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George Hunt Williamson Daniel Fry

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• [00:00] Opening remarks and introduction
• [07:00] George Hunt Williamson's main address
• [50:00] Development of Williamson's themes
• [01:30:00] Transition to Daniel Fry
• [01:40:00] Daniel Fry address
• [02:00:00] Daniel Fry questions and closing discussion

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

Friends, it's very nice to be back in the Los Angeles area again, and I want to say first of all tonight that this is not a time to be sad, because we should all be very, very happy that my first life today actually has progressed on to something great, something that someday we will all have to go through, and as yet, why we have to wait. But instead, this is a program to show you some of the things that happened in my life

last year, which I have not been able to share with the general public, because first of all, they don't have the background of, my own background of the past and so forth, to get any meaning out of this at all. But I feel that it's important that those of you who I've known for several years have such information. And then finally, I'm going to give a lecture that I... I have just recently started to give, called Secret of the Incas. So we're combining this memorial service of Betty's with the lecture Secret of the Incas. Also, I'm going to show about 10 or 15 other slides, which I have not been using in the Secret of the Inca lecture at all, and I'm going to combine that with the lecture as well, to see them. And those slides deal with our home in Peru, I have a few on that, and also the return to the lost city of 1,000 stone roofs that we talked about last year. So we're putting all of that together to see.

Now, I don't need to tell those of you who did know Betty, that she was a very wonderful person. I don't say that just because she was my wife. I see several here tonight who knew Betty quite well. But she was not only a wonderful wife, but also a wonderful fellow worker and a mother as well. And I don't think very often is a man lucky enough to find all of those things related to one. But she was proficient. And all three. I felt that nothing would happen to Betty because she was just starting her career. She had finished her first book just a few weeks before her final illness, and also was planning her lecture tour. She was supposed to be with me and talking on this tour that I had just completed up the West Coast. So I felt, no, that everything was all right. She was just really beginning her work. But often friends were wrong. Instead of just beginning her work, she had... She had completed it. She finished what she came to do.

And I know that she's happy at the present time. Now, first of all, we're going to show some slides that Betty wouldn't have used on her lecture tour. She never saw these slides herself. The story is this. She had completed a book called The Secret Language of Food. Now, it's not just about food. It's about a lot of things. The title is quite misleading. And she... She wanted me to get some slides to illustrate her lecture. I took, therefore, pictures of some of our own produce that we have at our little hacienda in Peru, as well as some native scenes of women doing cooking and performing their various daily chores. And she was going to give lectures primarily slanted toward the ladies, talking about the women in Peru and some of the secrets of those people that can be even used in our daily lives. So, first of all, we're going to show some of those slides. They weren't processed or developed. They were taken until after Betty's death, so she never saw her own slides.

We'll show those first, and then we'll move on into the secret of the Inks. We have the lights, please. Now, those of you...

Can everyone hear me in back, by the way? Is it all right? I'm used to a microphone after being with radio for several years, so sometimes I forget

I'm talking to you softly. This is a picture of Betty taken about 1951. I'm not quite sure whether it was 50 or 51, but this is when she and I were students at the U.S. Department of Education. University of Arizona in Tucson, and we were doing some of our work there at that time.

This is another picture of Betty also. It's not very typical of her because the place she's in is out of old Tucson, which is near Tucson, Arizona, and they made some out-of-motion pictures out here in these domed houses. And we had a little shop out there with an Indian friend of ours, and we were selling Indian jewelry and so forth. This is the first picture that she would have used in her life. This is her lecture. This shows corn, two different colors, yellow and white corn here, drying in a yard of a hacienda in Peru. I won't be able to describe the slides very much because after all that, it was going to be her lecture. This is a street scene in Huancayo, Peru, which is the closest city to us, nearly 100 miles away of the closest city. And this is the produce that the women come in once a week and display and have their market there. Of course, this is only part of it. It extends for about a mile through the center of town.

And this road here used to be the Royal Road of the Incas. The emperor's messenger used to run along this road. Today, it's the main street of Huancayo, Peru. This is typical, one of the vendors of vegetables, a Quechua Indian.

This is the wife of my guy on the way up to the lost city of a thousand stone ropes. I'll be showing you more of that in just a bit. And corn drying here in their yard. This is the son of my guy. This is the guy's wife again. And here she is, by the way, this slide isn't in right, but it doesn't matter. This is called rococo or ahi. And it's ground up, as you see here, fresh and put into soups and potatoes and so forth. It gives a nice, hot, spicy flavor to it. These are called calabasas. And they're much like a squash or a pumpkin, something sort of in between. And they don't use it, though, as we do. They just eat it. They dig a pit in the ground and put in hot embers. And they bake these all night. In the morning, they take them out and serve them with wild honey. And also, they will make a soup out of them, which is quite delicious.

[07:00] George Hunt Williamson's main address

This is, of course, wool. These little beans are two different types here, small and large, are becoming quite an industry in Peru.

They get a very fine airplane oil. It's being used by the airplane industries. Very, very fine oil out of those beans. Now, these are called mara. We call them tree tomatoes. They're really not related to the tomato at all. They're a fruit from the mara tree. But they're very, very delicious. The Indians use them in preserves, mixing them with wild honey. But they can also be eaten raw, just like a tomato. Benny was extremely interested in the herbs and products of the South American continent. She had cataloged and worked on about 100 unknown herbs at the time of her passing. And she found that, at least she believed, many of them would be very beneficial to human health and nutrition. One of them I remember that I can't... Oh, yes, Yurik's sacha is an herb that she believes will be very beneficial in the cure of ulcers. Because the natives down there take it. And we have a Spanish friend who lives in a neighboring hacienda who had ulcers several years ago

and took Yurik's sacha every morning for about four or five weeks and got rid of his ulcers. But there are many, many herbs down there that have been known for centuries by the Quechuas, the descendants of the Incas. But they're unknown to science or to us at this time. These are, of course, regular potatoes. But next to them, what the natives call oca. Not okra, but oca. And there are two types, purple and yellow, as you see here. They're something like a potato, but much sweeter and not as starchy. They're rather fine in their texture. Very, very delicious. This is the chiramoya, which has often been called the world's most delicious fruit. This is one of the largest I've ever seen. It's about as large as a human head, by the way. Frank, well, you can see the poncho here, which is a very, very large poncho. And you can see the size here of the chiramoya. It's the king of chiramoyas, I believe. This is an interesting fruit.

It's almost 100% protein with all the amino acids in perfect balance. Very, very wonderful. When you break it open, the meat inside is white. There are quite a few large black seeds in it. Now, they're starting to grow them in Southern California. I think that you get them here in California. Occasionally. And perhaps some of you have eaten them. The nearest thing I could describe them to would be blueberry sundae or strawberry sundae. Many times, they taste like a custard with blueberry sauce on it or something. Very, very delicious. Underneath, you see coffee beans of the area. Something very interesting about the coffee of that particular area, although I don't believe coffee is very good for human nutrition. But anyway, there is an interesting story. There have been rumors for many years that the Wall family in England drink nothing but coffee from the Chanchamayo Valley of Peru. However, everyone knows in Peru that the best coffee there is not from the Chanchamayo Valley but from the particular valley this coffee comes from here.

And the coffee bean is exceptionally large, about twice as large as the regular coffee bean. And I have tried that coffee on several occasions. Although I'm not a great coffee lover and I hardly ever drink it, I did try it. Because I wanted to see if it was true what they said about this particular coffee. And it is. It's the most magnificent coffee that you can imagine in flavor and so forth. These bananas came from my own hacienda. They're still a little green. We have now about 400 banana trees. And a few months ago, I heard from my Peruvian friend who's watching over the place for us that the cows broke through the fences and ate all of the farmer trees. And we've had to start everything all over again. These are some of our oranges. We have just a few orange trees. The oranges there aren't very good. I'm speaking on shaky ground here because I'm in orange country. But the oranges there are a little bit acid.

They're not as sweet as we know here in California. But they're very good. This, of course, is papaya. And there are many papayas there as well. This is the pack of an old Quechua Indian woman. She looked like 150. I suppose she was about 60, but they look that way. When they're 60, they look 150. She's a very, very old woman. As far as 60 years old is quite an age for the Quechuas. And this was being carried on her back. And in it, she had this cooking pot, which she carries with her. And she sits at the side of the road and puts a little handful of rice in there, builds a fire, goes to a nearby stream and gets her water and cooks her meal. And then she'll probably along the way find some of these or these hot peppers and so forth and add it to it. And here we find the spindle. They constantly are doing work with wool. You'll meet these women. They never walk. They always run. And usually, they're walking uphill because they're coming home from some place.

And in the day, they go down to the valleys. And at night, they're coming up into their homes again in the high points. And they run uphill. It's sort of like those of you who are in the Scouts. Remember the Scout case. You're not running and you're not walking. It's something halfway in between. And you'll meet them, and they're always twirling the spindle. They never stop. But if they do stop to chat with a friend or something, they're not running. The spindle keeps going. They never waste a moment. This is the uric saccha I told you about before. And there's plenty of it in this particular valley of Peru. You just go out in the morning. You rake off these leaves here. You put it in hot water, hot boiling water, which you drink about 20 minutes before your breakfast. And this is one of the very, very old Quechua remedies. It has been used for many, many centuries for stomach disorders. And it was one that Betty was working on at the time of her pregnancy.

I'm going to tell you a little bit more about it. This is very, very dark because it was taken on a very dark day. But I opened the camera as much as I could, and this is all I got. I'm going to tell you. We're going to have the slides off in just a minute before we continue with the regular lecture. But I have several things to tell you. It would take too long. So we can't leave the slides in the projector that long. So I decided to show you the slides first and then move back a bit and tell you what I wanted to put in here. So we're jumping quite a bit ahead of our story. This is a picture of my marriage on November 6th in France last year, just three months ago or so. This is my publisher who came down from London for the ceremony, Neville Armstrong, who is head of Neville Spearman Limited in London, who published Secret Places of the Lion and who is now doing my new book, Road in the Sky, which will be out next month.

This, of course, is Miesch, whom most of you have met. This is Miesch's father, who is the chief chemist for the Michelin tire company, the French tire company in England. And this is Miesch's mother. And this is her grandmother here, whom we'll see just again. And this is myself. First time I was ever in pool dress. I'm glad the picture isn't too clear. You can see the look of anguish on my face. Now, this is a better day, taken in the same place, in front of Miesch's home, in France. This is a very lovely village home of the French rural district, which was standing before the French Revolution. That's nothing in Europe. Everything is, if it's 200 or 300 years old, it's modern. It must be much older than that. And this is Miesch's mother. And this lady, of course, is now Mark's great-grandma. And this is a picture of Betty when Mark was very, very little. This was taken in Indiana at Betty's home. I don't remember how old Mark was.

I guess it was about two and a half here. This is one of the last pictures taken of Betty, because after we got to Peru, we didn't have many opportunities to use our film, because our film was very, very limited. And we never took pictures of ourselves. Only once or twice did we do so. While you're getting that in, Douglas, perhaps we can have the lights, and we'll go back to the slides again in just a moment. Be easy on our eyes. When that cools, Douglas, you can just pull the plug out, and then we'll continue. Just put your hand over it when it gets cool. On the other side. Feel the air coming out on the other side. I think it'll take about a minute. I want to tell you, some of you have heard this privately, one or two of you, but I know most of you have not. Those of you who haven't heard me talk before, and as I say, are not familiar with my background, perhaps you won't be too interested in what we have to say at this time.

But I feel this is very important. It's something that I wanted to tell all of my friends especially, and I've never had you all together in one place so that you could hear this story. I frankly think that you have a right to hear it, because I know that you're very interested in the work that I was doing in Peru, and I know that you would be interested to hear about Betty, because Betty always wanted to stay in the background. And yet Betty was responsible for a great deal of the work that I was able to accomplish in Peru. And when I heard of her passing, it was just like the bottoms had dropped out. I felt no longer did I have Betty to lean on. She was the quiet one. And many people felt I didn't have to lean on anyone. But I did, very much. I needed Betty in the work. I couldn't have done it without her. And this is the story. After I left here last year and went back to Peru in March, I decided to sit down and write Road in the Sky.

And I heard from the Padres in the jungle, remember last year we talked about the Rock of the Ridings, I wanted to go back this year and attempt to move on from that area to the west and find the lost city. But before I could get an expedition going, the priest wrote to me and said, San Miguel Mission, is no longer in existence. There's been a terrible flood in the area. The Mission and all of our fields were completely destroyed. And we have moved five kilometers down the Alto Madre de Dios River to establish San Miguel Mission again. They said also, we will not be able to go with you this year to visit the area of the lost city where we intended to meet with a tribe that's never been visited by white men before. The priests have been planning their trip for over 10 or 15 years. They said, we'll have to take up our time this year with rebuilding the Mission. Perhaps we can go with you in 1959. I hope they will be able to join me and I this year.

I hope that there will be no flood this year also. And by the way, the weather has been changing down there. The rainy season has been lasting much longer. In fact, it's lasting so long now, there's hardly a dry season at all. But anyway, I couldn't go there. The area was completely flooded where I wanted to get into the Rock of the Ridings. So I decided instead, to go ahead and write the book and make a few smaller expeditions. I decided to return to the lost city of a thousand stone roofs, Omotana, that we talked about last year. And I'm going to show just a few slides in just a moment on that. A few days before I decided to make this trip, we woke up one morning. We always got up about 5.30 or 6 o'clock in the morning. And I heard something fluttering around in the room. And I noticed it was a bird. And I said, and Mark said to me, Daddy, if you're going to catch the bird, let me see him before you let him go. And I said,

all right. And I did catch the bird. And Mark looked at him a moment and we took him out to the back porch and he flew away. And then I said to Betty, I said, that's rather strange. I said, how did that bird get in? I never have figured out how the bird got in. And if it had gotten in the evening before when we had the doors open, I would have thought that I would have heard it in the early part of the evening or at night. But anyway, the bird was in there and it was all right. We let it go. But as you all know, this is an old wise tale or a superstition about an impending death, a bird in a room or in the home, a bird in the oven or a bird in the house that you can't figure out how it got in. But Betty and I didn't think anything of it at the time. However, the next two or three days and nights, rather, in succession, a dog was howling outside the hacienda. One of the neighbor's dogs from down in the valley came up, used to come up quite a bit

around with Mark and that dog was howling. Betty was quite concerned. Finally, she said to me, you know, we've been getting an awful lot of signs of impending death around here. She said, I'm rather concerned. I said, what do you mean? And she said, well, you know, my father, he just had a slight heart attack and has been having a lot of difficulties with his liver. She said, I hope it doesn't mean my father has passed. And then she said something rather strange. I remember well. She said, well, anyway, it doesn't refer to any of us, meaning, of course, it doesn't refer to Mark. And I said, no, it doesn't mean, it doesn't refer to any of us. And I forgot about it. And I went on the trip to Pomatama. On the way up there, I was going along a narrow Andean trail on top of this poor old mule. And I don't know, I never have found out why the mule bolded, because it was an old and very peaceable mule. But the saddle had been, was in bad shape,

was put together with bits of copper wire and old string. And evidently that just gave way, fell apart. But I was jogging along in the back of the mule, reading a book, in fact, which took me a long time in Peru to learn how to do that. I saw the Peruvians doing it. I finally got in the habit. But one moment I was on the back of the mule, and the next moment I was underneath the mule, and he was jumping up and down on my chest. Just that quick, in just a second, I was all alone in this Andean trail, thousands of feet up in the muck. And I still had several miles and several thousand feet to climb to get to the nearest Quechua Indian village, Salcahuasi, where I was last year, if you recall. And I really felt that I was being killed. It felt like it. I felt my whole chest was being crushed. I could hear bones cracking. And at one point, the mule stumbled. The mule was very frightened because the whole saddle loosened up

and the saddle and myself fell over the head of the mule. And with all of this weight going over its head and temporarily blinding the mule, well, I guess it became very frightened. And it started jumping up and down violently. But I wasn't knocked out. I didn't fall.

But I wasn't knocked out when I fell off. And after the mule regained or came up a bit and took the weight off my body, I saw that it was raising up and was going to come down with all force with its two front legs. And I surely would have been killed. But I rolled quickly to the side of the road. And there was a terrific pain in my chest. I was afraid to look at the chest. I had on one of these army fatigues, one of these one-piece suits that you slip on and left over from my army days. But while I was at the side of the road, I saw the mule and the saddle

and the saddle

and the saddle And I looked and I could see where the marks of the hook on my chest on the side, but there wasn't any break in the skin, nothing. But this terrific thing died in here under the right arm. But I managed to go on. I left my things with the side of the road and sent down my friends later to get them. But I managed to climb several miles yet, several thousand feet higher up. I don't know how I ever made it, but I did. I got to the village and I stayed at the home of my guide for two days. And while I was there, they kept me, first of all, they said, would you like to have a bottle? And I thought, well, he wants to give me a drink of liquor or something. They make chicha, which is their own local intoxicating beverage. And I thought, well, he wants to give me that. That's the first thing we do usually in injuries while we ask them if they want a drink to relax them and so on. And I said, well, I don't really care for one.

I said, I'll be all right. He said, no, you better have a bottle. So he brought it in and it was empty. And I thought, well, this isn't fair. He'll give me an empty bottle. But he said, oh, no, you're not going to drink out of it. He said, you're just going to blow into it. And evidently, that's their remedy. And they get a broken rib, which the men fall quite often there in their work, down the rocks and so on, why they make them blow into a bottle. And they told me that helps expand the chest back. If it's been pushed out of place, the carriage there, the chest cavity, the rib box, that will be pushed back in shape by blowing into this bottle. So for two days, I just sat blowing into a bottle. And, after that, I felt good. I knew I had broken ribs. There wasn't any question in my mind about that. And after that, after two days, I went on up and managed to get one or two pictures of the cave of the 200 burials, if you remember,

the cave of the skull. And I'll show those in just a bit. I have two slides of that. But I then came back to another hacienda where I got the pictures of the fruits and vegetables that you just saw that I know Betty wanted for her lecture. When I got back to the hacienda itself, I thought I was going to get a lot of sympathy from Betty because of my injury, but I found out that she was in much worse condition. At least I learned later that she was in worse condition. But I found her in bed, and Betty never would get into bed to rest. I thought this was very unusual. I'd never known her to do that. And I said, what's wrong? And she said, well, I don't know. I have flu or a cold or something. But she said, I just don't feel very well. And so, in the next few days, she got worse every day. And one day I came in and she was green. Green as the walls here tonight. And I became very frightened. And she started to lose weight.

And of course we were always afraid because Betty had suffered three rheumatic fever attacks. One at 8, one at 14, one at 17. And she was always afraid of another attack of rheumatic fever. Before, the rheumatic fever had never bothered her heart. This time it did. However, there was no way hardly out of the valley. Betty had ridden into the valley, but it would be very difficult to have her ride out. Going uphill is difficult. And coming down. And it's just like coming out of Grand Canyon, but without the good trails that they have in Grand Canyon. Very, very difficult trip requiring an entire day or day and a half. So I had eight Indian men build a stretcher. And Betty had to be carried out of the valley on their shoulders, on this stretcher. It was a terrible journey for her because she was in great pain because of the rheumatic fever. And she was taken to Huancaya, to the clinic of a very fine German doctor

who escaped Nazism and has been in Peru now, for some years. It was a very fine clinic there. And he diagnosed the case, of course, with rheumatic fever also. And Betty was given cortisone right away. And from there, then, she was sent to Lima. The best clinic in Lima run by American medical men. Now, I stayed on at the Hacienda after the men took Betty in and the doctor took charge. I stayed on to close it up and to get Mark and myself ready for the trip. Betty and I had been planning to make our trip to Europe together. So when I got into the Hacienda, I went to Lima. I went to the clinic to see her. And she started talking about the trip to Europe. And I said, well, naturally, the trip is out for you. And I said, of course, it's out for all of us. I said, we can't go to Europe now. She said, you mean I can't go to Europe? You are. And I said, well, put that out of your mind right now. It's ridiculous to even think about it.

Of course I can't go to Europe. I'll leave you here. She said, well, they're good doctors. And she said, my mother and my sister both are fine. I'm coming down in just a few days. I'll be all right. There's no reason for you to stay. And I said, no, we won't hear of that. But I can say this to most of you, because I think you'll understand. Really deep in my heart, I knew I had to go to Europe. I just knew I had to. And at the same time, I knew I couldn't. It's a very difficult thing. But I knew that something had to be done there, that I was supposed to go. And I couldn't quite understand why this sudden illness. Many times, and I'm telling you this tonight, mainly not so much as a personal story, but might help you realize a little better, because I know it did me, that many times we see a certain thing, and we think that's right for us, or that's going to be the way a certain thing should be. But then we find that what we thought wasn't right at all.

It isn't what God had in mind for us. You see, Betty even thought that God had a certain thing in mind for her, but he had something entirely different in mind, which I do definitely understand now. I went to the doctor, and I said, Doctor, I want you to tell me truthfully about Betty's condition if you know. I want to know the truth. I said, you know, she was planning a lecture tour about for October or November. And I said, I want you to know, I said, I'm sending out information on it now, and I said, the lecture tour will be planned, so I want you to tell me. He said, well, you know, when she had rheumatic fever before, he said they didn't have the miracle drugs they have now. And he said, in fact, he said, I don't want to build your hopes up, but it's just possible she'll be better, because she's never had cortisone before. And he said, in many cases, they are much better. He said, she might be better after this siege,

and she's ever going to be better. She's never been before. He said, I can't assure you of that, of course. But he said, I think that I can assure you that she has to be here about three weeks, and not over two months. He said, what she needs primarily now is rest. He said, I feel the crisis has passed, and she just has to have complete rest. He said, this is another thing. He said, I hate to tell you this. He said, frankly, I know what it would be if it were my wife. But he said, first of all, obviously you depended a great deal on your wife. And I did. Betty had all of the business matters, of the hacienda, everything. He said, your wife is always calling in the nurses, saying, now here's the paper my husband needs. This is information my husband must have. And he said, as long as you're here, your wife wants to talk to you. He said, the only way for her to get any rest at all is for you to be gone. And he said, if you don't go to Europe,

I'm going to send you back to the hacienda anyway, and you might as well be in Europe as the hacienda, because there's nothing I can do for Betty there. It would mean being separated anyway. And he said, I feel that she can even handle her lecture by October and November. You see, this was in July. The first part of July. And he said, she can fly to the United States and join you in Indiana at her mother's home, and you can go on from there, and she can even make her lecture schedule if it's not too heavy. So I then had the problem with Mark. He said, the children, my children, have been asking for Mark. He will play right in our home, and he'll stay here. He said, you cannot take that child to Europe. And he said, his grandmother will be down here anyway shortly, and if she wants to take him back to the States with her, she can. But he said, that child can't be dragged through Europe. And of course, he couldn't do that.

It would have been impossible. So I left Mark and Betty in Lima. And I went to Europe. And that was on July 20th. I left Lima on July 20th. And I didn't hear about Betty's passing until September 15th, when I got to Lima. Betty passed away between 11 and 12 o'clock on August 11th, just about a month after I left Lima. They had all of the addresses where I would be in Europe, but the letters never caught up with me. If you knew the Peruvian postal system, you'd understand why. In fact, most of those letters haven't caught up with me yet. But I didn't hear about it until I got to Lima. When I got to Brazil, I made this survey over the interior of the jungle. Those of you who heard my lecture here about a month ago recall that I showed pictures of that survey from the air. And when we were landing on the river at Belem, on the Amazon, something happened, again, very strange. It happened three times. It happened to me first on that really narrow trail

in the Andes. It happened a second time as the plane was landing at Belem. As we came in for a landing, a storm suddenly came up. A furious storm. It was just like the ocean was being dumped on tropicals. And they come up like that very often there in the tropicals. And the pilot circled Belem for an hour and a half. We had a small plane. He said the gas was running out. He told me later that he really thought it was the end himself. He tried three times to land. The third time, he almost landed in the Amazon River. He thought it was the earthy. He said, I'm going to have to land pretty soon, irregardless. Because there won't be any gas left. He said, we've got to land. The fourth time, finally, just like the rain, parted. And he went in under it and landed. He made a very good landing. But before that happened, people were in the aisles with groceries. Everyone was praying. Everyone thought it was the end. Remember, I told a little bit lighter side to the story

because I don't think we ought to get more of it about anything. There's always a lighter side to everything. There was a very nice, very sweet lady next to me with her little bonnet on, a Mennonite missionary. She didn't say anything. She said, I'm going to have to land. I said, I'm going to have to land. She said, I've been in South America five years and is coming back, getting ready to come back to the States. And we had been talking on the journey. And she put her hand on my arm. And she said, young man, are you a Christian? I said, yes, I'm a believer. She said, well, I'm glad because you look like you'd be very nice to die with. Let's go to meet the Lord together. But she and I didn't have that privilege as the others. But anyway, that was the second time. Now, that was only 10 days after this first experience in the Andes. So within a two-week period, it happened three times. The third time was only four or five days later

as my plane was going from Recife, Brazil, across the Atlantic Ocean to the Carre French West Africa in the very middle of the Atlantic Ocean, about four hours out from Recife, the very, very middle of the ocean. I looked out of the window, and I saw the propeller standing still. And I called the stewardess over, and I said, young lady, is something wrong with my eyes, or is that motor out? She said, no, your eyes are all right. The motor isn't. And she said, we have already turned around, and we're headed back to Recife. She says, the pilot feels there are not the mechanics and the parts to properly take care of the plane at Dakar. We've got to go back to Brazil. And then I remember, just a short time later, the words of the pilot, prepare in one minute to enter the water. This was the third time it happened. But we got back to the car. We got back to Brazil. And the fire truck and ambulance were there for meeks.

But it wasn't a very good landing, but no one was injured. And the next day, we started for Africa again. At that time, of course, we made it all the way. Now, this is what happened each of those times. While I was on the trail in the Andes, on the side of the road, I really thought that I was going to pass away. I really didn't. I didn't think I possibly could have survived that, the way it felt when the mule fell on me and jumped on me. And I remember, in my mind, over and over again, went the thought, that I had not completed the last chapter of my book. And I thought, Betty is going to have to write my last chapter. And I thought, I wonder if she knows what I intended to do. Did I discuss it enough? Will she be able to write it in the way that I would have done it? Will she do that? That's what I was thinking of. And you see how strange it was. It ended up that I had to rewrite, do the final rewriting on her book.

It was just the opposite of what I thought at that time. But I heard a voice inside of me. And that voice said, Only by my hand are you sustained. I heard it again. And the plane landed almost in the Amazon River. And I heard it again in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Three times in a two-week period. Only by my hand are you sustained. And then I figured back, the very time that Betty had passed away, I was in the grounds of St. George's Castle in Lisbon, Portugal. And Betty always loved little flowers, anything of nature she was very, very fond of. And I remember looking at her. Looking down, seeing one of her favorite little flowers there in Portugal. And I reached down and picked it. And I scotch-taped it inside of a letter on a card, three-by-five card. And sent it to her with a little note. It said here, Today I'm at St. George's Castle. I know you will enjoy the flowers. That was exactly the time she was, when she passed away.

She, this was all a very great surprise, even to her doctor. And the thing that saddened us was that Betty was all alone. Even her doctor wasn't there. He came to California. First of all, she was alone. He came to California for a month's vacation, because he felt his patient was all right. Thought he could leave. And when he heard of Betty's passing, he was shocked. He said, I can't believe Mrs. Williamson passed. He said, it was the last thing I expected. But he said, of course, we're not always absolutely sure. But Betty was perfectly all right. She was responding to treatment. Everything was fine. Doing some corresponding, writing, everything. And suddenly she went into a coma. And two days later, passed away. If it just meant that it would be that way, that's all. When I got to London, of course, still I didn't know about it. But first of all, let me tell you something that happened in Rome. Remember, I didn't know Betty had passed away.

I'm not the kind of person that sees and hears things. I have seen a few things in my life and heard a few things, like all of us have, you know. Everybody's had some kind of experience we might call psych, because it's something out of the ordinary. And I've had a few of those things, but nothing outstanding. But my first night in Rome, I stayed at Alberto Paragos, former counsel for the Italian government, who is now one of Italy's leading UFO researchers. And his wife and two teenage daughters were on vacation. He said, Rick, come on over and stay at my place. He said, use the daughter's room. He said, nobody's home. He said, I'm going to be out till about 1 in the morning. But he said, here's the key. He said, I think you'll get in before me. He said, you'll be all alone. Just come in and go to bed. And I did. I got in about 10.30. I was very tired. I got right into bed. And the lights went out at 11, I remember.

And I got to bed. I thought that this happened about 3 or 4 in the morning. But I was so tired, I guess I went to sleep immediately. And when I did wake up, it seemed like I had been asleep a long time. But I'd only been asleep 20 minutes. At 11.20, this happened. I suddenly woke up. I was aware someone was in the room. I thought, well, Paragos came back. And he just looked in the door to see if I was in all right. But I realized immediately it was not Paragos. And then I looked up above me. I was lying on my back. I looked farther up this way. And I saw a moving cloud of white light about as big about this big. And it was round. And it was just like a light. And it was just like a light. And it was just like a light. A lot of clouds moving in a terrific turbulence, moving in and out of each other in all conceivable way, like in a great storm or wind. And that started to descend down over my head. Very slowly started to move down.

I got a terrific chill. And I was quite frightened. And I still kept my eyes on this. But I reached over to my left to the table lamp, the bedside lamp, and turned it on. Of course, immediately it vanished. I pulled myself up and sat on the edge of the bed. And I was perspiring in a cold, sweating. And at that instant, the light went on. And I sat on the edge of the bed. There was a dog outside the window, started howling. Howled two or three times. And I got another chill, because I knew that the dog saw, or at least sensed, what I had. And it unnerved me, frankly. It was a very, very strange experience. Never had anything like it in my life before. Now, Betty and I had talked together, perhaps as many of you have, about, oh, well, the first one that goes will try to communicate with the other one. We used to always talk about it. Things like that. You know, how we'd rap on the doors, and tease each other, and so forth.

And now, of course, I know it was Betty. In London, when I heard of her passing, I looked at the diary I kept of the journey. And that happened three days after her passing, because I moved from Lisbon to Madrid and then to Rome. And three days, which is quite significant, I think, after Betty's passing in Peru, I had this experience in Rome. Of course, I feel certain within myself that it was Betty coming to me and attempting to communicate and to let me know that she had passed. I'm sorry that I didn't realize it, I wasn't aware of it. But I am now, and I guess that's the most important thing. When I got into London, Rensselaer-Lepore trans editor of Flying Saucer Review and my publisher, Neville Armstrong, met me at the plane. And I had been in correspondence with these men three or four years in a very friendly fashion. And when I saw their long faces, I thought, my, these British really are reserved. I think that I'm a little bit closer to these men than that.

And they seem so stern. And so. It's so strange. I learned later, of course, that they knew Betty had passed. And when I said, I'm very worried about my wife, I haven't heard from her. I'm anxious to get my letters, they knew I didn't know she'd passed. I said that the minute I came up to them. And then, of course, they had this very stern look about it. We went immediately to Brinsley's apartment. And he said, you better have a little sandwich or a snack or something. And I wanted to get to my mail. And they tried to stop me. They said, oh, don't read that now. Sit down and relax a minute first. I said, I just want to read one letter from Peru to know about my wife. I'm terribly worried. I can't understand why I haven't heard any of it. And I saw a letter postmarked Lima, Peru, and Betty's mother's handwriting. I thought, oh, how wonderful. Betty's mother is down there with her now. I opened the letter. I didn't see the first part of the letter at all.

I don't know what drew my eyes to the middle of the page. But immediately, I saw these words stand out. Today, we drove out to the place where Betty was put away. And those words. Put away. Jump. I. From the page. F. And I thought, this could mean only one thing. I just couldn't believe it. You know, we've all heard that we think these things happen to other people. We never feel they're going to happen to us. And it's only been recently that I can believe it. It was such a shock. It was a shock to everyone, to her mother and everyone. And her mother feels very bad that she didn't get down soon enough, and her sister also. And as I said before, even her doctor. So I found out about Betty's passing. Now, this is even more strange. I wouldn't even try to explain why. The whole journey was so fantastic. I wouldn't believe it last year if you told me when I was talking here to you that this would have happened. I started on July 20th from Peru with one family

and one background. I ended up on December 2nd in New York City with something totally different. It was really the strangest journey I think men perhaps ever took. But it's quite difficult, perhaps, for some people to understand that on Monday, you'll hear of the comment, the passing of your wife. And it might be one thing if you weren't too close to your wife, but Betty and I would have been married nine years. She passed two weeks before our ninth anniversary. And every year, the marriage became better. Those of you who knew Betty and I knew that we did everything together. We moved like one unit. We were alike in mind, one in mind, on this work, in the UFO field, and all other things as well. As I say, every year became better. So it's one thing to hear the passing of a mate like that. And on Thursday, meet the woman you know you're going to marry. I can assure you that three days later, my mind was not on remarriage or marriage of any kind.

Hardly would be. Grinsley and Neville both said, Rick, we'll cancel the lecture tour in England. We don't see how you can make it. I said, listen, you didn't know Betty. I can just hear Betty saying, listen, we'll have none of this sobbing and no playing around. You've got a job to do, and you better get going on it. Those of you who knew her know that's exactly what she would have said. So I said, no, I can't cancel the lecture tour. I'm not going to. Well, that was on the 15th. On Thursday, the 18th, I was at the apartment of Grinsley LaPorte Trench, alone, with Grinsley. And we were waiting for my publisher to come. I had not met his wife as yet. I knew he was bringing her, but I didn't know he was bringing anyone else with him. He stepped through the door. Two women followed him through the door. As yet, I didn't know which one was Mrs. Armstrong. But the moment I laid eyes on this girl, it was just like a voice said, you're going to marry her.

And this shocked me. I thought, well, this is ridiculous. She might be Mrs. Armstrong. Or she might be married and have 10 children. How did I know who this girl was? But the force or the feeling was, I mean, I couldn't push it aside. So going down to Caxton Hall for the lecture, I was sitting with Grinsley in the car. And I said, Grinsley, who is this person? Who is this girl? I said, is she married? And he said, say, old boy, are you contemplating matrimony? I said, well, I'm just curious. He said, no, she's not married. Never has been married. And he said, I want to tell you something rather interesting about her. And then something happened. And then we got into the conversation or something. And Grinsley had to tell me later. But this is the story. Mish was working with a group in England. And that group was getting information and producing a book almost identical to My Secret Places of the Lion. Now, by identical, I mean the theme of the book

and the nature of it, naturally. She had never heard of the work I was doing. She didn't hear of Secret Places of the Lion, of course. And I hadn't heard of her or the work she was doing. That group produced a book. I say that group because she didn't write the book herself. But all of them helped on the writing of the book. Mish did the illustrations and so on. That book went the round of several publishers and ended up on Neville Armstrong's desk. My Secret Places of the Lion went to Ray Palmer. And it went the round of several publishers. It ended up on the same desk. So Grinsley said. Unknown to you, this girl's been doing the same kind of work. She's vitally interested in the UFO field, has been quite a fan of yours for some time, has read all your books, and decided that she had to come down tonight to hear the lecture. And she was going to be speaking in London. So you see how strange it is and how fate works,

or whatever we want to call it. And it ended up that her publisher and my publisher had us meet each other. Well, that was on September 18. Finally, many different events took place. I had my lecture tour throughout England and Scotland. We went to France. It's a long story. On November 6, we were married in France, the picture that you saw here. We were married in what they called the Mary, or the City Hall, in Puy-sur-Loire. We were married in front of the same bust of Marianne with a fresh tricolor, in the same room in front of the same table that her grandmother and her mother were married in. So it's quite historical. That's the story. But while I was at the home. Which I was later. After my lecturers broke on France, I stayed as a guest in their home. And I literally, one night, broke down. I really needed to. And I broke down in the laps of Mies and her mother both. And if it hadn't been for Mies and her family,

I don't think I could quite have pulled through. I was like a man in the sea, a stormy sea. And I was sinking, slowly but surely. And I never felt that I would feel that I was going to crack. But I thought that was it. That was the final straw. After all of these accidents, I had a great deal of difficulty in 1958. In 57, I was in dangerous, unexplored country in the jungle. I did many things far more dangerous and never had hardly a scratch. Last year, I was in relatively safe places. And yet everything was accidents, trouble, and illness with all of us in the family. We had a great deal of difficulty. And Mies and her family helped pull me up out of the sea. This night that I broke down, I remember I was in the living room. After the lecture, Mies' mother went out to fix me a nice bowl of soup. And I was in the living room alone. And the stack of records had been put on by Mies. And suddenly, one of Betty's favorite tunes,

or pieces of music, came on. And I started to break down. Friends, not because Betty had passed, because I knew Betty was much happier. She was rid of that horrible physical burden she had all of her life. But I finally realized that the powers that be, calling the 2-1, still are guiding us if we are doing, a certain job, even though every day we fail them. And we most certainly do. I realized that then, that every day I could do so much more than I was doing. And yet those things that are upholding us and helping us, as the voice said, only by my hand are you sustained. They will still guide us. And that's what made me break down. I wasn't crying for Betty. The fact that I could do much more. And then I also realized that, you know, I was in a very, very difficult situation. And I realized that God had been very good to me, because he had given me a wonderful woman first, and a wonderful woman second also. I think it's a difficult thing to be second in anything.

But me, she has rallied to that cause wonderfully. And she's a commercial artist, and has done much artwork. And she's going to help me illustrate my books. She's planning on going back to the Rock of the Rattles in the jungle with me this year. Betty was sent to me to help me. I learned a lot from Betty. Those of you who knew her knew what a wonderful, patient person she was. I never have been a patient person. I'm still not a patient person, but I learned a great deal from her, and much more so than I ever was before. But I know now, too, me, she's been sent my way, so that we can fulfill a job that I still have to do. Now, we'll go ahead and show the rest of the slides we have. Do you have the others ready?

Now, before I start to explain this, I want to mention that we have this one little white rose up here for one thing tonight. Betty wouldn't want a lot of flowers for a memorial service. But Betty and I had a special symbol between us the first time we met. And that was a single white rose. And I tried to get a white rose today, and we found one, just one white rose left in the Fairfields garden. So that's why we have the white rose up here for Betty tonight. And also, the same dedication, I'm going to give you, I'm going to put in the front part of her book. The final thing that I want to say about Betty is this. It's just somewhere in the Bible in Timon. I don't know exactly where. But those words are, I thank God on every remembrance of you. And I do, indeed, when it comes today. Now, first of all, there are two parts to the secret

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of the English. Now, we're not going to be talking too much about UFOs tonight, so I hope you're not disappointed. But at the same time, we're going to talk a great deal about UFOs without saying anything about them, if that makes sense. As I mentioned to the group the other night where I talked, first of all, I was interested in sightings of UFOs. I wanted to know if they existed. Then I wanted to know why they were here after I realized and believed that they were here. But we're going to find that almost every phase of life is connected, or has been in the past. I'm like the man running down the hill with a big snowball behind him. I think a lot of you have felt that way. And still do. And I feel any minute I'm going to be engulfed in the middle of a snowball. The thing is getting bigger than any of us. And the more I look into ancient legends and the history of ancient people, I find UFOs. I didn't go to South America to hunt UFOs.

But they're still there everywhere you look. I remember the words of Brindley Lefort Trench while I was in London. Brindley's a very conservative person. He came over timidly one evening in the apartment with the Bible. And he sat down. And he said, rather in an embarrassed way, he didn't know quite how I would take all of this. And so he said, you know, he said, I've been thinking a lot about the Bible and UFOs. And he hummed and hawed around for several minutes. Finally, I said, Brindley, what are you driving at? What are you trying to say? He said, well, he said, would you think I was completely crazy if I said that this is nothing but a book about UFOs? And I said, no, I don't think you're crazy at all. I said, I think it has a great deal for you too. It has a great deal with UFOs. And he's been finding that out or realizing that in his own private research. And as Morris K. Jessup has said, evidently, the background of the UFO is the real background of humanity.

So tonight, we're only going to take up a very, very small phase of all of this. But it definitely deals with UFOs. Because the Incas have many legends of the Rampalivyak, or the litters of electric energies. And we'll talk a little bit about those as we move along. The first part of the secret of the Incas is their true origin. Where did they come from? Remember, I have always said that I believe the Incas arrived between 11 and 1200 AD in Peru, which is not very long ago. If that's true, what preceded them? The Incas themselves told the Spanish conquerors that they did not build the great stone monuments of Peru, but found them and built on top of them. Now science is beginning to believe that the Incas must have been telling the truth after all. The second part of the secret of the Incas is the fabulous and tremendous power, or knowledge of that power, that they inherited from their predecessors. So we'll be talking about those two parts.

First of all, we're going to show just a few slides indicating the origin of the Incas. This is the upper third. I'll be showing you the other parts of the idol. The upper third of an idol that we discovered in Peru in 1957. This was found in the tomb of a Chamu emperor. The Chamus were pre-Inca people conquered by the Incas. And this was found in a tomb a few feet from the Pacific Ocean on the west coast of South America. Now, it's a Peruvian idol, all right, but I want you to notice some very strange things about it. Notice these pure copper inlays, copper inlaid disks on the crowns. Also, the shield held by the woman. The man held the shield here, too, which we found, by the way, but which had been broken off anciently, snapped off. We believe that a disk originally was here and also was broken off, which we did not find. Then you'll notice the twist. The male figure is the sun symbol, which is always associated with masculinity.

And beneath the woman, the half moon. And the moon, of course, always associated with the woman or the female. I took this slide and a drawing of this, showing, by the way, the characters much better. And you notice the characters or glyphs here on the shield and on the disks here, and also on the plates on the rest of the images. I took this to Dr. Green. He's a professor at the University of Michigan at the University of Michigan in 1957. He's one of the world's authorities on ancient oriental languages. And I just showed him the pictures with no comment about the idol, where it came from, or its origin. And first of all, he said, this is very interesting. These are Japanese characters. He said, it appears to me that these are Japanese, but it looks like a group that was isolated from Japan and, after a few generations, changed the original script. Now, it's difficult to really identify these as Japanese, because Japanese script comes

from Chinese. The Japanese had a very crude writing, and they adopted the Chinese script about 500 AD to their own language. However, I believe that the Incas have an Asiatic origin, as several scientists at the present time are beginning to believe. They were either Mongolian, Chinese, or Japanese. My own feeling is they were Japanese. But anyway, they have an Asiatic origin. The next section is the middle. This is the middle part of this, oh, no, I'm sorry. We'll get to that in just a moment. Very quickly, we'll go through this. This is a Tibetan mandala. And we see here the sun and the moon. There's much about the idol that suggests some of the drawings and some of the symbology of ancient Tibet. This is the middle part of the idol, the sun and the moon again, here. Now, you'll notice a copper plate inserted in the middle of the idol, and it's divided into eight sections. Now, there's something very unusual about the characters

on this idol. This is the one on this plate. First of all, this one down here, at the bottom right corner, is the Chinese, and also, by the way, the Japanese character for flying, or to fly. And the story starts up here. And Dr. Birgley says he cannot make out all of the characters. They've been changed considerably. But the ones he can make out give us this general story from the plaque on the front of the idol. The story is a great bird made a migration over the ocean on a chase or following something. And then we find the character for flying down here. Now, that gives us all kinds of ideas. I would hesitate to interpret what that might mean, but it's very interesting to say the least. A great bird went on a migration over the ocean chasing or following something. The next is the last part of the idol, the base of it. There are 12. You can't see all of them. Of these disks, some of the copper has been lost during many years.

On the sides, we find stars, or what may be the Buddha Wheel of Life. I'm not sure they've been changed a bit there. And on the front, you find glass beads. The Chamus, thousands of years ago, made beautiful glass beads. This is the crown that was found in the tomb. And you'll see the characters on the front. And scientists say there was never a written language in South America. That is not just doodling or an artistic form. It is definitely a script. And above it, we find the sun disk again. Originally behind this, sacred plumes were held in a bracket behind. This was probably used by a priest, although found in the tomb, it's believed, of an emperor. The emperor wore gold, the lesser nobles silver, and the priesthood copper. This is another small piece of the puzzle,

giving us an idea of the origin of some of the Central and South American people. And by the way, friends, also perhaps an idea of the origin of some of the aborigines, even in North America. This is shown through the courtesy of Manly Palmer Hall, whom you all know of, I know. This is the original page from a Mayan codex, which is now held over at the philosophical research group. But on this, we find a perfect Chinese dragon. This particular type is not known in Mayan motifs or artistic work. A Chinese dragon on a Mayan codex, or in a Mayan codex. This is a temple which was unknown until just a few years ago, excavated by my friend Dr. Whitworth at Great Western University in San Francisco. By the way, he's now down in this area doing further work. When they completed excavating this small temple in one of the little-known areas of Yucatan, Mexico, they found three Buddha wheels of life. They are exact duplicates

of the Buddha wheel of life or eternity here. What in heaven's name is the Buddha wheel of life doing in a Mayan temple? It's a good question. Next section. Now, those are just a few ideas, on the origin of the Incas. There are many other things which we don't have time for tonight, due to the fact that this lecture is rather lengthy, to indicate their oriental origin. They used the system of tens in placing a chief over others. They had a chief over ten men, over a hundred, over a thousand, ten thousand, so exactly the same system used by Apollo, the Hun, and other groups in the Orient. Also, they have the same system of piling rocks on the side of the trail. And they passed. Same thing done in the Orient. We find that the terrain in South America, in Peru, is exactly the same as certain places in the Orient. There are many similarities. So I told you that we would quickly make a trip back to the lost city. These pictures I took

just before my return, and remember the accident that I suffered. These pictures were taken just before that. This is the trail, the final part of the trail as you come to my home. There are no roads into the area, whatsoever. You must walk or go by muleback. It's a long, arduous journey. And we are now coming down into the bottom of the valley. This is the valley that Fetty had to be brought up out of. This is our home. This was a very old Spanish colonial hacienda. When we got it, the roofs, the door, everything had rotted and fallen in. And we started to restore it. There's a tin nook on it now, which is used down there extensively. And also, we had just completed whitewashing the structure. We have some ancient adobe walls between three and four feet thick. This is another picture as we move closer to it. Now, the trip we're taking will take us, every slide will take us closer to Pomatana, which is up under the clouds

on this mountain here. Now, last year, I didn't mention that Pomatana is about a two-day journey from my own home. But it is in that particular area. Every slide now, we're moving closer, farther down the valley.

This is a village we pass on the way. Santa Domingo. This village was quite a prominent place. It was the capital of this district once. And then the Spanish abandoned the area. And now we find the church and the tower are almost completely destroyed. Nothing in the plaza anymore. It used to be quite a thriving town many, many years ago. The reported buried treasure in this area, also, by the way, left by the priests. This is the inside of that church. This is the holy water font. And inside, we find the baptistery. This is the other side of the plaza. And this used to be the monastery. Now, a few Indians have fixed it up, as you see here, and are using it. And we see now just pigs and chickens wandering through the former, very thriving plaza. What's up at the old bell tower? These are our expeditionary flags. This is the flag of the Andean Amazonian Survey, Great Western University, the American and the Peruvian flags.

Some people say, oh, you've got the Peruvian flag above the American. They forget we were in Peru. But we compensate it. The American flag, although it doesn't look like it there, is quite a bit bigger than the Peruvian. So the American flag is bigger, but the Peruvian had to go on top. And this is Pomotana in the background, just at the point of this flag. The lost city of a thousand stone roofs is directly on top of that mountain there. Pomotana, which means Hitching Place of the Lion. Now, you'll notice the terrain is much like that of Arizona or New Mexico. A lot of cactus here. Now, we have gone now to a lower altitude in order to get to a higher one. We are now rising toward Pomotana itself on Muleback, a thousand feet higher again. Just behind the black view here is where I was knocked off the mule in this kind of terrain. This is a view from Salcahuasi. I took these pictures now after the broken ribs. That's Otorongo,

which is called the Sleeping Tiger. No one has ever conquered the last few feet of Otorongo. It's about 23,000 to 24,000 feet in altitude. Yet, mountain climbers have found the last few feet are exceedingly difficult. The interesting thing to us is that natives claim who have explored the snow line that a great stone city, stone stairways and so on, are coming or showing up from underneath the glaciers and the snow. This would be very important if true because it could show a city of tremendous age. We found in making a survey through this area that there are many, many tombs of this lost culture. This is one of the tombs that I told you about last year that had once lived in the former town of the lost city. This is part of Salcahuasi, housed in a high place. I'm not going to take much time on the next few slides. This is a piece of ceramicware from the area which shows the great veneration the people had for the puma or the tiger form.

You'll notice the connection with the puma on the base, the sleeping tiger for the mountain, and on the other side, the lost city. This is known as the wishing place of the lion. The lion figure is very prominently there. These are of the flying houses that came to them in the ancient past. The great beings dropped out of these houses. Beings of great intelligence dropped out of the holes in the bottom of these flying houses. I was interested in these legends and I went to the museum. I started to talk to the curator, but I thought, well, he's a very orthodox fellow, so I don't want to get into anything that we would talk about, for instance, tonight. I talked along usual lines in anthropology and suddenly he said, by the way, you said your name was Williamson. Are you the one that's lecturing tonight? And I thought, uh-oh. Well, he finds out what I'm lecturing on. And I said, yes, I am. Well, we finally got into a discussion on the Abominable Snowman

or the Sasquatch Man, and he took me to a closet or a storeroom of the museum and he brought out a gigantic mask carved about 30 years ago by an Indian after he'd seen one of these creatures, the same type of creature that was recently seen in Northern California, perhaps you read about it in the newspapers, called Bigfoot. Remember the construction men on a highway there that saw this nine-foot hairy man step across the highway and he said, and they took plaster casts of the footprints. And this director, who I thought all the time was going to be an orthodox gentleman, came out with this mask of the hairy man and brought out the plaster footprints. And it's rather interesting because they're not the feet of apes. Human feet and ape feet are quite different. And these are definitely the footprints of a man and the man would have to stand nine feet tall to have feet like them. But anyway, I found he wasn't so orthodox after all and I thought,

well, anyway, after he hears my lecture that'll be the end of it. Because he said, when you get back to Canada I'd like to spend several weeks with you. We'll offer you the facilities of the museum and we'll attempt to locate the hairy man. I said, I believe in him and I'm very interested. But after the lecture he came up and he said, by the way, about those UFOs, you know, he said, I've wondered about that for many years. And when I was a small boy up in the Yukon, he said, I saw those 20 flying lights on several occasions. So I was quite surprised about the director. This is a picture and it's not very good. The day was very dark and I had to give more exposure than I should have and you can see it's overexposed. This is a picture of the entrance to the Cave of the Skulls where I found the 200 burials with the peculiar openings in the skull, if you remember, that I talked about last year. This is the entrance. There are perhaps 50 to 60 burials

there alone. Because this is not the only layer. They go down for many feet beneath this. And then you pass through this little entrance here and go back into the tomb proper. Remember I said about the burials found in this particular tomb. Now these are in skeletal form. They originally were mummies but the effect of the elements since the tomb has been opened here has destroyed them. Underneath, we find them in better condition almost still in perfect mummified form. Remember we mentioned that the skulls had been deformed almost immediately after birth by a tight band being placed around the head. This in turn released the pressure on the front part of the head allowing the metopic joining that runs in the front of the head here to remain open throughout life of the individual. Now this line closes about 18 months after we are born. None of us here tonight would have this line in the center of the head. You couldn't even see it at all. Why did those people

deform the head to leave this opening? It's directly over the pineal and the pituitary bodies. Also we find on the same skulls that they were that is the surgeons in ancient times operated on the skulls and often filled up the holes with lead in the skulls. The next slide will give you an idea of the trepanning. I sent some pictures of these skulls to a friend of mine in Toledo, Ohio one of the nation's well-known brain surgeons and he says he hasn't had much time to look at them but he said a very quick glance of many of the photos shows him that these people whoever they were had a very perfect knowledge of what part of the brain served what purpose as we know today which science has only discovered by experimentation. What part of the brain controls the brain what emotions and so forth. You'll notice here it's a very beautiful job marks of the surgeon's knife here having cut this rectangular square in the skull. Now just why did these people

go to all of this trouble? I've picked up some legends this last year while I was there that spoke of the great golden skulls these people used to make. They did not cover a human skull with gold but made a skull artificial completely out of gold and they were supposed to have used these in their temples as an oracle. I also heard other stories about long slender copper rods being found in some of the tombs. I don't have time to go into much detail on that tonight because this is just new work that I'm starting myself but I just want to leave it with you because I know many of you have the background to know what I might be implying when I talk about long slender copper rods and what these people might have been doing. I feel that they were attempting to increase their own psychic abilities. Now perhaps some of us don't even believe that there are such abilities inherent in men. Those of you who do believe it perhaps don't feel that it's right

that we should go tampering with these things by opening up the third eye by performing operations on the brain. Perhaps that's right. Perhaps we have to wait until we're spiritually ready for those things. But whatever we believe evidently these people did believe it and they did attempt to increase their own abilities by these operations. Those of you who did not hear my lecture last year don't have the background to understand that these people built very strange houses little round conical houses of stone and they called it the lost city of a thousand stone roofs and they did have stone roofs and in the middle of their homes on the highest point in this area where the cave of the skulls was found they had a spiral temple. You enter it by going into a three foot or a three meter passage you go around and around a very strange structure. I know of no other structures like them except one or two in Turkey and also the mysterious nuraghi structures

of Sardinia which are a hundred feet high and conical of stone and certain stories indicate that in the ancient past a race left this planet just before a great catastrophe hit the earth and they used these great conical stone nuraghis or structures as accumulators of cosmic energy. Maybe that's true perhaps the people at Pomatana were doing the same thing. And then my final piece of evidence that proved to me that these people placed great importance on this opening in the center of the head. If they were depicting a regular skull here they would not show this red wavy line because they wouldn't know that remained open until eighteen months after birth. How do we find the human skull used as a motif on pottery or anywhere for that matter especially in South America? This piece of pottery we found and on it we found six skulls depicted. You'll notice the peculiar way the skull is shown and then the red wavy line down the very center of it which is not

on a skull after eighteen months. This shows they placed great importance on this opening. They were experimenting I believe with increasing man's spiritual ability artificially and if you're getting tired I'm talking fast and I don't I'm not using any notes at all just whatever the slides remind me of and I know there are a lot of things I would like to talk about. Many of these things are just now formulating in my own mind. A few of the pictures you're going to see now by the way how many of you heard my lecture last year The Lost World of the UFOs? I think perhaps most of you did. Well you're going to see a few slides three or four here that you saw last year is that alright? Now what you have been hearing for a while and you thought you were hearing the lecture but we're just starting the lecture now this is the first slide the ones I've shown up till now have been extra ones that I've thrown in for tonight but don't worry I'll move along quickly

and if you're getting tired just let me know and we can have a three or four minute intermission too by the way. This is a picture of a good friend of mine Costino Espinoza Navarro Here he is playing the Inca Emperor in the Inti Rhyme ceremony he plays it every year in his park besides being the Inca Emperor once a year on June 24th he is also the president of the Druvian Automobile Touring Association quite a difference now that is not as funny as it sounds because he's the world's authority on the Quechua language he's a full-blooded Quechua himself and it's quite a distinction to be elected by the Indians to play this part because of course now the position of the Inca Emperor is nothing actually political and yet these people still revere the memory in a great way and if they elect a man you know that they think a great deal of him or they wouldn't let him play the part they just don't put anyone up there who looks like an Indian and let him play

the emperor I'd like to mention something here in Passy which to me is tremendously interesting and it might be tremendously significant maybe it means nothing but I do want to mention it to you on June 24th 1947 Ken Arnold saw the first saucers of our era at least ushered them into our era the nine objects over Mount Rainier we all know that it is strange or isn't it that June 24th happens to be the ancient Inca Sun Ceremony or Inti Rhyme of course we know June 24th June 21st is the summer saucers but June 24th was the time that the Inca's percentage celebrated the Sun Ceremony just a few days from that day in 1947 the little shepherd boy also discovered the Dead Sea's growth in 1947 many strange things came to life the saucers were revealed through the world at large and also a lot of the secret places of the line that I discuss in my book also started to be revealed now some of you have seen these last years so I'm going to give you a few new ideas

on the same slides and we'll move through these rather quickly because I know you have seen them this is the fortress of Sacsayhuaman which is near Cusco the great former capital of the Inca Empire when the Incas found this fortress they only added to it and completed the structure to give you an idea of the tremendous size of these blocks in the next slide we're going to move to this block right here to show you how big it really is that's that block now that is one single building block of 11 angles it weighs nearly 200 tons one single building block the man is 6 foot 3 so you see the block is over 12 feet high easily and so perfectly joined you cannot put a razor blade or a cigarette paper between them this is Machu Picchu discovered in 1912 by Senator Hiram Bingham this is a pre-Inca city the Incas found it and built on top of it here's the first proof of that can you get that in focus just a bit better in this area here down that's fine this is the pre-Inca

part of the structure you'll notice the definite line or difference in the architectural style now this was thought to be a fortress for a long time but we know now from work there recently that it never could have served that purpose but was a spiritual or sacred center here came the young virgins of the sun and the priests and they studied here in 57 I climbed to Huayna Picchu which is higher than Machu Picchu another city here and you see the terraces where they grew their crops imagine having a farm up there in a lecture but I want to take time tonight because I know if you get too tired you'll just have an intermission because I do want to get all of these facts in and see me when I was climbing up there something rather strange came to me suddenly I recalled that the Incas are the greatest road builders the world ever knew or were the greatest the Romans built 50,000 miles of roads the Incas only built 10,000 but they built their roads where the Romans

never never built highways over cataracts and over torrents and rivers and high places the Romans never did the Incas were the greatest builders the greatest road engineers the world has ever known why then did they put a trail a narrow trail and I was following the old Inca trail up the side of this mountain to this other city and why didn't they build it in a logical place this is not logical this is the side they should have built it on it would have followed naturally and would have been very easy to climb these small places turned the trail to go in the difficult way instead of the easy way I noticed that as I climbed why and then suddenly as I neared the top there's a beautiful stone entrance or archway here as you enter the city and suddenly the thought came to me and I don't know friends that this is the answer but the thought came to me is it possible that this is the razor's edge of spiritual progression and development the narrow edge their final year of training and the stories say that in that final year they never spoke to each

other they never uttered a word if they passed the test of that year they were sent to cusco for service to the royal family in the temples there is that the narrow razor's edge of spiritual progression that the young aspirants had to follow as they went to the top maybe and maybe not the fact remains that the angels could build much better trails and roads in that way why they didn't i don't know exactly this indicates their crops these were the terraces where they grew their crops now here is another proof of the great antiquity of machu picchu on the left you'll see the finely fitted stonework of the area you'll notice here an earthquake has separated the stone

then you'll notice the crude stonework on the right that which you see on the left is priyanka and is several thousand years older than the not what you see on the right this is inca very crude invitation indeed the architectural style

the working in stone is completely different this is another view this stone was meant to lock in place here you'll now get an idea of the locking method without mortar being used you see here this piece and the piece here notice then the very crude word here it doesn't seem likely that people that could build this sort of thing would build that next to it again we see the inca additions on top of the fine work and the crude work here

they're actually now scientists claim about three or four periods to machu picchu the very earliest period even goes back beyond the gigantic building blocks here to a time when they carved their rooms and temples out of solid granite boulders they didn't use building blocks at all this is the fortress of alante tampu remember i showed it last year you're now on top of a mountain rising several thousand feet above the surrounding plane this is not far from the city we just talked about between there and cusco now you'll notice that these are enormous building blocks weighing many tons and then you'll see the crude inca work in between and finishing the structure above in 1957 i talked to two german engineers who were at this area they said by the way you're an archaeologist could you tell us where these blocks came from they weren't they didn't come from quarries on top of the mountain i said the nearest place they could have

contained these blocks is 200 miles away now the startling thing friends is this they didn't have the nile river they didn't have rafts where they could transport these blocks they would have had to drag them across very rocky rough terrain for 200 miles and then up several thousand feet to the top of this mountain the german engineers said this is fantastic we couldn't duplicate the feet today because the type of equipment that we have to haul blocks could not possibly carry the weight of these blocks of that weight now naturally if we had to do it we could do it we'd have to tear down half the mountain and put a road in there and get in if we did that we would leave evidence of what we had done there's no indication as to how these blocks were dropped when i was in college in my last year i remember i asked a question of the professor who was talking about things like this and also other structures in parts of the world where such gigantic blocks

have been used that no one can figure out how they were put into position i said how did they do this she said well the greatest implement they had was the copper knife i said you mean to tell me they did all that work with the copper knife and she said well they did the work and that's all they had so i guess that's the answer and remember what i said before my lecture here a few weeks ago if that is the answer we better skip the hydrogen bomb and get some brilliant copper knives because they can do a much greater job than atomic energy this is one of the important structures in machu picchu the sun temple this is also of course pre-inca notice there's no fourth wall and no roof perhaps you say i see that an earthquake has nearly destroyed the structure here in the past perhaps the builders ran away and never returned to complete the structure but we believe there's another reason why there's no fourth wall

and no roof which i'll talk about in just a moment now i know some of you heard a few of these points last year so i'm not going to stay too long on them but move very quickly this is the main altar carved out of a solid block of granite with the priest pedestal here and two small side orders on each side notice then there are seven trapezoidal wall niches above the main altar five are in this wall and five more in this wall making a total of 17. we'll talk about that number also in just a bit these are unusual alters carved out of granite which i think had an astronomical purpose we don't know what exactly behind the temple we find a stairway running to the top this is the highest point at machu picchu at this point we find the inti watana the hitching of the sun the incas believe that here they could capture the power of the sun's rays and use it for the benefit of all their people this is the inside wall of that temple showing

five of the wall niches very quickly notice the beauty of this wall and apparent symmetry actually there's no symmetry at all three blocks are placed here with nothing to balance them anywhere else as far as decorative effect here it appears to be an unfinished wall here an eroded figure of some animal here we find lines running in peculiar angles and directions that the stonework placed here has a meaning we don't know what that meaning is this is the outside of the same wall now in the next slide we will be up at the hitching place of the sun at this point here this has been carved out of a solid block of granite the stairway approaching

the altar this altar is still intact because pizarro and his spanish never spanish conquerors never found machu picchu and therefore they didn't destroy it they were quite jealous of the inca work they tried to tear down everything they could find in peru that's the only thing they found it's amazing that anything remains at all this altar is amazing it was not composed or made of separate pieces but was carved from one single granite boulder with copper knives remember this is even more remarkable this is kenko very near cuzco we're

going to leave machu picchu for just a month this is also pre-inca this is another hitching place of the sun or altar but a different type the two columns held ropes and these ropes supported the disc at one time on that altar solid gold now you'll notice thrones chambers seats rooms alters everything imaginable and stairs here those were not carved in place there they are all part of one single granite mass the altar and all of this and even the floor by the way which is not the ground is also granted this has all been carved from one single granite mass and even more amazing you are only seeing one seventh of the total area one again they did all this with copper knives you ladies today have much better knives uh far better knives that you use every day in the kitchen and the copper knives i don't think you could do the job back of the altar we find one of the high ambient peaks rising 24 or more

or less thousand feet and by the way this is one of the areas where we get reports of the abominable snowmen look at the back of the altar this strange square projection we believe held

supports ropes and other things which originally supported a gigantic golden disc of solid gold on top of this altar this is myself on top of the same altar here we have that support again that

must have held the ropes this is quite interesting that's a pure alpaca wool poncho and they have a system much like the scots with their tartan or their clan tartans and every stripe and color has a meaning and you can tell where the native comes from what province it comes from by this decoration and color of his poncho that particular one i have on is of the cusco area if you stepped off the altar you dropped several thousand feet into the river urubamba below the great gorge notice the peculiar construction of the altar this looks like it was a seed but it's too small would be too uncomfortable to be that this looks like a stair but is too high this is still almost razor sharp on the edge and here we have a strange triangular surface what were all of these angles placed for astronomical purpose yes but just what does that mean this i believe is the entrance to one if not

the most important temple at machu picchu guides will tell you that a priest lived here i don't know how they know there were no records left with machu picchu and if he did live there he had to get around on a pogo stick remember i told you last year because the entire interior except a few inches around the edge is a great stone altar inside hardly anyone could live in there very comfortably notice at the base of the door these holes are made of stone and they are made of stone which in this temple are actually inspired by its calls which by the way are drilled through the all of the stones here ropes passed through these and were hitched inside onto stone columns and those ropes supported we believe a great golden disk that covered originally the entire door i want to give a little more explanation than i did last year as the sun comes up over the mountains in the east it throws its light directly through this window here

there are two windows in this temple the first one the window of the rising sun this is a wall it should not a window the other window is over back in here we call that the window of the setting sun the sun first of all throws the light through this window onto the altar inside we'll see pictures of that in a moment it also glances across the side of the temple would come in the center of the doorway and reflect off of a reflective surface there and directly over and about this area into the center of a sacred fountain now that fountain happens to be the 17th fountain in a series of 17. beneath it going down the terrace this way down the mountainside are 16 others and they're not fountains for drinking water they're like aroma little roman bath as you get to the first fountain way down below you're getting all of the dirty water from above the people that have bathed above you as you progress up the mountain climbing and going into from one fountain to another

water gets purer and purer until you stand in the very center of the 17th fountain opposite this temple here and then you are receiving pure uncontaminated water and only then therefore you see the spiritual significance or the symbology of the ritual in that fountain that 17th fountain the light just as it comes up in the mount over the mountains in the east in the morning reflects off this golden disc and strikes you as you stand in the center of that fountain

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now in the next slide we're going to move inside the temple and see the wall here inside i want you to notice the shadows that are being cast by these stone pegs they don't know what purpose these serve someone said they were stone pegs for intercoats and hats the incas didn't have coats and hats anyway i don't know what purpose they serve but we might get a clue from the shadows as the sun passes through the sky during every day the changes during the month and year we find these shadows and the angles they create change i believe that's why the stones are there now directly beneath this room in the temple we find a subterranean tool which we're going to see now in the next slide this is not a very good picture but the only one i have of it the room you just saw is up here this is a tomb where there are many wall niches for mummies and so forth this is the entrance to notice again we are looking at what appears to be carved stairs in solid granite

but notice they're at an angle looks like stairs out of a funhouse or some madhouse of some kind. Those were never meant to be stairs because they go no place. There's nothing up there. They're part of an altar and must have had something to do with the sun's rays because we'd find another altar like this inside in the shadows here. I want you to notice the beautiful work here. The stones that had been fitted in with the natural stonework, of course. These are the natural formations that were there. And then they added their own stonework in there. It's like something Frank Lloyd Wright would create. Very, very beautiful. If we extend the shadows from the stone pegs downward, they come into this tomb. And I believe they were indicating something in the subterranean tomb below. In fact, I believe a great golden disk that were never found at Machu Picchu will be found in this temple someplace. I believe they're still hidden there.

This is the window of the setting sun in the tomb. Now, this is one of the reasons why I believe the temples were never meant to have a roof. If they did have a roof, the sun could never have shone down through the top of it. Next one. We see here the setting sun is hitting this window directly. Beneath it, we find the last part of the great stone altar. In 57, I decided to sleep overnight in the tomb. And I got several pictures just as the sun was coming up over the mountains in the east of the morning at 7 o'clock. As you see it here. You'll notice that the trapezoidal shape of the window permits, an exact rectangular block of sunlight on the altar. This altar is just big enough for a man to put his head here and his feet here. Some say, no, they must have been used for human sacrifice. But no, the Incas never had human sacrifice. I'm sorry if I'm destroying the illusion. If you've read that in stories, the Aztecs had it, but not the Incas.

They sacrificed once a year, one pure unspotted yamo, much like those in the Bible sacrificed a pure unspotted lamb, but not princesses. They were not going to the sun god or anyone else. Also, some have said they were altars for the preparation of the mummy. But the Peruvians did not mummify like the Egyptians. The bodies were preserved due to the dry condition of the climate. Why were the altars used and for what purpose? Now we begin to find a possible explanation of the number 17 that I told you about before. I think this might be a clue to one of the parts of the secret of the Incas. Of where they got their knowledge from. And again, they obtained some knowledge of cosmic and solar energy from the great empire that preceded them. They didn't have all of it, but they had much of it. And even now today, we find that we are just beginning to learn the possible potentials of the power of our own sun. We find the number 17 represented

in 17 sacred fountains, 17 wall niches, 17 stairways, and in the stonework of all South America. The number 17 is over and over again, in the stonework of all South America. The number 17 is over and over again, in the temples. Why? Is it just possible that the ancients knew what modern science does today? And that is that the 17th steroid of the human body controls rejuvenation and youthfulness. Now the 17th steroid is a sex hormone, a chemical. Is it possible that they realized that? And they also realized that for a very complicated system of lenses and reflectors, they would be able to bring down the sun's energy or rays and place it on an individual lying on these altars. And thereby affect or bring about a physiological effect and actually produce a change in the 17th steroid, thereby prolonging their life considerably. Maybe and maybe not. We can't be sure. This is another picture taken at the same time.

You'll see the rectangular block of sunlight. Now I want you to notice the little stone projection in the lower right corner of the window. There are four of these on the outside of this window, which we see in the next slide. This is the corner you were just looking at. These held. As we can tell by looking at them, a great weight at one time. And we believe a disk. Not a disk of gold, which by the way, gold is a very good filtering agent itself. But we believe a disk of quartz, perhaps. Some kind of a lens. The sun was brought down through that lens and on into the temple, onto the individuals there. We found around Machu Picchu in 57, great altars with scooped out areas that must have originally held gigantic disks of some sort. The picture we get, therefore, is this. That those altars at a higher position and above the city collected the sun's rays and then focused them down in a very concentrated form through other disks and ledges

on into the temples. Therefore, they were not permitted to have a roof or a fourth wall. This is the question I want to leave with you then tonight. The question is mostly with the second part of the secret of the Ings. The origin we're not too interested in. After all, the Ings existed. We know that. It's not too important where they came from. We know they must have come from somewhere. But the more important part of the secret of the Ings is the tremendous knowledge that they inherited from somewhere. And I believe, friends, that knowledge was very definitely connected with visitation from space in the ancient past. We find, as I told you at the beginning of the lecture tonight, the stories in the Inka legends of the Rampa Livyak are the litters of electric energies. They say they came to Earth. They were silent. They were glowing and apparently intelligently controlling. We find the same stories in the papyrus records of Egypt

and the time of Pharaoh Thutmose III as the fire servants, in India as the Vamanas and the flying boats, amongst the North American Indians as the flying boats. The Inkas also spoke of them as the flying moons, and they called them eagles at times. It's rather strange. We have also references in our own holy Bible that they should be gathered together in the eagles' places. But anyway, we do find legends of the Inka legends of the Rampa Livyak. We do find legends of the Inka legends of the Rampa Livyak. We do find legends of the Rampa Livyak. what appears to have been UFOs and UFO activity in the ancient past amongst the Incas. Also we find in the records references that the Chaskys, who were the runners of the Emperor on his royal road, reported many times as they came into one of their stations that they had seen such objects in the sky above them. Recently a friend of mine who was completing a book about the last days of the Inca Empire

told me in Canada that recently, in checking some of the very old records, he had found reference by some of the Incas who later wrote records, because the Incas originally had no written language, but later wrote in Spanish, wrote records that at the death of Huayna Capac, one of the great Inca emperors, a great rampalibiac, or litter of electric energy, was seen hovering over the palace before and after he died. And sometime later when his son, Ahuatlalp, was killed by Pizarro in the plaza at Cajamarca, Peru. I remember the story, remember Ahuatlalp that we learned about in school, who put his finger up in the room and said, if you will, I will fill this with gold if you will save my life. And Pizarro killed him, couldn't wait until the room had been filled. I stood in that room in 1957, it still stands. Anyway, as Ahuatlalp was being brought into the plaza at Cajamarca to be strangled, one of these rampalibiacs went over the plaza and circled it several times.

To me this is very interesting. And I'm now getting ready to do a book called The Secret Place of the Stairs.

I'm going to do two others. I'm just mentioning this now because some of you said you've been quite interested in Secret Places of the Lion. There are two books to come after it. Secret Places of the Lion dealt with the Holy Land and with Egypt. Secret Places of the Stairs will do the same thing for the Incas in Peru, and Secret Places of Thunder will deal with the Aztecs and Mayas of Mexico. It's going to be... To get the full story, you have to get the full story. You have to get the full story. You have to get all of those because they're like three volumes of the one book. So the question I leave with you tonight, then, is this. Did ancient man just worship the sun from a pagan and superstitious standpoint as a physical body, or did he really worship it as some of the records claim? He said that the heat of the sun was divine love, the light of the sun was divine wisdom, or stood for that. That is the philosophical conception or concept, but is there something even deeper than that?

Friends, I feel that now we are coming to the point where science and religion are coming together. Actually, they were never separated except in our own mind. Truth cannot contradict truth. Science and religion are one. The ancient priests were not only priests who performed magical rituals in a temple

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for a superstitious public, but they were also scientists, and the temples were scientific laboratories as well as places of ritual. We're coming back. We're coming back to that place once again, the place that the ancients knew. So did they really realize that rays and energy from the sun, when properly and scientifically applied, could be used and benefit all of their people? The indications are that is one of the secrets of the ancients and that is certain, that they did have such knowledge. Those are the thoughts that I want to leave with you tonight. I hope it's given you something to think about. It's been very nice being in the Los Angeles area again. Misha and I are now going to move south. You'll see Van Passel for a couple of days. And then going over to see my parents in Arizona, and from there down to Texas to see John. And then sometime after that, we're going to go back to Peru again for about three months.

And we hope to be back in this area toward the end of August. At the end of September in Canada, we're going to go on an expedition there for about a month in an attempt to look for the abominable snowman. I don't know if we'll find him or not. I don't know. Misha says she almost hopes we don't. But anyway, while we're up there, we'll investigate some of the legends of those people. So I do want to thank you for your attention tonight. I hope we've given you something to think about. With me, his talk was, one of the wishes were that I could go with him on his next trip.

It's very interesting to travel and see the sights, take the pictures of things that this young fellow has done.

Wouldn't that be nice? That would sure be wonderful. I think now we will have someone pass through the audience for a collection, as you all know, from these standings.

So Dan, it will take just a minute to tell us just exactly what this group is for. Most of you have heard me on many occasions mention a few of the things.

The first is to furnish thinking is done for us.

Being brainwashed. Being brainwashed in one direction or another. We're told what to think in this direction. We're told what to think in that direction. We have so much high-pressure salesmanship from every direction.

We have become almost conditioned to allow authority to do our thinking for us.

We see this time and time again in cases. People are excited, for instance, everyone, instead of looking at it, deciding for himself or thinking for himself what it might be,

they'll say, well, what does this men themselves?

Probably not any wiser. They're on the average than anyone else. So we have to get back to an era where we do a little of our own thinking. We continue indefinitely to allow someone else, some authority, to do our thinking for us. We're going to find ourselves in a robot civilization. We have to do a little thinking for ourselves. And it has always been the feeling of those backing understanding that if we furnish material for thought,

we will stimulate thought. And if thought is stimulated, the people who do the thinking will arrive and push any dogma.

We don't push any belief. We don't try to lead or guide any person to acceptance of anything. We merely try to furnish material which they can analyze and which will cause them to think for themselves. At the end of the lecture, if you're interested in joining the group, perhaps in the business end of the group,

in the organizational part of it. I know that most of you people are interested in this or you wouldn't have been here tonight. So if you are interested in joining, when I see Dan or Alma or my wife, Vera, any of the people in the rear of the room who would be glad to explain a little more to you and perhaps take an application if you'd like to join. One more word in passing. As you leave tonight, there's a table in the rear of the room with several different types of publications. Rick will be back there. You can ask any questions that you like. And I think he has one book back there that is for sale. And there's various other books if you are interested in coming tonight. I think we all enjoyed it and had a real good time. I'd like to give Rick a last word of applause. I think that he's done a wonderful job tonight. I'd like to make an announcement here for those of you who are interested.

I received a letter just tonight from the Dan Lundberg Show in Los Angeles,

sponsored by 8 Coakley Newspapers, Vera, Los Angeles area. As an understanding group, we do get notices of this sort sometimes, which you might not otherwise get. But this is something that I think is of particular interest to, a number of you, or perhaps will be, because we heard a great deal about it last year. The Dan Lundberg Show, set forward by half an hour to 9 p.m. Sundays, commencing March 8, devotes its coming Sunday half hour to the question, What motivates the proponents of a cancer commission? Dr. Ian McDonald, eminent physician in cancer research, obtained two arrangements with the Los Angeles County Medical Association, will discuss the profession's view in a proposed cancer commission bill facing the California legislature. On the following Sunday, March 15, the view of the opponents of such a commission will be presented by Mr. Fred Hart, President of the National Health Federation, and Mr. Maurice Nattyberg of Chicago,

widely known in the medical publishing field and author of the controversial book, The Cancer Blackout. Similar legislation was defeated during the last legislative session. Rival campaigns from several different quarters indicate that the issue is hotter than ever, according to the producer of the program KCOP, Channel 13, Jean Regine. She added that the format ordinarily presents a panel of guests, but that the spokesmen on the differing sides of the controversy will find it both less disruptive to appear separately, as well as more effective to have a full half hour in which to answer the moderators' questions. So there you will have the two sides, or at least discussions on the two sides of the question, What motivates the proponents of a cancer commission? You know that legislation is coming up again this year, the same legislation that was defeated last year. It can change very little. It's essentially the same form that it had last year,

but is being presented again to the American Medical Association

to state what cures can occur in the treatment of cancer. It will also state who may and who may not treat, and in what way it can be done. And it will be for those in the commission, which will be composed of very few people, to eliminate practically everyone from medical practice who does not meet their personal standards. Arguments on both sides, which, as I just mentioned, you will hear aired on the radio this coming Sunday and the next Sunday. The proponents of the legislation will air their views this Sunday, and the opponents on Sunday, March 15. I might say that if you watch these programs, you should do quite a little thinking along with them, because it frequently happens that even in discussions such as this, the real essence of the question is skipped by both sides.

I've observed many of these discussions, and I've always wound up with a sort of feeling of futility. I thought, well, they didn't touch the real issues at all, and neither side did. Arguing on collateral to do with the real issues,

there are many other questions. I think that concludes.

He and a group working there went out to a ranch,

which is near Sao Paulo, some months ago, and attempted contact with the occupants of the UFOs. Nothing happened the first night. Faria had to return to Sao Paulo because of his work there the next day. But four days later, an enormous UFO showed up directly over the ranch, and the other people who had stayed on witnessed this appearance. Also, a UFO came 20 meters over a marine vessel in June last year. The Brazilian Navy took photographs again. At Itaipu Fortress near Praia Grande, Santos, Brazil, in November 1957, a gigantic UFO came very low over the fortress. Something took place. However, this is now a secret of the Brazilian Army, but everybody in Brazil talks about it. At Rio Grande do Sul, to get a little facetious for a moment, a man saw a saucer land and the occupant get out, and he immediately emptied the contents of his pistol at the occupant. Also, immediately, he felt a terrific shock wave,

which knocked him down and knocked him out. When he came to, the saucer and the man had disappeared, and he was absolutely stunned. He was absolutely unharmed. The shock wave had only temporarily knocked him out. Now, this is considered one of the big secrets in Brazil. A UFO landed at a military reservation recently in the state of Sao Paulo. A man came out of the ship and was approached by the camp commander. This man in the ship spoke perfect Portuguese. He said, there is a defect in our mechanism, and we only ask you time to repair the ship, then we will leave. He also said, please ask your men and soldiers to stand at a greater distance, because the force field of the ship is dangerous for their physical health. And they stood at a greater distance. As I understand it, this was a friendly meeting, but very little is known about it in Brazil at the present time. Also, the average man in the street in Brazil knows that there is such a thing as UFOs.

They may not all believe that they are spaceships, but they know there is such a thing as UFOs. They also know that their country has a secret agreement with other nations of the world to keep quiet about UFOs and UFO activity at the present time. Also, while I was in Brazil, I met Dino Crespadão. His real name is not Dino Crespadão. He's only taken that so that he won't be bothered by a lot of curiosity seekers and so forth in Brazil. He's now learning the English language and soon is going to go to England to lecture. I only mention that because I think some of you have received his book or will be receiving his book in English. I found him, I think anyway, to be a very good friend. He's a very sincere and fine reporter of the experiences that he's had. Now to move to Portugal and Fatima. Remember I said Protestants and Catholics alike in Europe say surely God manifested here, whatever it may have been. Now I have to take two or three minutes

to give you the background of this because after all a story isn't worth very much. It's just something you heard on the street corner. But I want to give you the excellent background of this story. Many of you, I think, have heard of Albert Einstein or Alberto Perigo, the former Italian council in Italy, who one day several years ago was looking out of his office window over Vatican City, over St. Peter's, and saw 40 unidentified flying objects come together in the shape of a cross over the Vatican. Perhaps a lot of you have heard of that sight. I think it was 40, 38 or 40, about that many UFOs. He reported this to his government and they told him, look, you're the only one that reported it and first of all, if we believed you and had seen it ourselves, how in heaven's name can we announce to the rest of the world that 40 spaceships from other worlds made the shape of a cross over the Vatican. He survived Mussolini and all the changes in Italy,

but he himself says, I couldn't survive UFOs. He knows that he was let out of his position as council because of his books and his beliefs on UFOs. He has a friend. They had been friends as children, but they later separated. Their paths went in opposite directions because the young man went into a seminary to become a priest. This young man is one who has attained a lot of fame in Italy recently. I don't know if the story has reached the United States yet or not, but some months back he went to his superiors and said he wished to be released from his vows as a priest because he had fallen in love and wished to be married. He was not excommunicated and is still a member in good standing of the church and was let out of his vows. It was all done properly. However, because of this, I believe we now have this story at least sooner than we would have otherwise. After being released from his vows, he talked to Perigo and told him of this fourth letter.

He was in the entourage of Cardinal Tisserant when the third letter was read, and this is the story. Lucia, one of the children who had witnessed Fatima, now a nun in a convent in Portugal, had another appearance of the beautiful lady who dictated a fourth letter. This fourth letter was recently sent through the bishop at Toulouse on to Pope Pius a few weeks before he passed away. The instructions were you are to read the letter alone. He opened the fourth letter which said simply, because world conditions have speeded up to such an extent, you are now to open letter number three instead of in 1960, and you are to read it in the presence of the College of Cardinals, which he did. Now this young man, who I said was released from his vows, was in the entourage of Cardinal Tisserant, the French Cardinal Dean of the College of Cardinals, and he heard the reading of the letter. He said the letter was so shocking

that there was quite a disturbance amongst the prelates who were there at the time. I'm not trying to make any connections, but let's remember that just shortly afterwards one of the cardinals had a heart attack and Pope Pius himself passed away. I'm not trying to say that they passed away due to the influence of the letter. I am only bringing these facts up to date. This is what the letter had to say. He wouldn't say exactly word for word, but gave the general contents. Many people have felt the letter, the third letter, would deal with Russia and the Third World War. Actually, the letter didn't deal with either of those things. First of all, it was a tremendous reprimand, and this was the shocking part, he claimed, a tremendous reprimand to men in high sacred office throughout the world, not only Catholics, but Protestants as well. All men, it said, in high sacred office who have not fulfilled their obligations and duties to that office

and who have not, as we might say, fed the master's flock, as they should have. Then the next part spoke of the punishments that were shortly to come upon the earth now that an era of civilization was at an end. Not the end of the world, but the end of the age. So the third letter to be read in 1960 has already been read. Now this is causing quite a sensation in Italy. And as yet the church has said nothing. I think we'll be hearing more about it as time goes on. Also while in Italy, I happened to go to the mine, the coal mine, where the 12 million year old man was recently found. I got in Italy just a few days after the discovery by Professor Herzler of the Basel Natural History Museum in Switzerland. How many of you have heard of this discovery? It's called the Oreopithecus or the Bacinello Man after the name of the mine. Well, Herzler is being quite conservative because these lignite deposits in Tuscany can also be 20 million years old.

This is the importance of the discovery. I feel that discoveries now are coming out in science such as the things I've just read you hear about ancient maps in the past where the earth was mapped from the air. I think these discoveries are coming out in all fields and they are acting like holes in the dike that are going to wash away all the old orthodox views and make way for the new. They're happening in medical science. And friends, to me this is the greatest happening and the great proof whether we ever see UFOs or even believe in them. Because I don't think UFOs are the greatest thing of the day. They're the signs of the times, they are the signs in the heavens, the visible signs or manifestations of this change. But the earth is now going through the greatest social revolution it's ever known. Toynbee, Fulton Sheen, Sue Hard and others have said exactly the same thing. We are now witnessing one era or the end of that era of civilization

and ready to go into another. Tremendous things are taking place and tremendous changes are taking place. I feel that the discovery of the Baccinello Man is the hole in the dike of anthropological science. Because it does away with our old friend Charlie Darwin almost 100% at least in some aspects. But I don't think we have to feel too badly about that because after all some people say

[02:00:00] Daniel Fry questions and closing discussion

well then why did he ever have to live at all and why did he have to do his work? Well you can't get to the step higher than you until you go to another step. When you get to the top landing you don't say all those steps were worthless because under the top landing now they were very necessary. Charlie Darwin was necessary too. But we are learning new things. Hertzler says that the importance of this discovery is not that the man is 12 million years old and we know that science has been saying for years that man has only been here a half or one million years at the most. Now we find 12 times that. But he says if we have that highly developed a human form 12 million years ago man has been here at least 40 million. This is very important. The second part of it is the change in the theory of Darwin. And this has been suspected for the last decade or two and now definitely provable by the finds at Baccinello. Very briefly Darwin's belief was

that man had ascended the evolutionary scale by beginning in the amoeba or one cell form and then going through the reptilian, mammal, ape forms and on to man. A single line of descent. For several years they have felt that this was not a single line of descent but the why of descent. In other words man and apes came from the same species. Man did not come from apes. That here we have a species now extinct. Something happened at the top part of this which nobody knows. This is the great missing link. And then off one side came man and the other side apes. Not man from apes but man and apes from the same species now extinct. And maybe that species isn't extinct. It might be represented in the abominable snowman. That's just a guess. But the creature could have been and may be very, very intelligent could have been driven to the highest points on the earth's surface as yet unexplored. Be that as it may anyway this find definitely proves

that man did not come from apes. I am an evolutionist because we can see from various rock strata even here in the Grand Canyon a horse the size of a fox terrier originally and on up through the various developments until we have the horse the large animal that we have today. Evolution can be proved. But what happened at this point of the missing link? What took place? This reminds me of some of the radio communications of some years past where it was stated by UFO occupants when I asked the question what is the missing link and does it exist? And they said yes it does exist but you'll never find it because it's spiritual not organic. That begins to tie in. Also you can be an atheist and take this theory because you can say at this point of the why chemicals got together and an accident took place. Or you can be a devout believer and say God or the creator caused it all. So I feel the discovery of this man will begin to break down

some of the old views and ideas. I was privileged to go out with Reuters news agency into the mind myself and look at this find. I think it's very important. Now it's rather difficult to believe that the dome of an astronomical observatory one of the major observatories of the world can be disintegrated in seconds and yet the news never reaches the outside world. It actually went all over in Italy in the newspapers last year. But when I got to France and England I talked to people. I said well you know about the observatory blowing up and they said what are you talking about? And I said you mean you didn't hear about it? They said well we haven't had any news of it. Nobody ever read it or heard about it. I went out to the observatory and saw it myself. This is what happened. On July 15th last year at 1115 at night Professor Armellini the well-known astronomer was going in under the dome of Rome's great Mont Mario Observatory

or Mars Mountain. Observatory. When suddenly the entire steel dome was enveloped in flames and in two or three seconds was completely disintegrated and not a trace left. The professor was so shocked he dropped dead of a heart attack on the spot. Now that in itself is an important news item. But even more important is the fact that about 20 minutes before that UFO activity was quite intense over Rome. I am not saying UFOs blew up the observatory. I hesitate to say and I hesitate sometimes to mention this for that reason because I think there are other explanations. I mention it because I think this group here this afternoon has at least most of you have spent several years in UFO research and can understand the sighting. Why is it that that wasn't reported? It's quite important. From Italy as I said before I moved on in through Austria, Germany and France. I did not lecture in France and by the way I lectured in many places. I'm not mentioning that here.

I don't think it's of importance. I feel that it's important to mention this. I feel that the sightings and other things that I'm giving you are of more importance but I did lecture all along the way if I possibly could. In France I couldn't. The French people were on vacation at that time. I didn't get a chance to do it. When I got to England I met Lord Dowding Air Marshal Lord Dowding. I mention him because he is a perfect example that no matter how famous or great a man is the world is not going to believe him if suddenly he sees UFOs or believes in rather peculiar things or things that are considered peculiar. He was the great hero of the Battle of Britain. He was the highest ranking Air Force man in the British Air Force. And while people respect him for that now they say well he's old you know and he's getting just a bit daft. He's a little peculiar. Just because a man's a great scientist doesn't mean or a great man in the world

doesn't mean that the world is going to believe in UFOs suddenly if he says they exist. And Lord Dowding does say they exist. Also I met Philip Rogers. He's a young musician. You'll be hearing about him. A very fine young blind musician who has received strange voices on his tape recorder. Some of them have been explained. Others have not been explained. At least the contact has been authenticated by the BBC chief engineer. Very unusual things. We don't have time to discuss them this afternoon. Also remember I'm going to have to go back a second. I see I've forgotten something about the four university professors at Naples. Some years ago they read The Saucer Speak which had just come out in Italian. They decided to try radio contact and they were successful. Also they were told to have a TV set of contact and two or three times they received flashes on the TV screen from the inside of the ships themselves. They also received telephone communications

and contacts. They have tape recorded these. They have documentary evidence in the form of photographs and so forth and so on. They have a great deal of material and one of the professors who speaks perfect English is planning on coming to the United States soon to lecture in the United States for his presentation. All I can say now because of the time limit this afternoon is that it's extremely important and they do have the proof. As yet they've said nothing because of their connection with the university. Soon they don't care what the university says because now they have what they have been working for. Also in England I examined the copper disk that fell on Silpho Mor. Perhaps some of you have heard about it. It was witnessed by several men this copper disk that fell on the Mor. At first it looked like a tremendous hoax. It looks like some child went into the bathroom pulled out all the plumbing fixtures and made something and then threw it

out of an airplane. But this was opened and inside 17 copper plates were found with very unusual hieroglyphics. Also a resinous material that has defied analysis. I just don't know. It looks like a hoax at the same time there are some very peculiar things about it. Something else you might be interested with is in connection with Stonehenge which I think has a tie in with the enormous lines that are seen from the air that we discussed earlier in the lecture this afternoon. Stonehenge is only a hub of something bigger. Recently in air surveys they have found that around Stonehenge are 12 sections. It's so vast you couldn't possibly see it from the ground. You must be very high above it. Stonehenge itself is only a hub. One of the directors of Flying Saucer Review in England is a personal friend of the well-known H.T. Wilkins not the explorer H.T. Wilkins but H.P. Wilkins. Wilkins does not believe in UFOs. But recently he was having lunch with Wilkins just before I left London

and Wilkins said I have just received communication from two well-known Russian astronomers who have announced that Mars has life on it and it's much more intelligent than our own. And this is now the public and official belief in Russia about intelligent life. Also, while I was in England I covered most of England by the way in a lecture tour and I was sponsored in Scotland by the Countess of Mayo. And while there I know there's been a lot of talk of whether I did or whether I didn't but while there I did go to Balmoral Castle. It's eight miles from Ballater where I lectured. Dr. Middleton Her Majesty's doctor also attended my lecture while I was in Ballater and we went to his home afterwards and discussed UFOs and related matters. He is very interested. There's some things I just wouldn't say. Naturally you'd expect that.