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Galvin Girvin 1958

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[00:00] Opening remarks and introduction

He is an author. He has a book out, The Knight Has a Thousand Saucers. And he has just returned from a lecture tour up through the northwest here.

And he has a lot to tell us, so without any more, I will introduce Calvin Gerber. Thank you, Vera. Well, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. If I always make this known at the very beginning of such a talk, that if at any time anybody in the back of the room cannot hear me, take off a shoe and throw it up here, because I have quite a collection of shoes at home. And that way everybody will get to hear what I have to say. This evening, of course, on my way down to this area from North Hollywood, I didn't know exactly what I was going to say. This... Of course, we'll all be... We'll be... What would be the proper adjective? Spontaneous? This tour that I just returned from, my father's most point was Vancouver, British Columbia, and Canada. And I started out here in Pasadena. I went alone, and believe me, folks, I had quite an education. Or I derived quite an education from this. I've met all kinds of people. I found myself in the environment of all kinds of clubs.

And believe it or not, I even met one man, a very successful businessman in the state of Oregon, in the city of Portland, Oregon, who thought that this business of the various nations of the world having satellites in orbit about this planet was propaganda. Propaganda. He was not ready to accept this, that this was just propaganda. How could I talk to such a man about flying saucers? As I said, this was quite an education. I will skip over this trip from stop to stop and tell you what happened. All the interesting points. As I stated, I was... I started out in Pasadena, a unit of understanding, and here I found something quite interesting. Something that I did not find anywhere along the way. I was interviewed. I mean, I'm not trying to speak in such a way that my ego was hurt or flattered or anything else. But in order to... The point I'm... First of all, the point that I'm trying to get across is that this thing of understanding is not something that you can...

That you can... Somebody gives it to you. You have to be the one that is searching for it. And in most cases, we have found in our way of life, those who are successful in life have really... Have paid through the nose in most cases for what they have received. This is something that you can't just very casually drift into a lecture hall and sit down and expect to hear something. You might even fall asleep, regardless. How important or how this lecture might be. You still might fall asleep because, basically, you got inside without paying one cent. And you sat down and you might have been entertained or you might have fallen asleep. This is something that this unit of understanding is creeping out all over the United States

[04:00] Galvin Girvin on 'Thousand Saucers'

and perhaps someday around the world. It's something that you can be very active in. And the way to be active in this organization, of course, is to be an active part of it. In Pasadena, they had the press. They interviewed me prior to the lecture and a few more questions after the lecture. They took pictures and the following day or so, this interview was published in the paper of their city newspaper. In one edition, it made the front page, which was astounding. And in the other edition, it did make the second or third page, with picture. Well, this is quite interesting. These are things that all groups should be made acquainted with. That when they are having such a meeting, at this, on flying saucers, or whatever it might be, that an invitation would be extended to the press of that area. Not only to the press, but to, perhaps, should we say, outstanding people of the community, the political leaders, and such,

to find out what they are doing. And that's what we're doing. To find out what their people are thinking. To find out what their people are doing on their evenings away from their place of employment and so forth. Perhaps they, too, might become interested. I left Pasadena and started in the general direction of San Mateo, California. Here I was met by Mrs. Barnes and her husband. And here, too, we have another unit of understanding. Very, very fascinating, very interesting people. They meet in a small, I don't believe three-quarters of the size of this room. And it, too, it was packed. They couldn't have set another person in there if they would have tried. They anticipated a crowd, so they had chairs setting by that people could sit outside in the hall and have a speaker out there. Now, this, again, is not exactly their fault, but they do not know how the people are going to react to speakers when they come to town.

So if they have what they consider a very good speaker, they have an overflowing crowd. If they have what might be considered a speaker that wouldn't be too interesting, their crowds are quite small. So they sort of prepare for small crowds. Now, there were people sitting in the outside hall. And I found this a little hard, because I like to talk to people that way, because I like to look at people right down their noses, if possible. And I couldn't do this. Well, an interesting thing, when I did stick my neck out far enough to look out of this hall, I saw a sign on a door. Radio station. They were so near a radio station, but yet there was no, there was no mention made of a radio interview or anything of this type. These things should be done. And the word of whatever it might mean to an individual, flying saucers, reincarnation, whatever it is, there are people who want to hear about it. And uninformed people sit at home,

watch television, go to the movies, and whatever they do, they are being entertained or listening many times to things that they haven't any interest in. But here was something going on, and if I would have only known this, I would have been there. Well, I don't know where they would have put them in San Mateo, but I would have liked to, of course, seen a much bigger hall and more people. The people here are very, very kind. They have hearts as big as this room. All of them. They're very generous with their criticism, and I learned a great deal in this area. They, of course, the next step was across to Santa Rosa. Here, too, this meeting hall was not quite, it wasn't too large. It was packed also. This was the first time I went out on such a trip, and of course, maybe some of the people in some cases thought, well, this is a new man. We will see what the reaction is. Perhaps the next time we will get a bigger hall. Well, this place, too, was packed.

And it was, quite interesting, after the meeting, to talk to a number of the people to find out that there were other halls that could accommodate larger crowds, that they, too, had facilities for radio and television, and that they, too, had a newspaper service in this town. And then somebody said, well, you know, we did send something in to the newspapers in regard to this meeting, but it was never printed. And I asked them, well, could it be possible for me to see what, what you sent in? And they mentioned a very nasty word. They mentioned the word of flying saucers. And it didn't receive any attention at all, I suppose. The copy that was sent in was coiled in the waste paper basket. So here is another interesting point. When such groups as this prepare a copy for the newspapers and so forth, that perhaps it would be advisable to stay away of this word of flying saucers. I don't believe that the word in itself is adequate,

but it is a word that was coined back in 1947 and one that we can't get away from. I bought a dictionary last week, and lo and behold, in FLY they told us what it meant. In some cases it was a little bug, and in another case it was flying saucers. And below it was flying saucers. So Webster himself has recognized these things and included in his dictionary. But perhaps we could mention this as aerial phenomena or space phenomena or something in that particular light. Maybe people would say, well, what's this all about? And it might bring out people that have never been exposed to the story before. The next meeting, after leaving Santa Rosa, took me over on Highway 99 to Turlock. Here this meeting, this is not a unit of understanding, but these people are very, very, very gracious also. Their meeting was held in a private home, and I do believe that every chair in that home was filled. There were about, whatever, I think it was sort of a reception room.

This person is a doctor. But there were, I would estimate, 60 to 75 people present at this meeting. Very, very interested in flying saucers or space phenomena. So much that meeting broke up after 12 o'clock because it was in a home. But an interesting point is this also. All of these people assembled here in this home and well, if I would have known that this was going to be so thought provoking, so interesting, I would have brought a friend. But after looking around, they might have said to themselves, where would they have sat? Because it was packed. I made mention of this to these people that they too might look around and might find larger areas. This, in essence, was the case the whole way along. The meeting hall themselves were not adequate enough to take care of these crowds of people. And where much I did receive some radio and newspaper publicity, but very little. These here are avenues that have to be worked upon.

That they have to be invited. When someone is invited, then they feel that in some cases they are obligated. We have to use all manner of psychology to get people out. Not to hear individuals speak, but provoke thought. If that is all that is done, we have done a great deed, as our brothers upstairs have told us. From Turlock, I went on to Sacramento. Well, I had a problem here. Sacramento is sort of on the fence. They are trying in some way to make up their mind whether perhaps to join Understanding or whether to remain an independent organization. I don't know what they will choose to do, but I hope they join Understanding. But here, I was given an address and I went, and no one was at home. And still no one at home. I went back and then I left a note at 3 o'clock to find out that these people had moved just the week before. And the people that were living there did not know where they lived or where they moved to. Well, this looked

as though this was going to be a rainy night for me. So, I was staying in a hotel and I went back to the hotel and was having dinner. And right in the middle of my dinner, I got a telephone call

an hour late. I didn't have dinner. Which I did. I was right in the middle of something. I don't know exactly what it was. But I looked up and I recognized an old friend that I met up at the convention last year. We did have a very wonderful meeting that evening. They meet in a very large pool, a room, and there is seating capacity there for several hundred people. This place was not packed. There were, I would estimate, somewhere around 125 people. I was keeping my ears open. I was keeping my eyes open. I was watching because this much of this report that I am giving here this evening is going on paper back to these various organizations to let them know how I feel about them. What I have seen, perhaps, in some way maybe I can add to their club in some way. I surely hope so. In fact, after leaving Sacramento, I came back into the San Francisco area again and was the guest of Gwen Della Larson living in Oakland, California.

This woman is very busy. I was quite impressed by her activity and her home. I dare say she is the only one that I have met in this I think, actually, I put over 4,000 miles on the car. I don't know where I was driving, but I did. I put over 4,000 miles on the car driving around even back roads, talking to people who lived way back in the hills and so forth. But here was one woman out of all of these other clubs that was doing something. I mean to tell you, this woman is not running a club. This woman is running a business and she is treating it as such. We have to realize that in this day that we live, that the medium of exchange for service is an item that we call money. And this woman is running a business with that in mind. She wants to see this club of hers or this business of hers grow and expand. And I think this is needed in just about every club that I have come in contact with. I spoke in Berkeley at the Williams College,

I believe. Very interesting group of people here. Very interesting surroundings can be found in this area. It's putting the flying saucers which I prefer to use because it's known. It's putting the flying saucers back into a dignified state of being. Here we held a meeting in a very spacious, exactly what you would call it. One of its large offices or, nice, the appearance of the place. It had a feeling of, they had pictures on the wall. They had fine, finely carved furniture. They had a rug on the floor. You felt at home. And when people came in here to sit down, they were in an atmosphere that was created even before the speaker started talking. And it was quite complimentary to the speaker and to the people who came to hear what was given that evening. My next, of course, the next lecture was held in San Francisco. And in San Francisco some strange things happened to me. I couldn't quite understand what avenue to take. This,

of course, this lecturing in going from one city to the other, as I said, this was my first time out. I suppose you go out the first time to learn. Well, I certainly learned quite a bit. I had a very interesting crowd. I would say somewhere between three, four, five hundred. I don't know exactly how many. The place was pretty well packed. And I was looking at everybody. I was looking, trying to observe while I was talking. Look at them. Perhaps sometimes see them on the street. I could say, hello there. With that in mind, basically. And also watching their reactions as to if they were smart or smiling when they were not supposed to be smiling. And so forth. I did notice a man sitting in the front row who kept his eyes trained on me constantly. After this meeting of about two hours of talking and questions were over, this man came up to me and he told me, he said, I had an infliction that happened on my life several years ago.

And after that he fell to his knees looking up into my face with his hand clothed one of the most well, this I have never experienced. And he said, heal me. Well, I knew I had to be very tactful at this time. I couldn't do something and maybe overnight become another Billy Mundy. I had to talk to this man in a few words and try to convince him that it was him. If he wanted to heal, that it was he who had to do it. And I conveyed this thought to him. Perhaps he might have been a little disappointed. When he left, I was a little relieved. I didn't know how to cope with this. At the end of this meeting, or when most of the people were getting away, I suppose there were 25, 30 people talking in a group, and a woman reached through the group with her hand. And this again was something that I had never experienced before. And some people, I do believe, did have to object a little. But she apologized and stated to them, all I wanted to do was

just touch the hem of his garment. Now, these things are very, very nice and very flattering. But these things that happen keep other people away from meetings such as this. And I got that woman to the side and explained to her how I felt about her little whatever she thought it was, or whatever you might call it. These things are not done. That we are out to give to the world something that it seems as though the world, in many cases, they're not ready for. A lot of people have made that statement. But I do believe that the world is ready for it. And we have to find the proper people and set up the proper organizations and bring people into the proper environment to the point where they can understand and appreciate what is being stated and get the meaning behind it all. It is a little confusing. In some cases, this has happened. We have a personality in the saucer field such as your national president, Dan Fry. Take a tour up to Vancouver.

In doing so, there are many people that attend his lectures that have never attended such a talk before. And in doing so, they are very, very impressed. They state boy, if I would have only known this, I know about three or four families that would have enjoyed, would have appreciated coming to hear such a talk. So Dan, he goes on to the next town in his back home. And a month later, there's someone else who goes. Takes, makes the same tour. Perhaps this person is a little a little lax in their presentation. Or that they might be talking about things that the average person that would attend such a meeting for the first time would go right over their head. Using metaphysical terms, occult sciences, their terminology, their meanings, and so forth. Talking to a group of people that are adepts that were in metaphysics or even in occult studies for years and years and years. This had been their life study. This lecturer giving this talk

to this group of people and to this other party who is here now for the second time and has brought with her three families. And these families are looking at her and her husband and saying, well, what is that person talking about? And they say, well, I don't know, but isn't it interesting? Now this happens and I know it happens. So when we know these things happen, and that they are happening this way, that I think it would be an excellent idea for this home group here in El Monte to set up some kind of not necessarily a house to edit what people can say, but to clear them. To find out what they are going to say. When every time you give a talk to a group such as this, there are always new people all the time. These new people are so confused if they hear something that they are not even quite sure the speaker knows what they are talking about. And in some cases, these remarks are being made. I thought it would be a wonderful idea.

When I got back from this trip, I had all kinds of visions of grandeur, of this organization of understanding could be the and it can be the organization around the world, but it would take somebody who was willing to give this full time. This would have to be a full time job, if you please, for somebody that would have the initiative, the drive behind them to do all of these many things. I think that on lecture tours, to begin with, that perhaps they should be sort of, after when I was in the service, after we did something in the field, then we all went back to the back area and we had what was called a critique. Well, maybe before lecturers go out on such a tour, that there should be a critique before they go out to find out what is going to be made and or stated and give the people surely what they want, but also something that they can understand. In some cases, not in all cases, but in some cases, this is going on. So what happens

is to resolve this, maybe someone like George Hunt Williamson is on his way north on another tour, and when George gets back to this area again and somebody, well hello George, how was your tour? Well, it wasn't too successful. There were not too many people showed up. I can't understand why, because last year, I had crowds everywhere I went. This person that was talking about all of this very esoteric wisdom and so forth and so on, that went above and out of the heads of most of the people. It was a little discouraging to them, and they decided well they wouldn't come back to anything like this again because they couldn't understand it anyhow. And here was another chap who could have given them something that they did understand, that they could have understood and would appreciate and they missed it again. So it's quite a situation. It's a very interesting one though. I see myself what can be done, how these things can be

directed. One of the most interesting clubs I believe that I did talk to was in Seattle, Washington. This club is a club that is not affiliated with any organization, although I do believe they keep their ear in the direction of Washington D.C. and NICAP, the organization that is run by Major Donald Kehoe. They were not too interested in sponsoring this one Gervin because they heard that he told pretty weird stories. And that they had quite a club, they had quite an organization built up and they didn't necessarily want it tore down by any joker getting up there giving off a bunch of fantastic tales. And I didn't in any way try to convince them that I thought that I could add to their organization in some way, but I sort of put it on the line, well do you or don't you? Because if you don't I'm going on and if you do I'm here in town and let's get on with it. But they did. And I did learn quite a bit here in this club. When

people come to this club for the very first time, they see something. Because on the front of their on the front of their stage their speaker is up on the stage and in front of the stage they have 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, and they have a map of the United States started for 1959. And in every one of these maps they have pins, colored pins, colored heads on them. And for every month of the year of 1954 on the month of May, which is a red pin with a silver stripe through it, you see where all of the saucers where all sightings were seen, were observed and reported by people all over the United States. And people come up and they can see something there. They go to 1955 and see the same thing, 1956, and this pattern is getting heavier and heavier and heavier. And there are definite patterns that these saucers are following. They also have other, say, white pins designating things falling from the sky and where these things fell. And they have a pin in there.

For every month of the year there is a different colored pin. For every unusual thing falling from the sky there is another colored pin. For every reported landing there is another different kind of a pin. And so on and so on. Now this covers a period from 1954 and in 1959, January and February, they had quite a few pins on that moon. Now these are things that people come into a club for the first time, they see it. Well, there must be something to this. I don't believe this, they say. This can't be possible. I never heard of this. They walk over to their file and pull it out and say, read. Because every one of those pins we have a piece of newspaper copy on file. And these maps, they're just not a pin here and there. They are United States. This is something I saw and I said, what would it cost me to get a set of those? And he said, they're not for sale. I said, well that's too bad because this could be a great service to organizations all over the country,

all over the world, to see something like this. I talked them into taking pictures of it. Going to take 35mm colored slides of them. Going to send me a copy of it.

[30:00] Flying saucer reports and interpretation

In doing so, I'm going to pass them around and hoping that I think they should be, would have copies of these moving pictures or these 35mm slides at the beginning of a meeting. They could slip them in a projector and say if you doubt what we have to say or what you read in our books and so forth and so on. Here is some evidence. And if you want to know more about these maps can be made available. There is a tremendous amount of work. And to run any club is a tremendous amount of work. And people that attend clubs, that are members of clubs, this is just not a social gathering. Believe me folks, this is something, a commodity. This thing of flying saucers as far as I am concerned anyway, it is a commodity that is for sale. And for anybody who wants to buy it in here they can have it. It takes understanding. Quite a bit of it. And that is what these clubs are trying to do. But they are being, they are limited in their way because in most cases

these are social events. And they shouldn't be that way. These should be very, very active organizations on the same parallel with the Moose, the Lions Clubs, and many of the other ones that are about the country. They are growing, expanding, springing up all over. This is what we want to see happen with understanding and all other organizations that are in rapport with these same subjects or in tune with the same wavelength of thinking. I got on into Vancouver, British Columbia, and here I was ushered down at 11.30 to a radio station. And there I met one called Jack Webster. He is a news commentator. And I thought, my goodness, this is going to be a radio interview in this room. It had the soundproofing equipment on the sides, of course. It had a linoleum floor and there were doors open. Like a tape recorder sitting over there. It just didn't look like a radio studio should look. But he got an interview. And the first five minutes

of this interview went out through a telephone jack into the radio station. This was a five minute spot at 12.05 at noon when 54% of all the radios in that area were listening to this very station. Mr. Webster asked the people, did you enjoy this interview? Well if you did, friends, and you want to hear more of this same subject, you call back to this number and you let us know. Because if you do, we'll have a little more of this interview on tomorrow and then a little more the following day. And if we can get things organized here, we'll have a White Owl show in Vancouver. Because I think I'm becoming interested and have been for some time in this subject of flying saucers. I want to find out if you are also. You people out there. Within the first minute after this radio program, they had the switchboard operators rather busy. They took 78 calls the first minute and they went on into the afternoon with calls coming in. They were quite impressed.

And in this interview, the psychology, I believe, that was employed. I think that was it. That evening, there were somewhere between four and five hundred people to the meeting, to the lecture. Quite a large hall. These people were out to tell the world of flying saucers. And they are doing quite a job. On my way back from Vancouver, of course I stopped in Portland. And I might mention, even before I got into or out of California, I should say, I stopped in a small town. This really impressed me very, very much. I stopped in a small town which is called Gazelle, California. In this town, as I drove into town, I saw a sign. Gazelle, California. Population 125. Very interesting. The meeting was held that evening in the local grammar school. So happens that the man who runs this club, this Siskiyou, or something of that kind, Flying Saucer Club, or to that effect, is one of the big shots on the school board. And he says, we're holding our meetings here,

and that's it. And they charge one dollar admission. They do not have any sign of their donation, but they have one dollar admission. There were 35 people who came to that lecture that evening. 35 people of 125 population of this town, that's quite a good percent. I'm not stating now, of course, that all of the people came from the town itself, perhaps outlying foreign land but there were 35 people there. There was a little boy who came up to me, or he was by the books, and he said, my, is this what a flying saucer really looks like? I think this chap might have been 11 or 12. I said, yes, that is what one of the flying saucers looked like. He said, well that sure is a beautiful ship. I said, well thank you very kindly. This little 11 year old boy asked some very, very, after this question and answer period prior to the lecture, he made the statement, he said, I wish I had three dollars. I said, well what would you do with three dollars if you had it?

He said, I would buy one of those books. And I picked up the book and I said, well here, you take it home with you. He said, but I don't have three dollars. I said, you said you wished to have this book. So here it is, and you share it with all of your friends. Will you do that? He said he most certainly would and he didn't attend the lecture. He went on home to read the book. In Portland, Oregon, I again was on a radio show. This chap, his name is Hal Starr. He is one of the news commentators. The radio station is quite comparable to that of KABC here in Los Angeles. It reaches many, many people. And Mr. Starr is quite a personality himself. He has quite a background in radio. Keeps himself informed on all information leading up to this exploration of outer space. He has people such as Willie Lay and Von Braum in his home as guests. He takes them, he told me, into his basement where he serves one of the craziest cocktails

and it has a very interesting effect on these great minds. In some way those little ball bearings that hinge on the end of the tongue in the back portion of the head they seem to lose their well, they get out of orbit. In doing so, they say things perhaps they wouldn't say unless this situation or this environment were not created. And he finds out many interesting things. Some of the questions that he has asked them of course were in conjunction with this story of the flying saucer. And that they admit it though he told me that these things are very true and could not understand why of course they couldn't come forth and give it the old official okay being that they are what people look up to as authority that if they said flying saucers were real well then everybody would believe it. But of course we have to realize that they have egos also and that the things that they are trying to sell the world are doing a pretty good job of selling it.

I myself was in rocket development to a certain phase of it for approximately two and a half years and in the last year of that two and a half years we were working on a new type of motor that would send the atlas at altitudes never reached before and we put quite a bit of time and effort and everything that we had within ourselves into this project of building this motor holding tolerances that were almost impossible when you're working into compound radiuses and holding 25 millionths it gets pretty nerve wracking at times and that this project of course was for North American or Rocketdyne and North American and I think the initial lump sum that Rocketdyne received was in the neighborhood of 8 million and then it was 32 million and then 4 or 5 more million and by the time this motor was completed the earth the air force bought it but it was obsolete they had something that they were building that was a little better it's not too complimentary to people

such as myself who were in there working and bringing these tolerances right down to where they wanted them these things are going on and we hear them from time to time well in Portland on this radio interview some very interesting statements were made prior to the interview about what went out over the air there was a sort of a warm up in the station over the microphone and they were checking sounds and so forth and so on and I told Mr. Starr that I did work as an airman first class in one of the highest offices in our country in the command post USAF headquarters in the Pentagon and while I was working there I on a number of occasions saw pictures coming in to this section and that were regarded as top secret classified materials and so forth and so on and also affidavits and much writings backing up these pictures in every way that they could possibly be authenticated in writing that these pictures were duplications of what George Adamski has

printed in his first book Flying Saucers Have Landed and if this man is in the know he should say something quite interesting I led up to a point and he said oh yes well it's known by everybody that the Navy has accepted George Adamski's pictures as genuine but how can we tell the world and I thought well this is quite interesting and we went into something else and I made the statement now in reference to these pictures of George Adamski's that the Navy claims to be absolute proof he said who told you that he had forgotten or this was a slip of the tongue or something he wanted to know who told me this and I said you did just five minutes ago and he said well I just probably got carried away if this man goes back to Washington D.C. and interviews and talks with people such as General Twining he made the comment he was in General Twining's office one day and he said well General I'm leaving this afternoon on that four o'clock in Oregon

and Twining said oh is that right and he got up and went over to a map on his wall and he said well if you're aware that you're awake at 10 23 this evening as you're flying over this one area it's quite possible that you will see some of these things that they are calling flying saucers now this is quite a statement coming from an Air Force chief of staff telling a radio announcer who is a close friend of course if you're awake at that time when you're passing over that area you will undoubtedly see these things that are being called flying saucers well Hal said when he got over there he was fighting this all of the way across the states to keep awake and by the time he got in that area he was sound asleep and did not see any but everybody that was awake on this flight did see unidentified flying objects or flying saucers of the bell shaped variety the interview on the radio I do not have a tape recording of it I didn't want to get a tape of it

because I made a few statements there that put me out quite a ways a security sense of the word Mr. Starr said I understand you worked in the Pentagon yes I did work in the Pentagon I was so to speak a security sergeant and that I attended the general or the brass in that section hand and foot making life as comfortable and as convenient as I possibly could in that inner sanctum that you see and I told him what I saw moving pictures on flying saucers I saw also that I read whenever I had any free time and also lighting cigarettes and cigars of generals who were the subject of flying saucers in the war room itself they were talking the subject over and they were treating it with a great amount with a great amount of respect then why is it that they do not want to tell their people what they are doing this is so hard to figure out the people of our country would sort of look back and see who is running the country according to the

in accordance with the constitution of the United States of America the people run the country the people this group of people the country which is supposed to be you and I has finally gotten down to quite a small group it's unfortunate well this all of this went out and much more went out over the

air this was what was called a 605 space report and I was having a Chinese dinner

with my with my host mr. Quigley and we have a little transistor radio and after hearing this radio program he said good god that's dynamite of course although

this house stars made the statement he said well you worked in the Pentagon well then you will be telling all of these people who come to hear you like your lecture this evening what you saw and what you read and what you were familiar with I said quite a bit quite a bit of and if this would bring out any any Air Force security or any of these other people that are that go by the title of are working from this organization of Central Intelligence and , if nothing else would this surely should bring somebody out and it did by the time

I got down to back home here to believe me folks this was a very interesting to me this was one

of the this was one of the greatest things that I had ever done in my life this trip was it was the most wonderful thing that had ever happened to me in my life in as much as the mundane a mundane way of living and being of service to your fellow man this was wonderful and I felt justified I felt inside that I had been of real service and benefit to all of these people because how else could I feel these people wanted me back next week they wanted to stay over and talk again tomorrow night and things of this type I they were very wonderful the whole way of the entire trip it was very interesting when I go back to North Hollywood I thought well I would just stay in this weekend and go to bed and get rested up and rest and just go to bed it would have been a wonderful thing if I had been actually And because I have a lot of writing I have to do and so forth, I got a telephone call. And this one called Calvin Gerben was requested to attend a meeting at a nearby Air Force base.

It seems as though there were central intelligence officers who would like to chew the fat about flying saucers.

Well, I thought this should be quite interesting. And, of course, I went. Of course, some of the things that I found out, I do not even believe this group would be ready to accept.

But here I did talk and told of what I was concerned.

I was interested in knowing what they called truth.

This captain admitted to me, yes, there are such things as flying saucers. We know that to be a fact. Because in 1952, I started investing. I started investigating flying saucers. And this is 1959 and I am still investigating flying saucers. And, of course, we do know that the Air Force has turned loose their project, I think it was Blue Book, to the public some years ago, two years ago, where they reported that out of the 2,000 sightings that people have made around the world and so forth and so on, or here in the United States, that, of course, 2% of those sightings or everything but 2% could be accounted for. And it was quite possible that out of these 2% that they too could be explained. Well, where in the world did they get 2,000? Because here I was talking to a man who investigated this same subject for quite a number of years,

alone in a very secluded area of the United States. He had gone through the average of 200 to 250 reports a year in this one little location. At most cases, these areas were in this desert, and you know the air bases throughout California

Desert and New Mexico and so forth, they're not too large. Their personnel, staff or so, whatever they have, they're not like you would find on a base like Andrews Field or Air Force Base. They're not there in numbers. It's quite a skeleton crew. And this small, these small bases where this Air Force officer went from one to another, that he averaged on the average of two and a half or two, between 200 or 250 reports a year. I mean, this is what he expected to get a year at each base. And he said he realized that of all of the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of bases throughout the United States and all around the world, that these reports coming in, you know, every year they must be thousands upon thousands upon thousands. Well, I know this to be an absolute fact, because I have seen this in black and white in the month, in the year of 1956 in Hawaii alone. From the first of January of 1956 until the first of June, just five months, that there

were over a thousand reports made every month to the Felder Center, and heaven only knows

how many went unreported. That's not true. Because we know today we are living in a time that if we went outside this evening after leaving this gathering, we looked up into our skies and saw a flying object that acted

like something we have never seen before, to what we could call, that we couldn't call it a conventional aircraft, that this thing was a flying saucer, that we would be a little hesitant in calling our Felder Center, he stated, I ask him, well, how did you know that it was a flying saucer? Well, he said, how did you know that it was a flying saucer? He said, I asked him, well, how did you, as many people ask me, how did you become interested? I ask this Air Force officer, how did you become involved in flying saucer investigation?

Well he said, it actually happened like this. I was on a flight one evening. There was a full colonel, there were several colonels, light colonels, several majors, and myself, he was a first lieutenant at the time. They were on a flight somewhere. It was an intelligence group. I mean, these were intelligence men that worked for our Air Force Intelligence Division. They were on a trip somewhere as a group. They looked out one of the windows, and you can't imagine what they saw. They saw flying saucers, and not just one, but quite a few of them. They were convinced that what they were looking at, being intelligent, intelligence men, that they were looking at something that they had never seen before. And when they landed, they turned in a report, every one of them. The Central Intelligence Division called them in one by one and interrogated them in such a way that at first the colonel said, well, okay, if that's what you want me to say,

I didn't see a darn thing, and walked out because he didn't want to go through any more of this baloney, which they were giving him. In quite long pieces. And one by one, they went in and came out and saying, boy, I'm going to... They want his truth? Well, I had to take my wife to the dance, or I had to do this, I had to do that. I don't have time to sit and argue. How can we prove something? We saw it. If you don't want to accept what we have to say as actual fact, well, then forget it. We didn't see anything. Good afternoon, good day. But he said he saw it, and he was convinced because he saw it, and he saw it, and he saw it, and he saw it. Because he saw this along with quite a number of other officers, and he took a particular, or he said a peculiar interest in this research and followed it along. They saw that he was leaning in that direction not as a believer, but as one who was interested in trying to arrive at some conclusion.

He wanted to know what these things were. And that led him on into UFO investigations all over the United States. Well, this man, of course, you could talk with for hours and hours and hours. He enjoys talking because he is sold on flying saucers. And he is not only sold on flying saucers, but he knows it to be an absolute fact that people have been contacted because they have quite a bit of evidence in that respect also. If I may digress for one moment to another item that I missed on my way down from Portland, I met a very interesting man. This man is a retired army brigadier general.

He lives in the northwestern portion of the United States. Here we have a brigadier general retired. Now, this man we can look to as some kind of an authority. He worked himself up from the bottom to the height of brigadier general. And now he's retired with that. This man not only sees flying saucers, but he also takes rides in them. And he enjoys photographing. It seems to be a hobby of his after he's retired. And he goes on little trips with him and photographs different cities from very high altitudes and so forth and so on that he had never had the opportunity in doing. Now, this man cannot at this time, tell the world or perhaps even his neighbor that he goes down the streets in the town. And when everybody is looking another direction, or if there are no people around, or he can get to a secluded portion of the city, there is a little object that materializes in the form of a small automobile. And it goes on down the road.

And when it gets to a point in the road where there is no traffic or anything, this general is in this automobile and it leaves the ground and starts up. And the light rays are bent around this object and no one can see him after he gets going. And he enters the saucer hovering overhead and away they go. Now, this general has given some pretty interesting proof as to his story. Perhaps sometime in the near future anyhow, perhaps many of you people might have the opportunity in hearing this man. I surely hope so. It's a story that I think should be told. And if I have anything to do with it, it will be told. Getting back to this central intelligence officer, he told me of seven landings or sightings in the nearby town of Victorville. Victorville. In this past two weeks. And I, these interviews with these people who saw these things, these unidentified flying objects, reported them. He took tape interviews. And I listened to several of these interviews.

This one boy was 17 years old, living in Victorville. His mother and father were away that evening. This happened on the 4th of March, 1959. His mother and father were away for the evening. He was at home in his bedroom, listening to the radio. He had a brother 15, a brother 13. They too were in their bedrooms reading. He saw a flash come across the bedroom wall, which he thought was his mother and father returning, the automobile coming in the drive. But then he heard the dogs, two of them, outside making some of the most, he never heard these dogs bark or make noises in this way, before. He never heard these dogs bark or make noises in this way, before. He never heard these dogs bark or make noises in this way, before. So he went out to investigate. When he went out, he looked up into the sky and he saw an object that he estimated would have been about eight feet in height and about 14 feet in length, shaped like a tear.

And it was coming at a pretty fast rate of speed in his general direction. He thought it was coming directly at him, but it passed over to the house, 15 degrees.

He looked at it. when it passed this section here, he could no longer see it, but he could still hear it. This gave off a red, sort of bluish-green light on the front, but looking at it from the back, it wasn't audible through the eye. He watched it, and he was terrified. Here was a young man, 17 years old, and he was terrified. He didn't know what in the world. And the dogs were under the bed with their tails between their legs, just crying their hearts out. But this object did have a hum, a very high hum, he said, and as it came back the second time, it had a little click, click, click to it, something like the snapping of

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the spark plugs in the automobile. You know how that, when you pull the wire off of it and are cautious enough not to put your hand onto the fender or something, you know how the sparks will jump back and forth and make that little snapping sound. But he also experienced this snapping sound. It made five passes. And he said that at one time, he thought of going in the house to get the gun and shooting at it. But then it started coming back from the general direction in the house where the gun was in, and he gave that idea up, went on inside, and he too, he felt more secure inside. He watched it from the bedroom window as it continued

making these passes. The radio and television in that entire area was affected for 15 minutes. It took for this object to, to get finished what it was doing. Carl Gerwin speaking, and I believe he has a very interesting tape. He will go into it

for you on Saucers Are the Answer. Carl. Thank you, Mr. Perkins. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Good evening. I also have a

few announcements. Everybody is overloaded with announcements here this evening. I'm sure everyone is quite aware of the Saucer Convention at Giant Rock Labor Day, or pardon me, Memorial Day weekend. And also, you people who have read of this Mr. Schmidt, I believe

his first name is Reinhold Schmidt, has claims to have made contact again since his interrogation

by the Air Force and being commuted to a commission. Mr. Schmidt, I believe his first name is Reinhold Schmidt, has claims to have made contact again since his interrogation by the Air Force and being commuted to a commission. He has been commuted to a, an asylum. He will be in this area, I believe in about two months. He's working his, his self this way. George King, is coming from England,

he is quite a saucer enthusiast. I don't know if any of you folks here are familiar with, familiar with they can't hear me in the back. He puts out a, he puts out a small

booklet by the name of Cosmic, Cosmic Glacier. cosmic voice. It's very, very interesting. A lot of you people who are here tonight have read Margaret Storm's material several months ago. It's been flying over the southern part of California and perhaps all over the world by now. It's titled, A Vital Message to All

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People from the Space People Themselves. I wrote to her trying to get information as to when her book would be out, and she said it will be very shortly. But she said that a year ago, so just hang on a while. She has some very interesting material she's running down, and I think the short wait will be well worth it. The program this evening, I didn't expect such a large crowd. I'm going to break it up into three separate parts. The first portion of the program, I will talk briefly of the experiences that I've had in the past. I'm going to talk about the experiences that I've had in the past. I'm going to talk briefly about the experiences that I've had in the past. I'm going to talk briefly about the experiences that I've had with flying saucers and people from other planets. The second portion will be about the subject that was

on the card, flying saucers are the answer. And the last part, which I'm sure will be the very best, is a tape recording received the first of January this year through the

U.S. Department of Energy, and I'm going to share with you a recording from Manka as he takes you on a solar flight through the solar system. It's very, very interesting. I shall start this evening by telling you people of my experiences and how these things

came about as best I can, and try to summarize just what I've learned about the solar system

and how it works in terms of the application of this technology on our planet and our

. The word flying saucers, back in the year 1948, to me it was just another funny word. My father was quite an avid science-fiction fan ad he fell into the flying saucer group,

Practically, as soon after as Arnold saw the 9 or 13 flitting across the western part of the United States,

he tried to shove it down my throat, but I wouldn't accept it. I thought that it was what everybody else was thinking, just a bunch of nonsense. But my father, he was quite a persistent man. And he tried every way that he possibly could to get me interested in even reading some of the material that he was gathering together,

coming in from various publications. I think fate was one of his biggest excuses for me at that time.

And I would take them and file them on my bureau and forget about them. But... But one evening, I decided to visit some friends who lived about two miles from where I lived in Pennsylvania.

It was a nice walk. It was a cold winter evening. And I had just finished one of my mother's most delicious meals. And the people I went to see were schoolmates of some years back. And the girl, she was the one whose books... I used to carry home from school. I wanted to see, I guess, whether or not it was actually over. I, uh, while walking along the road, if you people here are familiar with Pennsylvania country, it's very similar to this here in California, rolling hills and level areas, little valleys, and so on.

As I was walking along this very level stretch, this idea of flying saucers kept coming back to me. It kept coming back into my mind. And, uh, I would scoff at it each time. But, uh, walking out in the country, in the wide open area, I sort of kept my eyes upward, looking to see what I might encounter. A falling star, perhaps, or maybe even a flying saucer. And as I walked along, I saw this one object, which I called... At that time, a very, very large falling star go perhaps the entire distance of the sky before it burned itself out. Or perhaps it disappeared from sight. But I just, uh, again dismissed it from my mind and said it was perhaps a large falling star or a meteorite or something. And, uh, hurried my pace to my friend's home. And, uh, as I walked through the front yard and entered his porch, knocking upon the door, I turned around and looked over toward my home. And again, I saw a similar object cross the horizon.

And as I, uh, as the door opened, my friend came out and asked me, uh, how I was. Invited me in. It was a long time. I had just... I had just gotten back from World War II and exchanging war stories. And bits of information that, uh, gossip and so on around the country, things that were going on that we both found interesting. And about two hours of talking, our conversation went into the direction of the flying saucer situation. His wife, my ex-girlfriend,

smiled and excused herself, went to the kitchen to get coffee and the like, ready, because I suppose she expected a real bowl session, pardon the expression. But, uh, he talked, he talked very honestly about it. And I, uh, we compared our notes and, uh, assured each other that we would keep a watchful eye for anything that appeared to be a little unusual and meet every now and then and compare notes. Well, the course of the evening, uh, ran it, ran out, and I excused myself, started on home. And it was during, uh, it was about a half hour after I had left his home that, again, I saw this object cross the sky. One of the most interesting parts of this, uh, phenomena, or whatever you want to call it, that impressed me the most, I should say, was the, the color. It was some of the most, some of the most beautiful colors, that I have ever seen in my entire life. It seemed to go through the entire spectrum. It favored purples, blues, and greens

more than any of the others. It seemed to stay in that particular frequency a little more, a little longer than the yellows, the reds, and the oranges. But this object traversed the heavens. It came in, uh, quite fast. It was growing in size. And right away, uh, I got a little scared. I didn't know what this was all about, being the first time I had seen anything quite like this. But I gained courage, and almost immediately I started sending what you might call mental thoughts to it to try to get it to land. I kept repeating in my mind, land, land, land. I wanted to examine this. This was a new adventure for me. But it didn't land. It seemed to go, it seemed to go even higher when I sent out these mental impressions. But this object played around through the heavens and came rather low. It passed between two hills that you could see, uh, the background of the hills at night. And I would estimate at that particular time

it might have been somewhere about 500 feet from the surface. It played around me there for approximately a half hour to 45 minutes. I, I really don't know actually how much time had passed by because, uh, I wished it would have stayed a little longer. But it did dis- it disappeared into the night, leaving me to wonder whether I was seeing something, imagining this, or, or just what was happening. I hurry home to tell my father of it, and he accepted my story. But he told me to keep it to myself because perhaps no one else would. Well, that really started me a-going then. I dug up everything I possibly could about flying saucers. I went into newspaper articles. Whenever there were, uh, people reporting seeing something unusual or unusual things happening in the area in which I lived, I was out looking these people up and digging up information that perhaps newspaper men wouldn't allow themselves to print. It was very, very interesting.

So interesting that I was spending quite a bit of my time, uh, on this pursuit after what I didn't know exactly at the time. And my boss found it so convenient that he gave me full time. He laid me off. I lost my job. But that sort of slowed me down a little. And I was, uh, during World War II, I had a very, very unusual thing happen to me, which some of you people perhaps have heard and read of. During the closing weeks of the war, I was serving with the 11th Airborne Division in the Philippines. And being a young 18-year-old kid, they put me on sentry duty guarding the perimeter. And it was a real beautiful night. The moon was full. The stars were shining. There was a very warm breeze blowing. The air seemed to be perfumed by tropical flowers and so on. It was just a beautiful night. And I couldn't conceive in my mind how anybody could be fighting, that there could be a war going on. I became a little relaxed. I sat down.

I even laid my rifle down. And a little later, I laid down. After laying there, drinking in all of the beauty of the night, I thought I would relax my eyes. And before long, I fell asleep. Now, we were still at war. And if I would have admitted this, what I'm telling you now, at that particular time, I mightn't be here. I don't know. But shortly after seeing this saucer over my home in that particular area, it brought back this experience to me. I didn't know the... I didn't know the true story behind it. It bothered me for a few years, trying to find out what could happen then, that particular night. And each time that a saucer story would come up in the newspaper, this business from World War II would always come to the front part of my mind, as though it actually meant something. Well, I thought of it again when I had seen this experience or this sighting. On my way to see... Way back from my friend's house. And I tried to figure it out again,

but it didn't... It led me nowhere. So, months passed. A year passed. I had seen no other saucers. And it was on the 4th of July of 1952. It was a very, very hot night. And everybody said, they seemed to be out having a good time. And I was again out of a job about that particular time, and no money, so I had to stay home. So I thought I would retire early. And the following day, not being a holiday, perhaps I could go out and find myself a job somewhere. It was that night I had one of the most mysterious dreams of my life. I will tell you it was a dream. Perhaps some of you who are familiar with the occult might call it an astral projection. I don't know. But I left my body. I turned around and saw myself lying in my bed. And it was rather horrifying at first. I couldn't understand it. My first thoughts, I had died. And as I lay... As I was standing there looking at myself lying there on the bed, very confusing, even to talk about it,

I started... I started drifting at a tremendous speed to a... to a void, a void area of blackness. It was getting dark. But at the other end of that blackness, there was a pinpoint of light that kept growing as... and it showed motion, that I was in motion. I found myself coming down upon what we might call a planet. And in coming down, I observed the beauty of this world. I saw many people. They looked the same as you and I. I saw people from this particular planet there also. We met in a... in a large hall with the people from this planet. And talked over many of the things related to the flying saucer story. I was called off from this group of people and talked to by one who at that time called himself Crexton. Now, I am still dreaming. And told me of what they had in mind for me to do. That I would find myself, within a few months, serving in the service again, back in the service again, which I turned down an offer for a boy scout group

because after I got out of World War II, I didn't want to have any more to do with it. I was fed up with taking orders. But... And this, as I said, was in a dream. And told me where I would find myself. They didn't pinpoint the location, but they told me that you will be prompted to act when the concentrated sightings of saucers over one particular area of your America, you will act. And that you can't stop yourself because you are going to do what you have to do. So... After this dream sort of... When I... When the important issues were over with, I sort of fell asleep in the dream and found myself in a pile of covers back home on... in Pennsylvania. It was very, very unusual. It impressed me so much that... It was so real. It was as though it actually had happened. It was something that... that I remember mentally to this day as though it might have happened only yesterday. And that happened in 1952. But I gave up the idea of joining the service

because that was way beyond reason. I wanted to be free again. So, time went along and each time I went to the city, I would slowly walk past the post office and wonder if I should go in and just see what they might have to offer. But... It didn't happen that way. And one day, while passing... I went to the post office to make out a money order. I seemed to be directed... directly to the Air Force Recruiting Office. I... It was like turning your... Well, I can't exactly explain it. It's like hearing somebody else talking, but you're doing the talking. I mean, it's... It's a little hard to explain. You don't hear it, in a sense, you're sort of like perhaps in a hypnotic state of some kind. I don't know. But this had happened. I was sitting at a desk filling out papers. And consciously, I didn't want to do this. But that is the way it happened. At that particular time, it was reported that concentrated sightings of saucers were...

over... over the Washington, D.C. area. And this sort of spelled out to me as to the area I might... wind up at. Well, I took my physical in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. And by... by evening time, I was on my way driving my automobile to Washington, D.C. But my chances for staying in that area were quite slim. It was just more or less an induct... not exactly an induction center, but a... a station to receive... to receive your appointments or... to where you might... or not appointments, assignments to where you might be sent. So I gave up the idea of being so close to home also. I stopped on my way home to the... the last advice of my folks and left the house about 12, 12.30 for the drive to Washington, D.C., which was somewhere around 250 miles. I believe it is from home to D.C. And driving along, my thoughts wandered back to that particular dream. Did this happen to me? Was... Was it a dream? I accepted it as a dream. But it was so real.

These things were happening now. And I wondered whether perhaps I might have contact or whether this bit of... bit of... work that I had just finished that day would be acknowledged some way. Perhaps I wanted a reward or something. I don't know. But after leaving Baltimore, the highway... Highway 1 is pretty wide open and not too many red lights. And I was really cutting the grass going down the highway there. And all of a sudden, I... I saw something coming across the sky again, very similar to what I had seen several years before, back near my home in Pennsylvania. I thought, and I wondered, could this be... Could this be true? Could this be a flying saucer? And if it came from my radio in the car, I don't know. If I heard it inside my head, if you understand that, I don't know. But I heard a voice just as plain as if somebody sitting next to me would be talking, saying, down the road about one mile, you will see a road that turns off to the right.

Take that road. It was just that plain and just that loud. Again, my thoughts went back to perhaps I might be imagining I heard something. But I decided to follow this voice to see what might turn up. There were several roads that turned off to the right. And I made an attempt several times to start turning in. But I never did. Until I got to this one and automatically I headed down that road. That was 1952. I had a 1950 black Ford. And that was the shiniest car in Pennsylvania, I believe. I was quite proud of it. The road that I was traveling on when I made that turn was filled with brush and trees and it hadn't been used for quite some time. And there goes my wax job. But I drove on. And I wasn't quite sure whether I should find a place to try to turn around and get back on the highway or not. When looking up in front of me, I saw this glowing object very, very near the ground. Now, this happened right outside of Washington, D.C.

between Washington, D.C. and Baltimore. And I know this. I wasn't... I didn't pull off alongside the road and fall asleep. This happened. And I stopped my car and got out and looked the thing over. It was very near the ground. I would say somewhere about three feet from the ground. It was on a tilt. It was of the Adamski type, that particular type of saucer. And I thought, what is this? And a door was already open. And a man was coming out of it, walked down over the surface of this... of the sides of it, hopped onto the ground, came up to me, stuck his hand out and said, good evening, Calvin. I looked up to the man's face. It was the same man that I had met in the dream. It... to me, it was... it was really... really something. It... I couldn't explain it to him. This... this had never happened to me before. I had wondered if it had happened to anyone else before. I'm sure he read my mind and he smiled and he said, come with me inside

and I'll show you around. I spent about a half hour to 45 minutes inside this craft. It was quite large, about 60 feet in diameter, about 20 feet... 25 feet in height, at my estimations. Those are estimations. About... as I said, I was inside for approximately a half hour to 45 minutes. When he... he showed me many things that I... that my mind, uneducated mind, could not begin to understand. But it was all very fascinating. It was an adventure. It was something different. He then said, it is time that you must go. There is someone already on the way. So, we left this craft and said goodbye. He turned around and reentered. The door closed and by the time I got to my car to look around, it started glowing an extremely bright red, leaving the ground very slowly and rotating. As it got approximately 200 feet into the air, it started to envelop a cloud around it. It looked misty. And a cloud appeared around the entire saucer as it drifted off

higher and higher and finally disappeared. I got into my car and you can imagine how one might feel. I wanted to tell the world what I had seen, what I had experienced. And I drove like crazy out this main road or out this dirt road till I hit Highway 1 again. And got approximately four blocks down past this little road where there were three police automobiles, three police cars and a military car with lights and sirens going by. And they stopped and turned into that particular area of that, it was a wooded area, wood and brush area. And I sailed on to Washington, D.C. When I got to D.C., I thought, well, will I stay here or will I not? I wondered. So I took one test, another test, examinations, shots, the works. I really got everything I think that the Air Force had. And after a few hours

of waiting and having my first Air Force child, I found out that I was going to be stationed on the field. Well, this made me very happy for some reason. I suppose that I could get home on weekends to visit with my folks. I was assigned to Food Service Squadron. During my Army career, I said one time when I shouldn't have that I think I could bake bread. We had spent quite a bit of time in the field and eating these little cookies that come out of those sea ration cans and not too appetizing. And I thought I'd try any, I'd try my luck at making bread if the guys would want to go along with it. And I wound up in a food service organization and started teaching cooking and baking where I learned it. I don't know, but it seemed to be quite a bit of a challenge. And I learned how to bake and I learned how to cook and bake since it seemed to be quite natural. And finally served as chef in the McArthur household for approximately six months prior to leaving Japan.

But I was in food service. I was in the in the administration end of it. I wasn't in the kitchen any longer. I had taken a certain amount of schooling in supervision, food supervision. And all I remember being here operational procedures that the Air Force was adapting, and they thought that I fit into this program quite well. Well, I did. For approximately six months, I worked like the Dickens and tried to make everybody as happy as I could. But I was painting pictures on the walls, and I was just doing everything but what they told me I would be doing. One day, the first sergeant called me. He said, the CO would like to see you. He said, get into a Class A and report on the double. I was an airman first class at the time. I had three stripes here. And so I put on a uniform, tried to look my very best, reported to the CO, and he complimented me on the work that I had been doing, but that there was something coming up that he thought perhaps I might be interested in.

He said that there is a position in the Pentagon that the Air Force would like to see me in. And that's exactly what it amounted to. But we have to send an airman over there to act in the capacity of security sergeant. He has to be one who is familiar with scrambling a few eggs, and making a pot of coffee, and sharpening pencils, and so on. Well, I thought I could qualify, but there were two other men also a little older than I, and had a little more experience with the military than I. We all three got in. We go over. We were interviewed by a warrant officer, and waited approximately four hours to see what would happen, to see who would win out, when the warrant officer finally came out and said, Sergeant Girvin, we have selected you. You two other men, thank you very much, but you can go back to bowling field. Well, I was shown around to where I would be working and what I would be doing. And here I was, right in the center of one of the hottest,

really pretty hot places in our nation. The place in Vegas, I don't know anything but hate and despair from us apply agents to guard the White House It. And forahl cherry greens are pretty good for putting us up against the command line. It was the Pentagon's, what they called, War Room and War Room Annex. They bragged about it being atomic bombproof. This is Ram Shrimpik. They, in this particular section there is a direct war phone from that office to the White House to the president's bedside. They keep a one-star general. I dare say. They, and this particular section there is a direct wire phone from that office to the White House to the president's bedside. They keep a one-star general at the least on duty there with us. be there 24 hours a day. During the day, there are two- and three- and four-star generals. Two- and three-star generals are quite common, but at night, the one-star general, he has

to pull the seat cue. But there has to be a general officer there on duty 24 hours a day. My job, my duties were to scramble him eggs if he wanted them scrambled for breakfast, making toast coffee, and just keep him as comfortable as possible. During the day, I

sharpened pencils. I burnt paper when they doodled, and there was an awful lot of doodling going on there. It was all classified, though. But I found I was having an awful lot of free

time. And, not knowing what to do, I asked a colonel, a bird colonel, who I had made friends with,

it would be all right if I went through the files and read material to entertain myself and to make myself familiar with Air Force procedures, being new in the Air Force. And he said that I was cleared for top secret and cue. I had a cue clearance that it was quite all right to go right ahead, that it wouldn't matter. So, right away... I went to the flying saucer files, and if they tell you they don't have files there on flying saucers, don't you believe it, because they do, and quite a few of them. I started down through the various packets from A to Z, and I think I took in about a row of files.

It might go down the side of this one room here. It was very, very mixed up, most of it. They had it classified in various categories,

accounted for, not accounted for. Each piece, regardless of what its contents were, were

stamped with top secret or secret or classified material, and so on. But it was very, very interesting. And... I had wondered... I wondered at that particular time whether... Was this particular work that they, in this dream, I was going back to this dream again,

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had selected for me to do, was this the only way, perhaps, that they might be able to dig through their material? Because each time, while I would pick out one of these files and sit down for two or three hours to read, I would experience a very, very unusual sensation in the back, in the base of my neck. It was like a numbness. Uh... The... The hair on the back of my neck felt as though it were standing out. As a matter of fact, it was standing out. It was a very, very peculiar feeling. Well, I started asking a little too many questions, perhaps, around there, about flying saucers. And about that time, George Udansky's book came out, and I was quite proud of it. Because I had seen a saucer. I had been in one myself. And I was, uh, showing everybody, you know, that saucer was a flying saucer. Uh... I was showing everybody this particular book. I, uh, they advised me to take a furlough for a few days. Uh...

So, I decided to visit my sister in New York, in New York City. And, uh, when I arrived

in New York, she thought it would be nice if I could get on a television show. And, uh, down we go to see, uh, oh, uh, Campbell's Beans program. I can't wait to see it. And, uh... Campbell's Beans program. I can't, what's his name? Uh, I can't think of it. It's, uh,

Double or Nothing, I think it is. Double and, you know, if the bell rings in the can, you get, uh, twice as much, or something like that. Well, I found it. I picked up the can with a bell in it. And, uh, I was on his program, and he interviewed me. And, uh, it all, he, uh, he found out I was interested in flying saucers. I didn't tell him that I, that I had, uh, been in one. But I told him that, I told him I had seen them, that I believed in them, and that I perhaps knew more about flying saucers than anybody in his audience. When I got back to the Pentagon, they wouldn't even leave me in that area. Now, that's a fact. They wouldn't allow me in that area. They told me to remove myself from that area immediately. I was reassigned. I lost my plush job at the Pentagon. And,

uh, I was transferred to Andrews Field. Well, it was at Andrews Field they had a place which they called the Little Pentagon. And I didn't think that, uh, I'd have a chance getting in there, but I was assigned to a food service organization at Andrews Field. And, in about three or four months' time, I was operating the Ehrman's Open Mess on the field, uh, leaving me with quite a bit of free time in the day, during the days, to, you know, to, you know, to, uh, find out, uh, who I should meet, who I should see, and so on. Well, I hired, uh, the Ehrman's Open Mess is very similar to a men's club for, uh, for Ehrman, from, uh, basics up through, up through, uh, Ehrman First, including Ehrman First, where they serve beer, sandwiches, snacks, uh, milkshakes, and dancing, and jukebox, and things of that type. It was very educational for me. I was getting a little background in something that I had never experienced before. We had a pretty big turnover of cash each month. And, uh,

it was, I really enjoyed, uh, working among these men, because every little change or thing you, you did, they really appreciated it. Uh, they were behind me. I hired a bartender who was a photograph, uh, photographer. He photographed pictures of the flying saucers. The saucers, when they were over Washington, D.C. Well, the, the radar cases, the ones they see on radar. And, uh, he was quite a, quite a talker about it. As a matter of fact, he took me over one evening, and fixed me up with a special pass, and, uh, we got into this, what I, what they call there, the little pentagon. Went through, down into the bottom of the building, and he pulls out these pictures to show them to me. I was quite flattered. Uh, they're very, very interesting pictures. Uh, they're very, very interesting pictures. Uh, they're very, very interesting pictures. And, uh, I knew I wouldn't be allowed to have a copy of them, but I asked him just

the same. But, uh, he wouldn't, he, he couldn't, he said he couldn't give me a copy. They, he was violating so many regulations by taking me down there to show them to me that, uh, well, he takes off about two, two days later on a trip to Alaska for, I guess, two or three years. And, uh, I lost my contact there. And, uh, the club was keeping me quite busy, uh, we were operating above board, uh, before

I took the club over they were going in the hole several hundred dollars each month. We were coming out above board each month and I was quite thrilled about it and was trying to look at and recruit, uh, new membership and uh, was really perhaps over-taxing myself. One evening I left the club, walked to my car, I saw somebody sitting in it. I addressed, uh, he was thinking of me as, uh, if I were in the right place to go get a copy. And then, uh, by the time I got to the room, I was drunk, I was, um, you know, I was drunk so I just went back in the car. And then, uh, I just looked out of the car, uh, you know, the other sitting in it. Well, that was just a little unneighborly, perhaps, in that particular part of the country for somebody to be sitting in your automobile. And he looked friendly enough. So I walked around the other side, to the driver's side, and he looked up. He said, hello, Calvin, get in. Let's go for a drive. No, it wasn't Crexton. It was some

other boy. I don't know who he was. I don't know his name to this day. We started driving out. We left Andrews Field, and going in the highway toward Washington, D.C., I started to wonder about this guy. Who the heck is this? He was acting kind of funny. He seemed to read my mind quite well, because he would answer me verbally every time a thought passed through my mind. I asked him his name. He said, I, he referred to himself as, I don't know, himself as being nameless. He had no name. That he was sent here to tell me of future events. That I would soon be leaving for Hawaii, and that to slow down, that I

would be going on another furlough, and a few things along that nature. And he told me I was pushing some of the boys there in the field a little too hard, trying to dig up information on saucers, and that this change was necessary, because at the time, I was at the rate I had been going, I might stir up quite a bit of trouble. So, we made a pass

around Barney Circle there in D.C., headed back out toward Andrews Field again, and right before we got to the main gate, he asked to get out. Well, being in the service for about a year and a half, two years, when somebody says something to you, you just do it. I mean, it's, you don't stop to think, well, can I take you somewhere else, or where you're going? You just say, okay, you know, I want to borrow your pants while they're in the locker, you have the key. I mean, you know, it's just like that. So, he wanted out, I stopped the car, and out he got. I drove onto the base, and passed the MP, and I thought, well, my goodness, how selfish of me. I should have asked that chap where he was going. Perhaps I could have taken him somewhere. I started out the gate again to find him. When I got to the area where I had left him, I saw him. I said, well, I'm going to the base, and I left him out. I stopped the car and looked around. He was nowhere in sight. I don't know

where he got to, but he wasn't there. So, I had a payroll to get out the following day, and I heads back to the club. I worked till about 1.30, quarter to two. I slept in the club. I was getting ready for bed when the phone rang, and the club officer, he said, very excited, he said, Calvin, Calvin, are you there? Are you there? Are you all right? I said, yes, I'm here. I'm all right. Why, what's the matter? He said, well, that they had jets up, and that saucers were sighted over the field again, and he

knew that I was so interested in them, he thought now they might have come and got me.

I assured him I was quite all right. I had just finished the payroll, and I was getting ready to retire for the evening. And hung up and went to bed. The following week, I was advised that, again, if I wanted

to, if I didn't want to lose some of my furlough time that I had been accumulating, I'd better take some. And the officer's club had burnt to the ground, and they wanted to invade the airman's open mess, so it was a quick way of getting rid of the club and me and everyone else. I was at the house, I guess. When I was on furlough, they sent me a special delivery letter that I was being transferred, reassigned to Hawaii. Well, that made me very happy.

I had passed there several times, going back and forth several years before, but I had never had the opportunity to stop there. It looked like a very beautiful place. It was

in Hawaii that I met many, many very wonderful people. I met a great Some of the first people I met were the Halthans. You folks don't know them, but they're very, very dear people. They're very, very interesting people because they don't limit themselves to one thought, as most of you people must be, are fitting the same category. They're looking, they're out seeking, searching everything they can dig up. I met Riley Crabb. I believe he spoke to one of the units. Riley is surely a very remarkable man. He was the president of the Theosophical Society in Hawaii. I studied along with him and several other people some of the metaphysical and occult teachings. And many, many other people. As a matter of fact, I met Crexton again one evening in Hawaii. This time he came to me. I don't know if I were awake or asleep again. But when I came to, I was outside. When I came to my normal senses, I would say, to my real low self, maybe,

I was out in the backyard. I had this circular, or this ball-shaped, pearl-shaped object came out of the heavens that particular night. I didn't see it coming. I went out when he more or less called for me and entered it. It was quite a... ...unusual experience. There was no sensation of going up into the air, or it was my first flight in that particular type of craft. I had been in one, but never arrived. The inside of this particular craft was very well lighted with a... It's very, very hard to describe, actually. It was sort of a pearlish, luminous type of lighting. Coming from where? I don't know. It seemed to be coming from everywhere. This trip took me to a mother craft that was hovering some several thousand miles, or feet, I don't know which, above the Earth. And I was again taken into a conference room, met people from many of the planets were represented. I was quite impressed by the one who claimed he came,

or represented the planet Pluto. He was very dark-featured. Very Latin-looking. A very narrow face. Quite a striking-looking man. They talked of many things that would be coming to pass concerning my personal life. Things I should watch for. I don't know exactly how long this particular meeting lasted. It was very, very uplifting. They showed some of their science. Stilling the mind to where one can think and perhaps see with second sight. This must have lasted several hours because when I found myself standing in the backyard of the home where I was living, the base commander's home, I was barefooted, but I had on my dungarees, and I was walking through the wet grass, and I turned around, not to see the object leave, it had already gone, but my eyes were drawn to this large area that had been burnt. The grass, the colonel was quite proud of his lawn, had been burnt out approximately 60 feet in diameter, 45 to 60 feet.

I don't know exactly. Somewhere around that. It was quite large. Had been, the grass, it was just, it was gone, it was dead. And most of these experiences that I'm relating here this evening,

I'm bringing out in a book, in a book within a few months, I suppose. It'll be ready for the public. And I don't want to get into it too much because it would spoil you people who will want to read the book, who enjoy reading. I can express myself perhaps a little better in writing than I can in talking. My vocabulary is quite limited. That, I'll just say right now that that will be the first part of this particular program. I'll leave you, I'll leave everybody in Hawaii. That's a pretty nice place to be. And go into this business of flying saucers are the answer. Perhaps this was brought on by attending Rick Williamson's lecture. I enjoyed his lecture very much. I thought it was very, very, very interesting. He inspired me. He inspired others, perhaps. I also heard several other speakers say, relate that flying saucers are not the answer. That the answer is within. But to me, the way it has been presented to me,

and I'm sure to most other people, flying saucers are the answer. They are the answer, they are the answer to the reason that you people are here tonight. You are interested. It has awakened something within you. You are now on the path seeking other, other wisdoms, other, other teachings, other things that appeared very, very mysterious perhaps to you. It is also, the answer, perhaps to the large, very large expenditure that our government is trying to deal out to the people. Spending billions of dollars on research into craft that will get them into the outer regions of space. Spending untold millions of dollars into research in atomic energy. And it's, and how man can benefit by it. I heard a news commentator several months ago on the radio make a statement that I don't know how many people caught on to, but he was quite a commentator, I mean he's known nationally, that he said that he thought the atomic bomb or the hydrogen bomb

was perhaps one of the most humane things that had ever been invented. Because if they ever drop one in one area, there'll be no suffering. I didn't go along with his statement. I thought that was a pretty, pretty horrible way of putting it. But people, our government, the governments of the world, they're interested in getting out there. They want to know what's going on out there. They no longer rely on the telescopes that they look through. They are building telescopes, telescopes now they listen through, spending millions of dollars. They have just completed a new, a new unit in New York City, which will take us 52 billion times farther out into space than we have ever been before. 52 billion times. It's some sort of a, of a ruby attachment that they put onto it. I don't understand those things too much. But they want to get out there. They want to listen. And the Air Force has come up with a new, they rescinded Air Force 200-2.

They've come up with a new 200-2. The former 200-2 was four or five pages, I think four pages. 200-2 this time is nine pages. And it's really, they want to know about UFOs. They're including it in the regulations. I'm trying to get a copy of it and see what it's all about this time. The other one wasn't too interesting. In National Telescope,

I think is the name of the magazine, this January issue, there was quite an article in there on what are these mysterious domes appearing on our moon. Flying saucers are the answer. We want to know what those domes are. We're building vehicles that will take us there to find out. Mysterious things have been happening on the moon for the past 50, 75 years. The astronomers, people don't want to take their word, they didn't want to take their word for it. Now we want to know. I say that flying saucers are the answer. It's bringing about new kinds of science. It's getting people to think there's a gentleman, perhaps some of you people have read of him, from Baltimore, Maryland, by the name of Otis T. Carr, who has brought forth into the world a new type of electrical magnetic energy. He says that he can build a flying saucer and take it to any planet if the government will back the bill. I think it's $40 million. This craft would be a prototype craft.

It would be somewhere about 100 feet in diameter. But he said that he can do it. And he has demonstrated on a small scale to the government his capabilities. I have received a brochure from him this past week and read over some of his material and it sounds pretty darn good. He puts out, he's putting out quite, he calls it a kit. I have sent for it. It cost a dollar. The various prints, the prototype prints and the various instruments and things that he is going to build, that he has built on a small scale, that will revolutionize this entire civilization. The government is now calling him a fraud. I don't know why, but his material sounds pretty good. I typed down a few names here somewhere of people who believe in the reality of flying saucers. Captain Richard Case from the American Airlines who encountered saucers in the west, or the east coast in 1952. William Lear, winner of the Collier's Aviation Trophy and president of Lear Aircraft.

And Captain James Howard, British transatlantic pilot. Captain Nash, Pan-American pilot. Herman Oberth, co-designer of the German V2 rocket, believes in flying saucers. And Clyde W. Tomball, noted astronomer, who I'm sure most of you people are familiar with, believes in the existence of flying saucers. And also, Colonel Frank Balani, director of civil defense in Baltimore, has seen saucers, and believes that saucers are very, very real. I'm running out of time here. It's 9.30. And this tape that I have that I want to play is about 45 minutes, I would say. And I know how it is to be sitting down there. It gets a little sore sometimes. I did want to mention

that for some of you people who are on the path seeking new and different things, the 11th Los Angeles Conference is meeting here in Los Angeles at the Aviation Room of the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel. On April the 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th, they have sessions at 10.30, or at 10 o'clock in the morning each day, 2 o'clock in the afternoon each day, 8 o'clock each evening. And some of their speakers will be Hugh Lynn Case, son of Edgar Case, Casey, or Case, and Jenna Seminara will be there speaking. She's a very, very excellent speaker. I heard her several months ago. She just got back from a trip from Hawaii also. And I think you'll find that very, very interesting to you people who would like to listen to it. It's on, let's see, the theme will be, they have a theme for it, The World's Past, Present, and Future will be the theme for the entire week. That's at the Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood.

Oh, is that right? Oh, yeah, well, that's what I got, and I took it off the top one. Oh, I see. Okay, thank you kindly. I was going to go into a little bit of what our operational plan might be if we were to, say, visit the planet Mars. How long would it take us before we would actually land there if we found the planet inhabited? But I'm sure everyone assumes that it would... Possibly take 10 to 15 years, the same as it's taking our space people, our space friends to make themselves acquainted with our type of life here on this planet. Most people say within the next remaining months of this year, the answer will be left out to the people of the world. I thought perhaps it would be brought about by the photograph of the Brazilian government Navy had taken several months ago, and George Adamski had made a similar remark that he thought that the governments of the world would release the information to the people

within the month of February, I believe it was. But I do believe that within the coming months, much more will be found out about them. Believe it or not, people are still seeing them. There's much activity throughout South America, the Southern Hemisphere. There are landings, there are sightings, there are contacts taking place all over that particular area of the world, the Southern Hemisphere. It was going on prior to satellite or Sputnik 2, and after 2 went up, they diverted most of their attention to the Northern Hemisphere for a short time. That's when we had our last saucer flag. I think I'll wind it up there, because this tape is so interesting, it's so very, very interesting, that I think you people will enjoy it very much. Now, there is one thing that I sort of agreed to, that this tape was presented to a very small group of people, and that it will be released for people who would like to listen to it.

But it will not be released for general distribution that is made in the tape. And the reason for that is beyond me. I'm very thankful that the party that is responsible for making the tape let me use this copy to play for you people tonight. As far as people making copies of it, I don't think they would approve of it, and I will ask the gentleman with the tape recorders to turn them off, if they please, if they will please. Because during this, I want you people to hear it first, to see what you think of it. You know the controversy that went on about a year ago over the last set of tapes. They too were very interesting. And you people that have heard those tapes will have enough of background to appreciate and understand this tape. This is very, very good. It takes you on a solar flight throughout our system here. Yes, sir? I do not know. I suppose under the same conditions the other ones were made. I am slightly familiar with the circumstances.

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