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1966 July 7th Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Daniel Fry Answers Questions P125
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- [00:00] Opening remarks and format of the Q&A
- [07:00] Daniel Fry answers questions
- [50:00] Further audience questions and discussion
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[00:00] Opening remarks and format of the Q&A
And we put out 43 rows, and I said, oh, that's enough. There isn't anybody going to come out to hear Mr. Fry tonight. Not on a hot night, am I? Things like that was mistaken. The only thing we need now is about 50 more seats and a little more expansion on the wall.
It's very plain that we're going to have to have more room if we're going to continue talks. We have to have walls that are a little farther apart. As if they know it is a hall. Yeah. We're open for suggestions for larger halls somewhere in the vicinity within 8 or 10 miles.
The subject that was announced or advertised tonight was simply answers to questions.
There wasn't any lecture prepared for tonight. Most of my time in such lectures is spent in answering questions of the audience anyway. And it has been said about... Mr. Fry, that every question becomes the subject for a separate lecture.
I'll try to restrain that tendency a little bit tonight, but inasmuch as we don't have a formal talk or a formal lecture prepared, perhaps it's just as well if some of the answers do stretch out or become complete. It's so seldom that a complete answer is ever given to a question. An answer that brings complete understanding. This, of course, is the thing that we are most interested in doing. If we can bring... Complete understanding to even one question, we feel that our efforts have been well spent. So, I'm not going to attempt to deliver any orations tonight. I know that there are at least some of you who have questions that perhaps have never received satisfactory answers, particularly in respect to the phenomenon that more and more people on Earth are becoming aware of all the time, the phenomenon of spacecraft, objects which come to us from somewhere in space and which are being seen in greater and greater numbers by more and more people.
Of course, I don't, by any means, have all of the answers to these questions. If I did, I would have to be wiser than anyone else on Earth, and I certainly am not. But I have spent a great deal of effort in the last two years in learning the answers to some of these questions. I have learned some of the answers by personal experience and personal conscience, so I am going to attempt tonight to get over the answers to as many of these questions as I possibly can. And I will start, I think, without any ado and invite any questions from any of the audience. Okay? I don't know just how much this has to do with spacecraft. However, it is a question. It's fairly vast. There are, in the universe, which are observed by astronomers upon occasion to suddenly burst into great brilliance, to increase their brilliance sometimes as much as a million times. A star, which is merely a distant sun, suddenly becomes very much larger and very much brighter.
This is caused by the increase of nuclear reactions which take place within that particular star. The energy which we receive daily from our sun originates in a nuclear reaction which has been called the carbon-helium cycle in which hydrogen is changed to helium through four steps, through four nuclear reaction steps and finally gives off a carbon particle and a helium particle and also a carbon particle and the reaction is changed to helium. The reaction then begins to begin over. The reaction produces an intense amount of heat and light and other forms of radiation. It produces all of the energy that we receive from the sun. This takes place in most stars according to a fairly regular schedule. In some places deep within the star, this reaction increases. It becomes unstable and increases at a high rate of speed and usually this occurs near the surface. When it occurs near the surface, the gases there merely boil outwards.
We get prominences, as we call them, and that's a great mass of gas that shoot out. We're leaving the pressure of concentration of gases at that point so that the nuclear cycle dies out. But this instability happens to occur deep within the surface of the sun. Sometimes it gets out of control or continues, expands to the entire area of the sun. The sun then becomes, in effect, a single hydrogen bomb. The radiation increases at a very great rate. It's tremendous. It increases sometimes as much as a million times the previous rate of radiation. It lasts from a few days to several months. If this is merely a step up, if it doesn't take complete control of the body, of the planet, it produces what is called a nova or a very large increase in brilliance. Beyond a stable increase and becomes a wild increase, it becomes a supernova, let's say, which increases up to a million. A nova indicates, it's a very stable increase,
up to about a thousand times the original brilliance. A supernova goes up to a million times its original brilliance and usually only lasts for a few days to a week or two and then begins to shrink because all of the fusible material is then consumed and the material that's left is largely neutrons. And the star then shrinks to a size much smaller than it was before. It then becomes a dwarf star and has a very small area and a very great density. Some of it is very small. Some of the density of these star materials are as great as 10, or have been estimated to be as great as 10 tons to the cubic inch. So the material of those stars, if we had some of it on Earth, would weigh around 10 tons to the cubic inch. This basically is the difference between a nova and a supernova. It is merely a question of whether the increase in nuclear reaction rises to a certain point and there becomes stable or whether it has no stable point
and merely goes on to the ultimate, in which case all of the nuclear reactions that can take place do take place, when compared to the short time.
[07:00] Daniel Fry answers questions
Do we have any questions on space? Yes? Well, etheric people are supposed to have more density and weigh more than we do. Why is that? The difference between the material plane and the etheric plane is one which we'll be going into at some length in the forthcoming chapters on Search for the Stars in the publication. The difference, is a difference of degree, a difference of energy level. One of the cases where the scientist, the so-called orthodox scientist of today, is saying exactly the same thing that the metaphysical scientist has been saying for several thousands of years, is that the energy level on which any body exists is disproportionate to its rate of vibration. As those who have studied metaphysics for several thousands of years have been saying, that there are different levels of existence, and the level on which any individual or thing exists is proportionate to its rate of vibration. The nuclear physicist or scientist of today
says that the energy level of an electron or a proton or any other particle is proportionate to its frequency. Now, this is saying exactly the same thing. They use two different words to say it, but the meaning is identical in both cases. And this frequency, or this level of energy, exists in various octaves. The dimension of this octave is the quantity C, and again in orthodox science, it's the quantity C, or the quantity of energy represented by the velocity of light. Anything, any object having a differential of energy exceeding this quantity C is upon the etheric plane with respect to an individual here. Whenever that difference of energy exists between two points, the higher energy is said to be on the etheric plane. The observer, however, who is on this etheric plane is always on the material plane as far as he is concerned. If you travel onto the etheric plane, you will find, strangely enough, that you are completely real,
completely material, where you are. As far as you're concerned, you will always be on the material plane, but you will advance to the etheric plane as far as the person who is left behind is concerned. He will no longer be able to see you in the ordinary sense of the word. The material of his body can pass completely through the material of your body without, without interfering with either one of them. There's plenty of space in the densest matter that we're familiar with for this to occur. I've pointed out in talks here several times that the densest material that we are familiar with, our hardest field, is practically all space. And this you can find in any physics books today. If we were to take any object, such as the human body, and just squeeze all the space out of it, the matter that would be left would be so small that it would be difficult to even see it without a powerful microscope. Scientists, who have calculated the density
that matter would have if it were stacked solidly together, if all the particles of matter actually were stacked solidly together, we would then have a material which the physicists of today call neutronium. It's a very theoretical substance since we've never been able to create any of it. But if you could pack particles of matter solidly together, you would have this theoretical substance which they call neutronium. And they have calculated what that neutronium would weigh on the surface of the Earth. And this is in all good physics books of today, which is a very good example of that. Now, these aren't my words or my figures. The density of such material on the surface of the Earth would be equal to 240 million tons per cubic centimeter. One cubic centimeter, a cube two-fifths of an inch on a side, would weigh 240 million tons on the surface of the Earth. Of course, you couldn't weigh it. If you had it here, you couldn't weigh it.
It would immediately fall to the center of the Earth. And it would fall to the hardest steel that we have, as though that steel were a rarefied gas. In comparison, the steel would not even be a liquid. It would be a rarefied gas in comparison to this material. So even the densest material we're familiar with is practically all space. There's less than one-fifth of a trillion of it that's actually solid. You could put more than one trillion people, you could put all the people on Earth today into one body, into the size of one human, and still not fill all the space in that area. If you were to condense all the humans on Earth into the size of one body, you would still not have filled all the space in that area. So that you can have varying degrees of density. There's plenty of room in one mass for another mass to pass through it without interfering with it. The reason it can't do it normally on Earth is because there are bonds,
force fields, between the individual particles. And these force fields tend to prevent the passage of another body of similar frequency. However, a body having a frequency differential in excess of this quantity, c, or higher than the velocity, the energy represented by the velocity of light, can pass through any other solid body without affecting either one. This is what is usually referred to in the etheric bodies having a greater density and being able yet to pass through ordinary matter without disrupting it. Yes? Is that an etheric body because that same is not after death and leaves our body behind the relationship? There is a portion of the body which we call a soul, which exists on this higher energy level. There is a higher differential. This we have with us always. We have, it is a part of us in this life. If we leave our body behind, this still exists. We still exist on this higher energy level. We will then be, that portion of us
will be on this very plane. As a matter of fact, it is at all times. We can't perceive it with any portion of our earthly body because when that differential exists, anything existing on that plane is not observable by this body. We have not learned to take our bodies with us to this higher plane. We have not learned to increase the energy of our bodies to this point. If we did, we would then, there would be no change. We would still be material as far as we are concerned on this higher plane. We have not yet learned to increase our energy level to this point or some races have. Yes, Pryor. Do you have some more information besides what appeared in Major Keele's book about this moon bridge? I don't have any documentary evidence. Anything more than is given. I have seen a number of articles about it. We didn't hear the question, Dan. We don't know if there were any more information available on the moon bridge other than what is given
in Keele's book. There have been a number of articles that have appeared in newspapers and various magazines that corroborate the information and the fact that this observation did take place, that this moon bridge was seen. I haven't seen any definite statements by astronomers or anyone else as to what it is. I have not seen any efforts, not heard of any efforts made by any astronomer to explain it. A number of astronomers have admitted seeing it. No one has attempted to make a so-called simple logical explanation. Usually this is done. Whenever something is seen that cannot be understood, or seems to be out of the pattern of our daily life, someone always attempts to force it into a pattern that will be a part of our daily life because they think that people may be frightened if an unknown pattern emerges. So there's usually some effort made to explain this unexplainable thing. Many times these explanations are exceedingly illogical
and sometimes completely ridiculous. And yet, a large percentage of the people will seize on these explanations and say, well, now I can forget all about it. It's all been explained satisfactorily if it's just this, that, or the other thing. The classical evidence of this was, of course, the case of Captain Mantell when his plane crashed after the pursuit of this object. And the official announcement finally was that he was pursuing the planet Venus. Well, millions of people in this country accepted that. Even people who knew that the planet Venus was not in the air could not believe what he had learned. He had seen the very last words that the Air Force had released his last words, the last communications he had over the radio. Some of his last words were, as any of you had seen in the picture UFO, no, and anyone who's read Rick Keogh's books, no. These, they were actually printed in newspapers. The Air Force released these communications and confirmed them during the
first part of their investigation. Or Mantell said, I am now on a level with the object. I am overtaking it. This was picked up by half a dozen government stations, also picked up by half a dozen amateur stations who were listening to this chase as it took place.
There could be no possible doubt or argument that Scott Mantell actually made this statement. Now we have some very good planes in this country, but we don't have any planes that can get close enough to the planet Venus so that it appears to be tremendous in size. Yes, when it was stated that team was chasing the planet Venus, millions of people all over the country grieved a sigh of relief and said, oh, that explains it. Now, this is a case of a drowning man grasping at a straw. It was a straw. It was something that couldn't possibly support anything. And yet they grasped at it and relaxed and said, well, now we can forget all about it. We have an explanation. The thing that always amuses me is that some of these explanations are so much more illogical, so much more ridiculous than the phenomena which they purport to explain.
In many cases, it would be much more logical to simply assume, well, it was a spacecraft or something from some place other than Earth. In many of these cases, it would be far more logical to accept this fact and to go to the lengths they do to try to get something, something they can grasp at, that turns out to be as illogical as anything that the human mind could concoct.
Yet on many occasions, it has been done. There's an article, if it be of any interest or any good to anyone, that was published in the Fate magazine last month on the moon bridge.
And who? The astronomers that saw it? No. I was announced that there is an article in the Fate magazine for last month that goes into the case of the moon bridge rather extensively. I don't know whether we have a copy of it here or not. I think we perhaps have one. What was the moon bridge? The bridge on the moon? It was an observation made by a number of astronomers which indicated that there was a formation there that had not existed previously.
It appeared fairly suddenly. I don't know how constantly. Constantly, the moon had been under observation by these individuals who made the report. But between observations, they observed what appeared to be an artificial structure. It could have been a natural structure, except the question arises, how did it get there? Because it hadn't been there on previous observations. And this structure seemed to be of very great size. I've seen a number of estimates of it, but it could be seen with a comparatively small telescope, which indicates... that it was some miles, at least, in length. Estimates have been made, up to 20 miles in length. And 5,000 feet high. There have been a number of estimates varying one way or another around this figure. But it is something that is very large and seems incredible. It could have been overlooked in previous observations and then suddenly appeared. Whether it is a bridge, whether it is a spacecraft which has been landed at that point,
I don't know. It has been stated, partly authoritatively in the past, that spaceships do exist which have dimensions of up to 16 miles in length. This is something that is completely incredible to many people on Earth. It's difficult to conceive of anything being built that size. Is it still there? I don't know. I haven't heard any statement that it has disappeared. If it does disappear, we will probably hear something published on the fact that it disappeared. As far as... I don't know. I haven't heard any statement that it has disappeared. If it does disappear, we will probably hear something published on the fact that it has disappeared. As far as... As far as... As far as movable objects in space, spacecraft or dimensions approaching this, let's say it's hard for us to conceive. It would be just as hard for a native, one of the primitive natives in South Africa, to conceive of the Queen Mary. It would be just as impossible for them to conceive of humans building anything the size of our largest ships
as it would be for us to conceive a ship this size. In fact, it would be even more difficult for these natives to conceive a ship that size because they would have no concept of how it could possibly be built since they have no means of working other than that. means of working other than their hands it would seem to them that there was no possibility that any human could build the ship the size that we do so as i say well one dimensions of that order are mentioned concerning structures spaceships people are inclined to dismiss it and say well this is a wild exaggeration it's a fancy but you have to remember that to people on this earth and it is on this earth it would be just as difficult for them to conceive of the fact that we could build the things that we do there is always a certain amount of gravitational field
available in space trajectory the course which a ship takes is usually decided or you the
velocity is usually attained while it is at a point of departure in other words we have what we call an escape velocity on earth if we were to fire a cannonball or anything else away from our earth that's the velocity between seven and nine miles per second it would continue to go in to go in the same direction indefinitely unless it came in relation with another planet another star once it had achieved that velocity it would no longer need to accelerate it wouldn't need any force or any fields of any sort it would continue at the same rate that it had developed until it came under the influence of some other force or some other gravitational field so that a spaceship intending to go from one planet to another or from one star to another would make use of the field at hand it would attain the acceleration necessary and then simply coast until it reached its destination it could change course anywhere in space because there is always a balance of course in one
direction or another gravitational fields extend to infinity although they pass through zero-pointed intervals so it would always be a difference it would always be something that this tough field this craft could get a hold of in order to create a change in its direction it would require a considerable time to accelerate if they change their mind in the middle of space it would require more time much more time to accelerate in a new direction than it would if they happen to be near a plant but with the energy that they have when they leave one plant they have the velocity necessary to reach their destination they don't require any fields in the middle of space in general I think yes that is the natural rate apparently some of them do have the ability to
increase the energy of the body or of the entire ship to any desired degree this means that they would then exist on
the etheric plane with respect to us it wouldn't mean that they had changed any at all with respect to them if one of us were on their craft and they were to increase the energy level beyond this quantity differential that we call C the quantity C they would cease to be visible to us and when we pass away would our vibrational level be increased uh the vibrational level of the body of our body
here is not increased but a part of us there is a part of every human which we call the soul that exists normally on this higher level the reason that we can't see the soul many skeptics or agnostics have said well there is no evidence that the soul exists we can't weigh it we can't feel it we can't see it our senses can't contact the soul in fact everyone in the world believes that we have this soul but the agnostic says well why can't we contact why can't we show some evidence to exist we can't because it exists upon its higher energy level normally and when the body ceases to exist its existence on a higher energy level goes right on it doesn't change in any way so it is there but with the senses we have in the body we can't
define this part of it exists on the higher energy level normally we can't see it yes it could
be considered a fourth dimensional plane this is largely a question of a definition of terms we have this statement in most physics books concerning a theoretical fourth dimension we have
quite a lot of geometry that explains the conditions that would exist in a zero or a cone or any other geometric figure if we could project it into another dimension a fourth dimension basically we say that if we have a point and we move it in space we have a line that's one direction if we move it in space we have a line that's one direction if we move it a line at right angles to its length we produce a plane and we then have two dimensions if we move the plane in a direction that is right angles to both of the first directions then we have a three-dimensional figure if we could move that three-dimensional figure and anyway on a line that was at an angle to all three of these previous dimensions then it would move into the fourth dimension we aren't able to conceive of this we're three-dimensional features we can't I'm able to conceive of any way in which we could move a three-dimensional object
which would be at right angles to all of its dimensions so we can't conceive of a fourth dimension some effort has been made to discuss or to consider the fact that we call time as the fourth dimension
it is pointed out that if we are going to locate any object tell that actual that location that object with respect to space to a point in space we have to give time as well as its other three dimensions because all matter in the universe is in constant motion so that object is never in the space in two consecutive seconds in order to in order to locate that object with respect to to space we would have to give time in every case as well as the other three dimensions there is a much better reason for considering time a dimension we have to consider time a dimension because all motion must take place in time we can't have any motion that we can perceive without having that motion occur in time we have now some very fast cameras that take pictures in a very short period of time we have been able to take one I used to run film to set up cameras for photographing the action of rocket motors we took 5 000 frames per second 5 000 successive pictures in one second of time
this at that time a few years back was considered very fast we now have cameras that can take more than a million consecutive pictures in one second if we take pictures like that of moving objects the objects appear to be standing still we took pictures even back a few years ago we took pictures of moving bullets which had been fired in electric light bulbs and we obtained three and sometimes four consecutive pictures between the time the bullet touched the glass and the time the first crack appeared in the glass we've obtained as many as four consecutive pictures showing the glass gradually bulging in gradually moving in a dent appearing in the glass and bulging in finally a little crack appears in one frame then the next picture frame two or three packs then the next frame little pieces begin to float outwards and it requires uh six or seventy pictures for the bullet to pass through this uh electric light bulb but we've gotten four consecutive ones between the time the bullet
touched the edge of the glass the time the first crack appeared in the glass and in these pictures the bullet appears to be standing absolutely still it doesn't seem to be moving at all but we know that it is moving because it required time to take that picture and since motion takes place in time for each increment of time there is an instrument of motion but if we were to take a picture that took no time whatever then that bullet wouldn't have moved at all during that picture if a bullet is traveling a thousand feet per second that means in a thousandth of a second it will travel one foot and a hundred thousandth of a second it will travel hundreds of a foot and a millionth of a second it will travel a millionth of a foot but in all time in zero seconds it will travel zero distance so a motion can only take place in time therefore time obviously is a dimension because we have to have it in order for any motion to take place so that there has been some mention of time as a
fourth dimension i think it would be more accurate to call it the first dimension but there are obviously possibilities of other dimensions that we are not aware of sir are you assuming that motion may be continuous might not be as motion is granular it might be that the bullet is like the standing field well if you've got a short enough exposure yeah this was this could only be evidenced uh we might get some information on this now if we can take a million frames per second if in some of those frames the object appeared to be standing absolutely still and at the next frame it occurred to be moving very rapidly we might then assume that the motion was bending but nevertheless however rapidly it moved during the time it was moving if we were to divide that again into zero in the increments of zero we couldn't have any motion in zero time well by any standards
that we have today we aren't none of us are sure of anything our own scientific our own scientific concepts have changed so many times that no scientist who is worth his call will say he is sure of anything the better scientist he is the less sure he is of the thing but we can only express the things to the best of our knowledge today we have to we have to formulate opinions on things or we can't progress we don't say that these opinions are absolute they're always subject to change when better evidence comes along anyone who wants to participate in this discussion is welcome to go to that gives an opinion says this is not subject to change it's going to be left behind because every opinion has ever been held on earth has been changed in some extent with time then would this have any relationship with what you're talking about or simulates in our good book it says um spirit is more mobile than any motion
yes this is true i was coming to the point of pointing out that we say that no motion can take place except in time and this is true as far as our bodily concepts are concerned however i think that we are some of us at least on a point of enlarging our conceptions enlarging our ability to perceive our consciousness to the point where we can recognize more than one dimension in time right now we are our consciousness is confined to three dimensions in space and one dimension in time i don't believe that this is an absolute limit at all i think this is only the level that our consciousness has reached at the present time when you read the explanations of relativity that are given in most books concerning the two concepts of relativity that albert einstein gave to the world you find the fourth dimension mentioned and you find attempts made to explain the fourth dimension by going back to one dimension the book will say imagine a person who
is conscious of only one dimension the fourth dimension is the fourth dimension of the world it is a punch box if you play it well it is possible that a person passes through the store in one dimension and you can only go use one dimension and i call this a line mask he only knows one direction forward he has no conception of sideward or for dock he can only move forward as such a man if you were to put a dock in front of him if he were living on a line if you drew a line on a paper and put him on this line you put a down in front of him he would be in prison there's no any more you can conceive of getting past that dot without destroying the dock if he forward a little bit and his concepts increase his awareness increases he will eventually become aware of the fact that there is another dimension a lateral dimension tighter then he could walk around the dot but if you were to compose him in a circle if you were to draw a circle around him
again he would be in prison he would not be able to conceive of any way to get out of that circle without breaking the wall in time again his consciousness might expand until he became aware of another dimension up and down and he could climb over the circle and you would have to draw a sphere around him to imprison him well that is the that is the extent of the development of consciousness that we have achieved today we're imprisoned by a spirit we cannot conceive of any way to get out of a sphere without breaking the walls it's pointed out in the discussions of the fourth dimension that if we were conscious if we assumed time was the fourth dimension we could get out of a sphere simply by moving back in time to the point before that sphere existed then we could leave that area we could move in space move forward again in time and we would be out of the sphere and wouldn't affect the wall we can consider time in that respect as a fourth dimension but i think we
should realize the fact that there are other dimensions in time we haven't become aware we've become aware of three dimensions in space but as far as time is concerned we're still on that one little line on that one track we can only imagine forward if there's a period in front of us we're blocked one of these periods is a period that we call death we can't see the army many people think that's the absolute end of anything there's a period there we can't get around it we have no concept of any other dimensions we are completely blocked by that period that we call death and yet in the in the soul in spirit there is a consciousness of other dimensions both in time and in space the spirit finds that block is no block at all any more than you would find a dot if you were a dot in the road or opposed in the road you would simply walk around but if you were only conscious of your death in this regularisé
q we can't see the eye many people think that's the absolute end of anything there's a period there conscious of one dimension and you ran up against this post it would be the end of everything there was no place else you could go because you couldn't conceive of any other direction you're going so as far as time is concerned we're still a one-dimensional creature we're conscious only one dimension we can't even turn around on that line we can only go forward but that doesn't mean that is the limit to the number of dimensions that there are in time the point i'm making is that if you become conscious of a lateral dimension in time then change could take place without taking place in a forward direction of time yes i think it's been seen with 10 inch scopes
i don't know i haven't i haven't seen enough of the of these specific reports to know what size all the exact size of telescopes that has been seen in it has been seen by a number of telescopes but i don't know for sure we might have a copy of that magazine here so we could look up and see what particular scopes you're talking about used to exert it no again i'll have to look it up in the book or perhaps someone does
anyone here know was it stated what location near what crater what location the moon was on it was a state of ivory i think it's within one of the within one of the craters we have
we have a copy of keo's book here i think we could look it up before the evening's over yes did you have yes they refer to it as the o'neill bridge yeah well this is the name that's given the name of the o'neill bridge but it's in one of these specific craters i believe yes we can look it up we have this we have the book here yes so would there be some uh possibly some harmonic relationship between present energy level
this is a higher ground there is a relationship uh it exists uh in what might be called octaves
that is any degree of energy differential equal to this difference what we call a quantity c represents one one octave or one step up if you physically were to step your body up to this energy level that apparently to you would be the still be the material plane you wouldn't be able to take any difference if your physical body were raised to that level you wouldn't be able to take any difference you would cease to exist as far as the people you left behind are concerned uh if we had
a blackboard here i could show this in terms of astronomy i've done it and they gave me class here astronomy classes given how this works out actually in space travel but if you were to raise if your energy level would be raised this point you would cease to exist as far as the people you left behind were concerned but you would still be perfectly material everything would be the same as far as you are concerned on this new level but there would still be an energy plane above you having that same difference there'd still be a plane above you and any anything existing on that plane would still be not observable by you could you observe the lower level entirely uh i think to some extent you could yes uh it depends on somewhat on the on the definition of words say i do go into that it requires really a blackboard to make it understandable while we do have one here someplace perhaps we'll we'll go into that uh later this evening in
explaining this quantity c this energy differential and how it operates in material science as well as the metaphysical science the point is that anything that can be explained metaphysically can also be explained in terms of ordinary physics providing the individual is sufficiently familiar with both sciences a truth is a truth no matter what frame of reference you put it into and so if it can be explained in one science it can also be explained in the other and this is one of the things that i have been attempting to do in the last year to show the connection that exists between the thinking of the two sciences the science that is known as the metaphysical science and the physical science as a matter of fact they are the same science one of our older greek philosophers wrote a book a time ago he called
this book physics which of course was the greek word and meant exactly what we had the meaning that we applied to it now this it wasn't a book i should say a paper it was probably written on the virus but it was given out and sometime after it was given out it occurred to this greek philosopher that there were some things he had left out terms only of five senses and he began to realize that there were other senses that he had not mentioned but there are other aspects of the universe that required explanation in more than five senses now to him this was all the same thing but he thought that this should be mentioned so he wrote an addition and addended to this book a sequel and he called it metaphysics which indeed merely means coming after physics it was a sequel to him there was no difference between the two he had merely left out some things that he felt later should have been put in so he wrote a sequel
and he called it metaphysics but since they were issued in two different papers a line of demarcation was established between those two papers and that line has grown now almost ever since in the last 15 or 20 years the two are beginning to come together the experts in both sciences are beginning to realize that they've both been saying the same thing and that the things they say are approaching closer and closer with every passing year so now we're going to have a lot of demarcation and now this line of demarcation is diminishing but for a lot of years it increased some men concentrated on one branch and some concentrated on the other and in each case one thought that the other one wasn't quite smart realizing they were both pursuing two branches
of the exact same science that stemmed from the same point and eventually came back to the same point would you place dynamic psychology where would you place dynamic psychology
unfortunately i'm afraid that i'm not enough of an expert on this to place it i have attempted to do some reading on all of the aspects of science that come in between what we call the simple
orthodox physics and the extremes of metaphysics i have attempted to do as much reading in between as possible to fill in the gaps to see how the two can be brought together to see how it is that they are both saying the same thing in different terms but the field is so large that i don't think anyone in a single lifetime could cover it completely and what i would say that this is uh from what little i know of the subject mentioned i would say that it is it is uh a part of the picture that exists between the two extremes it is it is all it's all one picture but you can draw artificial lines of demarcation in there anyway but if you examine the picture closely enough you see that all of the lines actually come together well the resurrection
is a it was a phenomenon in which the course of life of death was reversed it was merely
to demonstrate that life didn't cease or existence didn't cease when life in a particular body ceased
of course there was there was a case before jesus himself was resurrected he had resurrected others again demonstrating this fact that because this higher the portion of the body which has a higher plane of existence leaves temporary leaves the body it doesn't mean necessarily that it can't return it can return and has in a number of other cases this of course as far as far as the resurrection of christ is concerned it was predicted long before his birth that it would occur and the fact that it did occur was just it was a demonstration to everyone that this the resurrection of christ was a demonstration to everyone that this existence that is a part of everybody does continue and can and can return where there
is a sufficient reason it can return to the body and you give me some more soul after you leave the body of a murderer we die and we give you a lower vibration you mean is there any difference in vibratory rate there probably is there is a difference in the vibratory rate of everyone here on earth as far as the physical body is concerned there is no absolute vibration on which all of us exist that is why i say there are octaves there are octaves of existence this differential which we call equality c
exists between the portion of the individual that exists on the upper realm and the portion that exists here if this vibration is low here this vibration on that higher plane will be equally low it will be the same degree of differential between so that the spirit there will be on will be on no higher level there than it is here it is susceptible to increase or build up a vibration and this is the main goal i think of all of all life here is to increase that level of existence or that rate of vibration did you care to venture a guess as to the size of the spacecraft that's going to be illuminated in our skies over los angeles on the high school number seven according to the tape well if i were to hazard guess uh it would be just that it would be a guess and as a guess i don't think it would be much better than anyone else there has been a lot of questions asked me concerning the tape concerning the possibility
of the appearance of the craft and usually what my opinion on the tape and the possibility is well i don't really know anymore about the tape and anyone who was investigate who knows dick i know dick miller and i'm quite sure that he would not attempt to give the public anything that he didn't believe was true so i think that he'd be willing to give the public anything he didn't believe was true believes that this tape was honestly acquired and is factual. Whether it is or not, I don't know any more than anyone else or even than Dick knows. When people ask me what my opinion is, I say, well, November 7th is so close that we don't have to have an opinion. On November 7th, we will find out. However, whether or not the actual appearance comes off won't be any conclusive proof as to the factuality of the tape or the purpose. There have been things planned before that have not come off. And it may not be as startling, the results may not
be as startling as many people suppose. I've heard people say, well, if this fact appears and is in sight for 10 or 15 minutes and there's a large craft and we hear something over the radio, this will be proof to all the world that they are real. It won't be. Take my word for it. This exact same thing happened over the city of Cleveland two years ago. There were tens of thousands of people in the city of Cleveland who saw this craft at fairly close range for quite a long time. And the next morning, there were headlines in the largest type available in the city on this subject. And the city's poster, the headlines were a little smaller and the next city's were a little smaller and the next city's were a little smaller. And the following editions still spoke of the appearance, but they began to give possibilities. They said, well, now could this have been a big zeppelin? Could it have been one of the dirigibles that we have
that nobody knows about? It could have been this. In other words, straws were thrown into the pond for those who were drowning to grasp that. Some people don't realize how much of a shock it would be to more than half the population of this country to be forced to accept the factuality of the existence of extraterrestrial beings. Comparatively few people, especially who attend these gatherings and who are reasonably familiar with the factuality of it, it's hard for them to realize what a tremendous shock it would be to an unprepared individual to be forced into a position where he had to accept this knowledge, whether he chose to or not. This is one of the things that our officials have to take into consideration. I always want to leave a loophole where a person can escape from this belief if he chooses, where he won't be forced to accept it. That's why these straws are thrown into the pond when it appears that there can be no
possible thought, no possible concept other than the existence of it. In this case, there are some people who will grasp at anything. I say they will grasp at the most illogical explanation. They'll grasp at it eagerly because this enables them to escape the realization, to escape accepting this fact. So in this case in Cleveland, there were straws thrown into the water and almost all, a large percentage of the people who did not actually see this fact, seized at those straws. Those who saw it couldn't avoid the conclusion that it was real whether they wanted to or not. There were 20,000 or 30,000 people who saw it. How large was it? It was inside about 20 minutes. How large was it? Well, there isn't any way of determining how large it was. I think there were some, attempts made to triangulate it, but they weren't coordinated because there wasn't any previous warning. You can't tell how large a craft is by observing it from
one point. There's actually no way in the world you can tell how large a craft is. If you know how far away it is, then you can tell how large it is. And if you know how large it is, you can tell how far away it is. But if you don't know either, there's no way you can tell. It took several thousands of years before man to estimate the distance that the moon is from the earth. During Greek times, although they had some fairly competent astronomers, they had made very accurate drawings of the motion, apparent motion of the stars and the planets and the moon and sun. The average opinion then, it was that the sun or the moon, might be the size of the hill of the Acropolis. And it might be a distance of ten miles. So there's no way that you can tell by eye if you don't know how large an object is. There's no we can tell how far the weight is. If you can get an observation from two different points, triangulation, if you know how far away the two points are and know the angle
that the object is observed from the two points, then you can triangulate and determine its distance. And if you know its distance, then you can tell its approximate size by its apparent size. Now there were estimates that this craft was a thousand feet long. This was a guess. It could have been more, it could have been less. Well, the tape said it would be exactly 10,000 feet altitude. Yeah, well, if they are 10,000 feet, then they'll be able to obtain some fairly accurate estimates of its size. Does this Miller say that he got these tapes directly from the Space Nut? The first four of the messages, I think, that he received were received through him. They were given through him, and he recorded them on a tape with his voice. He says that the remaining tapes were impressed directly upon the tape itself, the blank tape. There was a tape purchased by the Space Nut. In each case, the tape was purchased from a wholesale house, from a tape wholesaler there.
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In the original package, it was placed on the buffet there, I believe, the living buffet, for some time, and was then placed directly on the machine and played. The message, which is on those tapes, was on the tape when it was played. Now, the statement was made that the tape was impressed directly, without it being, without any microphone, without it being played. This gives the impression that the tape was actually impressed during a time it was rolled up in this coil, in its original wrap.
And this causes skepticism among a lot of people, because they say, well, gee, how could you record a tape while it was rolled up? And it's true, it would be a very difficult job. It could be done. It could be done with equipment that we have on Earth. But it would be... It would be a tremendous undertaking, and it would have to be placed on a machine. It would be possible to impregnate this tape magnetically while it is still rolled up in a coil. But the tape would have to be spun, as far as any way I can conceive of doing now, it would have to be spun on a disc of some sort. Or the field itself would have to be rotated according to a very precise pattern. But there is a much simpler way. If this tape is placed on a machine, and the machine is turned to record, if a... if a magnetic beam, or a beam drawn to a point, is used to impress this tape, and those of you who know how a tape is recorded in the first place,
it's recorded only by having a fluctuating magnetic field operating close to this tape as it passes the recording head. That fluctuating magnetic field changes the polarity of a few of the atoms of the oxide coating which is on the tape.
Those little portions of tape retain that magnetic flux on the core. And when it's again passed over, the playback they cause a current to be generated in the receiving head. But if you were to place a tape on that... on a recorder, turn the recorder to play, and focus a beam, a magnetic beam, just ahead of the playing head, and then modulate that beam with the spoken word, that tape would then play. As it passed through the playing head, it would play. I could do it myself. I could demonstrate it right here. I could put... I could hook that tape recorder up through the circuit. I could have anyone... I could have anyone of you here bring in a brand new tape, play it, put it on there, and I could guarantee that it would play anything that after... as you record it, as you play it, it would play anything that was chosen in advance. We could do it. If we could do it, certainly they could do it. Scientifically, there's no reason in the world why it can't be done,
or why this is difficult to do. This doesn't prove one way or the other that these tapes aren't genuine. As I say, I'm quite sure that Dick thinks they are genuine. To the best of his knowledge, they are. And since I don't have any absolute knowledge one way or the other, uh, I wouldn't point out that they are genuine. I would just form a conclusion. But November 7th isn't very far off. And I sincerely hope that, uh, we do get a message. I don't think it will change the thinking of the world or bring the world to the realization that these are real. It will to a lot of people in this city, especially because many of them have been prepared for it. There are perhaps, uh, 50,000 people in the City of Los Angeles who are aware of the fact that this is supposed to come off, who will actually be looking for it. Probably not many more than that. There are about 50,000 who are aware of it out of all the populations of Los Angeles.
Perhaps before then, more will become aware of it than not. But could it be possible that the state played them and the state had the knowledge to know which way they did come? Uh, there is no way. Yeah, we have, uh, someone here, I believe, who was present when those tapes came in. They can probably explain it better than I. ...was present.
And I asked Dick Miller if he would play the tape. And for his, I might say, leading up to that, I was invited to come there by, uh, a woman that, uh, Dick knew. And, um, also Reverend Elvira Ryder, who is Bishop of the Aquarian Church of Parathasia, who is at Long Beach. She and I were invited to go to Dick Miller's home. We got there at 6 o'clock, and Dick Miller and his wife came home from work. At the same time, we entered Dick's home. And Mrs. Ryder and I, we sat on that Davenport, and I noticed Dick's electronic equipment, and, there in the room, and I noticed two boxes of tapes on the coffee table in front of the Davenport where I was sitting. And I asked him, I said, Dick, would you play us the tape? And he said, why, yes. So he picked up one of the tapes off of the coffee table, and broke the seal of the, uh, or opened it out of the box, and took it out, and placed it on the recorder, and it started to play.
And it was the, it was the message. Now, he had been instructed to leave two new blank tapes on the table by the spaceman. And he obeyed. And that was the first time he picked them up. And they played. And then it was that, uh, wonderful tape. And he sat down, his wife sat down, and this other woman sat down. He had brought us there. There were the five of us. And we were witnesses to the listening of the tape. The first, and they announced, it was the first time that this had happened in this civilization. And it came through as this, they call it, the tensor beam. And then the, it was in beautiful English, yes. And they told us how it happened to be in English, and how they can accomplish this. And then the, um, the second tape was there. And, of course, I wanted to hear that one, too. So, I said, and Dick, would you put this one on now? And, of course, there had been one on each side of the tape. And I, we heard the ones on both sides.
And then he put the second one on. And, uh, he and his wife and the other woman had to go in another part of the house. And Mrs. Ryder, Reverend Ryder and I listened to the other one. And that was a story about the, um, destruction of the planet, planet Maldek. And, uh, the life on Mars. And, uh, two wonderful stories. And, and Mrs. Ryder and I, we took hold of hands and, and we looked at each other and we said, we were, just like we were hit in the stomach by an elephant's foot or something. We were very surprised. And, and that's all. There's too much more. Thank you. I must say that recording in this manner isn't as impossible at all as it might at first appear. There was a question I believe asked as to whether or not there's any way to determine whether the tape had been actually recorded while it lay in the, in the, uh, coil or while it was going through the machine. Well, there wouldn't be. There wouldn't be any way to,
there's no way to tell whether a tape has anything on it unless you actually play it. And it would seem that he must run it. The simplest way would be to record it immediately ahead of the playback mechanism during the time it was running through the machine itself. This is certainly the way that I would do it. I can visualize possible ways of doing it in the tape. That is scientific. But it would be much more difficult. The obvious and simple way, if it's to be done by a beam, by force field, would be to do it just ahead of the, of the tape as it was being run. In any case, it wouldn't make any difference. The result would be identical as far as the final tape is concerned. Do you have any knowledge of the light camera that they have? I know how they work it. But they have taken the pictures, actual pictures of Jesus and lectures of that time with some way, through the atmosphere or some way they've done it. I have heard of it.
It is something that is, would be a very complicated thing to attempt today. At this stage of our present science, the basis, the explanation given of taking pictures or producing pictures of something that happened a long time ago is the fact that the light that is reflected from these things never actually ceases to exist. We are looking every day through our large telescopes at stars which are several billions of light years away. The light that we are seeing coming from those stars, more than 2,000 million years ago. More than 2,000 million years ago. And we are seeing it today which shows that the light continues to go. If we had a large enough telescope to see any planets that might be circling Alpha Centauri, our nearest star, or Proxima Centauri, their twin stars about the same distance away, they are a little over 4 light years away from us. If we had telescopes large enough to look, to see the planets there and to see life on those planets,
we would have seen them a long time ago. We would say that the light that is reflected here immediately leaves the planet and so it wouldn't be around anymore. We couldn't make any pictures from it here. All of the light, of course, doesn't reflect immediately away from the Earth. A lot of it is reflected back and forth and back and forth. And some of the original photons of light that existed at that time are probably still in existence on the surface of the Earth. It is difficult to others, or will be difficult to people some years hence. I understand, I have heard, that such devices have already been built and have produced these pictures. I don't know really any more about them than is written in the articles on them. So I'm not notoriously fake on them. I have read the articles just as many other people have.
Yes, there undoubtedly are explanations and the explanation that we are gathering up some of the original photons that are still bouncing around. This again is an attempt to grasp at a straw, to attempt to see something in the pattern that we are familiar with. If we go a little further into the fact that I brought up before, the possibility of various dimensions in time becomes much more easy to see how such a thing could be done. We are accustomed to thinking of time as being a linear thing, something along a line. We must move along this line. We can't stop, we can't go back. We must move forward. A lot of people consider time as being a river going in one direction and a man is being on a raft moving on that stream, floating on that stream. He has to float with the stream. He can't go back or he can't go sideways. He is just on a raft floating down that stream. Various fixed objects on the bank will pass him. Those events that have passed him
are in the past. But if we assume this concept of time, we must realize that those events existed before we got to them. They only exist for us at the moment they reach us. But if we assume that this is our concept of time, we are on a raft floating on this great river of time that is flowing endlessly on and the events are fixed objects that pass us, then we must realize that they existed before they passed us. We get a little better concept of timelessness. We don't find quite as great a difficulty in assuming that we can record now something that took place in the past. Since by this concept, that event would still exist. It wouldn't exist for us, but it wouldn't exist for anyone at that level of time. There has been one account of one received, I believe, in Seattle. There is a man there, I think, who has received a tape of a similar matter. I haven't heard the tape. I understand it is very much like some that Dick has received,
but I'm not sure. Mr. Van Tassel, in talking about this center beam that went on here, I understood him to say that when this beam was put on him that he leaves the body and they take over. Now, is that the way that these tapes come through? That was the way that the first few tapes, as stated, the previous ones, the subsequent ones, apparently still use the same source, but we used to press the tape rather than having anything to do with Dick Miller's body itself. What did you do on your trip up north? Did you get any new accumulations of knowledge or sightings? Well, not a great deal. There were many sightings recounted to me that I hadn't heard before. Of course, there are so many now, as the young man that was here some weeks ago, who was connected with the Air Force and had over $5,000 first pilot experience, he stated that there had been over 4,000 written reports made to the Air Force during the first five months of this year.
His estimate was that only a few percent of the actual sightings were ever reported, especially to the Air Force. I would say that was a very great overestimate. I'd say that not more than one-half of one percent of actual sightings were ever reported. By 200, we get some idea of the number of actual sightings that have been. There was a number of interesting things in the trip. We went up as far as Vancouver. The one thing that was impressed on me is the growing degree of interest in the subject. In spite of the fact that you very seldom ever see the subject mentioned in newspapers anymore and very seldom in magazines, even in articles which are written to ridicule the subject, there are more people in more places that are becoming greatly interested. The trip that I took back there, especially in Vancouver, was particularly enlightening. Some of you folks may think you're crowded in this room tonight. You should have been in Vancouver.
The little group that sponsored this talk up there had just organized three days before they received notice that I was going to be up there. They wondered what to do about it. They wanted to get up and talk, so they could get a place. They looked around and there were a couple of rooms available in the Art Institute Auditorium. They wrote us that they had a choice of two rooms, one held 100 and one held 150. They didn't know whether to take the one that held 100 or the one that held 150 because one that held 150 cost a little more and they didn't know whether they could even fill the one that held 100. They took a few hours before the talk was scheduled and several of the newspapers were quite interested. They took a very long interview which, remarkably enough, they printed quite straightforwardly without ridicule. Two of the radio stations there were interested and put the notice on. One of them put it on every hour
with the news. When I went down to the auditorium about 20 minutes before the meeting was supposed to start, they were packed on the stairs. They were packed in a corridor about 60 feet long, solidly. They were packed in the room. The room held 150. The chairs were all taken and the people were packed from wall to wall, standing in the room. They were packed in about 60 feet of this corridor and halfway up the stairs. There were several hundred people who came and seen that there was no possibility of getting in. They turned around and went back. We opened up another room. We couldn't connect them with the loudspeaker. The people in that second room sat in that second room and most of them stood in that second room for almost two hours with no one in the room at all waiting for me to connect. They stood and after I came they stood for a number more hours. Since they had waited so long I felt more obliged to give them as much time as they wanted
and I think the meeting broke up sometime between 1 and 2. Then in the evening until 2 o'clock in the morning. I didn't hear a single grunt. Was there a good run up the next day? Yes, there was quite a good run up in the paper the next day. So there is a great deal of interest in the subject even in Vancouver just as there is here. The government has never denied the possibility of the existence of space bats. To understand their attitude we have to examine a little more closely the thing that would happen if they admitted it. There has been a lot of criticism and some of it is justified. There has been a lot of criticism of various officials for their attempt to, as they put it, conceal this information. The idea is that they are attempting to keep us in subjection or attempting to keep us in the dark and in some cases this is true. As far as some of the economic heads the economic leaders this is true. As far I think as the chiefs
I don't think it's true. I think that they would be perfectly willing for all the people in this country to realize it was a fact if they thought that we could take it. There is a great doubt in their mind and an equal doubt in my mind that the country could take it as a whole. We could. We can't understand why the country couldn't take it because we could. But there are millions of people in this country that have never considered the possibility of anything existing above them and they have been accustomed to the thought that man is the ultimate product of the universe earth man. That there is nothing above us that we are on the top rung of the ladder. We've been taught this for centuries and it would be a blow that a lot of people simply couldn't take to learn that we aren't yet on the top rung but there are intelligences and individuals that are at least a few rungs above us and for us to learn or for these people to learn
that we were constantly being observed by these superior intelligences would be a blow to the ego that a lot of people couldn't take. It would cause a lot of changes in thinking it would cause a lot of changes in political thinking a lot of changes in religious thinking and most dangerous of all a lot of changes in economic thinking and this is the thing that most of our government officials are afraid of. Few of us realize what a delicate balance our economic system rests on. I pointed this out many times in lectures I think at least half of you here have heard me before point out the fact that I have just very conclusively demonstrated a short time back or not a short time back but a few months back when the newspapers announced that our chief executive had suffered a slight heart attack. Now that isn't a tremendous piece of news not too many people are interested actually in the condition of health of our chief executive
especially the economic interests and yet the morning after that announcement was made on the next day our stock market lost 19 billion dollars in value 19 billions that is enough loss to make millionaires penniless overnight 19 thousand millionaires could become penniless overnight a lot of people say so what? Oh sure I agree with you here fine but it illustrates the fact that this amount of money is enough to produce a tremendous back pressure on the release of any information that might bring this sort of thing about. It seems to me the real danger would be the fact that the people are not morally ready they are not humble enough to recognize Yes that's the basis that's the basis of the principle danger I think the position that our government at least those who really represent the people the position that they take is that they would like us to become aware of it but not all on the same day they would like us to become aware of it a little bit at a time
in such a manner that we didn't really know exactly when where or how we did become aware of it they have produced quite a lot of stimulus the fact that they released the Utah pictures the Tremonton pictures for the production of this movie the UFO and it stated candidly in there that they didn't explain these in any terms common to earth they as much as said that they were spacecraft they couldn't say they were spacecraft because then these headlines would come out and people would be forced to believe it whether they wanted to or not I think that our officials would like to make it available they would like to give everyone a choice they would like everyone to believe it who can believe it but not force anyone there's always a strong throne that you can grasp if you don't want to believe it there's something you can turn to and that's the fact to quite a great extent there is quite a bit of stimulus being given by our government
to this sort of thinking if you have looked at any of the Charles comic books lately you'll see that about 50% of them are devoted to space the thought of space some of these are not comic books some of them are horror books and these certainly are not sponsored by our better officials however the idea of space travel and space the conditioning of the human mind for the thought of existing in space and the thought of things existing in space is being pressed on every front by our highest government officials we advanced the orbital vehicle program by several years in order to stimulate this thinking so this could be published widely in the papers articles could constantly appear concerning this project vanguard and this project mouse originally it was scheduled for at least a year or two later it was advanced to stimulate thinking on this subject many other things have been done which actually cost our government a certain amount of money
to stimulate thinking on it they will not make a definite statement either today, tomorrow, or do I think they ever will make a definite statement that we are being visited by extraterrestrials they know that in a couple more years they won't have to because everyone will know it anyway but they are not making any serious efforts as far as I know to actually suppress, to stop anyone from making public this knowledge if they were I wouldn't be speaking to you tonight or at least if I were I wouldn't be I wouldn't be working during the daytime on government contracts I'm doing both I'm working on contracts which the government is paying for I'm also speaking to you tonight on the 7th the government is really taking desperate efforts to suppress this I wouldn't be able to do both I'd have to choose one or the other well I'm quite sure that there are
some officials who would not like the public to know anything about extraterrestrials those who are concerned primarily about our economics I think would like to maintain secrecy on all aspects here again is something we have to realize people say what does the government think or what attitude does their government have or why doesn't the government tell us why does the government keep speaking of the government to have a mental picture of an old man with a red white and blue stovepipe hat and a long beard they're thinking of Uncle Sam they're thinking of an individual our government is not an individual it isn't even a reasonably closely knit group it consists of thousands of people different people all of whom have their own ideas and own opinions just as we do there is no single logical concerted thought or conclusion concerning spacecraft in our government a very small group air intelligence service the job of investigating these sightings
to form an opinion a conclusion and their conclusion has never been published they have never said yes or no they have written a long book resulting from their investigations in which they said we reduced all these sightings to punch cards and we put them to an IBM machine and the IBM machine gave these results so many balloons, so many aircrafts so many natural phenomena they have never given a personal opinion or a personal conclusion to any of these persons with the exception of Ruppelt who was the head of it has never given a personal conclusion and I think you all know what his personal conclusion is now now that he is no longer connected with the group he is able to speak much more freely and he makes no bones about his belief that they are extraterrestrial and interplanetary pardon? he didn't say that on television he didn't say it on television but he said it in his books perhaps not in that many words but his conclusion is quite obvious
there is no logical conclusion you can come to after reading his book if you accept the things he puts in his book there is no logical conclusion you can come to other than that they are why can't he say it on television? the audience might be just a little too large the point is he is still considered to be officially connected a statement from him that they actually were real would be an official statement even yet because it would have been an opinion he came to during the time he was an official it would still constitute an official statement I don't think he would be allowed to think if he were really intelligent he would attempt to make it not as a flat statement he was the original head of the project he was the original head of the project he was the original head of the project he was the original head of the project they have given to many people their personal opinion when they are speaking to individuals
they say if you want a personal opinion I'll give it to you and on this TV program I believe this is my personal opinion that they are real I have yes on three occasions most of you here I think have all the details in fact I made a report I have a little booklet here I thought when I had this little book published it was a publication of it I wouldn't have to get in front of audiences anymore and speak on the subject because I could refer to the book it hasn't quite worked out that way I've been asked to speak more times since the book came out the original contact took place at the White Hand Piratengans near Los Angeles I was working for Air Jet Engineering Corporation at the time and I was stationed there to set up the wind sensation to test the white shot there were quite a lot of these objects that appeared there during the two years that I was there quite a lot of these objects were seen on one occasion they were photographed
on one occasion they were seen to come in on one of our I think it was Blossom 3, number 3, was fired, which was simply a hopped-up V2. We brought back a bunch of the V2s from Germany, the shells and motors, and we used new fuels and souped up the motors a little bit and tried to break the records that they had made with them. They were used mostly for upper-atmosphere research. You've all read about the V2s and the Blossom missiles that were fired. They reached elevations of about 140 miles, and they had a top speed at burnout of about one mile per second. And at the time that this Blossom 3, I think it was, had just about reached burnout, it reached about its maximum velocity, one mile per second, a quite large object, almost as large as the V2, came sweeping in from the side and began to go up, began to rise with this V2, and as it went up, it circled about. This V2 was traveling one mile per second.
This object came in and also traveling upward of one mile per second, and proceeded to circle about as fast as though to say, well, you're not so fast. We can run rings around it. That's just what the object seemed to say. Now, that object was seen by many people there with a naked eye. It could still be seen with a naked eye. It was seen in many binoculars. It was seen on the radar screens that were following this flight, and it was actually photographed on a moving picture camera with a telescopic lens that followed this V2 missile up. When one of these missiles are fired there, they're followed by every means of observation that is available to the human. They have radars, they have what they call skyscrapers on them. They have to observe the exact course of this missile. They want to get all the data they can, and they're observed by every means possible. And this object that came up was observed by every one of these means.
And it stayed with the V2 to an elevation of about 110 miles, and at that time, by that time, the V2 would start slowing down. It would approach the top of its trajectory and it was slowing down as if in disgust at this slowing down while the object made a couple of extra circles and then took off straight up at about twice the velocity it had traveled before and was out of sight of the... of the visual, I mean camera, and in a second or two and was out of sight of the radar a few seconds later. But there is just as complete a documentation of that particular object as it is possible for a man to get. That took place there during one of these flights. And there have been many more of them seen. This particular one I saw on the ground. I saw it close range, I touched it, I have been inside the craft, and I have ridden it. So I do have a certain basis. Or formulating opinions on these objects. Some of the information I received at that time
and some of it I received later. Did you say that when you were to touch that spaceship that we're saying there that it knocked you back? No, there wasn't any force applied to me from the craft itself. I was, I jumped back. When I was addressed by any voice, I was startled and I simply leaped back. There wasn't... There wasn't any force. There wasn't any force to stop me from the craft. I was simply doing it. I was simply startled. Do you have a ride on one? Pardon? Do you have a ride on one? Yes. Is the personnel similar to us? As strange as it may seem, I have never seen one. Quite a number of people, yes. I was addressed by an individual who stated that he was in a much larger craft, in a high elevation, and he was speaking by a remote control device, which I at first thought was simply radio, so similar to ours. I finally learned that it was somewhat simpler than this, but electronically, it is still identical.
You saw our motivated from a distance, from a mother craft, you might say. This particular one was. It was a cargo vehicle. It was not designed to intend to carry passengers, although there was a very small segment of it that was devoted to an emergency passenger compartment. It was used basically for the purpose of conveying samples of our atmosphere taken at ground level to the control station. Did you ever hear of a spacecraft supposed to have crashed into a mountain at White Sands, New Mexico? I have never heard of one that crashed. I have heard of one that landed on several occasions on a comparatively flat area on the Oregon Mountains that rise directly behind the proving ground. Sometime later, I talked to the man who was in charge of a double squad of troops that had been dispatched with orders to go up and bring that craft back. It landed there on several occasions, and on the first occasion, the squad was rapidly called together.
They were given a sidearm apiece, a gerund rifle apiece, a grenade apiece, and a bazooka between the squads. And the orders that this officer was given was to go up there on that craft and bring back that craft intact and the crew dead or alive. They weren't concerned about the crew. They wanted the craft. That was the way he gave it to me word for word. He says, these were the exact instructions I was given. Go up there and bring back that craft intact and the crew dead or alive. Now, they got there in the first case, he says, within about 100 feet before it took off. The second time it landed, they were also given the same weapons and the same instructions, but they left them all at the bottom. They left all their weapons at the bottom of the hill. He said, after seeing it the first time, I became convinced that in the first place, we weren't going to get up to it. In the second place, we weren't going to capture it.
If we did, in the third place, our weapons wouldn't be of any use to us. So we left them all at the bottom of the hill. Well, it seems to me that is what you have just revealed. Well, it certainly points out the reason why these craft don't like to stay very long in one place.
We can at least draw practical questions. We wonder why they don't stick around in one place very long. If you heard the orders that have gone out concerning them, we'd know why. How do they cool their surfaces? There is very little, actually, let's say first, they don't travel at what we might consider excessive speeds. While they are in lower atmospheric levels, the flight that I took on this craft was made at an average velocity of 8,000 miles per hour. This is about twice the velocity that the V-2 achieves at burnout, and its skin temperature reaches about 500 degrees. At 3,600 to 4,000 miles per hour, its skin temperature in the upper regions of the air will reach about 400 degrees. These craft don't travel at those velocities in the lower levels. They travel only to the higher levels when they are traveling at high velocities. They are not low down. They are up where the air is practically ceased to be.
They are practically in a vacuum. However, the air does not actually touch the surface of the craft. There is a field, a very short-range field. It was described to me. When it was first described, I couldn't conceive of it because I'd never heard anything like it. The statement was made that this is a field which repels all other matter. It is a central gravitational field except for two things. It does repel all other matter, and it has a rate of diminution, which is according to the seventh power of the distance. Now, previous to that time, all the fields that I had ever read of or studied diminished normally according to the square of the distance. Whether they were gravitational fields, magnetic fields, electrical fields, the same thing always pertained. They diminished by the square of the distance. So I was unable to conceive of a field which diminished by the seventh power of the distance. The statement was made that this field is very intense at molecular distances,
but within a few microns, it diminishes almost to a negligible value, just because of the fact that the radiation was according to the seventh power. At that time, it just went over my head. A couple of years ago, I was reading one of the latest books on nuclear physics, and I came across a statement there that the field, the binding energy which exists within the atom, is a field which apparently diminishes by the seventh power of the distance. That was the only connection I made, and that was some years after this statement had been made to me. But at any rate, what this field means is that the molecules of air do not actually come in contact with the surface of the metal at all, and that any heat that was produced as a result of this, perhaps travel through it, would be produced almost entirely in the atmosphere. This is something that not too many people realize, and it's described in the second issue of Understanding,
in the article there on the fireball, points out that the meteors that come into our atmosphere, like that we see themselves. If you read a book on meteors, meteorites, it says, well, when these little particles come into our atmosphere, they are heated to incandescence by the friction of air, and they burn up, and it's the light of their burning that we see and call a meteor. This becomes very unsatisfactory to even a casual thinker when he learns that the average size of these meteorites is about the size of an ordinary grain of sand. The average meteorite that we see from 50 to 100 miles away is actually about the size of an ordinary grain of sand, and this statistically is printed in any book on meteorites, any book on physics, and yet they produce a light that we can see from 50 to 100 miles away, a very large, brilliant light, and sometimes a train of this light that goes for miles. Obviously, no matter how efficiently you burn that grain of sand,
you wouldn't get enough light out of it to be able to see it at 50 to 100 miles away, especially not as a very brilliant glow, and leave a train miles long behind it. What happens is that they come into the atmosphere at a very high rate of speed, between 10 and 20 miles per second, which is so much higher than the velocity of sound, that the molecules of air simply can't get away from the front of it. They don't get out in front of it at all. They simply pile up in front of it. The effect is the same as the piston of a diesel engine. Even the piston of a diesel engine compresses the gas enough, so it gets hot enough to fire the gas. The meteorite does the same thing on a scale 1,000 times greater because it's traveling 10,000 times as fast. It piles up air in front of it, and a tremendous amount of heat is generated. All the kinetic energy of this particle is changed to heat energy, but not in the particle, in the atmosphere.
What we see is the incandescent particles of air. The air that's been compressed until it blows, it becomes incandescent. We see a comparatively large ball. That grain of sand may be pushing a ball of incandescent air ahead of it that's five feet in diameter. And this is what we see. We don't see the grain. True, in this case, the grain is usually evaporated. The grain is usually burned up by the heat produced in the air. But the principal heat is not produced in the grain. There have been meteorites that have fallen to the Earth and embed themselves rather shallowly and have been dug up, and when they dug up, they frosted over. How about the ones in New Mexico? They were still so cold that they frosted over. You mean the large one? Yeah, the large one. 600-foot crater there. There is the one in Arizona. That crater is almost a mile across. It was about 600 feet deep now. Originally, it was much deeper. But that was a very large meteorite.
It estimated to weigh some millions of tons. And the heat generated by the impact of that one. You see, as a meteorite gets larger, it has an increasingly greater mass in proportion to its surface area. The ratio between its mass and its surface area constantly gets smaller. So it has more kinetic energy. When it struck, the assumption is now that it vaporized. The entire meteorite vaporized. And it simply boiled up in a large cloud of vaporized steel, nickel and so forth, that it was composed of, and then rained down into very small droplets. A lot of these droplets have been collected for miles around. Originally, they thought that meteorite was still embedded there, and they tried to dig it out for years, put down the cordials, and tried to find it, and they never found any evidence of it. Now the assumption is that it vaporized. It's not like radiation in our air, as any scientific studies would take for radiation accounts
of areas where these fireballs have been. If you'll read the article in February Understanding, there is a complete article on the case of the fireball, in which it points out that the fireball, the true fireball, probably is a particle of contra-terrine material. Interestingly enough, this article was written over a year before it appeared in print in Understanding. I wrote it for another book that I was writing for, in Texas, and I had written notes on it before that. Since the time it was written, two specific things have occurred that have corroborated practically everything that has been written in that article. In fact, last month there, an astronomer, one of the larger astronomers, voiced his opinion that at least some of the galaxies, in his opinion, were composed of contra-terrine material. Now this is a word that has almost never been used before. It was used a few, oh, about 20 years ago. Some theoretical physicist dreamed up a substance
which he called contra-terrine matter, in which the polarities of the matter were reversed. The nucleus of the atom was considered to be negative, and the electrons were positive electrons which surrounded it. And then he began to consider what properties this matter would have if it should exist anywhere in the universe. One of the properties they assumed it would have was that if it contacted any of our material, it would convert itself and an equal amount of our material completely to energy. It would be a case of complete energy conversion. Those of you who have read the papers will remember that a few months ago it was announced that in the laboratory, the California laboratory at Berkeley, the anti-proton, as it was called, was produced. That is, a negative proton. And when it contacts a normal proton, they are both converted entirely into energy. They have actually produced this material now in the laboratory.
However, we have had some of it in various portions of space for a long time. And some of these particles that are equivalent to our small meteorites do come into our atmosphere. When they do, they convert themselves into an equal amount of our material into energy. The largest portion of this energy appears as high-frequency radiation. In this example, we don't realize how much of this energy does appear in the higher frequencies. But it does have the faculty of lowering the level of radiation of the material to which it passes. This release of high-energy level radiation, we might think would tend to increase the level of activity. It doesn't. It actually stabilizes the atoms which are in unstable condition and lowers the degree of radioactivity in the area in which it passes. So, it does tend to eliminate or to cut down radiation levels in areas. Whether they are sent by spacecraft or not, I don't know.
I expect it as in the book that it seems that everyone who has had contact assumes that they do, and I see no reason to doubt. These fireballs sort of float down to Earth. Does your matter transmission be instantaneous? Well, this is explained even some of the questions in postulating this theory at the beginning of the article. The statement is made that there will be questions that must then be answered. To answer this, you have to realize that only atoms which came into direct collation with atoms of our matter would be converted. And as we pointed out before, matter is almost entirely space. I mean, these atoms are actually separated so far that it is only as comparatively rarely that one atom contacts another. This is called the mean free path of an atom in air. If you take a single atom and move it through air, it will move, on the average, so far before it contacts, by law of probability, before it contacts an atom.
It comes in direct collation with an atom of air. Even in lower areas of air, this mean free path is quite long, surprisingly long. It's several centimeters even on the Earth's surface. So that the only atoms you could actually contact would be the outside layer of atoms at any one time. And since there are millions and trillions and quadrillions of concentric layers, only one layer could be converted at a time, so it would take quite a long time for even a very small particle to be completely converted. Do you believe at all nuclear to be abolished? I don't think that they could be abolished if we wanted to. This is something that has gone into in the second little book that I wrote, pointing out that we can't stop the progress of the material science even if we wanted to. If we attempted to halt it, it would collapse. It has to either go forward or go back. We can't stabilize it. We can't maintain it in position.
I don't think that we could stop it. We do need to direct it much more carefully than we do. We do need to build up the foundation which supports the material science so that we can control the results of the things that we do. We should, I think, we should discontinue our testing of large nuclear weapons. I have a rather definite opinion on that. If you read Understanding you'll realize it because I have several editorials and magazines on it. So all of those students of genetics who are in a position where they can express their opinions freely say that they should be stopped. Yeah, we're going to have the drawing for the door prize here before so many people will have other appointments. We'll have to leave. We'd like to keep it up. And also, it's kind of warm. If any of you wanted to come back and have some cold lemonade. We have some ice cold lemonade here. This will have to, we need to eat a little bit before we go home.
Come up and have some cold lemonade. And if any of you have more questions, I'll have your ticket out.