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Reinhold Schmidt North Pole

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Recording structure

• [00:00] Opening remarks and Gabriel Green's introduction
• [07:00] Convention setup and Planetary Study Group context
• [21:00] Reinhold Schmidt on 'My Trip to the North Pole'
• [55:00] Further details, interpretation, and discussion
• [01:30:00] New Inglewood Unit 15 forms
• [01:47:00] Audience questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and Gabriel Green's introduction

The following recording was made on Sunday afternoon between 2 and 5 p.m. at the Embassy Auditorium Convention Hall, Los Angeles, California. At the meeting of the Los Angeles Interplanetary Study Group, Gabriel Green, Chairman, and our speakers are Reinhold Schmidt speaking on My Trip to the North Pole and Gloria Lee speaking on Revelations from the Space People. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to another meeting of the Los Angeles Interplanetary Study Group.

Our last meeting was June 29th with Calvin Girvin speaking on Flying Saucers in Hawaii and Monk of Mars narrating a tape recording entitled Birth and Death of a Planet, which was received by Dick Miller and his group. New messages from our space brothers received by Dick and his group are played each Sunday evening at 10 p.m. on a new radio program called Galaxy, which is located at 1490 on your radio dial. While reception from this station is rather poor in some parts of the city, I'm sure that you won't want to miss it because there's a lot of valuable information on that program. Just as a point of information, how many of you actually did hear this program last Sunday night? Quite a few. How many of you tried and couldn't get the station? A few of you. The station is KBLA 1490 on your radio dial, 10 p.m.

The information is on the postcard notice that you received, if you received one. Does this speaker sound a little funny? If you received a postcard,

notice of this meeting, you are on our mailing list and will receive an announcement of our next meeting. And if you did not receive a postcard notice of this meeting, please give us your name, address, and phone number on the mailing list sheets which we will circulate to the audience. Lack of many UFO reports in the local newspapers since the big collapse of last November 4th to 7th seems to have left many people with the idea that very little in the world is possible. The way of UFO activity has occurred since that time. Although judging from the reports in Flying Saucer Research Group bulletins, which I receive from all over the world, there is a great deal of activity continually taking place, although only a very minute percentage of sightings and contacts are actually reported in the local newspapers. In the saucer movement itself, there is gradually developing a very definite possibility of a trend of thought towards action,

the process of actually taking or making some effort to do something to solve the many problems of our times. Efforts of escapists to evade the moral responsibility of action that comes with knowledge can only prolong and increase mankind's suffering and experiencing of destructive conditions. This planet is to be cleansed one way or the other, and it remains to be seen whether it is done relatively constructively or destructively, whether we choose to take the action and make the effort to instigate the procedures necessary to end destructive conditions in our lives, and therefore minimize natural catastrophe, or whether in ignoring or refusing to live by natural or God law, nature rebels, against present degenerative conditions of society, until such a time that a state of balance and glory is once again achieved through adherence to the law. And the flying saucer movement is gradually going forward. Quite a bit of work is taking place behind the scenes,

all of which may eventually lead to political action by the flying saucer groups of the world to initiate the actions and procedures to enable mankind to live in a more positive, and to abide by natural law, and thus usher in the coming new age wherein all good things prophesied will have their fulfillment. As man now expends more money, time, materials, and effort in his attempt to conquer outer space, he is finding that there is much yet to learn. At these meetings, we are all students attempting to learn through the experiences of others, more about a fascinating and vital, but, as yet little understood subject. It is the policy of our group to feature at our meetings the authors and personalities who are making the news in the flying saucer field in order that you might have the opportunity to hear and to meet these people in person and to evaluate for yourself to reject or accept, as your awareness enables you to,

the information they have to impart or disseminate to us. We are fortunate this afternoon in having two speakers for you, presenting different aspects or parts of the whole, which might be classed as the objective and the subjective sides of investigation and experience on this subject of flying saucers. Too many people, I feel, have made the mistake in the past of attempting to confine all truth into only one aspect of the subject, and considering all information not fit for the subject, and not fit for the subject, and not fit for the subject, and not fitting into this small segment or category to be invalid, whereas a better understanding might be obtained by broadening one's awareness to include or consider all aspects of a situation. So often in the past, what was held to be truth has proved in time to be false. Let us endeavor to keep our minds receptive to advanced thoughts so as to not isolate ourselves from greater truth

and knowledge.

[07:00] Convention setup and Planetary Study Group context

If we do this, our efforts to build a better world for everyone are sure to meet with a higher degree of success in a shorter period of time. Now today, after our speakers talk, written questions from the audience will be answered. And during the intermission, you may bring those up to the speaker stand. Our first speaker, Reinhold Smith, is a commentator, a 52-year-old green buyer who was naturally held up to ridicule in the newspapers during the last November 4th through 7th flat for having the courage and the integrity to continue to tell the truth about his contact with a flying saucer and the people in it, even when confined to a mental hospital for observation to test his sanity. I'm happy to say that he passed the test with flying colors and was given a certificate of success. He was given a certificate of success, a certificate of success, and a certificate of sanity to prove it. I don't know how true it is, but I heard it rumored

that whenever a skeptic questions his sanity, Reinhold produces his certificate and asks, where is yours? I don't have one of those certificates, but I am anxious to hear from a man that does have one. So speaking on my trip to the North Pole and the flying saucer, Reinhold Smith. Reinhold? Good afternoon, my dear friends.

I am really pleased again to be back here in California, and talking to so many people. You know, last December, I think I started on this tour, went up through Texas to the East Coast, up to New York, back through the center of the United States, and just recently I have come back from a trip up into Vancouver, Canada, and Victoria, come down the West Coast. So I have almost made the cycle. Now I'm back in California again, here in Los Angeles, where I spoke last summer, last spring, I think it was. I don't just remember the day. But since that time, there has been a lot of things, been taking place. In the first place, I am really pleased that I can say that the newspapers, the radios, TV, and also the public have really went for this 100%. I remember when I first started lecturing last December, we would have a mere handful, probably 10, 15, 20 people. Before we got started about two or three weeks later up toward Washington and New York,

we would get quite a bit more crowds, and radios and TVs would call ahead. Sometimes several states ahead wouldn't be sure, so we would be on there. I had an audience in New York for over 2,000. I had an audience in Washington, D.C., about 1,500. In fact, I had two audiences in Washington, D.C. I was there one week. I have told of my experience many times, but so many people haven't heard about it yet. And, of course, I'm always glad to tell it again. I know there's a lot of people in this audience have probably heard it a dozen times, and I see them here again tonight or this afternoon. I'm always glad to see these faces of good followers. As most of you probably know, last November, I was, or latter part of October, I was transferred from Arizona to Nebraska to buy grain. I was buying for two firms out of California at that time. And on November the 5th, 1957, I was stationed at Harney, Nebraska. And on a certain day, I really don't know

why I went out that day because it was a very misty and cloudy and damp day and all of you know that's not a very good day to buy grain or even harvest. But I did go out that day and was inspecting some fields of grain southeast of Harney, Nebraska, approximately six miles. About completion of this field of grain, I drove up toward a kind of river road that abandoned the farm home so I could turn around so I wouldn't have to turn around on the highway or swing back to town. Just before I got to this abandoned farm home, I noticed a flathead headed me about a quarter mile down on the river. I thought maybe there was blashing trees there so I thought I would go up there because it wasn't very busy. I would go up there and watch them. I got within 100 feet of this river bank and my car stopped. It was just a rough road. I thought maybe the wire would jiggle off and I switched the key on several different times, stepped on the starter

but it was completely dead. I got out of the car and walked toward the river bank when I got a little closer where I could see through the willows, the tall grass. It first appeared to me like a half-inflated balloon was sitting there. I thought maybe one of my balloons was sitting there because it crashed and maybe the people needed help so I was going to rush over there and help them. When I got a little closer, approximately 30 feet around behind the willows, I see it wasn't a balloon at all but a large silver ship sitting there on four hydraulic rams. Almost this very instant there was a stream of light shot out of the fore part of the ship. It hit me around the shoulders. I really don't know whether it skipped me stiff or whether it did paralyze me. Anyway, I couldn't move my arms or I couldn't walk. Almost this very instant there were two men who came out of this ship and they asked me whether I was whether I was armed. I told them I was not.

They pressed me although they didn't take anything away from me. I asked them, but this time I could move my arms and could walk again. I asked them where they was from or what kind of ship this was or what they were doing there. They said they couldn't tell me that at this time. I also asked them whether I could come a little closer to the ship and inspect it and see more about it. They said yes, as long as we can't leave for a few minutes anyway, you just welcome in and look around. From the outside the ship was a solid mass of steel. There was no rivets or seams of any kind. It looked to me like a large either polished steel or polished aluminum. Upon entering the ship it was entirely different. You could look up and see the sky. You could look down and see the grass and sand below us or you could look to either side and see the entire countryside. You couldn't look right through the ends and there was a bulkhead in there and you couldn't

look through that. There were four men and two ladies aboard this ship. Most of the people I remember this one man in Chicago when I was lecturing in there he said, I understand all these people come from out of space they have peaked heads and peaked ears. This is not true. These people looked exactly like any luts do and if they were setting this audience today you couldn't tell them from any luts unless you had seen them once before. In fact, one man as if it was approved to me later was sitting in a Fort Connie hotel where I was staying in County, Nebraska on November the 4th sitting there watching TV. This very same man I have seen about seven or eight different times since then. Also in a preview to me later on that he said he was in the Fort Connie hotel. They walked down our streets there's probably a crowd of people and they walked down our streets and like I said unless you had seen them once before you can't tell them from any of us. These men weighed

about 210 pounds they were about five foot six eight inches tall they were of a darker complexion I think although some of us get sunburnt we are darker too. These girls weighed about 120 pounds they were both brunettes very good looking and they were practically the same height. The men had business suits on or street clothes like any of us wear on the street. The ladies had at that time they had on white blouses dark skirts and medium heeled shoes. The only really thing I could see that they looked different to me is one girl's eyes were set a little farther apart but that really is no meaning that all the people from Saturn have white eyes. Some of our eyes are wider and some are closer together so it doesn't make any difference about that. But I was in this ship approximately 40 minutes and this one man that then most all are talking he told me he said I should look around in this ship inspect it make myself at home but not to touch anything. Most of you people

have picked up this little pamphlet I think when you come in I'll explain that ship a little bit and if you follow on your path you can watch it more closely. This ship where we had that 100 feet long 30 feet wide and 14 feet wide that 100 feet long 30 feet wide that was guessed by the imprints it had left the sheriff and I stepped off the imprints it had left in the sand there. I guessed it to be 14 feet high. This panel on one side of that ship or the main room where it was where we were in was approximately 60 feet long and it all one side of it was completely covered with panels of some kind. In the center of them panels you will notice that we have marked there a TV screen. I didn't know whether that was really a TV screen at that time or whether it was a radar screen but it turned out to be a TV screen. Also to the right of that TV screen you'll learn another square that is a radio and they can pick up our programs either on that TV screen

or also on the radio. Farther to the right you'll notice a large desk sitting there with two ladies back at this desk. This desk is approximately 12 feet long and the two ladies were to me it appeared that they were operating the ship. This entire desk was covered with some kind of gadgets of every kind. Either ammeters or switches or push buttons or things like that. There wasn't even room to write on this desk. Also in the center of that desk was a radar on a TV screen. Right to the right of the desk you will notice there's four columns of liquid. This liquid was red, green, blue and orange. This liquid would go up and down like the pigeons in your automobile not that fast of course. They're quite slow and these tubes are approximately four and a half feet high and four inches in diameter. I asked them at that time what this liquid had to do. They said well they couldn't tell me that at this time but the second contact I had several months later

this is their radar screen. That is a liquid light. Anything that comes within certain distance of this ship whether it's a meter right, a man walking, an animal or a car or another plane it will show up on that liquid. The rest of the gadgets on that instrument panel were just I really don't know what they were all for but the entire panel was covered with gadgets of some kind. Also right in front of that there long large instrument panel there was a I have marked there an invisible escalator. Whenever these people working on this here panel they would want to walk from one end of that 60 foot room to the other they would step back about a half a step and they would glide from one end of that panel to the other or get off in the middle as they chose. I got on that very same panel it didn't work with me. I also got along that panel there and wanted to see where these instruments were manufactured. I thought maybe there would be a manufacturer's address on there

but they were completely blank except the face of the instrument they had either Roman numbers or regular numerals on them. There was no lettering inside or outside the ship. These people talked to me in American language with a German accent. Amongst themselves they talked in a high German. Whenever I get close to them or they get close to me and they were talking amongst themselves I can hear that they were talking in a high German. The reason I know it was high German is because I was graduated in German school and could read, write, and talk the same way as an American. I was in that ship approximately 40 minutes when one of the men that had been working on this instrument panel came to the leader of the man who was with me at all times and he told him in a high German language he said very sincerely if you can understand if not that means that they were ready to leave. This man told me that I would have to leave the ship if they were going

to take off and I was very glad to hear that as I didn't think I'd ever get out of this ship again. Just before I walked out of the door he said I would like to have you tell your people that we know they have seen this ship before and they will see it again in the near future they will know what it's all about. He begged me they all said goodbye and wished me a lot of good luck and said they would see me again. Little did I realize at that time that they meant what they said that they would see me again. I thought it was probably just a vigorous speech but they kept their word. I have seen them quite often since that time. I stepped out of that ship and it sounded like well also just before I went through the door he said don't try to start your car until we're out of sight because it won't start anyway. I stepped out of that ship and the door slid shut and it sounded like two large electric motors started and approximately for ten seconds they run

so you could hear them and it seemed like more momentum they picked up the quieter they got. The ship rose straight up into the air approximately when it was twelve feet off the ground it turned to a pitch black then turned to a bluish green but this time it was about two hundred feet up into the air and there was a flash of light that disappeared before my very eyes. Also in flight at that time as we later found it stopped a tractor a large truck and three or four cars in flight. Most people say or I had to ask me isn't it funny whenever a ship like that is sighted there's only one person that has either witnessed or seen this ship this particular incident is different. I was alone in that ship and I was the only one close to that ship at that time and inside of it but close by there on the river bed there in a duck line there were four farmers hunters there hunting ducks and they gave us the report to the police department later on that they had knew this ship

was there as they had seen me around it and had also seen this ship take off. Two prominent businessmen from Kearney, Nebraska made a tape recording that they were hunting pheasants up there along the river

[21:00] Reinhold Schmidt on 'My Trip to the North Pole'

and they'd seen this ship in flight. Also the Lewis Construction Company a large land leveling outfit seen this ship before I did. There was probably 15 or 20 people working in this construction gang and they'd seen this ship and they were going to report it but before they got to town that night I had to beat them to it and they told me later on they said they didn't think that they would report it that they didn't have time to go to the mental hospital and have tests. Also since this summer since I've been lecturing Washington, D.C. sent me several different affidavits from people from Kearney, Nebraska sent it to Washington in affidavits that they had also seen this ship and in turn Washington sent me copies of it. One was an Air Force officer flying an airline over Kearney, Nebraska now and he said he'd seen this ship and it was flew faster than any jet he'd ever seen. What it was I really don't know he said. Also there were several other farmers sending affidavits

I can't quite recall their names now. But anyway I have about eight or ten maybe twelve affidavits that I know of that people had seen this ship on November the 5th 1957 the same one that I'd seen. After the ship had gone I went back to my car I stepped on the start and it started the same as always. All the way back to Kearney, Nebraska I didn't know whether to report this or not. Although I had heard while I'd been there Kearney was sitting there in the Fort Kearney Hotel listening to the TV and radio that the government every once in a while would flash on news reports and they said that they wanted sky watchers for everybody supposed to report any unidentified objects that they had seen. I thought probably it's my duty as a citizen to report this regardless of the consequences. I did on the way to Kearney I thought well I'll go to the Lutheran minister a minister of my faith and tell him what I had seen and ask him what he thought I should do. I did drive

over to his residence he wasn't home that day. I drove over to the police department and asked him where the sheriff was they said the sheriff was on a vacation but the deputy sheriff was over at the courthouse. I drove over to the courthouse and told the deputy sheriff what I had seen. He said well we'll drive out there to the river bottom again and see what we can see there. I went over to the river bottom and we drove out there with the sheriff's car and he said he definitely could see there had been a large object sitting there in the sand. On the way out to the river the first time he said this is quite a coincidence he said did you hear the siren this morning? I said yes I heard it I thought there was a fire. He said no there was no fire. Somebody had called in that morning just before noon and said there was some identified object flying toward Nebraska. This is on record that the siren did blow. Who reported it or why it has never been brought out. I asked him at that time whether it

wasn't necessary to rope this off or get some guards over there as he thought there had been a lot of guard ships sitting there and we should report it. He said we'll go back to Kearney and get some more of the officials and see what they say. We did go back to the police department and picked up the chief of police, clerk of the district court, the county attorney and we picked up a man from the local newspaper. We again drove back out there and we took pictures of the imprints that had left in the sand there and I had those pictures with me in my car. Most of the pictures had been tried to be destroyed but some of them would have slipped to me anyway. I again asked them if they didn't think it was necessary to rope this off and they said no there's five witnesses here and we know some large object had been set in here and of course none of us really knew what it was at that time but they said it wouldn't be necessary to rope it off. I didn't think it wasn't either. We went back to Kearney and they

took me back and left me off to my hotel at the Fort Kearney Hotel and that would be all there was to it. I was sitting there in the Fort Kearney Hotel in the lobby watching the local program when it was shut off and the clashes put on the spaceship that landed at Kearney Nebraska. The officials of Kearney put this on the air. I didn't. I just reported that's all. By approximately 30 minutes after this had been put on the air the telephones in my hotel was all ringing. They wanted more information about this spaceship. Also about 15 minutes later the chief of police called me and asked me if I wouldn't come down to the police department and help them answer the telephones as they were swamped with calls. I went over to the police department and the chief of police said you take my private office there's two telephones in there I'll answer the one on the outside. We sat there answered telephone calls for approximately 16 to 18 hours. At 9 o'clock that night the chief of police or the officials to go on the local radio station.

At 10 o'clock that night the chief of police made arrangements for himself and me to go on the local TV station. At 10 o'clock that night all local stations or all programs shut off. This was put on the air from coast to coast. You probably heard here in California. Anyway shortly after that about 15-20 minutes a Hollywood reporter called me and wanted more news about it. I had a chief of police voice and he told the entire world that he verified my story and he knew there would have been a large ship sitting there. He said he knew this story was true as he had a lot of witnesses there that had seen it and he verified my story 100%. We went back to the police department and was answering telephones and photographers flew in and you couldn't get within three blocks of the police station as it was all blocked off with spectators. You couldn't even find a place to sit down in the police department. Just stand in your room only. This went on until four o'clock the following morning when the Air Force flew in from Colorado Springs and they introduced themselves as being Air Force

from Colorado Springs and they asked me whether I would tell them the experiences. I had told them dozens and dozens times before that. I said yes I would be glad to. They took a tape recording like is being taken here today practically the same words you're hearing today. After they had the tape recorded or everything that was I had to tell them they put it in their briefcase and left. About 30 or 40 minutes after they had left the party came to me and they said they were going to change their mind and they wanted me to change my story also. I told them why and they said they didn't know why they couldn't they wanted to squelch it. I said I didn't intend to unless it was the security of the United States as this is the truth as I had seen it I was sticking with by the truth as I had been telling it. They did go back on the radio and TV and told them they didn't really see anything after they had the night before at 9 o'clock told the entire world that they knew there had been something there. After I seen that they were going to change their mind I said I'm going to back my hotel and get some rest because

I've been talking for 16 to 18 hours and I thought that would be enough. They said they could let me go they were going to hold me. I asked them what they were going to hold me for they said they didn't know they were just going to hold me. I told them they better grab me because I was going to walk out and I needed the rest. I didn't get very far. I was in jail for three days without a counsel or without even calling my employers here in Los Angeles, California. I also wanted to call my brothers at Grand Island Nebraska a distance of approximately 40 miles and they wouldn't let me to a telephone so I could call them and bring the lawyer over. They said we had some very good lawyers right here in the county just while you were all a large list and he went down and said here's a pretty good one and his name happened to be Ward Minor. I didn't know Ward Minor. When he came to the police station I remember seeing him in a hotel there. He was assistant city attorney they had got for him. I told him I didn't when I seen who he was I told him I didn't or the first thing he told me he said we don't believe your

story and we want you to change it. I said well I got news for you I don't even want you for my attorney. The next morning it came out in the paper that I had an attorney of my choice. I never did have an attorney all the while I was in Carnegie there. I wanted to call my brothers to have them bring an attorney over and after they found out I had a brother in Grand Island Nebraska they called my brother and they told him that I was a kid in a hospital. This my brothers refused to do just the Sunday before two days before this. We happened to have a family reunion. I was born and raised in Nebraska where this all took place and I had my four brothers and two sisters living there. We had this family reunion on the Sunday my brothers got together and my sister and they said well I don't think Smitty forgot that past he seemed to be okay. All the while my brother did go see his attorney and his attorney advised him he said whatever you do don't do that. He said I know I've been watching this case all the way through

and it's just gotten too big and they just want to get Smitty off their hands and if you go get him their hands are washed of it. They called back to the police department and they said you better return Smitty Lewis. We don't think there's nothing wrong with him and we're not going to get him. Then they started to have a mental hearing which they did. They had a mental hearing one night consisted of the chief of police, the county attorney, the clerk of the district court, and a doctor. We were sitting there at the little table there and the doctor he asked me three questions. He asked me the first question was he said how do you feel about the people of Kearney, Nebraska. I said I have no hard feelings against the people of Kearney, Nebraska. He asked me whether I feel maintained. I said I certainly did. He asked me whether I would go to hospital and have tests. I said no I didn't intend to and if they insisted on me going they would have to pay the bill. This mental hearing took place one

night at midnight back of locked doors above the fire department. It lasted about 15 minutes. A local TV man found out they were going to have a mental hearing there and he wanted to get in on that and he never did find out where he was at until it was too late. He finally found out where he was being held from a cop on the street. At about 1130 that night we headed for the hospital at Hastings, Nebraska. I was admitted to the hospital the following morning at 10 o'clock. I was asked to go before a board of doctors, approximately 30 doctors, nurses and doctors. The superintendent told me they were going to ask me a series of questions and if I want to ask them anything it is perfectly okay to do so. I was there before the doctor approximately 30 minutes. They didn't ask me too many questions, nothing about my health or anything. Mostly they were interested about the ship. I was excused. I was heading in the, in the, lobby or watching TV there. One of the doctors come sit down beside me and he

said that he was consigned to my case and he wouldn't know what I was up there for. I said I really don't know. It wasn't my idea. He said we'll have to give you a few tests and we'll see. And I said well that's a general idea what I come up here for. He gets a mental test done. They did give me a few tests. They took my blood count, took my blood pressure, test my heart and that was about all, about five, He said you have passed all these tests and I guess we'll have to release you. I said is that all the tests you can give your patients here when they come to the hospital? He said no, we have lots more. I said well then I owe it to myself and to the public. I want you to give me every test this hospital knows to give a patient. I said don't send me no bill for it either. I was there for two weeks. I took every test that they knew how to give any patient and at the end of two weeks I and the superintendent asked the doctor if they wanted to ask any questions. They said no, they had looked at

the records and they were satisfied. They excused me again. I went out to the recreation hall and my employer had flew over from California. I introduced him to my doctor and my employer said how's getting along? He said he passed all the tests and we couldn't release him. He said no, we can hold him two more days. My employer said I'll tell you what to do. There's nothing wrong with you. He said I didn't think there was anything wrong with him because he had handled millions of dollars worth of grain for us the last four or five years and we never did have any doubt. He said I'll tell you what to do. You're released tonight. If you don't I'm going to fly a fleet of my lawyers over here tomorrow. This doctor said just wait a minute. He walked me out of the room and came back in 10 seconds and told me to get out of here. I'll send you a release document. On the way back to Nebraska I told my employer I probably have no job now all this trouble has been caused here. He said no that's entirely wrong. He said

I spent three days here in Kearney before I came to the hospital and I say that I was finding that they just tried to railroad you to get you out of the community and the biggest share of the people around Kearney are still for you 100%. The local TV man was there and he said if I was many I'd give Kearney a wide berth as a great we don't think he would probably buy any grain here anyway as all the trouble he has caused. My employer said we'll try it anyway if you only buy one or two truckloads we'll try it anyway. With his help we put an ad in the local newspaper read something like this attention Milo and corn growers that crazy grain buyer from California is still around and would like to put a bid on your grain. When his newspaper hit the street that afternoon about three or four o'clock my telephone to get in that hotel was swamped with calls from every farm around wanting to sell me grain. I could buy 10,000 tons that night if I could handle it. I was there for approximately two months

buying grain and about the first thing if I would go out and talk to the farmers the first thing they would ask me before they even talk about grain they said what are you going to do about the fish and the carne and the grass the way they treated you and I said well I don't intend to do anything. They said well if you don't we think you are crazy. Several lawyers have volunteered to take this case. I didn't want to do it as a revenge or anything but it seemed like the public thought it should be brought to a test case so I decided to give it to a lawyer there and he kept it for a while and he was high pressure and he had to drop it. I gave it to two other lawyers and it happened the same way. So I guess there probably won't be no lawsuit now and the lawyer just won't tackle a case of that kind. Somebody high pressures them or buys them off got more money than I got. I was in the back of Nebraska on February 5, 1958. I again was out west of Kearney on the coast of Elm Creek, Nebraska and was inspecting

some fields of grain when my car stopped and this very same ship hovered down beside me. I thought to myself well here it goes again. I got out of my car and walked toward this ship and there was a man, woman and little child drove by. I waved at them and they looked right at me. I thought maybe they would stop and maybe report it or come and talk to us also. They drove right by and they didn't stop. This man that was in the ship again he came to the door and he asked me whether I would do them a favor. I said yes, if it was at all possible I would do them a favor. He said we can't stop right here beside this country road and he wanted me to take a small ride with him. I said yes, I would be glad to. I got in the ship, we again raced straight up into the air, settled down in the Platt River on a dry river bed in the Platt River among the trees. On the way over there I asked him what kind of gas do you use, what propels this ship, how does it fly so noiselessly. He said we use no gas and we get our power from

the sun and from the earth. And I might add at this time before I forget it, I usually forget it, these people told me at that time that they were from SACR. On the way over there they asked me three questions. Most of you people probably haven't heard these three questions but in case some of these you haven't heard I'll read them again. The first question was what would the United States do if other planets were to start sputniks and satellites flying around on earth interrupting all radio TV and a lot of other devices also atomic bombs. This is really the first time in my own mind that I figured they were from another planet because they asked me what we thought we would do if some other planet would start shooting atomic bombs or testing atomic bombs shooting them down toward us interrupting all our radio TV and a lot of other electrical devices. Second question was how would the people react if these ships would land and talk to all people on a friendly mission would they accept us

on friendly terms. Most of the people asked here before I really reported these three questions back to the space people and all asked them to hold up their hand and said they would like to meet these people and would like to talk to them on a friendly term. I think in Chicago Illinois there was a man who was sitting way in the back he said he would turn a machine gun on him. He was one of the sheriffs. I told him his machine gun would be like a bean shooter getting the rays that they had. Believe me they got some rays they can melt a chunk of iron as thick as any post there just in seconds. The third question was what was this ship carrying that disintegrated over the Pacific Ocean beside passengers last November. You probably remember this ship this plane was called the romance of the sky that disintegrated or disappeared killing all the persons aboard. I brought these questions out in my lectures all the way to New York to Washington when I was in Washington I talked to all the senators and

congressmen there and most of them would tell me they knew there was nothing aboard this plane besides passengers. I knew it was aboard this plane the space people had told me but I never told any of the public at that time. I said you want me to tell people what is aboard this plane or you want to give me permission to and they said don't say anything we'll write you a letter. On April 3rd 1958 when I was in Kansas City Missouri I got this letter from the National Investigating Committee of Area Phenomena Washington D.C. and this is what is aboard that plane. A lot of people have asked me maybe some of you people here was wondering why was space people so interested in this certain plane that disintegrated. You've probably seen pieces in the local newspaper that they had cited mysterious blinking lights around this plane and some other planes had seen it and one newspaper had said that they thought a spaceship had wrecked it. This is the space people refused to take so they want to know whether we knew

or the public knew what was aboard that plane besides passengers. Here's a little item that was sent to me from Washington D.C. It came out of Des Moines Register on November 9th 1957. A large strata cruiser interrotted between San Francisco and

San Francisco miles northeast of Honolulu. A military transport flying near the area reported sighting similar mysterious lights blinking off and on. 120 miles north, the last reported position the strata cruiser after had reported missing. A full scale sea and air search is in operation with vain efforts to find the plane carrying a crew of 4 and 36 passengers in the event it might have plunged into the sea. Also, the National Investigating Committee sent me this letter what that ship was carrying besides passengers. This was addressed to me. The Pan-American strata cruiser Romance of the Skies was carrying a shipment of chemical and radioactive material when it crashed into the Pacific killing all 44 persons aboard a civil aeronautic board. A hearing was told Wednesday. The huge airliner bound from San Francisco to Honolulu mysteriously plunged into the ocean about midway between the two point times last November the 8th. Only 19 bodies were recovered. The first witness before the seven man hearing panel was David L.

Thompson head of the team of CAB investigators who have spent the last two months seeking clues from the wreckage. Mr. Thompson said one thing certain was that the plane had burned after it struck the water. Mr. Thompson said the plane carried a shipment of yellow labeled sodium sulfide restricted cargo packed in accordance with ICC regulations. In addition he said there was a white labeled radioactive material aboard this plane. Mr. Thompson offered no solution to one of the prime mystery of the tragedy the riddle of why the crewman were unable to send a distress message in the 23 minutes from the time it last gave its position to the time it struck the water. I told these

well here again our atomic bomb had everything to do with it. Every time we test one of our atomic bombs when it blows up into the air there is this atomic fallout a little crystal here stays in the air another one here and all the way these crystals contact one another until that ball gets so big or that cloud gets so big that it will stay in the atmosphere forever unless the sun or rain or wind drives it to earth or unless something hits it. These clouds are negative any ship or any meteorite that will fly through the air hits any of this or this cloud will fly settle down to earth that's where negative and positive meet if you have a highly charged battery and hit the two wires together you know what kind of explosion area is when negative clouds and completely disintegrated. I told them on the way back after I had these three questions from the river there I told them if they would give me their address I'd be glad to write them a letter and tell them they said we'll contact you again. They did contact me again in Kansas City Missouri when I was up there and I gave them

these three questions and said yes they knew I already had them. While I was in a hospital I really didn't regret it so much being there because two weeks when I was in the hospital it rained and snowed all in two weeks and I got a very good rest and I got one of the best physicals you've ever seen. My employer didn't have no pain or expenses in the hotel where I was staying there. I got along so well with all the doctors and the nurses up there. I had my own private room, had my own private nurses there. The doctors were very good and except with the psychiatrists I didn't get along so well with those. I remember when the psychiatrist asked me to come to his office he said he's going to ask me a series of questions. He said answer the first thing that comes to your mind whether to answer the question or not. I remember the first question he asked me he said if you were or no he asked me who I thought was the smartest George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. I told him I really didn't know could I sooner be a psychiatrist. I think I got all on

that question because he slammed his book shut and I asked him if that's all he was going to ask me he said yes our records don't stand up in court anyway. I was again buying grain in Colorado and Nebraska on the later part of June I was in Denver Colorado and these people contacted me again and they asked me whether I would like to take a trip to the Arctic Circle the fourth part of August. I said yes I would be glad to if it is at all possible let me know whatever I was doing I would stop and go with him. The first of August came well I asked him also at that time I said why go to the Arctic Circle and said well let's just say for an educational purpose. On the 14th day of August while I was in a Hollywood apartment up here they did contact me and said they were ready to leave. I said with a few telephone calls I'll be ready. I asked them where they were going to pick me up and they said you drive out to your quarry I have a quarry over on highway six and they said we'll pick you up there. I said I can't do that because I happen to have a new 58 Buick and I said I don't want to leave it out there because this

is a desolated place and maybe they'd steal the tires off of it. He said we'll pick the Buick alone. I said it wasn't necessary to heavy car like that weighs about 4,000 pounds and he said weight doesn't mean anything to us because who was I to argue with these people? I drove out to this quarry when I got there and the ship was there. Beside this quarry there's a fountain spring that has been running for years and years. Government packed this spring and put about a three inch pipe in it and it runs into a galvanized tank there and most of the time it's running over.

I was wondering how they were going to get this big Buick in that ship and they have on the fore part of this ramp here where the steps are there's a big ramp that's down I drove the Buick on that ramp and the ramp Buick and everything raised up and went into the ship. We left the quarry there I noticed by my watch at that time I had this very same watch on and it's just 20 minutes after four. An hour and 40 minutes we were at the North Pole flying over the Arctic Circle we made three stops two in Alaska and one in Greenland. Why they stopped there I really don't know I never asked them. It just took us an hour and 20 minutes. This watch stopped after I was on the ship for approximately an hour. When I got off the ship it again started. The electric clock in my Buick has never started. We got to the Arctic Circle and they showed me where this years ago where ice caps thousands of feet high today is a lake of water. Also I've seen polar bears walruses and a lot of other animals that I have never seen before was melting out of this ice. They were so well preserved you see the color of their Also

I always say the Eskimos were using some of the meat from these walruses to probably feed their dogs as somebody had been cutting them on these walruses. This ship will fly in the air settle on the water act as the same ship or even as a submarine. We flew over the Arctic Circle turned around again and came back to the ocean and settled on the water went below the water and was under the ice cap approximately 300 feet for about two and a half hours. What I seen under this ice cap were the main thing that they wanted me to see. I am sorry to say that I can't reveal that as yet. I was so in hope the government would give me a release on this that I could tell what was underneath this ice cap. It

was in Denver, Colorado, and they said they wanted to go to the Arctic Circle. Since that time I have heard three of our submarines went to the Arctic Circle. Also one of our blimps went over there. I was wondering what was going on there. I think our government knows what's going on there. I didn't want to be the first to bring it out to the public unless they gave me permission to do so. I didn't want to get in trouble with my government and tell the public something that they maybe didn't want told. If they don't tell me within the next two weeks I'm going to reveal it anyway because I don't think maybe they don't care. We came back and settled down close on Highway 6 and I drove back to Hollywood and I haven't seen them since. I know a lot of you people wondering what we have done on this ship for four days, what we eat. I know that would be one of the questions you're going to ask anyway so I'll tell you. On these four days I left the 14th and got back to 19th and on them four days I was on that ship we had nothing but

small wafers. These wafers about the size of our Alka-Seltzer almost together stick and have a grayish color. Very pleasing in taste. This one day I ate three of those. I was just wondering whether maybe three would be enough to be a meal and I was very well filled up all day long. Most of the people in our audience, the women especially, said we should have that because we don't have to cook, wash dishes or anything like that. I think I'll turn this back to Mr. Green now and we'll have some more questions and answers later on. I'll try to answer some of them. I want to rest assured that I can't answer them all. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Ryan Hove. I hope that you have a lot of questions in your minds to ask Ryan Hove and if you don't have a slip of paper or a pencil to write them down, you can get one up here during the intermission shortly. I know many of you will be interested to know that work is progressing on Project Outer Space, the corporation which was organized to

produce a motion picture crusade to new horizons telling the true flying saucer story. Dan Fry, Truman Bethlehem, George Van Tassel, Ryan Hove Smith, Calvin Gerben, Carl Anderson, Dana Howard, and Buck Nelson are members of the Board of Directors and their stories will be featured in this picture. $30,000 is needed to start the picture and multiples of $25 are still being accepted from investors who want to see this vital story portrayed on the screen and at the same time realize a tremendous percentage of return on their investment due to the low cost of the production. If you want to help yourself and at the same time help the saucer movement, here is your opportunity to do so. If you are interested in learning further details or wish to subscribe, please let me have your name, address, and telephone number on a slip of paper and indicate that you are interested in Project Outer Space and we will get in touch with you. I don't know whether we have any more of Ryan Holt's booklets

here which tell his story but if we do you can obtain those during intermission and Gloria Lee is accepting advanced subscriptions to her new book Why They Are Here dealing with why the space people are visiting our earth at this time and you may place your advanced subscriptions to this book over at the table in the corner here during intermission and let us have your questions. We'll have about a ten minute intermission now. Thank you. Here's plenty of paper and scratch pads up here if you want to use them. For those of you who have friends in other areas, Ryan Holt Smith will be talking October 30th, in Tucson, Arizona, October 31st, in Phoenix, and November 6th, for Hope Troxell's Understanding Pasadena Unit, and November 7th, at Dan Fry, the National Headquarters of Understanding. So if you have friends who missed this meeting, tell them about these other meetings and Dan Fry's Understanding Group in El Monte, in this area, and Hope Troxell's Understanding Unit in Pasadena,

November 6th. And if you don't know how to contact these people, I can give you their addresses if you will call me. We have quite a lot of questions here. I don't know whether we'll get through all of them, but we'll give it a try. By what methods were you contacted by the space people while in your Hollywood apartment, Reinhold? These people came right to my Hollywood apartment.

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One man came there. He knocked the door and walked right in, in a physical form, you know, just like any of us would. Did you sleep any time during those four days? Yes, we, or I did. I can't speak for those, but I slept every night and I slept very soundly and most of the time when we were sleeping we were sleeping at least eight to ten miles up in the atmosphere hovering there in the space. I asked them whether this wasn't quite dangerous so maybe one of our ships would hit us and they said no, it's the same as our automatic pilot and there's no meter right or any ship that comes within so many feet of such a distance, it will dodge it. It's not dangerous hovering there in the sky. Why did the space people speak German? This I cannot answer for sure but I can answer it as other people have told me and I think this is probably true. Around Karni, Nebraska, this is a German settlement and maybe they would like to speak in whatever location they happen to settle in. When I was in the hospital

there, my employer flew over and he brought a man along from old Mexico and after I explained it to him what these people looked like and what the ship looked like, he said they seemed like the very same people talked to him in a Spanish language in old Mexico. Were you allowed to tell the government what the space people showed you under the North Pole and if not, why did they show it to you? I don't know what I was allowed to tell the government but I did. I wrote to them and I haven't heard from them but I'm sure that the government knows what is going on there. Like I said, we had three submarines there, also one of our blimps and I think they're over there now again. Who paid the hospital bill for your two weeks in Kearney? I think the Kearney Nebraska had to pay that as the following day I went out and bought some corn from one of the board of directors at Kearney Nebraska and he said that that little incident cost the city of Kearney $700. So he knew all about it. Is our government now using

the science of Nikola Tesla for constructive or other purposes? This I cannot say. I don't know. In regards to Nikola Tesla, Margaret Storm's Return of the Dove is coming out shortly and you'll all have an opportunity to hear more about the spine scientist's work. And if you have been listening to Galaxy on KDLA 1499 on your dial, you heard the intelligence that was Nikola Tesla speak to you. Is the real mission or purpose of spaceships coming here at this time? What is the real mission or purpose of spaceships? The real mission for these space people are here to help us, not to harm us. Don't ever be afraid if you see any of these ships. They are here to help us. And they're mainly here to see that we stop using our atomic bombs and don't destroy us. You probably have seen these fireballs flying through the atmosphere. They use that to mop up our radioactive fallout here so our fruit and vegetables and we can breathe pure air again. I said we are very stubborn people. How are you going to stop

us from using this atomic bomb? They said well maybe we'll have to do like you people say, slap one right back in your face. This was told to me last summer and if you remember one was slapped back in a Russian's face and it went up and fell back to earth killing thousands and thousands of people. This was never revealed to me as true until when I was in Santa Rosa, California speaking there several weeks ago a lady there from Washington D.C. was there and she said yes I know this is true and she said I will send you some literature. She sent me a book of this that came out of Washington D.C. This has affected over a million of people there in Russia and this bomb did fall back onto the Russian earth again. How will you reveal the information learned at the North Pole in case the government has remained silent? This I will tell to whatever place I am speaking at and it will be up to other people to reveal it to the clubs along the east coast and especially on the west coast where I have spoken I

probably won't get there and I will try to write them letters or send them a tape as I see fit. What was the date of the North Pole trip? From the 14th to the 19th of August. What power did the spaceship use visiting the North Magnetic or what? There again I guess they used the same power they told me when I was at Kearney, Nebraska there. They said they got the power from the sun and from the earth. They did not use no gas. There's no fumes, no exhausts or anything about this ship. Do the space people eat meat or believe in killing animals? This I cannot answer but I know they eat, I have seen them eat cake, I have seen them drink coffee and I have seen them eat some donuts. I might add this time that we're just going to but it's a very interesting deal. When we were flying to the North Pole they said we know you American people like coffee and we came prepared to give you some coffee. I thought maybe they had a thermostat with them and I said yes I would like to have a cup of coffee. A lady got up

and she put some water and some coffee in a percolator. It wasn't anything like our zone. She set it down on a table there and pretty soon I could hear this coffee percolating and I could smell the coffee cooking. I said what makes that cook? There's no wires leaning to it. It's standing there on a cold table. She said pick it up and hold it up in the air. I did. I picked it up and held it at arm's length and it still kept on boiling. I asked them what made it boil and they said they used the free energy the same as powers of ship. They said you could set this coffee pot on a chunk of ice and it would still cook coffee. I told her this was something for me. I should have that. I asked them what they would take for this coffee pot. They said they couldn't sell that to me but they did promise me one just like it that they would bring to me soon. I asked them whether it would work here in our atmosphere. They said yes as long as there's air it would work. Here again I think we must keep in mind that

the term space people covers a lot of area and one type of space people and what they experience and what they do may not be the same. It has a different type of space people from different areas of space. I think there's too much of a tendency to attempt to put all of these experiences into one little category and try to say this is it. I understand that our science has not discovered the correct number of planets in our universe. Can you tell us the correct number and their names? No, I cannot tell you that but these people did tell me that they visited 2,000 other planets that have living beings on them. What altitude were you at in your trip to the North Pole? Most of the time we were flying very low as we were using this more as a scenery and educational trip. But at one time I asked them how fast this ship would go and we got up better than 5 miles high and for a short time we were going better than 40,000 miles an hour. Also, you probably would think a ship 200,000 this ship

I went to North Pole was approximately 200 feet long and 30 feet wide and if we were flying a ship at that nature we would fly into the wind with the narrowest point. They flew sideways, full 200 feet flying into the wind sideways. They said the reason they had done that was because we could look out and we could look back. We couldn't look to the side. I asked them if there was quite a wind resisting there and they said no, there was no wind resisting there whatsoever. How is an adventurous woman to contact spacecraft? This I would like to know. I've asked these people could I contact you and they said no, we'll contact you. Same as we say don't call us, we'll call you. How could

you, a human being, breathe on account of the gravity in the ship of the earth? This is not difficult. You're sitting in that ship the same as you are here. You have no safety belts on and even at five miles high flying 40,000 miles an hour, you breathe the same as you here because the magnetic field around this ship protects you. And I also asked them, I said could we, could I or any of us go to Saturn and could live up there? And they said yes, if you'd have a ship like this to take you through that line of force, you could live up there the same as you do here. If you get through that line of force, you fall up the same as you fall down. Do the saucers have a base in Alaska or the North Pole or the moon or anywhere else? This again I cannot say. The only place we stopped, we just stopped right out in the country. We didn't stop on no base. And when we was hovered up in the air at night in the sky, we just hovered there. There was no other base or no other ships around there that I've seen on the

moon. Do space people have books as we know them? And if so, why is it that no one contacted us not to bring one back to prove their story? This, I don't know whether they have books or not. In fact, I never see no writing paper. I never see no pencil or anything on this ship. As far as bringing back a story, I did, these space people did bring me some material that this ship was made of. I give it to John Ottawa in Chicago and another, I can't think of his name on it, Houston Texas, Phil Harrison, Houston Texas, and they tested this and they wrote back to me, where in the world did you get this? He said, nothing of our machinery touches, not our heat, our electricity, our pressure, or anything can touch this metal. How can we communicate with space people? I don't know. I can't communicate with them, so I really couldn't tell you that. I think you answered this, Reinhold, but what speed were you flying and at what altitude? At one time, like I said, we was over five miles

high, just for a short distance, and by their speedometers, they showed me that it was going better than 40,000 miles an hour. I also asked them how long it takes to come from Saturn to our planet, and they said by our hours, 11 hours and 15 minutes. And as near as I can figure, when I was in Vancouver, Canada, Dr. Willis over there, he had a lot of maps and one thing or another, and it's over eight million miles. Why is it that sometimes a person can see a spaceship and another person standing nearby cannot see it? This, again, I cannot answer. I don't know. Well, as all you people know, the human vision is somewhat limited. Various of our animals can do have a vision which extends further into the invisible spectrum than ours, and at the specific vibratory rate that a spaceship may be at the moment, one person with an expanded vision might be able to perceive it, while the other one whose vision is of a shorter degree, possibly more than that, would not see it.

However, many of the craft, being of a certain vibratory rate, anyone could see them with their physical vision. It just depends on what rate they are using at the moment. Reinhold, have you read the book from an author in Washington, D.C., who claims the ice cap is melting due to a shift in the Earth's axis, and we are in immediate danger of floods that could occur with a sudden shift of the Earth's axis? No, I never have read a book before, and I haven't read a book to this day yet on flying saucers, but I did ask them. A lot of people have told me in a lecture, they said they understand the Earth is going to flip on its axis because it is melting at the North Pole and freezing at the South Pole. I asked them whether this was true, and they said yes, it could be true, but here again they said, we cannot let this happen. Science is capable of proving that the Earth has a new cycle of a long cycle of a long cycle of a long cycle. We can actually prove this.

We can prove that many of the natural processes that we have to be able to do this cycle are just about due to the period of time, people in this movement and the space people are attempting to thwart

this happening again. Here again, this will depend, whether or not we are successful, will depend upon the action of a lot of you people here. What you do to help make conditions better on this planet so that it is not necessary to destroy the abominable conditions that we are experiencing and start all over again. Space people say they will prevent this, if at all possible, but we here on Earth have a responsibility to help. Will there be an atomic war? This, I have been told. I don't want to be quoted on this. They told me there would never be an atomic war, because there would just be one blast and then we would be wiped off the face of this Earth, and that is what they are not wanting us to do, because if we blow ourselves from the face of this Earth, it will affect their planet, and they can't have that happen. As many of you know, if you have been attending our meetings for the last two and a half years,

you have heard about Maldek, the planet that was disintegrated. Through a true hydrogen bomb being set off, planet number five, which is now reduced to a belt of asteroids. Since that time, a new law has been passed to preserve the lives of people on other planets,

which disintegration of this planet would be like throwing a monkey wrench in the gears

of a clockwork and would affect the lives of people. So they have passed a new law where they can't intervene to prevent this.

What can we do to help present conditions, to help present conditions in harmony with the space people? Well, that really is entirely up to us. One thing for sure, and it's not because I'm in this project out of space. This project out of space is going over, and it's going over big. The space people are one. I'm behind this 100%. They say we have done wonderful, wonderful things here with our books and our lectures here, but that's not fast enough. It doesn't get to enough people. So you have a lecture here, probably 200, 300 people, 400 people, and about maybe 15, 20, 25, or 100 of those will buy books and read them. They'll all hear it. But in the first place, you people are space fans now. The people that we have to get out to there. Outside world, and this picture will do it. If we get this picture into all the theaters throughout the world, and it is going throughout the world, and people will hear about the space people that have never even heard about it.

They will go to see this picture, and it will be shown in dozens and dozens of different places probably at one time if we get started. That's one thing we can do, support this project out of space. To the people of space, I read that one, I guess, about the books. Since the government is aware. Of what is going on, why do they still deny it? Just last week, a large article with headlines appeared in a local newspaper where they are, of course, still denying their existence. This, again, is the entire economical system. That's why they are holding it back. If they could, if some of our big money men could put a meter on our free energy here, we'd probably have it shortly. But they don't know how to meter this yet and charge us for it, so they want to hold it back as long as possible. Also. Also, if they would get this free energy, it will upset our economical system completely. Our jets, our planes, our oil fields, our tractors and automobiles, everything will be obsolete.

You can't stand in the way of progress. It is coming, but it will come slow. As many of you have heard me say before time and time again, in order to prevent the great amount of destruction that would occur if, if, absolute proof of the space people were given to the general public all at one time, they would be forced to believe, and this would immediately result in a total collapse of our economic system. Therefore, the procedures have to be instigated to inaugurate a new type of an economic system

which can't incorporate the many wonderful inventions that, that the people of Earth are now receiving from the space people in a non-destructive manner. If you all of a sudden start employing free energy, well, how are the people that are employed by General Electric or all of the power companies going to maintain their livelihood?

This is a big problem, and it's a very real one. And the space people know of it, and that's why the information as to how to make the changeover

has been presented to you. And what you do about it to help make this changeover will determine just exactly how much destruction we have to experience before we actually get into action and start doing something. There's two ways to get into a new age, and one is slip in gradually, and another one is to do it suddenly with a lot more, with a lot of destruction taking place. So we will see what happens. We naturally hope that the greatest amount of destruction will be eliminated through the enlightened actions of the people of Earth. George Van Tassel in his Proceedings magazine mentioned that a spaceship similar to the one that he wrote in Reinhold

was destroyed in New Mexico, and that he thought that ship was actually made in Germany, what do you have to say about this? I don't think Van Tassel would probably just know what he was talking about at that time, because if we would have a ship like that, we wouldn't have to be spending billions of dollars to send satellites to the moon. We'd just take them flying to the moon. Also, if Russia had a ship like that were made in Russia or in Germany, they'd have us under our thumb so bad that we wouldn't dare to move. So I am sure, and I know, the only way I really have to know what the people told me, and I believe these people 100% when they told me, they came from Saturn and they came from outer space. I believe this ship was not built on this Earth, and we don't have a ship like that. And another thing I would like to say is that when I was in Washington, D.C., the Air Force there and some of the big officials there told me that they knew this wasn't a Russian ship.

I asked them where they thought this ship came from, and they said, well, we know it's not a Russian ship and we know we don't have anything like that. Thank you very much, Ryan Holtz-Smith, for a very enlightening and interesting talk. People who live in the Englewood area will be happy to know that a new Understanding Unit is being formed out there,

and they will have a meeting with Dan Fry, the National President of Understanding, as the speaker of the evening. It is to be held at Englewood Recreation Center at 621 North La Brea Avenue in Englewood.

That is November 8th at 8 p.m. And the new president of that organization is Lee Yates, and the secretary is Mrs. Barbara Yates, the program chairman is Mr. McGinty, and the treasurer is Mr. McGinty. So if you can make that, I'm sure you'll find it very interesting. Then some time ago many of you had an opportunity to see the very fine motion picture, The Body is a Shell. And I'm happy to announce that this picture is playing locally here October 28th and October 29th at Basis Hall.

And this is a, I know many of you are students of alcohol phenomenon, and this is old hat to you, but many of you here for the first time perhaps possibly do not have an understanding or any idea of what life is actually like when one's intelligence leaves the body at so-called death. And this is a very good introductory motion picture that I'm sure you would enjoy seeing. It's playing here October 28th and 29th at Basis Hall, which is at 1628 North Vermont, for any of you who are interested, the admission is $1.25. At 7.45 p.m. Someone says it's playing in the afternoon on the 29th, too.

At 1.45, that's right, I see it. It's 1628 North Vermont, I believe. That's Basis Hall, near Sunset and Vermont. 1528, thank you, 1528 North Vermont. The Body is a Shell. Very interesting motion picture about life after death.

Yes, 28th at 7.45 p.m. 1.45 in the afternoon on October 28th.

29th, I'm sorry. No, it's not listed on the 30th here in the afternoon.

Oh, yes, that's right. It's also in the evening on the 30th.

And it's in Pasadena on the 5th at the Odd Fellows Temple in San Bernardino on the 31st. At the California Hotel. November 5th, Odd Fellows Temple, 7.45 p.m. You possibly won't learn all there is to know about life after death. You may have to make the transition to find out all the complications, but, of course, this will give you a little introduction to it. The following sequence of Mr. Schmidt's story of his visit to the North Pole

was recorded on November 15th, 1958, at El Monte. Since last July, when they told me this, I've seen, and the paper and radio were, several of our subs had went to the Arctic Circle, also some of our blimps had flown over there, and some of our big ships, and I was just wondering what was going on there when these space people also said that they went to the Arctic Circle. August came, usually everything happens on the 5th. This time they never contacted me until the 14th day of August, 1958. I happened to be in a Hollywood apartment here in California when one of the men came to me and said that they were ready for the takeoff, whether I was ready. I said, yes, with a couple of telephone calls I'd be ready to go. I asked them where they would pick me up, and they said, you drive out to your quarry. I have a quarry on Highway 6, east of Bakersfield, or north of Mojave, and they said, we'll pick you up there. I said, well, I just happen to have a new 58 Buick,

and I hate to leave it out there, as it is a desolated place there, and they said, we'll take your Buick along. I told them it really wasn't necessary. It weighed about two tons, but who was I to argue with these people? I did drive out to the quarry when I got there. They were sitting there waiting for me, and right beside this quarry there's a big spring there. It had been flowing for years and years. Last year, I think it was, the government put a three-inch pipe in there, and it runs into a big galvanized tank there. They had drawn about half of this tank of water out into this ship. When I got there, they left a ramp down on the fore end, or I called it the fore end, along the doors on the side, right in here. I drove my Buick up on this ramp, the ramp and everything raised up into this ship, and we started for the Arctic Circle. For one hour and 20 minutes from the time we left the quarry at Bakersfield, we were over the Arctic Circle.

We made two stops, twice in Greenland and once in, twice in Alaska, and once in Alaska. And once in Greenland. At one time, I was asking these people, I said, how fast will this ship go? They said, well, we'll give you a fast ride. Before that time, we had been flying quite low and slow as we were watching the country quite close. They said, we'll give you a fast ride. They went up approximately six miles high, and at one time, according to their speedometer, they showed me where it's going 40,000 miles an hour. It's a short distance. When we got over to the Arctic Circle, we settled on the ice cap, and what I seen there was quite educational and quite interesting. I seen animals, or first they told me where these, today was a lake there, years ago was ice peaks thousands and thousands of feet high. Also, I seen polar bears, walruses, and a lot of other prehistorical animals thawing out of the ice. These animals were preserved the same days

they froze in there. How many thousands of years they have been in there, I really don't know, but you could tell by their eyes, the color of their eyes, their fur was good. And these walruses and some of these other big fish, whatever they happen to be, I had never seen them before, not even in a picture. I see some of the, well, I said Eskimos had been cutting some of the meat off, maybe for their use for their dogs or whatever they was using for, but somebody had been cutting meat off these walruses. The meat was well preserved. Also, this ship can be used as a plane playing in the air, a boat on the water, or a submarine underneath the ice or underneath the water. We settled down on the open water, went underneath the ice cap for approximately four hours, three to four hundred feet below the ice cap, and what I seen there, that's what I can't reveal to the public yet, although I have written to Washington,

and they haven't given a release, but it is coming out in my book in December when it comes out. Unless they stop me, it's in the last four pages, and we'll have to tear that out, so if you get any books with the last four pages tore out, you know that the government stopped me from releasing it. I know the government knows what's going on over there because our submarines have been there, and maybe they don't even care whether I would tell it to the public, but I think I would feel better if the government itself would let you know what is going on there. I can tell you that I did see two Russian subs underneath the water. I also seen a city there that had slid into the, I would say it slid into the ocean, looked like it was on an incline, and it was built on that there incline there. It was completely frozen in the ice. The city wasn't very big, but there were some stores and some other buildings there. We came out again.

The water, I drove back to California. They left me out on Highway 6. I drove back to California and took up my work. A lot of people say, well, what did you eat in four days? This happened to be, I left the 14th and never got back till the 19th. All I had to eat, what these people really eat, I couldn't say because I never seen anything. All I had to eat was little wafers about the size of Alka-Seltzers, almost again as thick, and there was a grayish color, very pleasing to the taste. One day I only ate three of these Alka-Seltzers, or three of these here, whatever you happen to call them. I was wondering how much power they did have, but they had plenty of power, just three of them. Most ladies liked something like that because they had pulled me later on and said that's what we should have had here because we wouldn't have to wash dishes or doing any cooking. Also, we slept. I slept in one end of this ship, closest to the door there.

Had a nice room there, and I noticed that the mattresses, I wouldn't say were there springs in them, they were quite soft and quite nice to sleep on. They also had sheets, pillows. The pillows felt like they would be of a foam rubber or something like that. I'm sure it wasn't feathers. They told me on the way back that they would see me again, but I haven't seen them since the 14th or the 19th day of August at that time. We'll take a little break now. If anybody else wants to say anything, it would be okay to do so. Do you have anybody else who wants to talk? Mrs. Frye? We'll have a little question-answer period later on. I'm sure you folks have some more questions you would like to ask me. Of course, there's a lot of things that I can't really answer because I don't know them myself. I know this ship, the one we went to the Arctic Circle in, is the most wonderful ship that I have ever ridden on. The one I've seen in Kearney

was approximately 100 feet long. This one we went to the Arctic Circle was approximately 200 feet long and not near as many instruments as this here one does. Most of the people, if you'd be flying in a ship 200 feet long, would fly into the wind this way. We didn't. We were flying sideways into the wind. Even at 40,000 miles an hour, we were flying sideways into the wind that way. I said, well, wasn't there quite a wind resisting there? And they said, no, there was no wind resisting whatsoever. And she is out here now, but leaving Monday, I understand. And then we'll be back in April. And we hope to have her speak for us in April when she comes back. Peace Pilgrim, will you stand up? She is walking for peace. Now we'll have an intermission. More our project Outer Space. Our picture that was going, you all probably have heard about this, this picture that is being made by the Ormond Enterprises of the true flying saucers.

A lot of, as this happened last, first come into this last fall, we, the Ormonds, decided maybe we should try and let the saucer fans own this picture, if it's at all possible. They happened to get, elect me as one of the board of directors on this project Outer Space, the reason I know so much about it. This picture now has went out to the saucer fans

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and is owned by the saucer fans. This picture, the Ormond Enterprises decided if they would get around $27,000 or so from the saucer fans, and not a donation, but your, buy your shares in it or something like that. At that one time, you could have bought shares for $1 per share, as high as you wanted to go, or as many shares as you cared to. This picture is going into production now in December, and will be out to the public sometime in the spring. And it is owned by the saucer fans of America. We have over $27,000 or better, but now probably, and there's still money coming. And June Ormond told me the other day that the shares now are $10 a share instead of one. So, and December the 5th, no, December the 15th, if I remember right, is a deadline. So if any of you people want to buy shares in it to December the 15th, you can do that. After that, it is closed off and we're going into production. Is that right, Mrs. Frye?

Yeah, it's going into production in December, but the, the 15th of December is a deadline to send in money. Is that right? And if any of you people want to send in any money, you can send it to the Project Outer Space, 5880 Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood 28, California. I am plumb out of all of these. This is the only ones that got left. And if you want to get this address correct, you can come up here and copy it off of this. I want to know, they had already signed up for shares, but hadn't paid their money, and that's still at the dollar a share. Yes. The ones that have signed up. Oh, yes. If you had signed up and put in, sent in your money, that's still a dollar a share, but try and get it in before the 15th day of December. That's next month. And where do you send it to? Your, 5880 Hollywood Boulevard, Project Outer Space. I'd like to announce, too, that next Saturday night, the meeting at the Embassy Hall with Major Aho and Otis Carr

will be in the form of a flying saucer rally. Or spacecraft rally, in which quite a few of the contactees or people that are heading the groups, Gabriel Green will be there, and Orfeo Angelucci, and we've invited Carl Anderson and Dr. Hansel from the Christ Truth Church. And we're hoping to have all of the contactees or people that have magazines or leaders in this field will be guests at the meeting. So let's make it a big flying saucer rally. Let's all turn out next Saturday night. I have to speak at Little Rock, California on Saturday night, but I'll be there right after I get through. It'll be probably 10, 30, 11 o'clock. I'll try and make it up there. Has anybody got a question they would like to ask about this ship? If at all possible, we'll try to answer them. Well, I'd like to ask something about the city that you saw beneath the water. Is that an ancient city? No, that would be an ancient age, an ancient city.

I would say this here building, you probably have been in some of the old cities in Mexico where they had these little dobe houses. Although these were not dobe houses, I don't think. They looked to me like cement probably or blocks of some kind. And there were no roofs on them. They were all flat, not very high. And some of them were a little higher than that. I figured they might be stores. But this city did look like it had slid into the ocean or it might have been built. It might have been built on an incline. Is that a pole? Yes, that is the Arctic Circle. Van Tassel wrote in his magazine that he thought that ship that you had gone on first had possibly came from this planet or maybe Germany. Yes, I've seen that too, but I don't think Mr. Van Tassel really meant anything by it because the government itself, even in this film last Sunday night that they put out, they said the government said that this ship is not any of ours

and we know it's not from the Soviet Union. Really, I don't know where Van Tassel, I hope to get to see him, where he got the information or how he happened to stay there. It crossed my mind too because they all spoke German and high German and that, but they may have, actually they may have been built in Germany. Of course, the only thing that I know that these people did tell me they were from Saturn and they have never given me any doubts that they were. Did they tell you the first time when you went on that first ship? The second time. The second time on February the 5th, I think, that's when they told me they were from Saturn. And it was the same ship that you went on? Yes. No, it was the same people, but the ship that I went to, the Arctic Circle one was approximately 200 feet long and the one at Kearney was approximately 100 feet long. The one at Kearney was more of an instrument ship. It had lots of instruments on it.

Did they say why they spoke German? Do they speak German on the cyber? No, I really don't know why they spoke German, although when I was in the hospital there, my employer flew over and he brought a man from Old Mexico along and he asked me to explain to people what they looked like or what the ship looked like, what the people looked like. And he said as near as he could tell, it was the very same ship that contacted him in Old Mexico and they talked to him in Spanish. At Kearney, Nebraska, that is a German location over there and a lot of people had said that maybe they just speak the location wherever they happen to contact anybody to make people feel at home probably. Oh yeah, I did that. Missed that. I'm sorry. On the way to the Arctic Circle, they said that we know you Americans like coffee and we have came prepared to give you some coffee. I figured they had just a thermos bottle full of coffee. I said, yes, I would like to have a cup of coffee.

This one girl, she got up and she had what I thought it might be a coffee pot she put in some water and she had some coffee there and this coffee happened to be M.J. I don't know what it was. I don't know.

I don't know. That was M.J.B. coffee. That's some of our own coffee and she put this in there and left it sat there and she went on about her work what is she doing there and I thought maybe she's going to get a hot plate or attach a cord to it someway. Pretty soon I could hear the coffee cooking and could also smell it and I said well now what makes that coffee cook like that and they said here again with this very same power that runs this ship that's cooking this coffee a free energy. I said well now this would be the deal for us for us. I would like to have one of those coffee pots and could bring it here and show it to the people where I have been talking. And they said that they couldn't let, I asked what they would take for it, but I could buy this coffee pot. And they said, no, they couldn't let me have this one, but they would bring me a new one sometime whenever they come over here. So, I'm so in hope that soon I will have a coffee pot where we can set it down

here on the table and have coffee. I also held this coffee pot off the table, held it up at arm's length. It still kept on boiling. And the lady said that you could set it on a chunk of ice and it would still boil. This coffee was very good. The first time you had it, you got an accidental contact, do you think, or was it planned? Yes, I always said it was an accidental contact because, in fact, I just happened to run into them, although a lot of the people say this was prearranged by them. Whether it was, I really don't know. They don't know. They never have told me whether they had arranged that for me or whether it was accidental. Most of the people say, no, it was prearranged by these people. On November the 4th, 1957, the day before I actually seen this ship there in the river bottom, this one man had done all the talking. He was sitting there in a Fort Kearney hotel watching the TV. And I mentioned this to the officials of Kearney. And this later on was

revealed to me by these people that he was there in a Fort Kearney hotel. Did you ever find out what the oily substance was? No, I never had found out that when this ship, when we went back out there with officials of Kearney, Nebraska, the sheriff or the chief of police and myself, we did find on these leaves some very greenish oil, sweet smelling and very light in texture. Where this oil really come from, I really don't know. But they did have it in a paper that I said I had seen it leak out of the ship. This I don't even know. I don't even know whether the ship even uses oil or not. But we do not have any oil like this that I know of. So we all did decide that maybe it did leak out of this ship. Later on when I was in the hospital, the officials of Kearney said that they put it out over the air in a newspaper that they had found another can of Vito oil, just the same kind of oil that was out there on the river. They had a half can standing in the trunk of my

car. Somebody did have a half a can in the trunk of my car. They poured it over the ship. They poured it over my laundry, over the trunk of the, in the back of the trunk of my automobile and left part of a can sitting there with a can opener right beside it. You know, if any of you folks use a half a can of oil in your automobile, whether you're using your motor, whether you pour it on the ground, you're going to let a half a can of oil sit in the trunk of your car. They did say over their radio or in the paper, wherever they happen to say it, they said they found the answer to the oil. They found this in the back of my car. It was Vito oil. It had the very same smell that we've, what we found out there on the river bottom. It was green in texture and very light. The Vito company from, the way I understand it, from Toledo, Ohio, after they put this out over the air on a paper, wherever it happened to be, they called them up and said that they sold about 10,000 cans a day and they wanted

them to know that their oil did not smell. So they had to change that. Really where this oil comes from, we did, like I said, we put it in the back of the car. We put it in the back of the car and they picked it up and they didn't have it analyzed in several different places, but what they found, I really don't know. I believe this is more back there. Did they offer any explanation as to why they had Arabic numerals on the instrument? No, they never did. A lot of people have asked me about that, but I really don't know why. In fact, I really don't know if they don't use them kind of numerals, what kind maybe could they use? Mention anything about what the society was like or anything like that?

No, I don't know anything about that. No, I don't know anything about that. No, I don't know anything about that. No, I don't know anything about that. No, I don't know anything about that. Yes, they said something about their, the planet Saturn. They said that their means of transportation or the automobile, like we might call them, they floated above the Earth, above the ground, short distance above the ground without wheels. Also, their trains and their buses or any other means of transportation, they have no wheels on them. And they also told me, they said, we have no sickness there. We don't have no doctors in any kind of smile. And they said, we don't have no taxis either. Okay. The ship, the ship boat by 61st, it says it's been 4,000 feet long. But I don't know anything about that. But he's rather skeptical and he thought they must have made a mistake in that measure, do you know? No, this is a ship, I never seen that particular ship. Whether the one I seen, I couldn't say

whether it's 4,000 feet long, but the government people there at North, at White Sands, New Mexico, I think is what it was. They got a fix on it some way to arm length. They said it's approximately 4,000 feet long. feet long and it is a very long very big ship and this was released taken by the government released by the government as being a true and authentic picture yes

they told me or the second time when they picked me up there to Elm Creek Nebraska I said how come you picked me here on this off-road or do you pick up anybody and they said no we have your brain impulses and we can pick you up any place we want to or know where you're at anytime we wish to I also asked them whether I could contact them they said no they said whenever you need us we'll know whether you were supposed to contact us and we'll contact you like you think don't don't call us we'll call you oh excuse me go ahead go get it

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yes that's what they told me is that if you need if you need us or you know we

know what you want to contact we'll know what we'll contact you because then I think they've got something there because if we could they also told me that there are two thousand other people that they contact course we'd want to contact them all same time they would be quite busy whether they whether they contact these same people I really don't know it could be some different ship yes

yes Yes, this man that done all the talking and was talking to me all the time,

he was at the Fort Kearney Hotel, as he revealed to me later on that he was there. Yes, and when we was in Washington, D.C. there, we was there a week, lectured every evening, and they were sitting in the audience a lot of times where I was lecturing. But they did tell me not to reveal it because it would cause too much confusion. Also in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Chicago, and Philadelphia, I seen them in Oklahoma City, too.

I seen them in the audience. Now we'll get back to it. I wanted to ask, if they indicated in any manner at all that they were going to come and read our numbers, contact more people? I think... If they will, they did indicate that, not in that many words, but they did indicate that they would come back in. And I think in another couple of years, it won't be no, especially when we stop using atomic bombs like we are now, they will be nothing new at all. They will just land any time and talk to us. I want to ask also, did the evidence show that the ice cap on Greenland or wherever you saw these frozen animals, came from... Did it freeze quickly, freezing the animals, you might say, overnight, or was it a gradual thing? Well, I really couldn't answer that, but I have talked to a lot of people that have read up on this ice cap, and they claim this ice cap has been... Oh, it happened thousands and thousands of years ago.

And they claim it just froze right now. It seemed like the... It just turned and they just froze solid, just a quick freeze. And these animals that are frozen, they're just as well preserved today as it was the day, whether it's thousands of years, or 2,000 years. That's true, because it was a tropical one, wasn't it? Yes, it must have been. About a million years ago. Like these polar bears, you could see the color of their eyes, and their fur and everything was just very well preserved. And that walrus meat, too, that was very well preserved.

No, I wouldn't say they got high foreheads. They're just all just built like we are, and they look like us, and they wear clothes. They wear our American clothes. I want to ask this, too. If they're about our size, how did they overcome the very strong gravity on Saturn? It's such a large planet, I don't think that they would have a very heavy pull. No, I asked them about that, and this is one question I might add this time first before I tell you that a lot of people say, well, Len, if you was with them for four days, why don't you ask them a lot of questions? You just don't ask these people questions. Whatever they want you to know, they will let you ask them. And a lot of times, they'll tell you before you even ask them. And I asked them whether I,

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or whether any of these other people here could live there on Saturn. They said, yes, if you have a ship like this, it'll take you through that line of force, then you can live on Saturn, because there's an air up there just like it is here. But do you have to have a ship, something like this, will take you through that line of force, otherwise you couldn't survive when you go through that line of force. What kind of an answer did you give them about the questions that they asked? They... I told them about this, the ship disintegrating like it did. I told them what happened, what was aboard. Of course, they didn't ask me too much in detail as they knew it anyway. And about these other... about the people meeting them on friendly terms. And I did tell them that... I talked to hundreds and thousands of people, and they said that they would like to meet them on friendly terms. And the other one was, how about this atomic bomb, stuff like that.

They said that we would have to work... out amongst ourselves to stop using the atomic bomb. And I think we have really getting down now where we are going to stop this atomic testing altogether. Russia wants to stop it altogether. I also asked them at that time, I said, well, how are you going to stop us from using the atomic bomb? I said, we're very stubborn people, and if we decide that we're going to test the atomic bomb, how are you going to stop us? They said, well, maybe we'll have to do like you people say, just slap one right back in your face. And shortly after that, you probably did hear from this one, was slapped back in the Russian's face, killed thousands and thousands of people. And I have a book that a lady with a nightcap from Washington, D.C. gave me that there were over 15 million people affected by that fallout. This bomb, instead of going up, it fell back over the ground. And right after that, Russia didn't want to stop using the atomic bomb.

Also, they told me the last time, when I was there, we got to talk about these fireballs, where they clean up the atmosphere so it's safe for us to breathe. They said they have a new one now. They drop it from a large distance up. They will use it to cap atomic bombs, but they will also use it to purify the air. They drop it up from a large distance, and it spreads out over thousands and thousands of miles as a big umbrella. So if you see a large fireball falling down to Earth or a big umbrella, chances are you can see it. I really don't know if you can or not, but I think you can. This is nothing anymore than that. They are cleaning the atmosphere from atomic fallout. There's a gentleman way back there. . Pardon me?

Yes, I would say so. They, I think you will, when we do ever get to the moon, you'll see some of our rockets up there on display. . It didn't get up there with our power either. . A lot of these rockets, you know, they'll go up, and the biggest of them will fall in the ocean. Of course, the scientists say it's a mechanical failure. You know our scientists are a lot smarter than that. They might have two, three mechanical failures, but eight or nine in a row couldn't hardly be a mechanical failure, but they do. But white sands are at this, in Florida, whenever they set up any of these rockets, people have told me that they would see a spaceship follow this rocket up and get so far up and pretty soon either the rocket would explode and the spaceships are gone. They, when I was in Chicago, I got quite amused with a paper over there. We lost, I think, our second rocket. We lost it, didn't know what happened to it.

This newspaper in Chicago had a cartoon there, showed two space people sitting up there on their radio and TV, and they had one of our satellites laying there on the floor beside us, beside them, and they said that we just got a message from Earth, they want their ball back.

Pardon me. No, I have, when I heard that I was going to the Arctic Circle there,

I did have a camera in my car with a film in it, and I've got three more rolls of film, and I thought I was really going to take some pictures. I got started, and I asked them whether I could take some pictures, and they said, yes, you can take some, but where's your camera? I said, it's in the glove compartment that I'm doing. They kind of grinned, and they said that I don't think their films would be any good. Although I did take four rolls of these films, they were completely blank. They said the only way you can take pictures of this ship in flight, you have to be quite a ways away from it to get out of this magnetic field. And a lot of people have asked me, they said that they have heard that people who get inside of this magnetic field, it would burn them or harm them in some way. This is not true, because I asked these people, and they said, no, this magnetic field will harm nobody because you're sitting in the magnetic field right here in our room.

Only it's condensed around, their machinery is condensed around the ship so much more that it flies away in. No, I didn't bring any of those back. What was the name of the... UFOs. And that is being released, it will be on a lot of the TV, TV shows here now. In fact, I called the manager of the channel 29 out of Bakersfield. I asked him where I could get a hold of this film, and he told me the United Artists of New York City had this. I wrote to them and told them that I had at least 100 clubs I would like to show this to whether I could lease this film and show it to the people I haven't heard from, no, yet. I don't think this gentleman... Do you have any information about Jupiter? No. No, I haven't. No information at all. I think the little young man back there, yeah. I'm very interested in the... I assume that this is an oxygen atmosphere, is that right? A what? An oxygen atmosphere. You've got me there. I don't even know what that is.

I mean, is this oxygen the same air that we breathe here? The way I understood it, yes, it was. And did they mention... I assume along with us there would probably be winds and rains and so forth and so forth. Well, I really don't know. I'm sure probably maybe that is true, although they didn't tell me anything about that. But they said we could live up there. If we'd have a ship that would take us through this line of force, we could live up there the same as they are down here. And they are here on Earth a lot. I believe this gentleman over here was just laying there. You said they wore American clothes. Where did they get the money and who makes the clothes? Well, I wish you hadn't asked that, but since you asked, I won't tell you. They get a lot of their money. They get a lot of their money from their contactees. I have given them probably $100. And one of the best things I've ever seen... I've never seen people so tickled.

When we went to the Arctic Circle, a lot of people would give me letters to give to the space people. And I had quite a batch of letters, probably 50, 60 letters. And one lady from... I got her address someplace off the east here someplace. She had a $5 bill in this letter, and they were very tickled. But most of the time they get their money what little they do need from their contactees. And you people right here tonight are helping them to maybe get their clothes or maybe buy their gasoline, what little gasoline they do use, and maybe even this coffee that they buy once in a while. They don't need much money. Will they answer the letter? They said they would hope that they could acknowledge every one of them. I have given them hundreds of letters already. I was just wondering, if you wanted to contact them that way, would you give them some information about science, such as a description of a map of the planet or something?

So far, they never have. And whether they have acknowledged any of these letters, I couldn't say for sure. I really don't know. Have you any confirmation or have you heard whether our government has heard and has facts that this atomic energy was exploded from Russia? Do they know what happened in Russia? Yes. I have a book in my briefcase about the atomic explosion or that atomic bomb that did fall back to Earth in Russia. Like I said, it affected over 15 million people. And our government is aware of that? Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Did you report in person to NICAP in Washington? No, I have reported to the Washington Intelligence. You mean about the Arctic Circle? Well, about all of your... No. The first time I've made a grave mistake in taking a report to the officials of the carny. Of course, you know how much trouble I got into there. On February the 5th, when I had the second contact, I did call Washington Direct that time.

When I come back from the Arctic Circle, I wrote to the Washington Intelligence. I don't think that they probably won't even answer because the space people told me they're in Washington, too. And they said, we will know how the government reacted against this. And if they don't want you to tell it in a certain length of time, next time we contact you, we'll tell you all about it. Because they know how the government felt about it. You mean about something that you saw in Alaska? What I saw under the ice cap, yeah. Oh. Have you heard about something that rose out of the water and just dropped in the air? A blank of the same ship? Oh, yes. I know this ship. It was raised right out of the water. It can be used as a submarine, a ship on the water, or a ship in the air. Well, it came over the news and they said it hung with the people. That could have been one of these ships, yes. Because I know they can go underneath the water

and they can raise straight out and fly off into the air. If it can fly like an airplane, do you mean that it has wings that it projects out so that its form would be different or does it maintain its still form? It maintains its form. It's exactly... That same shape? Yes. This is not a picture, an actual photo of the ship, but an artist's drawing. And it maintains this same shape. It's the same shape all the time. Chances are it's the same power that pulls it through the air the same way under the water. Do you know about any craft that would look like a commercial aircraft only larger, be there and then in the next instance it wouldn't be there? No. Of course, this ship alone will... You can see it one second and the next second it's just so fast that you can't see it even... I asked them how fast when they used to tell me that at short distance they were going in an early circle like we were flying 40,000 miles an hour. I said how fast

will this ship really go? And they said speed doesn't mean anything. There's no limit to the speed of it, especially when it gets out in outer space. And I asked them, I said, well, can you explain this a little closer? Just what caused this ship to fly? Because it's just as quiet as it is in this house going straight up or straight down or flying through the air 40,000 miles an hour. You have no safety belt. You're just sitting like you are here on this chair. And they said, well, it's the magnetic field around it. And as near as they can explain they said it's the magnetic field that belted around it and it flies away in. Is that conference being invisible with speed? You said it could disappear before. I really don't know how they disappear, but they have disappeared before my eyes approximately 200 feet up into the air. The one time, the first time there in Kearney, the second time at Elm Creek, Nebraska there. When I was in it,

they said if any of my friends were watching me now they couldn't see us anymore and we was approximately 200 feet off the ground. And then when they left a little earlier and landed and left again they disappeared approximately 200 feet off the ground or approximately that. How do they choose the people? Pardon me? How? That I cannot answer. I really don't know. I believe that gentleman back there. Had you had any flying saucers prior to your first experience? No, I did not. Dealing with the public like I have all my life, you might say, buying grain and vegetables and things like that, I have heard a lot about these flying saucers from other people and from other people that had seen them but I never really believed it, never disbelieved it. Since November the 5th, 1957 they really made a believer out of me. Did they ask you why you were selected? Did you ask them why you were selected? No, I never did ask them but I really don't know

why they selected me. I was very happy buying grain the way I was. But they, I am in it now and I am going to go through it again. Do they want you to go out and talk and lecture about it and talk about it? No, They didn't really say we should but they said you will. Oh. These people don't tell you what to do. They, they just, I don't know how they tell you but you know just about what they want you to do. Well, I thought they know you would. Maybe that's why they selected you. Could have been. I really don't know. These grain impulses that they measure and understand, do they do that at their own expense or do they do that at their own expense? Well, there again I can't quite answer that because I think they have a machine to do that because they asked me or they told me they said if we want to contact you or know where you're at we can pinpoint you just wherever you're at. So they must probably have a machine to do that. I really don't know. Maybe somebody else

can answer that better than I can. Well, the only reason I've seen or I enjoyed the TV very much when we went to the Arctic Circle there, we got our programs as we fly in different places there. Also, on the radio we got our program. I was so in hopes maybe they would tune in and get their programs from their planet but it was always our program. From this planet? Yeah, from this planet. They used that to talk to us. The second time when they contacted me there at Elm Creek, I didn't know just what to do about this. And they said, yes, we know you had a lot of trouble. We knew everything was going on. And they also told me at that time, they said, if they hadn't released you from the hospital a certain length of time, they would have flew over

Kearney, Nebraska to mass formation and made themselves known. After I heard that, I knew you here this evening. But since that time, I have had, maybe it just happened to be that I have had very good luck. I don't think so. I think that mainly they just want this to tell them, bring it out to the people. They shouldn't be panicked in case these would happen to land here in mass formation. I know a year ago now, gee, the people wouldn't, we had lots of small audience, but more and more people are hearing about it all the time. And they also told us, they said, we, you people are doing very good with your lectures you have all over, with your club you're forming, this picture and this picture should go over and it is going over really big. This way, this picture will go, it'll be showed in all the large theaters and the people who have never even heard of a flying saucer before will probably go see this and hear about it. Pardon me? No. Although, when we were talking about this picture

there at that time, how do they contact, in a town wherever I happen to be in town, they just come up to me, knock on a door or meet me on the street or anything like that. They usually know where I'm at. Not only me, but the other 2,000 other contact teachers they have. That is right. I have brought this up and I was talking about it. Of course, these people will not counterdict anybody. That's your own opinion. You can write any kind of book you want, but this one man did tell me, he said, how do they really know that? They've never been up there. What's on the wall? They're blue. They don't paint them. They've done the same thing. I've heard that too. But these people, maybe there are little green men, I really don't know. I have never seen them, but I know these people that I have seen are just like seven with me. They're four men and two women are the only people that I have ever seen. Oh, I wouldn't dare to say that. No, these ladies were very well shaped, very beautiful, although we

have very good-looking women here too. They were of a darkish complexion because if you were riding in that ship, I know when I come out of that ship, my head was, I wasn't even in the sun there, but it seemed like it was well protected but my

whole head peeled. A lot of people have probably seen it over there at the Pleasanton Convention over there. It was very much a tickle that time when this one lady did have five dollars in her. I don't know. You mean do they go back to their planet? Oh, yes, I'm sure they do because they did change ships two different times I've seen and then we've seen this big one there at night when we was up there, we was hanging there in midair approximately five miles high right there in space. I asked them, I said, well, isn't this very dangerous because another one of our ships or a

meter or two or three or four meters away from the city. But where these Russian subs were, I don't think they could even see the city as far as that concerns me. No, these people told me the word. I'm sure there wasn't any Russian or these subs. I don't think so because we were less than half a block away from them and they didn't seem to bother us because we were very quiet there and probably they couldn't contact us.

I really don't know. But we could contact them or they did with their machines very easily. Yes, that's come from SACR. They did that? Yes. And the other question about the ice caps isn't there that it's melting probably because of the nuclear explosion. Is there anything about the danger of another ice agent melting? Yes, there is. The ice has moved and I forgot how many degrees it's off now. There could be another glacial period. It could if it keeps on melting. People have told me the Antarctic Circle is freezing and the atmosphere is going to change. I'm not sure if the Antarctic Circle is freezing and the Arctic Circle is thawing. If it

does that it could tilt but they said we cannot let it happen. No, they didn't discuss that with me. No, they never told me. I did have this here Walton watch on my wrist. When I got this and started after I was off the ship also my battery probably shouldn't tell about this but I'm going to. It's for good. This battery that was in my car, I just had this Buick about 30 days and of course the battery in the car was dead. I had to be towed to a filling station and put a charge on it. The next morning it was dead again. I took it to the plant in Bakersfield and I bought this Buick in Wyoming. I said you adjust your battery here. He said I can't figure this out. He said this water is just water, no acid in it whatsoever. He gave me a new battery for it. Someday I'm going to tell

him that. The battery chances are it kills the battery after it's in it so I put it in the car and it was just a black car on top

of the battery. It looked like a volcano. It couldn't get out of the vents fast enough. Also one of his friends said the battery was in a too long magnetic field. It will kill it there too. They claim that if that force field is on if your planet is in the center of the earth it will kill you. I would say yes. I would say that in time when we're probably I would say ready for they will be here and change ideas with us probably. They told me that they visit over 2,000 planets besides Inhabited? Yes. Inhabited planets. They don't drop dead planets that have no air or what? No. They just told me we visit over 2,000 planets so I'm not sure they have time. Are there all better planets moving around? I really don't know. I think probably we're the worst one. I'm sure a lot of us are ready to go. I know. I like to have a knock on the head but I don't like that. But these people are here to help us not to harm us and they don't want bloodshed or no panic or anything like that. Well, if that's all the questions I want to thank you all kindly for your

kind attention.