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Louis Martin Reincarnation
Recording structure
- [00:00] Opening remarks and sighting narrative
- [03:14] Louis Martin on reincarnation
- [42:43] Audience questions: memory, identity, and past lives
- [01:00:00] Audience questions: healing, suffering, and spiritual development
- [01:18:20] Audience questions: ethics, free will, and daily life
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[00:00] Opening remarks and sighting narrative
When men do their duty conscientiously and earnestly, they receive their rewards.
There are many different rewards, and as for Gabriel Green and I, we received our pay by a sign of wonder in the sky. Last July the 13th, while returning home from Army Grove, Lyme-Sauce City, at approximately 9 p.m. on the Santa Ana Freeway, we viewed a spaceship from another world. I was the first to sight it. It was hanging motionlessly in the night sky and appeared to be a double white light. I did not bring the light to Dave's attention as I gazed at it in wonder. Presently, Dave spotted the light and said, James, do you see that light? I told him that I was watching it as he was talking. He suggested that we pull over to the side of the freeway and get a better look at it. I agreed. I got Dave's four-power binoculars out of the glove compartment and we got out of the car. This UFO was here because of us. Both Dave and I realized this because the minute we pulled our car over to the side, the object started to move in our direction.
It moved very slowly, traversing the sky as it came directly over in front of our automobile. At this position in the sky, we noticed that it was extremely well-lighted. It had lights all over it. We focused the binoculars on its saucer. It appeared to be the atoms in the high-veil-shaped object. Both of us agreed on this point and also on the fact that the portholes were illuminated as well as the landing gear. As the UFO moved away from us, it appeared to be triangular-shaped, but this was due to the landing gear as we were viewing it from the bottom at this time. The space visitors seemed to say as they were leaving, you're doing a fine job. Keep up with the good work. This was a middle name. Thank you. I couldn't believe how much the UFO was. I thought it was an impression of both Gabriel Green and Iron Sea. Thus ended the sighting of a flying saucer over the freeway. I felt that this was a very eventful day.
I look forward to my next adventure with the spaceships. Thank you. You've got some wonderful, clear, concise reports. Does anyone else have anything that they would like to report on before we bring their speaker of the evening to the platform? Push Martin on now and after she and the others are done, we'll send the reports to the space line. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. We will now move to the next speaker. This is John H. bring their speaker of the evening to the platform. We'll put Martin on now, and after she is given a short brief talk, we're going to have a question and answer period. It's going to be a sort of a Ron Robbins deal. We'll have Carl Anderson, Ralph Huffman, myself, and Lois Martin up. Shoot your questions to us, and we'll answer them if we can. Now I'm very happy to present to you our speaker of the evening, Ms. Lois Martin of Monrovia. Pasadena. Well, I've got it everywhere, but right.
I had it from Mona on the Cards. I have a colleague of Monrovia tonight, and now we find out she's from Pasadena. But wherever you're from, you're most cordially welcome, and thank you for being with us. Thank you.
[03:14] Louis Martin on reincarnation
One of the things you wanted me to talk about tonight was reincarnation.
Is that right? Yeah. I think I told you before, Marcia, my father's work was connected with helping people fill their conscious mind and go back deep into the inner parts of themselves to really discover who and what they were and who and what they are. I was in Tucson a short time ago and was sitting with one of my friends whose little girl came into my life, and she said, I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a doctor. I'm going to be a doctor. And the little child is quite psychic. And I think it's wonderful when there are psychic children. Practically every child is psychic to a certain extent. And their parents realize that, and instead of telling them that they are just imagining things and cautioning about not lying and telling the truth, they bring out the points of telling the truth about what they're doing. And that's what they actually see. Because there's no doubt about it,
until the age of approximately seven and eight years old, our children are psychic. So this little girl came in, and there were about five of us there, and she looked over the heads of us. She was looking all around us, everywhere but our physical body, you might say. She was just looking over. And no one was paying too much attention to her, but she got so excited, and she came over and patted her mother. And she was about, she is about four years old. And she said, Mommy, we're giants, but we can see so little of us. Wisdom in that child's saying, we are giants, but we can see so little of us. The physical body is such a small part of what we as beings truly are, that we do not do ourselves justice when we think of ourselves only as a physical organism, with a mind power trying to master or operate that physical body. My father's work was connected with the individual, still a conscious mind of himself, this conscious mind that faces the problems
of everyday business, this conscious mind that weighs and balances the things of the material world. Individuals steal the emotions of themselves.
And by emotions, I do not mean alone the happy and the sad, the positive or the negative emotions of just ordinary everyday living. I even mean the deep-seated emotions that are strong and deep in the subconscious mind. The fears that a person has of being detached from his physical body. The fears of, going back into himself and knowing himself. You know why some people play the radio all the time and have noise around them all the time? They can't seem to stand their own company. They must have all this outside noise, all this outside turmoil in order to have some type of security. And really to understand ourselves and to have real security, positive security, we must learn how to go within. Still, all these outer conditions just as in the Bible it said, go into your closet and close all the doors. Go into the stillness of yourself and pray. So in stilling the physical emotion, the mental fears, mental emotions, some individuals found it quite difficult. And really the key
to stilling, the physical emotions, or mental emotions, is the proper breathing, rhythmic breathing. If there ever is a bridge between the subconscious mind and the conscious self-advice,
it is the deep rhythmic breathing. Not the breathing that binds or stifles you, or the breathing where you take so long to take a deep breath in, inhale, and out, but just your own natural rhythm. And the quieter you become, and the more you still yourself, the deeper and more rhythmic will that breathing become. So stilling the physical body, stilling the emotion, the conscious mind, to drift away from the problems of, the everyday life, and center on one particular solution, shall we say,
the knowledge that this individual needs. Some individuals would have problems with one another.
And these soon, we found out, developed into a, what the Hindus would call a karmic pattern of adjustment among people and among individuals. The other karma seemed to be the, either the sins, what's that, the orthodox person would say, the sins of omission, or the sins of cognition within themselves. The problems of what they had done that was in the wrong direction for them as an individual. Or the problems of unfinished business, that they had not done, that they should have completed. Right? within himself. Get the individual through the process of suggestion, of relaxing, deep breathing.
Attune and vibrate to the highest within yourself. We reach a point in our meditation or in the
reverie of our self where we stand at one point within. This point is timeless and it is faceless.
From this point of being we can go in any direction that the conscious mind or the soul
wishes or wills. We can go backwards over the time trap, over our past lives. We can go forward
into the future to know the effects or recognize the effects of the causes we
are building in us today as a nation as a group or as an individual or we can go
out in an expensive journey from ourselves we can visit other planets we can visit other times we can visit other civilizations other universes other world we can go into a state of knowing our knowledge where we can bring back into this conscious mind the answers to that which we need one case in particular that I'm thinking about right now was the case of a gentleman in our town who had built one of the first radios his music then was working before Gaetz in начина crunchyzeniu and the flow of Russian water become all these things. out in our town, who had built one of the first radios, his music then was mostly he most accurate he at that time was building a marimba and if any of you know what a marimba is you know that it is a very delicate instrument made with properly seasoned wood something like a telephone the property season length and dimensional wood to such a point through this
seasoning that it produces exactly the sound clear and odd keys in perfect pitch and often
had been working on his remember for quite some time plus is votive what they would raw and had
plain and sod and fashion by hand his own with material and he had every note perfect
perfect as to pitch perfect as to tone in perfect harmony with every other piece except two, and two pieces seemed to be his problem. He rechecked and checked all his calculations, and he did not know why he had
these two pieces all out of harmony, not too badly, but just enough that even the untrained ear would notice. And he had a job in one of the, a position there in one of the Westinghouse
mills in our town, and had been working quite late, a lot of overtime, and being a rather nervous and high-strength person, he had developed a nervous disease of erythropoietic. If anyone
knows anything about this disease, you know that the doctor tells you it has to take its course. It is most painful, but they find very little that they can do about it. It runs its course something like poison ivy, something like the poison oaks that we have, and all at once it clears. And he was suffering to such a point that he called my father, or had his wife call my father, and said, can't you do something about, can't you put him out of the picture for a while, can't you put him into a subconscious state for a while so we won't have this terrific suffering, because he... And he could not sleep, nor could he stay awake any longer. He was, he was past the point of most physical endurance. So my father went out and worked with his mind for a while,
suggesting to him the relaxation of the physical body from the toes up. If ever you want to relax and release from the physical body, start from your toes and come up into the head. By the time you reach the head consciousness, the physical relaxation, you are, if you have properly protected yourself, as we say, by surrounding yourself with the Christ light or the high vibration of protection, you will be ready to leave your body with no ill effects
whatsoever to the body that's lying there. Even if there were to be a shock, your body has its protection. So in this way he, he worked with Alvin, brought him to the point of the complete relaxation
mentally, physically, and emotionally, and said, what do you want to do? Where do you want to go? There is no sense in going to a, into a, an unconscious state and come out and have time wasted, time lost. Let's do something constructive. And Alvin said, I've been having this problem with my marimba, let's see what we can do. So my father said, all right. And with the suggestion of going back into the world of music, into the principle of music, into the halls of learning where the mechanics of music are taught and are known, he sent him from his body. This gentleman was out of physical consciousness for a period of about three days. The doctor checked him. Although he had been carried away and yet he knew my father's work, knew that it was all right, the physical body functioned normally, took no food, of course. The breathing
was fine. The heart condition was fine. The doctor checked him the first three times a day. And then the last day he was there just once, but that evening Alvin came back and the of his face and neck were practically gone. So, I see my family. So that's the way it is. on the doctor said had he not left his body it would probably have lasted for another week or week and a half but it seems as if taking the mind out of the physical body object that was positive
and constructive and learning and allowing the natural forces of the physical body to take over and rebuild and make that body is what accomplished the healing in this case you see the mind was not not there to channel it into old or um old or misunderstood negative patterns when he came
back he had a marvelous story to tell he told us how he was met by his own teachers how he was
internal navigation how he was taught to prepare the rhythm of himself and he said never before
has he been out outside of his body and realized yet he was in a body but it was not the dense physical body of this world it was the physical body or shall i say the ethereal body or the
atomic body of another dimension and how he was taught to know the rhythm of that body and know it so well that in his breathing and his willingness he could propel himself time he was taken to a
place that he believed was on another planet a planet i don't know i wouldn't be surprised
that perhaps it was neptune he was taken into several long halls where he said he saw musical
instruments that he knows are instruments of past civilizations other countries other lands
he saw instruments that were as foreign to him made out of metals and materials that were so foreign to this world that they must have come from another world another dimension and he was taken into a small class where he said he sat down in the very back because
they were talking about the principles of harmony and of music related mathematically not alone to sound but to light to concrete matter to thinking to mathematics to chemistry
to every science that we know on earth that the principles behind all these sciences are one
the principle is one the diversity of its use is many and he said he sat humbly there because
there was information given him that he knew even when he came back to his physical body he could not use he had not been metal he had not been materials with which to put this knowledge into practice and yet he was told in that session or in that hall of learning the principle that was necessary for him to correct his marimba he was told of certain seasoning
and length of soaking of the wooden seasonings that were off by a shorter time at 15 minutes of properly seasoning wood with certain chemicals when he came back
he told us then that he visited other places he visited the beautiful places of
of the fine arts where inner processes seem to be going on world processes plans
for the building of greater unity among all people among all planets among all nations and of course this was
at this time the blind saucers were not as heralded as they are today but he said he came back with the realization that he knew there were life on other planets because he felt he had rough elbows with some of the men and some of the people from these kinds of beings he just said he came back with the disease practically finished as far as his
physical body was concerned he got up had a complete physical checkup with the doctor the doctor said alvin you're in better condition than you've been in 10 years if you go into the state of suspension every 10 years you'll never grow all your life and he said right at work to following the principles that had been taught him in the perfection of his instrument he perfected the instrument he used it for quite some time in different orchestration and symphonies in which he played and finally sold it to the man of the masterע at a very high price, which he felt was another feather in his pack, so to speak,
because he already had other ideas in which he wanted to channel this cash that he had received from his instrument. So this is what I mean when I say we can go into one point of consciousness in ourself and go in any direction. We are not limited to a past, to a now, or to a future. Yet we see what other periods of time are there. There are other dimensions of time that we as little people, little in the understanding of ourselves, cannot now see or vision. But the ability is within us. This we have. This we have almost untouched because we have not yet even mastered the amount of knowledge and training and perfection which is before us known now.
Speaking of going into the past, one of the gentlemen who came was a man who did not believe or understand reincarnation.
He himself had aversion to what I imagined because he didn't want to come back again.
If he had been here before and was here this time, he had the realization or the feeling, well, I'll have to come back again and this I don't want, so I will strike it from my mind. It isn't a part of me, therefore it doesn't exist. And like the ostrich, he didn't want to look at it. But he was willing to try. And where he thought he would go, I don't know. But you know, so many times when we go back into ourselves, unless we have a definite plan of exactly where we want to go, things are... Our soul takes over, or our inner teacher within takes over and takes us to the place where we should go to know the lessons or to understand the problems that are just before us. And these are so often the problems that we want to run away from or don't want to look at. This particular gentleman had a back injury at about the age of 23.
The injury had left him... a semi-striple. It had been, or evidently was, a deep soul problem, one in which he didn't want to face. I don't blame him for not wanting to come back if he felt that he had to go through life as he had this particular lifetime and maybe follow or take on the same patterns as he had this lifetime. When he went back into a past life, and that is exactly where he went, or my father said, all right, let us... let us go where you will learn the greatest understanding or you will see the greatest lesson that you need now to face in your life. Your conscious mind doesn't know it. And dad said, I'm sure I don't know it. So we have only to leave it up to your higher or your God self.
And the fellow was quiet for some length of time after he had accomplished this relaxation, the breathing, and the quieting, and the calming down, and the looking within himself. He is quiet for quite some time. And as he stirred a little in the chair, my father said, you can speak now. Tell us what's happening. What are you doing? Where are you? And he seemed overjoyed to be able to speak to someone. I don't think he stopped for about five minutes. He just talked and talked and talked. Of course, we didn't understand a word of it because it was all in German. And we don't understand German. But we were in the home of a friend. And this happened in Toledo, Ohio. The gentleman and his wife had come over from Germany shortly after the First World War. And he had been a bookbinder and an instrument maker, fine instrument maker. And he came over here. And established a very growing and very wonderful business in Toledo. He and his wife were the only ones who spoke German.
And they were listening with such intent that they didn't seem to have time to translate it to us. So we had to wait until this first rush was over. And Dad said, well, what do you think of it, Hugo? And Hugo said, well, I know what he's saying. And he started to tell us a little bit about it. So Dad said, well, I can't speak to him. He said, let's put him in a rapport with you so that you speak to him and he will hear your voice and he will answer you and then you can translate it. And from the translation, the session that followed, this is the substance. Al had been in the southern part of Germany about 800 years ago. He had been a house painter and a... a carpenter. He spoke a dialect at that time that was particular to the southern part of Germany. Hugo said that there are a group of people speaking that particular dialect there that probably number around 8 or 9,000. It seems to be a sect more than a race, a sect of themselves.
And the story that he told, and we could see by the contortions of Al himself that he was going through some sort of physical misery and yet his... his face did not show as much pain as the rest of his body. He had been on a high scaffold and was painting. His throat broke and he broke his back badly in the fall and remained a cripple. For the rest of his life, he had tried to, in the courts that they had at that time, he had tried to gain some type of compensation but nothing was given to him. And he lived very miserably from the time of the accident until the time of his passing. He had few relatives and had only to depend on friends. The pain in his body got worse and worse toward the end of his life. He died, passed on at about the age of 45 and he was 24 years old when this accident happened. In telling us the scenes of the courtroom, the scenes of the different judges and the people, he spoke with such emotion
that of course the rest of us did not realize at the time exactly what he was feeling but we knew it was very deep and very bitter. And through the translation we understood that there was such a hatred built up within him at that time toward anyone in authority, anyone in authority, that he seemed to poison his own body, he seemed to poison his own body with his own hatred and feeling of injustice. In that lifetime, he was in a state of coma. He was in a state of coma. For he was still filled with terrific resentment, terrific breaking down power within him. He said, remember what you are absorbing. Remember what you're going through so that you'll be able to tell us when you come out because there would be no communication when he was in this coma or this sleeping state. When he came out of his sleeping state, he was still in the other world, other world. He had not reincarnated yet in his physical body. But he said that,
he gave us to understand that during this time, many ideas, his mind, it seemed as if that which he had gone through played over and over and over again in himself until he was of the hatred and the misunderstanding, the venom that he had built up within himself. He himself was saturated and sick of it. And he asked to be released from these own emotions of himself. And it was at this time that he came out then of the coma state and was able to tell us what he had been going through. He, in other words, had to endure his own company in his own state of thinking, playing that over and over and over again to himself that even he himself couldn't understand it. He asked for it. He asked for something different. And when he had asked for something different, light came to him. And as he came out, he said, I see the lesson that I must learn. And Dad said, what are you going to do? He said, I'm going to stay over here for a while.
They tell me they have much to teach you. So Dad took him along in that period for a while and finally said to him, quite a time has passed now. Quite a bit of birth time, quite a bit of inner time has passed. What is before you now? What do you see? What are your plans for being and doing? He said, I'm ready to take on another physical body. I'm going to be born again. And he seemed happy about it, really happy. And he said, what are you going to do? How are you going to, where are you going to come back into life? How are you going to come back? He said, I'm building a blueprint of my life because there are certain things I want to accomplish. He said, I have been taught the law of cycles so that my soul understands the law of cycles. You see how we can understand something in our soul consciousness and not in this outer plane consciousness? My soul understands the cycle of being, the cycles of repetition and the spiral of growth.
He said, I'm going to come back into a physical body and I realize that it's about the same time that I've had my accident in my just previous life. There will be another seeming accident happen. And going through this accident and going through almost a replica of what I've, it will teach my soul and make me know in my reactive consciousness whether I have matched up with other people
and how to weigh the lessons through which I'm having. He came back ready to reincarnate. The father said, I'm going to come back into a physical body. He said, what are you going to do about the physical body? Is it going, are you going to build it in any particular way? He said, there are certain weaknesses in this body that I realize I have in my consciousness. There are certain weaknesses in this body that I must bring back with me in order to accomplish the lessons I must learn. And when I learn these lessons, my body will be healed if I am still in a physical state. If I am beyond, of course, I will have passed out with that condition, but I will not have to build that weakness in a future body. The weakness then was of the heart that he needed to build. So when he came back into this physical body again, he awoke just as he was now. He awoke in present time, acclimated himself to this physical body, everything was perfectly quiet and still.
Because in this state of being, coming from one state of consciousness into another, coming from one time, whether it's forward or backward in time, to the present time, is, takes a very delicate adjustment, shall we say. Everything was quiet and still. And he was allowed to come to himself as a physical body. No one called his name, no one told him, who he was, but he was allowed to come to himself. First thing he did was he rubbed his back, and he said, I understand why I have it. I understand now that I had to have it in order to complete my lesson. He said, I understand now that the way I have been reacting to this particular condition in my life, I probably would have gone on had I not had an experience of this type. Right. And been awakened to myself. To of about a 50% learning of my lesson. He said, I'm not doing so. He said, I have blamed other people for this accident. That I have been impatient with people
who have been trying to help me. I've been impatient with doctors, I've been impatient with insurance companies, although he was getting a monthly check for disability. He said, I can understand so many things. from an entirely different pattern and different way of life. He said, I'm going to lift this life and this condition in my back if it takes the rest of my life. And he said, I'm going to come back the next time with a perfect physical body. And I'm not going to plan a pattern where accidents or seeming accidents, planned accidents, will interfere. He said, I'll go out the next time as healthy as when I came in. Well, Al is still alive, and he has been taking, I want you to know, of all things, he had started with medicine. Medicine did a great deal for him. It carried him to a certain point. But that point was not far enough. He took adjustments, all types of adjustments. He worked in a way with himself after this particular experience
in which he would go back. Into the subconscious mind of himself. And put himself into the same vibration that he felt he was in when he was planning this life. In other words, he was in a higher vibration of himself. Yet in his subconsciousness. And as he would sit in the chair or in meditation, he was impelled to go through certain gymnastics in the physical body. One of the things that had happened to him was the fact that one of the vertebraes, instead of being out, pushed in. And the doctors couldn't seem to go in and pull it out. Even the osteopaths or chiropractics, they couldn't get it out. If it had been out, they could have pushed it in. But it was in, and they couldn't bring it in the other direction. He said, one time when he was in this particular state of a subconscious or unconscious muscular control of his body, and yet his mind was active and alert, he said he was, he felt impelled, or he felt urged to go to the wall
and to stand and press himself against the wall. And he said he did that, and as he stood against the wall and breathed very deeply, perhaps about 10 or 15 times, this part in his back got so hot, he said he felt there aren't any standards, actual heat in his back. And he said, the more he breathed, the more he felt the heat in his back. The more he breathed, the more he felt the heat in his back. The more he breathed, and the more he sort of wiggled and pressed against the wall. He said he felt the lesions go, he felt the bone come back out in his physical body. And when he pressed back there, there was not a hole in his spine that he was. It has very little left to do to his physical body. He walked straight as you and I do. Or he was quite bent over. He walked as deadly straight as you and I. He still had some of his heart weakness. He still had a little bit of his back weakness. But because he knows the cause,
and because he understands the principle of what we do now, how we react to situations of our life, whether we are the fault or the cause or not, our reactions produce a cause within ourselves that at some other time, whether in this lifetime or another lifetime, we will, we will meet and face as an effect. He's learning this lesson so thoroughly and so beautifully in his own body, in his own way, that I know when it all goes out of this lifetime, he will have mastered the hatred, the venom of misunderstanding. I know he will have mastered the problem of laying the blame on everyone. Because he realized it's not, the thing that is done, but how we react. And this character, this part of the character, which he is building within himself, we too, every one of us, are building. And we have got to, what happens to us, but what are our reactions to what happens to us? To know that we too can control our lives and our past in the highest way.
[42:43] Audience questions: memory, identity, and past lives
Thank you very much,
Lois Martin, for that. Thank you. This time is beautiful. Lois Martin, Ralph Hoffman, who was the first thing brought down here, they've come down a long way to be with us. Well, let's direct your questions to whoever you want. Now, rejoin us in just a moment. Ralph, be wonderful. Would you sort of take over until I get back? Sure. Mrs. Yates? I want to ask you a question. You made a statement, I think the last time, directed we're not hypnotized. Now, did you say that these people are actually conscious during this? If they remember after they're in person, that they do not remember after they are in person? Not at all. I don't think so much time. There are two ways to go into ourself, whether it's a past lifetime or a future lifetime or an in or between state. One way is dual awareness. And in that way, we can have much, we see what we know what we're going through we recognize identity uh we do not feel the experience as if we were in it entirely it's uh it's as if we see a moving picture of ourselves
and we know the information the understanding the technical information name date and so on but yet we do not get a physical body reaction from this and many people go into that state some people go into that state for a while and when the experience is such that they seem to want to envelop in it entirely they go entirely into the one state of consciousness or go completely into the experience and then they read later come back and withdraw from that so sometimes there is a fluctuating back and forth between these two states but when the person comes out of it he remembers it more than he would if he were he remembers it he remembers everything that he has been through and more because if i ask you now uh or suggested even do or put you back where if you left your home tonight come down here and uh and you would relate to me all the experiences that happened from there down there'd be a lot that you wouldn't
tell me probably wouldn't think to mention my your name your husband your children there are many things where you were born where you live where you went to school yet when you came out of the experience you would know all those things that you didn't have time to tell when you went through it and that is it's really catching me the subconscious realm and not just like questions yes another question for both can you do this thing too putting people back they used to
call it uh i have tried and i have had some very nice experiences there are other kinds that people have not been able to get back into their past and so i haven't solved by any means my uh i think my probably my father's uh energetic power or his vital force was stronger than mine
because i think that has quite a bit to do with it he passed on in 1949
i have seen him possibly since he passed on a matter of 50 or 60 times
very gracefully there's somebody back here
with our reaction to the experience
between gaining that type of experience and uh at the same time developing a very challenging science and the arts do they go parallel or really interlock in some way that she might enlighten a little bit about well i think they beautifully interlock because i think all material understanding or shall we say academic understanding teaches us facts it's just as if we were in the in the case where the stalagmites and the stalactites build up and down
and all power comes down into different gradations or levels but there is that which fills up and that which builds it down and our reactions our inner worlds are all building down learning the sciences and our abilities and skills are like building up and when the column is complete is when we know ourselves and that's building the gaps from one to the other and we might say the religion is trying to teach us how to come down and science is teaching us how to climb up or come up but when the column is made there are one low building and one low falsation the internal world goes into a higher level of clarity Well, I'm the same thing. There's no differentiation.
Who was it over here? You're a waste of time. Well, you'll have to grab her then, because I've seen her. I've seen a lot of people grab her at the same time. It's better to be right in front of the line. We can have these questions probably from suit and nuts tonight, because there's a wide variety here. Count me out of it, but there's a lot of answers. Well, this system of helping one through which your father used reincarnation
to bring more knowledge to the subject, was that used in other past civilizations to help the people? For now, we just hear from you for the first time, perhaps, or from someone else. I want to get the gentleman that had a hundred questions. Your father, for instance, has... ...been able to contribute so much. Did this happen in past civilizations? Well, maybe I'm telling you something I don't like to talk about myself, but of course he used me as a subject, too, all I imagine. And I went through a Mayan civilization where I was in one of the temples, and we did the same thing there. Was it used on a large scale to help the people? Well, I don't think it was used among the common people. This sort of ability was trained in people in temples, in mystery schools, or in certain cults, and so on. And the average common person didn't know about it. And I think that as far as our civilization here is concerned,
I think even in... Oh, I dare say, even back in the Atlantis, they didn't know about it. They didn't know about it. They didn't know it as wholesale as we have it now. We seem to be coming into a new age. If you've studied astronomy and... Much about astronomy and astrology? So related, of course, that we are coming into a new age where the unseen becomes the seen, and the unknowable becomes the knowable. And it's not to the few who know, but it's free to anyone. And if you will look... at the difference between the magazines and our newsstands now, as they were 25 and 30 years ago, it's amazing. And it's amazing, too, that they are at both levels. They are the highest philosophical, religious, and deep thought understanding, and yet there is just the reverse. And really, the sheep are being separated from the goats. And we are doing the choosing, which are we? We are making our own choice. We are determining our own reaction.
Somebody had their hand up back there. I saw it a little while ago. Would you talk a little about her, please? I would like to ask this question. Who was her father? Where she got her as a parent training, and who was her father? Well, I was down here several weeks ago, and I was supposed to have been a speaker for the evening, but I started weak on the knees, and I lost... and talked, I believe, more than I did, during the evening, and she really put herself in the hearts of some of these people here. And, of course, she told a little bit about that then, boss. Would you like to give a thumbnail sketch of who your father was? Yeah, I'll give a brief resume. He's an accountant. He's an accountant, an auditor, all sorts of... one of the specialists with taxes of all sorts, federal and state, state tax. And so forth. And that's the way he trained me. I'm a goalkeeper and know myself, too. And I think possibly what this did,
in his own nature, speaking of reaction, is that it taught him how to weigh and balance everything, so that everything came out in a balance. People can go into religious training, they can go into technical training, they can go into any type of training they want to, and he has an opportunity, to do it in balance. And they can so tear down everything that they ever hoped to gain, or had gained here, that they're way off on a tangent. But to be able to study anything in balance, to make it fit in to the pattern which we have now, which is good, and to be able to see what is not good, or what is less good, and be able to either transmute that through understanding, or throw it out and give it up like a bad penny, takes a lot of good common sense. And I think our whole training, psychologically, physically, mentally, spiritually, is nothing more than good common sense and understanding. Father's name, A.R. Martin.
Asaph Roy Martin. Incidentally, there was a book put out by Lawson's father, Reinformation and Beyond, which is out of print now, of course. I have my copy. I think there are some in the libraries of the East, but I am in the process of having it re-published, so that it will be available, but I don't know exactly how to do it.
I don't know, this may be getting a little bit far ahead in discussing the importance of the field of reincarnation, but... If you have any intuitions, you might ask it. Well, I'll ask it. Modern astronomy and our innovations said that space is limited but unbound. In other words, that there was a curvature of space and that there was a limit to space as such, that you just didn't run, just run out of space. It was more or less a curvature such as the world is a sort of an oval shape or the space is in some respects. If this is so, and space is... After I went through all of these physical planes
on the various planets, does he then progress, enter into more ethereal planes and progress in those? How does he continue his progression after he has gone through the physical states? And I don't know that this is a very relative term, physical, but how actually do you... If space is limited, and I'm not sure that this is right, but this is what I get from the information, and where do you go after this? Are you asking me the question? I'm asking Mr. Martin. Do you want an answer for it? I have a part answer for it, though. Maybe your part answer is better than mine. I believe that we were created to know and understand ourselves, and I believe that we have great, great capabilities that we haven't even begun to touch. In other words, you might say we're in the kindergarten of learning because here we are in a physical body. We certainly haven't learned how to live in it harmoniously ourselves. We have diseases.
We have these so-called harming accidents and so forth that happen to it. We don't know how to maintain and operate and build perfectly this physical body. We don't know how to live perfectly with other people and our own family, let alone our own planet and our own solar system. And somehow I feel that we are like in the kindergarten because until we have learned how properly to build, maintain, and operate this physical body and be able to raise it into the dimensions where it does not have to go through death but can renew itself as an ageless pattern or where we can leave it until it will, then we have now mastered this physical body. I see. In other words, after we have gone through these various physical plagues and we no longer have to experience death through serene incarnation, we have reached somewhat the level of Christ. Yes, and it is only then that we begin or at the point of beginning to do what we were created to do.
You see, this is all a kindergarten state. This is all preparatory. We haven't started to do the work that we were created to do. We're just learning how now to be ourselves. And sometimes it takes so long. That's why we have a physical body. And incidentally, I think it's wonderful
to quote somebody like Einstein, but are you sure Einstein is right? I'm not. As I say, I'm not sure that he was, but I didn't really ask him these questions. I know that you talked about the bands of light. You see, that's one man's opinion stated at the time that he stated of his own comprehension. And I'm not so certain that there is any lens to space because of the fact that I think there is no limit to space, nor time. And I think the limit is within ourself. It's our own comprehension that's the limit. You see, we have to, in regards to the limitless address or the unlimitless address of space, we can get an answer to that, I think, in a book called Golden Scripts, under the chapter that is entitled Thoughtness of the Eternity. And you'll find that space is not so limited as some people believe. But it is really very, goes on and on. And I don't think that we, in any of our periods of manifestation,
[01:00:00] Audience questions: healing, suffering, and spiritual development
either physical or spiritual, realize how far we can really go out into this limitlessness. Although you will get a very good idea of how we can be both. And I just hope. Are there any other questions? Johnny. How does it happen that an individual who is way broad on something and very, very like a genius, or terrific in their own time, can't pick that up and not see what someone else can do with that one, kick it around a little bit? In the first place, we must remember, and I think you've heard me speak in this manner several times, and according to the scriptures, we are created in the image of the Father God. God has three principal powers.
The power of creation, the power of survival, and the power of deletion. And as much as we are supposed to be created in his image and likeness, we do have those three powers. Man uses those three powers in this manner. Man creates to survive. Man survives to create. How he does it is with his power of deletion. And it's up to the individual. Some individuals like to do a certain thing and they'll cram every bit of knowledge they can into that one particular channel, and that is as far as they can go. They have not expanded themselves intellectually in any other field of endeavor, because they do not choose to do so. You may like fusion. You may like something else. A person who likes to go out and work with his bare hands, or who likes to glove into a matter close to the great scientific field that is now beginning to be encoded more and more every day. But it is up to the individual. And it's only his own particular like and dislike is the cause
of why one person is so far advanced in one field and somebody else in another, and that they can go no further in any other field than that one. This is the answer. Or somebody who set it up here might have something to add to that or another theory along that line. Are there any other questions? Any other questions? Okay. Dr. Now, I'm going to come back here. If anyone wants chimes, and I'm going to try and keep this moving here until they let us know when it's ready. Or would you rather just get up and stretch your legs for a while. We're calling a meeting now and then get a chance to stretch and relax. I see somebody saying, oh, boy, that's just what I want. All right. Thank you again for coming. And I'm sorry we're dropping out of the call, but it hasn't been. The Press Secretary Thank you. I'm going to be back here a little bit later. But anyway, thank you.
more about this work, because our research, and we started out as a family, dealt more
reincarnation. It had always been a fascinating subject to us, naturally, where did we come
from, where are we going, and so forth. And my father had the ability, I should say he developed it, because I can see from his experiences, from his work with people, and with myself, that with just a little training, we can all do these very, very same things.
Some people would go back, we would say on a time track, very quickly, and other people took a long, long time. And I'm one of those who took a long, long time, and I marvel at my father's patience, and I'm glad that he had the patience with me. Because my first experience was relaxing the physical body, centering the mind, calming
my breathing, and then through a series of retrospections, yesterday, last week, and on that, trying to open up to the test. It took me a few days to get off where the last box you remember, you just went on that. And, by the very positive, yes, not hypnotic suggestion, because my father did not as frequently as it has been practiced by some of the people in my community there, he would
give us the suggestion of remembering, or that, or do you recall, and questions would be asked, rather than telling a person what they were doing, or knowing exactly what they were trying to do. And I would swallow, and I would swallow, and I would swallow. So, if any of you feel that you would like to sit in meditation, and try to go back into a past experience, if you are the type that goes to sleepies, because I never say, don't lie down in a bed, you will follow your old pattern of just simply going to sleep, like you do every night. And if you are that type, then sit up in a chair, but prop your head up, and go get some sleep. Be very mindful, and relax, and go back. There's a little bit more to it than that. Sometimes, maybe I'll come down and describe this to you. But, my experience was that I would swallow, and I would swallow, and I would swallow. And I would try to hold my throat and say to myself, well, this time I'll relax so that I won't.
And it would build up, it would build up in me, and I would swallow again. Okay. And I am exactly the same thing. I know that. There must have died close to 80 times this way. And that's the reason I marvel at his patience. When some people would go back so quickly. We had a presbytery minister there. And Dad tried again with the relaxation process. And I think possibly it was because he had gone into deep meditation, deep prayer, and felt for many times before Dad almost realized that he was in another incarnation. So, here I was struggling. Struggling along. But when I did go back into this head incarnation, I knew why this experience was bothering me so.
And it wasn't too pleasant an experience because it was a suicide. And suicides are never pleasant. But in going back through that experience, believe me, I learned the responsibility and the privilege it is.
To have a physical body and be within a physical body. And I think from that experience alone, never again would I in any lifetime want to willfully take my life.
Nor would I take someone else's. But in exerting experiences of this kind, that would take us to a point in consciousness.
And this I want you to concentrate on. A point in consciousness. Where we would be so relaxed in a physical body that the physical atoms were not a drain on our mind as gravitation.
Because believe me, gravity does affect the mind as well as it affects the physical body or any material body. And we were at that point within ourselves. Where we could look back into the past. We could look forward into the future of ourselves. Because remember, we were on our own time track, not someone else's. So it wouldn't become something as a fortune telling business. Because if I go back in this one point of consciousness within myself, I'm now on your time track. So that I can't see into your future. But I could see into mine from the standpoint that I could see unfinished causes that had not developed into their subsequent descent.
Therefore, they were unfinished business in my life and every business in a person's life. Every unfulfilled desire. Every debit card of the cosmic ledger left out of the business. And the balance with the credit side. And when you see these things, either in perception out from yourself or in retroception back from yourself,
you see exactly what a full lifetime everyone had to try to catch up to themselves. At this point in space, which is called space, the space within us, we can go out into our present time.
It is as if we were in the very center of the circle of a sphere. And could look in any direction we wanted to. And I did marvel at my father's ability to do this. I was grateful to be, I should say, the recorder in many of his experiences. For many people came to our home. And they had to be traveling too. But... Oshkosh, New York, Toledo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, all around. And in these friends' homes, we would have these meetings. And we would put people into, or help people go into these experiences. So, from what we learned, in and out of the physical body. From what we learned of a soul coming into a physical body at this time. Building its own physical body the way it wanted to. Crippled or not crippled. Deceptive or not deceptive. Accepting the genes and chromosomes of the parents. In the family genesis line. Or not accepting them. With really, like I say, we learn so many things. We learn of experiences between life.
Experiences on other planets. That have people on other planets. In from life. And all of these experiences brought me to the point of... In truth, I've never stopped. And I would like to say just a small bit to you. I don't know what kind of people close. Well, whatever time it was, I don't want to go past that point. But whatever we experience, this we learn. That we never lose a lesson gained. That we come back lifetime after lifetime. Still climbing upward. Now, climbing upward in spiritual development. Or in the knowledge of ourselves. For that is, after all, the prime command. Know thyself. And when he knows thyself. Which is what he would say, he knows God. So, as we would know this inner part of ourselves. We would realize that we come back in many strata of life. We come back as a pauper. And we come back as a rich. But the spirituality is never lost. We climb upward and upward. And the lesson we leave unlearned today.
Is the lesson we face tomorrow. And what we finish today. Becomes the tool by which we solve greater problems. And climb greater heights tomorrow. So, sometimes perhaps. I can come down and... Go into these subjects a little deeper with you. Of how some of these lifetimes would follow beautiful sequences. Where we would see one person in a lifetime. A certain family combination. And how they would bring that same family relationship back the next time. Because we seem to travel in cosmic families. And yet smaller groups. And the combinations by which we learn these two soul lessons. Are so varied. And yet so interesting. That they teach us the great law of cycles. How a death in one lifetime. Followed by the wrong reactions to death. Or the experiences of one time. Followed by the wrong reactions to that experience. Will bring out in our next lifetime. At that particular age. And cycle of our development. A similar or greater experience.
Which we are called upon to master. And these laws of cycles are tremendous. And so with just that little bit. I know many of you might have quite a few questions to answer now. Or if any of your questions would incorporate into the things that I have studied. Or that I have seen in these three sessions. I would be glad to answer them. We'll have a question and answer.
A short question and answer period in just a moment. But how many would like to hear Mr. Wallace-Martin in a longer song.
And we will have Mr. Ralph Hoffman back again with us as soon as we possibly can. He's pretty tired right now. So I'm going to not be asking you to direct any questions to Mr. Hoffman tonight. But. We'll take over again after the question and answer. All right. Well if you would like to address any questions to Colin Anderson or to myself. That's quite all. You could ask anyone else that you know of.
That's been watching along these lines to ever determine. Whether there's any specific time that lasts between incarnations. Yes. We found varying times. The majority seems to be between. 150 to 200 years. Although we know of one case. And I think that this is a very.
[01:18:20] Audience questions: ethics, free will, and daily life
Well I know you'll say it was very, very quick. And it seemed outstanding at the time you asked. One woman that I know of. She's in life today. She's back in Pennsylvania. Living in New Wilmington. Ralph will know who I mean. Was a general in the Civil War. A man in that lifetime. He left a wife. And two children. And the mother was pregnant for another child. About two or three months along. This general was killed. And came back into the body of the unborn child. And that was the quickest reincarnation I have ever seen. Well. I wondered about that. Because I've been convinced for a long, long time. That my daughter. My youngest daughter. Is the reincarnation of my wife's mother. The things that she said. The things that she does. Sometimes are identical. She has said things. Made statements. And remarks. And various phrases. That I never have ever heard any other person make or say. Except her mother. And I was wondering whether it was possible.
To come back to that story. Yes. Mm-hmm. Were you assigned to any particular place? Or do we have various? I think. You mean planets? Yes. I think many planets. I don't think we're here. We just packed on this one. Although it's a beautiful planet. And I don't think we're here all the time. By any means. I think as we go through certain genesis of ourselves. From a mass consciousness as Ralph spoke of. To an individualized consciousness. We first start out in a group. And then we come back into the individuality of ourselves. Then we see to go from the individuality in a personal way. To the greater consciousness of the one or God. In an impersonal way. And I don't believe by any means that we are assigned to just one life consciousness. And some of the experiences that Dad had. Or with other people. The consensus that they had. And it was still physical bodies. I don't understand. Pretty kind of. Yes. We see that we're all of the same age.
We're all born at the same time. Well, if you believe in an eternity. There never was a time when you were not.
And there never will be a time when you will not be. So there's eternity. So that age is not chronological by years. It is a matter of experience. In fact, we can see the soul as being old or young in experience.
Well, it says in Genesis that God completed his work in six days. Well, we all created at that one time. When he completed his work in that very six days.
Is that what you meant? Yes. I meant that it was all created at one time. Over one and ten times. No one is older than anyone else. Oh, you mean it is created out from the... Yes. I meant that it is created out from the... Well, I don't believe we've ever left the Godhead. We're in it now. But if we all started out, it would just be as if every cell of our body started out to become an individualized cell of itself.
Consciousness of the cells of my hands may start out a little quicker than the consciousness of my legs, for instance, or foot, in an overall consciousness of being.
But we were all... You might say, completely at the same time, because we were all at the same time. The whole world lies in the lap of the wicked one.
The what? The whole world lies in the lap of the wicked one. In the lap of the wicked one? In good and now. That's the conversion part of the Bible. I don't believe there's something in order to put me in that way. No. Oh. Well? Well, now, I don't believe from my understanding of hypnotism and what I have known of it, that I was hypnotized in any way.
Don't follow this question.
No, not in that particular vein, because this is what he tried to do. Hypnotism has someone else, and I admire these people very, very much. And that's what I mean in this case, in the Los Angeles case. But his premise is this. If we are to know ourselves, then why have someone else get a message for us? Why don't we get it for ourselves? And, in fact, he was of the opinion that if we, if he tried, his test, to take each one to the center of their own being, there is this much God consciousness in that person, if there wasn't my father or anyone else, and they could go and see their own pattern of life, see why they built the body as they did, see why they were maintaining the body as they were, in sickness or in health. So his premise was to find ourselves within, and we will have the answers to past, present, and future, and it won't come via some other process. Certainly. In sickness and body, there's simply being a burden to all our bodies.
That's true. I'm sure it's a fact. And I agree with that, and I know it is. In fact, it really is. In sickness and body, it works a lot. Well, of course, that's a matter of what we're converted to. It does that, I would say. We know it's past, present, and the last, because we are given some new skills. That is the thing. Before that, we were alone. Well, then, I really feel sorry for the people who were killed. We had no chance to be converted. You mean as they go into another life? Well, as I remember, as I remember my lifetime, one lifetime that I was in Atlanta,
and I didn't have the Bible as we know it now, but I did have a philosophy in religion. And this I remember. Yes. The soul enters the body as nearly as we found out at the time of death, the first
breathing. Although, all during gestation and development, the soul, to enter the body, is directing
and building that body the way it wants it to happen. We had one very interesting experience of a sinner coming into a lifetime. And she was a very famous singer in Italy, about 200 years ago.
And she described the method, and the way she built the throat. And when we taught doctors' books, and even described the rays of the arts to a doctor, he said that was a very unusual throat, and all excellent and top singers have that type of throat. And she was telling us how she was building this arch so high in the back, that for the acoustics from her own body, she needed that extremely high arch, and the roundness of her mouth and jaw here, to project the voice exactly the way she wanted it. Because she had been through an experience where she had tried and tried and tried this thing. The doctors had, well, she had, in her early lifetime, she had been almost choking it. Yes. And there had been such a consciousness of a constriction there, that she said she was going to build the throat the next time, so that she could have all that she wanted. And as she lived that lifetime of this singer in Italy, and sang for us, that in that piece
of the incarnation, some of the arias had remained exposed.
And about what? Well, from the, from the many varied experiences. That we had. My father had one individual who seemed to go through the consciousness of aligning the
mind, not, not being that, but aligning the mind with the four elements, earth, air, fire,
and water, so she knew the vibration, the rhythm, the balance, and the power of fire, a hurricane. Ralph, do you remember the rest of the work? Aligning herself with the consciousness of a growing ear of corn, she just grew, I mean the corn kept on growing, but it was just a oneness with that. And even the, the consciousness, I think, yes, it was of the cow, because she described to us the carousel of motion of the stomach as it was digesting, and when she went into the water. And that, and was taken up into the air by vibrations. She said the rhythm of the ocean was exactly the same as the rhythm in the stomach. So you see the universal rhythm that is all around us, and we have, that when we can get into one of these mansions, Ralph, when we get into one type of vibration, we find a,
a unity strata there. With many vibrations. With many vibrations operating on many different levels. But why do we need to do it here?
Well, it seems, it seems from the time of learning, or from the research that my father
and I have done, that we have, or we were created by God to be, what I would say, a
co-creator, or a God in ourselves. And unless we know how to discipline and how to direct our own lives, how can we in any way help or maintain a universe or a consciousness of our own? And I believe that we are on the kindergarten floor of knowing ourselves. We have not, in this physical body, learned how to build a perfect physical body. Maintain it free from the race consciousness of age. We have not learned how to manage with, deal with ourselves, let alone with two, three,
or a group of persons. And when it comes to the, of our activity, we are now in the, as the New York system
says, third race of consciousness, third dimension. Our whole pattern of lifetime, our whole age, from the Piscean into the Aquarian age,
is taking us into the fourth dimension. Four television, radio, and so forth, are all in the fourth dimension. I have been told that before we are true, with this fundamental understanding, we are in the solar system. As a solar system, we will have gone through twelve dimensions. Now, if we are, this time, going from the third into the fourth, you see we are young in experience. We are not yet able and ready to be a co-creator in the fourth century world. And so, it depends again on the physical form.
The physical form, how do we take on the form? Just like, you know, in the fourth century, it was mold. And then, as it filled the mold away, we left the form. And if you do this life, and make this your opportunity, take on your physical form, you become more and more like the sun. And we will be pleased to be a part of it. And I know it. And that's the number one reason everybody is. And that is to take on the form. That is a very good conception. Very good. We're going to have one more question, and then we're out. Thank you. I just want to ask, have you and your father made a record of these experiences and suggestions for those who are interested in furthering? I wish my father had. He passed on in 49. And the records that were made were shorthand records of what my sister and I had made out of the experience. And we did not have, at that time, a tape recorder. And there may have been a few in existence, but they were beyond our means.
So that we, everything that was recorded was by the temple. You had one question, I believe. What do you think of the idea of beginningless and endless time? That there was no creation, no beginning at all, but everything was, and is continually changing all the time. Yeah, well, I like that idea. I'm all for it. Because I like life. I love people. I like to live. I like to learn. And I don't want to walk here to associate with myself or something that would come to
an end here when I hadn't fulfilled and lived and done all the things that I would like to do. And as I say, I love people, and I want to know people, and I want to know more and more people. And that's one of the reasons why I so love to speak. I think that's the reason Ralph loves to speak, too, because he loves people. He loves to know people. He wants to know more people. I just had a thought while I was sitting here, and I know that the public could keep the speaker and also Mr. Ralph Hoffman here all night answering the questions, but I think we might try to get them down together sometime and have nothing but a question and answer session. How does that do? Great. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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little clips here that was sent to the general mcdonald by buck nelson concerning his experiences
and if you would like those just pick them up and if you want to get his book to give you the information on the back here on that our next meeting will air in this hall will be two weeks from tonight which will be the july the 16th where it has a harmony growth date and then at the last
of the month the 30th of july will be our social affair we might be able to talk somebody into coming down and answering questions on that night while we're marching on the group that is about all i have to say and again thank each and every one of you the one point i just i do want to bring out we try to be progressive with this group we invite a variety of speakers with their various
subjects this these are their subjects and any of you have the privilege you know of disagreeing with the subject or with the manner of which it is presented you're not going to force anything down your throat to prevent these meetings
they're up to you to accept or give pardon you alone know what you can believe and what you can't believe but i'll tell you what we are presenting a very informative and a wonderful program to look at our program and i just want our uh and others are going to be in the future do you have anything to say i'd like to change those that do have a car or you have a friend that has a car you talk to that want to go to highland road on the 12th or at the 13th at 13th i would believe your phone number so that you can just call me or would you call us
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