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[00:00] Opening remarks and transition into symposium discussion

Tenacity, a hanging on, a refusal to let go of what you have.

This individual will indicate it by the hook on the end of the T-bar.

This is very pronounced, very definite, and to the degree that you have this hook, to that degree you will hang on, to that degree the tenacity that you will have will be more pronounced.

These individuals who have this tenacity in their writing will find a great deal of difficulty in letting go of the things that they have. If you have a love affair, whatever,

whether you're... whether it be male or female, that is if you are a woman and you have a woman, and yet the individual does not satisfy your needs, the individual doesn't have what you feel is applicable to your needs,

although judgment tells you to let him go or let her go and attract to yourself someone else who is not your love. That is more in keeping with what you are like. Because of this tenacity, because of this hanging on, more than likely you're going to hang on to the individual until you find someone to replace that individual. And this is the same with your material things, your collectors of coins, your collectors of stamps and whatever, or the little doodads that so many people, collect a hanging on until something else comes along that will take its place. A coin collector, for example, will, if something else comes along that has greater value to it, will let the coins go once he has this other thing.

Self-castation. Blaming yourself for whatever takes place, in your life. A sneering at yourself. What right do you have to blame yourself for many things that you have no control over? You don't, do you? But many people will do this. Notice that the T-bar goes back to my right.

It doesn't stop. But when the individual brings down, the T-stamp, they do not stop. They whip back. Anytime you see a stroke that goes back like this, it is to the self. Now, if the individual had taken the trouble to bring this line as he started and bring it back again, it would have indicated that the individual reaches into the past. And uses his experiences for his self-improvement or whatever.

Many people have a habit of blaming themselves for things that they have no control over. I think that, personally, that we are brainwashed into the concept that everything that is done or is not done is done by the person who is doing it. And I think that's a very important thing. And I think that's a very important thing. And I think that's a very important thing. And I think that's a very important thing. It's based on a blaming concept. Why don't you consider the idea that you may make errors in judgment in some things,

but this doesn't necessarily mean that you have to blame yourself for things that may have gone wrong or things that you have no control over. I have people come into the office and they say their parents have died for some reason or other and that the individual wasn't there or did not give enough attention to the parent and that they say they blame themselves that mama or papa or husband or wife, brother or sister passed away. And yet they could not have done anything about it anyway, could they? And yet they continually blame themselves for something they have no control over whatsoever. I think we all need a little self-control, a little bending of the will, if you will. And many people, many people do this by bending the T-bar down. Anytime that you see a T-bar with a downward bend to this, it's like taking an iron bar and making a bow in it. The individual is consciously trying to overcome some inconsistency

in their behavior patterns. They are trying to break a bad habit. Remember we talked about the individual with pride, the long, tall T-stem. What about the individual who reaches beyond this pride and goes into the area of vanity? Notice the relationship between the lowercase letter and the T-bar. Notice the relationship between the lowercase letter the stem itself, much, much higher.

[07:00] Panel discussion on UFOs, space, and science

It is three and a half times or greater than the height of the lowercase letter. The individual is not only vain, but they are sensitive to criticism. A vanity is a tendency to accept your achievements without any effort to go beyond that. The individual who is vain is very easily satisfied in what they do. They may have capabilities that far exceed their outward expression in what they do, but because of this vanity, they are satisfied. They are satisfied with much less than what they are capable of giving. If you come in contact with the individual who keeps appointments on time, who will brook no red tape, people who are, though they may like good foods, good colors, they want things done in a simple manner without a great show of pomp. The individual, the individual who is of this makeup will write their T-bar, T-stems, without an initial upward stroke. They start right up and right down. Very simple. That is their, this trait,

and what they, the way they approach things is of a simplicity. They like things without a lot of show. If you, they eat a good steak, they don't want a lot of trimmings, unnecessary trimmings, just to make the steak look good. They just want the good steak. The greatest defense that an individual has against the intrusion of others, whether it's in their intrusion of thoughts, intrusion of behavior, is temper. This is all that temper is, to whatever degree it may be, or to whatever degree the individual may manifest it, it still is a defense against intrusion of others. It's an outward explosion against it, and the individual who has a temper will manifest it by writing the T-bar to the left of the T-stems, to the right of the T-stems. In other words, the stroke follows. This individual not only has a temper, but when he expresses his feelings, it will be in a very sarcastic manner as well.

Now you've heard, you've come in contact with people who carry you along with them without any apparent effort. They are not forcing you to go along with their effort. They are not forcing you to go along with their effort. They are not forcing you to go along with their ideas, their concepts, or behavior. They are doing it because they are dominating. Their makeup is such that when they come in contact with you, they dominate you because of the force of will that they have. This is a dominant person. Now look, if you will notice the T-stem, it's very blunt at the end. There is no trailing off on this whatsoever. Yes, I know your mother-in-law who is reading her writing.

Sorry, Frank. This individual who has a... Excuse me, Frank. It wasn't dominating. It was domineering. This person, this person here does not force you to go along with their ideas. It's just that their will, their enthusiasm, the strength in their convictions carries you along with them. Whether it is for good or evil, whatever connotation you place on it, on the end result is immaterial. If you went along with this kind of an individual, this dominating, you went along of your own free will without any pressure whatsoever. I'm going to slip. The individual that demands that you go along with them, that they want you to do things right now, if they tell you to jump off the bridge, off the Golden State Bridge, for example, they mean, right now, hurry up, the same downward stroke, but with the difference that it has the sharp point to it. I want you to do what I want you to do right now, never mind the results. They, again,

these people are defending against their insecurities. They want you to do what they want you to do because they want you to do what they want you to do. They want you to do what they want you to do because of their inadequacies and they feel that this is the only way that they can get your attention. Now, what about the person that digs their heels in and says, this is the way it's going to be, I'm not going to budge. Stubborn. More than likely, without qualification, without real reason for being stubborn. They brace themselves against any opposition whatsoever. Is your tease like that? Somebody says, I know. Like a tent. Now, it also has another, this tease stem also has another connotation. This individual is not only stubborn, but they are also very decisive about it. Notice the blunt end. The T-bar, T-stem does not come up. It stops right at the baseline. These people who make very blunt endings in any of their writing

are very decisive thinkers. They know what they want. And you're not going to tell them any different. Forget it. You know, it's like beating your head against the stone wall. You're the one, you're the one that's going to get bruised, not them. I've seen so many people who have had wonderful traits in their total personality, wonderful capabilities, wonderful thinkers, that is, keen, comprehensive thinkers. And they turn around with all of these attributes that they have and treat life very shallow. They're very flighty. They think life is a joke. Well, it isn't. It doesn't mean that we have to go around looking solemn and with our heads bowed in prayer every moment of the day. But life has a meaning to it. God did not place us here on this earth to live, exist in a superficial manner and then pass away without something to show for it. We all have a destiny, if you will. However insignificant it may appear to you in relationship with someone else,

you still have a reason. You still have a destiny and then results. People who are shallow thinkers who treat life very shallow, very flighty, will write their tea bars like this, like a dish, like a very shallow saucer.

I don't know why people want to treat themselves. If you treat life as a joke, you are not hurting anyone else. In the final analysis, you're hurting yourself. You're treating yourself as though you had no meaning, as though the divine power that is within you has no value to it whatsoever. And what, if you want to put right or wrong to yourself, what right do you have to take a creation such as you? And treat it so shabbily.

Persistence. Whether it is good or bad, a stick-to-itiveness. The individual who is persistent will make the tie in their tees. They bring the tee bar, tee stem down, loop it to the left, and remember I said we bring it back, we go into the past, but we bring it back to the past. But we bring it back into the realm of reality to use. This individual who writes their tees in this manner are very persistent. They will endure. They are the steadfast people. Regardless of the trials and tribulations that may beset them, they will never admit defeat. They will persist. They will persist in spite of all obstacles. Now you've met many people who set their own standards of living in relationship to the laws and mores that society has set for them. They depend on themselves. They could care less about your concept of what is right or wrong. They very rarely conform at least they do not conform totally. These people are independent thinkers.

Notice the tee stem, the height of the tee stem in relationship to the lower case letter A. Very short. They may have a lot of, they may have dignity in what they do, but they are going to be independent with it. Now I don't believe that,

as I said earlier, that any man or woman has to live less than what they have to work with. Your innate abilities, the traits that you have acquired that will enable you to achieve the things in life that you want. You can have these things, so why put off? Why procrastinate? Why find excuses? Why find excuses for living the kind of life that you want that is best suited for your needs? The individual who procrastinates, who puts things aside, will put their tee stem before the tee bar. It never crosses. I hear some procrastinators. People who find excuses, who rationalize for not achieving. Now, what I have shown you here this afternoon is but a very small portion of the traits that go up to make your total personality. The reason I showed you the tee bar, I showed you the tee stem, is because it is the most important letter in the alphabet as far as analyzing your handwriting is concerned. There are 24, I have shown you,

but 24 of the various traits that can be determined merely by this one letter. If you want to achieve self-realization and I know that everyone can have it and I have proven it time after time with the people who come to me for counseling, find out what you are like. Find out where your areas of self-imposed shortcomings.

Because unless someone puts a ball and chain on you and ties you to the bed, what we get out of life is going to be based on our own opinions of ourselves, it's going to be based on what we do with it. Find out what you are like through grapho-analysis. Not graphology. Grapho-analysis. This will give you the key. If ever there was a key to self-realization, This is it. It is very practical. It's a very easy, very inexpensive way to find out what you are really like and not what someone else thinks you are like. Thank you very much for listening. It was a pleasure. Wasn't that interesting? I think that was very good. How many of you saw yourselves in these cards? I would like to say, while you're writing, would you please write this address down? We were very happy to receive a letter from Congressman George Miller, who was the congressman responsible for the setting up of the closed hearings that took place in Washington

on the UFO subject on the 31st of June, I think it was, past. July, rather. Now, write this information down, please. Would you folks just hold your conversation here for a minute? Okay. I want to make sure you get this address. Congressman George P. Miller. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. Congressman George Miller, House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. And ask him to send you information about the big, thick book that's available. It's called the UFO Symposium Report. The UFO Symposium Report. And this report contains the testimony of six of America's leading scientists and what they had to say about UFOs. Once more, the address, Congressman George P. Miller, House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. And ask him for the full information on how you can receive the book on the UFO Symposium that took place in Washington, D.C. in 1968. July 31st. And you'd be surprised. I'll have my copy here later on. You'll be astounded

at some of the tremendous statements that were made by qualified scientists about not only UFOs, but exobiology and what have you. Now, how many of you saw that television program last night? That is the first pilot film of the 39 weeks of television that are planning next, that are going into effect next month. It begins in San Francisco, I believe it's the 8th of February. And we understand that a number of foreign countries have already contacted our producers in an effort to buy the film and translate it into the languages of those various countries. I don't care if they said UFOs don't exist. I'm still busy trying to prove that people have a right to think for themselves. How many of you agree with that? Say aye. Aye. Now, listen, there are many strange and unusual things going on all over the world. I don't understand them all, neither do you. And that's why these public symposiums are good for the spleen, as the fellow in Gunsmoke used to say.

Remember? Now, you take, for instance, this strange creature that was found lying at the side of the road. Now, this, they said, would do harm to the American people for you to know the truth about these things. In Washington, they told me years ago, we cannot, under any circumstance, whatever, tell the people the truth because of the fear of mass hysteria. Now, if you're going to get hysterical, please do so while the lights are on so nobody gets hurt. There are too many strange and unusual things going on of which we have information available by way of these five magazines. The reason I mention the TV show is because these five magazines are going to be offered on the air beginning in February. I don't know what television channel is carrying it locally, but as soon as we find out, we're going to let you know. If you desire to be placed on the special mailing list, fill out one of the cards in the lobby and put it in the box

and we'll be very happy to notify you. We received the call yesterday from TV Guide, and they're also interested in doing a feature story on the National Investigations Committee as well as the new television program. These five books, are available on the back table. You can have all five for a dollar.

[28:00] Technical and speculative themes

And the money that you spend for these magazines is going directly to defray the expenses of this public symposium. Now, we want you to take a ten-minute recess period, a ten-minute break. Please be careful of the cables and the wires. Don't knock the camera over and everything will be fine. We'll be back here in exactly ten minutes. Thank you. It's certainly no stranger to many of us or to many of you. He has served as president of the Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America for quite some time. And during the recent flap of UFO pictures across the United States, Gabe Green certainly did his part in spreading the word and showing the major news areas of this country and other countries that UFOs are real. Now, I would like to say before we introduce Gabe, that we refrain to the best of our ability from gathering in the back room while there's a speaker on the platform. I don't think we can be fair to the speaker by going back there

and having our own little conclave. Let's refrain from gathering in the back book room and I would appreciate if the book stalls and the book tables are all closed while the people are speaking behind the podium. Everybody in favor, say, aye. Aye. Any opposed, you see me later. We'll talk. Ladies and gentlemen, it's my privilege to present Gabriel Green.

Thank you very much, Dr. Stranges. Since the modern day era of the flying saucer began almost 22 years ago on June 24th, 1947, when Kenneth Arnold first sighted nine mysterious objects flying at fantastic speed over Mount Rainier, Washington, flying saucer researchers have learned a tremendous amount about the subject. And yet, largely due to the success of propaganda and suppression of information and evidence in their possession, governments have thwarted public interest and understanding through ridicule, distortion, and suppression of the truth so that the general public is almost totally ignorant of the serious and vital nature of the subject and its relation to the very survival of mankind on this planet. Although according to a Gallup poll taken a couple of years ago, over five million people in the United States alone claim to have seen flying saucers, unfortunately, most people still seem to believe what Big Brother,

wants them to. That flying saucers are merely figments of the imagination, natural phenomena, high-flying Canadian geese, or swamp gas. But people's ignorance of the truth does not make a truth. In over two decades of study, persons who have looked objectively at the information and evidence have learned that strange objects, quite often, saucer-shaped and silvery-metallic in color, have been sighted in almost every country of the earth, hovering, making right-angle turns at speeds of thousands of miles per hour, creating electrical interference, stopping watches, cars, trucks, and clocks, and in general demonstrating a technological capability far superior to that of any nation on earth. What is still surprising to most people is that thousands of people now claim to have had some type of contact with the advanced extraterrestrial crews of these craft, and the number is growing every day. There really isn't much of a lack of sightings

and contacts with the extraterrestrials, as there is a blackout of information about such contacts, about the only way the public can keep abreast of the saucer news is to subscribe to some type of saucer research publication of which, over the years, hundreds, literally hundreds, have come into existence. The publication of our own organization, AFSCA, is now titled Flying Saucers International, and through a process of exchange with other publications throughout the world, we keep abreast of what is taking place on the UFO scene in every country. To better facilitate an exchange of such information between flying saucer researchers in the various countries, last year we formed what is called the World Union of Flying Saucer Clubs, in which members exchange their publications freely with other research organizations. There are so many publications on the saucer subject that it becomes more or less economically prohibitive

to subscribe to them all and to keep abreast of what actually is taking place. Now, we know from experience that there is, in some country on the Earth, activity taking place almost every minute of the day. And we receive clippings from our members and other research organizations that testify to a tremendous volume of activity, even though we may think that the saucers are relatively quiet for a while because we don't see some reports of them taking place in our local newspapers. For the most part, the press has clamped down on most saucer reports. For the most part, the press has clamped down on most saucer reports. For the most part, the press has clamped down on most saucer reports. For the most part, the press has clamped down on most saucer reports. So that unless a person subscribes to a clipping service and receives these newspaper reports of activity in local areas, he knows little or nothing about the tremendous volume

of activity that is actually taking place. All of the millions of sightings and contexts that have been made to date are all part of a very gradual plan of the space that has been made to date are all part of a very gradual plan of the space to condition and to prepare us mentally and psychologically for the time when their existence will be proved to the whole world. TV shows and motion pictures have done a great deal to condition the public to many of the fantastic concepts that we are exposed to in this work. that we are exposed to in this work. For a period of years, we have such programs as My Favorite Martian, Star Trek, Lost in Space, The Invaders,

and the Science Fiction Theater, and numerous other shows which are bringing to the attention of the general public the concepts that are taken right from flying saucer literature, such things as teleportation, in which the captain of the Starship Enterprise,

Captain Kirk, beams down, is in actual reality a scientific capability of any advanced race of people. The concept of mind over matter, or telekinesis, such as Uncle Martin used to do on My Favorite Martian. It's a concept that many advanced races, a capability that many advanced races have through control of inanimate objects through power of the mind. One of my contacts told me one time that he could actually accomplish teleportation of his physical body through the mental process alone. He said that with people like yourself that don't have this capability, we can use instrumentation on them and pick them up right off the street instantaneously through putting a beam on them, and they'll disappear and people will scratch their head and wonder what happened. But he said, with people that have my capability, I merely think where I want to go, and there I am. And I said, gee, Renton, that's pretty good.

Do you suppose... I'll ever be able to do that? And he said, well, by the time you've lived a couple of thousand years like I have, you'll have a lot more capabilities than you have now, too. But he said that it isn't that we are so much smarter than any of the rest of you,

but you have a history of periodically destroying the accumulated knowledge of your whole civilization. You burn the books, and I understand the Condon Committee is suggesting that we ban all the flying saucer books from the classroom now. You burn your books, you tell people not to investigate this area of knowledge, and just listen to my point of view, and everything will be fine. But a civilization that has had the opportunity to learn from the experience, not only the minds and experience of a civilization for a few hundred or a few thousand, but literally for the accumulated knowledge over millions of years of time, is going to have a tremendous advantage over that one which our knowledge has only been accumulated for a few hundreds or a few thousand years. The type of advancement that a civilization, say, half a million years in advance of our own, or even a few hundred, could achieve at our present rate of advancement here on this planet,

it would just be impossible to comprehend, for our present frame of mind to comprehend. We can't even understand the science or believe the science that we will be having in the next 20 or 25 years. So how can we place a limitation? How can we place a limitation on what is possible in this universe, logically do so? It is only the ego of man which says that the universe must be limited to my present understanding of it.

And what I can't understand cannot be accomplished. It is impossible for any other advanced races to accomplish because we haven't done it here.

So these T.V. shows are all part of the great plan of the space people.

Just like Buck Rogers was a conditioning period to prepare us for the space age in which we shoot our own tin cans up into the air. And I'm not belittling the accomplishments of our astronauts. I think this is a tremendous scientific accomplishment. But in relation to the greater accomplishment of the extraterrestrials, and what we can accomplish through their help, it is the first step to traveling amongst the stars.

Now, an examination of the classics of mythology, of ancient Indian lore, of old newspaper clippings, ancient diaries, and all of the holy books of the world, will reveal descriptions which coincide very closely, in substance, with the descriptions of modern day contexts with extraterrestrial people and their craft that came out of the heavens. Some people believe that religion is a lot of silly, superstitious nonsense.

I think primarily because they have been incapable of relating the dogmatism of religion

with our present level of understanding of science today. But we feel that through investigation of the saucer subject, we are coming into a greater awareness of the closeness, the companionship between religion and science. The two, the extraterrestrials tell us, are really one when understood. And if we, in the light of flying saucers, will re-read our holy scriptures and try to understand them from the very advanced technological capabilities of these advanced races of people that came out of the heavens, then I think we will achieve a new understanding of the validity

that is in all religions today. All religions, in essence, were trying to tell us something, trying to tell us how to live better lives. The great prophets were perhaps emissaries from these advanced extraterrestrial worlds, trying to get a message to us as to how to live, how to be saved in the literal sense of how to keep from destroying ourselves once we develop a technological capability of doing so.

If we will look at Moses' exodus from Egypt,

and we've read about the descriptions of the pillar of fire by night and the pillar of cloud by day, these descriptions fit very closely the descriptions of modern-day sightings of an extraterrestrial mothership, oblong, cigar-shaped ship, and from a very practical point, it seems quite logical that if you're going to sustain a large number of people in the wilderness for 40 years or any great length of time, they had to have some means of support. It seems quite logical that if people are going to travel in the heat of the day, that the condensation of moisture around the craft, to provide a cloud, would be very nice for people that are in a very hot desert, and that if you were traveling in the cool of the evening, a little light to travel by would certainly not be unwelcome. And then, of course, a little manna from heaven, which might correspond to our K rations today, to provide a sustenance when we're constantly traveling

and couldn't provide that sustenance for ourselves, would also be very welcome, if not necessary, to sustain life. And of course, while many ministers, unfortunately, are starting to deny the validity of the biblical scriptures and so-called miracles today, an understanding of how the extraterrestrials can create a beam of electronic energy so dense that water cannot penetrate it, and is just like a plastic shield, is a very simple explanation of how the waters of the Red Sea were parted and held back until the Israelites passed through. Withdraw this electronic shield, and the water is replaced. I could probably spend all of the rest of my time

dwelling on these so-called miracles of the Bible, which, in the light of present times, are flying saucer sightings and knowledge, are merely the employment of advanced technological capabilities of extraterrestrial peoples. When Jesus was seen by his disciples to ascend into the heavens, into a cloud, this was very unusual for the people at that time to witness, naturally. But they didn't have the comprehension of the type of science of which these extraterrestrials were capable. They didn't even know that blood circulated through the body at that time. So how could you possibly explain to these relatively primitive people, in relation to even what we are today, what our understanding is today, about other worlds and other planets, where they had capabilities far beyond what our imagination could conceive of? There are three people, three contactees within the last 15 years, that have duplicated the feats of Jesus

in making his ascension. One of them was George Adamski. When he was taken up into the belly of a mother ship by means of an anti-gravity beam, he ascended right through the air. Another one was Dan Martin, and another one was Bob Bernard, just a few years ago. There have probably been a number of others. But within just the last few years, we have had demonstrations that our extraterrestrial friends do have this capability, so whether we want to accept it, whether we want to accept or not, that this was the way Jesus ascended, is another thing. But that the extraterrestrials have this capability has already been shown to a few.

Now one question that has bothered a lot of people in the saucer movement has been that if line saucers do exist, why haven't they proven their reality before? There's a fair say that a lot of you

[49:00] Questions on evidence, sightings, and interpretation

already believe that saucers are a reality, and having studied the subject for many years. In the beginning of our movement, many people assumed that we're very interested in the cause because they assumed that the extraterrestrials were going to prove their reality to everybody within a few years, and then we could get on with the real reason that they're here, and make this earth into a better place. But the job is taking a little bit longer than most people originally thought. I dare say that if many of the contactees and researchers realized that it was going to take over 20 years of work and sweat and all sorts of recriminations from people that pioneers generally experienced, that they wouldn't have started the journey in the first place, and perhaps this has been the reason why we haven't seen what the end view is going to be from the beginning. If we realized that it was going to take so long, probably a lot of people

wouldn't have started the trip. But from a practical point of view, it would be foolhardy for the extraterrestrials to land on the White House lawn, thus proving their reality to everyone, assuming that the news services covered the event, because it would accomplish a number of things. First, a lot of people, if they came openly amongst us, would demand that these people use their technology and understanding to serve us and to accomplish all the things that we should be doing for ourselves. In effect, we wouldn't learn much through the process. They said that while we can clean up your own backyard, if we do so, if we clean up what literally amounts to a pig pen from their point of view, and you put the pigs back in it, to dirty it all up again, it won't stay clean very long. But they realized also that by giving us the inspiration and the guidance to help ourselves and giving us a helping hand to accomplish the great works

that must be accomplished within the next few years, if our civilization is to literally survive, that we will learn through this process, we will grow through the strength and feel some pride in having accomplished something. Some people would resent them as invaders and say, Martian, go home, you're interfering in our game here, we don't want you. And, of course, this is what our governments are saying, they just wish that the extraterrestrials would go home and let business be as usual. And, this would allow them to keep up their game of brainwashing people and controlling not only their minds, but their votes and their pocketbooks.

Well, the strategy has been one of a gradual introduction of their concepts in every case. At any time in the past, they could have had thousands of witnesses to their landings, but they chose one individual. In some cases, there have been many individuals that have seen a landed craft, and in cases of sightings in the sky over cities, there have been thousands that have witnessed these craft at a distance. But, they don't create such a stir when they're at a distance. As long as they keep their distance, we don't have to worry about them too much. But, the reform has been gradual. But, the point that a lot of social researchers are making today is that eventually there has to be a breakthrough. I mean, how long can you go along at a snail's pace and making infinitesimal amounts of progress? The old people that know what the movement is about will be dying off or too decrepit to do anything about it until we start making a breakthrough

before too many years. And, of course, from a practical point of view, now that the world is riding the razor's edge to thermonuclear oblivion, and possibly will be doing this for the next decade or two until we can start resolving the problems which create these tensions in the world, and the destructive conditions in the world, that are a menace to our very survival. When will the breakthrough come? Actually, I think that it's very close. Perhaps this year we will start to see a lot more tangible evidence being brought forth in which we have photographic evidence of some of the extraterrestrials in the pictures by their craft or some of the contactees standing by the craft or pictures being permitted to be taken inside the craft or actually on other planets will start to be coming back to us so that the general public who is for the most part from Missouri can be shown that there is something to this subject. Now what would the suppression

and control of the world from the standpoint of the powers that be, the establishment, so that there is little opportunity for new concepts to be brought forth? It is vitally necessary that some radical procedure or some phenomena help to create this stranglehold on people's minds. And if we will stop to think about it, what is more sensational than the existence of these extraterrestrials themselves? Imagine the potential that these people have if and when they decide that the time is right. They can focus the eyes and ears of the peoples of the world on them or their contacts or associates on this planet. All they have to do is prove their reality, and this they say they will do when they are ready, not when we would like it. And it is not the mission of any contactee to provide proof to anybody or anywhere, because their responsibility is merely to disseminate the information about their experiences that the extraterrestrials

have given them. Since proof is different for each individual, what could you prove to a person that has the will to disbelieve anyway? There are still some people that believe in a flat earth, I understand, possibly even after the astronauts have come back from the moon. So if a person has the strong enough will to disbelieve, he is not even going to believe if a spaceship landed in his own backyard. He will have some sort of rationalization which says, oh, this proves that flying saucers are real, but they are merely an advanced technology from our own planet. But what would be the strategic time and what would be the purpose of the extraterrestrials in proving their reality? Before our friends can make, this planet can make any further progress, they have told all contactees that we must change to a non-money system of economics. We must, we must upgrade our mental and spiritual understanding. In essence, their mission to this planet

is mental, social, and spiritual reform. But it hasn't taken maximum effect today in over 20 years since the modern day era of the saucer began. But what would cause the breakthrough? Strategically, the time when the eyes and ears of the people of the world are focused on a single subject would be when the astronauts come back from the moon on their first or second missions. The first time anybody makes a breakthrough, everybody's watching it to see what's going to happen. The first time we orbited man into space, the world is watching. The governments, all governments, have to be permitted to save face. They've been lying to us for so long that there has to be some way for them to save face and still start telling the people the truth about this subject. And one way that they could do this would be when the astronauts spend sufficient time on the moon to visit the underground bases there that the extraterrestrials have installed, be permitted

to take photographs of these installations and when they get back show the evidence of these bases. Then the government could say that we never did say that flying saucers didn't exist. We just said that they didn't represent a threat to the security of the United States. And we never said that extraterrestrials didn't exist. We just said we didn't think that they could get here within the next 10,000 years. And we never said that they would be a threat to the security of the United States. We never said that they would be a threat to the security of the United States within the next 10,000 years. But now we know they exist. We have the evidence and here it is. What a way to get off the hook. Whether or not that text plays, who knows? Since you cannot prove the future regardless of what the extraterrestrials tell you is going to happen, you cannot prove the future until it happens. So we'll have to wait and see. But if they don't

take advantage of the space people saying as soon as you're ready to convert to a non-money system, you will have tremendous opportunities. But when is this as soon as going to happen? When are we going to be ready for this type of breakthrough? How are we going to get ready for this type of breakthrough? The world has to start listening to the message of the space people. They're not going to do it with the present level of evidence available, even though it's an overwhelming volume of evidence that if anybody examined, they have to be insane not to take it seriously. But there has to be something, some event, some chain of events that cause the world to look at this problem and to realize that there are extraterrestrial races that are concerned with our welfare, that they're here to help us and that we can benefit much from their knowledge and experience. Certainly, if we do not start to make sociological changes which solve problems facing mankind

that are in your headlines every day, we can't survive forever, perhaps not more than another decade or two. And there is the possibility that we could go up and smoke at any single instant. So, in effect, the extraterrestrials are buying us time until we can upgrade our social and spiritual sciences and introduce the necessary economic reforms so that we can take advantage of the tremendous technological capabilities that we have already developed on this planet. Two thousand years ago, we didn't have a science. We hadn't had the Industrial Revolution or the Industrial Revolution or the Industrial Revolution then. But we have a technological capability now to produce abundance for every man, woman, and child on this planet. We don't have to chew our own shoe leather now. We have machines that can grind them out thousands and millions at a time. We have the ability to create abundance. But our antiquated economic system can't produce abundance to the masses. We have this

problem of the extremes of wealth and poverty. We have the have-not nations and the have-nations. And it is justifiable from the standpoint of the leader of a have-nation to say, well, 20 million of our people are going to save 10 million people. Well, aren't I a great benefactor to save the lives of 10 million people? Maybe so. This is how wars are justified in the minds of a so-called humanitarian. It's going to save 10 million of his people, and expansionistic philosophies get support. But then some of our leaders have lots to learn. If we would merely practice a few of the principles that the great prophets of our religion have told us about throughout the ages, we would soon see that this physical kingdom of heaven can be materialized right here on this planet. It's not of this world. It's of a world of a future. But that world is here and now. We have this capability. We have the capability to produce abundance for everybody. All we need is a little new understanding and insight as to

how to meet the needs of the people, who are living and working for the benefit of all humanity on the planet, like it has worked for eons of time on other heavenly bodies, heavenly in relation to the

hell that we are experiencing on this backward planet in the cosmos. Perhaps within a couple of years we will make serious note of the message that the contactees have been telling people about for the last number of years. And we will start to apply what we have learned from these advanced races to solve very practical problems. But even though people believe in flying saucers, they don't know what to do and how to make these social reforms. We have to get people seriously interested enough in the message of the space people to cause them to examine what these solutions are. So there are some other little goodies that might also help you with the extraterrestrials. And one of these potentials which is certainly within the capability of our space brothers is to, through their grace, give to our airlines a few of their extraterrestrial craft for service on the airlines of the world. We could get on an airline or a flying saucer, 200 foot diameter flying saucer at International Airport and in the space

of 10 or 15 minutes arrive at our destination any place on this planet. Can you conceive of how the consciousness of the people would be tremendously advanced? Our own astronauts' mission is to expand the awareness of people to at least consider the possibility of extraterrestrials coming from other sources. They reason that if we can get there maybe they can come here. Makes sense for the people and maybe 100 or 2 additional larger craft or transportation of the

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mail and air freight. This is going to give people personal experience so they can say we can visualize firsthand what is going to look like in the future. We have some more of these goodies. Let's hear what you have to say about solving problems. The solutions to mankind's problems have been available to us in the past and will be available in the near future. We will continue to learn from these people and we will continue to learn firsthand from these people. We will continue to learn from these people and we will continue to learn from them. We will continue to follow the ways of life and our lives. We But to think in terms of the brotherhood of all mankind, a universal citizenship, universal governments,

such as they have developed on all other advanced planets that are members of the United Alliance of Planets.

If somebody, some extraterrestrial were to land on Earth and say, take me to our leader, to your leader,

we would have to say today, what leader? We don't have a leader. We have leaders of various independent nations, but they can't speak for any nation in the whole world.

So if we are really going to take advantage of what membership in the Universal Alliance of Planets would mean,

we're going to have to develop a government that can speak for all of our people of our planet,

to make agreements with other planets. To engage in trade, perhaps, to make arrangements for periodic visits of the stars.

But in order to do that, we're going to have to form a world government, here on this planet. Now, to a lot of people today, world government is a dirty word, because they associate it with totalitarian control. Give one man that much power, and he can dominate or suppress the whole world. They think in terms of, the communists want that so they can control everybody. Well, if you have a world government where you have a single government, there's nobody to fight with, maybe we could end wars. If it's the right type of world government, if it is the type of world government based upon entirely new concepts, new principles of democratic representation, that have never before been thought of on this planet, don't exist in the United Nations or anywhere else, except in the minds of a few people that have been inspired by the extraterrestrials. This government must be so knowledgeable that they can legislate their laws

to coincide with the universal laws and principles by which all the people on advanced planets coincide their lives.

How have they been able to, end disease, end strife, end poverty, and enjoy a heaven-like existence on their planet? By the same way that we can do this, if we will use their information, knowledge, and accept their guidance in a friendly way.

Many people don't consider that we have a very important future. A lot of young people, especially, have felt that, now that we have the technological capability of destroying all civilization, it is only a matter of time until this happens. My friends, there is an alternative. By following the words and wisdom and guidance of the extraterrestrials that are literally here to save us from ourselves, if we will accept that guidance. What can you do? As an individual, you can help your friends to prepare for this time when the government will make acknowledgment. There is a lot of work that still has to be done between now and maybe two years, maybe three, whatever it is. I don't know, but there has to come a time, if we are to survive, when governments have to acknowledge these extraterrestrials. And you can do your bit by learning as much as you can about this subject, by studying the literature, spreading the word,

and being, shedding your light in the darkness that exists in the world.

By letting your light shine, we are one step closer to the achievement of the prophecies that have been given by our great religious prophets. That there will come a time, in the time of the end, when the new world is created, when the universal brotherhood of all mankind and the kingdom of heaven exists on the planet Earth. Thank you.

Thank you, Gabe. Before we go on, I'd like you to all stand right where you are, there with me today. Let's stick to our time schedule, because if we run over time, as I mentioned before, some people will... I'm sure there weren't speakers applauding. All right, you may be seated again, please. I have a very interesting roll of film here.

That we'd like to show sometime during tonight's session, if at all possible. And we have some very interesting slides that we'd like to show sometime either tonight or later on tomorrow evening. And please do not forget, tomorrow night at 9, we'll be showing the full-length feature film called Phenomena 7-7, which has been updated to include some of the most fantastic UFO pictures you've ever seen. Updated to 1969, if you will. Our next speaker, who is also a member of the IEC, is Fred Kimball. Strange thing about Fred, he came into our home one day, and he was able to project... I think that's the right word. Fred, if I'm not using this right, you correct me. He looked at a cookie jar sitting on our refrigerator, and from that cookie jar, he was able to tell my wife, Bernice, things that almost curled her hair. Of course, it didn't quite work that way. But you ladies listen close, and you gentlemen listen close to what Mr. Fred Kimball has to say to us.

And here's an amazing man, my friend, Fred Kimball. I thank you, Frank Stranges, and everyone that's here.

Now, if I can't recognize all my friends here, I have a light in my eyes. First, does anyone here have an animal here? If you don't, then I'll have to find your dogs either at home or in the spirit world. First, a very short lecture, because you've come to see me demonstrate. And if you don't... Does anyone have an animal here? Good. Here's one dog. Is there any dog that I know? Do I know it? I can't see you against the light. I just want to be sure. I do not arrange to have my dogs or an FBI, as I've been accused of, fighting the dogs and finding out all about them. Once I was down in Florida, and a man down there, I was trying to demonstrate my ability, and he says, he started telling me how Dunninger did it, when they didn't have anybody. They come on in here, find out your name, who you are, run out to your car, look to see what the name is in the car, starting to find out and have all the information.

So, Peter Herkes said he had a mind like an FBI and they locked him up, so you have to be careful in this business. My actual lecture for Frank, as he says, I am a member of his group, minister, is about God and the animal world. To me, it's one world, one consciousness, one life. The same air, the same water, the same consciousness. And when we try to get off of this idea of being something different, it's much easier to communicate with the animals. The only difference is I've been able to do it with other people's animals. There are many people right in this audience that you can communicate with your own animals, and you do. And they can communicate to you. And they'll tell you sometimes by meows and sometimes just by thought, sometimes by going to the door, and sometimes they don't need to go to the door. So it isn't anything except that I've tried to carry it on a little bit further. There's no extra sense of perception in the sense that anyone doesn't have it.

So let's have an animal up here. Can you come on in, please, with your dog and see what I can get out of the dog? Or is it outside? Well, go get it, please. Suppose now I try. Someone here that has an animal that has lived with them, not three or four families, that's lived with them, and that animal has been and is at least three years old. Now, my problem is finding out the animal's age. Some count with human time and some count with animal time. And I don't know that. That's one of the things, even ESP doesn't tell you how an animal counts. Most of them can't tell you names and street numbers. So when people call me to find the animal, sometimes I can. But most of the times, when they're lost, they don't always read the street sign. And so really, the human's at fault. Who has an animal that has been with them a long time? There's one way in the back here. May I hear the name of your animal? I can only see it.

She looks like she has red hair to hand up. Would you tell me the name of the animal? Rex. She has a dog name. I have, yes, it's a dog. That's correct? Rex. Now, let's see if I can find the animal of the dog. The dog looks like it has two different colors. Now, wait until I check this to see if I have the right dog or not. I don't see it yet. I'm trying to find Rex and see. This dog, if I have the right dog, I want to find out if it's counting in human time or animal time. It says there's trouble in the back. Now, it hasn't told me yet. If you or someone in the place, I'll have to ask the dog a different question to find out who has back trouble. The dog says, I had trouble about eight months ago. Was there a change in this dog's life about eight months ago? Yes. Thank you. Let's see what the dog says. I'm trying to find out who had the back trouble. The dog says there's been a heartache in the fat. It hasn't told me, but it hasn't told me what it's about yet.

I'm trying to find the dog's picture brighter. It isn't bright enough. This dog has changed his sleeping place, or it says I had a big home and now I have a smaller home. Would that make sense? Would you know how it could have had a larger place where it slept and it's changed its place where it sleeps to a smaller place in a different room? No. You can't recognize it. I'll ask it when. The second month that it came to you is where it says it changed its sleeping time. Can you place it now? You wouldn't know. This is what I said. I wanted one that was with one family, but I'll go on with it. So how can I do it? The dog says it had a larger home and a smaller home to me. A larger place to sleep and a smaller sleep. You don't know where the place it slept the six months it was gone? The dog thought it was smaller than where your place is. Would that be true? Thank you. Let's see what else the dog has to say. The dog didn't give me the place.

I asked it how many it loves. And it said four people, but it didn't say if it was now or the past. It still says four people. There's four now. I asked the dog how many it loves. I'm going to ask it how the grub is around it. See a little bit of... The dog doesn't complain about the food, but it does not believe that your schedule is right on the clock. It says that they vary the schedule some. Is this correct? She says yes. I'd like to find out what goes on in the home. I'm going to ask the dog if it's color blind. I'm going to say what color carpets do you have? This dog isn't real bright because you didn't put it through school and teach it the colors properly. But it showed me either greenish or beige. And I couldn't quite separate because you've got two different colors between the divan and the floor carpet. Which are they? Would you tell me what colors they are? Both different colors. The carpet is beige.

And what color is the divan? Both of them. Well, isn't one a shade different from the other? I don't know if that's what's on the dog's mind. There are two. Well, thank you. I have a live dog here. I'll try to see if I can find one in the spirit world. But I want to look at this one a couple of more minutes yet. I want to get through as much as I can and as fast as I can. Whatever you would call a boy is the one that was sick.

Did you have a boy that's connected to the dog that pet the dog that had the flu or something? No. Do you have a neighbor boy right close to you that's been sick with the flu? No. And the dog knows him well? Yes. Thank you. Because I know the dog is sad. I know when they know. And I know when I don't know if I have it right. I don't always know if I'm wrong. But I know when I'm sure of it. And sometimes I'm not sure. The dog will still tell me it's mixed. Is its color mixed? Yes. It still says it's mixed. I thought it would get the answer through to me. And now this dog says, well, it didn't say it's played with. It just says, I have a lot of fun. I am assuming it's played with to have a lot of fun. Is that correct? This means to me that the dog is not restricted on the leash. It can run around. Thank you very much for your cooperation.

Here I'll try, if we can hold the dog quiet enough, to tell you what I see. Can you hold the dog quiet? First, I look at it and it shows a blue light around its nose. Now, blue around the nose, this is the colors of the aura. Blue means usually that it's really good at smelling. And the dog says yes. Now, let's see if I can find some way of proving this. Some dogs have a good nose and some don't. Oh, the dog just spoke and says someone has tooth trouble. Either you or the dog has tooth trouble. Does the dog have tooth trouble? Probably me. Probably her. The dog says there's tooth trouble here. Now, you see, dogs don't have I. I did this. I did that. I have a flat. Oh, you mean you've got a flat tire? Or the door squeaks. Oh, you mean that you say, I've got a squeaky door. You say, I've got a squeak. You mean the door is squeaking? The dogs don't use the I word. It makes it difficult. They're more as a child. We have.

Let's see what else the dog has. I'm asking a question it didn't answer instantly. I asked it about its cat and it says, I don't have any. Don't you have a cat? I don't see it. No, you do. No cat. I asked her about its cat. She said, well, she's leading me now. I'm sorry. I don't want to be critical, but I don't want a person to lead me. I'll get the answers from the animal. I'm asking a dog about another question. The dog says, there's two dogs near me, but they don't play with me. But this is not completely true. The dog did have a small, smooth haired dog that played with it at one time. Would you know when that was? There were two dogs and the daughter had them both. And there was another dog. It told me a lie in a sense that the dog isn't now present. So that's just like it's gone. They don't worry about the past like we do, hostilities and so on. How far back, about a year or two years ago, as near as I can measure,

what was in the dog's mind? Yes, the two together. Almost a year, I think. Almost a year. I couldn't tell if it was counting in human time or animal time. This dog says, now, it's not now. Wait a minute. Question. It's talking about an ear. Now, I'm saying, do you have ear trouble? Are you hard to hear? Or is there someone around you that's hard to hear? And I have to find out because it only says my ear, the ear, the ear, the ear. The ear bothers him some. Oh, the ear bothers the dog. It doesn't tell me, just says my ear, the ear, the ear, the ear. And that's all it talks about, the ear. Can you hear what she says about the ear bothers him some? I'll have to relay it on. Let's see if I can find out. I'm going to find out how smart this dog is. I don't believe I know her at all. No, I haven't seen you before. She hasn't seen me. That's one. I bet there's quite a few who have seen me on various shows, Gypsy Rose Lee, Joe Pine.

Get on Joe Pine three times and survive. You're doing good. Let's see what the dog... Oh, the dog shows red in its ear. This is the ear that shows the red on. Is that the ear that it bothers? Yes, it's right there. That's the ear that bothers. The red is in the ear. I've asked you the question now. I said, what kind of a car do you have? Is it a new car or an old car? Now, the dog is down low where it smells the exhaust. So I try to concentrate enough, if I can do it fast enough, which I'm trying to, to smell that dog, smell the gas, to tell... The dog says they've worked on it. It isn't too bad now. So I don't think she has a problem. It's a brand new car. Would that be true that the car has been worked on? We have a Ranchero that he rides in a lot. And has been worked on? Yes. Could you hear that? A 1957 Ranchero that he rides in a lot and has been worked on. Now, I'm going to ask the dog about the other dog. And the other dog says something about forbidden to scratch.

Now, which is that? The new one that is forbidden to scratch on? Well, we have a new truck and he...

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It's a new one. Yes, he doesn't scratch there. He doesn't scratch there. Let's see what the dog says about it. Let's see what the dog says about the new one. Oh boy, I got lost on that one. I tried to find out what the colors of them were and I got lost. The dog thought one was dark, but it didn't know if it was black or dark. And one looked white or light colored. And I got lost. I missed on that one. What are the colors? The Ranchero is the light one. The Ranchero is the light one. What's the other one? It's dark, sort of a blue-green. Blue-green. Now, the dog first said black and then it shook its head because it doesn't know colors well enough. It's dark. It couldn't say black. It's pretty dark. It is pretty dark. That's what she said. Now, I haven't got it hypnotized. But anyway, this is a dog that's colorblind. Yeah, that's what the people, but I don't agree. Let's see what else there. I'm going to say, how about your home?

What do you live in? An apartment or a home? I got fooled once, though. A dog kept telling me all night, I live in a long home, a long home. And I looked at that long home and down it, I have a trailer as well as a home. And that dog didn't know the word trailer. So I missed. So he couldn't say the word trailer. He just said a long home. And I've done it. But he said trailer. Let's see what it has to say. Oh, the dog doesn't answer. It just says it's a good home. I say, is the upholstery new? The dog says, I shouldn't answer. The dog's loyal. Now I know the dog loves that. He says, I shouldn't answer. So it isn't brand new. Or the dog would have answered yes. We have brand new stuff. Isn't that correct? Right. See what I mean? So let's see what the dog has. I say, how's your schedule? No, wait a minute. Let's have something better than that. Does she wake up happy, full of pep? No. What do you have to say about something better than that?

Does she wake up happy, full of pep, full of vitality? Does she like to lay in bed? Let's see what the dog has to say about it. The dog says, it all depends on what she has to program in front of her. She goes by her moods, of what's in front of her. If she has something planned, she gets up and bustles around. If she doesn't, she kind of drags. So it all depends on what's in her mind, what she does. That's how the dog describes it. That's true. She says that's true. I asked the dog if she was... This is a little bit far. but I really said, is she grouching? Does she have to have coffee to wake up? And the dog said, no. She doesn't drink coffee. Is that right? Would you wave your hand and show them that I had that correct? Yes, I don't drink coffee. She doesn't drink coffee. Now, do you see? I asked the dog. I didn't know. But it's a lot of fun. There's nothing more fun than this extra-sensitive perception. The dog is pretty smart, really.

I should say very smart, but it's terminology. Let's ask the dog another question. What I'm actually saying is, have you gone very far? Have you made any trips? To see what it would say. Some dogs don't get anywhere. And how far is far? And it's like the little girl saying, Mama, how far is a long ways? And so on. And I'm trying to find out. And it's kind of a complication. How far is far? And have you made any long trips? And what is a long? The dog says, I have made two long trips in my life. Now, I have to find out if a long trip is one mile, 10 miles, 40 miles. Near as the dog could give me, it thinks this would be 300 miles, which would be what it would call a long. Has this dog been as far as Las Vegas from here in some direction? This dog was sent from Portland, Oregon by plane. Portland, Oregon. To Los Angeles. To Los Angeles, one trip. It has one other trip somewhere. And then from Los Angeles back to Santa Barbara.

Santa Barbara, the second trip. That's only about 100 miles. And back again, it would be 200. I thought I had 300 miles here. He belongs to our daughter, so he may have been on many trips because they travel a great deal. Says her daughter has traveled. But that's the two trips that she can prove that she knows of. Yes. I know that if you cut the distance down, I miss a little bit. But the dog didn't. They don't have a speedometer. They don't take it down how far and how much gas costs. So they're not as conscious. But I think it's pretty good for the dog. I'm going to try some other people. Let me try one or two more and I'll do it. It has a name of H around. Would you know anyone, the dog would hear you using a pronunciation of H like Hazel or Helen or Harry, a name of H that the dog would hear? Or is that in the past? That would be with a daughter. It might have been in the past. It might be in the past. His name is Fang of all names.

His name is Fang. I didn't hear the dog give its name. Well, I want to thank you very much. Could I let them have your name that people might, some of your friends might like to know? Juno Neal. And the dog's name is Fang. From Santa Barbara. If anybody's Santa Barbara, ask if she saw me before. No, I had never met you. She's never met me before. So this is a strange dog. And actually, the dog is fairly smart, if I think so. You ought to give the dog a hand anyway. Thank you.

She says the dog thinks it's people. Well, I'm going to try one in this. Oh, yes, we're allowed here. Back in the back, right next to Dan Fry, who I've been with quite a few conventions, is here. And Mrs. Kilsby's here. If anybody knows her, she's gone up all the way to Seattle in the tours. So meet her. She's here. And the friends are with her. And I have my book back there, one book on extrasensory perception, which is just a textbook teaching you how to do it. And one book of 30 years of research and the beauty and the real teaching of the primitive text. Now, that's enough for the commercial. Right straight back. I'm pleased to answer. Now, who has a dog? No, I want to take a cat in this... Wait a minute. I want to try a cat in the spirit world that has been fairly old when it died and with one family. There's a lady back here that has one here. Would you mind if I have somebody that would be a total stranger to me?

I would appreciate it if you'd let me take someone. There's a lady behind with a blue. This lady... Do I know her? And if I said anything, she does know me. Do you know me? Do I know you? No. I don't know you. Have you seen me here in person before? No. Okay. Give me the name of your cat. Flintstone. Okay. Let's see if I can find Flintstone in the spirit world. You know, one time I was over here working for Merle Golan, Cosmic Star, and I hunted all over for a few million dogs, and I couldn't find that dog. And then they told me it wasn't in the spirit world. I was right there. I said, well, it's in the spirit world. It's in the spirit world. It's in the spirit world. It's in the spirit world. It's in the spirit world. It's in the spirit world. So that means this is what you get sent out looking for. Let's see if I can find Flintstone. Where's Flintstone? Oh, boy. I got mixed up. I've got two cats in your mind. You've got two in the spirit world.

One is a fluffy cat, and the other looks like a browned, oh, almost like a Siamese cat. Isn't this true? You've had two cats? Yes. Two cats. Yeah. Well, I'm seeing two different ones, and I haven't found Flintstone yet. Flintstone.

Flintstone. Fly good. I haven't found Flintstone yet. I've got two different cats in the spirit world, and I haven't got the one. The one that I have is the one that had a breakdown on someone. Let's see what kind of a breakdown? Body breakdown? Health breakdown? I don't know, it just says. She says it had a breakdown. That's the one she wants to know about. It says it had a breakdown. You see, I tell her they're the ones she wants to know about. Let's see what happened. It sounds to me like it was killed. It doesn't sound like it died of old age. Was it died of old age? It doesn't look that way. It looks like it's put to sleep. Was it? He left her at the veterinarian. I know it had a breakdown. I know it had a breakdown because it said it had a breakdown because this wasn't a voluntary starvation. To me, it looked as if it was, as I said, the first thing it says is a breakdown. Let's see what else the cat has to say.

This cat doesn't show me a whole family. It only had two people that it seemed to be partial to. Was there someone besides you that you would know the cat liked? Who was elected? Two. I know that there's two that the cat says it liked. It has an older lady. Well, pardon me. I was going to say an old woman. You're not supposed to say that. An older woman, well, an old lady that it knew. Do you know who that was? Pardon me. I didn't mean to be offensive. But anyway, the cat spoke about it says it liked to sit on, really, to lay on her lap while she did something, but I don't know if it's sewing or reading that the cat didn't say, but it said something. Is that correct?

See, in other words, the cat, I know she's doing something, but it didn't say what. Now, how could it? Everything she does, the cat comes on. So how am I going to single out? Let's see what else the cat has to say. It had an M name around. Who had an M name around there? Mary? Marie? Mark. I see. I heard an M name in the cat's mind. It still says, they're talking about liking two people. Well, no, I didn't think it liked her brother too much. Only two. Yes, yes. Oh, this cat told me a divan, but it actually showed me a picture of a chair, and I don't know if it's really leather or just brown, but it's a real, almost a leather-like, might be Naugahyde chair. Do you remember a chair like that that the cat would know? Or is this cat getting the wrong chair in the picture with me? You don't remember a chair that looks as a brown chair with armrest on it? Would you remember that? It's the first chair that you had when it first came,

not the chair that you have now. You don't recall. Well, you don't remember that other chair. I know it isn't a chair now. It's the chair you had first, because the cat has a different picture than your mind has. But you don't remember. Well, we'll skip it then. I'll ask the cat if we can get through. I'm going to ask it, what, oh, do you remember it now? Yes, that's what I said. Didn't I say a brown one? She threw it in the trash. Well, anyway, that was the one that cat was talking about. So, apparently, it had brighter memories in its first years than it did towards its last. I'm going to ask if it knew how it got sick, if it knew what caused the sickness. It says, no, it was born here. If you know the record of some of the others, it said it was born there. I tried to ask it how old it was before it left, but it didn't know how to count. It said seven. How old was it, actually? See? Yeah, I said it couldn't count right.

I know that. See what I mean? I tried to get that, and I didn't get the picture bright enough from it. Sorry. Let's try someone else here. Time is running by. I was going to try a dog somewhere on this side here. Let me see. Look, it's real easy to read for a woman. Suppose I take a man here and see about him. What have you got? Trixie. That dog's alive, isn't it? Yes, I thought it was in the world here. Let's see if I can find Trixie and find out some things about Trixie. Where's Trixie? Find Trixie. I see my mind go like that looking for Trixie. I've tried to find Trixie, and I make out if the dog says I played a lot or I play a lot, and I'm trying to find out if it's past or present. See if I can... Oh, the dog was much more active in the past than it is in the present. According to it, it says I played a lot instead of I am playing a lot because they abbreviate their words down. So the dog believes... Let's see if I can get its time sense.

I suppose it'd be last summer, though it says eight or nine months ago I had a lot of fun. So to me, this implies it's quite a change somewhere last June or back in there in the summer. What change in the dog's life was back in at that time? Would you know? The dog believes that you did, I don't know if it's spring cleaning or house cleaning or something, but something was done in changing around in the house at that time. What kind of thing was going on somewhere about eight or nine months ago? That's where the dog is talking from. Can you play? They changed the furniture. The dog thought this is quite good. All new smells. Everything is different. Which one are you going to get on with? The dog actually believes that it's a member of the family because it says it could get on all of them. I don't think that's quite true, but that's the way it says. Am I right or is the dog right? Could the dog get on anything? She says no and he says yes.

Now do you see the problem that I have with an animal? One, the dog says yes and no and she says one and the dog, he says another. Now this is a problem really to try to figure out who's telling what. It depends who he's watching. Why don't you do what? You see what I mean? We have a real smart cat and we never catch that cat jumping up on the counter by the sink to see if there's anything up there.