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1964 May 27th Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Chan Thomas On Esp 2h28m P211

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [05:00] Main address
• [56:11] Development of the main themes
• [01:46:28] Audience questions and discussion
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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

Our following is Ken Thomas at the Englewood Unit of Understanding on Saturday, May 24, 1969.

Subject, Cataclysmic Geology and California Earthquakes. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight we have a wonderful speaker. He's spoken for us before on EFT. And now, briefly about our speaker. You've had quite a report written up about his background. He's an engineering graduate at Columbia University, turned scientist, president and board chairman of Chan Incorporated, a research firm which has performed prime contract work for the Air Force and Earth Sciences, a director of the Computer Calculator Leasing Corporation, a former vice president of Photoscan Corporation, and a trustee of the Cancer Science Charitable Trust. This is a non-profit organization. He has done tremendous work in this particular field with regard to cancer, that leukemia that was mentioned here.

And there is definite signs of a breakthrough here, which is a tremendous thing once you grasp the significance of all the work that has gone into this and the wonderful results that are coming forth. And he will, I believe, mention these to you, but we wanted to bring this to you to let you know. This is something wonderful for the world, to begin with, the people around this so that they can spread this information, and I'm sure it's going to spread. We are doing our best to notify the radio and television broadcasting channels about this. We've already sent our notices. They know about it. And now, in 1968, after his several years, I think it was eight years of work, this Cancer

Science Charitable Trust was formed. And it's federally recognized as a tax-free foundation and dedicated to bringing the latest scientific knowledge concerning leukemia, cancer, and their treatment to the art of medicine. Now, in the 90s, talking about California earthquakes, we all expected that something would happen that didn't happen at this particular area here. And I personally had asked our speaker, Stan, before we had him lined up here to speak for us. What he thought about this, and he told me that it wasn't going to happen. He didn't think it was going to happen, at least at this time. I said, I've heard Stan Thomas speak at Dr. Frank Strange's convention in Los Angeles. And I thought here was a tremendous speaker. Just tremendous. And shortly after this, we had Dr. Strange speak here. And who would appear with Dr. Strange is in the company of his friend, Stan Thomas.

So I got an introduction to him, and asked him if he would speak for us. And he's right here. Thank you. Grace Lee from the Senate, and we had a wonderful talk on ESP, and he is a platform speaker known nationally from coast to coast, being an author of Godfrey's program, Joe Pine's program here, Johnny Carson's program, and this gentleman speaks with a great background

in science, and tonight he's going to give us the benefit of the information and his conclusions on California earthquakes, and then he'll bring in, I'm sure, about the breakthrough in this cancer and leukemia situation, and now it gives me a great pleasure to welcome again our speaker of the evening, Mr. Chan Thomas, who incidentally lives here in Westchester. Thank you very much. Chan Thomas.

It certainly is wonderful to look out on a sea of smiling faces, and we all look cheerful tonight because that earthquake didn't happen, did it? Well, tonight, I had quite a lot of thinking this afternoon about what to say because there

is a way to understand earthquakes fully. We are told by the experts that there is no way to predict earthquakes, that no one knows

how. I have to say that back in 1959, in November 1959, as a result of my work since 1949,

[05:00] Main address

10 years of work in a non-recognized science, an unrecognized science of cataclysmic geology,

I had for six months put that study to test. I felt that if there were any validity to this, which I had concluded there were, that

it should stand the test of predictability. The essence of science is predictability. If you're going... If you're going to find out whether a hypothesis or a theory is true, put it to the test of predictable results based on the theory and data obtainable. So I gathered what data I knew, what data I could concerning earthquakes for six months

and correlated it with the data I had gathered concerning cataclysmic geology and predicted the major earthquakes over the world for the next 5 years. I gave this at a seminar in the Pentagon in November 1959. I had no paper which I delivered. It was not written, it was verbal.

The officers who were there from the Joint Staff, that was given for the Joint Staff, have been checked by the Kansas City Star since that time. They phoned all over the world to track these officers down to verify or refute whether I had made these claims. I was there all the time. these predictions and they found that yes i had made them i hit every major earthquake for the next five years all over the world as to location location and month i missed johannesburg in 1960

by two months that was the only one i missed i had the location but the time was wrong if you remember if you remember in may 1960 there was a whopper down in chile right near peru there was uh the

iranian earthquake the yugoslavian earthquake of 1962 i think it was september i've forgotten these things it was home it really wasn't a major effort on my part it was only a check on a total effort of cataclysmic geology well now if i could pass the tests if the work could pass the tests of predictability then this science had a lot more to do with earthquakes than one would imagine so in order to understand our topic tonight of california earthquakes we must first have an understanding of cataclysmic geology how many here have ever heard me talk about this before i hope i won't bore you by repeating it again back in 1949 i stumbled across this thing

called geological geology and if you want to look it up if you look in the encyclopedia britannica under the article on geology buried in the script you'll find a couple of paragraphs about cataclysmic geology it's more than geology it covers it embraces every science known pertinent to our earth i think it should be called cataclysmology the study of the cataclysms of our

earth that this thought goes back to the very beginnings of geology in england there were three men hutton playfair and lyell now hutton was a mathematician a minister a son of a

minister he first came up with the concept of geology as we know it today he wrote about tremendous gigantic uh geological upheavals play fair a minister son of a minister minister

uh enlarged on this a barrister a lawyer added to it but each time it was changed uh the flavor of geological upheavals

was sort of subdued wiped out and finally even denied by lyell our concept today of

uniformitarian geology arose from the very basic fundamentals written down by these three great men across the channel in europe other forces were at work andre de look who held the professor's

ship in geology at the university of gottingen in the mid-1700s wrote his uh lesser letters to professor blumenbach and in here in these letters he first proposed the concept of cataclysms he said

that once every while every few thousand years the surface of the globe takes a revolution in an odd direction and the resulting inundations wipe out all of life and somehow it gets regenerated and uh starts all over again for a new cycle of more thousands of years dalamir the man who discovered the mineral dolomite from his he was a mineralogist uh concurred with this and later the man whom i consider to be one of the greatest scientists of all time george cuvier in france during the french revolution uh concurred uh the mind of this man was so tremendous in its broad concept

it just it's hard to encompass what he did i'd like to mention just one thing he's the father of the modern paleontology as we know it today he was the first man to even conceive of the science of comparative anatomy from his studies of fossil bones he could correlate anatomy between all

species to the extent that if you gave him a piece of a bone or a tooth of any animal prehistoric and temporary he could reconstruct the entire animal from his knowledge from his self-gained knowledge of comparative anatomy his textbook on paleontology first published in 1812 is still used today as a textbook in his book the theory of the earth first published in 1812 he concluded that

cataclysms do occur i'd like to read you some excerpts from his conclusions he said every part

every continent exhibits the same phenomenon there has therefore been a succession of variations in the economy of organic nature the various catastrophes which have disturbed the strata have given rise to numerous shiftings of this continental basin and he's speaking of europe here it is of much importance to mark that these repeated eruptions and retreats of the sea have neither been slow nor gradual on the contrary most of the catastrophes which occasioned them have been sudden and this is especially easy to be proved with regard to the last of these catastrophes i agree therefore with messieurs de luke and dollar mirror in thinking that if anything in geology be established it is that the surface of our globe has undergone a great and cetera sudden revolution the date of which cannot be much earlier than five or six thousand years ago also one preceding revolution at least had put the continents under water perhaps two or three eruptions of the sea these alternations now

again have been on the course of the südwest and eastern sea but let me expand on the concept

of celestial space and that is the idea of celestial space which the heliopticon has gone beyond the sky and blown it away to the west in the past century and has been created of several heliopterous objects including the Earth and the planets space and earth and the discriminate and circumstance of the haintan and the deli-nath and the potomac if we It's greater than any challenge we have that we're solving today. Other men have joined later on this challenge. There's one of our contemporaries whom I'd like to quote, and that is Professor Frank

C. Hibben, who's the chairman of the Department of Archaeology in the University of New Mexico. And his book, The Lost America, is a fabulous book. I think you can get it in paperback today. Be sure to get it. He said, this was no ordinary extinction of a vague geological period which fizzled to an uncertain end. This death was catastrophic and all-inclusive. What caused the death of 40 million animals? The corpus delicti in this mystery may be found almost anywhere. Their bones lie bleaching in the sands of Florida and in the gravels of New Jersey. They weather out of the dry terraces of Texas and protrude from the sticky ooze of the tar pits off Wilshire Boulevard in Los Angeles. The bodies of the victims are everywhere. We find literally thousands together, young and old, full with dam, calf with cow. The muck pits of Alaska are filled with evidence of universal death, a picture of quick extinction.

Any argument as to the cause must apply to North America, Siberia, and Europe as well.

Mammoth and bison were torn and twisted as though by a cow's muck hand in a godly rage. In many places, the Alaskan muck blanket is packed with animal bones. Animals and debris in train-loaded lots, mammoth, mastodon, bison, horses, wolves, bears, and lions. A faunal population in the middle of some cataclysmic catastrophe was suddenly frozen in a grim charade. He says, any good solution to a consuming mystery must answer all of the facts, and

any good detective knows this. You don't solve a mystery till you answer all of the facts. Well, in 1949, I decided that this just wouldn't leave me alone. So I decided to verify or refute it once and for all. And the only way to do it was first to gather all known data, accepted data from all of the various earth sciences, paleontology, archeology, anthropology, geology, oceanography, glaciology, you name it, anything to do with our planet, and cross-correlate this data to see what the picture was. And the first thing I found was that I couldn't find where anyone else had ever done this. We live in an age of specialization, and each one stays on his side of his fence.

And the first thing that I found also was that the cross-correlation offered an irrefutable picture that this cataclysmic thing does happen, whatever it is. So the next step was to find the process. What is it that happens? And then the next step was to find the process. What is it that happens? And then the next step was to find the process. What is it that happens? And then the next step was to find the process. Believe it or not, we didn't find the trigger until last year. Some of the more romantic data, which I like to talk about, I'll share with you tonight, for instance, up in northeastern Siberia, north of the arctic circle, the Beresovka mammoth was found around 1900. And this beast has done more to confuse science than any single find in the history of man. But one man's work stands out above all. above all the rest, I believe. He's a paleobiologist. He's written one of the best flying saucer books I know.

And I can't think of his name, but he wrote on the biology of flying saucers. Ivan T. Sanderson, right. Ivan T. Sanderson. Oh, by the way, how many here have read the Condon Report? The Condon Report, I mean, not a condensation, the report. It's in paperback. You can get it. How many here have read the conclusions of it? How many here have read what the newspapers say the conclusions are? If you read the report itself, you will see that there is no relationship between the conclusions and the body of the report. The body of the report tends to verify the existence of UFOs. Read it. That's much more valuable than the conclusions. It's in paperback. You can get it. Don't read anybody else's commentary until you've read the report itself. Then you understand the commentaries. All right. Ivan Sanderson brought me to that by mentioning his name. Anyway, Sanderson approached this beast from a viewpoint different from anyone else.

From a frozen foods viewpoint. When you freeze meat, you have to freeze it fast enough so that the water content of the meat doesn't have time to crystallize. Because if it takes time to crystallize, if it has that much time, it will destroy the fibrous structure. The meat. And when you defrost it, it's nothing but a mass of goo. And you can't do a thing with it. You can't cook it. You can't eat it. It's just nothing. It's just slop. Well, this beast, when they defrosted it in 1900, was so preserved that every fiber of every muscle, even the stomach lining in that beast, was preserved. The structure of it was preserved to that extent. So Sanderson went to the American Frozen Foods Institute, and asked them, what does it take to freeze a mammoth like this? And they said, well, we have problem enough freezing a quarter or a half a beef. We never thought about this. So they attacked the problem with a glee, and came back with it two and three months later.

Three months. And said, Mr. Sanderson, there is no, no way. We have no ability within science to freeze that much meat that fast.

Furthermore, there's no way in nature known to do it. It's impossible. Yet there it was. But if you're going to do it, here's what you have to do. You have to have a heat sink, in technical terms. That means you have to have a supply of cold, if you want to put it that way, which is infinite. You have to have an almost infinite supply of cold to remove the heat from that beast that fast. Moreover, this beast wasn't found in ice. He was found in mud, alluvial mud, homogenous mud, miles of layer of mud. So the beast himself, and the mud, had to be frozen. And it really did take an almost infinite amount of cold to remove that much heat from the mud and the beast. That he died in violence was contested, was attested to by the fact that he had a broken hip bone and a broken front leg bone. Now you two, think what it takes to break that, uh, break those bones in a mammoth. It's pretty much, hunters couldn't have done it.

And that he was suffocated to death in the mud was verified. Biologically, by the, the, uh, state of the body when they dug it out. Well, in Africa, I mean, in Alaska, to the east there, of course, we have Professor Hibben's findings. Uh, and he spent months following the bulldozers as they carved away mountainsides to get at the gold underneath. And in these mountainsides, he found these trainload lots of animals, of prehistoric animals, uh, frozen and buried. But he found that they had been blown across the countryside by supersonic winds, known to be supersonic because the winds shredded the meat from the animal. They were also burned by volcanic upheaval. And then they were buried under this alluvial mud and frozen. Now, these are the clues. Supersonic winds, volcanic action, and piling up into literally mountains of mammalian flesh, and then freezing. Kept frozen for thousands of years. And then we have the Laurentian Basin in Canada,

about four and a half million square miles in area. Now, this was created by the pressure from an ice cap, and all of the radiocarbon dating done shows that this ice cap came to an abrupt end 11,500 years ago. There is no date contra- no dating work anywhere on that basin contradicting that date of 11,500 years ago. We have the work of the great Swiss geologist François Farrell in studying the St. Lawrence Riverbed, and he said that somehow, some gigantic upheaval 6,500 years ago raised that whole riverbed to the level it is today to the extent that the Ohio River, which used to flow into the St. Lawrence, turned around and started flowing in the direction we find it today. If we look at the Niagara Falls Gorge, here's a gorge, about seven miles long, we know from records kept over the past 100 years that the gorge grows at an average rate each year by the breakaway of the rock from the falls. This breakaway averages about four and a half feet per year.

Now, when the gorge was just beginning at its birth, when the falls was seven miles below where it is today, the breakaway was faster. We know that because the height of the water over the falls was much deeper. It was deeper going over. It would have broken away the rock much faster. We can compute. There's our time clock. We can compute when Niagara Falls started. It was 6,500 years ago. At the time, François Farrell said the St. Lawrence Riverbed raised up. The geological evidence in this country is just fantastic. If you go to... How many here have been to the Grand Canyon? This is like next door. You stand on the north rim and you look across, and you see these various strata. And each strata is homogenous from top to bottom. Then there's a sharp demarcation and another strata, totally different in its content, homogenous top to bottom, even level for miles upon miles upon miles. And where a pinnacle stands up within the canyon,

the strata matched that, the strata in the edge of the canyon. Now, if you take any one strata and study it, I've been in Roosevelt National Park in North Dakota. I've been up to these strata, too, where you see a strata 50 feet thick, 30 feet thick, another strata 20 feet thick, another one 10 feet thick, each one indigenous to itself. Looked at it at the top, at the bottom, all the way through it, homogenous, identical. Now, how do you deposit that that way? At the bottom of an ocean over thousands, millions of years with sedimentation gradually settling down? No. There's only one way to lay it down, so evenly, so homogenously. Each layer was put there all at once. There's only one way to do it, and there's only one force available to do it, and that's water. Water moving at fantastic volumes and speeds to lay that much earth down over so wide an area, so evenly and so homogenously. The next time you go to Grand Canyon,

look at these layers. I'll give you the dates for each layer after we go on. Now, if we go farther south into Mexico, there's a pyramid of Cuicuoco just outside Mexico City. It's been there as long as man has thought, and this pyramid is unlike any other in the world. It's made out of lava rock, and there's a spiral path up the outside, and the top is flat, and it's an oval-shaped pyramid. There isn't one piece of writing on this pyramid, nothing, no adornment, no figureheads, no statues. Only on top, there is a little platform and something that looks like a French bathtub, which they uncovered there. And all, there is a lava bed around the base of this, which is about 75 square miles in area, tremendous. And an Australian geologist who was hired to date that lava bed, which was laid down, around the pyramid by some tremendous eruption, said that it had to be between 6,000 and 7,000 years ago that it was laid down.

The important part was that it wiped out a civilization totally unlike any which has appeared since. If we get down to the Galapagos Islands, right on the equator, it was here that the work on evolution was done. So much work. And I can't remember his name. Why? What's that? Of course. I've been working for eight years in cancer and many of these things are slipping my mind. The last two years have been day and night working in the field of cancer. This is a vacation for me to get back to cataclysmology. I'm going back to it full time as soon as we finish our cancer work next year. Darwin said one thing. I have over 11,000 years of uninterrupted evolution to furnish me with my data on these islands. Now why? Why did he end it at about 11,000 years? That's the same as the end of the Laurentian Basin ice cap. Now in Australia there's a river called the Murrumbagee River in southeastern Australia. And geological studies of the Murrumbagee River Basin

show that there was an ice cap in southwest Australia which came to an abrupt end about 11,500 years ago. Same time. And that ice cap was directly opposite the Laurentian Basin. Look at it on your globe when you get home. As far as I've been able to determine, in any geological literature, no one has ever correlated those two locations and their timing. They appeared in two entirely different publications. Well, we could go on and on. In Africa there's a basin called the Chad Basin, the Sudan Basin, and in the center of it is Lake Chad. This is right on the equator. And the mountains surrounding this basin are glacially formed, much like those around the Laurentian Basin. The Caspian Sea Basin is just the same in Russia. The Sudan Basin, with this Lake Chad in the center, is curious in that Lake Chad is the largest freshwater lake in the world with no outlet to the sea. And by all standards of geology, it most probably is the last remains of an ice cap in that basin.

If we go to the Holy Land and the Tigris and Euphrates River, here we find the beginnings of the science of archaeology. In the later 1800s, the Palace of Sennacherib was found. His grandson, Asserbanipal, had added a library onto this palace, and he had done something that very few rulers to that time had done. He had recognized property rights. He sent emissaries out amongst his kingdom and had them borrow what they considered to be good tablets for his library. So the originals that they borrowed, which were written in cuneiform, he had brought in and had his court chiselers, or whatever you call them, copy these and made his library from them. And he returned the originals to their own rightful owners. So the library that was found was copies of originals. 30,000 tablets, which had been arranged in any modern library technique, language, history, mathematics, science, medicine. And in the literature section,

there were, I think, 12 tablets found, which were sent up to the British Museum in London. And at that time, who could read cuneiform? There happened to be a fellow in London who had a hobby, believe it or not, of reading cuneiform, whose profession was that of an optometrist. His name was George Smith. And so the British Museum said, come on down and see if you can translate these things, George. And he said, fine. And as it turned out, this story is the Epic of Gilgamesh. And I won't go into the details of it, but as he translated it, it came out that a story of a legendary emperor, Gilgamesh, which has, incidentally, it's been proven since then he was a real live emperor, I think of the third or fourth dynasty, after the flood, the great flood of Noah. And Gilgamesh, I don't know how he ever ran his kingdom, because he was always out in the countryside hunting. And he had a buddy named Enkidu, and Gilgamesh and Enkidu just to raise cane all the time.

And Enkidu got sick with a fever and died. And Gilgamesh was so heart sick over this that he determined to set out to find the secret of eternal life. And he was told to look for a man by the name of Utnapishtim. And he found Utnapishtim. And Gilgamesh and Utnapishtim sat down and swat stories. And Utnapishtim said, Yes, you bet your life, I'm the fellow who was granted the secret of eternal life by the gods. I was warned by the gods. And they told me, Oh, son of Ubar-Tutu, aren't these all wonderful names, Utnapishtim, son of Ubar-Tutu, go home, tear down thy house, and build thyself a ship, and let it be well measured. Which he did. And the ship that was described was not like that in the Bible. It was square, which, by all standards of naval architecture, you can't tip over. And he had all of his neighbors in who wanted to help him, and the craftsmen, and they helped him build this thing. And everybody, of course, thought he was a crackpot.

And after he had it built, he launched it on no less than eight shakedown cruises. And he brought it back each time, and he cocked it up with bitumen, and he launched it again. And right after he had it ship-shaped, he had a real Belshazzar's feast. And he invited in all the neighbors, even those who thought he was nutty. And he describes this feast. They had wine and beer and venison and mutton and everything, just like today, you know. And the very next morning he launched it. And he said he first loaded it. And the describing of the loading is like that in the Bible. And even to the going aboard himself last and the closing of the doors. And then he describes the onslaught of this storm. And if you can get it and read it, it's in George Smith's translation. Read the first one. It's available in most good libraries. And then if you want to read it in a book that I know is available, there are excerpts from it,

in a book called God's Graves and Thrives. Scholars by C.W. Saram. C-E-R-A-M. In it there's a chapter called George Smith's Flood. Be sure to read that. It's very interesting. But it's, without a doubt, the primeval version of Noah's Flood written by somebody who existed, written 3,000 years before the Hebrews wrote their version of it. And scholars in the English language say that for a man to write like that in such descriptive form, and so vividly, he had to be there. He had to see it. Well, in 1924, it was determined that if this were true, then this layer of mud, which Utnapishtim described, because when he described it was over, and he opened the window and looked out, he said, he beheld a sea of mud as high and as flat as the rooftops lay the mud. And thousands of dead, of man and beast and cattle, lay floating in the mire. That's his description. Well, it was decided that that layer of mud should be there. And archaeologists digging down there

found, yes, indeed, that layer of mud, burying a civilization underneath it, much different, totally unlike any which existed above. And if you go into the Valley of Mexico and count the layers of sedimentation there deposited like in the Grand Canyon, they agree, in depth, and in stratification, across the continent to the extent, across the ocean to the extent that if you count the same ones in Zanzibar and on the African coast west of Zanzibar, they agree, same stratification, same depth. I could go on and on and on. One of the most wonderful studies, I think, was done by Andre Deluc, Jr., who studied all of the granite blocks, and the Jura Mountains in France. The Jura Mountains are much like the Appalachians in that they are rolling mountains, non-granitic, no granite on them, but blocks deposited on them. And these blocks on each ridge are deposited on the eastern ridge where they went through a pass on the ridge to the east of that.

And Deluc studied each block and traced where it came from in the Swiss Alps across the Swiss Valley. Years of work. And he found that these blocks had been erupted from the primary rock of the Swiss Alps and were swept across this basin through these passes onto the eastern slopes of the Jura Mountains, losing hardly any altitude. Swept there by water moving so fast that 70 ton blocks of granite lost no measurable altitude. Well, I have files at home full of this, what we concluded was that yes, the surface of the globe does take these revolutions. And if we look at the inside of the globe, we find that there is a shell 60 miles thick, beneath that a molten layer, another 60 miles thick. Now seismologists have been arguing about this for years. It wasn't until, well, in 1924, the great seismologist Gutenberg first suspected from his earthquake records that that molten layer was there, 60 miles deep, extending 60 miles further.

And he started a real bombshell in seismology and it wasn't resolved until the first subsurface nuclear shots in Arizona in 1958, which gave the seismologists their first sharp beginning pulse. If you ever look at the waves of an earthquake, there's really no beginning, it's a mishmash. This gave them a sharp pulse to work with for shallow readings. And they did determine that yes, there is something there, which is, hmm, plastic? The Hawaiian seismologists say, well, it's molten. The American seismologists say it's plastic, and this is still a war waging. Well, the electrical engineers have come in and come up with a solution, that the inner electrical and magnetic structure of the earth, which we call magnetohydrodynamic structure, makes this molten layer act as if it is a near solid, with no shear strength, but the strength of a near solid. So, once every few thousand years, that molten layer is allowed to act as a free liquid

instead of being restrained by magnetic and electrical force, and the shell of the earth, the 60 mile thick shell of the earth, shifts around the interior, with the poles going to near the equator in less than a day. We think it's about a half a day. And of course the oceans don't want to follow that change in rotation, they just keep on going in their normal direction. And this way you get tremendous inundations of continents. Now, to trace back the unbelievable pattern of the position of the shell, we have to say, well, let's just take it as it is, and see what the data shows. And this is what the data shows. Today, of course, we're living in the Arctic Ocean era, where the Arctic Ocean is at the North Pole. 6,500 years ago, to 11,500 years ago, the Sudan Basin in Africa was at the North Pole. And it moved where it is today, 6,500 years ago, and that was Noah's Flood. 11,500 years ago, to 18,500 years ago, for 7,000 years,

the Hudson Bay was at the North Pole, and that was the era of the Laurentian Basin Ice Cap. That was the so-called Ice Age on this continent. You see, Ice Ages are not a matter of advancing and retreating ice. They're a matter of relocation of the position of the shell about the interior. So the ice caps form in new areas, and old ice caps melt, rotating about the equator. Now, the reason that Darwin had 11,500 years of uninterrupted data for his evolutionary studies was that on the last cataclysm, the equator before the cataclysm went west of Peru, through the Galapagos, up through the western United States, through Alaska, down through China, through the Malay Peninsula, down to Antarctica, and back to the Galapagos. And that equator was, of course, equatorial, and it tilted to its present position, the two pivot points being the Malay Peninsula and the Galapagos Islands. This is why so much prehistoric life, tremendous lizards, alligator size,

are found on the Malay Peninsula, and why so many prehistoric animals are found on the Galapagos. It's a high survival probability area. It's the only area of the globe that really does not undergo any environmental change. Before the Laurentian Basin era, the Hudson Bay, the Caspian Sea was at the North Pole. And the most tremendous verification of that is the prehistoric city of Tiahuanaco down on the border of Peru and Chile on the shores of Lake Titicaca. How many have read about Tiahuanaco? It's a fabulous city. I wish I could go there. The American scientist, I'll think of his name in a minute, he was a Polish fellow, studied this. He spent his life, Arthur Poznanski studied this. He had three degrees, one in anthropology, one in archaeology, and one in electrical engineering. Electrical engineers do funny things, don't they? He studied this and he determined that that city was built 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. And that it had undergone

a subsequent cataclysm of some sort which hoisted it up to its present altitude of 12,500 feet. It was built at sea level. All the evidence shows it was built at sea level. There's a temple in it called the Temple of Calasasaya and a tremendous stone gate in this temple. Huge. Two British scientists, Bellamy and Reed, have translated what's on this gate and have come up with a conclusion that on this gate is the calendar of that civilization. And that the gate states it was facing westward. It's facing northward today. If the Caspian Sea had been at the North Pole when it was built, it would have been facing westward. They state that they had a satellite orbiting the Earth west to east 449 times per year. So accurately that they sighted on this through instruments in the gate. And it was so huge that they could sight on the leading edge and the trailing edge and take an average of the two readings for their reading for time reference accuracy.

That was their Greenwich time, as it were. Hard to believe, isn't it? How do you launch something like that in a civilization like that? Well, you look at it and you find that they had canals going from the Pacific Ocean through their city to what had to be an inland sea, which is now the Amazon Basin. Those canals are there. At the top of the Andes today. Maybe you've seen pictures of them. They're straighter than the roads in Kansas. And they're wider than the Panama Canal. We finally came to the conclusion last year as to what the trigger is. Inside this Earth of ours, we have tremendous trapped magnetic and electrical energy. Without this trapped energy, we wouldn't have radiation belts outside our planet. And without this trapped energy and the radiation belts, we would not have the molten layers, the outer core and the shell layer 60 miles down. Without those molten layers, we wouldn't have oceans. Without oceans, we wouldn't have water.

There would be no life here. That's what's happened to the Moon, by the way. It used to be a full-blown planet. If you want to talk about that, we can cover that later on. But you can see, if you look at some of the pictures of the sedimentary stratification on the Moon, just like we have here, which says it had to have cataclysms at one time, which means it had to have outer core and inner core structure. It had to have radiation belts. Well, anyway, once every few thousand years, we are traversing through normal cycles of aging of our universe. And these cycles include magnetic field reversals. Paleontology tells us this. Paleomagnetism tells us this. And from studies of paleomagnetism, we know that these reversals mean that we have to go through zones of no magnetic field strength. When we go through a zone like that, the inner magnetic field of the Earth and the electrical currents within the Earth are lowered to such an extent

that this molten layer 60 miles down is freed to act as a free liquid. It no longer acts as a near solid or a plastic. Now, the shell of the Earth, right now, the shell of the Earth is not dynamically balanced, but because these inner molten layers act as near solids, the shell is not being allowed to tip or move. The whole Earth follows more or less the laws of mathematics of ball gyroscopes. Not actually. We know that it's a real dynamo and motor inside because it does not follow uniform speeds. It changes speed. It speeds up, slows down. You read about that in the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's in there. In the 1890s, it sped up. And in 1914, it slowed down again. It's a matter of record. When it's freed as a free liquid, then it serves as a lubricant for whatever imbalance exists on the shell to pull the shell into a position of balance. Now, right now, let's look at it. The two ice caps of Antarctica and Greenland

are not centered. They were formed after the last cataclysm. The torque created by their centrifugal force of not rotating on the center axis of rotation is tending to pull the shell around with a torque, if I remember correctly, of 48 times 10 to the 15th ton miles. That's a lot of torque. And that torque can pull the shell of this Earth around in the time that it took to freeze the Beresovka Mammoth. Yet we're not moving. Well, let's look at where we are today. Two scientists in the magnetism have told in their paper that we are heading for another one today, another magnetic field reversal, at an accelerating rate right now. When it'll come, I can only tell you, it's sometime within the next 500 years. That's our study. If we had the money and the time, we could nail this down mathematically to precisely when we should expect it. And if we were to pursue this on a scientific basis, this would be the most tremendous scientific effort

in the world today. I wouldn't care what race you are, what religion you are, what nationality you are, you'd have to work together to balance the shell of this Earth so that when the next one comes, we don't shift. We just stay put. Right where we are. We've got to counterbalance that 48 times 10 to the 15th ton miles of torque. And you know, from every computation I've made, there just isn't enough energy available to do the job. Maybe some way we can find some energy. I don't know. But using nuclear energy, there just isn't enough energy. This thing is so delicate that when the Navy was measuring the position of the South Pole, not the magnetic pole, the axis of revolution, they found that on Friday nights, when the heavy traffic from New York City goes northward on the New York State Turnpike, the pole, the South Pole, shifted a few feet. And on Sunday night when they go back home, it shifts back into position. Just from the mass distribution change

of automobiles going north and south on the weekend. Isn't that something? Well, there we are. Now, from this knowledge of cataclysmic geology, we know much more than we knew before. We know that the deep trenches in the Pacific are formed during a cataclysm. Because when the shell shifts into a new position, it doesn't just stay integral. It doesn't start and stop and everything stay the same. Great areas pile up. Other areas thin out. This is how the shell, the crust of the Pacific, has become so thin. It's all gone eastward and northward and piled up into the Andes and the Rockies. And it's left these deep trenches in the Pacific where it's split apart. If you look to the west of California, you see these tremendous cleavages, east-west cleavages, where the stratification has literally shifted, like this. That's been mapped. It's really known. And it had to be done fast. It couldn't have been done slowly. So we know that

any time these pileups occur, like the Rockies, like the Andes, and one of the oil companies which does prospecting in the Rockies during the summertime, one of the universities, it's the University of Washington, has concluded that these Rockies were formed very recently geologically and very suddenly. This is not public knowledge, but this is what they've concluded. It sort of upsets uniformitarian geology. My contention is that uniformitarian geology is not wrong. It's just incomplete. We need to marry uniformitarian geology and cataclysmology. The two belong together. Someday you'll see that happen. All right. So we have this stress within the shell of the Earth of suddenly piled up areas, and any stress that exists is looking for relief all the time. And where it's going to find relief is wherever the strata are broken, and these are known as faults. You've got an Inglewood fault here. We have a San Andreas fault. There are other stresses.

Now the ice, let's take our Antarctica. Antarctica is about 7.2 million square miles in area. It's about ten and a half, or it's about five and a half million square miles in area. It's about ten and a half or it's about five and a half let's see, it's five and a half million square miles in area, and about 7.2 million cubic miles in volume. Now this volume of ice, which is about two miles deep, 10,000 feet deep in most places, has depressed this continent into the molten layer below, so that most of it is below sea level today. And in depressing the whole continent of Antarctica, which is about seven and a half million square miles in area, of course it bulges the rest of the southern hemisphere. It has its effect everywhere all over the world. And that bulge, of course, is measurable, and it is measured. There's a greater bulge in the southern hemisphere than in the northern hemisphere. Now being off-center, this ice cap rotates about

the center of rotation and has a centrifugal force that pushes the whole continent northward in one direction. That northward is in the direction of India and the Pacific Ocean. And that's why the Himalaya Mountains keep piling up higher and higher and higher. And geologists just don't understand this. It's beyond all the limits of geological feasibility that they keep going higher and higher. Now, the Greenland ice cap, which is pushing southward creates another stress. It wants to pull Greenland southward. And it tends to pull that part of the hemisphere southward. And it's these two forces, the Antarctic ice cap tending to push northward on the Pacific Ocean and the Greenland ice cap tending to push southward on the Atlantic that creates the movement in the San Andreas Fault. Northward on the west and southward on the east. Actually, it's northwest on the west and southward on the east. And we can measure this every year.

It moves a little bit. And that's what it's from. The centrifugal force of the ice cap's pushing. Now, the Greenland ice cap, of course, is much less. It's only 670,000 cubic miles of ice. Only. You know that over 95% of the world's ice is on Antarctica? If we were to melt all of Antarctica, it's 220 feet all over the world. No more Florida. No more Washington, D.C. No more Manhattan. And you know that oceanography records that about 6,000 to 7,000 years ago the oceans all over the world rose suddenly around 200 to 220 feet. They say 200 feet. There's only one way we know how to do that. And that's to melt the ice cap. And there's only one way we know how to do that. And that's moving to the equator and let the sun do the job. And there's one of the most tremendous verifications right in oceanography. And do you know that the first pyramid ever built, the pyramid of Khufu at Giza, it's the only one which is not a tomb. It's the one which has in it all the references

of all the space sciences, of every planet, of our planet, all the dimensions of the solar system, and they're all there. It's the only one which has a high watermark 200 feet above the base. It had to be built before Noah's flood with that watermark. Because the oceans since that time have gone down gradually to where they are today. Why? All the water has been evaporated out and deposited on the poles where the ice caps are today. That's where the water went. Now, of course we have this bulge factor, which I mentioned. And this bulge factor is not uniform. Now, three nations, Russia, France, and Australia, independently verified in the IGY that the Antarctic ice cap is growing at the rate of 293 cubic miles per year. That's a Lake Ontario per year. That's a lot of ice. But of course it's not much compared to 7.2 million but it's a little bit each year like a straw on a camel's back. But it's not a uniform ice retention rate all year.

So much falls in the wintertime, much less falls in the summertime, and some runs off. It's not really ice. It's all hoarfrost. This hoarfrost which settles on the continent. Some runs off. Some stays. The ice retention rate is much higher in the wintertime than it is in the summertime. And you can see that between summer

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and winter, there is a transition period when the ice retention rate will jump from low to high. It's at this time that any stress which has gathered to a near breaking point anywhere in the world will find its relief because that sudden change in ice retention rate on Antarctica will change the balls in the whole shape of the earth faster than at any other time of the year. You look at the Baldwin Hills disaster, it correlates. When a dam broke, it correlates. My contention is that the Baldwin Hills disaster was caused by the Antarctic ice cap. If you look at the fall of the year, September mainly, October, this is when the ice retention rate on Greenland takes a jump. And then you find other major earthquakes. There are always exceptions to any rule. I'm giving you a general pattern. Why April, May and May are the great months of great earthquakes I contend are because of the major factor of the ice retention rate change on Antarctica.

And why September and October are the secondary months for major earthquakes is because of the major change in ice retention rate on Greenland. Now we can come to California. Now we begin to understand more about California earthquakes, don't we? At the time I made my predictions in 1959, I also predicted that there would be no earthquakes over the next five years in California. And if you look back on the literature of that time in the newspapers, you'll find there were experts who were saying that we were overdue. That we were going to get a major one. I contended that because of the major earthquake in Yellowstone Park. Remember that one? Where they just lost people or buried. Because of that, the major stresses in this entire western area of the United States were relieved. And the there would be no earthquake here for the next five year period. Luckily, I guess, I don't know whether I was lucky or what, I turned out right.

You know you quit when you're ahead, don't you? After I made those predictions, the National Geographic came to me and said, why didn't you tell us? We were down in Chile and we left just before that earthquake. You should have told us. We would have stayed. I said, come on, if I told you, would you have really stayed? You would have said, you're on another crackpot. And they said, well, we want all your other predictions. Keep predicting for us. The Air Force said, please, give us more predictions. Just keep it up every year. I said, no thanks. I'm not interested in earthquake prediction. I'm interested in cataclysmology. All I've done is to indicate that there is a way to predict earthquakes. If anybody in the earthquake predicting business wants to predict earthquakes, they can have my information free. Nobody is asking. It's laughable to me, I guess. Nobody has asked me. I really don't care. But anyway, when they said,

well, we want all your predictions from now on, I said, no thanks. They said, why not? I said, well, whether you know it or not, mathematics tells us that if you take known existing data and based on that data predict forthcoming data, you are subject to errors of the fifth magnitude of the earth. This is something derived by the data reductionists at White Sands Proving Ground, some of the best mathematicians in the business. And I said, I can see myself predicting that in 1973 Japan goes under or something like that. And so we get out the Red Cross and we get out the United States Navy and we evacuate everybody and everybody stands back and nothing happens. It could happen if I start predicting like that. All I've done is indicate that there is a possibility that something is happening. I think that we have a better understanding of why they occur, where they occur, and when they occur. I have done no prediction work

based on this scientific analysis for any area of the globe for any future time. Now, in our work in ESP, we have discovered how prediction works. And how many here heard my talk on ESP last year? Very few. I'll give you a quick summary. Everyone, all of you, everyone has two bodies. We call the conscious body body one and the subconscious body body two. Body two is made up of particles so small as to be collisionless particles. They will not collide with any other particles known. They're much smaller than electrons. It's a brand new field in physics. It's just too technical to go into here. These particles are those particles which create gravitational pull by a predominance of those particles traveling in one direction, namely outward from the center of a planet, for instance, or outward from the center of an atom or an electron or a proton. It's what gives a body mass. Now, these particles gather in every human being in the embryo stage

before birth. And they gather in conjunction with the nervous system. The entire nervous system is paralleled with this body of particles gathering. Now, if you stop and think how much of you is in your skin, I defy you to find any place where you do not feel except in scar tissue. Part of your nervous system is your equilibrium system. And the equilibrium system plays the most predominant part in the formation of this body too. And it is this body too which can communicate from person to person freely. A child is born with the ability to communicate with his subconscious and conscious, if you will, tied together to the extent that he doesn't even notice the difference between the two. In a matter of three months, an infant in his body too in his subconscious has the vocabulary of an adult. For an adult to come along and talk so-called baby talk to a baby does nothing more than confuse the daylights out of the poor child. Any child who was raised

to speak to him as if they understand, as if the child understands them, that child will be far more emotionally, intellectually normal than a child who is spoken to by his brothers and sisters and parents in so-called baby talk. It is when the child is first subjected to what we call the group concept that he learns that not only can he but he must sever these two functions. A measure of social maturity today is in your ability to hide what's in your mind, isn't it? And when the child is first subjected to the group concept, when he learns this, and he must not be so outspoken and say what he thinks, he cuts the two, he severs the two, buries his subconscious, learns that now he can lie, cheat, steal. The next advance in our society, the greatest advance in our society will be when we reverse the requirements for social maturity to where your measure of your social maturity will be in your ability to share what's in your mind.

It is these people who retain this tie between body one and body two who turn out to be the Gene Dixons, who turn out to be the ESP sensitives, who turn out to be mind readers, who show us they can communicate at any range.

It is the body two, by the way, which never dies. It is the body two which, when the body one dies, is freed on its own for all eternity. And believe me, there is every reason to scientifically believe there is an eternity for everyone who see into the future. We have discovered in delving into this ESP that those whose body twos a long time after their body ones have died, evidently have discovered the ability to travel in time. And we have gone through many excursions with people who have died and we have gone through all kinds of authentication to prove that the people we were conversing with were indeed the person they said they were. And in traveling in time, they predict what's in the future. They describe what's in the past. So that a living person who has sensitive means of communication has still this tie between body one and body two, is communicated to by these who travel in time. And comes up with a date. This April we're going to have

a tremendous earthquake in California. That's where it came from. Now, the ability to read the exact date in the future is a rare one. Extremely rare. This means of communication carries within it a tremendous amount of spoofing, pretending, wishful thinking, and just plain lying by those in the body two world. It's not as factual a means of communication as we would like it to be. So that somebody who is pretending or maybe even thinking there properly predicting in the future could communicate to a sensitive earthquake prediction. California will float into the sea and so forth. And it's not true. I can predict to you precisely what will happen in the next cataclysm. We know that. Incidentally, it's described in my book which I have here called The Adam and Eve Story. This is a summation of the cataclysmic word which I wrote. Little thing. And my wife has some back there if you want them. Anyway, the new North Pole next time

will be just east of India in the Bay of Bengal. That will move to the North Pole. The new South Pole will be just west of Peru. That will move to the South Pole. How about that? The pivot points will be just south of the Sudan Basin in Africa on zero longitude and 180 degrees around on the Marshall Islands in the Pacific. That's the pivot point. No place to hide. If you want to go to a high survival probability area, believe it or not, South Africa. It's a triangle actually between Nairobi, Johannesburg, and the Belgian Congo. Leopoldville. And if you want to go to a place that's decent much like the weather here around Johannesburg. Year round. If you want to go, if you want your family to go, go now because when the time comes there's going to be a mad rush and the barriers will be up. Go when you can get in. I think that what's happening down there should be straightened out in a hurry in the best way possible and all the seeds of our civilization

planted there because the next civilization will rise from that location. If we believe in passing on anything from our civilization let's try to pass on the seeds not the strife. So, when it comes to California earthquakes the next time we'll see California the whole United States go southward and the Pacific Ocean will go west to east as we go southward and hit the California coast with a wall of water somewhere about six to ten miles high. And it'll sweep across this nation in less than a fraction of a day and you tell me what's left. It happened before this very same way and that's what piled up the Rockies the way they are. It happened when the Hudson Bay tumbled to the equator. It happened when the Sudan Basin tumbled to the equator. We will emerge from this inundation in the south temperate zone and it takes six days for the waters to settle down again to the peaceful seventh day. And this is what's described in Genesis 1, 2, and 3

the catechism of 11,500 years ago. It's actually a recreation each time. Now we say oh, terrible everybody's going to die there's no question about that how you die I'd like to see this happen, wouldn't you? What a tremendous adventure. Your body, too, is going to survive. Why not, really? I'm in a rush, believe me. But we'll emerge washed clean brand new continent ready to go again think of all the exploration to come new shorelines new oceans no more pollution it's the greatest population regulator known man isn't going to do it for himself, you know but you know that man isn't going to regulate his use of natural resources either this is one of the greatest reshuffling of natural resources known I've often wondered what would an archaeologist 5,000 years, 6,000, 7,000 years from now what would he find here of what we have and I think of glass, no glass isn't permanent that deteriorates lumber, why there every building going would be

just swept clean by this wall of water what would he find? Well, you know, porcelain he would find bathtubs and commodes we are the bathtub-iest, commode-iest society in the history of man you know that's the first thing he would conclude he'd find mountains of these piled up talk about mammalian flesh and bones this is what he'd find so that note of looking into the future really I'd like to throw the floor open to verbal questions rather than having them written we'll cover much more ground in much less time that way if there are questions will you please ask, yes

all right now, it's not the inner core you see the mantle is 1,800 miles thick and then comes the inner core and the whole mantle of 1,800 miles is just too much to move that fast you can't do it but in the mantle the crust is about it varies between 10 and 30 miles thick but 60 miles down in the mantle starts this molten layer which extends 60 miles further now the fact that this exists worldwide is proven more by oceanography than anything else do you know that tides all over the world at high tide are only 7 tenths as high as they should be were the water on a rigid sphere that means that the depth of water increases a certain number of feet but the altitude of the water has only increased 7 tenths of the total depth not where it should be it has depressed the floor of the ocean into the molten layer that much, just a few feet of water people down at engineers down at Kennedy Palace that they survey in benchmarks on a range

and the day after they survey them in they're moved by tides up and down sideways now now what happens is this after each cataclysm you have ice caps which have moved to near an equator and they start rotating about the equator and they melt and the oceans rise 220 feet, 200 feet, somewhere around there the new areas at the poles start growing new ice caps now the dynamic balance with the ice caps rotating about the equator is nice and solid and steady and nobody's going to tip it from there but now you melt all of them and you put new ones at the top and you put them a little bit off center now the shell is now unbalanced again it's wobbling today, we know that the chief of the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington D.C. has done more to mathematically correlate this movement than any one man he's taken the data from all the observatories around the world and he is, he wrote a paper called Latitude Longitude and the Sectorial Movement of the Pole

and he traced it into vectors like this and a resultant vector, there is a movement this way and there is a wobble movement that way and he just said that's the way it is I correlated what he came up with to the torques offered by the ice caps because of their off centeredness the ice cap rotating around wants to fly off the earth, gravity says no you stay here, so the resultant is it wants to move around but since it's landlocked it can't move around so it wants to pull the land it's on with it and it can't because it's got the whole shell of the earth to pull, besides that the molten layer beneath it isn't acting like a lubricant because the inner magnetic and electrical energy is making it act like a solid, so the earth in essence roughly follows all of the laws of what we call a ball gyroscope now if you take a ball, a steel ball and you start it spinning and you put it in space, it's going to follow certain rotational laws

and one is that any change within it will not affect its rotation only a change from without a push from without for instance will make a change direction of rotation however if you could make a shell on this and lubricate the shell and imbalance the shell the shell will change its position about the interior without a force from without pushing it got me? so this torque of the ice caps is constantly trying to pull the shell around, and the Antarctic ice cap and the Greenland ice cap are working in couple with each other to pull the shell around to pull the shell around and it won't be until the molten layer 60 miles down is freed to act as a free liquid by taking out the magnetic field strength and doing away with the magnetic and electrical energy in it that it will be acting as a free liquid and then the torques will go whoosh and away goes the shell we have enough evidence from past civilizations to indicate that there is about a 40 year

warning period when it starts when it is freed for a short time and the shell starts to go but then it stops because it wasn't totally freed and it's restored for a little bit we have some indication I contend that there might be an indication that the Alaskan earthquake which was not the Alaskan earthquake that's only the place where it started it was a worldwide earthquake it cropped up all over the world it was just a real ringing earthquake all inside this earth that could have been the first warning because there are plenty of indications the shell of the earth did slip a little at that time there was a question in the back, yes well this is another stress I didn't mention actually another thing the IGY came up with was that the floor of the Pacific Ocean today is literally a seething cauldron of escaping gases and we know that this is from the molten layers inside the earth anytime you have molecular conflagration

I'm talking about burning leaves in your front yard or molten lava anytime you have a molten state not in nuclear temperatures but molecular burning temperatures you're going to get normal byproducts of combustion, one of which is water this is where our springs come from in the mountains the other is gas, CO2 and this escaping gas comes through the Pacific floor but it's trapped under continents and this is one of the things that creates a total steady stress leading to earthquakes so that every earthquake is a combination of relieving the bulk stresses the torque stresses and the gas stresses from underneath yes, Churchard was right but the gas was only one of the things he was incomplete yes first of all, did you all hear that question? what is the effect of underground nuclear explosions and do I think that Vesuvius will erupt again? and Paley? first of all I am dead set

against any nuclear detonation of any kind as a scientist I am dead set against a nuclear detonation of any kind from a spiritual point of view I am dead set against any nuclear detonation of any kind from a conservation of the structure of the universe point of view now we know that every time you destroy matter in this fashion you change the balance of nature as it is created and if we think it's limited to the area we do it in we've got another thing coming and the people who first uncovered this were the Soviets in their tremendous shots in the back in the late 1950's now at that time one of the new sciences well it really wasn't new it was about 50 years old but the unpursued sciences was earth currents the study of electrical currents within the earth I myself have built three earth current stations and I know what the study of earth currents means at that time the Soviets had 30 earth current stations in Russia proper alone

not counting what they had in Siberia Vladivostok at ships at sea like the Vostok studying nothing but earth currents and in Antarctica we had three stations on our continent only three and today I defy anybody to get any government money to build an earth current station to learn what's going on inside this earth and we shot off these megatonners up there long before anybody else shot off megatonners many megatonners that there's earth current recording stations in Antarctica recorded an instantaneous pulse at the instant the bomb went off now by all standards of E equals mc squared by all standards of transmission of energy at the speed of c the speed of light there should have been a time delay of about 0.05 seconds and yet there was not no that's above ground which means that somehow that pulse got through instantaneously from one end of this globe to the other now this now has been verified by our work in particle physics with this particle

of infinitesimal size which I say has to do with gravity and has to do with ESP and body too we know from our theories of the generation of gravitational fields of our theories of the involvement of this particle in it and the structure of the human soul if you will that you can destroy a whole with a nuclear detonation that's the only way to break it up that's the only way to break up a body too if you bomb a city with a nuclear bomb everyone caught with that bomb has no hereafter think of that what's life I mean it's momentary but what's hereafter you take that away from a civilization what have you got alright you ask so any subsurface shot measuring the physical effects from it they're not even measuring the earth current effects try to get in with that kind of a program and you can't get in the physical effects the seismic effects are all they're measuring and the other physical effects now we do know this that when you have a volcano

it's a planetary version of a sunspot there is tremendous electrical activity in a volcano they've done much more earth current work than we've done in our country they've put probes around a volcano and studied it when it was not erupting as compared to when it was erupting and it's a center of such electrical activity during eruption that it has to be they've concluded and I concur with them that it has to be far more than just a physical pressure phenomena it's a an electrical phenomena it's a magneto-hydrodynamic phenomena it's an eruption of this molten layer 60 miles down through the shell of the earth and it isn't just because there happened to be a fissure or a leak there it's because there is a gathering of electrical and magnetic energy which is a very tiny version of a sunspot on our planet now you ask me will Etna or Pele erupt again and I say I haven't checked on that even through ESP just for the fun of it there will be volcanoes

heavens yes we are pretty sure that as a cataclysm nears volcanic activity multiplies by many times incidentally when we go through one of these magnetic null zones during a cataclysm we evidently pass through the solar system and this is the solar system traversing outward in the galaxy and we pass through this asteroid belt and we hit these tremendous amounts of meteors meteorites and asteroids and that's where all the craters on the moon come from that's where the craters on Mars come from and their craters exist here on our planet too the reason we don't see them is because of the oceans now Mars does not have any radiation belts it lost its radiation belts fairly recently in a cataclysm because at this time of passing through a null in magnetic field energy if you retain your radiation belt it's because you're in a very strong position to do so Mars is evidently in a weak position to do so however it's on a fundamental node

from the sun it probably lost its radiation belts in a matter of thousands of years ago because there's enough temperature left inside the planet to create moisture on the planet that we see and there are so few craters on the planet of Mars that the previous ones had to be wiped out by inundations during cataclysms the moon, which was a planet between Earth and Mars a periodic ring not a fundamental ring lost its radiation belts a long, long time ago and the subsequent cataclysms have been recorded by collisions with asteroids until you have this plethora of craters on the moon as we see it today by all that Velikovsky uncovered in terms of legends we have to go along with the moon being captured by the Earth and he erroneously mistakes what the civilizations of those times called Venus for the Venus that we call Venus today the moon had to be their Venus and it went into its new orbit around the Earth 11,500 years ago this is my interpretation of Velikovsky's work

which makes it a lot more plausible incidentally the moon just couldn't have come out of the Earth if we look at the position of the planets every planet Mercury and Venus and Earth and Mars are all on fundamental rings the moon is now on a ring that is the first harmonic ring away from the sun so it would naturally be a very small planet if you look at the orbit of the moon about the sun today not about the Earth, about the sun it doesn't loop around like this it zigzags around inside, outside the Earth's orbit like this and that is the path it describes as a result of being captured by our planet but if you take the speed the orbit of where it is when it's outside the Earth and presume that to be the orbit about the sun it comes very close to the orbit of what it should have been by Kepler's laws before it was captured by the Earth and the speed around the Earth today the tangential speed out there is by Kepler's laws what it should have been orbiting about the sun

at that distance yes any viruses? I really couldn't say, I haven't studied that gee whiz, I'm weak in that area how about that there were some over here questions? I thought I saw a hand yes, I'm glad you brought that up we have a pretty strong hypothesis

of how these particles are formed I won't go into it here tonight because it's too technical about the hollow Earth theory the hollow Earth theory as let's say hypothesis as being a big hollow space inside the Earth down in the mantle to me is impossible every seismologist is a laugh to me from a point of seismology it is a laugh because the seismology is a firm enough science to show us positively that it's impossible that the density of the Earth of the mantle at those depths is known the speed of seismic waves and the deflection of them follows certain mathematical laws which prove that it has to be solid not a hollow down there now let's go into how it could be possible alright if this hollowness exists within the 60 mile thick shell of the Earth now we've got plausibility suppose in our civilization down around the tropics somewhere and let's say just for the fun of it let's put it in the Himalaya mountains or Himalaya mountains

and let's put it in maybe Borneo back in the jungles maybe there are caves there where they go deep maybe 10 miles deep, no deeper gets too hot gets too close to that molten layer maybe 10 miles but down there let's say for instance there are tremendous caverns and we've got people there let's say let's go wild now let's get real wild and say they've got all the secrets they've got flying saucers they've got motherships they've got everything down there not only that they've learned how to tap the energy from the 60 mile layer of molten energy below them they know how to tap it and make light from it energy from it and they have a creative life that doesn't age you as fast you live much longer if you live in those caves they have old civilizations and cities down there it's real wild isn't it but now let's say the next cataclysm comes and they're yanked up to the north pole along with the bay of Bengal winding up at the north pole

remember and after this is over they climb out to see Wahabin and oh man it's cold up here and they go back down in it's much better down there isn't it well now let's go wild and say they had this kind of ability or maybe two civilizations ago I don't know their description has to be Pike's Peak and only a handful of these about a dozen of them made it to the top and uh they talk about standing on top of the mountain and watching all of this molten stuff break through below and bury the rest of their tribe in this sea of molten fire and then the ocean came in almost to their feet amidst this howling wind and then it receded and there were just the chief and a handful of young ones and children left who were strong enough make this run to the top and there were just the chief and a handful of young ones and children left who were strong enough to make this run to the top and all of their laws were just wiped out uh they could reproduce

as fast as they could at any age get to replenish the tribe and this was the seed of all of the western tribes you know it's what this group of India but this just grounds for food the

pestilence so there are hardly any plant life there's nothing what do you eat what do you dig with what are you right with that's where Stone Age is coming from why is it that the old Stone Age is 11,000 years ago the new Stone Age is 6,500 years ago they date right along with the last two cataclysms everybody's driven back to a Stone Age every time it happened that's why we need to retain more seeds of civilization for the next time all right so if one civil this is what they find when they come down and look after and they say let's get out of here it's much better up on the mothership so if there are motherships you're going to be able to get out of here it's much better up on the mothership so if there are motherships you're going to be able to get out of here it's much better up on the mothership and they that's where they say wouldn't you and believe me if we know if you're

going to build one like that but can't you build it without disease without crime what civilization here compared to that yes I'll answer you by saying that I

believe from our work and body to ology if you want to call it that that it's

the reverse is true that were the

that you're saying well if we had this the Buddha would have told me so many

years ago about the science of change about what is material and I'm a little bit confused but what we can do is we can just to measure the number of things that need to be changed and that's the only thing I think that we need to do is to measure the number of things that need to be changed and we need to measure all of them and measure that but what we don't have is an exact model I think that's more than enough but that's not enough we these things we need to do is to measure your behavior and that's not enough but how can we do it we need to be more and more pure and more pure so if we look at the other side and then the other side than other animals, ducks and geese. Do you remember the Alaskan earthquake? Did you read in the newspapers what happened in the Tacoma Zoo? At the very instant of onset of the earthquake, before the seismic waves had a chance to leave the area, the animals in the Tacoma Zoo started setting up a real holler.

And the peculiar thing about it was the orderliness with which it progressed. It started with the animals with the highest degree of equilibrium sense, the navigational sense, the ducks, the geese. It went from there on down through anthropoids, right down to the animals of least equilibrium sense. But they started in that order, and it was a clamor second to none. And the owners and the keepers of the zoo say that happens every time there's an earthquake. But that time was particularly bad, that they were, animals were all frantic because of it. And it's a kind of a clamor that cows are said to put up every time they're approached by a UFO. Why? Because their navigational reference is knocked off kilter by the energy coming from the ship into the ground, upsetting their normal navigational reference. To answer your question further, beyond what you asked, it is so powerful a thing for people to gather together

and think the same thought, that they can influence almost anything they want to. If people were to gather together in rings and join hands around a center in concentric rings and think the same thought, they could almost govern the policy of a nation, depending on the size of their rings. A very famous sensitive in Nebraska told a friend of mine in a private session that the day other people will feel we are ready to be communicated with by people of other worlds will be the day that we gather enough people in, well, something as big as the Coliseum, who are all, firmly in the belief and the faith that what they are doing will succeed. And they all join hands concentrically, and all think the same thought under one leader in the center, who is speaking that thought out loud. And it comes through as one thought, with no jamming, no disbelief, that means. Then we are ready as a civilization to be communicated with by others.

And it really makes sense. If you've ever studied ESP. I differ with that for one reason. Now this, I had not planned on saying this tonight, but I'll say it. We have found in our ventures into this body 2 world, that the body 2, the subconscious, the soul, call it what you will, does not always wait till death, to leave body 1. Sometimes it will leave in a glowing spiritual astral experience. Sometimes it will leave in near brushes with death, and come right back. But we find that under conditions of tremendous pressure, I'm talking about indoctrinal pressure, of a religious nature, of parental pressure, of educational pressure, where you are said, you told your, you think like I tell you to think or else. And you get this long enough, the body 2 will say, I will have no more of this and leave. And you have literally a person without a body 2. And we find a prevalence of this state of existence in communists. They have absolutely no empathy,

a person without a body 2. And you cannot reach them with prayer. What's the alternative? Fight for your life.

This was in manuscript. It gave the scientific facts about cancer and cancer treatment. And about a year ago, we were approached after a speech I gave on cancer by some very fine businessmen in Palos Verdes estate, who asked us to form a trust, which we did. It's called the Cancer Science Charitable Trust. And they gave thousands to this trust, to the work that we are doing. And the purpose of this trust is to get the best possible scientific means for the treatment of cancer and leukemia into the hands of the medical profession legally as soon as possible. We are succeeding to the extent that the use of amygdalin is now legal in this state. Amygdalin. A-M-Y-G-D-A-L-I-N. Erroneously known, erroneously known as Laetrile. It's legal to a limited extent in that the California Advisory Council will allow its use only on application by a reputable physician. We expect to, by June or July, sponsor clinical work in one of our more famous foundations,

hospitals right here in the Los Angeles area, to take the last step in making it generally legal to use this treatment everywhere. We've gone through the first steps of going through the animal efficacy tests and animal toxicity tests. And while all of this fight was going on, nobody had ever taken the trouble to go through the legal steps necessary. The fight was over nothing. All anyone had to do was to obey the law, and it would have been accepted. The National Cancer Institute has duplicated our animal toxicity and animal efficacy tests and are endorsing this treatment from top to bottom, saying it's the best thing that ever came through the Institute. There is no fight. There's no war. Better we not publish that book. Understand? Laetrile came... Now, I'll get technical for a moment. You can find Amygdalin, A-M-Y-G-D-A-L-I-N, in Webster Merriam's International Dictionary. It's been known to the chemistry profession

for 200 years. It's known that it's been non-toxic intravenously in the human being for that long a time. It's comprised of an aromatic molecule and a cyanide molecule and two sugar molecules, two dextrose molecules. The Laetrile first conceived was a manufactured substance similar to that, which had, instead of the two sugar molecules, a glucuronic acid molecule, which does not occur in nature. It was called Laetrile. And the name was loosely applied to Amygdalin. And to stay legal and to stay correct, we say Amygdalin now, because that's what it is.

[01:46:28] Audience questions and discussion

Now, Amygdalin... We know that when we get this treatment to people, and incidentally, we're legally treating people now, bringing them out of terminal. I have a couple of beautiful cases of it. We're going to... There won't be enough Amygdalin around to get it out of apricot pits. And within a few months, it'll be all gone. We've got to synthesize, and we've already known what it takes to synthesize, and we're going to synthesize something else and go through all the testing all over again and be ready for... We'll see where, within a year to two years, we'll have cancer and leukemia wiped out in this country. There are 1,000 people a day dying of cancer and leukemia in this country today. What's Vietnam? What's automobiles? Yes?

No, we have been through experimental work that is almost unbelievable. We have also been through devising a training program to train anybody to communicate this way, and we had a teenager who could communicate a whole pack of cards... receive a whole pack of cards without error after the training. It's quite possible to train anybody this way. I mean anybody. Yes. Everybody has the ability. Everybody's born with it, and everybody can get it back through proper training. And it is possible to scan any group and get a reading. And get a reading of the group by this means of communication. And this is what we did. We scanned groups. Yes. And the response you get from a group is interesting. The response we got from criminal groups was very interesting. Fascinating. I contend that if this means were used to its fullest extent, we could understand and fight crime in this country far better than we're dreaming of right now.

It takes a... almost it takes a separate unit of people trained for this who don't even associate with civilization. Because the minute you associate with normal civilization, you are forced back into this position of severing the body one and body two functions. So you have to fight to get back the tie between conscious and subconscious every day. Yes.

I can scan this group and get negative thoughts from any... any place in the room. Oh, I get the positive ones. You bet. But you'd be surprised how negative ones stand out like a sore thumb. Oh, yes. I've had some very interesting experiences in this respect. Back in 1962, up till that time, anybody who talked about cataclysmology was considered a real crackpot. He was a nut of the first order. And on the day our first order came, when the fourth child was born, I was supposed to give a talk on cataclysmology at the University of Wichita. And I stayed with Eleanor all day. And I was... See, I didn't leave till 10.30 that morning after the child was born. And I took a flight to Oklahoma City and they met me with a private plane there and flew me to Wichita. I had a quick shower and showed up at the banquet just in time to start dinner. And I hadn't had my clothes off except for that shower for 48 hours. It was a... Oh, this is something else

I'm going to get into. I've got to say this because we've done work on natural childbirth for years. And another thing we found out in this body tube business is that how a child is born shapes his body too as to whether it's battling or peaceful. And natural childbirth is one of the greatest influences toward an emotionally healthy child from that respect you could ever hope for. I won't go into the details but there are details of why. Anyway, when I stood up to talk that night I think I was more relaxed than I'd ever been in my life. 48 hours. And I talked. They had me... Oh, I found out after I got there that this was a symposium of every professional scientific and engineering society in the state of Kansas. And they had me there to talk to them on catechismology. And the table right in front of me of about 30 people was all the geologists. And physicists way over there and everybody else. Just amazing. And all through my speech

I was on my feet talking from 8.30 till 11.30. Three hours. They had me in a two-hour question and answer session. And about 2,000 people there and not a soul left. And all through the speech and the question and answer session I was getting signals from over at this direction that were tending to bury me. Oh, it was awful. I was getting beautiful signals from the geologists. I was utterly amazed. I thought I'd get them from down there. And I had to stop in the middle of the Q&A session and I said, somebody over at the physics table is fighting mad at me. And I want him to stand up and give me his question and stop burying it within himself. And this guy stood up in a livid rage and fired a question at me. He had just finished writing his Ph.D. thesis discounting everything I was saying. And I was upsetting his whole world, you see. And after he did that, the guy who was obviously the head of the geologists table, an old white-haired gentleman

with a happy smiling face, stood up and he said, Mr. Thomas, our table here, he said, none of us are book boys. We're all practicing geologists out in the field. We see what you talk about. He said, believe me, we've had the most thrilling night in our lives because you have solved every heretofore unsolved problem in geology with what you said tonight. And he sat back down again. So this guy then, he walked out. Yes. They're doing something

up at Cambridge Research Center on this now. But I read their papers on it and they're too technically involved in it to get properly involved. I think that I may submit an unsolicited proposal for Chan Incorporated, which is my company. We laughingly say that stands for creative harassment and nuisances to do some prime contract work for them. We've done prime contract work for the Air Force. However, we're pretty sure that it is not really plausible in that the astronauts are not isolated to the extent that they can indulge in this as factual communications, reliably. Now, we have in past communicated with them while they were in orbit around the Earth and asked them for questions, asked them questions about their position, their location, and the time and everything. And we purposely were not keeping track of where they were. So that this was the only answer we got at the time. After the mission was over, we went back and checked

the information and it was correct. We've had other interesting experiences. For instance, do you remember the crash of the DC-6, United DC-6 and the GWA constellation in the Grand Canyon oh, ten some years ago? Remember that? We communicated with the, now this is just four years ago we did this. We communicated with a stewardess on the United flight and she gave us her name. We didn't know who it was. We didn't know who the crew was. She gave us her name. We checked on it and it was her name. So there was that factual verification. And we asked her, what happened after they crashed? And she said, well everybody was standing around and then we realized that we were dead. I said, well then what did you do? She said, well we spent the rest of the day climbing up the canyon. How pitiful. They could have been out like that. You see? That's all it would have taken. Incidentally, in our civilization do you realize that we prepare people for birth,

we prepare them for life but we never prepare them for death and yet everybody's going to go through it. You and I, right? I'm in a rush. Neither are you. But let me tell you what to expect. And the people who suffer the most are those who die suddenly. Battlefield deaths, automobile accident deaths. When you die, it's a birth. Believe me. The first thing you feel, suppose you die suddenly like in an automobile accident. The first thing is that you realize that you're stark naked. This body too doesn't carry the clothes with it but all it takes is a thought and it's clothed again. Did you ever dream as a child that you had no clothes on? Lots of people do. That's actually a body too experience where your body too is going out taking a trip during your sleep and it sees that it's naked. That's a body too experience where your body too is going out taking a trip during your sleep and it sees that it's naked. And sometimes, if you remember,

you could even think clothes and you've got clothes on. That's all it takes. Then the first impulse is to continue doing what you were doing. If you were driving a car and you were in a crash, well, you want to do it again and keep on going. You look here, well, there's the car and by golly, there I am lying there. No, it can't be. I'm here. You see, what we know also is that the body too is your personality, your memory and your life. See, everything which is you is in body too, not body one. It is the part of you that is you, the body too. Now, so now you say, all right, well, am I alive or am I dead? What do I do? First conduct a very simple test. Take two fingers and see if you can run one through the other. If you can, it's something different, isn't it? All right. If you still don't believe it, walk up to somebody who's, you know, walking around like the policeman who's taking notes. You walk up to him and make a crack to him that you never would make

to a policeman. See what happens. If he ignores you, doesn't even act like you're there, well, you can be pretty sure. Now, if you die a normal death, let's say, with your boots off and you're sick in bed, sick in bed, be prepared to have friends from the beyond whom you haven't seen for a long, long time come and help you through. One thing you'll find is that everyone has an assignment in this body tool world. Everyone. You have yours. I have mine. If you find out what this assignment is before you die, so much the better. Some people, especially women, have the assignment of helping babies who die. Imagine the hereafter of a baby who has not had a life. And he's got to be trained somehow. He's got to be given some knowledge or else his hereafter is nothing. There are women who have this task. I know yet of no man who has this task. You've heard of guardian angels? Hmm? You know what they call themselves? Watchers. There are people who have this assignment.

You all, on the day you're born, you're assigned a watcher. If you want to check this and you have a Ouija board at home, that is your communications medium. It does not do a thing. There's nothing mysterious about it. There's nothing supernatural about it. All it is is an indication for what your nervous system, your body, too, is receiving. Treat it like a telephone. When you call somebody on the telephone, first you address, don't you? You dial. Then somebody says, Hello. Will you just sit there and wait for them to say something? No. You talk to them. You get an answer back and converse. Right? When you write a letter, do you just put a blank envelope in the mailbox? No. You write an address on it. All right. So you want to talk to somebody. If you say it out loud, your body, too, is putting out the same message. And that's the one that counts. Saying it out loud organizes your body, too, thoughts. So you say, I want to talk to so-and-so.

I want to talk with Lizzy Glotch in East Hackensack, New Jersey. Lizzy Glotch will answer. But you've got to clear the line. Say, I want everybody else off this line. Just Lizzy Glotch. Now, one of the things that you'll find if you use this, and don't ever just stop. When you're on the telephone, you say, well, it's nice talking to you. Goodbye. Hang up, right? Don't ever just stop. Close out a conversation. Goodbye. Nice talking with you. Thank you. You're welcome. Use the niceties of everyday politeness. It works. Now, you'll find that if you address central control, you'll get an answer. And this is the foundation, factual information beyond all fanciful dreams. But there are spoofers, there are liars, there are pretenders, there are wishful thinkers, and you've got to sort them out from the truants. There are those who will even masquerade as central control. You've got to, if you doubt what you're told, you jam the system. And this is interesting.

Faith brings success. And this to me, oh boy, we can talk about Jesus here, walking on the water. Now Jesus knew how to make his body two leave his body one. And do a benefit to other people with it. And to demonstrate this to his disciples, he said, look, I'll make my body two walk on water. And he showed them. And he had trained them well enough to where they were seeing his body two with their body twos and their body ones. They had connection. Which he had trained them to have. Yet they didn't understand it. They thought that he himself with his body one was out there in the water. And he was doing this to train them. To teach them how to live in the body two world. Oh, we could go into a, that's another lecture of mine, called Jesus on the Cross. We know so much about what he did then. Yes.

First of all, we live in a, we live in a world of social acceptability. Scientific acceptability. I'm speaking things here tonight which are scientifically repugnant. You understand? And I know that. And I know that I could be hung from the highest yard as a scientist for saying this. Yet I'm just saying this. Because I think they're of value to say. Uh, people who are raised in an intellectually, spiritually free environment with very little parental pressure, if none, if possible. Children who don't lie ever grow up to be this kind of a person. You understand? Uh, it's amazing to associate with a child like that. Uh, because they're untouched. They're untouched by the pressures of civilization which demand that you lie. They're untouched by the pressures of civilization which demand that you lie. My, you have the prettiest hat on today. You know, like hell she does. You know? Just a chance remark like that has its effect. To say something

you don't mean has its effect on severing your own body one and body two. Your own conscious and subconscious. No. Every child is born with its conscious and subconscious, as far as we can determine, closely tied together. It is only by influence around that child that the two are severed. And, to me, if this is true, it speaks so loudly for God's intent of how civilization should be. We're given the chance at birth to live the kind of life that would be fantastic. If, suppose that the rule of society that, uh, for your social maturity, your measure of sharing what's in your mind were paramount, hm? If you were found starting to, trying to hide what's in your mind, you'd be sent to the asylum. See? You'd be, not to the asylum, you'd be sent for training. You'd be sent to the psychiatrist for reattachment of body one and body two. See? Uh, and maybe the psychiatrist wouldn't be a psychiatrist anymore. He'd be the co- a brand new profession, which is a combination

of doctor, minister, and psychiatrist. He'd have to be, wouldn't he? Uh, who would dare plan a crime? Who would dare plan a war? Who would dare intend to do evil to anyone else? Many of the thoughts which we have today which society tells us are evil would be so standard to everyone we realize they're not evil at all. It's only intent to do evil to others that is truly evil, I think. Uh, other, other thoughts aren't really evil. And who would dare to intend he'd be uncovered like that if we all shared minds, if we all retained this tie between one and two. Jane Dixon has a fabulous tie between her body one and body two and it's her watcher that feeds her information about the future. Yeah. I really don't know

how you change a society. Jesus got himself killed for trying to do it too fast. The individual can't do it because it's wiped out by society the minute you put a child in school. We had our children's, our teenagers' minds, one and two's, connected to the extent it just took two weeks in an Easter vacation. We said, and they went back to school, one of them in high school, one of them in junior high, and they came back from school that day and my, our son said to my, gosh, he said, what's, what's an exam? I know what the teacher's thinking. I know what the kids are thinking. She's thinking, you know, all the right answers up there. Our very educational system is founded on the basis of hiding what's in your mind. Our daughter came home from junior high and said, oh my gosh. She said, if all the girls in school knew how to do this, not one of them would dare have a catty thought again. And it just took a matter of a few weeks and they were severed again.

They couldn't do it and they couldn't keep them. Our six-year-old child was absolutely fabulous in this means of communication. All it took was a month in kindergarten. In kindergarten, she'd come home and it's amazing when this severance takes place. The spark goes out of a child's eye. Do you remember on Danny Kaye's Christmas show a few years ago, this child Victoria sat on his lap and she sat there with stars in her eyes looking at him, seeing something, something, expedaliosis, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. No child could say that on her own. But you see, show people to be a good transmitter. Let's say, to be a good transmitter of ESP, you put out the same signal with your body two that you do your body one. And what you do with an audience is actually capture every one of their subconscious with your subconscious. A good speaker, a good showman has this ability of putting out everything he's putting out subconsciously as well as consciously.

Johnny Carson has it. Danny Kaye has it. And here this child who still had a strong connection between body one and body two sat there reveling in the concept that here is an adult who's telling me the same thing with his voice as he is with his mind. And all she did was voice back what he was communicating to her. He was sending her

[02:10:08] Closing remarks

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious. And she was just saying it as he thought it. You see? And she captivated the whole country, the letters he got. He had her back. Well, right after that, her mother, who was a frustrated actress, took the girl and gave her training. See, pressure here, pressure there, pressure here, speaking, acting, at that age. And she revolted against this. She was thrown into the world of severed ones and twos. She rebelled against the whole thing. She came back on his show and had no communication with him and was worthless. He never had her back again. And you could see her eyes had changed. We saw this in our third child. Literally, the stars leave a child's eyes when this happens. It's tragic, literally. Our civilization will mature when we realize this. When we open a special school somewhere and we send children there and bring them up this way to retain that tie, then we'll mature. That's what to do about it.

I didn't think of that until just now. Let's open an experimental school somewhere and send children to pre-kindergarten there where the teacher doesn't say, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. But any child who commits evil to another child is out. Only children who do not do evil to other children are allowed there. There are enough children going around, there are enough children available that you're allowed that room. You'll be full. That school will be full. I'll bet you if I put a notice out in the paper we are opening a school like this in one year, it would be jammed. Just jammed. And send those children all through school, no exams. No exams. The minute you have an exam, you've cut the conscious and subconscious. You can't give a school with no exams to present-day civilization. But the minute you start a civilization that says, we share minds, not when we want to, but all the time, you've got the only available

next step forward. Religion hasn't done it, has it? It's a tragic thing. Yes. It's all right. It's all right. Yes.

Let's talk body, too, as the soul. All right? This is what I meant by soul. There are two ways to annihilate a body, too. You don't annihilate it. You break it up. You destroy its entity. First of all, its entity. You destroy its structure. It's a gathering of particles. If there is some way to scatter those particles, then you've broken up the structure. All right? And nuclear detonation will scatter those particles in the vicinity of the nuclear detonation. Everywhere in that detonation that atoms are broken up, that structure will be broken up and scattered. Well, I think that the person,

the personality, the memory, the experience is all recorded and is part of the gathering of those particles. The function of the human mind having to do with memory is yet to be found. There is no place in the brain where memory can be found. The other way to destroy a body, too, is to put that body, too, in an inner core somewhere. If a body, too, doesn't know that it can travel to the extent that it can, which is anywhere, sometimes it doesn't know that it has to stay out of inner cores, inner core of a galaxy, inner core of a planet, inner core of a star. There is no... The magnetic field inside is so small that the body, too, particles will collapse into each other. It would just end right there. The particles would exist, but not as that entity anymore. Oh, my! I wish I'd brought with me something I just thought of, which came out of the temples in Hindustan 3,000 years ago. It is a recording by the Hindus as given to them by prehistoric civilizations

of India of the end of a planet, the end of a universe. And their description is so fantastically correct as to... It lends credence to a lot of things that we thought were the wildest of dreams. Their description of the shrinking of atoms to nothing, the shrinking of all living life, the disappearance of waters, and the stopping of time as we know it, and the time clock as to the age of our universe was so correct as to where we are right now as to compared to when we started. I think they said 4.32 billion years is our half-life, which is awfully correct. It's a very vivid thing that they described. Now, we have reason to believe that the universe as we know it is only one of many, many, almost an infinite number of universes. Perhaps, indeed, an infinite number of universes. And as each one is born with a big bang, that big bang is when it escapes from an inner core of a parent universe. And it goes through an outer core energy zone

of that universe and explodes. And that was our big bang. And it scatters and we are expanding now in an expanding universe. And as we go out and out and out, parts of our universe will wind up in other inner cores of other universes eventually. And as we approach, if we could, it would be time to leave and find another universe to live, wouldn't it? And there is every reason to believe, as far as I am concerned, on my own hypothesis, that man is old enough, a being, to where he has lived through many universes and moved from universe to universe and came here from a previous universe via space travel. And if you look at the plausibility of that, if you look at our planet alone and you look at how it operates as a motor and a generator, and it's rotating and orbiting, and it's taking energy in the North Pole and energy out the South Pole and energy emanating from it in terms of collision-less particles emanating from it, suppose we, instead of one South Pole,

could put three South Poles and somehow within it direct this energy out any one, two, or three of the South Poles. And let's make it hollow and put people in it instead of on it and make this collision-less particle thing controllable inside so we create a gravitational field inside commensurate with that that is on our planet. Now we've got, functionally, a freely navigating planet rather than one which just orbits and rotates. And within this world of collision-less particles, we can make it behave only in answer to the laws governing those. The speed of travel will take you to Saturn in five minutes or will take you to Andromeda over the weekend. You see? It's far more plausible than we are led to believe by today's technology. So I firmly believe that man is a far more older creature than we are led to believe on this planet. We came, I think we came here from another world. I think that possibly some scouting is going on from people

who are looking for a new world to go to now. From people looking from a universe that's time to leave. It's possible. Yes. That information

which is stored in the pyramid of Khufu at Giza was meant for our civilization now. While we, the, Egypt itself would be inundated partly and emerge again as the land of the ancient, the land of the ancients after the next time. The pyramid would not be the true, the reference to true north that it is today. If we were to build that pyramid today it would be impossible first of all to survey it in as accurately as it is surveyed in with reference to true north. We can't survey that accurately. And yet whoever laid it in predicted our north before the cataclysm that it is. Because it was laid out with respect to the present north before the last, last cataclysm. Now, I can't say really what would happen to it. Maybe we'll get around to building one for the next civilization. I don't know. We've got to discover more truth to put in it than we have I think. Now, what was God's design? First of all I, I think that the, the, I think that physical death in God's design

is not as significant as our civilization makes it out to be. So I think the significance of cataclysms is not that significant. We are in the midst of the half-life of our universe which puts our cataclysms much closer together. Now, let's, let's name periods of time. The last cataclysm was 6,500 years ago. The one before that was 5,000 years before that. Now, that was the shortest interval between cataclysms. Halfway between was the half-life of our universe. The one before that was 7,000 years before that. The one before that was 10,500 years before that. The one before that was 14,750 years before that. These are all mathematically derivable. Now, it's so that our civilization is in the midst of the times of when they do come closer together than ever before. Uh, what it takes, it takes about 5,000 years for man just to stagger back to his feet again as a civilization after one of these. Uh, look at what's happened in the past 100 years.

Oh, I can talk about all the technology in the world. But you can talk about advances of civilization in terms of some very simple things like man's attitude toward woman and childbirth. I can remember when the profession of obstetrician was scorned in the medical profession. It was only a few centuries ago that every woman in Europe had to be, uh, baked in front of a fire to rid her of her sins after the child was born. Look at the knowledge of, uh, of, uh, just how to deliver a baby in the past 50 years. Look at the attitude of man toward his fellow man just in the past 30 years. Our beat generation today, our hippie generation, is seeking a way, he doesn't know how, but he's seeking something better than we've got. Those who are not of the criminal element within it and they are not given the guidance, they don't know how. I say, and I could be wrong, of course, I'm only human, I say that the only real way is to teach our young people the retaining

of the tie between body one and body two. So, God's design, first of all, is, uh, when man refuses to regulate his own population, do it for him. And we certainly refuse to regulate our own population. As long as you have any religion, and there are a whole hat-full of religions like this, I'm not naming one, any religion that says, multiply as fast as you can with no restraints, you're going to have life as cheap as it is. And with life as cheap as it is, you're going to have war and crime. We've got an awful lot of maturing to do. Let's have, uh, just two more. One from you. Well, we're not sure what civilization built the pyramids. We really don't know. Legend says that a tall, blonde, blue-eyed race built it, which is certainly

not there today. Uh, yes. Oh, well, we, what they've changed into trap fields around, you see.

Oh, well, now, you're, you're going to have inside the earth, let's see, let's take, this is the earth, okay? And you have a magnetic field coming into the North Pole, let's say right at the Arctic Circle, okay? It doesn't just go through like that. It comes in and goes around like that and out. Now, this going out and around and through like that, but the Russian work in earth currents showed that the magnetic fields and the earth currents in the earth gather much, uh, they change much more rapidly with a change in depth than we ever had dreamt, which indicates a condensation of energy in the molten layer 60 miles down. Now, if you have a magnetic field going this way outside and this way inside, it's going this way clear to the surface of the earth, somewhere between where it goes this way inside and this way at the surface, there's a null zone, right? So right within our earth we have a null zone of null magnetic field strength. Now, the magnetic structure

of a planet with radiation belts is the same as any blue-white star, is the same as any galaxy like our Milky Way, like Andromeda, which means that there are areas in the galaxy of magnetic reversal within the galaxy. You see? And what we are evidently doing is traversing these reversals for cataclysms. Now, since a galaxy has the same shape of trapped fields, that means there is a big conical shape immediately above the North Pole and outside the South Pole of a galaxy, just like outside a star or a planet with radiation belts. Okay? Well, we've got to, it's getting late, so we've got to close the show. I've just got to tell you that one of the greatest pleasures in my life is sharing minds with people, and I've enjoyed very much sharing minds with you and having you share yours with me tonight. Thank you very much.