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1959 February 8th Inglewood Unit 15 Of Understanding Dan Martin The Watcher P163

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

Our guest speaker, Mr. Dan Martin of Detroit, is in a small town in Texas, and he says this town no longer exists.

I didn't ask him what the town was. Martin has been receiving what he terms as unorthodox information.

He states his first contact with a spacecraft was in August of 1955, at which time he was told he would be contacted again.

And on June 11, 1956, he was contacted again, and at this time was taken to a large spaceship in which he spent approximately seven hours as their guest,

and attended a lecture by the master of the ship. He says that he heard and saw many things of interest, and what he heard and saw has caused him to completely readjust his mode of living and thinking.

Mr. Martin. Mr. Martin has written three or four books, The Watcher, Seven Hours Aboard a Spaceship, and Seal of Daniel Broken.

I don't know what the other one is. Mr. Martin will tell us some of his experiences today, and I'm sure that if he tells you just a small part of that which he knows, it will be well worth your time for coming.

I am very happy now to present. Mr. Dan Martin of Detroit. Thank you. I'm of an old colored oak one time in Salt Lake City.

He said he never wrote out his sermons or his discourses. He just got up there and he started like he used to do when he was a little boy down south fishing. He said he'd throw his hook out here, and if he didn't get a bite, he'd throw it over there, and he'd keep on until he did get a bite, and then when he got a bite, he'd really preach.

So that's just about it. That's about the only thing I can do. I just start in, and I don't preach. I am not a preacher. I might tell you a little of my history that he didn't tell. I do not belong to any church, any religious organization of any kind. I've had some experiences, and I'm here to tell you about those experiences, not to make a speech.

I'm not an orator. Just to tell you, and just as simple and plain. Just as simple and plain language as I can, as I know how, and that's all I do know. I said before where to start. I enjoy the question and answer period, but I know that there's a lot of you that would like to hear at least briefly the story as briefly as possible,

beginning with my second contact, because the other one was very brief. And of not any great importance, I suppose, any more than it was a message delivered to me.

On June 11th, 1956, I was living at Eagle Pass, Texas, in a batching apartment.

I'm a bachelor. I don't have any family. And I had been listening at that time to a radio program that is broadcast, originates in Pasadena, California.

Perhaps some of you have heard. That program, it is broadcast by a Mr. Armstrong many times, and I like to hear him talk.

He's a good Bible student. He's an intelligent man. And the things that he says is always worth listening to, although I don't agree with him on many things that he says. But I do like to listen to him. His program was finished at 9 o'clock, or I believe it was exactly 9 o'clock by our time. Okay. I turned the radio off. My chair, I had just a little one room. I had a front room and a front door and a back door to this room. And I sat there. I began thinking about some of the things that Mr. Armstrong had said. I well remember his subject. He talked at that time on the ten lost tribes of Israel. I was sitting there thinking about the things that he had said. And there was a knock on my back door. Through the screen of my door. And there was a man and a woman standing in front of my screen door. I got up and went to the door. And I looked on out. And there was a very nice looking man and woman standing there.

Now I wouldn't say that they were not glamorously beautiful at all. But they were nice looking people. Intelligent. They didn't look ghostly or spooky. I wasn't scared. They were just impressive people. So they spoke to me and called me by name. They said, you are Mr. Martin. They didn't ask me if I was. They said, you are Mr. Martin. Damp old day. I said, yes I am. They said, we have come to take you on a journey of about seven hours duration. This journey will be a pleasant experience. And can be a profitable one to you and many of your friends. If you are ready to go. I unhooked the screen. It was my habit to keep the screen hooked at that time. And I didn't think about my hat. Of course it was night at that time anyway. So I just unhooked the screen and I stepped out. And I stepped between the man and the woman. They had kind of separated. The man took me with the right arm just above the elbow. The lady took me with the left arm.

And we just went up. Just like if we had been on an elevator. We just went up. That's all there was to it. I had been asked if I had any sensation. And I did.

[07:00] Dan Martin on 'The Watcher'

Just exactly like I would if I had been on a rapidly moving elevator. But it was only at the time of the start. After I got up in the air. I had no sensation of moving. I couldn't even feel the wind. The air passing by me. Pulls for several thousand feet anyway. I could look down when we first started. And I could see the lights in the two cities. The Mexican town of Piedras Negras. And the American town of Eagle Pass. The Rio Grande River flows between these two cities. In just a little while the lights disappeared. And the water of the river disappeared. I couldn't see anything. I could look down and I was just a blank. But I could see stars off in the distance in the sky. And I could see... Well, this didn't go on, I don't think, for more than just a few minutes, possibly two or three minutes, I don't know how long, until we stopped.

And again, I had a sensation of stopping. This time, I looked above me, and there was what appeared to be a large umbrella or a canopy. I estimate that to have been between 35 and 50 feet in diameter. For this affair, there was a, I have called it a tube and a conduit, and I don't know whether either one of those names are right, but that's the only thing I know to call it.

It was an affair that suspended down, and it was about maybe five feet in diameter.

And our heads were within four or five inches of the bottom of this affair. And as we stopped, a door in the bottom of this affair opened. And it was a tube. It was not a trap door like you raise up. It was a spiral affair, a series of disc plates. And they just rolled back. They didn't open up and down. Well, we went up in that without any effort on my part. We just went up in it. And when we got inside, this door closed, and we stood on it, just like I'm standing on this floor.

Instantly, there was another door of exactly the same size and character. It opened over our heads, and we went up again. And this door closed, and we stood on it. At this time, I looked about me, and we were in a small room. I'd say possibly about ten by twelve. Not any larger than that, I'm sure. On each side of the room, there was a little settee, kind of a bed front, or directly in front of us where I was facing.

There appeared to be what looked like a bed. There appeared to be a bed. There appeared to be a bed. There appeared to be a bed. And underneath that was a blank panel board. It seemed to be made of some kind of, well, it looked more like black marble, but I don't think it was marble. It didn't seem to have this, it looked more like a plastic thing that did marble. But anyway, and in front of this, there was this stool, a high-backed stool. Well, the man went over and sat down on this stool, and they either told me to sit down or they motioned to me to sit down. I don't know which, but anyway, I sat down on one of these. And the lady came over and sat down by me. The man turned a knob, a black knob, it wasn't quite as large as that, and there was a, the screen lit up first.

And then there was a humming, just a very slight humming started. I looked about me to see if I could locate where the humming was coming from. And in the back of this room, and right up against the ceiling, there was an affair that looked more like a, a radiator or maybe an air conditioner. And I definitely located this humming noise coming from this instrument. The man now reached over and he moved a little lever that wasn't more than three inches long. And we went up again. And again, I had the same sensation of going up as I had before. As before, it was just the sensation of starting, and then it played out.

We went up in this, I suppose maybe ten minutes. I don't think we got up to ten minutes. I think we were on this craft longer than ten minutes. It could have been longer. But anyway, when we stopped again, again, I had the same sensation of stopping. This time I heard a noise above me. It sounded more like a grating or a coupling. I found out later that it was a coupling, but at that time I didn't know. We stood up. The man got down off his stool. The lady stood up, and we went over and stood right in the center of the room. And again, a door opened right over our heads, just like the two that we had passed through already. And we went up in that. The door closed. And another one over our heads opened. And it closed under our feet. Now, at this time, I looked about me, and I was standing in a hole. I think that possibly this hole could have been three or maybe 400 feet long and about 50 feet wide.

And on each side of the door where we stood, there was a rail on each side, and it was composed of what looked like a type of white, grayish plastic. And immediately in front of us, there was a flat-top desk set, and it was composed of, I think, the same material. And behind this desk sat a lady. She had on a nurse's. She had on a nurse's uniform, a white. And she had a cap on her head. Up to this desk, both the man and the woman, and one on one side of me and one on the other. And they introduced me, called me by name, just as they had called me at my door. The lady stood up and reached her hand across the desk and shook hands with me. And she says, We are glad to have you aboard. That was all. She smiled very pleasantly. And again, I wouldn't say she was a glamorous woman either, but she was a very nice-looking, attractive woman. The two guides, the man and the woman, now turned and walked towards the front of the ship

and left me standing there. She came around the desk, and she says, Let's go this way, please. So we walked down the hall. I could see what looked like a lobby or a kind of a loafing room that, evidently, was in there. the stern of the ship, and I could see through this glass window. I don't know whether it was glass or not, but they were transparent nevertheless. Well, we headed towards this door, and I thought we were going in there. I could see some people in there. But the last door that we came to that opened off to the side, she turned towards this door instead of going in the large room. We walked up to the door, and the door opened automatically. Of course, there's nothing unusual about that because we have those doors here. And she kind of stepped back and motioned me, or maybe she told me to go in. I'm not sure about that. But anyway, I did go in. In front of me, there was another desk. This was a small office.

It wasn't a large, spacious office at all. And behind this desk sat a man, and such a man as I had never saw before.

I mean, the impression that you got from him. Now, he wasn't what we'd, well, he wasn't a movie actor, that's sure. But you just felt, you just knew that you was in the presence of an unusual, very unusual character.

The lady introduced me, and he stood up, and he reached his hand across the desk and shook hands with me.

And he said, I congratulate you on being ready to go when called for. So then he invited me to sit down, and the lady sat down by me. And he started talking. He told me that I was on a spaceship. Of course, I knew that, how I knew it. But I knew I was on a spaceship. So he began telling me some of the history of this ship, where we were, what we were doing.

And as I said before, much of her past history and some of his. And he talked to me about the crew and many other questions. He invited me first. He assured me that I should not be nervous, that there was nothing to fear. And somehow or other, I was not nervous, not nearly as much as I am now. But at any rate, I was not nervous. There just didn't seem to be anything to be nervous about. He told me to ask any question that I felt like asking. And he would answer it if he felt that it was prudent to answer it. So as he talked on, I did ask a few. I asked a few questions, but I found out right away that there was no use in me asking questions in the first place. Because he always beat me to the draw. He answered them before I could ask them. There, I read that he was reading my mind, because he would absolutely answer my questions before I could ask them.

He did let me ask two or three questions, but I think he did that more just to put me at ease. And because he didn't know what I was thinking. Now I'll tell you a few things. One of the things that he told me about this ship, because I know that you folks want to hear something about it. He told me that this particular ship upon which I stood at that time, he used that term, was more than 6,000 years old.

He didn't say how much more, but he did tell me it was more than 6,000 years old. And that it had been on duty in and around our atmosphere, the atmosphere of this planet,

for more than 6,000 years. Now he didn't tell me that he had been her master all that time. And he didn't tell me how long he had been her master. But I gathered from what he said that there had been other masters. He said before some of the outstanding things that he told me about this ship.

Now as I said, first let me give you this understanding. I said before I'm not a preacher, I'm not a religionist. I've read the Bible some, studied the Bible some. And I don't think that you can separate this space question from a certain amount of religious thought and philosophy.

Because I think it all ties in together. But I think many of us have gone off on the deep end one way or the other. He referred me, the first thing he told me about this ship was that this very ship had taken one of our famous Bible characters,

away from this planet, and he mentioned Enoch. It was the first thing he told me, and that happened long before the flood, we know that. Again he told me that this ship and others, before the flood, shortly before the flood, had taken off quite a group of men and women from this planet. They were separated from the then prevalent social order, antediluvian order,

and they had been ready for a flat-top air to wait and watch until they were, the spaceships came after them.

So that's what they did, and the spaceships did come after them. And that is what is meant when you read in your Bible about the watchers. Nobody seems to know much about them, and I certainly didn't know much about them before. But that's where that word originated. Now these people were taken to the planet Venus, extended time, I don't know how long.

But as they reincarnated, they reincarnated back here on this planet, after the flood, and have been reincarnating here since. Another thing he told me about the history of this ship was that it was this identical ship

that stood over the land of Egypt, which we read about in our Bible, at the time of the deliverance of the children of Israel from their bondage in Egypt. And it was described, as a pillar of fire by night, and a cloud by day.

The children of Israel, with their struggling families, their wives, and their children, and their cattle, and their horses, and other things that they moved along, could have possibly kept ahead of a well-equipped army, which was known as Pharaoh's army, which was mounted in chariots and on horseback. Many commentators said that this was not possible, that they couldn't have kept away.

But the way they kept away, this ship is equipped with a gravity neutralizing ray that they can cast out just like a light when this ray was thrown down on the earth between the struggling Israelites and Pharaoh's army Pharaoh's army couldn't penetrate it because in the first place it's just like a wall I've tried it myself you don't have a material feeling but you try to push your hand through it and you can't do it and you try to walk through it and you just can't do it you don't know why but you can't do it anyway that's what protected the children of Israel from Pharaoh's army the Red Sea threw its gravity neutralizing ray on the waters of the Red Sea and the waters rose up in a mist and the walls of water was held back one of your Bible murphies this ship did that and they've got the equipment to do it because I saw it I didn't see this particular accident understand but I saw their equipment this ship hovered constantly

over the children of Israel during their sojourn in the desert 40 years why their shoes didn't wear out that's why they always had plenty to eat these people cried for meat and the record says God sent them a bunch of toys what this ship did was just throw this ray out this force and round up a bunch of toys of quails birds and just drive them right into the camp of the Israelites and they had meat to eat this ship was present at the tumbling down or the falling down of the walls of Jericho this ray was cast upon those walls and the walls were rendered weightless in other words our gravity is caused of course by a magnetic attraction of the earth and this ray just counteracts that so an object is a magnet and an object is a magnet it's just rendered weightless and you can just take your finger and push around a stone as big as this house there has been many mysteries in regard to the buildings of the pyramids many blocks of stone

have been found in that pyramid three or four hundred feet high weighing thirty-five and forty tons and the mystery has been how those ancient people ever got them up there this ship stood over the building of the pyramid and elevated those stones and placed them in position and one man could just stand there and place them right up where he wanted them just like they would be hanging on a chain or a hook that's the way the pyramid was built the pyramid that was built had the same way down in Central America among the Indians these stones up there that they had a master or a boss who would just whistle and explain to me the master of the ship the foreman and the supervisor of the ship the superintendents that was conducting this operation when they got a stone shaped and ready to place in position they'd whistle and this ray was sent down so the stone now these things is what he told me I believe them every word of it you don't have to

but that's the story he told me about the history of the ship of course it'd take a long time to go through with all of it though that might give you some idea of the ship that I was aboard as he went on through and he talked I spent I guess a couple of hours in his office now he was the master of the ship and he was what we know as a master or an adept at this time was the flagship of the entire fleet that was operating around our earth he didn't say it went out any further he was concerned with our earth no more and he said and he was the master of that ship all these other spacecraft scout craft and so forth and there is many different varieties of them classes are under the command of that ship and that ship gets its commands or its orders from the planet Venus now this was two years ago this arrangement may be changed now I don't know but I doubt if it's been changed very much I have an idea that there is more ships in operation now

and I don't know but I doubt if it's been changed they did have these little scout craft what we call flying saucers now they called those scout craft and sometimes I heard them refer to them this ship the mother ship only had three of those crafts and I went aboard her own with one of them in one of them but they sometimes referred to those as the wheel sometimes they would call it the tub but more often just like a sailor might refer to my old tub down there but the name of it is scout craft they have reconnaissance craft and photographing equipment and many other types one particular craft that we are interested in is what they described as a sweeper something like a mine sweeper at the end of our two world wars of course our seas and our oceans were well sprinkled with mines that was dangerous to ship so the different governments sent out what they called line sweepers to remove these mines and they called them sweepers well now these craft

same kind of work they ranged back and forth through our atmosphere removing and neutralizing atomic their job if they wasn't doing that we would be in a heck of a lot worse than that we would be in a heck of a lot worse than that shape than we are already they are very busy they do they have instruments aboard they are all small crafts just little crafts I think about 50-60 feet long they have instruments that they can detect this conglomerate mass of atomic fallout before when it's above the atmosphere and they can neutralize it but when it is gathered together and it begins to condense it begins to form a little more weight so it will come down and begin to settle in our atmosphere then it takes on a glow and the deeper it comes into our atmosphere the greater the glow that's your fireballs and it is atomic fallout now these sweepers their whole duty is to overtake these things and destroy them or neutralize them before they reach the earth

because if one of those fireballs should contact this building it would probably blow the building up and if it didn't it would dissipate enough atomic fallout that many people would be poisoned in your Kansas City that's what those people are doing they are our friends and we don't know it sometimes now I believe and I'm a believer I may be wrong on this but I believe that all of these fireballs has the same origin I may be wrong on that but that's as far as I know that's what they told me now after he had talked with me at some length say I think a couple of hours he informed me that I was to be taken through the ship on a kind of a tour in as far as time would permit he told me that the main thing that the main purpose of my having been taken aboard the ship was that there would be a lecture given by he himself and this lecture would consume around three hours time and that was the main purpose for which I had been taken aboard the ship

also that I was to be a guest at a dinner I should see the ship part of it at least in as far as time would permit and the lady his wife would ask me would escort me through the ship well that seemed to signify that the interview was ended and the lady got up and I followed her outside but to the stern of the ship we went to this lounge room first that I had told you about and I guess there was fifteen or twenty couples in there and let me make a point here on this particular ship there was always a man and a woman together and they did inform me that a man and a woman was not separated for duty except in cases where it was absolutely necessary and as soon as that mission was accomplished they were brought back together so that's just the way I saw it they were there so these couples were in some way playing games and they had some they had a role affair that I think it was a book they were reading and they were just sitting there talking

they were just they were talking in a tongue that I couldn't understand and when we went in Ian smiled and the lady introduced told me told them my name they didn't any of them get up they didn't bow and scrape or shake hands they just looked very pleasantly and naughty just one peculiar thing there was no pictures on this wall I noticed that but there was adorning around the wall at intervals I imagine about every eight or ten minutes and feet there was vases or vessels in which was live flowers growing and the most gorgeous things you ever saw but there was no pictures so I looked around in there and the lady talked a little while and she explained to me that this was a lounging room where the people came just to pass their time away and then she added or just loaf and that's what we do I want to make this point that these people were not in any degree spooks or goblins or witches they were men and women just like you and I physical men and women

so we passed out of this room then and we went around the corner and down a hall to the very stern of the ship the last door I could see it in the end of the hall so we went down there and that door opened automatically inside I saw two tubes I said I think they would be about five feet in diameter and about 50 feet long. She explained to me that this was the driving units of the ship. In front of these tubes, there was a construction of a material that was so dense

that atoms themselves could not pass through. In other words, it was solid matter. It was not porous. And behind that, on the other side of that, was an absolute vacuum.

So as the atom field, out in the stern of the ship or out in space, pressed against these diaphragms, then the electric impulses that fed, the wires were there, I could see the wires come in there. As these electric impulses fed into these diaphragms, it caused the diaphragm to vibrate backwards and exert force. And the thrust against the atom field. And that was what drove the ship. That was the power by which the ship was driven. I might add here, 18,000 miles.

During the time that I looked at the globe three times,

she had explained these. She didn't go into the details. I wasn't much interested in just how these things were done. It was interesting, all right, but I'm not much of a mechanic anyway. But she did explain these things to me. We came out of there and we went, then we went into a laundry room. And she showed, I saw their laundry equipment. They have machines there just like we do. They were all automatic machines. And there was a man and a woman on duty in there. Their job was simply to watch and observe the machinery as it was running and make any adjustments necessary. We went from there into the galley or kitchen. And there I was. I saw a meal being prepared to be a guest at this dinner. And they have cooking utensils in there. They had all kinds of electrical devices. I don't know what they were. And I probably wouldn't know if I was to go in your kitchen. I probably wouldn't know any more about it because I'm not a cook.

But they did have, they had stoves. There was two water taps over the sink, just like your own is. Hot and cold water. They had what looked to me like toasters and deep fryer. Or some kind of cooking affairs anyhow. Me a while in there. And there was a man and woman on duty in there. They smiled and acknowledged my introduction. But they went right on about their work, just as if I didn't amount to anything. And I don't think, I must not have. But anyway, the reason I'm saying this is that they were courteous. All of them were courteous and pleasant. Yet they did not seem at any time to be, to be bound by the formalities that we have. That's the point I want to make. They just didn't have that. So we went from there. The next point, the engine room.

There was two engine rooms, one on each side of this hall. We would go in one of them and we would go in the other one if I wanted to. Although she assured me that they were both just exactly alike. So I, uh, it wouldn't be any use. It wouldn't be any use going in the other one as much as I didn't have too much time, anyhow. Well, this engine room was a rather large room. Lines of machinery in it. Panel boards and switches and clocks and gauges and other affairs. Again, a man and woman on duty. They were sitting on the stool when we went in there. They wasn't doing anything. And, but the center, in the center of this, there was a large motor, much as you'd see in your own powerhouses. Here, I could see anything. An amateur. Just like you'd see in your motor here. Well, I paid particular attention to that. It looked to me like this amateur was standing still. I didn't think it was moving. But she assured me that it was moving and that it was operating then at several hundred thousand RPM.

And she invited me to lay my hand on this motor. I couldn't hear any sound. There was absolutely no sound coming from it. But I laid, placed my hand on it. And I could feel it. I could feel a little vibration. Just a tiny bit of vibration. There was one thing that was very unusual about this particular motor. The shaft upon which the motor was wound was composed of a material that she told me was the hardest material, the most dense material known in the universe. And this shaft was about four inches in diameter. It rested in a bearing. On each side of this large motor was a large dynamo. These bearings were so perfectly fitted in the material from which they and this shaft are composed

that it never required lubrication. It had run years and years and years without any lubrication. There was no friction there. I was talking to somebody here a while ago about friction. Well, there was no friction there. At each end of this shaft, the outside of the bearing, there was a box. And in this, there was a substance. It looked more like a black sand. It was kind of a silky looking. But it was black or kind of dark. And I was informed that was the opposite or the negative element of gold. On top of it, there was a solid gold fitted in there and set right over the point of this shaft.

I was informed that this motor drew its power, its fuel, if you please. From the radiation of this gold and its negative opposite, which was on the bottom. And that as this, with this fuel, eventually the gold would turn to lead.

And then they'd have to refuel with pure gold. It didn't tell me how long it would take for it to turn to lead. But she did say that it would eventually turn to lead. Well, then, of course, the energy itself came from the sun. But through some arrangement or other, it was derived through the radiation of the gold and the sun acting together.

She didn't explain that. I wouldn't have understood it if she had. She did show me a machine that was, that created this gravity neutralizing force.

It's set over in a corner. And it was not a large machine at all. It might, I guess it was about as big as that piano. And that is what creates, the machine itself is driven from the power that is generated by this large motor.

But then it generates the gravity control. And these forces can be thrown out ahead of the ship or around the ship. Just, and they are used when the ship is in motion. These forces array goes ahead of the ship. And when it contacts a body like a small planet, it just simply shoves it out of the way. Just like an ice breaker pushes a heavy piece of ice out of the way. It just opens up a path for it. When it contacts a planetoid which is too heavy for the weight of the ship, for the force of the ship, and it can't move the planetoid itself, it just automatically ducks under or over or around as the case. So it automatically pilots itself. And right on through. Planetoids that are found in space. Of course this array can be directed different directions anywhere. We went from there into the ship's laboratory, our hospital.

I wish I could tell you all the things that I saw in there. But I can't. But I am going to tell you one thing. With my physical eye. And not without help, understand. We went in there. And the lady handed me. The lady handed me a little box affair about that size. It looked more like a lady's powder box than anything I know of. And she told me to look inside. I did. And I couldn't see anything. It looked to me like it was empty. Then she picked up an instrument, glasses, and placed them on my eyes. She said, now look. And I saw something that time. I saw an atom. And I saw as it worked and how it operated. In the direct center of this there was a stone. Well, I couldn't describe it. It was just the most beautiful thing you ever saw. And it was a live stone. You could see it. It was oscillating just like it might be breathing. Just oscillating in and out. And around that stone was another one swinging around in an orbit.

Not in a perfect circle. But on an eccentric motion. And as it would start around and this center stone would oscillate, it created a magnetic attraction and repulsion force. And as the stone that was swinging around would come under the influence of this magnetic attraction force, it would pull it in and out. And that was what caused it to circle with an eccentric motion. And there is where life began. These stones are live stones. They were very small. I imagine you could put a million of them on a pen point as to that matter. But through these instruments I could see them. And I saw them operate. And I heard it explained to me. Well, as I looked at it, the wonder of the thing fascinated me. Or maybe it was the influence that might have been coming out from it. But I stood there and I gazed. I don't know how long. Until she touched my arm. She said, we better be moving. And she took the glasses off of me. And I was so weak I couldn't hardly stand up.

My knees knocked under me. And she had to take me by the arm to lead me out of there. Now that might have been just a reaction of watching that thing, you know. And seeing something that I never saw before. Or it could have been the influence. The influence of the thing itself. It was affecting three other places.

We went into the dining room. And it was a large room. I'd say about half the size of this. There was two large tables that had been pinned in. We went in first and sat down. And as we sat there and talked, couples began coming in and taking their places.

A waiter was a waiter. A man and a woman. And a woman began bringing food in and sitting on the table. They set out glasses. And they poured in each glass a glass of wine. A tumbler of wine. And then they set the bottles on the tables. After we'd sat in there for a little while. And I think nearly all of the seats were filled. The captain or the master. And he sat down on the opposite side of his wife. I was sitting on one side of her. And my guide's wife was sitting on the other side of me. And he was sitting on the outside. He'd come in and sit down. And everybody started eating. There was no offering of thanks. No formality at all. When the captain sat down, everybody started eating. Now they didn't jump at it like a bunch of buttons like we would if we starved. But they just started eating and started talking. And they talked. And they asked me a lot of questions concerning life upon this earth. Now I couldn't understand it.

But the captain and his wife and my guide and his wife could talk English. And they interpreted the questions that was asked me. And my answers. Now all of these people could understand my thoughts to some extent. But they could not all. Many of the questions that they'd ask me when I'd understand what they were asking me. Often they seemed to know my answer before even the captain could have time to interpret it.

But he had to help right along. Of course he had to help me with all these things. Well, we sat there and ate and we drank and we visited and talked. They asked questions and I asked questions. Well, no, I suppose 40 minutes, not longer than that. And as the meal was finished, the couples began to get up and leave. The captain, when he finished, he got up and left. And they left us three sitting there. We sat there and talked a little while and then we went to the lecture hall. The hall was about the size of the dining room. On one side of the wall there was a screen just as if you'd see a motion picture screen. Directly in front of this screen was a little table about the size of one of those. And on that was just a little pointer about that long. Nothing elaborate about it. We sit down right in front of this little table. Many of the other couples come in and sit in seats behind us. Pretty soon the captain walked in.

And as he did in the dining room, he just walked up the table and went to work. There was no formality about it. He just walked up, picked up the little pointer, and immediately a light came on the screen. As many figures and other strangers, as they would appear on the screen,

he'd point them out to me and explain them as the meaning of them. Symbols like triangles and then one little symbol that I have myself. You'll find it on one of my little books. First time I ever saw that was a picture on this screen. And many other things that he pointed out to me. And it was easy for me to understand them. At that time it would be pretty hard for me to understand them now. But the man talked. He never repeated a single word. Every word he said meant just exactly that. And he just moved right along with it. And I think he could tell more in five minutes than our best speakers would probably be able to tell in much longer time. But he never had to repeat anything he said. He just moved right along with everything. Well, the first thing, he had already told me that this lecture, this lecture would continue for about three hours. The first part of this lecture had to do with the creation of this earth

and its evolvement or its development right up to our present time. I suppose that part of the lecture consumed for about an hour. Then the second part of the lecture dealt with life on other planets, Mercury only. I don't claim to have gone to any other planet. I saw these. There were pictures on the screen, just like I'd see if I go down here to one of your picture shows. I saw the social condition and life as people lived it on the planet Mercury. And I was told the very condition would obtain on our earth sometime. And I'm looking forward to it because of this. Because it is an ideal way to live. I think he spent maybe not quite an hour on that. I saw their churches. I saw especially one picnic. I saw their cities and their towns. They don't encourage large cities. They rather lean towards smaller communities and smaller congregations. And now I didn't see a single road anywhere on that planet. I don't say they didn't have any,

but all I saw was just looked like what the footpaths that wound around up through the mountains and over the pastures. Their cities, there were just more little communities. They had farms. They had animals. And they had rivers and streams. And these little footpaths that run around. If they had any more roads, I didn't see them. But anyway, we spent, I think, about 40, 45 minutes there, describing to me, showing me the life, the social life and the religious life and the political life as it was lived on this particular planet. I was also informed that was a universal law that was lived throughout the universe in other places on a higher plane, and we were simply living on a lower plane. Now, these people, whom we call space people, I prefer to call them watchers, but it doesn't make any difference what we call them. These people are not all masters. The master of the ship was a master, but the other members of the crew were not.

They were just a higher evolved people than we are. They had, well, they were just more intelligent. But the people, the members of this crew, ranged in age from 350 to 1,000 years old. What's a master? Well, a master has eternal life, but these people do not have eternal life. It is their goal that they hope to reach some time, but they haven't reached it yet. Only the masters. These people did not look like old men and women at all. They would remind you more of middle-aged men and women. I'd say our average man and woman, ranging from 35 to 45 years old. Some of them seemed to be a little younger, and maybe some of them were a little older. Well, the third part of that lecture was a much more complicated thing. And as I have said before, now there is no information that is forbidden to you or me or anybody else. You are welcome to all the information that there is in the universe. You can't obtain that until you have gotten yourself

in a state where you can receive it and understand it. So, the information that I got at the third part of the lecture, if it had been up to me to understand it in my own intelligence, I couldn't have understood it either. But I had some help. And I can't remember those things. I don't remember them yet. But when I start talking on them, they come right back to me, just seem to flash right back into my mind. But there was some of that, much of it, that I do not tell publicly. Many doctors and lawyers and professors and other people that I have talked with privately about these things, we had some of that discussion last evening. But I don't think, in fact, I was told not to talk publicly because it's too easy to get a misunderstanding, a misconception of those things. I don't mind telling you that it had to do with marriage and childbirth and other questions of that nature. And it is so radically different, so unorthodox,

so different to anything we know, that it's just, you just can't talk about those things publicly. They are not forbidden. And we all ought to know them. As a matter of fact, if we did, there would be no such thing as divorce and separation. The reason we have divorce and separation is because we have lost the truth of true marriage and, I'll say, of true sexual relations. I have been informed that one time one of our friends was asked if there was sex on these different planets. I am told that he, he answered that when we got there we wouldn't have to learn any new tricks. With him we won't have to learn any new tricks. But I'll tell you one thing we will have to do. We'll have to unlearn some tricks we already know about sex, that we already practice. So that's about as far as I'd care to go into those things. But sex, the whole universe is created and is maintained through the forces of sex. On those planets, children are taught that

from the very time that they are big enough to work. It's taught in their schools. They understand it. They understand the full conception of it. That's why they don't have divorces. But we hide those things. We make out like we're ashamed of them. And that's all wrong. Absolutely all wrong. Our preachers won't tell us. So how are we going to learn it? We'll learn it. They'll come here and teach it to us sometime. But we'll have to wait a little while. I hope not too long. As I said before, I wasn't too much interested in the mechanical operation of this ship. All my life, when I was a youngster, from the time I was three years old, I have been maybe religiously inclined. But I never could find anything that satisfied me. I'd go at night here, preachers preach, and they'd preach one man to hell, the next denomination to go into heaven, and crazy things like that. So I never would join any of them. I just couldn't find anything that satisfied me.

It didn't answer my questions. But I don't have that trouble anymore. All of my questions was answered. And I have no fear of the future. I will say this, that ahead of us, possibly in the immediate future, very immediate too, there's a lot of trouble for us. We're going to have to experience some trouble. I have been asked if it is possible that this planet, the human race, or the species of mankind, is likely to be utterly destroyed. My answer to you is definitely not. That won't ever happen. You can be sure of that. But we are going through a period of tribulation. Now briefly, that's the story I come to tell you. And as I said before, question and answer period. Right with the chairman. Are you ready for that question?

Eagle Pass, Texas then. That's a little town right on the Mexican border, if you folks maybe are not acquainted with the location. In fact, it's right up on the bank of the river, the Rio Grande River. The Rio Grande River is the borderline between the United States and Mexico, the international border. On the other side of the river is the Mexican town of Piedras Negras. I was living at this place. My mother lived about 200 miles in the interior back in Texas. This was 1955. So along in the summer, I don't remember the exact date, but along in the summer of 1955, on a trip to visit my mother. Bill. I'm taking your first experience.

I started on a trip to visit my mother about halfway or possibly about 100 miles out from Eagle Pass. I had to cross the new AC. This river bottom in a, well, rather remote section. And if you know Texas, you know there is some remote spot. It was sometime after midnight. I wouldn't say what time it was. But anyway, as I was driving along the road, it's rather a mountainous road, but I had gotten down in the valley, or what would I call it? The river bottom. Suddenly felt a sensation that something like my legs and arms were going to sleep. Tingling. Oh, I didn't know what was the matter with me. So I pulled out to the side of the road. I thought I'd better stop. So I did. I stopped. Just as I stopped, an object came up from the left-hand side of the road behind me, and on the other side of the road from where I'd pulled out on the right. Well, it pulled just ahead of me, and it was an object, possibly 62 feet.

My car opened my car door, and I got out. I thought, Oh, I can't say I was scared. I was curious. I started to cross the road. The stern of this ship was just about even with the front end of my car. It started in that direction. It started just across the road. They were on one side of the road, and I was on the other. A door opened in the stern. It didn't open in the side. It opened in the stern of this ship.

A mask. Much to the apparent hint, it was just over her face,

my exact words, and hers. But very pleasant,

you know, and appealing in every way. I don't remember just what she did say next, but anyway, there was a... I had been contacted

and taken in the near future. She asked her question. I said, Why is it that you can see that there is men aboard?

I could see through the front of this was glassed in, and I could see that there at least was one man aboard this. I just happened to be curious why when I knew there was a man there. So I asked her, and she answered that she was the only one aboard who could speak my language. She didn't say she was the only one who could speak English. She said my language, for that matter,

except I did believe the story,

the message she told me, that I ate some Pasadena calabash.

A good Bible study, she said,

but nevertheless, I always enjoyed listening at him. He came on at 8.30, and he had a half-hour program. So I'd gotten a habit of, nearly every night, I'd listen to his program. He had just gone off the air, thinking about the things that he had said. His subject happened to be the Ten Lost Tribes. I was thinking of what he had said about it, and considering it, and there was a knock on my back door. I always did. I got up and went to the screen door, and I looked outside, and there was a man and woman standing outside. I thought to myself, what's going on? They were very pleasant, like that. He said,

you are Mr. Martin. They were bright.

[01:20:00] Development of Dan Martin's themes

The sensation when I walked into his presence, which I had not, and he said,

being ready to go, a little bit mad too.

He knew it. I was a little bit mad, just kind of felt like they were poking fun at me, you see. But evidently, he could read my mind, which I learned right there that he could, because he immediately began explaining that they were not making fun of me. And he explained that he understood, and he complimented me, but he told me I would understand before my word knew

that I was to, I would not be embarrassed.

And I believed him. You know, I just believed everything he said. I took him at his word. And I didn't seem to be nervous, not as nervous as I am now. I just wasn't nervous. I just wasn't nervous then. And he began to talk. He didn't tell me that there was a ship.

He didn't tell me that this ship ever had landed on me

from closing in.

It was left open up ahead of them,

but closed in behind them, away from this to the left,

and we went in there. And this turned out to be a kind of a sideboard where silverware and dishes were handed back to me.

There were some there that I had seen before,

but there were some there that I didn't see. They were all fresh and fine looking, as fine as possible. And they were just as fresh looking as if they had just been... He did not eat apples.

...into animals. She didn't say that apples were poison. She just said they didn't...

I've been taught to believe that apples was good for you. No saying, you know, an apple a day keeps the doctor away. Well, this was in direct contradiction to what I'd learned, but that's what she said anyway. And there was a cabinet of a ferret that could be termed a refrigerator, I suppose. It had glass doors on it. I went over to that and opened it, and there was meat in there. Pretty bad shape.

[02:00:00] Second speaker on his experience

Another room where there was a long table and some chairs around it. I needed the rest, because I just about had all I could take. And he brought a decanter and two glasses, and he set them before us, and poured us a glass of this liquid, which was wine, of course, and I drank wine. I didn't have any questions,

because I couldn't think of anything to ask. As we sat there, one behind the other, after, well, I don't think

there was more than two or three couples had entered until this couple who had visited me. And they sit down on one side of me and sit on the other side and taking their places.

Glasses and bottles,

and the captain himself come in

and he sit down on the other side of the floor. The four of us then were sitting about the center of the table, and around the table there was men and women. I might mention this. Everywhere I looked and saw a man, there was a woman, and they were working in there. They explained to me why this was. But anyway, that's the way it was. After the captain came in, I think probably every chair was... I don't remember just who made the first move. It might have been me. But there was no formality about it. There was no thanksgiving or anything like that. We just went to eating. The first thing I knew, we were eating. And these glasses, everybody had a glass at the table, and the waiter, not the waitress, the man had filled the glasses around, and there were several bottles of this wine set on the table. And we did eat. Viva was just good, so...

And we just ate and talked, and everybody... I wasn't there. I wasn't even embarrassed then. I just felt all right. And they did talk back and forth, and they'd direct certain questions at me. The captain and his wife and the two who had brought me aboard, they all spoke English. But none of the others spoke any English. But when they'd direct a question at me, I could often understand what they were asking, interpret it, so I could understand what it was for him to...

Well, they asked me all kinds of questions about, just about like you would if you was... You might start in asking me some questions concerning Mexico. Maybe you've never been there. You might ask me about the customs, and practices of Mexico. That's the way they did me. They didn't tease me. They didn't joke back and forth. They did... I didn't catch the joke. But evidently there was that... that state of affairs between them, because they would laugh. You could tell that there was a kind of... between them. Turns about asking me why we fought.

They couldn't seem to understand why we would fight one another. See, they couldn't understand what war is. I couldn't understand it either, but I tried. I'd said, and actually I'm not surprised that anybody, not some type of thing,

did in our money system too. And they especially mentioned insurance. They couldn't seem to conceive of what insurance was in the first place and why it was necessary in the second place, the value of it. Practices and customs and ask questions. They ask about our religious, they mentioned that. They didn't seem to understand our worship, our religion, why we would go through certain gestures and certain formalities and call it worship. And they didn't seem to know what worship was. Well, and I don't either. But anyway, they'd ask questions along that nature. One particular question that I won't ever forget, I told that last night. One lady at the end of the table, there was a couple set at the end of the table, and this lady looked all up like you. She really did. And she asked me, you needn't be winking, I don't know if this is fabulous, but it really is. You remind me of the features of this lady. And she asked me a question

concerning child, man and wife. She said, well, do earth men really treat their wives like beasts? That is, they use them for having babies. And she said, well, do they really treat their wives like beasts? That is, they use them for having babies. And she said, well, do they really treat their wives like beasts? That is, they use them for having babies. And she said,

well, do they really treat their wives

like beasts? I suddenly realized that was true. I decided to change him as he defaulted to was and why I and he seemed to satisfy him pretty well, and I had to be satisfied of course. And one thing he explained that we were going through a stage now that endured much the same state of life as we were now living here, you see. And he seemed to satisfy them pretty well along that line. And the same general cordial response to one was very pleasant.

If I could then just get up and walk out. They didn't say excuse me or anything but I just could have went out. After two or three couples had left, the captain himself got up and left to see you two, which he did. And finally, all but myself, the captain's wife, and my two guides were let there. We sat there and talked a little while and then we got up, all four of us, and went in this first room. In there, there was a black, I say blackboard, I mean a large screen like a blackboard, a little table just about the size of this,

about that height. We sat right in front of this little table and in front of the screen. The chairs were arranged around the back and there was some 30, maybe 50 chairs, I don't know how many was back. They'd come in and they'd take these chairs and I suppose I think maybe every chair was probably occupied. At about that time the captain came in and he just walked right square through this little table and he didn't stand and look around, straighten his tie, no preliminaries

about her talk. Just as he turned towards this screen, the screen lit up and immediately the captain came in and said, well, I'm going to show you some figures and pictures that begin to appear on this screen, symbols and what not. And Geometrical Lines was there. Well, he'd take this pointer and he'd point to different objects and explain them and I sat there listening and fascinated and many symbols was explained and certain angular lines and if there are junctions where they cross he did explain some of the principles of the system and the rules of the principles there. And he just

briefly explained their meaning. He didn't go into detail with them but he did explain some of the some of the meanings and on this that little book of mine there there is a there is a symbol on the outside there quite fully

that particular symbol. There is a whole lot there to explain to. It would take quite a time to go over that. Well, then I suppose he after I don't know how how much time was consumed in that. Anyway when this this symbol and the lines geometrical lines one thing another which he had explained was discontinued then a a picture appeared on the screen. The first thing there was a a brilliant light spot me and explained that it was the sun. Well, you could see it wasn't flames just shooting up but you could see there was an oscillation there a flame more or less. There was seemed to burst forth from this light facing the object

and it trailed out away from the sun which he had told after it left this this sun it turned black say a jet black but a dark and it just sailed off through space. The screen of course it was going in that direction and it just flew forward. I didn't see anything that it struck but evidently it did because it brought up against some force as if it was a wall and it curled back. The front of it just simply curled back towards back in forming which had been

given off by the sun gas liquefied

process of time mass continued

its travel around the sun into cool into shell was still a molten mass

you see continued this was the creation the process of the creation the formation of the earth.

It was away from the sun had cooled down

until then there was no water but it cooled down enough that the water that was in the ferments above it condensed and began to form water. The plant life animal life was marine life fish the next was fowl life as the conditions developed consistent with that particular form of life after the fowls the condition had so developed that there was a that at the exact north pole which was at that time was farthest away from the sun and the cooling had become more effective there was a tropical condition just like we might see

in our at the equator in the expression man meant the species of mankind and we sometimes refer

as man

he said that he was one whole after they were separated first they were all one whole they were not in two parts but when they were separated they were simply two parts of one hole well he went into this quite it took quite a long time you know and for me to grasp it I'm kind of given an outline of what I saw there here this

He devoted about an hour to that particular subject, the creation and formation and progress of the earth. Then the next section, by a picture of the planet Mercury. The whole subject was the planet Mercury, the social condition, and living conditions on the planet Mercury. And there was definite pictures there, just like you look at a television. You see how they traveled.

You can see roads. You can see animals, pastures, just as you should see them.

And, of course, he called my attention to many of them and explained them as he went along. Many of the customs, which were all of them, were radically different from our own. There was no wires running into homes, yet they did have a side of home.

My attention to was something like a light meter. To register the amount of current like we have, it was just a little plant of its own.

The family that I saw was two or three children. Those didn't have any children. Children were modest. They were as big as they are in Mexico. There were no large cities, and he definitely called my attention to the fact that they did not approve of large cities. The planet was covered by small, small towns, more communities than anything else. Another thing he mentioned about their monetary profit is

they don't is because they don't need a profit.

In other words, this would require $5,000.

Regardless of what kind of a job, he was doing, he'd get $5,000. On the other hand, maybe just a man and his wife wouldn't need that much. Well, he'd get just what he needed. Now, money was simply a form of script, and it was issued every year. Instead of having banks like we have, they had a place where once a year, they would go and simply draw what they needed.

It would just be issued to them. If they didn't get enough, they could go buy, go at any time during the year, and get some more. If they got too much, there was no occasion for hoarding it or keeping it, because there was a new issue every year, and the old issue was obsolete and worthless. It had no value.

Well, that's the end now. That's as it was explained to me. And another thing I might mention, which is radically different from us, which is radically different from us, there were everything with differences for that matter, but this especially. A position of responsibility was never solicited. If a man wanted a job as a judge, he better not let it be known, because if he let it be known, he didn't get it. In itself, a disqualification, the fact that a person aspired to a job whereby they would have to pass judgment on somebody else, by draft, you might say.

In other words, carried that responsibility about it, nobody wanted it. Military service with us during war, but we draft them and make them go and fight and die. Well, they draft them over there, they just say, you're it this time, for a period of time, to assume this responsibility, see? And when they're drafted, they go and serve, as a duty, just like a soldier goes and serves in the army. And there is a few officers, not many, but there is a few officers. But he was drafted, too. He didn't go and apply for a job, being a policeman, just to get to wear a big hat and a total pistol. He just didn't do it. He's drafted, too. He's assigned. And much as a jury service here, now, if a man was assigned to a job, he didn't, well, he was supposed to go and accept that job without any comment. But if there was any reason why he felt that he ought not accept the job, he'd offer his excuse, just like you can when you're selected for a jury here.

If they considered that your excuse for not serving in that job was sufficient, then you'd be excused for it for that time. If he didn't consider it, he'd just do your job. Well, they get up and go and do their jobs.

And no mental instability.

Every community, a kind of a center, would be readily, not constantly,

but they'd go there to study and not the worst.

He was a lawyer. He was the authority in that particular community. It didn't make any difference what was wrong with you, whether you were sick or broke or mad or disgusted or whatever it was. You took your trouble to him. Now, he was completely impartial, you see, because there was nothing there that he wanted. He had everything. You could not bribe him because you didn't have anything to offer him. See, I'm absolutely unpraised. That's the social condition that exists on Mercury today,

[02:35:00] Questions and closing discussion

and that is our goal, getting in that direction, and we will eventually reach it. Mostly walking. But they did have, I didn't see any, but they did have very few roads. They didn't use roads because, in traveling a distance, where a road would have been used, would have been used. It would just rise up and go on over there. It didn't need a road. But I didn't see any spaceships. I could well believe it because I was a board member at that time. But they did have beasts of burden, and they had little trails that would go over the hill. Many people walked. They didn't go distances. I could see them walking around. But I imagine, he said there was not nearly so much travel there. He says people are not just going back and forth and rushing to one place and then getting there and rushing back. In other words, they just kind of took their time, and there was no reason. In other words, if you lived in one of these little communities,

there was very few reasons why you would vote to visit another one, see? Because after all, you had everything you needed right there at home. Although they did visit back and forth and maybe travel some, which at times might be necessary, but they didn't. But they'd usually travel in spaceships, and there wasn't no roads. I don't... But I did see trails where you could see that both animal and man distances because they didn't have any long distances to walk. But there was parks and trees right here in your own city. There was one thing. There was nothing crowded. There was always plenty of room. Everything seemed to be open. To me as a condition, now current, on the planet Mercury. The planet Mercury is within... The central authority is a subdivision,

as are we and the other planets. You might say, well, the center of our authority, the central authority, our government, is in Washington, the United States government. But the subdivisions being the states, divisions of one central government,

namely the United States.

The illustration of our planet has its own states. I mean, it has its own laws, it has its own authorities, but they all come within the authority of the central government, just as our own states known down through the... even to the counties and the precincts and communities. They had free agency, yet it was within the framework. The constitution, we might say,

that we have now might be termed a constitution.

The constitution that is current on this planet or any other of this system had to be within the framework of that constitution, which are the Ten Commandments. That is in force. The principles of the Ten Commandments is in force. All the things that contain all other laws,

the marriage,

recreation, and work. They believe in work, but they don't believe in killing themselves, and that I fully agree with. They don't believe, understand, in overworking yourself. He made the statement that we did ourselves as much damage by overworking as we would by underworking. That's right.

There is no marriage ceremonies.

Marriage ceremonies,

the civil ceremonies, and the formalities through which we go in marriage is without authority. If any preacher, any priest, any lawyer, any judge, or any other, even the civil government authority has authority to perform a marriage ceremony, a true marriage, it is just as well. And it's worse than that. It's a racket. Do they have a separation? They chose the right one in the beginning. Yeah. And they have a way of choosing the right one. You can be sure of that. And how is that being asked? Well, you might ask, but I... Everybody gets to that point on the... Well, I'll assure you that I have the answer, and under proper circumstances, I'd be glad to give it to you. Imagine that. They gave me that marriage ceremony. They gave me that marriage ceremony. They gave me that marriage ceremony.

They gave me that to understand. And childbirth is just as different as it can be, but I would not go into that at this time either. It's sad. Do you have to wait till a later date? No. I could go into it now if the condition was... There's no time limit set. Now, I... In the third part of the lecture... Now, this is the second part we're talking about, understand? But in the third part of the lecture, I wouldn't publish that. That is, I wouldn't write or otherwise publish any part I was typically instructed not to. But this particular question that we are dealing with is not... You must not get the idea that it is forbidden, but it is so unconventional, so different to anything that is known that it simply is not, would not, properly be just spoke for the very same reason that Jesus himself, when he was on this earth, he spoke to the multitudes in one language and to the disciples or the select few in another. For the simple reason which he said,

they cannot bear it. And the general public simply cannot bear the radical departures that they would hear. They couldn't understand it in the first place. If I were to write in my own... I'll say this. If I were to write these things, the marriage relations, as I heard them and as I would be capable of explaining them, which would be limited, there's not a newsstand in your city that would be permitted to sell it. And not because it's vulgar either. There's nothing vulgar about it. But it would simply be... Too wide a departure from our... Too wide a departure. And the preachers, they would just simply... They might have to tell the truth and that would just be too bad for them. Do they have community care for children? Yes. They do have community. They don't necessarily remain except a couple can have the children in their home if they want to. They have permission. They must be born by permission. There's no haphazard business or just accidentally

having a flock of kids. Well, it comes through of that particular community. But it originates at a much higher level, you see. Just as our ceremony says, implies that God joins, et cetera, et cetera, they actually try to tune in to what God is. They don't try. They don't. Say this. Love and thought, apparent love, actually love one another just as much as they love their own, which is funny, don't you think?

Everybody loves everybody. Why, sure. But that personal love must be between the man and the woman. Well, that's right. That's right. Well, it must be between the man and the woman. It is. Between, I said between the parents and the children. There is. Yeah.

And this is, there's a few people that can accept and understand it and accept it. But there are few.

There's a general love. Well, between man and, always be the one being,

even though they were in a different constellation.

Turn to infinity, they'll go back together. Well, would you say Mercury was infinity? I'm coming out from Mercury. I thought that was true in these, in the planets and the system. The same principle is true. Yes. But what I mean by infinity, the beginning.

But there is a place where there is, there is a mass matter. It is mass while it's in there.

But when it comes out, comes together, or of course it has no depth. We might say

it's an essence. But that's when it comes out with infinity. And that's when it comes out with infinity. Spiritual form or pattern assumes depth and length and breadth and finally develops into a physical, a material. It is spiritual first. The spirit materializes and then the material comes together and they become one. It's that eternal law of the male and the female between the original male and female. Now, I've been asked by divorces, maybe I'd better touch on that. A divorce is a marriage between a married woman and a virgin because it's a matter of the future. It's not about the future. It's about how the future can be

built. And I had a conversation with one of my aunts who sees the whole world in different ways. And he says that's all it's the best life but it is the all-supreme power of the President.

What's the difference whether he's on X or a cross? I mean, trying to interpret Yonder, he said, did they seem to know Michael?

Oh, very definitely. Where is he now? He is on the planet Venus. Yes, they did.

They didn't close his copy? No, they did. The master himself went into it, and since that time I have had contact through mental telepathy illustration.

There has been.