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Jim Velasquez At Unit 15

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Recording structure

• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [05:00] Jim Velasquez's main address
• [43:32] Development of the main themes
• [01:27:05] Audience questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

So, I went back out in the yard, and I sat to continue to write my letter and ponder what had happened, what was going on, what did I hear then?

And then it started again. Now, ladies and gentlemen, I want you to hear, thanks to Bill Thompson, who worked practically all day today to take down this music.

He is a busy man. He gets paid well for what he does. A fine organist, as you'll see for yourself. He plays for the Covina Bowl. I've held that note in my mind since, I mean that song, since 1947.

I've hummed it over and over and over to myself not to forget it. It even has a set of lyrics that are very emotional, very, like our up-to-date popular songs.

Please don't laugh too hard, because you broke my foolish heart. The words were spoken to me, and I wrote them down, one right after the other.

But still, I didn't know where it was coming from. Well, that night, when I returned to work that evening, when I started to work at 6 o'clock, we have two more, by the way, on there. One I will sing for you tonight, called Born in a Stable. It's about the Christ. It's truly beautiful. And... I... told my friend about this. He gave me that. And, uh... So we had to go to work. So we were walking up the back way of the... hotel... Well, anyway, this is a place where you walk in to register, and you can go get a sandwich and all that, but the hotel's over here on this side, yet it says hotel out here in front. So, that's why it's hard to talk about it. So we were going in the back way. We were coming in the back way, and as we were walking up the Gilman Hot... Springs near San Jacinto, as we were walking up the back way, this light appears right overhead, a bluish light.

Now, we hadn't heard anything about flying saucers, so I didn't say, ooh, it's an object. We stood there looking at it, because it was close to Christmas, naturally, this was the star that lit the Weissman. And so... Then it disappeared, and so we didn't pay any...

[05:00] Jim Velasquez's main address

We... Now, you know, what was it? Went to work. Well, I pondered and pondered, and I thought about this. What was that, you know? Because I'd seen so many other things before, you know, that now when I saw something... So when I got off work and went into my cabin, we now come to song number two. I knelt down to pray, because I was starting to get worried. The devil was after me, and that's all there was to it. But, you know, I never knew the devil could write such pretty music that could hit Tin Pan Alley. So, I knelt down to pray.

And then, here comes more music. Here it is, ladies and gentlemen, number two. The same day. There's 13 all told.

13 songs. Now, this piece, when I heard them, I heard them played by the same as a symphony orchestra would be playing. It was all like it gets. And, as I hummed them to Bill, it was... Of course, he'd take it down and everything, and then try to put in all that had to go with it in just so much time.

He did. Well, up to then, as I said, I didn't know what was going on. But here, this room was just flooded with this music. Well, then, nothing happened after that. No more music. The devil had gone away. My prayers had been answered. And, then, of course, I was in this automobile. I was in this automobile. Here we go again with tragedy. It was my own fault. I got in the car. Nobody made me get in it. I didn't know it was going to turn over, though. Anyway, I was hurled out of a car that turned over at 75 miles an hour and told by the doctor when I arrived at the hospital that I would be an invalid for the rest of my life.

That I would never walk again. He said, Jim, it's up to you and God. Medical science cannot help you. I'll take you before this doctor any day you want and repeat the words before his face. I said, I will walk in three days. I don't know what makes me walk. God made me say that. Three days. But, I said, three days, I will walk. He says, if you want to, you will. If you want to, you will. I did. Yet, he said that I was paralyzed from the waist down for life. I also broke both of these wrists. Twenty fractures in each wrist and they were going to amputate them. Amputate these hands. You say prayers are an answer. It all depends what you pray for. Don't ask God for money. Ask him for the strength to help you make it. I didn't like that either when I heard it.

So, I'm going to play the last number now. There's still ten more to go, but those have not been recorded yet. This is called Born in a Stable. First, we're going to hear the music by itself, and then Bill is going to play the music, and I will sing the song for you. And that will be the end. They are yours.

Unfortunately, the printer wants to get paid for what he does. Otherwise, I'm going to have to pay for it. Because that's what I want to do. I want to send them to hospitals, to prisons, and everywhere where I can. And unfortunately, it takes money to do anything nowadays, and I'm not telling you anything yet. Here you go. I have here for sale tonight.

But in these books are recorded 400 new proverbs or sayings by our brothers,

the living. The Lord's of light, I have, as I have received them, I have recorded them, and it's taken

over six years, and I've been silent about it during all this time. Now in the little blue book that she mentioned, I had those printed in a hurry so that I could give a lecture in Fontana for 150 people there. So naturally, I walked into the printers and I said, would you print in 24 hours, 150 copies of this? They did. So these are to be printed as simple as possible, as inexpensively as possible by the Curry Publishing Company in Placentia. They're being very cooperative and they're helping all they can. They're printing 300 copies for $25. Now that's correction, the punctuation, and everything. Our brothers right now, they just got through teaching me what the semicolon is. They had to first get me to see the comma underneath the period, and I caught onto what it was, a shorter pause than a period. I'm going to, um... Out of here there's one saying in particular that before I go into the story itself, it

deals with understanding. Understanding is like a star that guides men lost at sea. To save shores that are not far. They got to exist, too.

I'll start it in a little bit. Competition. Understanding is like a star that guides men lost at sea. Two safe shores that are not far, as it has guided me. If I truly understand, no fellow man will I condemn, because he's not as wise as me. Another one of the sayings in these books is, I'm glad that all of you are as smart as I am, or I would have no one to talk to. For do wise men hold counsel with fools? There are two ideas as to what love is. Some say pain, and some say bliss. But there is one version I dare not miss. This, my friends, I do insist. Tell me what your version is. If others have trampled upon your love, don't worry. The more they trample upon it, the tougher your love will become, and the more it will endure. The orchid is a beautiful and expensive and desired flower. But you got to be pretty careful how you handle it, or it'll shrivel up and die. Do not expect anything from anyone at any time, and you won't be disappointed.

This is kind of rough. If men who have faults are no good, then all men, are no good. For all men have faults, as our Lord said. He who is without sin casts the first stone. These are from our brothers. I saw an andraggy crumb twice as big as he, because to him, you see, there's no such word as can't. He cannot breathe. Violence is an unjust arrow, shot by a brave so bold, at a small and frightened sparrow, that now lies dead and cold. That which can, can be proven is enlightening. That which cannot be proven is confusing. Therefore, proof is true knowledge, and true knowledge is true freedom from want and fear. A mature person is a realistic person. A realistic person is one who accepts the facts, especially if he knows he cannot alter them. You think I like reading any of these? To simply accept something as true does not make it true. But to prove it does. There's only just a couple more before we go into the story.

What, what can you substitute for the sun? The same thing goes for the truth. He who looks down, I'm having a hard time learning this one. He who looks down on others has a high opinion of himself. He is like the man who continuously sits before a mirror and tells himself how handsome he is, and then feel sorry for others because to him, they are so ugly. This one I hold very dear, for it saved me much pain. It is not the nature, nor the quality of the acts which you have committed that counts, but the nature and the quality of the state of consciousness that the commitment of these acts has led you to achieve by the grace of God. Oh yes, there's one that reminds me of this. It's not written here. When you're sad and weary, turn to Christ, dear friends. He'll soon make you cheery with the wondrous words he'll send. When his words do come your way, this is what you'll hear him say. I wonder what your cross would weigh.

Well, that's about it on these without going into all of them. There's too many. Although there's just one more. I mustn't let this one out. Patience is that which helps us to help others to be. Patience is that which helps us to be patient with us. In each book there are twenty different proverbs or sayings similar to the ones I have read except that they're all different. Four hundred of them, not two alike. They deal from everything to love, to hate, to vengeance, and to the difference between if you think, then you think, that to think is profitable and to know is unprofitable. For if you knew this, you would know that to know is profitable and that to think is unprofitable. Thus, which of the two would you do? And if you don't know what I know, how do you know that I know anything? So you can't really say I do. Well, I'll start the story from the very beginning. I was in the third grade in the Cypress Street School

in Cypress, on Cypress Street in Orange, California, here. And I had never heard of flying saucers at that age. I was reared in the Catholic Church. I, uh, as far as I knew, that's all there was. And when you're about that high, about all you're interested in is Halloween, trick-or-treating, popcorn and candy. And I was sitting in my desk with my fellow students and our teacher, because in our school, first we had to be taught how to speak English. Thus, in this case, I could understand why, in our school, only our race went. After all, it only made it harder on the other teachers, in other schools, because we didn't understand what they were talking about. And it held the other students back. So, our teacher was up at the blackboard. And she was writing down the words and the letters first. And she'd say, now this is cat-act. Because we used to say, I'm going to go to the store and I'm going to buy a loaf of bread.

You see? So, I was watching her, paying attention, and then I was no longer in the room. I was oblivious to my classroom, yet I did not know this. And I say, if I can put it simpler, you probably already got me anyway. Some would say I went into a trance. I don't know. Because all I know is that all of a sudden, before my eyes opened, what you would call a third-dimensional picture. A living third-dimensional picture in full brilliant colors. It was the same as watching... All right. We make a large square here. It's like the one that's talking to you. So, anyway. Now, you stand back and you can see all of this here, all of this here, that much of the ceiling and this much of the floor, if you stop and look in those directions. But, if what is in there, beyond that deal there, is something else, a completely different world. I was not frightened at what I saw, because during the time I saw it, I was not aware of pain,

of anything, except what I was looking at. There, before me, in space itself, was this large ball. That's what I called it then. Today, I know it to have been a sphere. It was orange, like... Well, like a piece of metal when it's real hot. The same colorings. And, you see, I was looking down like this, but with a certain type of vision, that though it was at a distance, because it was tremendously large, I didn't realize this was a planet that I was looking at. Yet, it was close, but yet, in actuality, it was far away. This is something unusual, that how you can see something like that. And I was looking at all this, because of the beautiful colors in space, and this thing, this ball, is right there. So, while I was watching it, I started seeing some, like, cracks, started running across it, and all of a sudden, I could tell that it was going to burst from within. And I threw as it did. There was no sound of an explosion.

But I threw my arms in front of my face, like this, to shield my face, because huge pieces flew at me. And to me, they were about this size. Yet, in reality, one of these pieces would be probably five times the size of Los Angeles. More than that. A continent. And then, the pieces, of course, when I looked again, you know, nothing hit me, so eventually I looked again, and my teacher was watching all these shenanigans at the same time. But she did not disturb me. She, well, she didn't know what was going on, but she could tell that I was looking at something later on, she told me. Her name was Mrs. Hines. So, then, the pieces began to join back, draw back again to one another. They came right back. But one piece, one piece was hurled out so far that it was not drawn back. Well, then, this ball was no longer there, and now, all that I saw was this big chunk that looked like a big piece of charred earth, just like a big clot of earth.

And it was just rolling like that, just through space, and the bombardment of pressure was causing it, turning it into a sphere. And then, it was gone. Of course, all this, I saw all this within a matter of minutes. Yet, in reality, it would take millions of years. So, then, when that was gone, here was this big sphere, only this time I could see the tremendous size of this thing, and it was covered with a snow, and it had a blue glow on it. I did not realize that was the moon that was causing this glow. Then, the snow melted, because it, as it was rotating, it came into the orbit, orbited with the sun, so that the snow began to melt, and thus came the oceans, the vast oceans. As you know, when a plane goes a certain height in space, it is covered with snow, or some type of ice. And then, that, there were the oceans, and then the scene changed, and I saw the charred, just a portion of charred earth, and it's like a vapor over it.

It looked like you'd say fog, only it was vaporish. And then I saw feet walking towards me. All I could see was from here down, starting at the waist one foot, from the waist down. From there on, that is all that I saw coming towards me in this mist. The person was wearing a pair of golden sandals that were made out of some type of an element that I had never seen before, because it was alive. It was not dead. It was a living element. In the sense, this is living also, but I mean in the sense where you could see that it had life. And there was a color orange working through it. These sandals are a special type of design that once I make a drawing of them and have them copyrighted, not because I want to make any money off them, but because nobody else will do it, unless they're going to use it for a good purpose. You will find, if ever these get on the market, you will find a brand new type of sandal. So, I saw up a little ways a Carmen red robe.

It took me a long time to find that color, because I had to describe it to artists and everything what it looked like. And you could see the folds in it. Well, anyway, the feet were very well made, and I could tell that these were feet of a male. And then finally, of course, as he walked up more, through the mist, there he stood. He stood at least six feet in height. His hair was of a chestnut brown, darker than this table. It was parted in the center, it was combed back like this, and then just worked down to the shoulders. There was nothing dramatic about it. It was very natural. Just laid on the shoulders and probably just came to this part here. I never saw his back. And he had a regular general robe on, except there was no symbols on the robe, there was nothing else, except that this was also a living material. Some living stuff that formed this robe, as if he himself had thought it on himself, or manifested it right there.

It was very well built, like an athlete. Nothing exaggerated. And he had a rope or cord around the waist. This had no beginning or no end. And it was also the same as the sandals. Same material, same colorings. His eyes were brown with a golden light inside of them. He had a stare that would make anybody jump out of their skin. It was a gentle, kind, compassionate stare, but it was a stare that could see right through you like a sheet of glass. As if to say, I know why, when, where, and how. And he stood there looking at me, and then he looked down at the ground. Naturally, I followed his glance. And then I saw a little shoot of something starting to work its way out of the ground. And here comes a yellow-green blade of grass. Then more started just breaking through the ground. Soon there was a large clump of this grass about that tall at his feet in front of him. And then he was gone. Now it was advanced further,

and I saw modern skyscrapers. The UN building. Had I drawn these things for my teacher, she'd have said, oh well, you know, so what? Anything don't exist, see? And you see it before time, you can understand why. They can't accept it. You've seen something ahead of its time. Here was this metropolis. People with cars like you see today and all this. And then it was trance. The scene changed, and now it was the jungle. I saw elephants. All the jungle vegetation. And then I saw, looking down, you see the scenes were changed like shifting slides. I saw parched earth. The earth had become so parched, it was a white-gray with cracks in it. And then I saw two little birds on a branch fall from the heat. Just perish from the heat and fall. Then I saw the elephants hurling their trunks up in the air in agony because of the tremendous amount of heat. And then the fields of grass in the jungle were on fire. Man commenced to dig into the earth.

He started leaving his cities and digging into the earth because the planet earth was on its way to the sun. Have you ever wondered why Mercury is so close to the sun? Earth, as you know... You see then, this wasn't out, but since then I've done research and found that the majority of our scientists are in agreement with this. That the planets are gradually drawn to the sun. Notice the change in climate of earth during the centuries, from the ice age to now. Why are all these planets, these extra planets out there in space? You know, when one house doesn't serve a purpose anymore, or one mansion, it's pretty nice to have another one to go to. Sometimes I wonder if the race to space is not that reason. So, there was man, heading towards the sun, and at the same time digging his way deeper and deeper and deeper into the earth to get away from the tremendous amount of heat. It was too late. He couldn't do anything.

This was a horrible thing to see. Millions of people dying. Agony untold. Well, what you reap you shall sow. If we were to pool everything we have to further... Well, it's an oath. I'm not telling you anything new. Why go into it? I'm telling you everything, and use it for something constructive instead of destructive. You've heard that story a lot. So, that was the end of that. Nothing more happened through the years till I was 15 years of age. I used to take the Bible out of the public library, sneak it out is a better word, underneath my jacket. In America, I took the Bible out of the library without the librarian seeing me, took it up to a hill, and under a large bush where I had trimmed away branches, I read it. America, the land of the free and the brave, and a child reads the Bible hid under a bush. You know, that's a wonderful game to play, kid thyself. Perhaps it is easier than facing reality. Why did I do this?

Because I had been taught that I would go to hell if I did any different. So I read the Bible in fear. But I read it. But nobody ever found out. I wanted to find out, see, why there were so many of them. I wanted to see what the other guy was reading. How come he didn't agree with us? Of course, I wasn't supposed to do this. See, don't ask any questions. Shut your mouth and don't ask any questions. Go sit in the corner and turn your face to the wall. You annoy me. See, don't bother me. Don't bother me. Make life easy for me. Don't ask me any questions. Oh, the devil is going to get you. You know, it seems that it's always trick or treat year round. Everybody thinks, you know, it's like my little niece, she came to me. And she, you know, I'd rather go down fighting than with my tail between my legs. Anyway, she came to me and she says, Uncle, is there really a devil? I said, oh, no. They got her. I says, well, honey, look, I'll put it to you this way.

When is Halloween? She said, on the 31st of October. I said, well, you know, honey, some people think it's Halloween all year round. She says, oh. I bet they won't get their hands on that kid again. These children are not afraid of the dark. These children love God. Because, you see, they haven't been taught that God is a tyrant. You know, if I actually believed that everything I did hurt God, he would suffer 24 hours a day. You know, that's really conceit. That's all it is. I can hurt the great, mighty, omnipotent, omnipresent God. What a horse laugh. Well, you know, remember the two versions about love? So, I went to see the movie Saint Bernadette. And here's Saint Bernadette. See somebody come out of the rocks or something. I was looking at all this. I said, oh, here we go again. And my little friend couldn't associate with me anymore because he was a Protestant. And yet, love your neighbor, love your neighbor.

And so, I'm going through. How can you practice two different things at one time and retain your sanity? You gotta go one way or the other. That's getting ridiculous too, I guess. Anyway. So, I came home more bewildered than ever. And you wonder why I turned out drinking in the long run. Well, you gotta get away from it some way. Everybody's trying to save you, but they never tell you from what. So, go ahead and laugh. It helps me to relax. I'm scared to death up here. So, anyway. I came home and I got down on my knees. I meant it. I wasn't putting on. And I said, oh, Jesus. I had tears in my eyes. I don't care who knows it. It's the truth. After all, what else can I tell you if I don't tell you the truth, except a bunch of lies? What do you want with those? So, I said, Jesus, where are you? What's going on? Where are you? And then I got over it, you know. And I calmed down. And I forgot all about it. And that night, we were in bed.

And my sister came in late from the same movie. And she was going through the room. I said, Charlotte, would you turn the light off? See, we were reading comic books and rather than get out of bed and all that business. Well, as she came back to turn the light off, the curtain, similar to this type of curtain, something caused it to rise up in the air. One of them. Not both, yet the window was wide open. So, you know, what else could you do? What would you think? So, I said, Charlotte, would you mind closing the door, too? Nice servant, you know. Mind closing the door, I mean, the window, too. I said, look, it's going to be windy tonight. She went over. The idea was to get her to that window to see that there was no one standing out there. And then we heard. After all, by the way, I was named Ernest Daniel by my parents and the doctor named me Jim. His son was also named Jim. And so was he. And my person didn't get with me.

I didn't know this until I was 21 that my name was Jim, not Ernest. And then we heard, Ernest, I am, I am here. The voice sounded the same as if it had come over a microphone. I have been given mental tests on this. The complete works even penethal, the truth serum. And the two psychiatrists who gave this test, this is what they said. It's very flattering, although I don't understand what they're talking about. That I'm supposed to have a very rich insight and that had this occurred, what I'm about to tell you, 500 years ago, today the Roman Catholic Church would have canonized me a saint if I hadn't of got out of it. See what I lost? Anyway, no, I'm not picking bones with them. I'm not perfect myself. So anyway, so when we heard this, you know, well, it was powerful. You know, like I said, like it sounded like it came over a microphone. So we ran to the window. There was nobody there. Ernest, I am, I am here.

You know, that made a lot of sense. And then I remembered what I had asked. And I said, oh, no. See, I was young. I could accept the idea that Jesus would talk to this little worm here, see. That it was okay with everybody if our Lord, not our subservient, our Lord, emperor, king, master, teacher, guide, if he decided to come and talk to me, see, it was okay with everybody else. No one was going to object if God decided to do something. I didn't know he had to ask our permission. But you'd be surprised how many people think so. So I, like I said, I was stupid enough to have this. Well, I'm glad I did. And so I said, well, yeah, so he's here. Yeah, where? I don't see nothing. So by now my parents had gotten their divorce. Oh, this is a very tragic story, but I'm not going to go into it. It's the same old thing. I don't know what I ever saw in you, honey. So goodbye and all that stuff. And never mind the kiddies.

Them shiffer themselves. So my daddy picked us up, little urchins, and took us off to El Medina near a hill, the hill where I used to go to read the Bible. This made it very convenient. Well, I was up there one day. I always used to go up there because I could look out over the orchards towards Orange, California, where my mother was. And it made me feel better. Isn't this tragic? It made me feel better. Oh, I used to cry about it, but our brothers always say, Jim, don't dramatize. So anyway, see, I got to tell you something real tragic while I'm smiling. So anyway, no Academy Award. So this made me feel closer to her, even with a pair of binoculars. I could also watch, see if my dad was coming home. And my stepmother. So she was a riot. The game she was playing. Destroy, destroy, destroy. Maybe nobody told her to be constructive. So anyway, I was walking along. And I got something other interesting for you. So anyway.

All of a sudden, I heard music high in the heavens, which I now know is space. They don't fool me anymore because our brothers are the biggest quealers in the universe. Hattertales. They have told me more secrets that have been suppressed. You know, I didn't know that those things shining up there are planets. Have you ever looked at them through a telescope? I wonder what this planet would look like if you looked at it from another planet the same way Venus and Mars does. That's why they're round when you look at them through a telescope. But when you don't look at them through a telescope, they look like all the other stars, don't they? So there I was. And I looked up, you know. And I'm hearing this music. And they were singing the Lord's Prayer. Maybe that was my mind. I don't know. So it was very beautiful. I didn't mind. It didn't bother me any. It sounded like, of course, people say it was the angels. And then everything went dark.

Here we go again with the picture. Only this time there was no square. This time it started like this and down. And here was the same earth that I was standing on. But here was another world all over again. I stood there and yet I saw another copy of me in there. Only I looked different. I looked like me, but different. My hair was a little longer. Oh, nothing clear down to here. I mean just a little longer and just neatly combed. I had on a white robe that looked like it was made out of nice, neat, clean burlap sack.

[43:32] Development of the main themes

You know, nice, thick. Too bad it wasn't gold and all that. And I just had a simple little rope around my waist and a pair of simple leather sandals. And I was standing on stuff that looked like white pebbles. About that size. Just simple white pebbles. Over here were two beds the same width of these tables, only half the length. Something like that. And in these beds were growing these beautiful wax roses. They had a scent. And the funny part of it was they were all colors. Green and brown and orange and everything. And the leaves also were waxy looking. Then to this side was this little log cabin that had been made out of fern wood as I have found through research. And all this green mountain fern growing around there. Tall redwood trees and this opening clearing. Yet there was like a yellow funny mist in the air. Then there was this lake that extended out quite a ways. And these sharp jagged looked like mountains or peaks or hills.

And then there was these streams of clouds like you've seen. Then as I was standing here in my Levi's t-shirt and looking at myself in there. I was no longer standing here. Now I was here shall we say in this body with a white robe and that business. Yet I knew that I was also standing back here looking at me standing over here. I was two people at one time aware of both. At the same time and could see both at the same time from the back side and front. That's weird. Anyway. So while I was standing there it commenced to darken a little bit like evening does. And the mountains in the back became dark. And the clouds you could see like the sun setting with brilliant colors. I didn't know what was coming but I knew something was coming. And I stood there. Then above the water about three or four feet I saw this little tiny spark. Way out there and it was coming towards me like this. Vibrating slowly. Then as it got closer I saw that it was about an object about this round.

And it looked like white cottage cheese. Or the same texture as a Calabaly. I didn't know what it was but I wasn't frightened. I mean I was at perfect ease just standing there looking at all this. Then it burst into many little pieces. They looked like you know how mats will all in one group. It was the height of this door. It was only in an oval manner. And all these little things were just flying in through one another and all that. But they weren't little insects. They looked like little pieces of gold dust. It was living stuff. And as it kept coming it commenced to join together forming a body. You could see the outline of the shoulders, the waist, the feet, everything. The hair, the head, all of this. And it was hazy and still it was continuing to form, continuing to form, then I saw this blue robe coming into appearance until it became a full blue. Then I saw a pair of blue eyes like I had never seen.

And I saw hair starting to come, manifesting. As I've learned these words, manifest and all this. That was all the colors of the hair of the human race. These colors playing in with one another, just working right through the hair, alive. And then the robe went, while this was in the blue robe, there was a light that looked the same as fire, only not like flames, but just like that. They would go out and come in and go out and come in of this personage all around, except that under the feet because he was about this high off the water. And then the blue went to a white robe as the body of the person became complete. And then I saw who it was. It was the Christ. The Christ does sound fantastic. It's not enough with saucers now. It's the Christ. But he did not have a beard. That I could not understand when it was occurring. But I just looked, you know, I was just looking because I was seeing something. I was seeing a person.

You know, the closest thing I've ever been able to match it to is the look on a mother's face when they first put her baby in her arms, her newborn. The way she looks at it. That's the only thing I can compare it to, the expression on his face. I saw a pair of eyes that I had never seen before. Even such love as the song that you will hear tonight that our brothers composed will tell you. I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I've lived a real holy perfect life because of all this. Oh, no, no, no. I'm just telling you what I have seen, what has happened to me. I'm trying. I'm trying to do what's right the best I can. But you know, sometimes you got to go to school to learn how to read and write or you can't. And I stood there looking at him, standing right up there about the distance of this audience. The water. There he just stood. No glow coming out of him, no nothing. And he stood with his hands like this and just his feet close together and just stood there looking just like a true monarch.

As if he had a crown on his head that if he went like this, it would fall off. Not meaning that it would, but I mean just the way he walked like a king, a true king. But so humble, yet so powerful. So I... All of a sudden the robe was gone. It was lying at my feet just like something circular. And the sandals were off my feet. And there I was, no clothing. But I didn't know it. It didn't make any difference. As Adam and Eve, they didn't know either. And I got, stepped into the water and started to swim out towards him. But the water was neither warm nor cold. And it was a heavy type of substance, heavier than water as we know it here. And I swam out towards him and swam around him, looking up at him. And he would turn just as if like he was on something that was turning. And he would look down with a look that, oh, when I came out of that, oh, I was so happy. People kept asking me, what has happened to you?

Why are you so happy? Continuously. All I wanted to do was to go with him. I didn't want to stay here. So he spoke about a few things after he... I mean, he walked on ahead of me. And then, of course, always above the water and above the ground. His feet never once touched the ground. I was asked by 16 ministers after this occurred, did his feet... Where were his feet during this? I said his feet were above the ground. And anyway, I followed him, swam after him. And then... By the way, for those who don't know, it is 9-11. And so this is about to end. Then comes the rest. So anyway, I followed him, see, and then stepped out of the water and then the rope was back on. Everything was done like that. Why waste a lot of time if you can just do it? So I walked on behind him and then walked next to him. And I look at him, you know. Oh, see, what skin. The only thing I can match it to is you take a peach, a ripe peach, firm.

You cut it open. You take the seed out. And then you rinse it with cool water, not injuring it. And then hold it against light. And look at that texture and those colors. That's what his skin looked like. Eyes so blue. And I find that in Timothy... No, Deuteronomy. Blue. And so I... Well, you know, I was there just looking at him. And while I was waiting for him to talk, I was just looking. Then he sat down on a rock that appeared out of nowhere. And he put his head like this. And he was looking off. And there was tears coming out of his eyes. They were dry tears. That you call dry tears. You know, without making any sobs or anything like that. And I couldn't understand why he would cry. It didn't make sense. To me, you know, that Jesus would cry. Although he never said, I am the Christ. He never said, I am Jesus. But you've heard of association. The hair, the robe, and the pictures you've seen. So that naturally made it Jesus for me.

But then again, he spoke of certain things that also made it more to me that it was Jesus. Some of the things he said. That when we take and drive a person. In other words, when you're going to save someone for Jesus, you don't say, I'm going to save you because I like you. But you runt over there. I'm not going to bother with you. No. You know, the name Jesus stands for this. J. Jesus. E. Enjoyed. S. Saving. U. Unwanted. S. Sinners. He said, I came to seek and to save the lost. It is not the whole who need a physician. What did he come for then if everybody was perfect? Really, I mean. So anyway. So hard, you know, you try to take something and it says peanut butter outside of it. And you open it, there's jam in the jar. So, he said that he wanted his body taken off the cross.

To take it off. And not to put him ahead of God. He came to do the will of God. He didn't say, I am greater. He came to lead people to God. Not to. Today, it's everywhere. And it's not his fault that this is going on. But everywhere you turn, there he. It's like taking. You know, it's the same as taking the picture. This isn't going to be pretty. But sometimes you got to. You know, sometimes a little hell helps to push some men into heaven. Anyway, it's like taking a photograph of a dear one who's just been slain in an accident. And pinning it up on the wall. You know, that's a pretty thing to put up. There he lies. Can we find anything better to decorate our walls with? Can we find anything better? I'll give you a picture. I mean, it only cost about 25 cents. The cross is a symbol. I mean, he didn't die. Who ever said he did? Now, I'm getting help from them right now. Who ever said he died? That's a dead man you got hanging up there on that cross.

Don't put up a picture of a dead man or a portrait or a ceramic or what have you. Put up a copy of the live one. He never died. Because if he did, then something's wrong. And then he also spoke about organized hypocrisy. Now, I know what that is because I've been a member of that for a long time. I tell you, I loved you. But don't turn your back. And see, I've been an if-er, too. I love you, if. If. Anyway, when you talk about cancer. So, this business of let us all agree that we are all good.

Fifties say we are all good. Him over there, he's no good. See, because we're fifty and he's one. That makes two rights make a wrong. I mean, two wrongs make a right. Even I'm getting confused with this. Well, I'd like to see the day that one and one makes five. But it can be done. Well, we're either going to practice what we preach or we're going to preach what we practice.

That men may know us for what we really are. That when our true ways be found out, we won't find ourselves alone. What we reap, we shall sow. You know, if doing this is profitable, then God must be blind. And what man is going to tell me if there is a God that he doesn't know what you're doing? You have limited him if you do. We've got to make sense. I'm trying. I don't do too much of it, but I'm trying. It's a little contribution. And I'm not being humble just to be cute. I have been dragged through the pits of hell. But you know, our brothers came along when I was lying in the gutter. And they got down on their knees on the curb. And they extended their hand and they lifted me up to the curb. Well, you know, right now they're lifting me up to the sidewalk. You know, but sometimes it's a pretty heavy load. And sometimes they can't get you to cooperate. What would you do if somebody said to you, Jimmy, what is the sky?

Jimmy, what is the sky? Come on, Mr. Know-it-all, what is the sky? That don't tell us nothing. It used to be don't, and now they say do not. I'm getting English lessons. Finally, I said, well, brothers, bear us all this in action. I said, brothers, it's space. There's no such thing. It's space. Space, space, space, space, on and on. How would you like it if you found out that there's no such thing as up and down unless two objects exist? Where would you say the planet Earth was if it was the only planet and heavenly body in existence? Above what? Away from what? How far from what? How far from nothing? So long as two objects exist, there is distance. Another thing, too, boredom is the father of distance. Were it not for boredom, there would be no distance. You ever gone on a trip and had a wonderful time? You notice how fast you got there? And if you had a terrible time, you notice how the thing dragged out? So, he spoke about these things, about how when we become choosy about who we're going to help, either I've been afraid to, still am, I'm shaking.

I say, well, no, I'm not going to help him because, oh, I might get in trouble. People are going to talk about me. I wonder what would have happened if Christ had done that. Of course, we're human. I understand. I can't throw rocks. You ought to see my glass house. There's so many holes in it already. And so, we're not supposed to single out the person we're going to help. If you're going to do it, do it because you want to, not because you have to. Sacrifice with exceeding joy, with exceeding joy. If you're going to give up something, give it up with a smile and walk around with a smile after you do it. Not like some of these people who say, I've done it. Oh, I went over and helped Mrs. Murphy mow her lawn. I wish she'd mow her own lawn, but I have to help her because I'm supposed to help my neighbor.

No. No, I like my little dog because I want to. He gets on my nerves, but I still like him. Nobody's making me keep him. Nobody made us go get him. You know, stop and take a look. Who is making you do what right now? I don't see anybody holding anybody down. Yet, we can think there is. Anyway, so I found out about hypocrisy, and I didn't know until our brothers came along that I was one, too.

Boy, I don't feel good when they tell it to you, but they're real wonderful about it, but they don't play around. So now, after that, it occurred, the vision continued, and I saw different ones. And in different times, he said different things. Well, I got mixed up in so many things. I got into a club where only people who had seen Jesus could join him. Five bucks a week. I can show you where it's at. And you know, the funny part is, when they walked in, when they walked in, and they shook hands with the leader, I couldn't help spotting that little color green folded in the hand. I love that color, so I couldn't miss it. Even though they had it like this, between the fingers like that, you know, they shook hands with it, and they went, spot it. I'm human, too. But what our brothers have given me, you couldn't buy it. I wouldn't sell it. You know why you can't sell truth? You can't put your hands on it. You can only share it.

And so, I got into, oof, everything from mother is in the room, Jim, and she wants to talk to you, and I couldn't see nothing.

But I'd sit there, and I can really be nice when I want to. You'd be surprised. Hello, mother. And I used to do this, and all of a sudden, I started getting sick. I couldn't understand why. I started becoming ill. A sickness that I had never known before. You know what it was? I was losing my own identity. I was losing my own personality, my own character, my own beingness. You know why? Because when you start doing that, you start playing a game that can only go down, not up.

The day you cannot tell another man the truth is because there's something wrong with him. What kind of people do you humor? Sane people? Reasonable people? Mm-mm. The kind you humor is the kind... Now, look, I'm not throwing any rocks. I've had them do it to me, and I loved it. Oh, Jim, you're so handsome. Thank you. I never said... Thank you. I knew they weren't telling the truth. I've got a mirror. So, anyway, somebody comes in, you know, and says, How do you like my new $10,000 ring coat? And they show it off, you know. All the time, you know, it's rabbit. Why don't you tell them it's a nice rabbit coat, and let the chips fall where they may? What's the matter? Are you going to find out that the so-called person... I mean, this person that you think is your friend is not your friend? What often seems to be isn't. The difference between I thought and now I know. And friends are not what you think. Friends are not what you think.

A friend is what a friend is. Unless you can mold them over. That is, if you're playing the game of control. Controlling other people. We can do a lot of things without knowing it. Well, so I found out about this. Then I went to the priest. I said, Father, I told him what I had seen. He says, oh, you are playing with fire. And I said, ye, they're going to burn me at the stake. Boy, I was going to be a martyr, a great hero. But I didn't like that, see, because he wasn't being nice. He wasn't quite... He brought his marbles, but he wouldn't play. And so I said, well, look, I couldn't. I can't help it. He comes in front of me. What am I supposed to do? Jesus, go away, go away, go away. And he says, well, why didn't I see him? And I swear as to what I am now saying. Why didn't I see him? I, who am holier than you. This business of I'm holy, I'm pure, I'm better than you are. You know, he who is willing to wash his neighbor's feet

voluntarily lacks conceit. So anyway, there I sat, the little worm, you know. And I don't worm anymore, though, thanks to our brothers. Because they said, Jim, who is more important than you are? And prove to us that you are more important than anybody else. I haven't answered them yet. So I went from one minister, one church, hither and yonder, trying to find out what happened. What was this that I had seen? And I got this and I got that. And on some I got agreement. And on some they said they saw that I had seen him in his glorified state and all this. But some didn't like what I said. The priest got mad because I wouldn't say that Jesus had said that was the right church. See, I didn't know what he was up to then, but I do now. Boy, that sure could have been useful. Why, local boy sees the Christ on the front page, as you know. And hoo-la-la, we got a new saint on our hands. We're going to do that. I'm not knocking them.

I'm just telling my story honestly. And you can't tell a story truthfully by sparing anybody. I'll try and be as nice as I can. There we go again. Anyway, that was over. And life again became normal. I was running around just like anybody else. I wasn't seeing any things and hearing any things. And in time, I forgot about this. Not never really in my heart, but I did. Now we come to 1947. Now come the saucers. Now comes the music. But still I had not heard about Kenneth Arnold and what he saw. I didn't read the papers at 18. I was too busy looking at other things. And see, you shall find. And... You see, I love Christ. And I know he's not going to hurt me. He understands if he doesn't. So anyway, I went to see my grandmother because I was working at Gilman Hot Springs Health Resort near San Jacinto, near Hemet, near Mount Idaho. And I had about three hours off during the day. Then we'd go back at 7 o'clock until 1 in the evening.

Fountain work. And we'd chitchat a little bit. And she'd get tired of hearing me. And I'd get tired of hearing her. And anyway, we'd part very nicely. And she'd do what she was going to do and I'd do it. Nothing else to talk about. Especially when you see somebody every day. And so I went out in the front yard. And I sat down to write a letter under a shady tree. And then something really happened. I heard music come right out of the air. Like a full orchestra. And I brought it with me, by the way. Like a full orchestra playing in a big auditorium with a symphony orchestra. And like you'd be sitting right in the middle of the orchestra. And yet it wasn't loud enough to hurt your ears. Well, the music was so beautiful. You know how you first hear something on the radio. And you like it. And you stop to listen to it. It's a new song or something. So I thought my grandmother had the radio on. Very natural. I didn't say, oh, I'm hearing something coming out of the air.

Oh, it's a spook. Oh, it's this. You know, right away. Assumption, assumption. So I went in and then it stopped. You know how sometimes they start to play a song. And then they stop playing it. So I went in and I said, grandmother, I said, what station was that you were listening to? So I could, in other words, I could find out what the song was. I just liked it that much. By the amount that I heard. And she said that she was not listening to the radio. And she told me in plain English to get out because she was having her siesta. She was sleeping. Trying to get her afternoon rest. Grandmother does not fool around with us. When she says go, she means go. She doesn't mean maybe. She means no diplomat. And so I went back out into the yard. You know, I couldn't get her to understand how much I liked the music. She says, I did not have the radio on. Touch it, it is cold. And I said, maybe it was the neighbors. She says, Ernest, get out.

She says, the neighbor is at work. I said, grandmother, I heard this music. And it was out in the country. No cars, no nothing. And she says, are you going to start that crazy stuff again? I says, no, grandmother, I heard this. She says, I heard it. Of course, I've always treated her with respect. She is a wonderful woman. Go see for yourselves. I'll give you her address. Well, before you do, though, I've got to cut in just for a second. This is funny. These people came to visit her and they came to save her. And they were shrieking and hollering all over the place. Ooh, Lord, and this and that. And she got up and she says, what's the matter with you? Do you think the Lord is deaf or what? Because you see, one time, grandmother, when they were living far in the remote part of the country, twelve disciples came to see them with beards and long hair and robes. Until one of the disciples pinched one of the next door neighbor's women.

And that was the end of the twelve disciples. And grandmother became awfully foxy after that. So, I went back out in the yard. And I sat to continue to write my letter and ponder what had happened. What was going on? What did I hear then? And then it started again. Well, now, ladies and gentlemen, I want you to hear thanks to Bill Thompson, who worked practically all day today to take down this music. He is a busy man. He gets paid well for what he does. A fine organist, as you'll see for yourself. He plays for the Covina Bowl. That's a very nice place, a beautiful place.

I held that note in my mind since, I mean that song, since 1947. I've hummed it over and over and over to myself not to forget it. It even has a set of lyrics that are very emotional. Very, like our up-to-date popular songs. Please don't laugh too hard Because you broke my foolish heart Very pretty. The words were spoken to me and I wrote them down. One right after the other. But still I didn't know where it was coming from. Well, that night, when I returned to work that evening, I went to start to work at 6 o'clock. We have two more, by the way, on there. One I will sing for you tonight, called Born in a Stable. It's about the Christ. And I told my friend about this. He gave me that. Look. And so we had to go to work. So we were walking up the back way of the hotel. Anyway, this is a place where you walk in to register and you can go get a sandwich and all that. But the hotel is over here on this side. Yet it's this hotel out here in front.

So, that's why it's hard to talk about it. So we were going in the back way. We were coming in the back way. And as we were walking up Gilman Hot Springs, near San Jacinto. As we were walking up the back way, this light appears right overhead. A bluish light. Now, we hadn't heard anything about flying saucers. So I didn't say, ooh, it's an object. We stood there looking at it because it was close to Christmas. Naturally, this was the star that led the wise men. And so, then it disappeared. And so we didn't pay any... You know, what was it? Went to work. Well, I pondered and pondered and thought about this. What is that, you know? Because I'd seen so many other things before, you know. Now that I saw something... So when I got off work and went into my cabin, I knelt down to pray because I was starting to get worried. The devil was after me, and that's all there was to it. But you know, I never knew the devil could write such pretty music

that could hit in Pan Alley. So, I knelt down to pray. And then, here comes more music. Here it is, ladies and gentlemen, number two. The same day. By the same as a symptom to Bill,

it was... Of course, he'd take it down and everything, and then try to put in all that had to go with it in just so much time. But he did it. Well, up to then, as I said, I didn't know what was going on. But here, this room was just flooded with this music. Well, then, nothing happened after that. No more music. The devil had gone away. My prayer is to pray that the devil doesn't come after me. The devil had gone away. My prayers have been answered. And then, of course, I was in this automobile accident. Here we go again with tragedy. It was my own fault. I got in the car. Nobody made me get in it. I didn't know it was going to turn over, though. Anyway, I was hurled out of a car that turned over at 75 miles an hour and told by the doctor when I arrived at the hospital that I would be an invalid for the rest of my life. That I would never walk again. He said, Jim, it's up to you and God. Medical science cannot help you.

I'll take you before this doctor if you want to repeat the words before his face. I said, I will walk in three days. I don't know what made me say that. Three days. But I said three days. I will walk. He says, if you want to, you will. If you want to, you will. I did. Yet he said that I was paralyzed from the waist down for life. I also broke both of these wrists. Twenty fractures in each wrist and they were going to amputate them. Amputate these hands. It all depends what you pray for. Don't ask God for money. Ask him for the strength to help you make it. I didn't like that either when I heard it. You know, it's a lot easier if you can get out of it. So anyway, so nothing, nothing, nothing until I met Calvin Rowe. What kind of a man will expect from others what others cannot expect from him? Well, that's what they teach you to do. They help you to help yourself. They have said to me, Jim, do not become dependent on us.

If you can find some of the answers on earth, find them. Go, find them. When you can't, we'll know whether you're telling the truth or not and then we'll help you. So I scoured through the dictionary when they use a word that I can't understand because if I don't, they're not going to help me. The contact is open 24 hours around the clock. Well, when was the last time about 10 minutes before I came here?

I shouldn't be afraid of you. You see, we think,

when are they going to believe me? When are they going to be like me and say, I don't believe a word he's saying? So, they said, Jim, what are, what is there to fear? I said, what is there to fear? I said, I pass. Jim, what is there to fear? Well, I've been here since about 8.30, I believe, and nobody's bitten me yet. So I was thinking, wasn't I? Assuming. We get the idea that because one person does something to us that everybody else is. Well, right now I'm still a student. Be ye not impatient with a student for he is still learning. But if you would be impatient, be impatient with the masters who practice not what they would have you practice. Or are they students? Also in disguise. I am just, I just got out of kindergarten, and I'm in the first grade. I'm learning about stuff that takes hours. I don't mind. I enjoy it very much. Because when they get through, you know that what you know, you know. You don't think you know it,

you know it. Because you can stick it under a microscope. The first thing our brothers told me when they really started in was this, Jim, and they said, do you really want help? And I said, yes, brothers. Are you willing to work for it? Yes, brothers. Are you willing to fasten your safety belt, grit your teeth and grin and bear? Yes, brothers. It's going to be tough, Jim. They have their reasons why they talk the way they do sometimes. Do not feel too badly because you did not receive prize packages for parents. What kind of a prize package are your children going? Did you say nay-nay to temptation when you were 19 years old? Have you always resisted? No, brothers, no, brothers, no, brothers. I walked in, I hugged my mother, and I said, hi, I'm glad to meet you. I'm glad to know you're not a god and you're a human being. She's rested ever since. I don't want to look at my own. You know, like I told you, I want to understand why

the next-door neighbor's husband tried to beat her to death. I want to understand why the woman over here left her children abandoned to go off with another man. I want to know why, why somebody would get drunk and drive down a highway and kill somebody else. I want to know why somebody would take and slit his wife's throat and kill his three little children because of jealousy. I want to know why, why when somebody does something to somebody, why the first impulse or what have you is to also do something wrong to that person. I want to know why. Well, it takes time to learn. You know that I understand more now what the Christ was talking about than I have in all my 29 years. I'll be 30 November the 8th. And I have asked questions of hundreds of people how come this and how come that, how come that, go away about it. Well, our brothers answer them. But you know they go by one to me is one of the greatest of all sayings.

A wise man will not lead others to the threshold of his own wisdom but will lead them to the threshold of their own wisdom. Like I said before, I'm glad you're as smart as I am or I would not have anybody to talk to. If I didn't believe or have enough faith to believe what I was talking about, I wouldn't bother talking to you. Which means you're just as smart as I am. It's already inside of you or you wouldn't comprehend it. But with me, see, I'm not trying to say that I'm sitting here real humble-like and saying, well, you know, I've done this and I've done that and now this and that. It has not been easy. It is not easy to look at ourselves. It is not easy to look back at all the people we have hurt in our life, that we have used, because we go through life, oh, everybody's cruel to me and everybody does this to me and everybody does that to me, but when do we ever say, I did this to him, I did this to him, I did this to him?

That's a different tune. Just like one of the songs says, I'm the lonely fool, but I'm the one to blame. A new trend, a change. Well, I know now why I lost as many friends as I did. Why they got tired. Thanks to our brothers. There's no more of that. But it takes time. It's not enough just to repent. You've got to know how. Somebody's got to show you how. You just don't say to somebody, repent, stop. Do you say to somebody, stop having cancer? Do you say to somebody, now that you've got polio, stop having it? Help them to stop it. Be sure that you have stopped yourself before you've had it. How can you do it? How can you help another to take the moth out of their own eye if yours isn't clear to see? Well, I've got an awfully dirty backyard and it's going to take a lot of hard work to clean it up. But by helping somebody else to clean up their backyard, that's not going to clean up mine. And whose problem is my backyard anyway?

That's my problem and that's his problem. What are you doing with other people's problems?

[01:27:05] Audience questions and closing discussion

It's unfortunate that I was reared in the environment that I was reared in as a child. But that's the way it is. I've as-is-ed it. That's the way it is. It's too late to do anything about it. I used to hear a woman holler. Nobody ever paid any attention. I used to hear her body when it hit against the wall. I used to hear that strike that made me shudder. I used to see parents beat their children when they looked like little mop dolls, rag dolls. Yes, I've seen them go hungry and nearly starve to death. I've seen mothers do certain things to feed their children. I've seen a lot of things. Tijuana has nothing on the environment that I grew up in. But I have kept on fighting because I believe that so long as you keep trying, nobody can condemn you, but they sure can when you stop trying. This business of, I didn't want to get you any place. I did that for a long time. Our brothers are not here to pamper me. They are trying to help me.

And seeing a ship, in my case, is not going to do the trick. I want my faith to be real. I do not want to be encouraged in that. Let me work for what I get. Please. That's what I'm trying to say. I know what you're asking. I've been waiting for it. I've been waiting for it.

I've been waiting for it. I've been waiting for this. I now have a question for all of you. I have retained it until now. How do you re-listen to music that you have heard? You know you can do that and stick your fingers in your ears at the same time and still continue to hear it? What do you use to hear it? Do you know that you can go back and look at the house that you lived in when you were a child? What are you using to look at it if you can do that with your eyes closed? Look at a horse that you have already seen, not imagined, and tell me how you can see that. Put an elephant right here. Put the head of an elephant right here. There is no elephant's head there but yet you can see it. How did you do that? How can you see it? There's nothing there. What are you looking at? How can you see that elephant's head even after you close your eyes? If you're not using your eyes and you can only see with your eyes, how can you look at your mind

with your eyes closed? Answer that and I'll tell you how the brothers talked to me. I can put a rose right here. Oh, no, no, I'm not going to start playing harder games. I can see, re-see, from memory, a rose. I can re-smell it. I can re-touch it. I can even put my finger against that thorn and I can feel the pain because I like roses and I only remember what I want to remember. There is no such thing as a bad memory. I stay away from people I don't like and I don't remember what I don't want to remember. I don't eat what I don't want to eat and I don't go where I don't want to go. Does a dumb man, a man that cannot talk to God right now without you, when we pray, how many times do we pray without opening our mouth? You're riding in a bus and you don't want people to hear you so you talk to God? You believe He's going to hear you? How? Are you far away? Yet, we're also told He's right here. I don't see anything that I'm willing to go along with you.

Scientists have asked this question. The doctors asked it. They said that this was something supernatural. I said, I don't know how. I've been asking them the same question. How? How do you do it? But the important thing is that they do it and it has helped me. But it can also help others. Whenever you dislike someone, just ask yourself what's wrong with them over and over and over and answer it every time and you're going to find out you end up liking them. Yes? No, that question has been asked too. Remember when they picked me, I told them to go away. Because I... No, if I put it this way, it's going to come out another way. If I say, let's say that it was because I wanted help. No, a lot of people want help. Let's say that I was willing to be a good guinea pig to prove something. That insanity is misinterpretation. You better look back at all the interpretations you have of everything that has occurred in your life and make sure that you're not carting around

a childhood interpretation. Stand back, look at your childhood life and reinterpret it as an adult. Look back at what you saw and reinterpret it. When the business of the woman that was being beat by her husband. They said, Jim, you are going by an interpretation of something you saw that you made when you were a child. Oh, no. They said, now stand back, look at that again, now interpret it. Now. At this age. And I did. She must have loved him or she wouldn't have stayed there. She must have liked it. This is America. She didn't have to stay there. I used to see her go downtown, everything. She didn't have to come back. Why did she? That's what I want to know. My mother's girlfriend, lady friend, companion, spent two years in the tuberculosis ward. Her husband beat her so badly. Orange County Hospital, Orange, California. She ended up in the TV ward. And even after all this, he nearly killed her very mother. Threatened her life with a gun.

And still, I love him. Please, don't tempt me. What's wrong with this girl? Maybe she has a scarcity of games to play. Maybe she believes that there's nothing better. There is a reason why she loves him. Says she loves him. There is a reason why she puts up with all those beatings. Masochism? What's that? Sadistic? Sadist? What's that? You're going to have to give me a dictionary and you're going to have to help me to understand what you are talking about. When I first heard, this is true, I'm not being deliberate on this, when I first heard the word psychic, I pronounced, I saw it in writing, I pronounced it physic. I didn't know that the word psychic meant spirit and that the word psychic comes in front of the word psychiatrist. Spirit. They deal with the spirit of man. Have you ever looked up the word soul in the dictionary? It means mind. Have you ever looked up the word mind? It means soul. I thought it was something

I had running loose inside of me and they kept cutting you up and they can't find it. So Webster says one thing and then this one over here says one thing and this one says one thing and you start off from a little kid and you end up with a big garbage can and this is this. It's the next door neighbor's brother. How did it get on that wall? They put it there. Whose wall is it? My wall. Are you sure? Well, let's see you take that calendar down and take it back and put up the one you want. But if I do, they're going to get mad that it's not your wall. You just think it is. That's right. Each one of you has a mind. Take it out and look at it. I knew a girl that was afraid to cut her hair because mama would turn over in her grave if she did. Get somebody to think what you want them to think and you are controlling them even if they are 3,000 miles away from you. You know why? Because I've got a little dog and when I say bye

he says woof and I put the harness on him and the leash and I better take him bye because the next time I say bye he's not going to come. So I tell my parents please do not show him the harness nor the leash if you are not going to walk. I'm trying to train him to bring his own leash and little things like that. Alright. It's the same thing with a child. You keep promising a child a certain something for Christmas and that child don't get it. It isn't going to be long before you're going to have a sick child on your hands. Christmas is going to mean only one thing to that child. Emptiness. Nothing. The experiences that we have in our lives are supposed to be educational not detrimental. It has been said it is human to err and divine to forgive but who is divine and who is human? This we also say to you it has also been written that by their works you shall know them but this we also say to you he who has learned a valuable lesson

from his trials and his mistakes and put no he who he who has not learned from his trials and his mistakes is lost but he who has and puts this valuable lesson into a profitable practice is not only wise but indeed divine. If you have learned what it feels like to be hurt really, really learned that and you never go around hurting anybody else intentionally and you're honest with yourself when you say I didn't hurt him intentionally what else can an angel be? You have to glow to be an angel? Who wants to glow? You've got lights. So I want to know why. See? So that answers your question as to why I have never seen them because I believe that first things first.

I decided to hitchhike rather than wait two hours here comes Kelvin I'd never met him before. He only lives a block from my grandmother. I didn't know him. He starts talking about a man named George Adamski that had a boat that saw something come out of the sky and took a picture of it. Well, I always knew me. There was people on other planets. I had Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon and all that stuff. So I told him about my vision. He told me about the flying saucers. I liked him. Right off the bat. Those big birds of a feather flock together. Kelvin, don't sue me for that. Whatever you do. I said I was crazy too. Anyway, I know Kelvin too well. He would never do a thing like that. And so we got to the house and he brought out this book The Flying Saucers of Landon and he opened it up and here's a picture of an object of a thing that came from another world. Goody, we had won. Like a football game. So anyway, without any cheerleaders

and we went up to see George. He wanted George to hear about my vision and I wanted to hear about the saucers. He had met these guys and they looked just like the one I had seen. The hair, except for this outfit, ski outfit. Went up to see him. George didn't say exactly what I wanted to hear but then I didn't tell him what I wanted to hear so he said what he wanted to say. Then I was an iffer, you see, that's what he said. George did not. How can I put it? I mean, he didn't kiss my hand. And so he sat there smoking a cigarette, drinking a can of Lucky Lager and I said to myself, oh my God, see how much I drank it would make George look like a biker. I said, this guy, you know, what is going on here with a can of Lucky Lager in one hand and a cigarette in the other and he's going to save me. If you add up the faults of another to gain the sum total of your own, try it. But you know one thing about this, I've always been able to tell him

exactly what I have to say to his face. That's why I'm not afraid to meet him face to face because I've always told him what I have to say to his face. How's nice about it? He better be. So I didn't believe anything he said but I wonder if he believes what I have to say too. I don't agree with Truman, but when he was in Arizona and needed help, I went. I don't draw the line. In other words, just because you don't do what I want you to do that doesn't mean I don't like you. If you let me be, I'll let you be. So, my story sounds just as weird as theirs does. So anyway, now I got into flying saucers. And then came this story and then came that story and then I got into it. I was walking to see this guy named Henry Munt near where Calvin lives. I was going to tell him what I thought of him in his lecture. And then out of the air comes a voice and it says, Jim, I've gotten used to this business, you know. Nothing, nothing. And then it started to tell me

who it was and what it wanted. I says, you get away from me because you want to make me real holy and I know you. I don't want to be holy and I don't want to be spiritual. You leave me alone. We want to help you, Jim. I said, oh, no you don't. I know, I know what you're up to. See, it was what I had heard about them. They were around like this all day long. They never do anything because they never open their hands. So, I wanted nothing to do with them. I had dug my ditch and I was going to lay in it. The bridge wrongly rebuilt, the bridge rightly. It doesn't do much good. The bridge is built and that's all there is to it. So, I told them to leave me alone and they did, they did. Well, I went on. There we were sitting with Henry. We had to sit in the car because his parents didn't want anything to do with flying saucers and yet there they were sitting on the lawn listening to everything we were saying and they played deaf half the time.

Apparently, I was in show business and I wanted to write like Gregory Peck, you know. So, I was practicing with my name then it was earnest. Then I heard write E-T-H-E and at the same time my hand moved and I wrote E-T-H-E. I didn't know what it was. It wasn't Spanish and it wasn't English. I'd never seen that word before and I didn't have a dictionary with me. So, then I got enough nerve and I asked Henry if he'd ever seen it and he asked me where I got it from and I told him. He said, you're crazy. I said, what do they want with me? I didn't tell him about what had just happened. I knew better. And so I tore it up, threw it out the window. So, he got a piece of paper and he wrote it down. I said, what are you going to do with that? He said, I'm going to find out what it means. So, then I said, well, now Henry, if they're talking to me, why don't they also tell me what it means? He said, oh, they will, they will.

All the time I said to myself, boy, you wait until I get away from you, I'm going to look it up too. So, I went to the people in Homeland and as we drove into his driveway to get some water in the car, I heard you will find it in the Bible. And I said, ha, ha, ha, you think I'm going to dig through the whole Bible looking for one little word? They took me for granted. So, I told Henry about it. He was going to look at the Bible and I saw Henry with real red eyes, oddly thick. So, I had a long ways to go too. So, anyway, as we went to see these people and we talked with them and all that stuff, they'd never heard of the word either. Then I told Mrs. Rowe about it. She'd never heard of it. I mean, she's had a wonderful education, she's a marvelous typist, something that our brothers are teaching me to be right now because I type with one finger, now I can use both. And so, she didn't know about it. Well, later on, she contacted me

and told me she had found the word because she had been sent a little directory from the Owospe Bible Publishers. And in there was the word E-T-H-E. Boy, was I glad. I had not imagined it. It was not a figment of my imagination. Thus opened a world for me called the Aetherian world. I started going through dictionaries to find out how you pronounce this word. Well, after I had scoured and scoured and I found 23 different pronunciations and spellings for it, I didn't know what I was getting into. But I sure don't regret it. And then, I found out that the word E-T-H-E was actually the word that came out of my mouth. And then, then came the thing of old. They said, Jim, look up the word Aether. And I did. Now remove the R. I did. I still can pronounce it. Now Jim, pronounce the word with the R back on it. Back attached to it. Aether. Now take the R off. I'll tell you what I said after that occurred. Out of the valley area. We were sitting, eating cake and drinking coffee.

I'm smoking a cigarette. By the way, today I'm supposed to have been cured of smoking by our brothers. During the time I've been talking to you, I haven't even thought of one. Yet I've smoked since I was 11. Of course you can't prove the other part that now you're squealing. And about the age part. So, that's because I want to. If anybody else wants to, it's okay with me, if it's okay with them. I'd be a fool if I'd go over and help him run his business. Tend to his business. Mine wouldn't last very long. That's what it means by mind your own business. So, So then, well, I heard, I lit a cigarette and then I heard, Jim, put out your cigarette. I thought, why did I tell myself to put out a freshly lit cigarette? And I was so far from the story. I wasn't about to. So I just went on smoking and just pretended like I wasn't hearing anything. They were back again. Jim, put out your cigarette. But yet there was, there was, you know,

just like a parent will talk that way to his child, but that doesn't mean he hates him. He's being firm. Direct. Down to the point. Get down to the point. So anyway, not a bad idea. So anyway, I heard again, Jim, put out your cigarette. We are going to give you a message and we want you to write it down. Now had they put it in any other way, I wouldn't have understood. I had to talk in my own idiom. This is what they said. I have memorized it trying to break it apart. Recently, I have deciphered several parts of it. This is going to sound blasphemous at first. That's what I said when I first got it. We are God. Come to help mankind. For in helping mankind, we help ourselves. For we are one. Due to pressures in the atmosphere, we too must travel in ships. Our ships are created with different materials than yours, due to the fact that we have different materials on our planet than you do on yours. When you, the people of Earth,

are in danger, we are in danger. It's taking guts to repeat this. Your destruction is our destruction. Therefore, fear us not, for we are one. In other words, what harms us can harm you. If you will only think of us and yourselves, it is proper to think of the other person first. As when you pour two glasses of water into one, you have us and yourselves. We do not come to you, you do not come to us. Put if in front of you. If we do not come to you, you do not come to us. If we don't let you know about us, how are you going to know we exist? We are not foreigners, no more than you. Aren't we all citizens of space? What's the difference with planet Charan? You are all citizens of space, especially when you have interplanetary travel. We are always present in your being. You tell me what being is and you will know where they are present. When I am repeating this to you, it is the same as if they are repeating it themselves.

We are always present in your being. This belief creates a beam of energy, created of living energy, called faith. Our outer features are different from yours. Oh, I'd like to see the pictures you are looking at right now. But we have the same God that you do. First they say they are God, and then they say we have the same God that you do. You break it apart. Don't look at me on this one. To communicate with us, believe you are with us. Now if they are always present in your being, and you can prove this to yourself, then you will have proven to yourself that they are with you. Has it not been written that you are the temple of God and that God dwells within you? How? Well, now let's go on to them. So then it says, yes, that last part, to communicate with us, believe you are with us. And then there was something else which is personal, pertaining to another person. It was for me anyway. And then they said we have spoken,

and that was it. They were saying their title as the living lords of light. And boy, they have got a lot of it. A lot of it. Well, there is so much involved in this, ladies and gentlemen, covering six years of the time since I have known of them. All the sayings that have been recorded, and still there are five hundred and sixty more to come. There is supposed to be one thousand all told. Fifty volumes with twenty sayings in each one. So far, that's how many, past the four hundred mark, heading for the five hundred mark. Men have read this in all walks and fields of life, from scientists to doctors, from laymen to what have you, from patients and mental institutions, prisoners. I have seen the wealthy men read these books. Truth is for anyone. I don't care who they are. It's an outfit that anybody can wear, and it really isn't as tough to wear as we think it is. Another thing I want to bring up, if clothes make the man, let us all dress better.

So now, since it has come to this point, ladies and gentlemen, I wish I could go on further, but there is one more song we have for you to cover a lot of this, but it does go deep and it covers a lot. Anyway, the word ETH, by the way, before I leave. The word ETH means unrestrained. It means easy. A person who can go through life without phobias, neuroses, compulsions. Oh, if I don't smile at my neighbor, they're going to throw a rock at me. The guy who can walk by and say to his neighbor, I still like you, but I'm not going to smile at you because I don't want to. Now, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but let's see you make me do it. Don't get the idea that I have to smile at you all the time. John, please. I get tired of it. Hello, John. Because John might think you don't like him and that's a sign that you like him, even if you don't. So, that's what it means. A person who is living his own life

and not somebody else's. Now, why would anybody want to do that? Because he doesn't like his own. I've done it. So, anything I'm talking about, I've done myself. That's why I know what they're talking about, my brothers. Anyway, that's what this is here that I've got on my dog tags. I'm in the service again. Mankind. I'm going to play the last number now. There's still ten more to go, but those have not been recorded yet. This is called Born in a Stable. First, we're going to hear the music by itself and then Bill is going to play the music and I will sing the song for you. And that will be the end. Unfortunately, the printer wants to get paid for what he does.

Because that's what I want to do. I want to send them to hospitals, to prisons, and everywhere where I can. And unfortunately, it takes money to do anything nowadays and I'm not telling you anything yet. Here we go. Tell me how long you want.

About the most comfortable

that I've been able to make that statement for myself so far is that your features are different from mine. In other words, you have a nose, too, but it's not exactly like mine. You follow what I mean? No, no, no. No, I mean, if I said to you that my outer features were different than yours, I would be telling you the truth. They are different. But to what extreme? To what degree? You follow what I mean? When I first heard that... Yes, our outer features are different from yours. But you see, when I first heard that, I also thought that they might be gross-stick looking. And then as I worked with it, I came to the point where I noticed that a feature... This is a feature. All right. It's different. One of my outer features is different from one of your outer features. See, to what degree they haven't said. You follow what I mean? It's left up to each person. I realize that's not much of an answer to give you, but I cannot say that they look any certain way

because I don't know. I can't say that they look like monsters. Oh, no, no, no. And I can tell you why. In my case, it is better to help a person to come to something slowly because it's like waking up a person and shoving a flashlight right in their eyes. You know the first thing they're going to do? Try to use a match to begin with. It gives a very little light. They can take that, see? So, what would happen to me if I saw, during this time when all this started, if I'd have seen a ship come down, something so advanced that would have made what we have obsolete? It would have looked like a Model T Ford, our new jet airliners. I'm proud of our new jet airliners. But just let me see something better than that. And I look up and I'll say, what if I saw a being so tremendously beautiful? And I said, oh, look what we look like. I live on Earth. This is my home. This is the one that I want to adjust to. And you don't get somebody to adjust to a rabbit coat

after you've gotten them to wear a mink coat for three months. You follow what I mean? Yes? Who is the guy with the living family? This I do not know. I haven't found this out yet. I'm not even telling you I have, I haven't. I cannot say that's what our brothers look like because I don't know. When the time is ready, they have said, Jim, whenever you want to meet us, face to face, person to person, just say the word. Why not? Because only sincerity will move them. I'm not ready. You see, one time, they brought one of their ships over a house, pretty low, pretty large. I saw people nearly have nervous breakdowns. I saw them shake like leaves in the wind with fright. Yet they had seen many ships. They saw ships night and day. I see spots before my eyes, too, when I don't wear my glasses. But when a real one came forth without any warning of any kind, I've seen gophers dig into the ground. If these people would have been able to do it,

they'd have done it, too. You'd be surprised what we do when we actually confront something for the first time. It's so easy to say, I can do it until the time comes. You know, when we have been taught that they look like monsters, when you've been conditioned to think that way since childhood, when the most eminent in high places say that they have to look like insects because they say so, when you've been taught to respect what they say. Well, when they got their hands on me, they did a pretty good job. So our brothers, to me, were monsters. And it's taken them a lot of hard work to break that down. Jim, how do you know that they know what they're talking about? Do you know what they don't know? No, brothers, then how do you know they know what they're talking about? Yeah, yeah. I don't know what they're talking about because I don't know where they got all that from and how they got it. What did they use to get it?

I didn't go to the same school they did. I don't know anything about the atmosphere that surrounds Venus or Mars or why there's some kind of stuff on Mars. I don't have the telescopes they have to look through. They gotta look like bugs. Well, maybe one of these days when they land, they'll take one look at us and both of us will go at one another at the same time. It's too bad they're not as cute as we are. So, you see, our brothers do not push nor do they shove. Tell me, if you had to get somebody to hold a rattlesnake in their hand and you were given the opportunity to adjust them to this idea, to know something about the snake so that it wouldn't bite them, if, let's just imagine, I mean that you were put in a position where you had to hold a rattlesnake within a certain length of time in your hand or pay the death penalty. If the snake didn't bite you, you went free. And yet you had access to all the books you could get your hands on

on rattlesnakes to find out all you could about a rattlesnake, what not to do, what you could do. I bet you'd read one of those books. That's what I'm doing. I'm going to tell you something. If I saw one of those ships come down and start coming towards me, I'm going to tell you what I'd see just like the dogs in Russia when they ring a bell. They get hungry. The first thing I'd see is a picture flash across my mind of monsters. And who put them there? 20th Century Fox, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Universal Studios, television. Do they ever put out anything productive, anything that is beautiful? Join the crowd, Jim. Hang on the table with your fist and holler for something beautiful. No. Count Dracula, the monster from outer space. The giant spider will eat you alive. What an appetite. So you wonder why? Well, look, I don't know whose story is true and whose story isn't. I don't even believe mine. It's too fantastic. I'm going to tell you something.

I'm going to stay with it, right or wrong, because, boy, has it helped me a lot. I got a job of my own. I pay my own room and board. I don't go out now and get drunk seven days a week trying to escape harsh reality. Because our brothers told me, they said, Jim, do you see that calendar? I said, yes, brothers. They said, close your eyes. I did. They said, do you see it now? Because I found out that when I got over it, all I had was a hangover and the problem was still staring me in the face like a calendar. You really don't get away from it. But we think we do. But when you find out, why bother if it doesn't do any good? It's like a drink. That's all somebody had to say to me years ago. But instead, what did they do? You should stop drinking because it's a worse thing than smoking, young man. Like the one who's got a cigarette in his hand, you know. I've smoked so many packs, I guess I supported the Lucky Strike Company.

He says, smoking is bad. Young man, I never want to see you smoke when you grow up. That's what my dad said. Don't drink, son. That's the worst thing you can do. Do not what you would not have your children do. If liquor is so wonderful, why not put it in pablum? Cigarettes, too. Would you give your child a cigarette to smoke? Would you give your baby? Would you take what's inside of a cigarette and crush it up in your baby's formula? Yet we smoke! As our brother said to me today, Jim, what is toxic poison? A toxic poison or toxic poisons, to get detailed about it. I said, brothers, I don't know. I don't know, but they tell me that there's five toxic poisons in a cigarette. You know what they're talking about? No wonder you keep on smoking. Five toxic poisons, but they don't tell you what they're talking about. They're too lazy in plain English. So I go on smoking. Five toxic poisons? What's five toxic poisons? And then they said, Jim,

what can a cigarette do to you? I said, brothers, I might as well answer that question and get it over with because you're going to go on until I do. Whatever I help it to do to me. I get to see a cigarette get out of its own pack by itself and stick itself in your mouth and see what you should do. I'm saying that I want it to stop. Oh, I made backslide. They're willing to help you, but they're not going to fool with you. You don't help a baby who's got a hammer in his hand from busting all your windows by walking up and saying, Darlene, will you give mother the hammer? Uh-uh. Darlene, will you give mother the hammer? Uh-uh. You better give mother the hammer. So you get the hammer. Well, that's arbors. True love.

No. No, they lead you to your overgrown conscience. They help you to understand why other people, as they have said, rebuke not those who do what you used to do. They do it for the same reason that you used to do what you used to do. Rebuke not those who rebuke you. That's pretty hard. That's the same as turning the other cheek. You know,

it is hard to look at ourselves. He who is willing to look at his own faults before he looks at the faults of another is more than a man. I've had to do it. It isn't pretty. But when it's over, boy, do you sleep good. So, I don't want anything else. I don't want to see a ship. I want to be able to like you for yourselves. I want to be able to really look at you and say, hi, I like you, and mean it. Not because I want to get something out of you. I want to be able to love you for yourselves. I believe it can be done. But I've got to do it first before I can expect anybody else to do it for me.