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1967 January 28th Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Hal Wilcox P165

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [06:00] Hal Wilcox on earlier experiences and context
• [30:00] Wilcox’s UFO account and later disclosure
• [01:20:00] Questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

Good evening. I want you to let me know right away if you can't pick up what I'm saying so we can adjust. Can you hear me? No. Where do you go? This reminds me a little bit of the Joe Pine show because you don't realize it, for the radio show that is,

but the microphone sits like a great big pumpkin right in front of your face, and you have to look over or under at the person on the other end of the table. Now, I've been asked here by Lee Yates approximately two weeks ago to speak concerning my experiences.

Now, as it has been indicated, I've had quite a few experiences. However, this evening we're interested specifically, in UFOs. So I'm going to confine myself to UFOs, but it's very difficult to exclude other experiences.

I've never been asked to be involved with UFO movements, either in small groups or in large groups. It has been brought out that I attended the Harmony Grove conventions over several years' time. And during those experiences, I was not talking concerning UFOs. But I was speaking concerning spiritual development. And then in the Round Robin, a publication by Riley Crabb, BSRA, Borderline Research Associates, it was written up that quite a few people were quite spellbound over the reactions. Now, this was not UFOs, but spiritual healings as a result of a stay I had in the Orient, specifically in a monastery.

So I have come here, and I would go any place within a monastery, for a reason, of course, to speak to any group, any number, that are seriously interested. I'm not talking about believers or acceptors of the idea, but just seriously interested. Now, this particular story that I'm telling you this evening dates back to 1951. I mention this particular point mainly because by saying 1951, it becomes clear that, that I did not say anything about this in 1952, 1953, all the way up to 1962. And it wasn't until 1965 that I was allowed to reveal the experiences that I had.

Now, as Mr. Yates has indicated, I was a schoolteacher, and I wasn't altogether pleased with the idea of revealing my identity or what I had done. So, at that particular point of departure, in October of 1965, I was invited by Florence Vericchio of the New Age Questors to come and speak to her group concerning Oriental philosophies that I encountered in the area of Japan, China. Now, during this particular lecture, after the break, the people came back and wrote questions concerning flying saucers. There wasn't a question there that pertained to Oriental philosophies, it didn't have anything to do with my talk, and so, by reason of these questions, we then went on to another two hours of talking about UFOs, which I had not anticipated. And also, I had no book on the subject, I didn't dare mention it. However, I am under orders and I have to state one of three things if any of you were to ask me a question, either give you directly the answer,

or simply say, I do not know, or tell you, I do not know, or tell you, I do not know, or tell you, I do not know, you I do not know and I will find out. The only other classification would be as if it would be security information and I would not be able to tell you even though I did know. So at that particular time, I was released to talk about UFOs. I didn't wish to. I don't know if you can appreciate that or not, but at any rate, I did not wish to speak about UFOs. The result of that lecture was Joe Pine grabbed the story and I had been on the show four times up to that point and I had not mentioned UFOs on his show for obvious reasons. However, I did agree to appear on a

coast-to-coast hookup, color TV, on Joe Pine's show and take a lie detector test and I felt that

with this lie detector test, it would clarify the entire matter that I was talking about UFOs. I did not wish to speak about UFOs. I did not wish to speak about UFOs. I did not wish to speak about UFOs. I did not wish to speak about UFOs. I did not wish to speak about Now, bear in mind that although I had been lecturing in other areas, I was really unprepared for the reactions to standing up and boldly saying to somebody, I have seen a UFO or I have been on one or had something to do with them. I had no idea what would happen. And so I took this lie detector test to establish the context as a fact and to ask anyone seriously interested in

in UFO activities or plobium, which is a substance of food, to overcome the disease called old age, to come forward. And as a reaction, no one came forward. However, I was besieged with telephone calls of all sorts. And so I retired from my office on Gower and went back to work. At that time, I was full-time devoted to this activity. And so I went back to work. I think it was an eight- or nine-hour-a-day job.

[06:00] Hal Wilcox on earlier experiences and context

And I've continued at that until up to recently. Now I'm back in teaching again. And since there have been no individuals indicating their interest in either of these areas, other than the FBI coming in repeatedly asking me to change my story and also periodically checking the rumors that seem to be spreading about me selling marijuana, it continued. And so I've become very friendly with the agents of the FBI just because of repeated contacts.

And I've tried to cooperate with the police departments in all the various areas which I've spoken so they know what's going on. It's the people that presuppose that when I say superconsciousness, immediately they think of LSD. And one of the first books, that I gave out, was dictated word for word by my contact. And I published that book right after receiving the book. I did not understand it myself at that time. And the word drug appeared quite frequently. And on the very first page, the title page, the cover, it stated the drug experience without drugs. And so naturally everybody assumed that I was in the drug business. And they wrote me, letters from all over the United States asking me to ship them a pound, a pound and a half of marijuana or whatever they seemed to think I had. This is not really too funny. So from this point of departure in 1965, we're going to approach. Now what I'm going to tell you tonight are only the most important experiences connected with the mission of Taboth on this planet.

Now this relates to sightings of UFOs. Now, I might go back over the same story. I might go back over the same statement again. The things that I say this night are not the only experiences that I've had. But the things I'm saying this night are the first and the most important things that I would consider to bring to your attention.

The first sighting that I had was in 1951. It was in Japan. It was a result of a seance taking place in an oriental temple. At the end of this particular seance, we were told, I was in trance, so I had to have this repeated back to me,

that if we went out, we would see a interplanetary machine go overhead. Now at that time, the word UFO was unknown to me. Spacecraft was unknown to me. And the only thing I could think of is that there were individuals on other planets and they were traveling to and fro. So this was a very slight encounter. But that was the first time that there was a contact of any sort. The next contact was a teacher who I had met, a physical man who lectured in the Hollywood area.

And I, after quite a few lectures, quite a few interviews, was accepted along with nine other students. And we followed his teachings for a year to the day. And the way he set it up was that if any person missed one meeting, he was dropped from the class. And at the end of the year, by chance or design, I was the only person remaining. And so I had to answer to nine other people as to what he told me. And these nine other people did not accept what I told them. He told me, in essence, to apply what I had learned and go onward in my studies. The people didn't wish to accept this. However, it took me three years in applying those instructions before I went to the next step, which I'm mentioning now. And that was contacting an ascended man from this particular planet we're on. This individual was contacted through automatic writings, which were a whole lot more beneficial to me than to go into trance and have somebody else tell me what took place,

or even to hear my own voice on a tape is a little bit disturbing. So the first contact that I had in the way of communication, was in the form of automatic writing. Now this was in, first in 1954. And information was given that eventually I would meet a representative from outer space, which was a complete turn to me. I didn't think in terms of Venus or Mars or Alpha Centauri. I just thought of here and there. And it was not until 1957, until I had the next encounter, which was contact with a light, contact with a light which told me to drop what I was doing and rise to the Orient and become a monk in a monastery where I eventually went. However, it took me 22 months before I got the Pope or the Shimbashura of that organization to respond. And at that time I was sitting across the table, so it took me approximately 12 to 14 months before I even learned that there is a Tenricio office in the city of Los Angeles.

And I did not learn until I came back from the monastery that it's possible to dial on the telephone information and ask for the Tenricio Church and get the telephone number. I didn't know that at that time, for I would never have spent all the months writing letters all over the world, asking, where is Tenri Onomikoto and where is the Kalodai? Tenri, I might say, means God and kyo means church. So when I say Tenri Kyo in Japanese, I'm saying God's Church in English. At any rate, I went to the Orient. At that same time of the departure, the Tenricio people came to my home and put a small shrine in my home, which produced, in our terms, psychic phenomena. The phenomena was in the form of a water vapor which left the glass, a water glass sitting directly in front of the little shrine, and immediately it came out of the glass and formed a conical cloud over the altar. Now I'm speaking of about a two or three minute lapse of time.

So I don't know if you can envision what we did, but that was the first thing. That was the very first encounter. At the same time, in the same year I mean, there was a ground to air sighting. And at this particular time, I had asked a police officer to come out and witness a traffic accident, which of course did not occur. However, the police officer, upon agreements between he and I and the rest of the group, agreed to kick each other in the shin, and to pinch each other in the arm and do all the accepted Air Force tests to cause UFOs to depart.

And so on this particular day, approximately 2 p.m., looking eastward from the junction of Dittman Avenue and Blanchard Place, we looked eastward at a 15-degree elevation and watched a UFO, a flying saucer, a spacecraft, whatever you choose, certainly not swamp gas, come into our area and descend over our heads. Now, I don't know if you can imagine what this would look like if you were sitting in your house, looking out on the street, seeing a police officer and a group of people standing in the intersection, kicking each other in the shins and pointing up in the air. But this is exactly what took place. Now, I don't know if I need to tell you or not, but the following day, the police officer didn't even know me. He had no memory whatsoever of ever being called out, nor did anyone else in the department know. However, he, on a personal basis, became very interested in the work I was doing. And I don't want to reveal his identity, but he's still working very actively in this particular field.

So that was the first ground-to-air sighting with quite a few people observing him. The first face-to-face sighting was after I came back from Japan. Now, you must realize... I'm skipping quite a bit, because I got on an airplane and departed for Japan. I was in Japan for some years, and then I came back from Japan, had to relocate myself, a new office, a new home, and lived there a period of time before this next experience can be discussed. At this time, it was a first face-to-face contact in the physical form with a being from another planet.

This encounter occurred in the following way. I was in my office, looking out of the window, sort of daydreaming, you might say, and wondering what was going to happen next. I saw a person that I can best describe as Burt Lancaster in the trapeze set, wearing long whites and a mid-section of red, walk by my door. Now, I lived at that time just down from Paramount, across from Desiluze, and also just across the street from... the local Hollywood Musicians' Union. And so, it was very normal to look out on the street, particularly around lunchtime, and see people looking like cowboys and Indians and so forth, walking up and down the street on their lunch break between movies. However, this was the first time I'd seen anything of this nature in Hollywood, and it was a bit of a shock, and it produced quite a smile. On me, that is. However, shortly afterwards, I heard a banging at my door, and I walked through the house.

I opened the front door, and I could see that this was the same individual that I was ha-ha-ing about as he walked past my window. And when I opened the door, this individual took several strides right into the house, which was not exactly pleasant for me. He turned around and looked at me boldly and said, I am Zemclaw. And I thought to myself, well, you nut, what are you doing here? Where are you going? And this type of thing. And he said to me several times, I am Zemclaw. And then he strode right through the house to where my office was and sat down and began looking at things on the table. And when I asked for some sort of explanation, he again addressed me saying, I am Zemclaw. And he went on to say that he was from another planet and so forth. But I cannot repeat this to you, because as soon as he said he was from another planet, I was thinking to myself, ding-a-ling. This fellow does not belong in my house, and I want to get him out as soon as possible.

And so I completely ignored what he was saying to me and did everything I could do to get him towards the front door. Now, very abruptly, he did invite me to go outside, which sounds like a fist fight, but it wasn't that at all. We went out to the front yard, and he motioned up over his head, and I was feeling very happy because at least he was outside of my house. And to my complete dismay, I noticed a craft. A bell-shaped craft lower itself over the house. And this was the first time that I took the man serious. And after this, we returned back into the house, and he gave me the complete overview of the condition of foods on this planet no longer having the correct value, and the need for a program of health and sanitation. The classes that were the items, the materials, the material taught in the Institute of Parapsychology at Los Angeles were then laid out to me as a method to learn teaching methods for bringing this material to people of this planet.

It was a project. The project was to learn teaching methods of approaching adults and teaching them gradually, stepwise, how to accomplish these things themselves. I was told then that the aging, process is a virus. And that there are some people on this planet, not recently, who have lived to the average age of 400 years old, and some, including Methuselah, who is 900 years old, if you're familiar with the Bible. So he went on to explain the program, which was then laid out and put in a class form, and I spent approximately three years teaching classes, teaching these particular techniques, to individuals who came to those courses. The next first in this particular story was the first flight. Now this flight was a very slight one, but it was the first time that I was allowed anywhere near a craft. It occurred in the hills out by Pomona, where I had repeatedly been asked to meet this individual, Zemkoff, and usually what would happen was the craft,

would lower itself to the ground, he would step out and walk across the open area to me, and the craft would depart. And I might add that the only time I ever saw him wearing outlandish uniform was that very first encounter. And I have yet to get a complete satisfactory answer as to that, except to him, that was very normal. And to me it was quite abnormal. However, on this particular occasion, the craft did not leave, but remained on the ground, and I was invited to join in an activity, a shell ceremony, or a ceremony which I'll get into a little bit later, the Oracle of Delphi. However, I did meet several of the individuals at that time, and I did enter into the craft. And I don't know if you can imagine it or not, but I was very shaky about the entire thing, you know, not that I have claustrophobia, but to enter into a small container and have the door slammed shut, something like a submarine. If you've ever been in a submarine,

you'll know what I'm talking about. When the door slammed shut, and I heard mechanism working, and was told that we were well off the planet's surface, I was quite disturbed. Now, my disturbance eventually was more in the nature of being let out of the craft some miles from where my car was. Now, I've been asked repeatedly, I'm sort of departing now from the story, but I've been asked repeatedly, well, where have they taken you? I have yet to have a joyride. Every time that I've ever encountered these individuals, it's been for a mission, some specific accomplishment. We wish you to do this. These are the materials, these are the data that you will need to carry out this mission. In fact, when you have completed this mission, or as in this particular case, there was an aircraft that had been sent into the area, apparently to follow up a UFO report, and so when the aircraft moved overhead, the craft in which I was had to depart from that area

and could not return me to where my car was. And so they let me out some miles from where my car was, and I had to hike back up into the hills to even get my car. So I'm trying to stress the point that this was the first encounter. It was not specifically important, other than being the first physical encounter of entering into a craft. The first flight where I was taking any place of any significance was the same year, 1964, and I came out of the USC laboratories, which are quite developed, as far as the, inbuilt understanding. And I came out of the laboratory there and walked across the open grass area. Let's put it this way, I crossed going south on Exposition. Once I got on the other side of Exposition, I then walked towards Vermont, and there I was escorted by two of the crew from the craft on further to the parking lot where a Bell craft was parked to my complete shock. And I entered into this craft with a certain amount of misgivings

until I saw, excuse me, Zemclaw. And when I saw Zemclaw, I thought, well, I'm in for a very interesting experience, but I had no idea what. At that time, it was approximately 3.30 p.m. in the afternoon, and I entered in the craft. He then took me from that point, approximately Vermont and Exposition Boulevards, to the planet, which is the third planet orbiting the Alpha Centauri star. And there he showed me the first of a series of pyramids that had been built as a building to contain everything necessary for carrying out the work of TABOF. I might stop here and say that TABOF is a word which I use that conveys the meaning of all the people, in this sector of space, that work for a common cause. We could say God, or we could say good. But we can say this, at least. All of those in this sector, the sector of FAHSZ, F-A-H-S-Z, work as a common group towards the same end. And that is a cultural exchange between 49 planets,

seven groups of seven planets each. We are in the seventh group, and, as you might guess, the seventh planet of that. And Zemclaw is in the sixth planet of this particular group. On this particular encounter, I was taken to Selo, shown into and through a pyramid, and told of the importance of the shell service, originally brought here by the priests called Seli. And this was the Oracle of Delphi, which you may have read about. Now, the explanation in our history books is that there were some priests that came from S-E-L-L-O-I, Seli, or Shelly, that taught the original participants this technique. What I'm saying this evening is that these Seli, are the inhabitants of Selo. Now, what I have referred to them as is Selocians. However, back in our own history, they're called Seli. And their purpose was to show me the laboratories in which Plobeum, that is the agent, the food, the food supplement which would be ingested to return man to his correct status,

was shown me. Now, throughout all this research, as Lee has brought out, I have paid my own way for everything, working first as a carpenter, later as an architect, still later as a manager of a building corporation, later I became a school teacher, and then out of necessity I had to start a publication business to publish my own books. It was never my intention to go into the publishing business. However, by reason of needing a typewriter, I ended up buying one. And needing a press, I ended up buying a press. And before I realized it, I had a full-scale publication office. I'm still teaching, however. Throughout this research, everything that has cost money has come out of my own pocket. And I think you can appreciate this New Age activity is not the most lucrative field to be in. Now, the gist of the entire process, the gist of the entire thing, bearing in mind that I was contacted and must have been contacted for some particular reason,

this overall heading could be called Health and Sanitation, which sounds like a horrible lecture that's going to come on, but actually it's boiled down to the plobiums, the approach to conquering old age and putting our physical bodies in condition so that we can at least be alive to experience things. And I'm speaking about a physical health standpoint, not psychic endeavors at all. So the Project Earth, or plobium research, under the direction of Zemclaw, is only one of seven projects. Bear in mind, I'm telling you this evening the first of several different things. Now, I'm speaking about the first of seven projects under the direction of Zemclaw, which requires a different instructor for each one of these seven projects. So, plobium, A, B, C, D, and E, and these names are arbitrary on my own part, A, B, C, D, and E, plobium, are firstly, A plobium for correcting the physical body, B plobium for correcting the physical brain,

C plobium expands the mental awareness, D plobium allows the brain to record non-physical data, and E plobium is a summation of all the foregoing plobiums. First of all, you've got to realize that the entire idea is to bring a person from their present status gradually so that they can encounter, they can ingest this food called plobium E. But I have referred to these substances as the, or E plobium that is, as a substance which produces a super-consciousness experience. And this allows total functioning of the human being. Now, I do not have anything to do with, as I said before, selling marijuana, or LSD, or anything of this type. So please, please do not ask me about that. Further, I might add that it has been stated as a reference point that just as in the beehive, a bee larvae is given specific foods, meaning royal jelly, to cause a particular bee to develop into a queen bee. I'm not suggesting that you're bees, don't get me wrong.

But the plobiums have a very parallel relationship to your physical being, or your spiritual being, or you as a total being.

[30:00] Wilcox’s UFO account and later disclosure

So if you were to ingest a plobium, you would find that your awareness would come up by the reason of physical health. B would have to do with the brain, the physical brain, and on up the line until we reach e plobium. Now I am willing to talk to individuals on this, as I stated on the Joe Pine show, or any aspect of spiritual development on a serious plane, as this particular development is going to require some $75,000 just for the bare essentials in a laboratory. Now I have out of my own pocket developed a small laboratory, and I might add, as you can imagine, when you turn a school teacher loose in a laboratory that's trying to double as a publisher, trying to double as everything else, including a carpenter, you're going to have problems. And I had one the other night. It had a $52, let's call it a bottle, blow up. So this means about another week of work before I can even go back to where I was left off. This is the type of thing

that I have to encounter. This is normal in any laboratory. But these are not on my person. I do not carry any of these things around. They're not hallucinogenic. We're talking about laboratory equipment, the type of thing that would be in any laboratory. And the product of this, the end result of all these contacts is that I have been given the formula for these specific foods to be ingested. Now one of the things that I had to experience when I was there to have these foods put in my diet so I could see at least what I was trying to accomplish, and I would say it's just one meal. In one meal, you can't expect too much to happen. But in comparing that one meal, an ordinary meal, mind you, comparing the reactions of that, I would say it's very similar to the superconsciousness experience as in the Gateway book and very similar to the LSD description. So I do not carry the formula on my person. I do not keep the formula in my office.

I do not keep the formula in my home. I do not keep anything of value any place that you could get it unless you went and robbed a vault in a bank. Now I say this because in the past I've had some very enthusiastic students who decided that they would get into my records. And believe it or not, I'm trying to get you interested in this whole thing. I'm trying to give it away. And yet there are some people that want to steal the very thing I'm trying to give away. And so I had a nice little bonfire about a year ago and removed all the evidence. So there's nothing you're going to find on me or around me or anything like this because I've had to do research to prove to myself that what I was being given was absolutely true. The Gateway book was reviewed by doctors and there are only about 1,000 books out there. And the only thing I could find was a negative statement was that I should drop out the word drug. I should remove the drug experience

without drugs from the cover. I should remove the formulas for hallucinogenic agents. And I should eliminate all the Latin, which they felt did not belong in that book. And so trying to please everybody, I remove these things from the book. Now I don't think that really hampers it at all because it teaches you how to have that experience about the foods. So I must remind you again that I am under orders and I must not discuss the Plomiums or any other contacts that I have made which heal the aging process as a form of entertainment. To me it's quite serious and I don't wish to entertain. So any serious question I would certainly enjoy to hear. It's 9 o'clock now. And I have devoted my life to this work. So I have given you an overview of the activities by mentioning the first of many experiences that I've had, all of which are physical, except for the first couple which may or may not have been a shooting star, may or may not have been a good guess.

But they've all been physical. I've had witnesses with me. And certainly when you know when you start doing things in a laboratory it isn't very hard to... You can't fool the chemicals, let's put it this way. So the entire program is wrapped around Plomiums. The person in charge of this is Zemclaw. And the purpose is to start and complete a program of health and sanitation on this planet. Now I think that we've reached 9 o'clock. I didn't know you were back to me. You're so quiet. So I'll turn the feed back over to you. Thank you. At this time we'll have a 10-minute intermission and give you a chance to get up and move around and relax and possibly look over some of the books we have outside or go out more or less until we come in about 10 minutes. And during the intermission we'll be preparing you to write any questions that you have. Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen out in the foyer, will you come back just a minute?

This is very important. Those of you out there to look at the books, will you come back here just a minute? There's been a misunderstanding between Mr. Wilcox and myself. This is one of the things that you learn in understanding that you find misunderstanding. Mr. Wilcox was under the opinion that the lecture would be, his, would be over at 9 o'clock, that we start our meetings at 8 o'clock, regardless of the fact, whenever he starts. Now tonight, I turned the meeting over to him, I think it was 8.30 when I looked at my watch, and I know that there must be people here feeling that, well, now, he's had some other experiences that he hasn't talked about, he hasn't explained about, he hasn't explained about this trip to the planet Celo in the third planet from Alpha Centauri star. So before you leave, and I just talked with him, I'd like to call Mr. Wilcox back and to further expound on his experiences up to approximately 9.30,

which he has said he can do because he has so much information. He's still trying to keep within the limits that I laid down to him, and there was this misunderstanding. So I know that you've come here for more information with regard to his experiences along with what he has told you. So please sit down, and there is much more to this story because I've read his book, and I know there's just that. And that's the reason I came up here. I did some work back there in the foyer. Excuse this misunderstanding, but it does sometime crop up, and I wanted to clarify this between our speaker and the audience. Thank you very much. Well, it's a little bit difficult

in order to jump back in this. You're asking me concerning the trip from, I presume, from USC. It's, I think, a matter of dragging out and giving a blow-by-blow description then. I came out of the laboratory where I was doing research on indols. Now, there's only one word this evening that's going to be important to you, and that's the word indol, I-N-D-O-L-E. The indol is the catalyst in the human body that is going to be manipulated by the plobiums. It is the catalyst between your physical and your spiritual existence. And so I've spent a great deal of time in fact, I was at the laboratory today at USC campus doing work. And this particular encounter was just outside the laboratory. I was encountered by two members of the crew of Zemclaw. I was conducted by them, one on either side, across the open area to the craft. This craft was in the parking lot on the west side of the Coliseum. In Los Angeles. My first reaction was that I was being abducted,

which was not altogether a joyous thing. And, however, I could not speak to either of the people because they did not speak English, and I couldn't speak Celosian or Celowai, whichever you prefer. And so I was escorted by them to the craft. Once I reached the craft, I was completely stunned to see it parking in the parking lot. And beyond this, to see cars driving up and down the street as if nothing was going on, unusual. Now, after I got into the craft, the first thing that I've noticed when entering such a craft is that the craft seems to shock back at me. And in my encounters with the experiences on a craft, I have gained the opinion —this is false, of course— that the craft is actually thinking and recognizes me personally and reacts to me personally. I have been told that what it does is that it evaluates me in terms of weight, size, where I am in the craft, and adjusts the balancing mechanism within itself. The same thing could be said

if I were to depart from the craft. And each member of the crew is to worry about whether or not they are in the craft. And I have been told that there are a specific ring which contains a mechanism related to the craft, so that no matter where they are, they can be put back in the craft without using fancy words. Now, when I got into the craft, the most striking effect is a pulsating green color, which is anything but cheerful. I saw the face of Zemclaw looking out and offering his hand to me, which has become a very, very close friendship. And I entered the craft, and the door seems like it always is slamming shut rather than just simply closing. And we departed. Now, while we were departing, traveling through our atmosphere over the Coliseum, my first question was, why is it that the people on the street didn't see what I was seeing? And I was reminded back on the corner of Dittman and Blanchard Place when there was a period of time

when the craft which was overhead seemed to disappear to me personally while it remained in view of one of the people standing next to me. Then there was another occasion several years later when I was pointing to a craft that could not have been more than two or three thousand feet away and not up in the air either, and the person looking right down my arm, using my arm as a sight, could not see this craft. And after having these two relative experiences, I was then told that it's possible for them to cause any particular person to see or not see whatever they're doing. And also I was reminded that they did not pass through our atmosphere like a rock thrown through our atmosphere or like an airplane that attempts to overcome the air by passing through it, but they do not attempt to overcome air or space or time. They overcome these things in their relative position by reason of their mechanism. However, on this particular occasion,

they moved southward at a fantastic speed, gradually increasing in altitude and eventually leaving the planet. Now, quite to my happiness, when I was returned approximately thirty minutes later, Earth time, I was very, very, very pleased to hear that the radar of the United States Air Force had detected a flight of Canadian geese traveling at supersonic speeds over the Los Angeles Coliseum. Now, ordinarily you think this is something to laugh at. I certainly agree with you that it's neither geese nor swamp gas, but imagine how I felt afterwards. I had spent eight hours off the planet, and when I looked at my watch again being returned, it was thirty minutes later. And I was certainly turned around. In fact, for the next couple of days, it seemed like it should be night when it was day and day when it should be night. However, I believed the newspaper, not in the standpoint of the high flight of geese traveling at supersonic speeds,

but I believed that they had seen something. And I was very glad that someone had seen something after having this encounter so close to other people. In the craft, I have to tell you that I ask things like, what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that? And I did not allow them to answer any of my questions. I just kept asking, what is this, what is this, what's the other thing, what's that, what's this for? And I don't know how to explain it to you, but thirty minutes later, we were on Alpha Centauri. Now, Lee had said that he saw it as being 4.4 light years. Light years away, I had seen it as 4.5 light years away. Eventually, I'm going to meet a mathematician who will tell me how fast I had to travel to go to Alpha Centauri, remain there eight hours, and return to where I started from in the span of thirty minutes. But I think the answer lies in overcoming time rather than trying to move through it.

And if you notice the Star Trek movie on television this last, I think, Thursday night, you may have seen the activities of somebody moving through what they call a space warp. But regardless of what you call it, they move through time. Not through space, but through time. And the people observing this observe the encounter as if they, first they saw it, then they didn't. Then they saw it not there, then it was there. So what I'm saying to you is, this type of craft is capable of movement through space, and this type of craft is capable of movement through time. We did move from the California area southward, overhead, towards the Alpha Centauri star. When we landed on the planet Celo, third planet out from the Alpha Centauri star, we lowered ourselves on what appeared on the, what I would call, television screen inside the craft, to be a checkerboard. Very much like we would presuppose a helicopter landing field to look like.

Instead of coming in on gradual swoops or arcs, they descend and ascend directly over a specific spot. I was helped out of the craft by using a one-man elevator going straight down, and from this position, I walked directly into the pyramid. Now, at that time, I was thinking not so much of groups of people, because I thought to myself, this is one thing I'll never talk about. But for the sake of the individuals that I was working with, I stopped every once in a while and turned completely 360 degrees around and forced my eyes, like cameras, to look at everything, even though I was not interested at all in many cases in what I was looking at. And so I am able to say that as I turned 360 degrees at that point, I could see a large barren area, the pyramid, which was enormous. No way of telling. Of course, standing at the base of it would make it even more enormous. And at the far end of this open area, I was told that on the other side of this

was where Zemklaw had caused the people of Solo to build a city. I could not see this, and I had to take it on faith. However, we moved into the pyramid and entered into what appeared to me as an elevator. Now, this elevator did not move up. It moved on about a 45 degree angle. I'm not being exact, but it did not move across, and it did not move up. It moved on an angle. And after a short period of time, we stopped and stepped out on a balcony and looked down on the gallows of the grand gallery, or the interior of this temple, which looked to me like it certainly could house a couple of Colosseums. I may be exaggerating, but imagine how surprised you are when you look upon an area that you would really want a motorcycle to go around the balcony. And I thought for a moment that I would have to walk around this balcony to get to the next step. However, we went approximately one quarter of this distance, and being as high as we were,

it was not such a long distance around the circumference, and ascended again in an elevator, or elevator type, to the first of two floors. And then we departed from the elevator and had to pass some sort of security guard, although I did not see anything in the way of weapons or anything like this. It was of the nature of carrying impurities from the planet Earth. Now, practically every time that I've ever been on these crafts, not every time, but almost, particularly the first encounters, I found that I was staring at the other individuals out of the corner of my eye, wondering what they were going to do, and I think if they had turned and said boo to me, I would have gone the other direction. And they were watching me, and later on I began to get the feeling that they felt very, very sorry for me, being in such a terrible condition. And so we passed through a cleaning or a sanitation area where I thought I was going to have to take a shower.

I had to disrobe and pass through what looked to me like a shower room. However, there was no water. And on the other side of this area, I put on a one-piece outfit and was conducted into the laboratory. Once in the laboratory, I was shown, as I said before, this was not a joy ride, I was shown their tables where they had set up laboratory equipment to produce plobiums, the A, B, C, D, and E plobiums. That was the purpose that I was taken there. Now I did, on several occasions, visit with these individuals, but bear in mind, I could not speak to them, they could not speak to me, unless there was a translator. And I was their guest, so I couldn't do what I wished. I was asking enough questions, and probably foolish ones as it was. So I observed that which I was supposed to see, and in my opinion, it reached a point where I asked so many questions that they had to do something to calm me down, because I was very excited.

And so I was invited to participate in a meal. This meal was very small in quantity. I'd say approximately two or three tablespoons of vegetable, a little bit of salad, a small piece of meat, however they do not recommend meat, but I received it at that time, and a drink, which tasted to me something like ginger ale. Now after finishing this meal, which was quite small, I felt as if I had all my centers wide open. And I began, I can't really say, looking back on it, whether everything was in on a physical level, in the way of talking and hearing them talk, or whether some of this could have possibly been on a telepathic level. We then observed the entire area again, went upwards into the chambers of Zimclaw, and I went into this room thinking that certainly at the far end, this room was approximately 20 foot square, and it looked as if it could have been cubic, meaning 20 foot tall as well. At the far end was a long bench,

the likes of which you might expect to see nine judges file out, and sit behind in very stately attire. However, what happened was, Zimclaw worked his way around to the other side of this table, this desk, sat down, and motioned for me to follow him around. I don't know if he poised a button or what he did, but the entire top of this table, which is approximately 10, 15 feet long, and about 3 foot wide, turned over and exposed a console, which was supposed to operate the entire pyramid. Now, as I indicated before, this pyramid was a device, just as the cockpit of an airplane is a device for flying that airplane. This was the console for operating that pyramid. And the only part of it that I was able to observe, in action that is, was a small IBM card, which I would call like a playing card, which was inserted in a slot. And the result of this was that there were some attendants that came in with the meal that I just described to you.

After being shown through this room, I then asked concerning the capstone, or the area overhead, I asked if we were at the top of the pyramid, and I was told no, that was the area of the Oracle of Delphi. And this is when I was quite surprised, because I thought the Oracle of Delphi, was only on the planet Earth, and I was then told that if I were to look, I would find in some of the writings, indication that they had come to this planet centuries ago, and had started that procedure. So I was told it was quite important as far as the function of the pyramid was concerned. So after seeing this room, I was not allowed in it, I then left, and the departure was, was rather fast. Now, bear in mind that I was thinking about everything that had happened to me after that time. So what we did was departed rather rapidly. I frankly don't really remember changing clothes again, but I know I must have. And came right on down through the entire building,

the elevator, whatever you want to call it, down to the ground again, and on to the craft. And at that time I was thinking to myself, that now that I've seen these craft parked, all I have to do is ask another person that says, well I have been on a UFO, well how do they park them? Or what do the controls look like? Or how are the controls laid out? And immediately I would know whether the other person was telling me the truth or not. However later, I found out that there are just about as many kinds of UFOs as there are, I shouldn't say UFOs, you think swamp gas, there are just as many kinds of spacecraft, and surface craft, and mother craft, as there are people to design them. And we are in a sector, the sector of Thaj, which has seven different groups of seven planets each. And each one of these groups has on it cultural ways of doing things, not all the same. And so, while some people like a long and flattish type vehicle,

others like a round, twine type vehicle, some like a cylindrical vehicle, others just like a seat, they don't care to have any kind of covering whatsoever, just a seat like you are sitting in with arms. Other people don't care to have any kind of device, they wear a ring, which contains everything necessary to go from place to place. So, as far as vehicles are concerned, I've heard Dan Fry say, everything from a roller skate, to an aircraft carrier, but that doesn't say the roller skate is not a vehicle, or the aircraft carrier is not a vehicle. Both are vehicles, everything is a vehicle, or if you want to use a better word, a device. They have different types of devices. So you cannot say that an individual from Prismov is wrong because he does not copy the type of device from an individual from Celo, or that we are wrong on this planet because we don't use the same type of device on, let's say, in Los Angeles as Japan,

or Japan as Europe, or Europe as some other country. We can't say it's wrong. We generally use the same principle, which is a combustion engine. On those planets, they use something entirely different, but it's the same principle, whether it's large or small, flat or round. So I was returned back to a point, a departure, which I don't know if you were listening to where I was first contacted, but I was let out in Pomona Hills again. And my car was down in USC where I was getting a ticket or being too long in a zone, to say the very least of the matter. And so I had to hike back down over the hills and hitch a ride back to where I could get a bus and eventually get to my car. So I would certainly not say that things had been the most comfortable, and I certainly have not had a joyride. The only time that I've ever really enjoyed myself was in October of this last year when I was greeted again by Zemclaw and we went up overhead,

I don't know how many hundreds of feet or miles. And there I had a small conference during which time I was told to forget all the projects and concentrate on the oracle method, the plobium, and to try to solicit funds because it was necessary to at least have $75,000 worth of money just to invest in a basic chemical apparatus and to concentrate on that. And that was the only time that I've ever had what might appear to a joyride because we didn't go any place, we just stayed there and there were, on that particular occasion, comfortable chairs or seats in the craft. That's the only time I've seen anything in the way of comfort in a space device. So on this particular experience I was taken away from this planet, apparently passed through time and space and returned back 30 minutes later, had two meals there, and then was let out, as I say, not at exactly the same place, but 30 minutes later. So I don't know how you want to receive this,

but this is one of the experiences. And as I told you earlier before I started talking, I was going to mention the first of many experiences, which go back to 1951. And none of these experiences have been, in quotes, fun. They have been experiences where I've been asked to do something particularly, and then when I've finished this particular project, it's been evaluated with me there, hearing all these comments about how it was good, bad, or indifferent, and then I either have to do it again, in most cases have to do it again, and having some other assignment. So I think now that we've spent another half hour, and I've just told you one small experience. Now, the other experiences on UFOs are almost the same thing, except, as I say, they're for specific missions, to show me some particular thing and have me carry it out. And like anyone young or new in an area, the tendency is to say, well, show it all to me, and first thing you know,

you are shown all these many, many, many things. And by seeing so many things, you don't do anything. And so I have tried to focus all my attention on plobiums and the things I'm supposed to do at the present time. So I will repeat to you that any of you wish me to come out to your home or some friend's home or your enemy's home or any place and speak to any number of people on this that are sincere. I'm certainly willing to do it. And we are at the end of another 30-minute period. So what I would ask you to do is I'll add to what Lee Gates said to you. On the back of the card, put your address as well as your name, because if you do wish to contact me or wish to have the materials sent out, because in the past, I have brought out materials, and it's quite a thing to be lugging out all this printed material. But I will be able to put a little package of things in an envelope and send it out to you this way rather than have you

descending on the magazine rack in the back. But I have done quite a few things in other areas such as psychic research and also in spiritual healing. So I can send these things out to you at that time. But I didn't feel at liberty to go into these other areas because here we're interested, firstly, in understanding, sharing, and realizing that we're working on the same common goals, whether you realize that or not. And so it's not a matter of just understanding those on another planet, but also understanding ourselves and each other. So if I can share some of the things I have experienced with you, fine. And I think I'd like to turn this back to you. Thank you very kindly. We'll hear from him after a ten minute intermission. Did you have something there? Did you have something there? Oh. He has the papers here and pencils, so any of you who have questions now during the intermission, if you'll write these questions out and when we come back,

why, he will endeavor to answer any of these questions. If you will raise your hands before we go out, why, he'll pass out all those who have questions. Thank you.

Thank you all, those who wish to ask any questions

of our speaker. Just about ten minutes and they'll call you back.

I do have a few questions that I would like to ask him, but most people don't know.

It's involved understanding the structure of matter and being able to take it apart into some vessel to combine other items which are not available in the home. Everything seems to go crazy.

I'll tell you one of the funniest things. There's a substance in the structure, and it's very prevalent.

It's in other spots, and it made me think right away. It's a thing that's hanging from the ceiling. It's very necessary. It's the only thing you can get from it. One element can be changed from another. You know, that isn't possible. Of course, they're doing it with a comet. I never did get one. All right, fine. So let's... I don't know how that... I don't know how that... Right, well, you can imagine what it's like, because I can't use the reagent.

The reagent's in the room. The reagent's in the desk.

Ladies and gentlemen, are there any more now? There's always a couple who are a little bashful. So if you'll raise your hands, I'll come to the audience once more, please. It's out toward the desk, okay?

Okay? Thank you. I'm going to get through the questions that are here first

before we take any questions from the floor. Okay. No questions from the floor. If my name and address is given, will I receive information on your product when developed? Well, the answer is no, because you haven't given me the name and address, so there's nothing I can do for you. Unless you do give the address, then I can do something. Would you talk to a group of engineers... Your father. Your father, yes. Aircraft. They would demand technical answers regarding the ship, etc. Well, I will certainly talk to them, but bear in mind, right now I'm a schoolteacher. They're in an orchestra, and if it has to do with music, I certainly can give them all kinds of technical information, but as far as building them a UFO, that's a different story. What is the purpose of the spaceships? They are vehicles. Your missions. What will be accomplished through your efforts and experience? Where's that expense? I've told you that.

Plebeian is the goal. Also, the reestablishment of the Oracle of Delphi.

And there's no address, so I can't do anything for whoever that is. Please explain how one may learn more about the health process, and if it's available in a pocketbook of those with modest incomes. Well, I think $2 is within the modest income bracket. And the Gateway book, which was written in 1962,

gives you the entire blow-by-blow description on what you should do. And the people who have applied it have had results. So, whoever asked that question, this is the answer. Thank you. Would you please explain what you mean by conical cloud? Well, the shape conical is very much like an ice cream cone on the bottom, or a witch's hat on the top. What else is conical shape? Like an ice cream cone. That's the shape we're talking about. Or a pyramid with 360 surfaces, I suppose, which would be upside down. However, what formed... You see, this is a glass, a paper glass of water. And what occurred was the water that was in the glass came out, forming a conical shape around. And being water, it would be in sort of a cloudy appearance. I don't know if that's answering the question of whoever asked me, what is a conical shape or cloud? Would you please give us the spelling of Zemkla? Well, it's spelled Z-E-M-K-L-A. And in this book, Zemkla, all of the experience details,

not what I talked about tonight, but I mean the details of all the experiences are in this book. That's why I did not attempt to give you a blow-by-blow description here on the platform. The entire story is in this particular book. What are the people like on S-O-L-L-O-I? Whoever wrote this has got the spelling correct. But bear in mind that the word that we have in our history is S-O-L-L-O-I. However, the correct spelling would be C-E-L-O. What are the people like on S-O-L-L-O-I? I answered the question to Joe Pine by saying healthy. And he returned by saying healthy. Green scales, healthy long hair, or what? I would say healthy in terms that you people would understand. If you were encountering a male athlete who was in very good health, weighed about, say, 200 pounds, was about 6'2", looked like he could rip you in half, then we'd be talking about a very healthy person. Now, the same is not true of a woman.

A very healthy woman does not look like she can rip you in half. But I think what the average person on this planet would consider a healthy human being would also apply to the people of S-O-L-L-O-I. But this was just talking about appearances. What is the planet like? I can't answer that. I only saw a small area of the surface. And that particular part that I saw was paved in some manner. In the distance I could see foliage, and also what appeared to me as trees, but they could have been very large bushes. I have no way of judging. How does it compare with the Earth? It looked exactly the same. That's how it compared. Except there aren't any pyramids or... Well, let's put it this way. It looks exactly the same. Well, here somebody does have an address. For information by mail, may I have the spelling of... I think you meant Zem claw, but you've got Zem cloth. Z-E-M-K-L-A. What were the people, houses, landscape, towns like on other planets?

That is what I came for, to hear about other planets. Well, the people are ordinary people like we are, except healthy, which means they are not sick. I don't know if I'm communicating anything at all. If you were to go out and hire a male model, and hire also a female model, and look at these individuals and describe them, you would probably be doing the same thing if I were to stand here and describe to you what a healthy human male or a healthy human female looks like. I don't know if that answers the question or not. Also, houses, I have been told, because I was interested from an architectural standpoint, that the A-frame style house is the most practical form of house. However, I've never been in a typical home. I was taken to the planet to be shown specific things in the way of probium research and returned to this planet. Landscape, I was on an airstrip, and it had nothing on it but the airstrip. I could not even tell you whether there was gravel

or sand or anything like this, because at the time I was there, I wasn't looking at my feet. I was looking around, and I was forcing myself to look around. So, houses, landscape, and towns, I did not visit any town other than visiting this pyramid, and I had the general impression that the people lived inside of the pyramid, not in a natural way like they all lived in an apartment building, but as a staff. And the people that were on this staff, working on and in the pyramid, lived in the pyramid, more from a utility standpoint. I can't get the first word. Your association of persons or beings of plants or planets other than ours was God mentioned as the way to all things, making them possible. Question. It's kind of a double whammy question. The goal is to serve God. That's what I inferred by saying all the members of Tabos are pulling together to serve together, to help each other in the spirit of brotherly love, as we're trying to express an understanding.

However, they are not constantly saying the word God. They're actually doing something about it. And I think that this is one of the most striking differences that I've seen in the Tenricio church. They do not preach. No preaching. You just go there and enjoy being with it. Being with them. In a Christian element, we call it a fellowship, a Christian fellowship. But I don't know. Is there anyone here that's ever been to a church that did not sit in the church and receive some preaching or some ceremony or some sermon? I think that's pretty correct. These people live it. They live the golden rule. And also this is applicable to the people in space. Not all of them. But I believe that you're asking about the specific people like Zimclaw. Also, what's holding up the project, the AIDS deterioration, I think? Oh, $75,000. Money has no value. Well, to the person who tells me that money has no value, I would have to say that's a relative

statement because when I go into a store and I ask for a loaf of bread, I can't ask the man to accept pebbles. I can't ask him to accept hot air. And if I ask a man for something valued at $75,000 to tell him, well, thanks a lot, buddy, I don't think he'd even laugh at me. I think he'd call for somebody with a white jacket. So, of course, bear in mind everything being relative. Well, to me, one or two pennies is not very much money. Maybe to this individual, $75,000 is not considered very much money. But to me, it's a heck of a lot of money.

[01:20:00] Questions and closing discussion

And as I pointed out to you last week, blowing up a $52 glass jug, if you want to call it that, was quite expensive to me personally. What can we do, the common man, to help ourselves now just as a starter? Well, just as a starter, it's in here. What to do if you dare to read the book and you dare to apply it? And I'm not going to try to read the book to you here on the platform. What type of help do you need besides money? I think the one thing I would answer here is sincerity. Not superficial sincerity, but somebody that's actually sincere. I've had, I think, the most sincere person I ever worked with ended up robbing my store. So thank you for that question. What's the name? Nothing, just the name. Will my guns heal? I am not a doctor. Well, this is really not a funny question at all. I'm not a doctor, nor am I a lawyer or an attorney. And in the back of one of the books I thought I had up here, I've gone to the trouble

to print out a statement from the law offices of Earl W. Kavanaugh. In regards to diagnosing and healing. I am not a doctor, and in this book I've indicated why psychics cannot diagnose, nor can they heal. We're not speaking about spiritual healing now. We're talking about specific diagnosis. How do we contact you? Well, I'm in the phone book, for one thing. My name is Hal Wilcox, and I live in Los Angeles. And if you dial, information in Los Angeles, you'll find out, or else you can just get a card of mine from the back table. About pluvium. Why have you been given this information if you can't release this information to useful to earth people? On the contrary, I spent three years trying to shove this down people's throats. Not the material, but the information. And nothing came of it. And so I have had my fill of it. If anybody, just like this question, two questions back, what else besides money? Sincerity. And I'm through trying to corner somebody

and tell them things that I have found out. I'm going to apply them myself. And if anybody else wants to join, fine. But I'm not going to go from door to door trying to shove it down someone's throat. How did your Zemko, I believe, talk to you? He spoke to me with his mouth, using English. This is not too funny of a question because I was first asked to learn his language. And after about a half a year, I had not learned anything. I had learned several simple statements. However, what we're involved with is organic chemistry. And you can't do anything in the way of organic chemistry by saying hello, goodbye, how are you, and pass the coffee or something, which is to blame. Where did he learn a way to converse with you? I don't know where he was, but he lives on the planet Celo, so he would have to be someplace there or someplace in his craft. Now, I can't answer this. This is a question I do not know the answer. So I can find out specifically

where he was when he learned how to speak English and tell somebody. Was your translator on the craft? Zemko is the translator. He's also the avatar of the planet Celo. And I have been very honored to even be in the presence of this individual, if you understand the word avatar. So I don't know if it required two minutes of his time to learn the English language or three minutes or three hours, but I have the general impression that it wouldn't take him very long. Will you please send me your literature? Yes. What and where do you teach? As I said before, if whoever this is can get together any number of persons, one or two or three sincere people are really serious about this and willing to come out there and teach unless it's, you know, a terrible long distance away. How can we learn more about this type of food? Well, the most direct way to learn is to read the foods to stay away from and the foods that you can eat in this particular book.

When they installed the shrine, meaning the Tenerikyo people, did you notice that the clocks moved on, or did they seem to move faster for a demonstration? At the time that the shrine was installed, a delegation came from the church located at the corner of Saratoga and First Street in Los Angeles, LA 63. They got in their staff cars and drove out to my home, unloaded. The staff of Tenerikyo went up into my home. They put on the ceremonial robes. You can imagine what the neighbors thought. They came into the house with approximately 17 different types of instruments, ancient Japanese instruments, musical instruments. They sat down and they proceeded to go through this ceremony. Now, the shrine was sitting on my television set, which had a tablecloth on top of that. At that time, I did not notice my clock or any clocks in the room. The water came out of the glass and that was enough of a troubling experience for me.

So I can't answer whether or not the clocks move faster or slower. The thing that impressed me was the water leaving the glass. What was the physical appearance of the people in the craft? I think I've gone through that. How did they communicate with one another? I presume by speaking to one another. I also know that it's possible because they eat the pluribiums in their normal diet for them to converse one to another through telepathic means. Let's see. If you could not speak the same language. Well, I think I've explained it. Zimclaw learned how to speak English. Do you have to wait for the $75,000 laboratory before producing any of the food to retard a wage? Well, this is a very lengthy subject to discuss. Obviously, you can do something as soon as you have one penny. But what I have accomplished is not the completion of the entire project. Specifically, I have tried to concentrate my attention on pluvium A. And when pluvium A is completed,

it's my intention to build a second bench and put on that the necessary equipment to produce pluvium B and then pluvium C and so forth. As it stands right now, being very realistic, this has to have a roof on it so that when it rains, I don't get rain all over my bench. And so I would say approximately $6,000 is invested and I'm about $300 or $400 away from getting pluvium A manufactured. But on the other hand, how do I know what I have? In other words, can I take some sulfur and be sure I have sulfur? So this immediately means I have to have other backing up chemical apparatus to be sure of what I'm doing. So the question again, do you have to wait for the $75,000 laboratory before producing any of the food? At that point, I'd say no. It's a retarded old age, but as soon as we say old age, we're talking about pluvium E. And I've only been able to go up to pluvium C by taking apart equipment and using things like a vacuum cleaner

hooked up backwards and turned around and all kinds of things. I spoke to another fellow here who works in chemistry. I think he might appreciate what it's like when you're trying to make your own apparatus. It's almost impossible when you come right down to it. He clearly answered yes or no. Yes with a qualification, a limited achievement. No with a qualification the entire project. When will pluvium be on the market? I doubt seriously that it will. Are they expensive? I can't answer that either. Do you give classes? Yes and no. Where and what do you teach? Well, I don't know where I teach because that's dependent upon the interest because as I said before I'm not going to try to corner anybody any longer. So I can't answer that question. Please mail materials to and so forth. Would it be possible for me to be contacted? Yes, but bear in mind that I'm not in control of anything other than myself. I sometimes wonder about that.

And what is your purpose of this formula and will it be released? My purpose is to complete it, to put it together and ingest it. Because if nobody else is interested in arresting the aging virus, I am. That's the end of that particular question. Is it advisable to endeavor to raise individual consciousness? I'd say yes, by meditation on with unity with God and creation do you favor any special method of study? It's a rather general thing. I would say that specifically as a school teacher I put together this book for that purpose. What is the reason you were chosen to be the one contacted here on this earth? And have they contacted other persons? Two parts. First of all, I'll say this. I have no messiah complex. However, in thinking back on what are the qualifications, at one time there was a carpenter that was contacted to carry out a rather important project on this planet. And this particular carpenter may not be have had the vocational background

for the job assignment that he was given. In fact, you might say that some of the Roman people who had lots of money or some of the Roman senators might be in a much better position than a lowly carpenter from Galilee. So I don't think that this particular question as to what is the reason I can't say that I have five fingers on both hands. I can't say that I weigh so many pounds. It's something beyond this. I, in fact, argued this point with Zemclaw. Why the heck did you pick somebody who was a political person, a person of wealth, or something like this? However, the argument I've never been able to put down is that I personally am more interested in truth than anything else. And my deplorable financial state would certainly back that up because, as Lee had pointed out, this becomes almost a pseudo-hobby that everything that happens generally comes out of the pocket of the speaker. And the second part, contacting other persons.

If I were to say, now these people would like to be contacted, would you please contact these people? And I work with a specific group of individuals for that particular purpose, to introduce them to Zemclaw and associates afterwards. And to my complete dismay and my education, every one of those persons was visited by Zemclaw and an associate, a female, and every one of those persons panicked. They had different reactions, but they all panicked. And I said to them, yes, it's not available. It never will be available as far as I'm concerned until I either am able to do it or find somebody that's sincere about it. That's also true of the Oracle of Delphi restoration. What year will Plotium be available? No meaning. Or if I put it this way, it was available when I first turned it out several years ago. Or it was available when I was on the planet Celo and ingested it. And I said, well, I don't know what I'm doing with the vacuum cleaners

and all this kind of thing, using vacuum cleaners in reverse for suction. Do you think they have something to do with the building of the pyramids here? No, I don't think they have something to do with the buildings here. I know that they built the buildings here. I try to make a big issue out of the think and belief words but I don't think they have something to do with the buildings that they built on this planet. I know they had something to do with it. How do you spell Plotium? Well, you've got it spelled correct so I don't know how to answer it. Is it a food? Yes. That's something we have to be real sure. We're talking about a food here. Does the B kind of Plotium give a psychedelic effect? This is the type of thing I'd expect to happen. However, eat Plotium would mean that you're eating the right kind of diet and other things will be happening. You'll have a healthy body, a healthy mind, and so forth. Whereas the psychedelic experience

is tricking your gateway or tricking your pineal gland to open and let everything flow through without any discrimination whatsoever. Discrimination, I mean. Where did these other beings get it? These other beings manufacture it in their own planet I was only shown the first of seven pyramids and also I was only physically visited one of 49 planets. If you want to think of this one one of 48 other planets. Or did they show you how to make it? Yes, that was the reason I was taken to the planet to be shown how to put it together how to manufacture it. What is the connection of your experience in the Orient and that of the spacecraft? That's a very, very good question. I was told when I was first contacted in 1962 by this light that I was not the only person that was contacted that there were two other people contacted within a hundred years. And I'm going to try to give you people this evening the same experience I had. Imagine that you're sitting alone

a group of people around you a tape recorder going several people with flash cameras and you're going to tell your spiritual master that you're ready to receive the information. Then you're blinded with light. If that isn't enough to shock you you then hear a voice booming out telling you find the followers of Tenryu no Mikoto and Kaodai. Period. Silence. You're all shook up and everybody's shaking you. What happened? Why are you crying? Please do it again. And it's never repeated. Finally I was able to contact my spiritual master and he said, never again will I even contact you. I won't do anything for you until you find those people the followers that I told you about. So I proceeded to try to deduce Tenryukyo. I didn't have the whole word so I thought I was looking for the ten kings in Mexico. So I had a whale of a time until I finally found it. I won't give you a blow-by-blow description but the reason why the connection

is that the founderess a woman of this organization Tenryukyo was given exactly the same information I was given. In 1938 she was given it in ancient Japanese. In 1963 I went to Japan and taught the same things in modern English. So naturally the only assumption they could make was I could read ancient Japanese and I had translated all the materials and I put it in 76 volumes four inches thick which presently exist in the bank vault so please don't come out to my shop trying to break the door down. They're not there. I was given 76 volumes four inches thick of material. Already printed. I was given this. And so when I started talking about this material to these individuals they assumed that I had translated their information. There's also another group the Cao Daius group in South Vietnam specifically in the city of Tay Ninh. These individuals were also contacted. However this might be a little bit too far away. In fact to be perfectly honest with you

recently I complained, well I can't do these things because I'm living in this country and it's so terribly hard. The AMA wants this and all these different groups and organizations are restricting this, that and the other thing. So I was told that Yogananda had been given the same information and was able to apply it to himself and I don't know if you people know what happened with that man but he did ascend back to the kingdom. He didn't mess around with this reincarnation thing. He directly went back to the kingdom because he understood the process and purified his own innards. So you say why the connection? Why the Orient? The why was that was where that particular person lived at the time. Now I have in association with these beings have found out that hundreds and hundreds of people are tested to see if they can have such an experience and not in quotes blow a gasket. Because you must ask yourself what would you do if you go home

tonight and there's a UFO in your front lawn and you go to work tomorrow and you tell the people you work with boy there's a lot of swamp gas in my front lawn. You would really be ostracized whether you want to admit it or not. So it's really something to think about. How do you know these people are good forces and not evil and why do you accept this mission or missions? First of all I know that this particular group are good because I've worked with them that long. I do know the difference between those from Deneb who are not interested in our best welfare and those working for Taboth. I know the difference. Either on site or in purpose. And why do you accept these missions? I have not accepted anything. They gave me some information which I tried to disprove. Very hard I tried to disprove it. The reason I went to Japan was to try to disprove what they had in Japan. To find out where they'd made a mistake. Same thing with

and so the same thing applied to me. I was given this information to apply to myself. And by being a member by coming in fact this very building and sitting in those chairs and listening to all the things that I have in respect for my teachers. I have put these books out so that it's possible for me to stand here and say, this is the way. I'm not kidding. And I had to apply it myself. And it was probably just as difficult for me as it would be for you. So I accept these things because I've tried them and they have been proven to me. Further, I've taught other persons the same thing and it's worked with them from a teaching standpoint. What is the method that I can use to obtain eternal life in this body? I can't answer this question. It's almost an entire book of questions. Maybe afterwards it's Burton Taylor. Maybe you can approach me later. Will you please explain what you mean by conical cloud? I read that one. Name without a question.

I'm interested in spiritual healing. I would say that the thing to do is be sure you go to a church that can perform these things without getting themselves in hot water. There's a difference between psychic healing in the Philippines, which I don't even want to open that door, and spiritual healing. And so this is the entire thing. So in summation, I'm going to skim right through this. I was contacted. I thought I would crystallize this by passing a lie detector test. I had the various experiences leading up to face-to-face contact with Zimclaw, given an overview of what I should try to do in the Institute of Parapsychology. So using this material, I taught it for three years. I came up with a very stable curriculum. And then I began doing research on the indle. The word indle, I-N-D-L-E, is perhaps the most important word you'll hear this evening. The entire encounter is described in the Zimclaw book. So let me back off here. The ABCs of psychic reading

teaches you how to read an aura. Tonight we're interested in UFOs. This is a complete compendium of all the things I've done, seen, heard, so forth, in regards to UFOs. This book teaches you how to change your body chemistry, take advantage of the indles, and move them to your best effort. This book, going up, has to do with a conscious projection of your spiritual being from your physical body. So if there's any book that you should be interested in, it would be the Zimclaw book, because that's what you've come here to hear about. Zimclaw. Interplanetary Avatar. And the plebeians we've talked about enough that I think you have the general view. Let me ask you, Lee, is there anything else that you thought of hearing all this that I should say in about one or two minutes? Whether you accept

at this time, finish your evaluation or not, I think Hal Wilcox has given us a tremendous amount to think about. When Dan Fry was asked that question in El Monte at the first unit, we used to go out there 25 miles on Saturday nights. And somebody asked him that question, he thought for just a second, and he said to think. That was the purpose of understanding, just briefly to think. And he has given us, Hal Wilcox I'm speaking of now, a lot to think, and if we're interested, and if our evaluation is to carry on what he has talked about tonight, then it's up to us individually because in this movement, everything is left to the individual. Each unit of understanding is autonomous to do with as they think and are aware of the path that they wish to follow and try to help the people become aware of what is available to help them. So without any more talking about this, I want to thank Hal Wilcox on behalf of our President and the offices here

because I think he's given us a tremendous amount to think of. He didn't there's a lot of things that other UFO speakers have talked about the spacecraft itself, what it looked like inside and other things, but here he was given specific assignment in the sense of helping the people here and it's perhaps a new approach to something that we are all interested in, perhaps the first time but have been interested knowing what to do about what we hear. Well here he has given us a project and this applies to myself just as much as anybody regardless how busy we are and that's the thing that I'd like to leave with you here tonight and thank you again for coming and we hope to see you next meeting. Thank you. If you have any questions to Mr. Wilcox, he'll be up here for several minutes. Might as well leave those here later. Do you want me to stick them in here? Yeah, because I set out to answer those questions the only way I can do it.