a conference to discuss things on which we disagree. And the two opponents proceed at arm's length and immediately each one tries to persuade or coerce the other to come over to his way of thinking. And so the conference is always at arm's length. Each one is being careful that he isn't sold a bill of goods, that he doesn't subscribe to the other person's belief because he's got to maintain his own. If you could have a worldwide conference not designed to determine what people should think at all but only what they do think about various postulates,

once they realized that this was true, that there was not going to be any attempt whatever to sell them any idea or ask them or persuade them to change their thinking about anything just to find out what they do think, I'm sure that everyone would be amazed how many points of mutual agreement there are in the world. And the very fact that this went on, for the first time, produced a mutual enterprise that could be entered into by all the people of the earth without any arm's length business, without any fear, and this fact that there was such a mutual enterprise would probably do more than anything has done for centuries to bring the people of the world together. It is one of the things that we're proposing and I didn't mean to make a sermon as a result of that one question. But we are in the future going to determine the areas of... social agreement and spiritual agreement. These will then be sciences in which we can proceed in a scientific manner.

About 90% of all of our problems and evils will disappear at that point because at least 90% of them are based on those problems. It will make a big difference once we can cease to spend 60 to 80% of our total human effort in devising and building means to destroy each other. And it's amazing how fast our standard of living can improve. We can't even dream of the type of living that we will have, the type of things that we can have for our use, for our comfort, for our education and entertainment. We now have an economy in which almost 80% of all human effort is devoted either to producing means of destroying our fellow man or of producing means to prevent our fellow man from destroying us. Almost 80% of it, if you check it carefully enough, of total human effort in this country today is devoted to one of these two things. We could have five times the consumer goods in this country we have now with the same effort that we are now producing, putting out.

And we will have as soon as we solve these problems. I think probably it's 11.30, maybe we should go. I will be back sooner or later. We can go on from there. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Fry.

The following is a speech by Mary Ann Francis

at Englewood Unit of Understanding on Saturday, January 25, 1969. I very seldom get down in the Southern California area. In fact, I don't know when I will next be coming down here, if at all. So for those of you who may have friends who would like to know about this lecture and were not able to get here tonight due to the flooding, we are going to put into print this particular lecture, that is, we, the Solar Light Center, of which I am director, and we will have it available by mail from our center within, I think, two or three months. Also, for those of you who are not acquainted with our work and our magazine, StarCraft, we would be happy to let you have a free sample copy from the book table of our last summer issue of StarCraft, if you would ask for it. Now, this particular lecture, Manifestation, I was impressed to write in the last few weeks since I came down from Oregon. We stand here at the beginning of 69, we of the Interplanetary Brotherhood,

at a crossroads, not of man's affairs, but of God's. The divine intelligence permeating all life forms will no longer tolerate puny man upon the surface of planet Earth, breaking the laws, cosmic in nature, whereby existence is made possible. Man must align all his many bodies or vehicles of expression, from the physical up to the spiritual, and become at one with the God-spark within, or go down into chaos. For a rending of the very substance of the Earth, as it divides between light and dark, is due to take place. Now, this material was given in a very recent transmission received last year from the Space Brothers by telethought transmission at our center in Southern Oregon. As most of you know, for over 20 years of modern times, craft from other planets have flown in the skies of Earth, and contacts both physical and telepathic have been made. Wisdom, much wisdom, has been imparted, warnings given, and solutions offered

to Earth's great crisis. Yet the law of non-interference in a planet's internal affairs has always been observed. Still, the growing crisis expands itself into all avenues of man's life on planet Earth. Economically, morally, socially, and spiritually bankrupt, man sees before him a chasm from which even his best and most respected leaders cannot extricate him. Very recently, as I'm sure most of you are aware, to add to the general confusion and lies which beset the average citizen, a body of scientists led by the eminent Dr. Condon published their long-awaited report on flying saucers. Their verdict was, there is no such thing. Hardly surprising, perhaps, in view of the fact that in a memo written before the project actually got underway, it was stated that the trick would be to describe the project so that to the public it would appear a totally objective study, but to the scientific community would present the image of a group of non-believers

trying their best to be objective, but having an almost zero expectation of finding a saucer. This was the memo written by Robert Lowe to the university officials on August 9th, 1966. Therefore we had the $500,000 trick of Dr. Condon's. The Condon report actually came to the conclusion, to quote from the newspaper article, that no direct evidence whatever of a convincing nature now exists for the claim that any UFOs represent spacecraft visiting Earth from another civilization. So all the sightings of interplanetary craft performing fantastic maneuvers at fantastic speeds in silent flight observed by the military, the Air Force, civil airline pilots, and millions of citizens are just a gigantic hallucination. As I remarked last year to the moderator on the Jim Fenwick show where I was interviewed in Portland, if this were true, that millions of people were hallucinating, then the United States must be a very, very sick nation.

I believe it is sick, even as the world is sick, but not that sick. When the Air Force arranged for this group of scientists headed by Dr. Condon to take over the highly controversial investigation of flying saucers, they also arranged to take off the heat. And that half-million-dollar trick of Dr. Condon's did that very nicely. Many scientists, it seems, can still be counted on to stick their heads in the sand, disregard volumes of evidence, and observe the status quo. Where does this leave the VIPs who are convinced of the existence of flying saucers out in left field? I'd like to quote just from a few VIPs who have believed, and not only believed, but have known of the existence of flying saucers into planetary craft from other systems and from other peoples. Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding in England said, the existence of these machines is evident, and I have accepted them absolutely. General Twining said, if they should come from Mars,

we should not be frightened. And Admiral Delmar Farney, former American Navy Missile Chief, in a press conference in 1957 said, reliable reports indicate there are objects coming into our atmosphere at very high speeds and controlled by thinking intelligences. General L.M. Chasson, former General Air Defense Coordinator, Allied Air Forces, Central Europe, NATO stated, if we persist in refusing to recognize the existence of these unidentified objects, we will end up one fine day by mistaking them for the guided missiles of an enemy and the worst will be upon us, which may be exactly what will take place. Albert Chopp, former Air Force press official handling UFO information at the Pentagon stated, one thing is absolutely certain, we are being watched by beings from outer space. And so it continues. Captain Ruppelt said, what constitutes proof? Captain Ruppelt incidentally was former head of U.S. Air Force Project Blue Book.

He said, does a UFO have to land at the river entrance to the Pentagon near the Joint Chiefs of Staff offices? Or is it proof when a ground radar station detects a UFO, sends a jet to intercept it, the jet pilot sees it and locks on with his radar, only to have the UFO streak away at phenomenal speed? Is it proof when a jet pilot fires at a UFO and sticks to his story even under the threat of court martial? Does this constitute proof? Dr. Walter Riedel, late director of Peenemunde Base, Germany, is it possible that the sources come from Venus using the side of the moon invisible to Earth as a base? And Dr. Herman Oberth, famous rocket scientist, stated, I believe extraterrestrial intelligences are watching the Earth and have been visiting us for millennia in their flying saucers. Professor Hideo Itokawa, Japanese scientist, flying saucers come from another world. I could continue. Dr. Carl Saigon, in a talk to the American Rocket Society,

said, I do believe there are objects that are unidentified. In an editorial by Dan Fry, the president of your organization and a very dear friend of mine in the Understanding Magazine of October last year, his editorial was UFOs in Congress. And he stated in this editorial that there was a symposium on unidentified flying objects, the subtitle of which was Hearings Before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, 90th Congress, the date July 29th, 68. This is a congressional record publication. However, it seems it's no longer available. It's out of print, mysteriously enough, although it only happened last July. I wonder why. The results of this symposium, if they come fully to the attention of the public, Dr. Fry stated in his editorial, should correct once and for all the widely held but mistaken impression that men of science are not interested in the UFO phenomena. The group which presented the testimony,

both in oral and written form, included Dr. J. Allen Hynek, head of the Department of Astronomy at Northwestern University, known as Old Swamp Gas to his friends and students, Dr. Hynek had for many years been the chief consultant to the U.S. Air Force on the subject of UFOs, Dr. James E. McDonald, senior physicist, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, and professor of meteorology at the University of Arizona, Dr. Carl Saigon, Department of Astronomy, Cornell University, Dr. Robert L. Hall, head of the Department of Sociology, University of Illinois, Dr. James A. Harder, associate professor of civil engineering whose subject was the UFO propulsion problem, Dr. Robert M. L. Baker, Jr., senior scientist of the Computer Sciences Corporation, Dr. Leo Sprinkle, University of Wyoming, Dr. Gary Henderson, senior research scientist, General Dynamics Corporation, and Dr. Staunton Friedman, Westinghouse Astronuclear Laboratory, Dr. Roger Shepard

of Stanford University, and Dr. Frank Salisbury of Utah State. Their testimony, together with the mass of documentary evidence which they presented, filled the entire 247 pages of fine print, which averages about 450 words per page, at a total of more than 100,000 words, plus a large number of photographs, charts, and diagrams. All of this testimony from scientists pointed unmistakably to the reality of the UFO phenomenon, and all of the scientists strongly recommended that serious and intensive study of the various phases of the UFO phenomenon should be undertaken at once. This was July of last year. It said all of the quasi-scientific objections which have been made in the past to the reality of the UFOs were considered and convincingly refuted. Nonetheless, in January, the Condon Report published their stupid, naive conclusions as to the non-reality of flying saucers. The Condon Report, however, went even further than simply denying

the existence of UFOs after deciding that, quote, no direct evidence whatever of a convincing nature now exists for the claim that UFOs represent, any UFOs represent, spacecraft visiting Earth from another civilization. This august and scientific body of men announced that they do not see any such comings and goings for another 10,000 years. How scientific. Please turn the tape over and change to the right side.