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1961 Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Intro By Lee Yates Orfeo Angelucci On His Like Of Dan Fry Then Flying Saucers And Their Revelation 2h27m P46

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [05:00] Main address
• [55:38] Development of the main themes
• [01:45:25] Audience questions and discussion
• [02:08:51] Closing remarks

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another meeting of the Inglewood Unit 15 of Understanding. Before we introduce our guest speaker of the evening, there are several announcements we wish to make. First, of course, there will be a ten-minute intermission following our speaker's talk. This will be followed by a drawing for a door prize. So, for those of you who had your ticket, be sure and keep it, because there will be a door prize to be given at that time. Then we'll have a written question-and-answer period. And for those of you who would like to write a question, paper and pencil will be provided to you during the intermission. Four, about our Understanding magazines and our books. They are offered as an approach to Understanding. No one organization has a monopoly on this subject. It's so huge and tremendous and difficult of attainment in the fullest sense, but at least once you... realize you're on the right track,

why you never stop striving to improve yourself, to acquire Understanding. Five, about our speakers and the various authors who present the material here. The opinions expressed are their own, of course, and do not necessarily represent ours in their entirety. We leave that to you to weigh and evaluate and to come to your own conclusion. Now, about our Understanding magazine, which is issued monthly by our editor, founder, and national president, Dan Fry. It is a small publication that comes out with a fine editorial by Dan Fry, flying saucer news, philosophical articles, news about the various units, which keeps you up to date in this new age that we are entering into. It doesn't just dwell on the phenomena. Because we, whether you realize it or not, are leaving that. A lot of people would like to still have the phenomena. But we are going into the inner meaning of Understanding,

and what the Space Brothers really want to bring out to the people here on this planet. About our various books, I'd like to bring to your attention several. I'd like to bring to your attention several books about our various books. I'd like to bring to your attention several. We use the best care we can in bringing you the books that we think will be helpful. In July, rather in June, we had a speaker here, Jessica Madigan, the Hollywood representative of the Association for the Enlightenment with regard to the life readings of Edgar Cayce. We didn't have any books at that time. They were out of print. We do have a few paperback. We do have a few paperback. And we just received, yesterday, There is a River, the story of Edgar Cayce by Thomas Segru. And for those of you who are really interested in this subject, by all means, try and get a copy of this. If we're out, we only had seven copies. But we'll get more if you let us know that you're interested in this.

This gentleman was a psychic, a clairvoyant. And in his early life, he thought he was a freak. He tried to down this gift of God that was given to him, and only later, after he was 30 years of old, I believe, he finally found out and came to the realization that he had a gift that was to be given to mankind. And from then on, he started helping people with no thought of himself and pay, but just to help the people with their problems. This tells it briefly. The book is only 75 cents plus tax there. And if you are really interested in learning more about this gentleman, who had the ability, while in a self-hypnotic trance, to give readings on many, many subjects, and they were over 90% correct. Doctors, lawyers, many people tried to prove that he was wrong. I remember reading about an attorney here in Los Angeles, I believe it was, on the West Coast, that wrote back to him about his client that had something wrong with an ailment that the doctors couldn't fix,

couldn't heal on one of his arms, either right or left. And back came the reply that it was the other arm. And the attorney, upon checking with his client, found that it was true. It is one of the books that you want to have in your library,

[05:00] Main address

and also to pass on to other people who are interested in awakening to what is happening in this new age. It's a background material that we all should have. Another book that is known throughout the United States, and is now being published and distributed in Germany, is our speaker's book, Orpio Angelucci's The Secret of the Saucers. This is one of the Son of the Sun, but The Secret of the Saucers is now being distributed in Germany. It's been translated in that language, and over there they have a tremendous group of people that are interested in this subject. The next book I'd like to bring to your attention, is called The Pentagon Case by Colonel Victor J. Fox. This book was introduced and brought to our attention by Major Wayne Ahole, a gentleman in the Flying Saucer Movement who heads one of the organizations back in Washington, D.C., who has alerted many of the senators, perhaps all of the senators and congressmen,

about the Flying Saucer Movement, and has done his best to bring out the truth about this movement, and who brought this book to our attention. Every parent should have this, to know about the evil forces that are doing their best to keep the truth from coming out. This gentleman nearly lost his life, not once, but several times, and the people he tried to inform about what was happening, he found suddenly tried to get him out of office. Spacecraft from Beyond Three Dimensions is written by Dudley Gordon Allen, an engineer in Oregon, an owner of several radio stations, a gentleman who is head of the Lemurian Club, who goes beyond the phenomena stage. He goes into the inner meaning of flying saucers and the probability of where they come from and other information. It's a book that makes you think. And after all, as Dan Fry once answered a person who asked him what was the purpose of this organization, and Dan briefly thought for a second,

he said, well, to make you think. If we'll only do our thinking, our answers will come to us. Perhaps not the first time, but it would be surprising how thinking for oneself, rather than pressure from outside pressure groups, helps one to attain more understanding about himself. This is a wonderful book. For newcomers especially, Flying Saucer Pilgrimage by Brian Helen Reeves is wonderful in that it brings you the various contactees in this field, from coast to coast. These people, they first heard about Adamski. They sponsored a lecture back there. They got together some friends and they brought together Adamski. They sent him the invitation to come east. And they were so impressed by the information that came forward, this was right at the beginning of this movement, that later they decided to take a tour throughout the United States and meet these people and get more insight as to what this movement was about. This is very valuable for your library.

There are other books out there that you should go through. I don't think there's one book out there that isn't valuable in interest to you and helpful to you in obtaining more understanding about this subject. I'm going to go through it from the phenomena side to the inner meaning and the spiritual side. Because if you don't get the spiritual significance of this whole movement it's about, you don't get anything whatsoever. And believe me, I didn't think that at first. I couldn't understand it. But through my mother-in-law who lives with us and who told me that, and through questioning answers, I finally realized, at least to me, it was true. I know from the bottom of my heart that it has helped me in my realization as to what this is all about. It's helping you to grow up to your stature as a human being in this earth and in the solar system. Now to our speaker of the evening. This gentleman is one of the first in this field.

It is his first time here. We're very pleased to have him this evening. He has a wealth of information. He is respected from coast to coast because of his contacts, his information, and his belief in this whole movement from the phenomena to the spiritual side. At this time it gives me great pleasure to introduce to you our speaker of the evening, Mr. Orchio Ancelucci, who will speak to us on flying saucers and their revelations. Mr. Ancelucci. Thank you very much, Lee. I mean, Lee Yates. As I stand here before you, I always shake a little bit before a lecture. I can't seem to get over that first three or four minutes of shaking. It comes from way back in my school days when I couldn't get up and recite when the teacher asked me. I would just begin to shake. And I never could speak to more than three or four people at a time. This was in my earlier days. And yet suddenly, one day I had funny experiences, experiences that, well,

you might call where fools rush in where angels fear to tread. That's funny. I found myself ready, willing, and able to speak before groups about a subject which most people would shy away from. So here I am. But I still get those two or three first minutes of nervousness, and I always approach any talk with that. Rather shaky feeling. But I do want to compliment Unit 15 of Inglewood, not because I'm here speaking to you, because it's known throughout as being one of the very strong and dynamic and sincere units. And I don't have to tell you, you have wonderful leadership, comparable to the best in the country. I keep that up. And I say that, and I always say, and I always admit truths. And I'm a little jealous of understanding. I don't mean any one unit, but understanding throughout. The whole unit. A little bit inside. Because a better man than I started something that I felt at one time that I should have started. In fact, a few years ago,

I wanted to start something like this. And I even had the name for it. And I had the, the name was School of Concord. Now you know, Concord is the finest word you can get. Look it up in the dictionary and see. I didn't, I said, I don't know what Concord is, but we can learn. The love of pure learning will teach us Concord. So I thought the school. But I never did go ahead with it, because I have a lot of dreams which I never put into action. But Dan Fry does put them into action. Dan Fry came along in this aspect. And I've always respected him. And inside of myself I said, there, thank God, whenever a position or a place has to be filled somewhere, you will find there's somebody to fill it. And you do what you have to do, what you know you can do. And don't worry about the other job. Someone will fill it. Now, as the subject of my talk is, flying saucers and their revelation. What we have just said here is part of revelation.

Some people say, well, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. Others say, when a critical time comes in human history, or in human activity, there's always a man to come there to fill the place. And that is true. So I don't think we have to worry about the future. Because those of us who have the inner faith, we don't have to have too much knowledge. But the inner faith, we can see the handwriting on the wall. And the handwriting on the wall tells us of things to come. Not the precise things. I don't believe anybody can put the precise thing. In fact, I'm going to go so far tonight as to say that not even creation, not even the Creator, knows exactly what is going to happen tomorrow on this earth. Now, I know that sounds like a rock, splashy, but we did come here to hear the lecture. And it is my opinion. And it is only an opinion. But I have reason to believe that. Because of my experiences. Now first, before I begin with my experiences,

I would like to just review a little bit of the flying saucer epic. Now we all believe in flying saucers here. What I mean by that is you all believe that there is something in the air, something in the skies, or at least that somebody believes it. So at least we are here to listen to this lecture. Now, why are we here? We are here to learn what is there in all this. Now, let's go back. We cannot go back to the flying saucer history because it goes too far back. You can go in the Bible and you'll see it. All through the Bible, all through the Scriptures, right to the New Testament. I don't have to tell you about the Old Testament. Ezekiel saw the wheels. One of the prophets, was it Elijah or Elias? Who was it that went up in the flying chariot? Elijah. Right. So you know. There are others filled with it. Let's go to the major religions of this world. The Hindu religion. The Bhagavad Gita is built from beginning to end on a visitation.

Isn't it? You read it. From beginning to end, the Bhagavad Gita, which is the Bible of the Hindu religion, is built on a visitation. There are a ship that sounds of that name. And he stayed with a man of this earth to direct him. To give him some kind of... He didn't interfere with him. He said, do as you will, but anything you decide is meant to be. We go on to Buddha and we find that it is all of another world. Trying to get from this world to the other. We go into Indian lore of this country. The big white bird, the great clouds. Through our own scriptures and the New Testament. The Star of Bethlehem. For those of us who are Christians and I am one of them. And all through the life of Jesus. Which is a very short one. When he could have saved himself by going with the sides that were ready to give him all that he wanted. Because he had the brains to help them as well as himself. He could have saved himself, but yet he says,

do you think I cannot summon, what was it, how many legions? I don't remember really, but if someone wants to mention it, it's in the New Testament. How many? Twelve legions of thousands of angels. You see? He also believed, what is unique about this Jesus is that he taught us everlasting life. The Father and I are one. And you too. When we see the Father, we understand how much consciousness we have of that awareness measures our awareness of that fact. These things were all alien to me before 1952. Believe me. I was a hard head materialist. I guess I made the same changes Saul did on the road to Damascus when he became Paul. And believe me, a man could be filled with sins for one part of his life. He could wash all those sins away. Did you know that? As long as he could turn and know that never again could he commit those sins. He must never be able again to commit those sins that he did before. From then on, you're born over again.

You're whitewashed, you're reborn in water. Pure water. That's what it's meant. You are forgiven. You forgive yourself. I believe I did that to a certain extent. But I'm still not the man you'd like to believe I am. No. I'm still filled with faults. Physical, spiritual, and mental. So therefore, I present myself as that. However, the one thing I do believe in, flying saucers are here to stay. I know that sometimes a year goes by, two years, and we wonder what's happened to the whole movement. It isn't a movement. It's a worldwide awakening. Let's go back and see if they were real. And here we come to the essence of the subject. Before we go into my story. Flying saucers and their revelations. Now, the flying saucers and their revelations were not meant for me. They were not meant for Mr. Dan Fry, nor for Lee, nor for Truman, and I mean Truman Bathroom, nor Adamski. They were meant for everybody. Some were contacted. Some were awakened in one way.

Others were given the signs in the sky. Let's prove that. Let's go back to 1944. The war was nearly coming to an end. We didn't know it. But these space visitors knew. Because all the things that they had known of this world. They knew what plans were in the high commands. In all the secret services. They knew what movements would take place. But they still did not know what was going to happen tomorrow. But they didn't know certain things. Now, what were these things? For the first, let's remember, they cannot interfere with our evolution. We belong to this solar system. These space visitors, although they may belong, some of them may belong to this solar system, they do not belong to this earth. Therefore, they cannot interfere with it. And yet, they can give us previews of what is coming. But they can only give those previews to people who already know it. That way they are not interfering. If they told any one of us one thing we didn't already know,

either through instinct, intuition, or dreamed about, that would mean they were interfering with your evolution. You were supposed to come upon that knowledge and finding yourself. Because there is a greater power than them that has willed it long ago. The Great Eternal Creator. He said, I want to see what this world will become. And no one shall interfere with it. On their own merits, they will even feel I am not present. But I put everything there before them and they must come up. And if they don't, that whole world will be destroyed. If one human being in the final analysis on that day of perfection fails to come into perfection and begins to degenerate the rest of humanity, that world will know destruction. In other words, it is nothing to the Creator. Because we must face the Creator one day. Every one of us. Now this, of course, is my opinion. But it is based on study, on finding, and science. Real science. Because science is truth.

In fact, if you look in the dictionary, the meaning of science. The study of nature. That's all it means. And no other word should be added to that. The study of nature. Wonderful. As long as you study nature, you're studying God's creation. If you really study nature, you can tell a man that I have an authority greater than the Bible. Even as Jesus said, the Son of Man has power even over the Sabbath. And you are the Son of Man. You see? The Son of Man has power over all the scriptures. Because He is the creation. We don't know who wrote the Bible. We don't know how it came about. But we know that all traces of it lead to a press, to paper, and man brought that about. And yet, man had to deal with findings of this earth. Now, you can say to any man, to any woman in this world, that you know the Bible that God really wrote. With His own hand, with His own voice, with His own eyes, and His own breath. And if He asks you, what?

What is this? He says, yes, just look around you, anywhere. The sun. The air. The purpose of everything. There is the Bible. Everything else is nothing compared to that. It's just a small part of that learning. Our whole Bible, which is the greatest piece of literature ever created, which is the most noble and the most divine, to me, is still nothing compared to that leaf on that fern. The leaf on a tree. None of us really understand that leaf. It is so complicated, you can write volumes about it. You can trace it back through all creation. So there is the Bible. That is why I believe. That is why you believe. And I believe in flying saucers. They cannot interfere with our awakening. And yet, they could shake our hands. 1944, World War II. I see some people here are too young to remember that. But some of us are not. 1944, we began, Foo Fighters appeared. Now, what were Foo Fighters? Dr. Menzel's books. Dr. Menzel, the great astronomer

of Harvard University, who wrote a book on flying saucers. And he silenced the presses. He said they were nothing but reflections on airplanes. Because the airplanes were growing old, the paint was wearing off, they were shining, so therefore we were getting reflections off the wings. And he showed pictures of such things in his book. The Air Force had hired Dr. Menzel to do this business. Since I guess he was about the most expendable, what I mean by that is, others were too busy in real work, so they figured Dr. Menzel wasn't doing too much, so they put him on flying saucers. And he went at it with a vengeance. He had nothing bigger to do. Understand that he's one of the top astronomers of Harvard, but he's not world famous. He's not a world famous astronomer by far. He's a gadgeteer. He says there were reflections, but he hadn't given so many theories, and the Air Force fired him. The Air Force says we know more than you've told us,

and we know a lot more than that. Our pilots are not seeing these things. We have pictures of these things, and if you want them here, use them in your book. And they gave them to him. He says there's the flying saucers, and there's the Foo Fighters. So what happened? 1945. 1944. Those Foo Fighters, hundreds of pilots were reporting them from both sides. What were they? Very few people were catching on. In fact, nobody. Not even the Vatican, my home church, who was supposed to know all things. Well, caught him with his pants down this time. It's a fact. He's got to live up. After all, he knows all things. He's got to account for them. Well, they were telling us we're in the space age. At the same time, that same year, Germany was sending up jet propelled airplanes. The first in the world. They were beginning to send V2 rockets over to England. The beginning of the space age. You see? Therefore, they were not interfering.

We were already in the space age, and many aviators came home. They said, our planes are obsolete. You should see what we saw from the Germans. And England can tell you that. In fact, fortunately, we took just about everything from them. They were already in the space age. So they were already in the space age. There you are. 1947 Kenneth Arnold reported them over Mount Rainier. Two or three days later, hundreds of reports came from all over the world. Hadn't even heard of Kenneth Arnold yet. Why were they beginning to be seen as disks? And that's why Kenneth Arnold named them. Well, they looked like saucers. They flipped around. They did this. They shone light. Wonderful. The other visitors at the time, or the other observers around the world, described them the same way. So they were called flying saucers. It's a good name. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's a good name. I'm with them. Now, do you see what I mean?

Always. Always precluding or predicting something. It wasn't that they were predicting. They knew. They said, don't you have eyes and see world? Oh, no. The world was too busy going to work. Some of us in factories. Some of us on farms. Anything that was going up there? Oh, no, no. We've been brought up this way. Millions. Almost the whole world. And the worst of all is our officials. Now, some people say, why is it our officials are not contacted? They're the dumbest ones of us all. Believe me, in these things, when I say these things, in the cosmic awakening, they're the dumbest of all. Because once you have a cosmic awareness, once you have a cosmic feeling, you can become anything in Washington. Believe me, except maybe a stenographer. Because then you're free to think as you will. You couldn't become the Secretary of State because the Secretary of State is supposed to do certain things and say certain things. The head of the Air Force

is told what to do and say. There's the book. Everybody by the book. So, what are our officials? Oh, no. And furthermore, even if they are the wisest, they are not that wise. Look in a child's face when he listens to you. He's wiser than any man on earth at that time. That's why a child shall lead us. Because they have that faith. They have that understanding. You can talk to a child for an hour. Talk to him at all, completely, and tell him what you want to tell him. At the end of that hour, he will tell every word that you said which was a lie and he will tell every word you said which was the truth. Isn't that true? He knows it. He senses it. You see, they are born with intuition. The childlike faith. Now, if we look back again on flying saucers with that faith, we find now, actually, my contact started even before 1947. Although, I don't call it officially because it isn't. Mine started in 1952, five years after Kenetono.

But in 1946, I was conducting tests with balloons in New Jersey. Sending moles up in the air to see what structural change would occur. At that time, it was nothing but science. What structural change would occur with bombardment of cosmic rays? Well, we never regained the balloons. We never found them. In spite of one radar station following them. Yet, I went home that night. And other mole cultures that I was developing. Now, a mole, we say fungi. A mole. Penicillin is a mole. Penicillium notatum. I never knew that what I was looking for was already done. And it was a secret in those days. Penicillin. I was looking for the properties of moles because every living thing has a mole. The mole leaches on living things. Therefore, they must tell us an answer to life. And I was looking for structural changes under cosmic ray bombardment. We never found the balloons. But as they rose up in the sky in New Jersey, I saw this

shiny object appear. And it was a newspaper reporter there who was getting the story and his photographer and other people. And I pointed out this object. I said, look at that plane. Now, to me, it was a plane. That's what I thought at the time. What else could it be? If anybody told me that people were coming from another world, I would have booed it. Believe me. I wouldn't have believed it. I felt, yes, the universe is inhabited. I always felt that. But they will never meet each other. There's too much space. Empty space. Too much. Too many dangers there. Cosmic ray bombardments. Radiations from the stars that we don't know of. They were protected because of the ionosphere around the earth. And the atmosphere. The atmosphere really doesn't do much protecting. It is the ionosphere. About 200 miles up there. 150 to 200 miles and so forth. Now that I forgot all about that. I did happen to wonder at it because this object

seemed to go up over the balloon and come down the other side and watch this basket. The basket which held the mole cultures. I thought, what wonderful planes we got. They can hover. They can go up straight. They can come down. No noise. Not a sound at all. They can keep staying still and go up with the balloons. I said, boy, it won't be long. A week or two and we'll be hearing of these new planes that the United States has. Five years from now we never heard about them. And we still haven't heard about them. That was magnetic propulsion. Quiet. Very quiet. Just like the earth goes around the sun. Once you tap into that, believe me, you never have to worry about a flat tire. You never have to worry about running out of gas or the generator going bad. Or the battery giving up. Never. It's all around us. Free energy. Universal. Coming from all over. Wonderful. I went on. I went home. Found the answer I wanted. Went to the laboratory near Princeton.

And I thought, that's all. I found all I want to know. Furthermore, I see now there's penicillin is out. Well, that's it. They're finding out stories. I brought my finding to the Hayden Chemical Company in Princeton. They liked the idea. I said, I think it's a discharge of electrostatic electric condition in the air. Maybe with lightning. Maybe with water. But anyhow, moles will grow under certain conditions at a terrific rate. No growing at all. Not only that, they must be in darkness. Because there's something there that has to do with life. Something the mold is tapping into. That energy is all over. Well, they went on that basis. And it actually speeded up the production of penicillin three times. And from that three times, went on to thousands of times. And I was growing penicillin and I didn't even know it was penicillin. I had all this Aspergillus clevatis. It was a mold growing from oranges and lemons under certain conditions.

I had syringes and needles there with certain nutrients putting them in. Well, anyhow, I said you can grow this under certain conditions without ever replacing the bed. Providing you keep it sterilized. That no other bacterium comes in. And even if it does, you throw in certain little chemicals that kills that and you have a never-ending mold bed. You can grow penicillin without ever changing the tanks again. You just keep feeding it the broth. Well, they were already on that knowledge. But here I was keeping pace with them as an amateur. Understand I'm not a scientist. Now I still wanted to know. Actually my own troubles, the nerves. The cell of the nerve. Now I wanted to know the atom. And I went into it. I wasn't satisfied with the present concept. Meantime, things had happened. We had come to California. That is my family and I. And after five or six months we decided we really didn't like it. My father and mother were here.

They owned a home here and all. No, it wasn't for us. We went back to New Jersey. Two years later, of course, California has a way of calling you back. You know, they say once you get that sand in your shoes or those oranges in your nostrils or something, I don't know, the mountains. It's the crackpots. And I say that with respect, believe me. I wonder if it's where everything in the New World is created. Like Capernaum was in the days 2,000 years ago. Like Rome once was. Like Greece and Athens. I wonder if Southern California isn't that all over again. It is. All schools of thought, everything. Start anything you want and you'll have followers. You start it on Friday and by Saturday you'll have a bunch of followers. But at least they follow. At least they listen. You see what I mean? And from that, just like the penicillin, you put in just few little viruses of penicillin in a big tank and it grows and grows and grows.

But during the growing, there's a lot of turmoil in there. One bacterium kills the other. There's an exchange. There's a beautiful equilibrium at rest. And at the very bottom is a small amount of penicillin. It's just like grapes. You mash them and you don't know what you have. Put them in a jar under a certain temperature and you go over and listen and you hear a lot of seething, bubbles. And what happens? Out of that comes wine. It still is not at rest. The bacteria still fights. They change again. It's at rest. There's a scum on the top that you go on the bottom and you smell something pungent and it's vinegar. The wine turns into vinegar. Providing we didn't put formaldehyde in it. So I rest it. You can buy a bottle of wine in a liquor store today it's got formaldehyde in it so it won't go into vinegar. And I wonder if it wouldn't be better if it did go into vinegar. But that's the truth. We can arrest that with a little formaldehyde

or chlorine. Why is that germinating? Why is it when it reaches vinegar it comes absolute rest? And vinegar is the healthiest thing we can have for our lives. If you're breathing any fermentation or vinegar did you know you never have lung trouble? Look at people who work in fermentation plants. That's one thing they found out. They never have any lung trouble. And get very few colds. That's a fact. We won't go into that. But you see how nature always makes a turbulence an equilibrium, a perfection. This world is going through that. Don't you see? We human beings are that bacteria going every which way. We say well this is the right way of life. Well that's what I think. And that's what you think. The other one thinks the other way. And sooner or later we fight about it. We even spill blood. And that wasn't enough. Now we have to make atom bombs. You see? All this was coming. Don't you think these visitors who were looking, observing this earth

they didn't know what was going to happen. Who was going to do what? What change was going to occur in a person's mind unless they want to investigate it? No. But they knew what was going to come because they went through that hundreds and thousands of years ago. Their world went through that. So therefore they can only observe. But as they see this great big awakening electric lights, atomic fission, space, we're sprouting wings for space and all this. Well, this is a new age. This is the dawn of a new age. Now let's reveal ourselves. Alright, tonight let's send out a light flashing through the skies. Okay, thousands of people report a light. So it's in the newspapers. And everybody has different opinions. Now let's reveal ourselves this way. And they do. Always, every time they reveal themselves it was according to something happening in our laboratories. That is why science today is investigating flying saucers because they say there's a pattern in them.

They seem to be they don't know what we're doing. All the time. And they do it just about two months before we announce it. So, you see, scientists do believe in them. Not Dr. Menzo. I don't know. But I wonder if he's a scientist. You know, almost anybody that gets a degree and says, well, I got this and that and I study this, he's a scientist. There's no more scientists today in this world than there were 2000 years ago. A scientist is born. But, take Dr. Fred Hoyle. Now there's a scientist. The modern astronomy today is based on him. The expanding universe. Him and Jeans and Eddington. Read his little book, The Nature of the Universe. 50 cents on any newsstand. It's a mentor book, I think. Either a mentor book or a golden book. I think it's a mentor. I have one at home. I don't even remember what it is. Wonderful. His last chapter is dedicated to science and intelligence. And maybe there's God. Imagine he said maybe. But at least they're beginning

to wet their feet, you see. Why all these revelations in our day? It's the greatest age of all time. Greatest age. Golly, we went from the horse and buggy days over into the automobile. When the electric light was invented, the people said, well, the troubles of the world is over. Just imagine that. No more oil, no less than that needed. Ten years later, the troubles of the world were not over, and the electric light helped us to give us a little more. Now, the automobile, the airplane, everything came along. Why, any man 300 years ago saw an airplane and said, if we could have that in the world, the troubles of the world would be over. It would be heaven. Imagine, we could fly, we could do this. But was it? Or no? The trouble is man. Never satisfied. All the automobiles that we have, we're not satisfied. We only like it the first day we get it, and we polish it, and we clean it, but we don't really appreciate it. Now, where does that bring us again into the picture?

If you take all these things and see that they're nothing but stepping stones to perfection, you will have revelations. You know all things if you just put them in an order of a cosmic swoop. Don't take little things that are happening in Inglewood, or in Los Angeles, or even the United States, but all over the world, in the atmosphere, over in the solar system. Notice the order it is, and you'll see that everything is designed going a certain way. The only thing that holds us back is our own little ignorance. Because we were made conceived perfect, that is to become perfect, but starting with a grain of dust. And that's all we are. A few chemicals and minerals put together, and that's it. And we don't even know how they're put together. We don't even know what happens. And there's consciousness, and there's spirit, and there's life. And from that must come perfection. Everything that is in this world must be perfected in an order

that the Creator can say, now this is what I call perfection, and therefore now I shall visit it. And he visits it, and you'll see the God. You'll actually come face to face with the Creator on that perfect day. But if there's one, if there's twenty billion of us in this world, and there will be, and there's one that is imperfect, as long as he exists, or as long as he marries someone and begins to drag down his civilization again, we will not see that Creator. We will only sense him a lot better than we do today, but not see him. You see? That is perfection. And we're destined for that. So if the whole world were destroyed on that day, is that destruction in the end? No. There's no oblivion. It doesn't exist. It begins all over again. We begin all over again. Until perfection. We can't fail. It just means holding... It sounds like billions of years to us, but in eternity, billions of years is like the flick of an eye.

Actually, the wink of an eye. Now, I was not like this. I think you understand now the pattern of flying saucers. Later on in the 50s, in the 52, and 53, and 54, we began to hear the papers were filled with them. Headlines all through the newspapers. For five or six years. Until one day, there came a total and sudden silence. Each time that they made a new maneuver, they showed changing of color. We were throwing rockets in the air at White Sands. Russia was doing it. Russia was coming out with things. They were revealing to us only things that we already had. We sent up rockets at White Sands, New Mexico, and what did they see following these rockets? Flying saucers. They admitted it. They went on record. But, they said, let's keep quiet about it. We have no proof of it. We didn't catch one by the tail. So, let's keep quiet about it. Since we can't explain to the public what it is, rather than appear dumb, let's make the others appear dumb.

And it is true. The government pursued a very good path. In 1953 came the silence completely. And yet it wasn't total silence because the biggest observations came in 1953 and 54. Remember? How many of you remember that one in Rome, Italy? That even Clair Booth Luce saw? May I see your hands here, those of you who remember it? Headlines all over the world. I still have them home. In fact, I printed them in here. In the concrete evidence. Thousands of people watching this sighting. September 19, or October. It was September or October 1954. That was the last mass sighting ever seen. They had it in Dallas, Texas. Baltimore, Washington. Detroit, Michigan. Everywhere. The same thing. Thousands of people watching something for 36 minutes or 39 minutes, but no pictures. And I was wondering, now they're telling something, but what is it? There's a pattern there somewhere. Only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. So when the Rome sighting came out,

when Clair Booth Luce, the reporter said, I saw this too. Now Rome is filled with reporters. Hundreds of them from all over the world. Cameras dangling at their sides. Ready to snap a picture of anything. And this was beginning to come to me. I said, wait a minute. How come we don't see a picture? Wonderful descriptions. The Italian Air Force chasing the thing. The American Air Force. Radar towers all over having it. Locking in on it. They were spellbinding people. Thousands of people. But where is the answer? Then I thought, why can't I see a picture? And then I recalled all those others. Texas, Dallas, Tacoma, Detroit, and other cities. Now Rome. There is the answer. They can spellbind whole crowds. Hundreds and thousands of tourists in Rome with cameras at their sides. Ready to give one of their fingers for a snapshot of a flying saucer. And yet no picture. And yet all admitting they saw it. All of them. In every one of these cities spellbound.

So that none of them even thinks of snapping the picture. And there was the message. Not only did they spellbind Dr. Menzel when he was writing his book. Because there is the greatest sighting of all time. His own. See the revelations as you look back. Not only did they tell us that we were going to get certain speeds. But they could spellbind us all. So when you hear people, say that space visitors probably wouldn't land here because they are afraid we are going to shoot at them. Oh yes, they are shaking in their boots. You can depend on that. They could spellbind us so much. All over the world. Just one of their ships spellbind every one of us. So we won't even know enough to shoot a gun. We will be held there in seventh heaven. Looking at it. Believe me. And in fact, before any contact. Before a contact. In my experiences, I always had a feeling something was about to happen. And it was beautiful. It was out of this world.

I could hear music almost. When I was 1952, I was working at Lockheed, New Jersey, and all my experiences were often forgotten. I had written a pamphlet called The Nature of Infinite Entities. A totally new concept on the structure of the matter. The universe. Everything. And it satisfied me so much that after I wrote it, I sent 500 copies out. To all the universities. To different physicists. Astronomers. And then I thought I had done my bit. So I was satisfied. Came to California. Went in the business. Eventually formed a partnership with three men. We had 20 men going in the flooring covering business. And also on these composition flooring. And many of you see these steps on apartment houses. They look like white marble. With nice rounded noses. This magnecyte composition. That's what we were doing. In 1951 I decided to close out. It was just too heavy. Too much competition at the time. And I got out. But those who stayed in got rich.

Now why did I get out? There again. Every time that I was about to make money in my life I always got out. I don't regret it. Because more beautiful things happen. But boy it keeps you poor. Believe me. It does. And I don't advise it to anyone who doesn't know how to stay afloat. Because at times I get desperate. I wonder why all this. And yet the next day when everything looks blackest the next day there's a dawn of some kind. And I'm not even going to tell you these things because many of you have had experiences like that in your life. And to those who don't want them please believe me. Don't go into them. You're either cut out to go into them where you're directed and helped or not. I think I've been helped in situations which without their help believe me. When things looked absolutely dark this is the end. Even my health. At times I thought I couldn't live another day. My heart was acting up too much. Nervous heart is all it is.

But it couldn't go on. Even in 1954. 55 rather. Down again to 103 pounds. And there I was and the worst symptoms I ever had. But yet with a new kind of courage. This is all after my experiences. Why didn't they help me? Why didn't they make me better? They did in a way. They alleviated my symptoms but not make me any better. That would be interfering. In 1952 I decided to go with Lockheed in the plastics department. And we were making these radomes which are right on the nose of any airplane you see something different that looks different from the body. Either a different color it comes with a sharp nose. It cannot be metal and there must not be any metal in it, whatever. When I went to work in that I felt at home. But yet had anyone mentioned to me that there were such things as flying saucers even my family when they mentioned it to me I would say it's something silly. It's a call it well America every once in a while wants a fad

and that's a fad so I'll forget about it. I don't even want to hear about it. But I forgot one thing. I didn't notice that that fad was already five years old. And a fad like that doesn't last five years. Hoaxes don't last five years. Furthermore well of course I didn't know anything about flying saucers then except what I read in the papers and I didn't even save the papers until April 23, 1952. After that I mean May 23, 1952 I'm sorry because I went to work at Lockheed in May May the 2nd I actually was scheduled May 1st and they said well do you want to start May 1st? Yes. That's April Fool's Day. I'm sorry April 1st. That's April Fool's Day. Oh no. I said either me or Lockheed is going to get fooled so I better not. So I said could you make it April 2nd? Okay April 2nd. Just for that. I was never superstitious but that one day I was. I said so many things happened in my life but I don't want to I don't want to join on April Fool's Day

a new job which is going to last all my life. Well a month later on May 23 almost a little over a month later 1952 I was working at these radomes and I felt peculiar. All my nervous symptoms were coming back and I wanted a drink of water. I was going to go to the fountain but even the thought of water kind of gagged me. Oh no I didn't want water. Are these nerves coming back? It's very heavy symptoms and yet it seems to come from outside. Like they came they will go. But why am I thirsty? All right. At 11 o'clock at night I was working on the swing shift which was from 4 o'clock till 12.30. 12.30 we went out and I still had these symptoms. On the way from leaving Lockheed going toward Glendale going south on Riverside Drive and Victory Boulevard Well here we were on Victory Boulevard driving and I felt these symptoms coming back and the thirst tremendous. So I thought I'll stop somewhere and drink something anything. But then the thirst seemed to go away

and I got scared. I thought oh no I think I'm going to die. This time is really the this is no fool. I'm not going to tell anybody because I said it too many times. I'm going home and die not here on the street. So I wanted to hurry home. Then the symptoms relaxed. I was wondering now what is this? I don't like to think metaphysical or mystery things. After all it's not my way of thinking. I have to see things. It's not my scale. We stopped in Alameda where Alameda crosses Victory Boulevard and there was a red light. I was right in the middle row in the middle lane and suddenly the night became a little brighter just a little brighter and then I saw a third light right in the middle of the intersection right in front of the car it was a huge thing two and a half feet in diameter but it was very faint. I thought let me prove it I looked from side to side this red thing was only in the front so it couldn't be my eyes. Oh well, forget about it.

The light turned green we all went on this object went right ahead as though it was connected to my car somehow by an invisible pole. I want you to understand this that's how good control they have of their objects. That's how well they knew what I was thinking when I was going to move, when I was going to shift gear whenever I made the slightest turn the object seemed to go with the car as though it was a reflection on the car. So you see what kind of control they have how they know every split second and still they don't know what's going to happen tomorrow that is what you're going to do. Now that sounds like speaking double but it isn't. They have such good control their science is that far ahead and I'm speaking here of people who are human beings like ourselves way ahead of ours and that differs from worlds who are still way behind us some still forming in the primitive stage I have to go through everything we went through

and see what way they will evolve that's the kind of people I'm talking about I went on I know this sounds fantastic to those of you who haven't heard it but it's my story and the way things have been going since then incidentally seemed to uphold it rather than undermine it a little farther on

[55:38] Development of the main themes

this object seemed to come closer to the car and I seemed to get weighty on one side my right arm seemed to get hot and heavy I thought paralysis was setting in it felt that way but the whole car was going that way I didn't think the car knew anything about paralysis it seemed to kind of go on the right side okay the thing came closer and suddenly I was not of this world anymore I felt I loved this thing it loved me I'm going to do everything at once that came on suddenly now from here on in I was not myself they took effect in other words let's say from remote control from a distance they affected my thinking and they took out of me those little things from my subconscious my understanding that would understand now they picked on me because for certain reasons they were going to show me things that I could very easily understand well a little farther on I knew I was to turn to the right I was getting closer and closer to the car

and it seemed to be almost alive it still was nothing but a red object and I turned to the right and the thing turned with me as though it was stuck to the car a little farther on about a mile down Forest Long Drive it coaxed me to pull to the right where the road was a little wider than usual and I stopped then this thing went I stopped the car completely turned the key off and it went off to the right and asked me to step out it was a beautiful voice so I did and I wasn't afraid at all I was no longer aware that I was on Forest Long Drive that there were cliffs on one side and a meadow that went down 30 feet below the street level off into the Burbank Hills the Warner Brothers studio there and the Los Angeles River I was hardly aware of it and yet I knew where I was I was more aware of being in another world that's where I was now they did that from a distance they can do it any different way a dozen different ways

believe me I would not tell you these things if I didn't believe them myself I've told them to my sons and you can imagine of course what I heard from them in fact the younger one who kicked the most three and a half, four years almost he's been gone from home in the service married in France he's coming back with a child looks just like he did as a youth and tonight I had to pick him up at the bus station so it's a little more than just another night for me I don't think he's mad at me anymore I watched and this thing says to step out and as I did I closed the door and then a beautiful English the same voice in beautiful English words says greetings Orfeo beloved friend now they would say this to anybody beloved friend regardless no matter how sinful I may have been in the past as far as they were concerned I was as good as any man on earth and any man on earth was as good as me they see us in a different light it says

you're a bit perplexed and even though I was in their world even though they had helped me through the subconscious somehow I said a little bit perplexed is putting it mildly I thought what is all this everything looks different to me and he said well he said you're thirsty also buy a bottle of drink for you and I intuitively I felt even though I was leaning on my car I knew that this bottle would be on the fender of the car a little bottle about that big with a large mouth like a little milk bottle and I drank of it in the first swallow absolutely I was different I just felt wonderful I was not only in their world but I was almost one of them I felt I had no weight, no body I was formless thought and knew all things and I felt I was in their world I drank it all and dropped it and I never heard it hit the ground there was gravel on my feet but I never heard a thing so intuitively I wouldn't they were going to show me things

I didn't know whether this bottle was real and they had put it there by magnetic repulsion letting me know intuitively that it was there for me they were not kidding me I don't know whether it ever hit the ground and I didn't hear it I don't know whether they disintegrated it before it ever hit the ground I don't know what happened but any of those things they could have done so why ask questions how did it happen it was any of them no problem whatever after all look what we are doing with our satellites thousands of miles away by remote control just look at that imagine these are way ahead of us you see the world that we are in the world that we were coming in we didn't know it in 1952 oh no but I had written the nature of infinite entities which could explain all these things away to me just like that so it's a scientific thing it's deep and I wouldn't advise women who just like to read sensation it's more for physicists

men who are interested in science it presents a very new concept of the atom and the universe it explains everything everything away which is unexplained now in the modern theory alright so that's why the reason of the contact they knew when I had written that they knew the night that I had conceived that so this voice again told me you are still perplexed you are very perplexed but the author of the nature of infinite entities should not be I see I'm supposed to see these things and then explain them through my understanding through that key wonderful I can understand why the bottle didn't hit the ground sure I can understand why this object I saw it and no one else could see it they sensitized my eyes you see I saw a little brighter at night when the others didn't they kept that object just below the point of vision subdued to the normal eye so that night there were only two that could see it on this earth same thing

the same principle the cat's eyes are a little more sensitized our eyes adjust themselves you see you go out of a lighted room into a dark area and it looks absolutely dark but in a minute or two your eyes get acclimated to the darkness the retina kind of the iris or the pupil expands a little the retina becomes more sensitized and you see wonderful but if someone else makes you a little more sensitive expands the pupil a little more and more sensitive you see a little more yet beyond that which you would have seen if someone subdues the conscious mind and stirs up the subconscious we are then as intelligent as we will ever be therefore they can talk on your ground you see you didn't need the nectar that nectar was just given to me to make me think that I drank it I still don't think I drank a nectar but I did go through the motions and I swallowed it and I felt it I've never tasted anything like it nor the influence of it either

it's nothing but something that we will have one day on this earth take one swallow of it and believe me you feel wonderful but that's only temporary there are things that you can swallow that actually readjusts all the nerve cells all the cells of the body and puts them in the proper functioning motion will have health we are to do that here and we will we are accomplishing those things everybody is busy at something doing something and we must accept all those things the love of learning because it's all here on this earth the potential is here minerals are here the sand, the silicon is here in fact that will be all our substance one day all our ships will come from sand, silicon flying discs well anyhow he told me that I was perplexed and uh I would hear and see more of them and all that but after that experience I wouldn't be too perturbed about flying saucers and he asked me if I wanted to see Orion and Lyra now Orion and Lyra meant something to me

Orion of course is a constellation in our skies Lyra is another constellation and the funny thing is Lyra I never knew this before where Lyra was I never even knew where she was I didn't even know where Orion was I knew Orion was in the sky and yet Lyra happens to be near the shoulder of Orion or somewhere in that place and when I said yes and when this flying red disc had gone away faded out and gone away I looked in the skies intuitively there was a bright red object changing color throwing out a little flame like a fireworks disc and going off at a terrific speed and there was my first flying saucer then as I looked back at the spot where it had been now there were two green ones side to side like a pair of eyeglasses but nothing in between them and when I said to this man he told me to call him only Neptune that was not his real name it's just because maybe I love the sea in fact I was conceived that sea I was named that sea

I don't know why I was named Orfeo after the Greek god Orpheus my father who was illiterate he had heard the story on his way to America and he said if I ever have a son he'll be named Orfeo and if I ever have a daughter she'll be named Eurydice and he named both of us just that and we were stuck with those names so my sister changed it to Irene to be a little more easily understood but you know when we were kids we used to go out and look at the stars and she always said it's wonderful how you always like to look at the stars with you but only with you so you know there's a lot as we look back at things that happen and as I look back Orpheus was the Greek god in the later years of the Greek history that brought in the concept of everlasting life and the Orphics and the Aleutian gardens and what not the first concept of everlasting life so that when Christ, Christianity began to come to Europe years and years later they were already ready for it

you see anyhow I have incidentally written a pamphlet on again we exist which is on a form of reincarnation that we live again and again for eternity we couldn't get out of it if we wanted to and it's scientifically based and sound different from any concept yet a small pamphlet shows that there's no such thing as oblivion that we exist now there's no oblivion so therefore every time there's life we feel it if there was only one in this whole world you would be the one to feel it and if all life disappeared from all the universe we would still live because it would all then sublimate into creation creator you see so therefore there's no death now I feel that that maybe is the reason I was named all these revelations as we look back have a reason Neptune told me and after I'd seen Orion and Lyra in the space between these two green disks a wonderful handsome man appeared just the face up from here up and a woman right over his shoulder

and as I looked into their eyes I could see perfect humanity perfect understanding I was not really in their world they didn't utter a word in one minute I get the biggest message in my life what kind of civilization is this they could look as healthy as they do as beautiful to me and as understanding as they are yet when I looked at them they seemed to be almost a picture and yet their eyes were looking at different parts of me at different times so therefore they were being televised from the mothership into this here now this space between these two green disks actually these two green disks were connected with a plastic crystal and they turned that part in between them into a television and that's all there was to it and I had seen it so Neptune said well you've had enough tonight and we'll see you again and keep going but why are you so inactive well I didn't know what he meant at the time inactive here I got a job at Lockheed

that's not inactive that's hard work really it was hard work to me I went home that night and I was about an hour late a little over an hour when I went home and Mabel was already sleeping over there or dozing about 1.15 or something I was a little late she said did you stop somewhere I said yeah now mind you when Neptune said goodnight to me whatever influence they had on me was dropped I was myself again and here I found myself in this lonely spot a little bit of traffic going by now and then and here I was like a dope standing in the car so I got in shot in the car made a u-turn and hightailed it home so what am I doing there nobody let go of that influence on me I had very little memory of what happened it was like a dream now we all go through that a dream we hardly remember it goes into the subconscious they were putting that in my subconscious you see when I went home I was beginning to tell Mabel I said well I had to tell her something now

I don't know where I was I was not with Carl Haynes I was not with Butterfield where was I so I told her I said I'll tell you what I said when I went this light went with me and so she kept quiet yes she said she thought maybe I hit somebody and carried the tail light with me so I told her then off to the side of the road I was trying to recollect now what happened I saw two green discs I said wait a minute maybe there's something in the flying saucers and then I said a voice called me and I saw two people in this and this and that so she asked me to put the light on brighter I had the reading light on and I wasn't undressed put the big light on she said I did and she just looked up at me to see what other symptoms she could see on my face she didn't utter a word she just kept quiet and went down to bed she said shut up I want to sleep tonight after a while I always read at night I was reading there she turned around again

she said are you ready to tell me where you were? so she wanted to hear the next day not tonight the next day I forgot more so I didn't know what to tell her meantime she was telling the neighbors so three or four days later the neighbors knew more than I did about my experience especially a little boy named Ricky Clark four and a half years old he came over and he says he called me horrible he says will you tell me some more about flying saucers I said why I never told you anything Ricky he said well I heard you talked to them I said oh yeah I said well wait a minute I said do you believe in those things funny now I was interested in flying saucers I was reading newspapers you see I was saving them I was cutting out everything not only that I was saving the whole paper putting red lines around anything that had to do with flying saucers oh I wanted all the information I could but the information I was looking for was not coming

was not coming so anyhow sixty days later I was convinced there were no such things the papers were filled with them but it wasn't what I wanted oh I believed these things I had seen them people were describing seeing wheels within wheels throbbing red lights throbbing green lights changing colors wonderful that's right I said I believe in those things now in fact I think I saw them no wait a minute better than that I can explain them magnetic propulsion crystal and I went into that and I began to analyze it and a term of free energy came out then and I was beginning to write things down and I had to I said I'm not interested whether we have space visitors or not but we can have flying saucers sixty days later I didn't believe in them I was lampooning them and one night I didn't go to work at 9.15 my wife was working in the drive-in theater in fact it was my uncle's and of course he had enough children of his own it was my father's cousin

not my first so I didn't inherit any of his money although we were to become partners in the theater that night I didn't go to work I was going home I thought that's wonderful that's funny I didn't go to work because I didn't feel well now I feel wonderful well a lot of people do when the time for work is too late why then they feel wonderful so I attribute it to that so I was walking home but I was lampooning the flying saucers to these girls in the drive-in theater in the snack bar where I just had two cups of coffee I said I'm going to bed early tonight and the girls thought golly my husband would give one of the girls said my husband would give his left arm to just see one I said well do you really believe in these things well the time had come 9.15 I was going to go home and get an early sleep so the next day I would feel good enough to go to work on the halfway across that dark field with all these speakers only part of the field was lighted then

I heard my own I felt my own throat just relax it was a beautiful feeling coming again like I'd felt 60 days before two months before and right at the same time well not the same time of night but on that same day July 23rd now from May 23rd I heard my own name called out from my own voice and my mouth was closed and then a wonderful feeling came over me I began to think of flying saucers again gradually now they were bringing me back into their world from a distance they hadn't put anything in that coffee that's why I never believed that I had drank a nectar it was all an impression they gave me I heard my own name called out Orfeo just like a mother would say Johnny I saw you when he's up to something and I knew I said well that just sounds as though there's somebody scolding me for just lampooning flying saucers oh there goes flying saucers again do I believe in them? no I don't but what's this heavenly feeling I have

I said I like somebody that I don't see I just love them I can't help them they're so close to me I opened the field opened the gate the metal fence closed it and then came that final feeling just as though I had drunk the nectar I was no longer in this world and I saw ahead of me now right ahead was the Hyperion Avenue Bridge many of you know where the Hyperion Avenue Bridge is it crosses Riverside and it crosses Glendale Boulevard there it becomes Fountain Avenue in Los Angeles there's lights on top of the bridge they shine down in this yard but not under the arches and as I was approaching this arch I noticed a hazy object just before approaching the arch and here was this I thought what is it it's so hazy that it appeared to be nothing ordinarily I would think it was nothing it was just round like this beautifully perfectly round like an igloo but it was flat on the bottom half of a bubble that it was my ship I felt it

I sensed it I said it's funny it's just like I left my car parking there and then I saw part of it opening like a door and now I couldn't even see through one of its walls here you can see through the whole thing as though it didn't exist when they opened the door now you can see through the wall behind it on the other side of the ship you see what they can do they can make their ships absolutely transparent as soon as they open the door they can make the wall behind that absolutely opaque so that you know that it's a door and you're walking in and I walked right into it and it was no higher than 3 inches off the ground that was the thickness of its floor the ship itself had no instruments I got in walked in knowing that it was me now that's all I can tell you I saw nothing but a comfort chair for me to sit down and a coin on the floor I sat down the door closed I just happened to get a glimpse of the outside but it didn't matter to me

the world didn't exist anymore and the inside was just lighted up from its own light nothing that lights outside it was like diamonds scintillating active like a mother pearl all different colors intuitively I knew magnetic propulsion the light comes from the entire ship that whole ship could be a television piece it could be a radio it could be a telephone it could be anything it functions it's almost alive ion exchangers wonderful products tougher than any steel we have more flexible than anything we know now that we can do with sand and we are beginning to do it here in our glass laboratories study up late findings of glass and see what we're beginning to do they weren't interfering with our evolution I already knew these things our laboratories are already doing these things they're going to make our walls so we don't have to have wires or nothing in them did you know that? they're doing them now for houses walls that emit their own light

they have just ion exchanges in it or a little bit of a film conducting electric and then resistance any color light you want now they have it as the sun goes across the skies they have the house that will light up accordingly and darken as the sun is overhead and then light up again as it goes down this is in our own laboratories now we're talking here of science way ahead of us they're tapping in energy from in this universe the ether prevails all the universe it is always in motion in waves there is our magnetic propulsion all we have to know is the wavelength the oscillation time in fact Dan Fry is very close to knowing that he comes so close he said that if we can oscillate in a magnetic field around fast enough he said we would go but at the same time he said we would dissolve the material that we have that's true the materials we have he said this is Dan Fry not the materials we're going to make which can oscillate these waves

at different intervals and the materials wouldn't heat at all and yet they can change color they can absorb energy and when they get too much energy it just discharges static electric no wonder we've seen the revelations in the sky they say they seem to shoot out flames from all directions in all colors that's true very easy they seem to change color and they seem to disappear right before our eyes so many people say they dematerialize they don't have to dematerialize they become absolutely transparent there could be one in this room and you wouldn't see it I saw Neptune eventually I took this ride a thousand miles above Los Angeles and in that I had my rebirth when I was shown the wonders and the world and their mothership and the music of the spheres and more knowledge and I wondered why cosmic rays weren't affecting me and these meteorites then I was putting all two and two together but this doesn't mean anything isn't there a God

beyond this these visitors don't seem to want to talk to me they seem to want something of me they want me to become God aware when I was thinking that God really exists in this whole universe is really his whole function he knows everything he records everything in the universe hierarchies under him record certain galaxies hierarchies under them record certain things hierarchies under them record the earth we're being recorded by these space visitors every day when we don't see flying saucers they're the most active they're getting our pulsations pictures your whole life is recorded from the day you're born to the day you die not only by them but those who record them and us and those who record them and us in my father's house so many mansions which you know not of remember this is the truth and it's physically and scientifically true these things are more important than the science behind them because only by really opening up

to that awareness can we get the science that is why in my first book the secret of the saucers those of you who read it noticed that I was made to believe the thing that I was on the planet Lucifer because the planet Lucifer did exist and it's named Lucifer only because we give Lucifer the name of evil or Satan actually Lucifer was once over gate over Michael he was the archangel but he thought he was everything and he wanted power and rebellion so he fell and what not and he had throughout the universe different galaxies God the creator says here I shall make you gardens and I shall make those gardens also mine and if these gardens these people will come to me I claim them you claim them but if they come to you your claim is only temporary because evil is only temporary remember good is eternal right but he said if you want to play around like that and those who will go with you let them go so therefore we have the symbol of Lucifer

we have planet toys out there to prove that a planet was destroyed we don't have to remember it the symbology is enough we are at the same crossroads today as Lucifer was years ago when people like myself who were only materially minded wanted to know only scientific things were in such number that they ruled the world and the others were just snowed under so therefore they decided to go material wise and what happens they met intergalactial war planetary war and they were destroyed not destroyed forever we are probably them again beginning over again you see there is no destruction there is no oblivion therefore now we are on the same path today in my first experience Neptune Lyra and Orion let me think according to the what I thought it was because I saw lightning and thunder because I saw clouds going by I thought maybe I was in a planet that destroyed itself couldn't have been different actually it wasn't now after my

experiences when I began to believe in flying saucers 30 days after my second experience of this flight I met Neptune himself under this bridge I heard him walk grieved me again in the same voice it sounded no different than it did through the instruments and I felt him as I turned around and walked with him went down to the river and I wanted to shake hands with him but he wouldn't it wasn't permitted later when I was transformed and speaking like him he put his hand out to shake mine but I said I don't know you see I began to understand now the cosmic order we must not agree on anything I am just being told things that are coming things that I already knew why why there's people that knew more than me he says yes he says beloved friend this is the last time I contact you personally but actually it wasn't so eventually it came about he says to return but not to you now mind what he said about that because almost a year later

he did return and to me but it was not me by that time I believed in flying saucers I was transformed I found myself I had given a convention at the Hollywood Hotel on flying saucers today we have conventions I wanted the whole world to become awake to a new awakening because I thought then they would land every day I waited I said watch them land one of these days they are going to fill our skies and won't that be a beautiful day and they will but I thought it was going to come sooner oh no that would be interference you see they cannot interfere with us in New Jersey I met him when I went on a lecture tour and there again I had one of my worst experiences as far as being broke and everything else but never lost faith he returned to New Jersey and I saw him again and I saw him disappear before my very eyes but he had a pseudo that can easily be done all they have to do is absorb the rays which are coming to them from any light whatever

and transform those rays into different wavelengths ion exchanging suit controlled by the mother suit and when they reach you from a distance you don't see them they have disappeared gradually just like waves and yet I heard him walk away he was really there now then years went by lectures and of course I became convinced there were such things talks and I thought there was no more for me to say others had come up because he had said the last time I had met him at the Los Angeles River the road will open walk it as you will in other words they could not interfere with me I can do with this mission now whatever I wanted I found out that my hands were tied any time that I wanted to put in my own interjections my hands were tied I couldn't seem to know what to say go according to what my intuition said according to my memory as it would come back to me through my subconscious and then it would be alright in the skies every day they were behaving

and I saw them with witnesses and I knew that my experiences were real so that's neither here nor there today there here now why are they silent today why were they silenced in 1953 because up until then flying saucers were just something seen by aviators and people and making up all kinds of hoaxes and making up all kinds of gadgets and saying here's a piece that dropped all this and that alright then came the real thing contactees people's minds were beginning to look into almost theological avenues you see you know what I mean people were waking up to a real thing everything seemed to become almost like a new religion and so what happened it was silenced it wasn't Dr. Menzel he had one of the best sightings himself it was silenced no one knows who silenced it actually some people believe the church has silenced it that is the closest answer we have it is it's not the government it's not the presses it was religion in general all over the world

every religion especially in the western religion they couldn't answer for these things and yet the books are filled with them but that's not what they were saying in the pulpits and on the altars is that right so therefore something had to be silenced and it was meantime why did the silence benefit the movement because if the papers were still filled with them you and I would be listening to the wrong side of flying saucers to the surface side the deeper side you see there again is a revelation it doesn't matter you say well I believe this contactee but I don't believe the other one because a lot of people don't believe me but they believe Adamski a lot of them don't go along with me but they go along with Dan Fry it doesn't matter to each his own notice that there's about 12 different kinds of contactees it doesn't matter if there's 200 or 300 but there's 12 different kinds yet reveal themselves only that to that extent

because we ourselves are already becoming space visitors let's look back again when they began to make right angle turns only a few years ago many of you recall that our own remote control objects especially one of France was almost making right angle turns by remote control then the aviators began to say wait a minute we're beginning the clock speeds 18,000 miles per hour everybody says no it couldn't be nothing could go that fast that we know the first satellite sent into space by Russia 25,000 miles per hour wasn't it you see how they were already giving us the writing on the wall there's a pattern in the revelations look back and there's the proof of it then he showed us 100,000 miles an hour 25,000 miles an hour well that's the clocking of it so it went on and I thought as far as I was concerned like Neptune said it's one day that I will stop and I thought my days were over for lecturing and talking so I was quiet quite a long while

until I met a man in the desert 1954 the latter part of 54 in fact in December I was working in the 29 Palms there for a while about 5 months lion's furniture store some of you may know of it green earth and eternity I love the desert it has a message so I wanted to stay there and there's where I met Adam well now we're going to have a little recess I believe here incidentally the book son of the sun is written about Adam as he told me his story his experience is much better than mine and he also told me who these people were which I couldn't put in my first book because I didn't know he also told me where I was permitted to see I never went there physically I never left this earth but for 7 days I spent in a place where he 2 or 3 years later spent physically and he told me it was not the planet an asteroid Lucifer I was actually being shown the inside of a huge spaceship 10 miles in diameter which was of course belonged to these space people

which houses half a million of their people and at the time that I was permitted to see it it was hovering in the atmosphere of Venus on the sun side lightning and thunder and because he had a broader mind because he knew more he was shown more things in fact he was taken into the sun and out again with one of their little ships not to the core of the sun it couldn't be possible not with material things but into the sun and out and he explained how that was done so I thought I would never write that story but he said someday you will 1955 he died he knew he was going to die but he said when you get a sign you will in Russia I sent up a satellite this is the sign now I feel I got to write the story and that's when I began to write Son of the Sun and I tried to write it three different ways just as facts publishers didn't want it all facts mixed in with part of the story the publishers didn't want it but finally Mr. Andrews of the Boersen Company

he said Orfeo there is a story behind that I know it he said why don't you go and write it the way you got it so I did when I brought it back he said that's the way it's supposed to come by golly it was just like Adam said it would pan out that way anyhow we have a ten minute recess and we have a question and answer period later and we will finish a little more about Adam during that question and answer period thank you be thinking of your questions and someone will pass among you giving you paper and pencil if you would like to write a question thank you I asked you to write the book the way you got it since some didn't like all fact and some didn't like it like fact and the story and your publisher said to write it the way you got it my question is just how did you get get it there is a second question I will ask that after Orfeo answers how I got it would take all night to tell it in fact I set up three whole nights from beginning to end

to listen to it so we would have to sit here three nights I do kind of had to go a little early to pick up my son otherwise I would do it but I couldn't how I got it I tell you this why didn't I want to really write it as it happened because you see when I got the story my own book was not published yet the secret of the saucers was not yet published I had sent it in to Ray Palmer you know the editor of search magazine at that time it was mystic magazine and he was of course the originator of fate magazine the creator of it and all that and he had never published a book except one before and I thought that he had just thrown it in the waste basket and mercifully wasn't telling me anything about it nine months had gone by and here I sit up and listen to this man many people have told me their experiences and stories but this man I set up because of the way I met him of the impression he made on me but he was a man of this earth

he was a physician from Seattle, Washington he was doomed to die and he knew it he had an ailment which would only give him nine months at the most at the time he found out well even after I heard it and it was wonderful and I wondered how I could stay up three nights and listen without feeling fatigued I still didn't want to write it because I didn't have a name in Andres except he said they called him Adam and if I wondered it wasn't hard to get he was a physician from Seattle 38 years old never been married very successful and a very good physician but that was all the bigger Adam was lying inside of him that's what his experience brought out now when I heard it it was a wonderful story better than my own because therefore I was tired of writing things that were not going to be published but he said my book was going to be published he had even described it during the time he was telling me his story they had shown him my book while he was with them

because by then this was on a Friday night he was there until Saturday morning and of course Saturday night he was there until Sunday in other words it was three whole nights when he finally left I decided to call Ray Palmer I went to work that day I went to mine instead of putting in a call and he took it out of my wages Amherst Press Wisconsin and I asked him if my book was ever going to be published at all he said oh yes incidentally I mailed you out flyers and what not samples of the jacket and the color of the cover and everything he does those things he just mails everything and also he says the proof is just the color and everything that Adam described but you see they had shown him my book before it was published they had known that Ray Palmer had decided on everything and children ten years old on board this huge spaceship had reproduced this book completely now that's their hobby ten year old kids and made Adam read it

it took him four and a half to five hours to read it and he was to read that before he was going to be shown because that book would prime him and in other words prepare him for what he was to see I still was not going to publish it even right after my book came out I thought well there's no longer a market for these things not until that night I was driving on Eagle Rock Boulevard some of you know what that is and the news the car radio announced the news that Russia had sent out a satellite and they broke into a program then a few minutes later I was on the regular news and from then on it was just news I couldn't believe it I kept riding around over to Pasadena down Colorado Boulevard and all the lights to me became stars and back to Eagle Rock Boulevard down Glendale Brand Boulevard all over I just wanted news news but I wanted to be riding and to me all those lights were just myriads of stars man has at last become a space visitor

and what was coming through me write that book and then I thought Andrus was right Mr. Andrus of Devorah's & Company write it as you got it so I thought well how did I get it well begin right from the beginning describe this man show him how you sat down and listened to him and tell what he told you and so I did and that's how it came to me the second question that was written here I don't know if you will know or not astronomers and others name the other planets and so forth then why do the space people that come from our name Mars call themselves Martians unless through coincidence they named Mars Mars same with Saturn well on that I think everybody's guess is as good as mine why didn't Neptune ask me to call him nothing but Neptune it was not his real name and even Adam only heard two real names of theirs and one was well it wasn't even a real one Lani which is one of the women who was his hostess or his guide for six days

the last one was Aleva that was a real name very phonetic very feminine sounding and humanity is the same all through the universe now Mars they only say Martians and Mars because we call it that if they said any other name we wouldn't know what they meant they may call it something else now we call Alpha Centauri the closest star to our sun the next closest star to us is Alpha Centauri well they these particular people of whom I speak came from there but I did not know that until Adam had told me I had begun to suspect it but then Adam really found out he had suspected it better than I did but do they call it Alpha Centauri not necessarily not at all but we call it Alpha Centauri so therefore they tell us that these people that come here they are much healthier than we are their minds, their brains everything functions perfect now we have people on this earth we have one man at least that knows 60 different languages what's 200 different languages

to these space visitors whose minds are much better they hear it once and that's it we've got it, photographic minds what is for instance if they were to contact a certain party if they were to contact a little bit lastly they'll send one of theirs or a crew of theirs who are more attuned to that person than anyone else they step down a lot Neptune had to step down to speak to me and I had to come up that's why they make their that's why they're feeling to give us a head as far as names we call Pluto the last planet that we know of in astronomy out in our solar system do they call it Pluto, we don't know the question substance is this how do you become a contactee now that I don't know because you're aware that you have been a contactee only after you've been smitten in other words how do you know how can we go out and get struck by lightning you don't know until you've been struck we don't know we'll all be contactees sometimes

and who knows there are some of us who have a different experience with it through awakening through dreams which are not dreams how do we know they're not contacts and furthermore does a contact mean anything the best part of my contact that I know is this that has awakened me most contactees if they can go out and contact these flying saucers and bring one down at any moment I don't know how that's done I'm not able to after my first experience I tried for 30 days to contact them all different ways giving them the symbol of the hydrogen atom intelligent signals which I thought they would expect of me if this were true this was after my first contact and I was becoming less and less believing in them not once did I get a reply but once they did give me a reply to one of my best signals three weeks after I had made the signal to let me know we saw you and we know don't try to contact us now I don't know except according to our awareness

if we have stepped over the little threshold of not being interfering they will contact us according to that contact my particular contact satisfied me those of you who don't believe it I don't ask you to believe it now believe me but let me see you get away from it we're in that world believe in them believe in God believe in the universe it's alive and you're part of it that's more than believing in my story and there your contact will come after that according to the way it's supposed to be the space brothers will not or will never let earth man destroy himself and the world because of the unbalance in the universe it would cause yet you say that space man will not or cannot interfere in our destiny please explain well revelations mean a lot more to me than they used to mean and I believe they mean a lot to you we are not going to destroy this world we are not going to destroy any part of this solar system not today

not because we have these big megaton hydrogen bombs the hydrogen bomb remember is nothing but a big atom bomb it takes two atom bombs to set off one hydrogen bomb that's why the radiation in the hydrogen bomb otherwise we would have no fallout in the hydrogen bomb we could destroy this world if we wanted to what man could set off the thing that would destroy the whole world none when we have wars all through the past they were just as big and just as important as this atomic war will be and we may have it the plague that we had years ago you know the black plague of Europe wiped out almost half the population it was like the atom bomb the well these here epidemics and eventually don't we all die if we believe in destruction don't we all die isn't that destruction now if you don't believe that that's destruction the destruction of this world is any more destruction we cannot destroy this world and upset the whole universe

no we couldn't because then interference would come in we are powerless yet to destroy this world how are we going to destroy the solar system eventually we will be able to but by that time we will have grown inside here either godward so that we couldn't do a thing like that like these space visitors of whom we speak or the universe have done in our doing or we will destroy the solar system but then have we destroyed anything only that which was allotted to us and we begin over again and once we destroy the solar system we cannot take the weight away from the solar system so how is it going to upset the universe now I know that some contacts are given to think that we can do this so therefore it's going to upset the whole hierarchy and the whole milky way and then the other milky ways no that's only given to some of us to begin to think in those general directions because someday we may be able to do it but we will only do our solar system

you remember 200 years ago we were thinking only of somebody destroying a city then we were thinking of somebody destroying well two or three cities but in that we meant destroying their people in world war one we thought well we are coming close to destroying cities look we have these bombs in world war two we had the potential to do it in world war three we can do it but are we any worse off than we were a thousand years ago no

[01:45:25] Audience questions and discussion

it's all a matter of climbing one day hell is coming we will be headed for earth I got that from my first experience symbology it's there for that purpose one day it will traverse our orbit at the same time that we find ourselves in that same spot instead of seeing its tail part as a meteor shower we will meet it head on it will come as a mathematical accident it was meant to be but by that time we either know enough to destroy it all together and veer it off its course because it's an erratic body a mass of little bodies in fact or otherwise we will not know but by the time it's meant for us we will also we will also have had the means by which to destroy it had we divided it it would have developed in here as well as up here because see going completely materialistic all the science in the world isn't going to help us it's just dead it's sounding brass how good if everybody in the world had an automobile we'd just have more accidents

we'd just get mad at each other we wouldn't appreciate them any more than we appreciated the horse we didn't appreciate the horse any more than we appreciated walking so you see these things don't mean a thing destruction of anything there's no destruction there's just motion change start over again this is the last question here would you please recount the story of meeting with the famous science fiction writer who supposedly wrote a space movie but confided to you that he did not though he received credit for it I can't tell all the stories but how many of you have heard of Ray Bradbury put your hands up quite a few in science fiction and just about as well known as any of them he never wrote for the movies he wrote it's a funny thing he had written also one article about golden apples those of you who read that know him ships going into the sun a ship from earth and finally picking part of the sun's body out to bring back to earth

and they went through such rigors about it they had to do it at a certain timing and certain materials which could withstand the heat well in son of the sun you read much more than that a ship goes right into it and comes out and it's explained how it's done why was it to me this Ray Bradbury I don't know I had gone to see a picture that he wrote it came from outer space any of you remember seeing that it came from outer space may I see your hands there was a lot to that picture much more than I thought and I had gone on the invitation of Max B. Miller as some of you may know of him he was always starting this flying saucer picture and still is in it has become a wonderful editor he asked me to go and see it and we did we had to have these glasses on because it was three dimensional 3D it was wonderful the plot, the scientific part this conical plastic crystal instrument that they were able to focus certain energies to a point with

how these two this man and woman who were the heroes of the story had gone into this cabin out in the desert and although they thought maybe they were wrong having seen this thing maybe it was only their imagination but no and as they were thinking so they saw this little trail like snowflakes left on the trail and as they approached it it all melted away gradually disappeared well to me that was just easily explainable if Ray Bradbury is that kind of a writer I wonder where he's getting this everything in this picture is of such a scientific so sound scientifically I'll put it that way that he himself must really know basic science such as not known yet and I had the privilege of meeting Ray Bradbury at the writers convention of course he had many people many of these other writers go to him getting his autograph and I waited for a free moment with him I asked him only how Ray I said did you get the material for that picture

that's all I want to know for that one picture it came from outer space he says come here this I'm interested he drew me aside and that's all he was interested he said I'm glad you asked that you seem to want to know he says I don't know he said they hired me for three weeks to go there and put me in a little cabin on the lot and he says here now write a story and we'll produce it because space stories were hot then so he did produce it and he quit them right after they paid him they paid him a good salary but they didn't produce what he wrote and he went through all the offices through the story department through the director and all and said who had the composition who had the final sentence no one did he says you tell me that I said Ray that's one of the most mystical that's one of the most authentic pictures I ever saw I said well I didn't tell him this it didn't be the day the earth stood still in the message but it did to me scientifically

so that's what I meant by that in that book and I think I've told you about it a few minutes ago

this will conclude the question and answer period but Arfi Angelucci has a few more minutes to give you on the story of the son of the sun which I think that if you'd like to hear it possibly ten more minutes or less because he has this other engagement to meet his son and daughter-in-law from France thank you Lee as I said I was working at 29 Palms I had gone there and stayed with a I didn't know of course whether I was going to get a job or not but I got one as soon as I applied to a furniture company and I worked there five months I went there in November in October a young man by the name of Earl Brewer had come from Seattle he had trouble with his lungs he had asthma very bad his lungs had gone bad and one of them had to well was just gone he had six months to live in Seattle but he is still in 29 Palms today the desert just did that he has tried to come back to Los Angeles he has tried to go here and there to the deserts

other parts and it just didn't seem to do him any good in fact he finally had to go to the City of Hope and have part of the left lung removed but at least he is living wonderful he is running the Greyhound bus station today in Banning working for the 29 Palms office and he can always get that meantime I had met him and he didn't believe in flying saucers but he had taken a woman there from Seattle who wanted to meet me and wanted to meet other contactees I never saw a smile on his face he thought how can a person lie so much but my son Richard the one I am picking up tonight had asked me once I saw him laughing all of a sudden I said what are you laughing at Rick this was a few years ago he said you know come to think of it I don't know how you can get it up in front of people and tell them you rode a flying saucer he said boy that takes guts well Earl felt the same way but anyhow we got acquainted and today we are best friends

he got to like me immediately and I got to like him very wonderful young man and there is something about him that is very unusual although an earth man very likeable everybody likes him and he still doesn't believe in flying saucers in spite of the fact that he himself has had experiences but when I went to live in 29 Palms when I went to 29 Palms he thought I was going there for the weekend and he was so happy my gosh I met a few people Orfeo and all that but he says you know suddenly he says you are my best friend oh he says why don't you stay with me a couple of days I said yeah Earl there is a couple of days I said it might be longer than that I just got a job well he was beside himself so anyhow he said I didn't have to pay anything just as long as I would keep him company so I went to that little hut there was nothing much more than a little hut the kitchen the little shower and the living room which was actually the bedroom

things like that I don't think I ever had a better time in my life to me that is the dividing point in my life is something ethereal all about it everything all kinds of experiences I was working hard and I was not really able to do it physically laying floors and scraping concrete floors and things like that it was quite a hard job meantime at night I would come home tired and he would read to me read me philosophy trying to get me away from this flying saucer stuff imagine that there are so many good things oh he read me from Philip Wiley and then from the message to young churches all everything fine I will read on in three or four minutes I would be asleep otherwise I never could sleep I have to read before I go to sleep so he took off for three days he decided it was getting near Christmas this is almost the middle of December so he wanted to go to Seattle and see his friends he said even if they killed him took the car

parked it in Los Angeles at my house took the plane went to Seattle now when he came back of course I had this story to tell him and Earl says oh isn't it funny I am gone three or four days and you have a story why couldn't it happen while I am here well I said Earl look at all the things I said I am not telling you all the story anyhow I said in fact I don't believe it myself I said in fact I don't believe anything anymore I don't believe I don't know I said it's all a dream and yet I couldn't help believing all the evidences that night when he went off to work that night I came home dressed and I said let me go to Tiny's restaurant I ate more meals in there with Earl than any other restaurant we like Tiny's a great big 400 pounder that's why they call him Tiny and he had a heart as big as his soul I mean as his body and he gave big rations because he thought everybody ate big he thought everybody ate big and he was just pleasant to be in his restaurant

there was nothing unusual about it it was right on the highway so I parked the car and went on the sidewalk and I was near the door there came that feeling again now that had become strange to me because it was two or three years before I had my last one it's not that feeling we get like first love at first sight or this wonderful awakening it's different beautifully you are lifted everything is gone the sidewalk became velvet the stars became soft the air was mellow everything is wonderful I thought oh no I just want to lay floors now I don't want any more to do I don't want to work hard I want to feel my aches and pains hit my hand with a hammer oh no something is going to happen and I know it and I did know it and I felt it and I opened the door the restaurant ready to go to the counter which was on my right and as soon as I did here was a wonderful man let's say beautiful I couldn't help but admire him immediately

he was at the first table facing the door and I closed the door like as if I was enchanted I was walking toward him and he says good evening Orfeo and I walked up to him and said you know me he said well no sooner no better than you'll soon know me and he told me his story I sat down I noticed that he had a place for a guest and I was to be the invited guest I just felt that he invited me now tiny's restaurant gave pictures of beer very big pictures I mean of water he served beer too but this was not the nectar so but he had a third glass here I asked him if he was expecting company he said no I said well you got three glasses here he said well I told the waitress two glasses but she probably understood two besides my own because that she would bring anyhow and I noticed that his glass was bubbly fizzy and I remember a few years back something was familiar that nectar that I had had in Forest Lawn Drive that night this was familiar

furthermore I was already sensitized by these beings see I was in tune with him and he looked at me as if he understood me believe me he was a very handsome fellow although he was a disser I met one in fact I almost met him in June when I went for understanding on a lecture tour in San Carlos California that was the exact reproduction in every way and I sat up all night with him somebody had invited us me and then invited this man and I noticed something about him we sat up all night to the wee hours of the morning the sun came up and these people had to go to work and I asked my host who had read my first book this man had it I said do you notice something the husband said yes I do he is a Russian that is a Russian extraction I got citizenship papers not too long ago and his wife also yeah there is something mysterious about all this I said remember reading about Adam yeah how I sat up all night and I wasn't tired

I said we didn't drink any nectar tonight we drank coffee but I said somebody is making us feel healthy you see this was only last June as Adam said I went up on the western coast up to Vancouver on a tour and therefore it was the first time I was north of Sacramento the first time I was invited to Seattle and here I was expecting things I wore brand new clothes that night I didn't tell anybody why instead of meeting Adam in Seattle I met him in well near San Francisco so therefore I didn't expect him in Seattle and I knew Adam died anyhow this was not Adam furthermore this man was 48 years old he would have been 45 at the time that I met Adam all these things were just so you see experiences never really stop they just flow they're not things you could write about the man's name is Roy Hunt and he's a CPA certified public accountant very good and also a writer and he's writing a book and he's not telling anybody what it is

he's digging deep so this night I went in and I sat down and I asked him what this third glass was about and he said no we'll let it go at that and he told me he was this physician from Seattle I said that's funny in fact she's just gone this morning but I was in a different world now even the restaurant was different some people were on the counter and some at the tables but to me it was like being in the seventh heaven and he asked me if I wanted a bottle of beer I said no I said I have water tonight so this man says just call me Adam there's nothing else he says I'll give you my name and address if you want it after I tell you my story he poured me a glass of water he said then have the best champagne in the world he went into his pocket and poured a very tiny pellet into the glass and immediately it was fizzing and bubbling and the aroma that came to my nose I knew it immediately I was beginning to feel even better

better gradually and I looked at his glass his glass of course had about that much from the top he had drank some I said Adam I wouldn't dare dream this is what I think he said well taste it it is and I did one little swallow even the rest was no longer now we finished our meal he told me his story that he was doomed but that he had a big story to tell me I began to hear music I don't know and I looked at the third glass and it was beginning to fill itself with water just plain water as I looked at it I asked him if he wasn't doing that he said no he said are you sure you're not pouring it when I'm not looking but this time we had come almost to the dessert meantime the glass was filled completely and I heard this wonderful instant music that I had heard before and Adam had heard before music out of this world music of the spheres but it was playing an earth number many of you know that number and I noticed that for a while

I took my glance off the glass and ate with him we were now at our dessert and I noticed that he was smiling dropping right on the table he wasn't eating just looking at the glass and I looked now this is fantastic you can say now I've really gone raving mad but there was a beautiful young girl dancing in that glass to the music of Siboney dancing like you've never seen the robe the white robe that swung around seemed to almost be made alive as her the hair was doing the same beautiful golden hair came flowing over his shoulders she never looked at me but looked at him finally I could hear the music whirling toward the end I could hear the music whirling toward the end she whirled around and got on one knee and bowed out looking intently into my eyes as though to say you're still uncouth as compared to Adam and believe me I was I was just the opposite and yet one day that look seemed to say one day you'll know what he's going through now

you've never experienced that really inner torture I still had a lot of ego in me I still thought I knew it all even after my experiences even though my book was not written I was resenting the fact that it wasn't written a lot of things well six months later I was to know what she meant it came gradually to another person exactly repetition and for eighteen months I was living as Adam now here's what Adam had told me he said we're going to listen to the you're going to listen to my story he paid the bill that was his guest we went out on the sidewalk in fact we were the last ones we stayed in there so long and Tiny said well you either stay here and watch the place or else we're closing and everyone was closing there was Tiny and the waitress and the chefs in the kitchen and we stayed on the sidewalk for a while still talking and we're going to meet over at old Brosinwood house and I was giving him directions he said I know where you're at

well anyhow you follow me meantime Tiny rapped goodnight on the door of the entrance door he said well boys goodnight I said goodnight and as we looked in there all the tables had been cleared except that one where we were that one glass was still there there was no girl in there dancing there was no liquid it was just there just like it had been there when I had entered and as we looked we looked at each other Adam and I wondered why the waitress hadn't picked it up with the others and as we looked the glass just folded in like melting wax and disappeared in other words was it there in the first place did anybody else see it besides us I don't think so it doesn't matter they could easily have done anything there sensitized only for us or accommodated only for our eyes since we were in that condition and then just televised Lonnie dancing in it just as simple as that and then of course he told me the whole story back in Earl's house

I brewed some coffee for him he went and put the radio on he said let's have some music tonight he was in the mood for music the first thing we got was rock and roll but for a while he listened to it he went over and it just wasn't with his story he went over and turned it off he says my gosh just imagine this is like raping the beautiful night air and the ethers in a night like this in a way it was because it was awful bang bang unearthly unhumanly music it turned into something better and I sat up all night the way I had become unaware of the music and so had he all night he told me his story he had come he was a physician he had developed lymphosarcoma cancer of the lymph system knew he was to die and he was frantic he wanted to know he wanted courage he had never gone to church much he had never married he was 38 years old he thought there was always time oh he told me there was a woman that liked him an awful lot and never got married

her name was Dora but he hadn't seen her in a year or two so he didn't even know what happened to her meantime he closed out his practice and went to see some of his patients who he knew were doomed those who had courage especially and those who didn't and how some of them seemed to go with a glow on their face and others some of them didn't he wanted that courage and where would he get it from he had called the Mayo Clinic he had called Johns Hopkins Cornell University all over there was nothing new on lymphosarcoma just in the dark physically medically there was nothing to be done for him so he was frantic now what kind of courage he tried to go to churches he couldn't seem to pick it up and then a friend of his asked him to go to the flying saucer lecture in Seattle mind you a very stern city Earl Brewer had told me that nobody in Seattle would listen to anything about flying saucers he said we'd land in the hooska out there

or in the booby hatch and yet Adam had gone to hear a flying saucer lecture and of course he was well off as I said he was a very successful physician he had sixty to seventy thousand dollars he didn't know what to do with them he brought up all the literature there was there anything at all to read he said at least it's intriguing and among them happened to be the little twentieth century times which was my first story put in newspaper font and also the nature of infinite entities it was the only two things I had at the time he picked them up and somehow or other he had an affinity for both and he seemed to understand the nature of infinite entities and his readiness he told me that later nevertheless he forgot about it

[02:08:51] Closing remarks

but something about twenty nine palms held out in my story he said wait a minute maybe solitude funny I want to go there and isn't it odd today you know that that whole area that valley this is off the record here all space minded people are beginning to settle in that whole area hundreds of square miles now you know that that rock the giant rock there which seems to be charged it's there it's everybody we're driven there you see there's a reason I don't know the reason but he went there he finally left Seattle and went there spent three or four weeks in solitude instead of getting a motel he was at a restaurant he heard two men speaking of their cabin and he thought he'd rented a solitary cabin which was east of twenty nine palms a few miles out as long as I want solitude he's going to have it he rented it from them for fifty dollars they gave him one of their keys there's nothing in there except a table a few chairs and some water

and what not and that's all and the bed and a couple of couch there's rustic things and that's what he wanted so for a few nights he went to town during the day he went to town but he tried to find solitude and solitude wouldn't come you hear the coyotes at night and still it wouldn't come one night though before going to town it's funny he shaved and then it grew dark and he didn't want to go to town he felt peculiar this is according to this story to me and he stayed by this cabin there was a desert willow near there he went over and he said it was a particularly mellow night he said maybe it was me but I was feeling different I went by this wall of desert willow and I looked up into the sky and then he says all that I had read came back the universe is populated who are we after all all things move haven't I learned that change everything changes but change itself everything is going through there is an all pervading

purpose a god and all that now you see he was beginning to forget himself really forget it he was beginning to put himself in his right position for the first time but it was only surface yet then he of course looked and pondered deeper wonder if there are these things flying saucers oh I believe there could be space beings all over yes but these contexts the stories I've been reading now just lately and the saucers I've read in the papers could it be just then he thought he saw a star move it just seemed to be a star move well he knew it was not a meteor he knew it was on a plane because it went out it stopped for a while and went out he knew it was nothing that he knew the feeling was coming stronger maybe it could be he looked up again now the thing appeared much bigger than it was before it made a circle around his head changed color threw out new flames and went out there was a feeling also too he didn't know what to think now

he certainly believed what he was seeing in other words they were lifting him up too and then he said it appeared for the third time bigger way bigger a big circle changing color from the center throwing out a little flame and that was all and then for the first time the desert willow seemed to stir like a breeze came and then he thought he saw something wobbly he thought his eyes were blurring and suddenly a ship appeared an igloo and he saw a beautiful woman and he said Adam she called him Adam and it wasn't his name and yet to him for this time he said it was he said having nothing to lose he said we wish to ride in an experience and he sensed what it would be so he accepted well to end it because we could go on all night he was taken he didn't know where he had reached speeds of 10 million miles an hour in this little ship and yet he felt no acceleration or whatever he remained to turn around while leaving the earth

at that speed to look at the earth on the day side see in my first experience I had seen it only on the night side I had seen a big huge rainbow encircling a dark interior which of course I was on the night side of the earth the sun was on the other side the rainbow was the atmosphere but he was seeing the day side and she had to give him a pill first the nectar the little tablets you see that he had in his pocket take this before you see this when they turn it around in their chairs it's part of the ship crystal clear there was the earth just falling back into a velvet bed of stars black velvet beautiful different colors the stars are different colors out in space depending on the brightness and the distance then he saw the moon coming at a certain point of distance he saw the moon appear and he said he really couldn't have stood it unless he had taken something to make him understand it and of course for eight hours they traveled

they had to eventually stop and slow down and she told them before they entered they were entering Venus and in fact as they approached it they saw it coming bigger and bigger the mother ship, the monitor ship not the mother ship the monitor ship was not far from them they were controlling this little ship and her mate was in that ship and yet Adam was to fall in love with her between here and Venus why? because she was just this type she would have been on earth now she had to step down somewhat psychologically and spiritually and he had to come up in order to meet themselves even halfway you see she was elegant she said call me nothing but there she says there's nothing you know all these things it comes to you so easy you've never fallen in love you don't know what it is because you've been wonderful you could have been a whole human being you have been a good physician not a big well known one but perfect in what he did

but he was too methodical you see what I mean everything was just so as far as spiritual things didn't bother him too much love it would come someday he would realize he was already 38 years old but he felt as healthy as he felt even the strongest man has his water and when he came he was terrified he was having his experience he said we cannot show you anything material wise fundamentally unless you first are prepared nothing will mean anything to you unless you first love as many of us say is the love of man and woman the same thing yes anything to do with love is love we're giving glimpses of it we let it go because we're living in the darkness in the wilderness anything that has to do with love with picking us up with the imagination with the inspiration is love it's how nature has its way of drawing us together to see that we propagate that we keep going nevertheless it means more than that the things they were shown aboard this ship

would mean nothing to him except marvels scientific marvels which would do nothing to him inside now by the time he got aboard the ship she told him that he was going to forget her he said I promise you my love till the day I die which is not too long well she smiled at that he didn't know why then she said well your hostess will be longing she'll put you through the paces she said you'll really know then what it means to feel something deep inside where it really hurts well he said I doubt it but from then for a few minutes he was quiet Vega told him see he says already with anticipation you've forgotten me you're already anticipating longing and it was meant to be later he met her he was shown wonders he was shown these children who set the tables for the elders as they greeted him singing everybody on board half a million people singing the whole city a city within a huge spaceship all seemed these little cabins seemed to be

on fire even their big center buildings seemed to be on fire with beautiful colored light it was their walls plastic walls electronically there were no locks on their doors nothing no one had money isn't even mentioned the only one who ever mentioned money in that book was me and Adam he noticed they go about their business whenever there's something wanted when one wants to go to the physics department where they teach their children half a million of them five hundred thousand all but one thousand are retarded ones mind you even Vega this one was a retarded one they picked them up among them there was only one thousand of them for our own sake let's call them the peers they're a little higher than we are but they're not almighty they're here just to see that we learn but we guide the ship we learn we observe but their most retarded one believe me to us would be a mastermind their children at ten years old know at least thirty or forty of our languages

they reaper him as he was dining on the first breakfast while they were having lunch you could see the time schedule until the next day they put him in rhythm while they were dining a young boy ten years old came over with his favorite newspaper and magazine reproduced right up to date no they didn't bring it from the earth they reproduced it there that's their hobby and a girl put a little bracelet on it told him it has symbols and once she climbed it on she said nothing that you know will dissolve but we can just like that coin that I hadn't mentioned in my first experience it was in the ship now I didn't tell you but when I picked that coin up within thirty five minutes it had dissolved in my hand sublimation nothing but melting of a coin that's the way they could take that bracelet of Adam they said we don't take chances nothing is going to happen to you Adam but in case it does first it happens to us and we get stranded anywhere in the universe

and you eventually found some day the higher ones will know who you were who had you in their custody in their protection the day you were born all your histories on those little beads with the symbols on that bracelet believe it or not you see and they showed him records of his own life recorded on very small discs his whole lifetime they went out to dine one night said well let's go to what you might call a nightclub and dine they did well I've seen better halls than this on earth as though no one had paid attention to him immediately one of the walls became three dimensional television he saw Columbus landing everything recorded word for word and no one even looked at him or at it he looked to the right at him and this one had George Washington and Valley Forge now why these because they're the things that he knew they're the things he would want to see the pilgrims landing and one of them in the back where there would have been a floor shell

the most wondrous sight of all Saturn approaching as a ship approaches at a terrific speed the most beautiful planet in the solar system except the earth Venus does not have this physical beauty as Saturn got bigger and bigger and bigger and with its rings a little bit askew he noticed stars beyond it until finally it filled the whole three dimensional scene it was awesome it was just beautiful too beautiful for words they thought nothing of it eventually they showed him their ships going to the red spot of Jupiter telling him what it was it was one of the molten metals of all the seas of Jupiter many things the reason Jupiter is big and is about to become a star because of its weight the red spot the reason Saturn is Saturn as you see on the sun of the sun here is the exact symbol of the hydrogen atom our whole solar system is the exact symbol as we know it scientifically from what we know today Pluto sits out there to tell us

the decimal nine planets revelations who put them there nine is the mystical universal figure you can figure anything out but it needs one thing to give it total life and completion zero makes it ten decimal system thus we have nine planets and each one is symbolic of something Saturn of the hydrogen atom Mercury there going very fast by the sun telling us things and we are beginning to find them out but what gives them all life the tenth one the biggest of them all suns of the sun even in the bible it says let there be light before there was us and you know that beyond that sun is God beyond all his hierarchy angels he has one medium there between him and us closer than anything and any of them that's that sun believe it or not and this when Adam had gone in there with this woman finally he had heard he got scared even though he had decided to go meantime he had had his moment of illumination and when he did everybody drew aside

it was his moment with eternity it was different from that once he had asked them if they could heal him and Saturn says yes Saturn was their very chief the high peer but he said that would be interfering and yet it could be done under certain conditions but ask us again he says after a few days after you learn more after his moment of illumination after he had seen so much of purpose and order he forgot to ask them and Saturn reminded him Adam have you not forgotten something oh yeah no he said I can't think of anything he said no because he said it's meant to be it would only give me a few more years now I found my courage that I was looking for he says if I was cured now I may find fear again I may be doing something I don't want to do that's alright what is life anyhow no matter how long it is except a purpose there's no end I know now there's no death anyhow because you people don't believe in it you have that same faith

they said they knew no more about God than we did but that they believed in God the whole planet did whereas ours is still wavering you see what I mean therefore they're in tune more with his nature and they give many more revelations so therefore now he had finally come back to earth coming back from the sun on the final day which he had first come back to earth then be taken into the sun because he had to decide while he was on earth when he came back this woman Oliva says here says would you like to write this story says I don't have the time nor the inclination says my experiences have been beautiful says however she says you will meet one who will write it someday might write it says who says well you've read his book you see how he had come to read my book that reproduced it first night I thought there was something in the story that didn't ring right then when he mentioned the book I thought how did you see that book

then it came out in his story now he says you will meet somebody you're in 29 pounds now and this fellow you read about believe it or not he's in 29 pounds also he says you're going to go to the little restaurant called Tiny's you're going to have some pellets in your pocket you won't have a recollection of this experience except it will come back to you during the day gradually piecemeal and when you're in that restaurant it will come back to you finally and when he comes in you'll know he's rather thin and I was thinner then than now dark hair but he didn't have to describe me and he will know you so don't worry about it you know him because you've already read his story and you've read that little 20th century times the nature of infinite entities so anything you tell him he's just as crazy as you he'll listen to you she didn't say those words but I mean let's put it that way and so there's the story how I happened to meet him

and how he was in there but still as I said I wasn't going to write it not until two years later had I not told this story to my boys and to others my wife far in advance before I wrote it far before Sputnik 1 it would sound like I had made it up but I had told it to them really I mean piecemeal so that when I did put it together they knew that I had already had it so that's the end of that and I thank you

on behalf of Unit 15 I want to thank Orfeo Angelucci for a very fine interesting and most unusual story and on our next meeting we're having a gentleman the president of Great Western University from San Francisco down here which you will hear more about in our next announcement so thank you again for coming and we'll see you at the next meeting goodnight